#Vote Now On The Future of Treasure Hunter, MTX & RuneScape

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meager vigil
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Like, proteans are bad. They DO do that

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The lamps as well

arctic coyote
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explicitly what a dart enables you to do is bypass engaging in a boss fight and skip to defeating them

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that is the mechanical effect

meager vigil
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Yes.

arctic coyote
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the possibility to do that is the problem they're taking aim at

rotund pike
tardy mauve
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you also can get the achievements still while using dtd on telos

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i think thats specifically the only unique boss for that

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ks / enr based

meager vigil
arctic coyote
tardy mauve
meager vigil
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It is.

rotund pike
tardy mauve
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the title no, the 4k kill yes

meager vigil
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The achievement gives you the title

tardy mauve
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I do wonder if it gives you the 4k achiev tho

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in particular compared to the rest that it does give

arctic coyote
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ty gambling machine >.>

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meager vigil
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Anyway, to tackle the bigger elephant:
Keep my elite outfits >:(
Had to grind so hard as an iron to get them

tardy mauve
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confirmed we are keeping them at least

meager vigil
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And thieving one is still rotting at a corner by its bad svaling of fragment drops

arctic coyote
meager vigil
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They removed it from the list?

tardy mauve
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its not on the list iirc

arctic coyote
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they never were on the list to be removed from the game

tardy mauve
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the remove from sale list they are still on

arctic coyote
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only from sale

meager vigil
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Oh

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Im dumb, nevermind then

somber bolt
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I don’t see why they have to take items away from people. Why can’t they just make them non tradable and let people use up their items at their own pace.

shy mural
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That question has been answered several times

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or statement rather

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You're also saying to make already untradeable items.. untradeable 🤔 not that that's a gotcha moment either

arctic coyote
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and, yknow, we're being given over a year for everything to be used up

shy mural
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ya'll in favour of keeping treasure hunter seriously need to actually read the information that's been clarified days ago instead of just parroting and panicking after what others who also haven't read are saying

inland plaza
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I just wish 2027 was a typo

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But sadly it wasn't

shy mural
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I'm personally fine with it, and if anything, is a bit generous

arctic coyote
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agreed

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In a way I wish it was 8/2/27 for exactly 15 years

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but 1/1 is fine

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(was it the 8th or the 12th? either way you get the point)

meager vigil
arctic coyote
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and the last thing we want is someone suing to put it back in and winning

shy mural
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Careful, someone might try to use that as a 'you got me' moment

meager vigil
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Would be a funny news headline

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"Company gets rid of predatory microtransactions, gets sued to put them back in"

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Maybe the poll doubles as legal argument

inland plaza
arctic coyote
heavy gate
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It was really funny

fathom berry
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Why would they be getting rid of master outfits? Those are obtainable even on ironmen through invention.

inland plaza
arctic coyote
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They aren't.

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RS players really aren't beating the can't read allegations

shy mural
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I can confirm, I missed a key word about the runic attuner this morning

inland plaza
shy mural
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😂

inland plaza
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Since they clearly don't read anyways 😛

fathom berry
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What news, I just read the drop down list for what they are getting rid of?

inland plaza
heavy gate
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You're reading the "will no longer be sold" list

inland plaza
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not the removed from the game list

arctic coyote
heavy gate
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not the "will be removed from the game" list

arctic coyote
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when theres a FAQ

inland plaza
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Or well. You looked at it i should say

arctic coyote
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that anyone can read

heavy gate
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^ this has everything being removed

tardy mauve
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prob not the place to sht on a nation and its people. especially here.

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we are bordering on being outright toxic to people who are just asking questions.

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it can be left alone until someone answers

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if frustrated, take a chill from this area for a day.

somber bolt
shy mural
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Neither do I

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I also play my account, did you want a medal?

lucid orbit
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imagine logging in

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smh

shy mural
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People try to 'gotcha' the most bizarre things

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The information has also been posted outside of discord

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The initial FAQ is quite literally on the rs3 home page, but go off

arctic coyote
somber bolt
# shy mural Neither do I

Well you sure seem to want to control what other people comment about. Sounds like someone with a lot of time on your hands. Not someone who actually plays the game.

somber bolt
lucid orbit
shy mural
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What are you yapping about lil bro

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I'm maxed ☠️

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Not that that's even relevant here, it's still not anyone else's problem you can't read

meager vigil
round wigeon
meager vigil
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i will get one of those novels one day!! (i won't. theres literally no way for me to get them)

neon topaz
vast turtle
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I think TH should ultimately be removed but I feel like the poll is being done in a way that's kinda scummy and pointless

neon topaz
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It's nothing more than a publicity stunt/advertising, the outcome was happening regardless

vast turtle
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big poll to get X number of yes votes apparently doable on multiple alts without a no option for the people who disagree means it's really just there as a pretense of player participation for something they'd do anyway

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the illusion of player input

inland plaza
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Reminder that the survey results already decided th was going. This wasnt a "do you want th yes or no" vote

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They never said it was

vast turtle
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if people let it slide because it's something they agree with, what happens when it's done with something they don't want?

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what was the point of the poll then?

heavy gate
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This poll did not appear out of nowhere

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its the product of an over a year long process

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that has had so many points of giving feedback and input its not even funny

vast turtle
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I'm criticiizing the poll right now, not the surveys

heavy gate
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a while it felt like there was a new survey ever y update

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yeah but the poll isn't in a vacuum

vast turtle
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I struggle to keep up with the polls

heavy gate
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did we really think that the 30th time they ask for feedback, the answer would have been different?

vast turtle
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miss an update and you just see the link after it's closed

heavy gate
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after the "please remove it" has been significantly bigger at every point

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there is no scenario where a no vote would win

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Its consistently been the minority opinion

vast turtle
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keep in mind I said that I want TH done too

heavy gate
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I just disagree with the notion its scummy

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the picture has been made clear prior to this that majority want TH gone

inland plaza
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People that want no votes don't understand what the votes are for

vast turtle
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I mean big poll decision and you don't even let people say no if they want to?

heavy gate
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This is a vote about hitting the threshold

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show the mass behind it

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Its a different type of data they've not had before

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more valuable than a repeat of what has happened a dozen times already and they got enough data on

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That, and its far better marketing and creating word of mouth

vast turtle
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might as well not even bother with it since they're going by data they already collected

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it's really just spectacle

inland plaza
heavy gate
heavy gate
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Best way to get people chatting and news spread to outside communities

inland plaza
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Which has been very effective

heavy gate
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The entire point of this is to grow the game long term

vast turtle
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eh it's not really the kind of spectacle I'm into and it reminds me the ways the RS community can feel alienating to me sometimes

heavy gate
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It hit the front page of every major (general) gaming subreddit from what I could tell

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spread on youtube

vast turtle
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still not thrilled they scrapped the forums and went all in on social media

heavy gate
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Forums are inherently an internal thing

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you can't really reach former or potential new players through forums

neon topaz
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Another day another "I'm ok with th being removed by why no no vote!!"

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So tiring, just enjoy a better game when it's gone

heavy gate
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I think jmods can explain it fine for why the vote is held the way it is

vast turtle
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having a forum doesn't mean you can't have social media

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people have private fan/game communities even when there's an official platform

heavy gate
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I do get why forums were taken down, even though I remember them from back in the day

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by the time they were taken down

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it had single digit visitors at any point in time

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People had almost entirely ceased using them by the time of their death

vast turtle
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the Rs forum was on code they couldn't update anymore but for some reason instead of actually saying that they brushed aside the people who were still using it claiming the long broken activity count proved no one was using it

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despite it's problems I found it pretty chill and with interesting people

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also because it was official you just used your RS account instead of having to make a new account on some third party site that's probably scraping your data for AI now

heavy gate
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Oh don't worry, AI is scraping all the internet so if forums were up they'd scrape everything there too

vast turtle
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and really it was pretty clear more people would be using it if it weren't for the lack of support like mods being more accessible elsewhere, outdated rules and features letting trolls run rampant because the Fmods couldn't ban them

heavy gate
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ever the chase for more data

vast turtle
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yeah but it's the platforms themselves scraping the data

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with legalese in the terms and service for the account

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on top of any scrapers visiting the site

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anyway the forums weren't active on the levels they used to be, but there were still a sizable number of people using them

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a bunch of people popped in to talk about how they'd check various threads without logging in for help on things

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when they heard they'd lose that

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lots of people upset about the whole thing and multiple people archived some of it

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but basically my point is that forums can exist alongside whatever third party stuff people want to set up

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and it'd be worth making an updated platform with longterm upkeep in mind so we won't have to deal with stuff getting scrapped from lack of support again

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that's basically what happened to RS classic

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it could even be part of updating the site for better navigation of news and stuff

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somewhere you can look up the streams and a summary of them if you don't have the time to sit in on them

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fan art section

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do you have to go through all the update pages to get all the fan art showcases?

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is there even a point to the photo booths anymore?

gray fable
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Assuming 10 million active accounts based on 2013 figures, 100k votes would correspond to a 1% approval. So this whole "vote" is pretty much just for show.

arctic coyote
vast turtle
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you know that's not exactly reassuring

arctic coyote
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by actual modern numbers, ~225k accounts active this year to the point of highscore tracked xp gains

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we're >50%

vast turtle
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that kind of spectacle just doesn't seem like a good precedent

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was there not some other way to get their community engagement than putting up an ultimately unnecessary petition vote?

arctic coyote
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You mean the 49 polls and surveys over the last two years that consistently overwhelmingly said delete TH?

vast turtle
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1% of the player base and it's somehow data they need to get that's better than the surveys?

arctic coyote
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You mean the Experiments that overwhelmingly said delete TH?

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Not 1%.

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Thats a dishonest number.

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50%.

gray fable
vast turtle
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I'm talking about the big vote poll, not all the survey data showing the players want to remove TH, myself included

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I don't value the spectacle people keep insisting makes it an important and necessary thing

arctic coyote
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give or take 5-10k for max xp and below hs level

vast turtle
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and it's not reassuring to me that spectacle is its own justification

neon topaz
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Your right, they shouldn't have done anything and just removed it instantly alongside deleting everything immediately. However, we now have to wait in this weird limbo where they'll still try to milk all the people who can't stop swiping.

arctic coyote
gray fable
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I imagine a lot of people might have just logged in, played for a short time, and then quit after deciding RS wasn't for them. So the actual number of accounts that accessed the game is probably much higher than the number tracked on the high scores.

vast turtle
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yes and we could've just had a stat breakdown of that or something instead of a meaningless poll

arctic coyote
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its why I mentioned max xp and below hs level as exceptions

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bc those can't be tracked by hs

vast turtle
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why is spectacle enough of a reason to make a poll for just X number of yes when the previous data is far more reflective of the overall players' opinions nos included?

arctic coyote
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the breakdown of the single most responded to survey in the game's history that had >3/4 in favour of nuking TH?

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That breakdown?

vast turtle
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I'm saying that the poll was unnecessary and I don't like some of the reasoning people are giving for it

arctic coyote
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Ok. 👍

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Good for you.

vast turtle
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since stat breakdowns are far more valuable and representative of that kind of thing

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when done right anyway

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I still have some problems with how the death costs rework was done

arctic coyote
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Combined with the written responses, we felt the questions asking players to agree or disagree with a series of statements really reinforced that – although there is some impact to players – reducing MTX is the right direction to be considering:

76% felt the changes show RuneScape is headed in a positive direction
heavy gate
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According to Jagex' financials, there are 1.3m subscribers for RS3 and OSRS combined

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Thats latest 2024

neon topaz
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The only thing jagex did wrong in this whole ordeal is waiting so long to actually remove it all from the game, no grace period, nuke it all

heavy gate
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of these, majority are OSRS

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Roughly 250k accounts get 1k xp on RS3 on a monthly basis

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Unironically this poll could very well get more yes votes in 2 weeks

arctic coyote
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*yearly, no, with runepixels tracking less than that this year?

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though I guess that wouldn't cover f2p

heavy gate
vast turtle
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I mean you kinda need a grace period so people who care about those items don't feel cheated out of their value

heavy gate
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I trust Jagex' number over some third party

arctic coyote
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fair enough

vast turtle
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I've got like 100K oddments to burn

arctic coyote
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I'm less familiar with the official numbers

vast turtle
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because I oddment most of the stuff I get from using up my free keys

arctic coyote
heavy gate
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Here is august, for example

neon topaz
vast turtle
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are oddments going to turn into coins or go away completely?

heavy gate
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Last 2 months have been 233k but then again, 20k people just playing only leagues and not main game is kinda to be expected

arctic coyote
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unclear, likely to be thanos snapped along with proteans

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theres been talk of a conversion of some items

heavy gate
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They will go away completely (idk if they will be converted) then

vast turtle
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I don't buy proteans but that's the only time I really use them

neon topaz
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I've not once seen that sentiment, I've constantly seen "what about my 10 years of stuff I've not used at all"

heavy gate
vast turtle
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so non elite skilling outfits were on the get rid of list or what?

neon topaz
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No

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Oh

arctic coyote
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and assuming zero overlap is foolish

neon topaz
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Non elite

fervent bloom
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didn't they remove f2p ability to be in high scores?

heavy gate
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Given that you do need an account to vote on the removal poll

arctic coyote
heavy gate
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100k is no small feat for RS3 to hit

vast turtle
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because I don't recall those being on TH

arctic coyote
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They were originally

neon topaz
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Dxp shop

arctic coyote
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in the old old says

vast turtle
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got a couple pieces of elite outfits on there

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or wait I think I did get some non elite pieces on there

heavy gate
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last weekly hiscore had ths many accounts playing rs3 and getting 1k xp

vast turtle
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fletchers?

arctic coyote
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the skilling outfits started as TH promos

heavy gate
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(again, league not included in this)

arctic coyote
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They're staying just committing to no real world purchase for skilling outfits

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which is clarified in the FAQ

heavy gate
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so almost 122k yes signatures (need an account to vote yes)

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in same period of time 154k people played rs3

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is not a small feat

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That said, we definitely had former RS3 players chipping in, whether they're playing OSRS or quit entirely

vast turtle
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gonna say way way back with the wheel they were dumping so much event/MTX stuff in my inventory I actually stopped playing for a while

heavy gate
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but thats good anyways, if they're interested enough to vote they may be interested enough to return

fervent bloom
heavy gate
arctic coyote
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I also thought they had

heavy gate
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you will dissapear from perma hiscores if you're BOTH

  • f2p
  • inactive for 3 months
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Though to my knowledge you'll stay on seasonal hiscore

arctic coyote
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so yes they did remove f2p

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?

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or thats an AND

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not an OR

heavy gate
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thats an and

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edited to make it more clear

arctic coyote
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its fine we're used to misleading tooltips lmao

heavy gate
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these time limited hiscores you stay on IIRC anyways

fervent bloom
heavy gate
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I started paying attention to monthly hiscores around Hero Pass release

That thing lost almost a fifth of the playerbase on hiscores in like 2 months

arctic coyote
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hero pass really was the straw that broke the camel's back

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without it I don't think we'd've gotten this

heavy gate
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No coincidence this process started like, half a year after Hero Pass was deleted

vast turtle
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I still remember how they scaled it for ridiculous playtimes

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forgetting that some people skew the average

heavy gate
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I'm one of the people who quit from it. Only started playing again when they started these MTX experiments.

tender kettle
arctic coyote
fervent bloom
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uh?

arctic coyote
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HP taking TH into a shallow grave with it is amusing

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But I’m not giving it praise for being so bad it killed the gambling

heavy gate
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HP being such a shit system it sent yak track, treasure hunter to the grave alongside it

worthy totem
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so sad too because it was genuinely a massive improvement on yak track and dailies, just had those gameplay rewards ruining it

fervent bloom
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for argument sake and for understanding, what makes hero pass any different than the season pass stuff from like Fortnite, Destiny, CoD, etc other than its bad?

arctic coyote
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You’re comparing piles of shit either way

fervent bloom
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unless i'm missing something, the FPS/TPS games had no complaints iirc

arctic coyote
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It’s not really a coincidence that D2 is nearing the chopping block and CoD is losing the battlefield

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Oh man no destiny players hated the season passes

worthy totem
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in the case of destiny that's not really because of its "battle pass"

arctic coyote
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But it had bigger issues

worthy totem
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it has giant problems aside from that

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just recently destiny added a way to get old battle pass stuff as well, pretty good

fervent bloom
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D2 DEFINITELY had major issues outside season pass for sure

arctic coyote
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TFS timegating the season pass really pissed off those I knew

worthy totem
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i can agree with that

arctic coyote
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But the power grind sandbox and shitty repetitive formulaic content were bigger issues

worthy totem
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but it was really just a perception thing

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whether they released an entirely different 50 rank pass on act releases or 50 additional ranks on the base pass doesn't really matter

fervent bloom
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so if there were complaints on the other games i 10^googol % am missing something

worthy totem
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the mistake was having it visible in game while being unobtainable

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at that point you're just dangling goodies in peoples faces

arctic coyote
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Eh, we went from you could go as high as you wanted whenever to fuck you stay at one level and bounty prep or grind three times a season instead of once

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But game was fun

worthy totem
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if they dont sort their shit with renegades, they really don't stand a chance

arctic coyote
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Forkknife won’t go anywhere any time soon too much momentum with the kids

arctic coyote
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Most of my friends left

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Three times they’ve wrecked the game it’s not being given a fourth chance

worthy totem
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you could say that about runescape too

fervent bloom
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what does tfs stand for again? web giving me inaccurate results

worthy totem
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free trade, eoc, hero pass

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this is our fourth chance

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atleast

vast turtle
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runescape is older

worthy totem
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gotta stay optimistic about the things you enjoy

vast turtle
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isn't it one of the oldest MMORPGs?

cold elm
arctic coyote
fervent bloom
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oh

arctic coyote
vast turtle
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sending people off into the void or harassing them with fairy choir before they made a ban system

cold elm
vast turtle
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that time there was a whole game area dedicated to executing bots

arctic coyote
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Oh not actually even top 5

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u/Fliksan avatar
Fliksan
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2y ago
Meridian 59 - 1996

Tibia - 1997

Ultima Online - 1997

Lineage 1 - 1998 (although not running in NA anymore)

Everquest - 1999

vast turtle
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all the different layers of content from different eras of the game you find in stuff like quests

worthy totem
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its probably 6th or 7th

fervent bloom
arctic coyote
worthy totem
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would you call osrs part of the eoc aftermath

arctic coyote
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Yeah

worthy totem
arctic coyote
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The development lag this time round is just 18 months instead of 6

neon topaz
worthy totem
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it was kinda 18 months the first time too

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if you consider legacy mode the actual response to eoc

arctic coyote
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Fair

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Though I don’t really

heavy gate
arctic coyote
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I’d consider revo the real fix

fervent bloom
neon topaz
fervent bloom
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revo saved eoc, for me at least

worthy totem
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it didn't for me, not initially

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took another few years of ironing it out

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remember momentum

fervent bloom
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i couldn't play when eoc came out. my movements, reflexes and lack of motor skills really hindered it for me

vast turtle
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the abilities are better but it's still a style I struggle with and all the combat gimmicks are annoying

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feels like I have to study a guide just to fight something with decent drops

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and then submit to RNG hell

arctic coyote
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All drop RNG is hell

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I quite like revo now especially since I can’t keep up with full manual

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I’ve been debating selling my first Necromancer for a FSOA but I’d just end up regretting it >.>

sharp mica
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Super late to the DTD discussion, but they've definitely saved me on my HCIM. DC on Telos, came back with RoD procced. Used darts to skip p4. I actually think that they hold an interesting place for skipping a quest boss or two per account, but they should be exceedingly rare.

rose solar
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Darts saving you doesnt mean they are good though. Quite the contrary. The fact that you can skip parts of bosses at all is bad. Its just a symptom of the problem of hardcore being bad in rs (i say this as a hc)

neon topaz
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Hc already has multiple lives, I'm surprised they can't use TH

rose solar
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Multiple lives was kind of necessary

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With server instability

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But a proper dc save would be ideal and remove them.

frozen pawn
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yeah, no. we aren't doing that sort of feedback in this thread. you can post feedback and keep it civil and constructive

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but we aren't going to have you tagging jmods with attacks like that

woven gale
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do i care ?

frozen pawn
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you should since if you do it again, you will be timed out

woven gale
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go aheaed 🙂

frozen pawn
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alrighty. see you in 24 hours

tender kettle
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Are the results of the previous 20-something past surveys concerning MTX publicly available? I’m currently researching for a paper and I’m interested in seeing the raw data.

frozen pawn
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probably the closest thing you will get #game-news message

rose solar
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gees, i thought you were talking to me then

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was like, thats a little extreme for off topic xD

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but yeah, deleted post

heavy gate
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So this is the first jmod attack I've actually seen in this convo

rose solar
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maybe better people dont know what it was tbh

heavy gate
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These ones come to mind

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"86% of those who BUY microtransactions are unhappy with Treasure Hunter" is a pretty damning figure for TH

rose solar
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yeah, maybe there needs to be a sticky somewhere that can be referred to that keeps all this sort of information all in one place, without bloat

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officially.

frozen pawn
prime pivot
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so question I read the removal list lucky items are all going away?

hybrid dragon
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Looks like it

prime pivot
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aw man that's sad 🙁

hybrid dragon
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Makes sense, hopefully they're made cosmetic but I'm not attached to any lucky items in the bank

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You can't augment them and you can get the actual armor (or better) on the GE for relatively cheap

prime pivot
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yea lol I just like having em but oh well

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I'm wondering if premier membership price will go up or lower due to the changes happening I'm waiting to see what they do before getting it

hybrid dragon
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It's generally been weird to me that lucky equipment existed at all

shy mural
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There's been a lot of assumption and doomposting around "everyone wanting th gone means membership will go up"

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Despite the devs clearly stating they are willing to take the short term loss

hybrid dragon
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CEO

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Specifically

shy mural
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close enough, you get what I mean

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Fortunately only 6 days left til we have more information already

hybrid dragon
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I think pointing out that specifically the head of the company has said it, and not someone like a senior dev or a community team member, said it makes the point more poignant, because it shows buy in from the absolute top

shy mural
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yeah

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I'm juggling a few things atm, otherwise I would've clarified 😛

prime pivot
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I just want the 120 thieving update already lmao

hybrid dragon
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Already have 120 thieving so ahead of the curve. Will be cool to hopefully have new methods to go for 200m with tho.

last viper
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prices cant go higher honestly, every other major mmo charges basically the same price, trying to charge more tends to be less effective

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so until the rest of the other games start to go up, runescape is pretty safe for any price hikes the most I see is another dollar

rotund pike
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I’ve never understood the complain with the price for premium or the subscription cost. I can easily milk 1 hour/ dollar spent on this game. That’s HUGE for $ cost/time sunk. Easily some of the cheapest entertainment you can buy.

tardy mauve
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some pay instead of farming for gp to buy bonds. increased price is a normal complaint in all things tbh.

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I support jagex so I buy my prem even tho I can buy 2 years using bonds rn.

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to each their own 🤷

stuck elbow
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Bonds probably net them more money than paid premier

odd lichen
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At scale I doubt it, on an individual basis they mathematically do.

arctic coyote
stuck elbow
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Whenever I feel like it

arctic coyote
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even more importantly, they kick goldsellers in the teeth

stuck elbow
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No billing or why is the card rejecting it or why is members on wrong account

tardy mauve
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when my bank doesnt care but ive gotten an email from jagex checking on me about my purchases

stuck elbow
tardy mauve
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MORE

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(Im pretty sure it was over bonds actually)

stuck elbow
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Oh lol

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You want more banks?

tardy mauve
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actually yes

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more bank pls

stuck elbow
tardy mauve
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L0L

stuck elbow
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The bank wants to give you keys

tardy mauve
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high yield savings would probably be good for me ngl

tardy mauve
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these didnt come into existence on their own leaf me alone

stuck elbow
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Rip bank space

tardy mauve
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im actually gonna have to de augment a shield before its removed

stuck elbow
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You can augment th items?

tardy mauve
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some yes

stuck elbow
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😮

tardy mauve
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well let me confirm, im pretty sure you can.

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im logging in to check my bank

stuck elbow
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GL

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I didn’t think it was doable lol

tardy mauve
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nvm I genuinely thought I augmented it

stuck elbow
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Ah well

tardy mauve
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at least ill still have my golden armor

stuck elbow
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Pretty

neon topaz
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Why wasn't there a no vote in this poll? Do they not care about us players who spend so much money on keys?

tardy mauve
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werent you here already?

tardy mauve
shy mural
neon topaz
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Stir the pot?

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Having concerns is now stirring the pot?

tardy mauve
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asking it multiple times to stir up arguments. youve been given the official answer

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its weird to come back and ask for it multiple times

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there shouldnt be a concern. TH is being removed. the vote wasnt a poll.

shy mural
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The joke is that he's been taking a jab at the illiterate TH supporters

tardy mauve
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mtx is staying overall, mtx items are being removed

shy mural
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😛

tardy mauve
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me or him?

shy mural
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RO

tardy mauve
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cause its just toxic if hes doing that for the sake of argument or mocking people.

shy mural
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Given the frequency of them coming in here before actually reading the pins, the rs3 home page etc

worthy totem
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lets not dogpile somebody simply because they're asking repeat questions, point them to the FAQ and move on

shy mural
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Oh that's not what I meant

neon topaz
shy mural
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RO was cracking a joke at the people who DO rage in here before reading is what I was trying to say

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😅

tardy mauve
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static is saying ro is trolling, im saying thats toxic.

neon topaz
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Why can we react to messages in some places but not all places

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So strange

worthy totem
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reactions are not necessary for discussion in here

neon topaz
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Thats fair

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So they do get manually turned off in certain areas?

frozen pawn
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Via the channel perms, yes

cold elm
worthy totem
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which one's that

cold elm
prime pivot
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why was there not a no boat option? do they not care about people not wanting sailing??

shy stream
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:kek:

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Oh, forgot, no emojis lol

prime pivot
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😭

neon topaz
last viper
wintry sequoia
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so truthfully its statements like this that shouldn't of been existent though.

Sure you don't like a skill? sure don't do it then.
Maxed isn't something that should be handed out to everyone, it should be appropriately be earned, however we've had years of accepting this as a new normal and it never should of been the case.

weary lava
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Exactly. I've been playing for 18 years. Once or twice in that whole time, I may have bought something (besides membership), but only literally once or twice. But stealing the things I got with my membership ticks me off. Haven't logged in since the vote hit 100,000, and cancelled my membership auto renew. I'm outta here. May come back for a second Leagues, but that would be it. (Assuming I hear about it on time.)

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Yup. I guess there's no way to please us all. Just have to see if they gain more members than they lose.

arctic coyote
toxic wasp
wintry sequoia
# toxic wasp That's not up to you to decide. I think it's a pretty good statement. I'm also o...

okay theres a difference between doesn't have time to play; and choosing to skip a skill entirely by choosing to not play.

I absolutely feel for those who don't have time to contribute, however bonus experience being available I think is more then sufficent for that; its not like you need to be level 99 in 1 day.
having bonus experience is a 50% increase, reaching level 99 with bonus experience isn't super long.

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Bonus Experience helps aid players streamline to obtaining XP at an excellerated rate;
Lamps completely bypass and obtain the XP instantly.

rose solar
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just letting people skip things they dont like, because they feel they deserve it is just.. counter intuitive to the game, as a grinding/achievement based game

worthy totem
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It is very unfortunate that the game has been in a state that indicates it is okay to make progress without playing the game for so long that it has muddled the perception of so many to think that status quo is healthy or acceptable

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playing the game to progress in the game is fundamental to the game

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Now i don't claim to be the arbiter of what constitutes as playing the game, but logging in for daily challenges and keys and nothing else is clearly not even close to being within any reasonable definition of it

neon topaz
toxic wasp
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You know, life happens. Most games require either more time or input or aren't even available on a mobile platform. I've been playing this game since 2003 on and off like most players.

neon topaz
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I agree life happens, but you (or others) not having the time does not make lamps existing a good thing

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lamps, proteans, dummies, anything

rose solar
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yeah, life happens, but like.. just because you dont have time, doesnt mean you should automatically progress without palying the game. its why its so weird people want pay to skip

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its like you're just doing it to get some sort of bragging rights for 'keeping up' or something

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you want to skip the grind, but the game IS the grind.

toxic wasp
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I'm not paying for keys or any progression for that matter, my lamps came from free TH and dailies and they were sufficient for my gameplay. I agree that it is rediculous that you can get 200m xp without any effort if you just pay.

rose solar
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i dont think it really matters how you get them.

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they are allowing you to skip other gameplay by not playing, or just over time. how is that good? you can absolutely argue the gameplay isnt good (agility), but that doesnt mean it should be skipped. it should be improved.

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a good thought might be, lets apply that bonus automatically instead of clicking that lamp. now someone can just pay memberships and hitting max all is inevitable, its just going to take time. does that sound good?

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
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Its not gate keeping.
there is no reason someone needs to completely max in 1 day.

prime pivot
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just keeping things the same won't help change these things

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we're not saying someone needs to max in 1 day

wintry sequoia
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Lamps just outright aren't nessessary to be purchasable.

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well lamps open that gateway.

prime pivot
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they're already getting rid of it

wintry sequoia
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Bonus XP is more then sufficent.

prime pivot
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it's just not yet of course

wintry sequoia
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well the arguement you were adding to towards is that Bonus XP is gate keeping 😂

prime pivot
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what I'm saying is if someone has to spend months to 99 a skill that isn't very ideal for the average player

stuck elbow
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Should remove bonus experience too

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And lower stat requirements for content

prime pivot
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revamping the xp rate is what they need to do

wintry sequoia
# stuck elbow Should remove bonus experience too

I'd normally agree; but tbh the only reason I am not opposed is the fact it still requires the players to at least contribute, participate and play the game still.
be that it skips majority of the skill still, I am not as opposed for those reasons mentioned.

wintry sequoia
prime pivot
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yes faster

wintry sequoia
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slower sure

prime pivot
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no

wintry sequoia
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but its fast enough.

prime pivot
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if you make it slower ain;'t nobody gonna play

stuck elbow
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Slower

prime pivot
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it isn't fast in standards to modern games

stuck elbow
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Since when is skilling fun anyways?

prime pivot
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why do you think people skip out on trying the game?

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it's because of the huge grind

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in the beginning

stuck elbow
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People should be able to have fun without 99/120 everything

round wigeon
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OSRS skills are multitudes slower than ours

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
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Yeah if ive checked its roughly 7x faster on RS3 for specific tiers.

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I admit tho some tiers need some tweaks and changes in specific skills though on lower end

prime pivot
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I'm just saying normal people who never played runescape will think it's slow

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you and I are okay with this because we can handle the grind

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the average person will not bother to do that

round wigeon
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based on what? Do you have a source other than "trust me"?

wintry sequoia
prime pivot
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yeah but some MMOs don't torture you with grinding a skill for like 3-4 months

wintry sequoia
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3-4 months

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can you link what skill?

prime pivot
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like take lost ark for example

wintry sequoia
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never had one take me longer then 1.2 months WITHOUT Bonus XP on ironman

prime pivot
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it is grindy but you don't feel like you're grinding because you're also progressing to new things when you level up

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and it's more engaging

wintry sequoia
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i agree with more engaging in many skills

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but not faster.

prime pivot
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we need more engaging atleast if not fast exp

wintry sequoia
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its genuinely too fast already.

prime pivot
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to us it is

stuck elbow
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I had fun on my retired pker with necromancy until I hit the darkness quest, which required 86 arch or dung or something horrible like that

prime pivot
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I've tried to convince alot of my friends to play

stuck elbow
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If there’s a problem with skills, it’s gatekeeping stuff like quests behind it

prime pivot
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oh man don't get me started with questing lol

wintry sequoia
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you know the main thing I find that actually doesn't maintain player retention;

Is the lack of actual guiding players to learn Abilities/Layout.
Its too confusing and the game doesn't teach these aspects. They just need to depend on Playerbase to teach them. Which ill be honest our Playerbase for teaching is one of the absolute worst ive encountered.

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
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many players don't know why you do specific things, but instead just know this is what is done

stuck elbow
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It used to be great because you had the freedom to train (or not) any and all skills you wanted, but rarely were you forced to to access content

prime pivot
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I agree early game content sucks lol

wintry sequoia
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and they also don't know alternative methods to dealing with mechanics in bosses either.

stuck elbow
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Early game is fun

wintry sequoia
#

however to my understanding Mod Ryan is tackling this.

stuck elbow
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Theiving requirement for unlocks/quests was terrible

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And invention perks

prime pivot
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the capers are a pain in ass lol

stuck elbow
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Such a headache

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Lol

prime pivot
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specially that stupid fragment 1

wintry sequoia
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fragment wasn't so bad tbh.

stuck elbow
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I must have repressed those memories

prime pivot
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lmao I look back at my quest list and I'm like

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wait when did I do this quest lmao

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
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but yes; when we compare Runescape to any other MMO;
We are extremely different identity wise and its hard to provide an appropriate game genre for RuneScape these days.

Over the years, Runescape has been battling with what its identity should be and thats a core issue in itself.

prime pivot
shy mural
wintry sequoia
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but imo, remaining with the MMO genre should be a must; I agree with being more engaging rather then AFK.
but the XP rates the only way I can support a tweaking is having much of it brought down to where it should of been initially.

shy mural
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Definitely can confirm the UI guidance needs to be addressed

wintry sequoia
prime pivot
abstract root
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And what tutorials exist tend to be rather bare

prime pivot
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and they're still like nahhh man lol

wintry sequoia
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however Ive taught a few WoW players, and many of them prefer and like our Combat and Layout.
the primary thing they dislike is how much it lacks teaching it.

shy mural
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That too, I've not had anyone actually teach me about broad OR niche ability interaction

abstract root
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Tbh when necro came out, I felt like that’s how EoC was meant to function

prime pivot
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rs wiki was my teacher

shy mural
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It genuinely sucks

prime pivot
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I used it for literally everything

abstract root
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It do be a wiki heavy game

shy mural
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Fortunately now though, I'm already starting to learn fsoa rotations for magic 😄

prime pivot
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and if something doesn;'t make sense on the guide

shy mural
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And I started with basically nothing in january

prime pivot
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I usually ask ppl

wintry sequoia
shy mural
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Exactly

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I also came from osrs too if that's semi-relevant

wintry sequoia
shy mural
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I wanted to experience rs3 pvm for myself and honestly, I quite like it so far

wintry sequoia
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Necro is also missing a ton of features the other combat styles offer.

prime pivot
shy mural
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Legit, rs3 zuk is way more fun than osrs inferno

abstract root
shy mural
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I've already got my 4 capes nodders

prime pivot
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nice I barely got my first 1 I sucked at bossing but I've been improving by practice and dying lol

wintry sequoia
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couldn't agree more in regards to PvM i find Rs3 is superior; in regards to Game Integrity, Skilling, Questing, and various other portions of the game is superior on OSRS

shy mural
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But yea, just wanted to throw my 2 cents in on a few things

abstract root
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I think the experience can be used for other styles, not exactly like how it is for necro tho

round wigeon
wintry sequoia
prime pivot
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I wonder when 120 range will be a thing

abstract root
prime pivot
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can't wait to go back to range if they do update the other skills

wintry sequoia
shy mural
abstract root
prime pivot
shy mural
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I didn't even plank to pizza time, but because I forgot where my defensives were on action bars due to having rearranged them at the time

prime pivot
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it's such a nice feeling lol

shy mural
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So my muscle memory was off

round wigeon
#

some WIP screenshots

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
abstract root
# round wigeon

Damn removal of the crater, too. I also felt like they could’ve kept it but did a better job at naturalizing it into the world. Tbh I love seeing the swamp feel more like a swamp again.

wintry sequoia
prime pivot
abstract root
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I think it would’ve been cool to repurpose the nexus as a lower level skilling boss and moving it underground

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
prime pivot
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lmaoo

wintry sequoia
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the primary issue with Necromancy; and weird as it is;
Its a 120 Combat Skill competing vs Level 99 Skills, and cannot out perform in any area.

wintry sequoia
prime pivot
wintry sequoia
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eh tbf I cosmetically override the armors anyways.

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the only armor I like and wish i could dye was Vestments.
had a lot of potential there.

prime pivot
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I think if they reworked the helmet and covered our faces it would look cooler lol

wintry sequoia
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Omni Guard also kinda looks like ass too though.

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and weirdly got a purple color added in; which was an odd choice

shy mural
prime pivot
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this is what I was referring to btw someone on reddit made this

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shy mural
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me trying to actually see omni guard

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(the joke is you can barely see it when worn)

wintry sequoia
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man someone at Jagex hire the artist.

prime pivot
#

fr lol this looks really good

shy mural
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tbh I actually like the way deathwarden and dealer look over TFN

prime pivot
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yeah death armor looks way better lol

lucid orbit
#

on the above, I think it's unambiguously true and doesn't need proving that modern RS3 is much slower still than most games on the market when considering gaming generally - but that doesn't mean it's too slow for its target audience. I'm certainly of the view that RS3 is too fast at base rates at the moment.

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oh there's been shitloads of messages since that convo

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lol

shy mural
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I'm inclined to agree

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People do genuinely believe the game is the same as if the gower brothers were still in charge

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Not saying anyone here is acting like that ofc

prime pivot
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there's osrs lmao

shy mural
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LOOOL

prime pivot
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EOC is never going away

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lmaooo

shy mural
#

Let me pull up a quote from an old friend of mine

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One moment

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The zeitgeist of what RS3 is to OSRS players is stuck at what it was when EoC dropped

stuck elbow
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They could improve legacy mode so it’s close to eoc

prime pivot
#

they still think EOC is bad lol

shy mural
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Basically it translates to them still thinking eoc is EXACTLY how it was in 2012 when it launched

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And hasn't improved at all in its own way for what it is

stuck elbow
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I am bad at EoC lol

shy mural
#

I mean, I'm still bad at it too imo

prime pivot
#

same lol

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but it's still doable

shy mural
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Everyone learns at their own pace

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But it's not unplayable like a lot of people want to believe

prime pivot
#

I'd take keybinding prayer flicks over having to use the f buttons to get to my prayer tab tbh

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osrs is fun but I just can't do that type of combat anymore lol nor do I want to start over on the grind

shy mural
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To be fair, F keys for osrs works for what it is

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I say this as somebody who's completed up to the elite tier combat achievements on there

wintry sequoia
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I admit; I love EOC and truthfully I think if the game appropriately taught EOC its one of its best attributes currently.

shy mural
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100% agree

wintry sequoia
#

however during the release of EOC it had major issues and was also pushed on the playerbase with no appropriate way of understanding it during its time period, and was a bad move for the time.

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I think many players are still in that time period when making those comments, and just refuse to learn or adjust.

shy mural
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Yeeaaa the beta was a thing of all time when I played it back in the day

tardy mauve
stuck elbow
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I hate manual mode

wintry sequoia
tardy mauve
wintry sequoia
tardy mauve
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Like lets take for example the hour or so of 900 keys. Do that 24 more times. From lvl 1 to 99 per skill. It doesnt get you to a 99.

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No, you are not maxing in a literal 24 hour period off Keying

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Im sure you could spam keys but you actually lose targeted bxp/lamps so it would take even longer

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Also the game stutters key spam ironically.

stuck elbow
tardy mauve
#

Better argument to say it shouldnt be a possibility to key in the name of skipping

wintry sequoia
#

okay I should clarify; Not directly maxing the entire account in 1 day.
but there definately has been people who have maxed a skill in 1 day.

additionally there are several maxed accounts that were testing the rates of specific treasure hunter promotions over time however I do not know exactly how long it taken these players directly; but I presume its less then 1 month.

which is still absolutely ridiculous. even obtaining 1-99 in a day is horrendous. It skips majority of the game by doing this with skills.

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after doing a quick search it appears youtuber A Friend achieved max in 3 days.

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which was on less overpowered Promotions, so current type lamps are easier.

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as 10 Years ago I don't recall the Phoenix Lamp promotion, I believe we had the lamps, but not guarenteed to get it as rapidly as we can now with spending both XP and BXP per lamp.

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also amongst this quick search you can see its been achieved by a few players, be it not directly within 24 hour period; its definately a 2-3 day adventure for those accounts apparently. (This is before Archeology, Necromancy for all results I've found)

tardy mauve
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I was just saying rough example for 24 hours. Its also true that the vast majority of mtxers arent doing a 3 day max. Thats roughly 15k usd. Its unrealistic even if its a concern due to the couple of people doing it.

wintry sequoia
tardy mauve
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Also more skills now compared to then. It would cost more :kekw:

last viper
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there wasnt as many promotions back then though, you can do it on rainbow or one with a mulitpler and do it faster

wintry sequoia
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It would; but this shouldn't of been possible is what I am referencing.
Theres so much of the game being skipped by supporting this style of gameplay.

and I am not saying those who have less time should quit or be hindered.
I think BXP is fine to sell as its not nearly as bad.

wintry sequoia
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which is why I still to this moment believe its possible to within 24-48 hours. however I never tested.

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I should also clarify i personally rate max at 99 all, not 120 primarily because that is when you obtain the Max cape, however True Max in my opinion is where skills max out entirely; such as your 110s, 120s

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the hilarious part is his name being "not p2w" is hilarious imo

prime pivot
#

so when well of integrity

tardy mauve
#

Well of what? What idea are you creating?

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
#

I read it and i don't recall Well of Integrity mentioned; but Ill double check now.

prime pivot
#

it's not confirmed but they mentioned it

heavy gate
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I hope that if it is a sink, its far lower payout than using the items normally

tardy mauve
prime pivot
wintry sequoia
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ohhh touche.
Its not going to occur till atleast after the 12th, however even with 12th we're likely to not see this right away as Items are supposed to be possible to use until January 1st 2027

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the 12th is when we start getting details more indepth

prime pivot
#

they could be doing something entirely diff tho

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like I said it's just something they kinda threw in the article

wintry sequoia
#

it sounds like a reference to the well of goodwill similarity not nessessarily a well being added.

prime pivot
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I was mentioning they should do a black hole sort of deal to dump the items in and then they said something about a well lol

wintry sequoia
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which tbf; as long as they provide a way to sink these items out of the game, I see no reason to physically add a well permenately.

prime pivot
#

I think it'll be a temporary well

heavy gate
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I worry about what would be the payout of said well

tardy mauve
#

but it would be cool to see something like that from jagex

heavy gate
#

I see so many ways it could go wrong

prime pivot
wintry sequoia
#

I do however think a Statue should be added to the game showing the votes; I get its more of a PR act towards the removal of TH, but still would be cool to have the Statue added with examine text of how many people voted.

tardy mauve
heavy gate
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Eh, as someone that is super hyped about the votes, I don't want a statue ingame

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I want to wash my hands with the system and never see it mentioned in any way ingame again

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Definitely no interest in a permanent addition

prime pivot
tardy mauve
#

you sure are to inflame with things said like that

heavy gate
#

Also idk why you guys are picking on slim, the article is the big article this weeks that was details on MTX removal

prime pivot
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nah

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you took it the wrong way

tardy mauve
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I took it exactly as you did it

heavy gate
#

its like, the one big info thing after vote started

wintry sequoia
#

It could be incorperated into an Official Mimic Arena tbh; as lets be realistic; Mimic was orgined around TH, but realistically should be reworked to remove a lot of TH aspects but maintain the boss fight.

tardy mauve
#

mimic boss in a more official capacity would be nice

wintry sequoia
#

and one of the statues could have an examine text indicating the total achieved votes for Integrity.

tardy mauve
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its not reaper crew required so iiwii if it were to be removed permanently. imo

cold elm
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Just add all cosmetics from removed content to the same place the removed item cosmetics will be

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Or to the Stanley limelight shop

gritty tundra
#

I'm new to the Discord and I"m really only here to say that I'm really upset about the removal of TH. I've worked like the devil to gather items etc and try and fill the collection chests in the POH will all the items to complete them and now it all just goes away. It really pisses me off and after almost twenty years of paid membership I'm seriously considerting quitting. Why was there no way to vote AGAINST removing TH and all the items? I guess Jagex wanted it gone and that was a way they convince themselves that they've been fair about it. I'm angry.....

earnest oak
tardy mauve
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POH isnt related to TH and mtx items from what I can see

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ah im wrong there is a section.

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Toy box can hold th items

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to my knowledge most of these arent being removed from the game

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cold elm
sudden tendon
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Also looks like most if not all those items on that list can be stored by Diango FWIW

heavy gate
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toybox literally IS diango

tardy mauve
#

Toy box is considered diango? Interesting game mechanic if it is.

sudden tendon
neon topaz
tardy mauve
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They are being removed yeah. I dont want them to tho 😿

sudden tendon
flint mortar
#

The Jmods have noticed the feedback on lucky items as cosmetic overrides and it looks like they might be discussing them at some point

sudden tendon
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❤️

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I have several keepsaked lucky items but sadly I never managed to get the Lucky Armadyl Chainskirt to complete that set it's so pretty literally hope I'd get it for years either from TH or those Twitch Prime caskets but sadly nope

warped cliff
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Keep voting guys!!

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I know we've met the threshold, but let's really send a message here!

autumn idol
weary lava
# stuck elbow I am bad at EoC lol

I hear this. During some reddit posts on how to combat certain enemies for completion of certain quests, I was asked what my action bars were, and was told they were about the WORST they could be, and I was more or less sabotaging myself.

arctic coyote
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With PvME once I moved to actually bossing

uncut phoenix
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When will the "lump sum" treasure hunter keys be distributed? Will there be an opportunity to purchase Premier Membership and have those keys disbursed when buying keys goes offline and after the new Premier items are released?

worthy totem
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the only answer that can be provided for now is before the start of 2027
but you might get a more timely answer when the roadmap comes out in 4 days

uncut phoenix
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Thanks. Roadmap it is!

hard elk
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Why are death touched darts getting removed in the maybe section

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Just curious

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I mean I don't mind it's removal just curious

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Cus I know U can buy it at the trader guy

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It's handy because no fomo or anything

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But yeah

heavy gate
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TL;DR they dont fit with the vision they have for the game

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Not that strange its an insta-kill dart that also has a huge non-obvious exception list because of how strong it is

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Same reason its barely working on any boss released the last half a decade

hard elk
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Oh awesome.

cold elm
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It looks like they haven't

arctic coyote
cold elm
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There was a big debate/argument/call it whatever which meant pvme no longer maintain it and removed their discord banner from the page. But as far as I can see, nothing has changed bar-wise so they're still the pvme ones basically

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I know this because I was the one who designed the lvl 1-70 levelling bars (along with 2 other editors)

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Nami and Tinky

torpid light
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too bad these will be gone end of january

neon topaz
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Good

fervent bloom
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i never used them tbh

neon topaz
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Penguins and effigy incubator are nice resets, other than that, could care less about em

worthy totem
arctic coyote
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Aw, the D&D tokens are on the definitely nuke list?

heavy gate
arctic coyote
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Oh, that’s fine

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Because they’ll only get thanosd by the underlying timer problem being solved

tardy mauve
fervent bloom
tender kettle
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Effigy Incubator and Giant Oyster are the only things I use my resets on.

inland plaza
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Time to use them on more to use them up 🙂

arctic coyote
hoary yew
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We need 51 more votes!

wintry sequoia
# gritty tundra I'm new to the Discord and I"m really only here to say that I'm really upset abo...

So this day was coming weather the community desired it or not; realistically adding a no to the vote wouldn't of helped the cause; all it would of done is indicated you'd of been apart of the smaller minority towards keeping treasure hunter.

I understand this may feel disheartening; however I'd like to mention a couple things of note.

  • It appears your not directly upset about the removal of Treasure Hunter but rather the items tied to it.
  • Where the items your appeared to be upset about aren't even items most players are complaining about, additionally to the point these items have even been obtainable on ironman accounts.
    That being said; I am trying to understand this; Do these items serve a purpose besides cosmetic overrides or collection log that I am unaware of?
    If not; may I understand why the removal of said items would be upsetting besides the fact time spent obtaining them?

Where most players are upset about treasure hunter is how it impacts the games economy, and integrity towards game progression, and its this particular reason that players have dramatically over supported the removal of treasure hunter. Its never belonged in the game or properly intergraded into the games economy or integrity. Bare in mind; not all MTX is bad; but this one in particular was rooted bad to the core.

Players are offered a method to bypass game mechanics entirely to progress for cash.
Players are not directly offered the items they are intending to obtain, but rather forced to gamble for them.
These Items impact the cost of items in the player driven market devaluing majority of skilling methods.
These Items impacted the cost of market fluxuations based on current driven promotions
All of these primarily deriving from whoever has more Cash is capable to surpass other players with extremely limited limitation of how much is possible to surpass, (Example: A Friend Maxed his account many years ago completely with the use of Treasure Hunter Keys.)

Portables

Where these Items seem harmless to the economy and interaction to the game, the core issue with these items was the obsoletion of majority of the game locations for training to congregate players all to 1 directed skilling location and world.
The Core fundamental of having the benefit of placing the Portable being performed by the player is the core issue; thus these benefits may potentially be introduced in another way to the game at various locations, revitalizing various skilling locations to be appearing less "dead content"

Proteans

Where these items seem decent due to how AFK and quality of life for most players, these Items do not contribute nor participate within the games economy what so ever, instead completely obsoleting and bypassing it entirely.
The Core fundamental behaviour of Proteans not being craftable or providing output back into the games economy is its primary issue; the concept of them being AFKable or stackable isn't an issue in itself; and we may potentially see future changes to these skills or items that may make things better for the games health long term with the removal of these items.

Silverhawks

These items aren't directly on the removal list yet, however being heavily looked into by jagex for potential of removal. I have to admit the skill feels pointless in the modern age of the game beyond level 5, that is an issue in itself about the skill; therefore many players don't see enjoyable nor feel the skill exactly belongs in the game performing laps of a specified course. This skill as an entirety needs to be checked into and reviewed for potential improvements or changes, and honestly my opinion to how to improve this is potentially dramatically unpopular.

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My thoughts on potential agility changes.

  • Changes to Teleports/Loadstones.
    • Loadstones shouldn't be a free teleport, therefore making the travelling the map more viable with the use of agility shortcuts as an alternative to runes required to teleport.
    • If Teleports were to be reworked; Loadstones would absolutely require respective runes to their locations, and available on all spellbooks (with potential requirements for Lunar Isle exclusive for Lunar Spellbook, and Bandit Camp for Ancients Spellbook)
    • Some Spells could be entirely reworked such as Fally Teleport could be merged with Fally Loadstone, Varrock with Varrocks, Camelot merged with both Seers village and Catherby and so forth.
      Loadstones were one of the worst things to occur in regards to Agility feeling purposeful, primarily due to how common loadstones are available, therefore obsoleting the need for majority of agility shortcuts.
      Another missed opportunity towards Agility was the use of scaled agility requirements for double surge/double escape and maybe a future integration of double dive.
  • Surge/Escape should of required 20 Agility.
  • Dive should of required 45 Agility.
  • Double Surge/Escape should of required 80 Agility.
  • Double Dive potentially could be 95 Agility.
    These would provide more purpose towards the use of agility, training agility however also needs improvements, as repeating a course consistently shouldn't be the only method of training. We have various options available already in game that can be looked into further, including could bring more aspects towards skilling bosses to provide better experience rates of agility to make more fun methods.
rose solar
wintry sequoia
rose solar
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Yeah, but it sounds way more like tt. Seems common enough too. Most complaints i see dont fully understand changes, or completely misunderstand them :/ (or dont want to play the game)

wintry sequoia
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yep. sounds accurate.

arctic coyote
rose solar
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Nah, not confirmed, but the fact that they havent come back and that theres little reason to think otherwise. You dont kit out a house specifically for th, or get excited to fill it.

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It might have some functionality, but that wouldnt really be necessary to mention.

arctic coyote
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Whilst I don’t disagree it makes sense, it’s just a guess

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Everything appeals to someone

wintry sequoia
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Have we ever been informed any information towards this Combat Update? seems we've passed it and I don't recall anything being listed in regards to it yet? 😮 or did I miss something?

roadmap.png
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because Harvest Hallow and Leagues end tomorrow.

shy stream
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Too be fair, the small print at the bottom does say content is subject to change. Plus autumn isn't technically over for another month and a half. Still plenty of time to get the combat update out.

arctic coyote
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Though don’t expect anything game changing

flint mortar
rose solar
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With leagues over we can probably expect more actual update announcements. Id expect they'd have been mostly on hold

slender bane
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@clever jasper
Currently going through my bank and the list of MTX to be removed from game in 2027

Small knowledge bombs are not listed
Are they staying?

Shadow gem shard is not listed
Are they staying?

Token of heros is not listed
Are they staying?

neon topaz
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If it gives you XP in any way, just assume it is

slender bane
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Assume they are staying?

inland plaza
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And small bombs are the only ones really given out 99% of the time

slender bane
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Then they should list "small knowledge bomb" as its own item.

inland plaza
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"knowledge bomb" isn't even item since all different kinds have the size in the name

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Applying a little bit of common sense would go along way

inland plaza
slender bane
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Which is weird since the pestilence shard is being removed

quiet mist
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It also doesn't talk about any of the other TH currency sigils either:

  • Amascut Sigil
  • Tumeken Sigil
  • Death's Sigil
  • Rasial's Sigil
  • Phoenix Sigil
  • Dark Phoenix Sigil
slender bane
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I was actually happy with the tokens and sigil promos

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Means you habe tje ability to get the outfits over the course of multiple iterations. Instead of a 1 time fomo

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Wonder if they will also reveal what the compensation for items being removed will be.

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I have a full 48 hour dxp worth of protean logs, planks and traps. So 3 dxp events. Over 2k combat dummies and 200 agility dummies.

inland plaza
inland plaza
slender bane
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Gonna see what happens on the 12th first.

wintry sequoia
slender bane
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Knowledge bombs
Superior knowledge bombs
Were on the list, not small knowledge bombs. They are separate items

wintry sequoia
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Holiday Currencies, Treasure Hunter Currencies, Oddments, all of them alike are compiled together and will be able to be traded in.

I get they are separate Items, however its extremely unlikely those items would remain.

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theres so many MTX items theres definately always going to be ones that slip through the cracks when providing a full compiled list. as the list will only compile what they realize. Eventually youll see more information added to it over time.

slender bane
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It's like, why would they list the proteans as separate items in the list, but not list the different knowledge bombs as separate items.

inland plaza
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"Knowledge bombs" isn't an existing items at al

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It's really just a mistake calling them knowledge bomb instead of "small knowdledge bomb" most likely

shy mural
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You're arguing semantics when functionally, they are the same item

inland plaza
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Since theres only the small / superior function that ever get seen?

wintry sequoia
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I take it your new around here? 😉

slender bane
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If you are going to group the different sized knowledge bombs as a single item, why not say "proteans" instead of listing them individually

inland plaza
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nvm i've never even seen the superior one. Prime knowledge bombs though i wonder about those

wintry sequoia
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Example:
Look at end game tool tiers.
Level 1 | Level 95 | Level 99 | Level 100 but they are all equal 💀

inland plaza
slender bane
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Indeed they are.

inland plaza
wintry sequoia
inland plaza
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Pretty sure a bronze hatchet isn't the same as the blight and bloom hatchet or whatever it's called

wintry sequoia
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The level 1 is referencing as the Hunter Net.

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which is equal to all the endgame tools.

inland plaza
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I understand what you mean now 🙂

wintry sequoia
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oh don't forget the t70 fishing rod which tbf, doesn't actually keep up with t100.

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yeah each of those numbers are in reference to a different skills item.

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another major inconsistency;
Masterwork.
Magic/Melee are both different, One has less stats with additonal steps 💀

solar cosmos
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masterwork melee: needs mining/smithing
Masterwork magic: mining, smithing, runecrafting, farming, crafting

Why?

inland plaza
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Because why not

solar cosmos
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just so inconsistent

inland plaza
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Would it make sense for the magic armour to only be smithed then?

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Not everything needs to be 100% exactly the same across all styles

amber cargo
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I like the excess skills, a little boring to have mw melee only be smithing

lucid orbit
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inconsistency is good

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gives the game flavour

hoary yew
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I'm starting to doubt we'll make it to the 200m xp mark on this poll

empty canopy
hasty frost
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I'm all for the removal of MTX it's a blight on the game. I hope they extend this to bloody FOMO events! However I think it is unfortunate that the Yes vote wasn't set up differently. The No voters should have had a say if nothing else but to give a even view.
Secondly I wish we had a survey to the next step. What the majority wanted to stay in one form or another. This would have given every player a feeling of controling where we go from here.
I feel blindsided by some of the items to go. They were not all gained through TH. They didn't come with an expiry date. They were a reward one way or another and as a maxed player I have no outlet to use them atm but was hoping to use in the future. I am hoping I will be compensated one one or another.
The items that are to be removed better not come back in as a buy option or FOMO in one form or another.

cold elm
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People need to get over it

hasty frost
worthy totem
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not necessary, anything that compromises the integrity of the game is going, its quite simple

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i think the key word here is bypass, if you're given something from bought keys, daily keys, any sort of purchased good or freebie, and that something can be used to bypass engaging with the core gameplay, then its going

heavy gate
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MTX had them add a bunch of things they would never have added otherwise, purely to try to get people to buy keys, that they recognise are harmful to the game and game balance

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Not everything is going, skilling outfits will remain for instance

hasty frost
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Items are going that are obtainable in other ways through game play. Through membership monthly rewards, from mystery reward boxes from events etc. Not all these items were only obtained through TH keys or rl $.

heavy gate
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For example, there is a reason that death-touched darts have not been usable for almost any boss released in the last half a decade

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The issue is that its an insta kill dart, even if its obtainable via Travelling Merchant as well as TH

worthy totem
heavy gate
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Here is Mod Ryan on some of the items

hasty frost
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I hear you or the sentiment. Part of me goes well just stop making them available and they will leave the game as they are used or sit in someones bank. The other part of me knows it then will be holding item space and hmm ?data space.
I hope they will reimburse ppl appropriately. Rl $ and game gp has been used.
I have bought very few keys :/ only when the will has been weak. Prob can be counted on one hand. But I have a crazy amount of these items through one means or another. I am maxed so I'm not going to be using most of these items up. I hear ppl saying then you have no use for them. However new skills come out. Jx changes things all the time, RS3 is very unpredictable. i honestly will be mightly pissed if I get peanuts for them.

heavy gate
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Players have been given time to use up their resource by the 1st of jan 2027

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Thats the expiration date for removal of items

heavy gate
# hasty frost I hear you or the sentiment. Part of me goes well just stop making them availabl...

You do mention new skills, but its pretty evident I think that if they introduce a new skill, not only will they not add any new items (no new protean, no new portable etc you could convert to), but they also don't want these old MTX items to have any effect on any new skill.

Usually new skills have released with a 6 month pause on most if not all sources of extra xp, even things like tears of guthix.

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I wouldn't worry about future use for items that they outright want to delete

hasty frost
heavy gate
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I get you want to keep them as a bit of a "just in case you never know", but Jagex is pretty much saying "there won't be any case" with them being removed

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If you're 200m maxed in everything their purpose is largely spent

flint mortar
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Many of the complaints people have with current skills can be resolved by adjustments to to the skills. Lots of people don't like engaging with certain skills, like agility. Or maybe the early game skilling experience was just terrible to them. So they use mtx to skip grinds and progression. The Jmods plan to fix that by tackling the specific skills people don't like engaging with as well as discussing exp progression

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But it's important that they don't let people just continue to keep their stockpiles of proteans and the like

hasty frost
heavy gate
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The compensation cannot be huge as that would just negatively impact game economy and health

hasty frost
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I like the direction the game is going in. I really do. But I played the game as it is. Jx insisted on milking mtx to the max despite years of backlash. Yay finally listening. However I don't want to be penalised, so I really hope Jx is going to compensate appropriately.

heavy gate
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We can't exchange them for equivalent items, as we'd crash the economy of anything that gets exchanged
We can't exchange them for meaningful amount of gold, as we'll cause huge inflation

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I don't really know how we can compensate for these items

flint mortar
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The main issue with conversion to equivalent resources or to exp credits or direct exp is that it doesn't mesh well with the whole vision of integrity for the game, since you'd still be allowing people to directly or indirectly skip progression as well as warping demand for skilling items

heavy gate
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In particular when part of the request is compensation for things beyond their use

empty canopy
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maybe all of the mtx items can be exchanged for a construction rework, the more exchanged, the better the rework

heavy gate
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If you've already exhausted the point of these rewards (and I get you, I've exhausted some of them)

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then what are you losing?

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like, protean bars only have value for xp, or being converted to other proteans

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So everyone gets roughly 14 months to use up theirs

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If there is no reason to use them currently for a player because their use is exhausted, the item already don't really have value

empty canopy
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i'd be down for some kind of store where you can chuck em for some ol' cosmetics

heavy gate
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Doubly so when Jagex is making it clear there is never going to be a new protean that they could convert to

hasty frost
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The cynic in me just doesn't trust Jx. They have alot to make up for.

heavy gate
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Very understandable

flint mortar
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There are potentially* some items that could stay in some form or another like portables. But they would not remain as powerful as they are now

heavy gate
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Like, I do get what you mean, even though I personally just tossed all my proteans into deletion with not a second thought

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Its just that compensation is very hard to do without harming the game further

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It seem to me the simplest route is just the one Jagex seem to be looking at. Use up in a generous time frame, then outright removal.

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Anyone that has stuff they want to use got time, if there is something that isn't worthwhile to be used then probably no need for compensation either.

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We'll see how it works out, the more detailed newspost will be in 2 days

hasty frost
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I would be happy with free membership, Free past TH cosmetics I honestly don't know. I hear what you are saying.

hasty frost
heavy gate
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I've seen membership, though figuring out a conversion rate on 200 items that people have massive stacks on seem like a headache

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You don't want to give too many because subscription is their biggest source of revenue and giving everyone hundreds of days of membership would be a financially unsound idea

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But if you're the opposite of generous in such a case you'll get a lot of complaints from people with stacks that are below qualifying level

hasty frost
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Yes I see the no win situation so I hope they come up with a satisfying solution.

arctic coyote
tardy mauve
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hope theres a funny title for large amounts donated

rose solar
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Sounds like you're just opportunistically trying to get value from nothing more than actually having any sort of problem with the removal

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Imo, there should be no reimbursement with the time available to use them. If you dont, it either didnt matter or they had no value in the firstplace (assuming its not a cosmetic)

hasty frost
rose solar
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-shrugs- so, i guess what i said was true. it doesnt really matter how you got items, because realistically, th was in the game, so it was legitimate as well. these things are being removed because they are problematic, so it doesnt really matter how you got them, only that you have a realistic time frame to use them, which.. a year is more than enough.
and as you said, you're already max, so had no intention of ever using these things.

hasty frost
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-shrug-
They have no value to you.
They have value to me.

rose solar
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sure, but i also bet treasure hunter as a whole has value to a minority of people, yet is still getting removed.

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id also argue that large scale reimbursement in any 'tradable' or currency form goes against the entire ideology that removing treasure hunter is going for

hasty frost
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I voted Yes. I understand the problem. I'm glad it's being addressed albeit way to late. Wanting compensation of some sort for the thousand of items is not unrealistic. Being called opportunist and Implying I should just take one for the team is just mind blowing. But we will have to agree to disagree.

rose solar
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but that was my point. what you want in return goes against the entire point of removing treasure hunter..

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its not really ab out 'taking one for the team'. its that the stuff you have from it was ruining the game, and its never too late to fix that issue

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well, too late would be when the game is dead.

hazy musk
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A well of integrity would be nice

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Where you can toss in your mtx stuff

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I have a bunch sitting in my bank that I'm too lazy to use

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If there was a quick solution to toss it out I'll take it

rich brook
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I think I deleted a bunch of proteans in my bank

quiet mist
worthy totem
hasty frost
rose solar
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award titles for 'gp value' and allow them in the other well we have, so that everyone has access to them, and noone should complain

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since its just buying a title or using that crap

hasty frost
heavy gate
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Will be useable next dxp though you're right there

inland plaza
quick harbor
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If theres is no compensation for items purchased how can i trust purchaseing anything further that they might just up and decide to remove later. Kinda like when your primier runs out you lose the cosmetics you gotten from purchaseing it .

inland plaza
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And please also keep in mind that simply flooding the economy with items isn't good

fervent bloom
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idek what would even be acceptable compensation tbh. i think the time given is a lot. i have maybe 13k proteans to burn through but even though i can play like 1 day a week, even i think i can go through those proteans before they disappear

inland plaza
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yeah it's like what. 700ish proteans per hour to use?

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so lets give that a rough estimaion of 20 hours of afking to use all 13k of your proteans

fervent bloom
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and if i wanted to save them for dxp, that maybe 3 dxp's to use them on? assumming they go to 2 dxp's a year

inland plaza
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1 should be enough 🙂

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20 hours of afking in 10 days

stuck elbow
inland plaza
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Being able to clean up the code is nice by being able to delete them all

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And any underlying things that benefit from full deletion

tardy mauve
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Late response... of course its been hours.

turbid flame
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Removing proteans is unavoidable when you remove treasure hunter. Otherwise that afk training method stays in the game and new players have no access to it. They hear people in their clan talking about training skills with proteans and then they look it up and find that they can't do that anymore. That would be stupid.