Augmented Runecrafting & Thieving launches today! - This Week In RuneScape

[tropic current]

The Invention Guild is abuzz with rumours of new perks and components found around Gielinor.
Let's take a look! - https://secure.runescape.com/m=news/augmented-runecrafting--thieving-launches-today---this-week-in-runescape

[dense oyster]

@tropic current any word on if old perks work for new skilling mainhands?

[flint cradle]

With double xp on the way, any plans on when the Archeology and Dungeoneering skilling dummies to be included from the skilling crates?

[vapid girder]

Primal Crossbow's don't have the new components?

[tropic current]

Gonna review with the team I may have misread the design doc

[whole pelican]

are talismans supposed to give the new comps?

[vapid girder]

yeah they seem to be working

although yet to get one 😄

[whole pelican]

same with fur lol nothing wants to give it

[vapid girder]

water tally just gave me one

[whole pelican]

offcuts are flying in, water tally and fur seem hella rough

[tropic current]

Have you discovered the Manufactured componant?

[vapid girder]

I have yes

It shows up for the talismans, but not the primal crossbow

[tropic current]

whats your invention level?

[vapid girder]

120

rsn: Braddy

[glacial lance]

if it helps, primal crossbow mk5 does have them - I got 8 comps from d/a'ing 20 (56 Inv)

[vapid girder]

do the crossbows have to be the mk5 vs the normal ones?

[vapid girder]

good timing 😄

[tropic current]

hearing from mod Helen that the non mk version doesnt give them

[vapid girder]

Do we know if that's intentional?
As the post mentioned the non-upgraded

I'd assume it is if Helen says so

[tropic current]

`Yeah I am gonna update the newspost thats on me for reading it a bit wrong

[vapid girder]

No worries at all, thank you for looking into it 🙂

[whole pelican]

eternal magic shortbows arent giving any (250) disassembled

[vapid girder]

I assume those will also have to be the highest upgraded version

[whole pelican]

Eternal Shortbows & Iron to Primal equipment from Smithing.

assuming this refers to all types of armour

would they then need to be upgraded versions as well?

[tropic current]

Yes everything would need to be enhanced to at least +1/Mk1 etc I ahve updated the newspost to better reflect this

[vapid girder]

Thanks Azanna 🙂

[glacial lance]

turns out the "special" roll for Manuf comps is always 2 components
Can also be 1 apparently

[vapid girder]

from talismans it's just 1 (screenshot just above)

[glacial lance]

thank you!

[whole pelican]

unless you make the items, the cost is quite high right now to get comps

[steady ridge]

The volume charts on flatpacks might be interesting

[whole pelican]

whats supposed to be the best way to get manufactured parts?

[blazing charm]

so how do wer get offcut components? it says flatpacks, hunter gear and furs, but tried everything and got 0

[whole pelican]

talk to the person outside guild then discover comps

but you can discover before talking to them

[hot spear]

They seem pretty rare, out of like 100 mahogany armchairs, i've had 2 offcuts

[whole pelican]

mahog tables i got 21 from 100

[fallow ingot]

please give us an option to repeat the dialogue with Lea!

[blazing charm]

When i talk to lea, "we meet again, have you have my bag"

When i go into the working bench nothing new to discover

[whole pelican]

50m deep into eternal mk5s and not a single comp

[tropic current]

took about 15 mk5 bows to get my first manufactured drop on the test run

[celest gyro]

got my first from greater necroplasm in 95.

2/120

[tropic current]

3 drops in an inventory of 28 bows

[whole pelican]

guess im just hella unlucky

[tropic current]

Possibly the case, when I was testing for naturalist perk the other day it took ages to get it, some days ya just have the luck on your side

[celest gyro]

greater ecto seems to be fairly consistent, but I also have 150 with the t4 luck relic. I doubt it has anything to do with it, but 🤷‍♂️

[runic ferry]

how do you discover offcut comps?

[hot spear]

I'm still confused on the carved rod part lol

[whole pelican]

chisel some pure ess

after that im clueless

[celest gyro]

going to assume you have to continue to talk to the mini-quest giver

[hot spear]

oh so I have to make the bag first?

[radiant cove]

Can anyone tell me the names of the main hands

[celest gyro]

You do not need to discover Offcut materials

[austere shadow]

how do you get mushy mush, putting mushrooms into chin pen yields variety mush

[celest gyro]

did you already have food in the pen?

[austere shadow]

nope cleared it

[celest gyro]

did you still have other things in your inventory? maybe it ate it all at once?

[radiant cove]

Put it into a zygo pen

[celest gyro]

100 mahogany tables gave me 6 offcut materials

[glacial lance]

Confirmed you can get the new comps from scav & brooch

Full bag/rod recipes:

[topaz elm]

my poor harmonic dust

NOOOO~1

[fierce ibex]

any idea berst to dis for offcut comps plz , primal crossbow mk5 work well for manufactured comps

[steady ridge]

I mean, it’s just 150

Not 4k

[random mist]

Any chance we can maybe craft hunter furs into gear ourselves, rather than having to go through an npc?

[steady ridge]

Yeah, Chins turn everything into variety, you’ll need a zygomite

[random mist]

Having 99 crafting and not being able to sew our own kebbit fur together feels a bit silly

[obtuse arrow]

Meanwhile Splitbark.

[tropic current]

Maybe something for Hunter 110 but unlikely to be a thing for an update like this

[dense oyster]

any update if any of the older perks also work for new rc/thieve mainhands?

[tepid copper]

mahogany flatpacks worked for me, manufactured comps I found powerful necroplasm to be good

[hot spear]

Marble cape racks seem like 100% chance at 2 offcuts

As an ironman it hurt to spend that much money, but it was for science

[drifting oyster]

hehe

[hot spear]

how?

[drifting oyster]

secret strats

i dont want to say incase its patched it seems op

[hot spear]

Rip I've had 2 so far

[analog holly]

I have a feeling 95% of the players thought at first, about 2 offhands 🙂

[hot spear]

Do we know what old perks do on the new tools yet?

[hot spear]

No exp on binding rod from runespan 😦

[steady ridge]

Necroplasm?

[wintry breach]

the mushroom bag shadow-requiring 81 farming wasn't expected, guess I put thieving off for longer

[primal relic]

same here - tried fur, bear fur, grey wolf fur, all kinds of falconry fur, all items made with falconry fur, every hunter gear item sold in hunter shops (luke box traps, noose wands etc), zero offcut comps
also several inventories of teak and mahogany flatpacks, not a single comp

they're supposed to be "uncommon" and not ultra rare

[primal relic]

how? I tried every single item type that was mentioned, before and after talking to Lea, not a single component
did get 2 manufactured comps without talking to any NPC though

[random mist]

Mort myre mushrooms

[steady ridge]

There shouldn’t be any requirements to receive any materials, afaik

[wintry breach]

the mushy mush needs zygomites to make into said mush, else roll an excessive amount of supplies at iaia to maybe get enough

[steady ridge]

Those materials that have discovery blueprints are only for the ability to use them in gizmos

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Mushy_mush

[random mist]

Empty pen defaults to mushy mush with just shrooms

[steady ridge]

Ah, didn’t realize mush is untradable

[random mist]

How bout breeding pen?

[wintry breach]

same thing

[drifting oyster]

put a zygo in there to add food

[random mist]

Should let us invent a farmfood blender

[wintry breach]

you missed the first message being the requirement of 81 farming unexpected

[drifting oyster]

you can feed them to chins too

[wintry breach]

chins turns it to variety no matter what

[random mist]

Mush storage upgrade for farm

Stick food in, automatically become mush

Would safe bankspace for raw meat too

[drifting oyster]

wiki states 17 farming req for mushy mush so idk

what happens if you add the mushrooms, remove the chins and take food out

[wintry breach]

once you put it in its variety

[steady ridge]

Where are you seeing that?

[steady ridge]

Ah, weird

That’s just the level to unlock PoF

[summer drum]

for the mushroomy pouch do you expect people to farm bittercap mushrooms? they're low level to farm (53) and nobody sells the seeds. <200 volume sold according to wiki. who's idea was this? why not have them be made with tombshroom instead, that would actually match the artwork (light blue smoke coming from the pouch). but even then, those mushrooms have low volume sold on G/E and take lvl 109 to grow. I'm so confused honestly. maybe they don't want them to be very common because the pouch is overpowered?

[primal relic]

is there an extra requirement to receive offcut components? I read above that you must talk to Lea but that didn't change that I don't get a single comp from whatever I disassemble
the tooltip mentions furs and the analyze function used on the furs I have shows that they're supposed to give them

also that the roll for special is independent of the roll for junk or simple or variable

[oak lagoon]

Can a jmod confirm if Prosper perk works or not now with rc/thieving?

[steady ridge]

Right, special components have their own roll

Right now we don’t actually know what the chances are for the various items

Hopefully the wiki will get a dump of all of them from Jagex

[primal relic]

a few hundred mixed furs from falconry kebbits gave zero comps, so apparently the chance is worse than 1/500

[oak lagoon]

Junk chance was bad so makes sense

[primal relic]

but from what I understood in view of terminology of other drops (also boss/slayer/rdt) something being called "uncommon" means the drop rate shouldn't be worse than 1/128

and the roll for special is separate so junk chance shouldn't have any influence

[drifting oyster]

i think the best item for offcuts is mahog armchair

[primal relic]

I used up all the planks I had to make various flatpacks, no luck
but that was before I talked to Lea... not sure if that makes a difference

[drifting oyster]

no diff

personally ive made about 50 on my gim and only had 4 comps

[primal relic]

well I made way more than 50 and got zero

[drifting oyster]

mahog armchairs has the best junk and material chance

i think 40% junk and x2 materials

[primal relic]

maybe there is another requirement which I missed

that'll take a lot of rdt and AOD drops to get mahog planks again

[drifting oyster]

you dont need to unlock the mat to start getting them

youj on an iron?

[primal relic]

iron light playstyle so basically yes, need to get my own
and I'm definitely not chopping inferior logs with dxp around the corner

[drifting oyster]

so how about this

set your miscellania kingdom to collect maahogs

[primal relic]

that too will take way longer than getting planks as drops, miscellania is slow
and then still they all need to be thrown into the plank machine which takes another week
by that time dxp will be long over

which is why I tried the hunter method for comps

[drifting oyster]

i just used analyse to check to materials/junk chance on various items

[plain rain]

polishing is goated, wild runes underwhelming

that's the consensus

[humble lagoon]

I think the preservation perk is kinda bugged! used over 150 gizmos with components to get the perk but still haven't seen it in any combination

[plain rain]

would be worthwhile at 2% per rank

[drifting oyster]

have you tried wild runes on air altar with all rune boosts?

[plain rain]

In no world will that be worthwhile or overall profitable

im doing it at waters

[drifting oyster]

but you get the biggest rune multiplier on air?

[plain rain]

yes

you'll get a 4.5k assortment of random runes

every like 20 runs

air rcing will never be meta tho

idk

[keen arch]

What’s the move for manufactured
Necroplasm?

[devout ocean]

Binding rod gets nothing in runespan?

[random mist]

The examine text is pretty explicit about 'altars'

[jaunty plover]

Been disassembling Powerful necroplasm

[grand wind]

I have been making Mahogany Armour cases and in about 500 planks I've gottten 28 offcut comps

[fluid geode]

has anyone found a good combo for Naturalist and Explosive?

[tropic current]

need at least 3 Manufactured for Explosive so I imagine this would be around right

[fluid geode]

oooo thanks

[drifting oyster]

azanna can you confirm powerful necroplasm is being dismantled correctly?

[tropic current]

in what fashion?

[drifting oyster]

1:1 dismantle ratio instead of 1:50

[tropic current]

like 1 item to 50 material componants?

[drifting oyster]

some items dismantle in stacks of 50, like arrows and runes

[wise hound]

Does prosper perk work with the new rc/thieving tools?

[drifting oyster]

i figured 1 powerful necroplasm wasnt alot considering how many you can make

[tropic current]

It will, there is an issue with it at this moment that doesnt let it drop clues but its been flagged and is being resolved

[tropic current]

My understanding that 1 to 1 is correct but I will check

[wise hound]

Thank you for the response!

[prime talon]

Which perks will good to use on the new new skilling mainhands? Asking for a friend. 🙂

[normal iron]

Anyone know a good thing to disassemble for Offcuts?

[steady ridge]

Any chance you know what the chance should be for each skill? The wiki has them for all the existing ones [[prosper]]

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Prosper

[drifting oyster]

all these comps from 3k powerful necroplasm

thats not even 2m gp worth of supplies lol

[storm bluff]

Yea powerful necroplasm is the best way

[tropic current]

Its been raised to the team, its likely intended to be 1/50 but we will see shortly

[random mist]

Takes a while to prep that stuff from scratch, so... 1 to 1 doesn't seem too out of place imo

[storm bluff]

Anyone got the preservation perk or is it insanely rare? Tried 40+ with ancient gizmos with manufactured components but got everything at max rank except preservation never appeared.

[dense oyster]

havent gotten wild runes or preservationist yet

[storm bluff]

got many wild runes5 wist hasty 5 and explosion

[glacial lance]

Very RNG-dependent. Earlier Mod Azanna said:

Possibly the case, when I was testing for naturalist perk the other day it took ages to get it, some days ya just have the luck on your side

[storm bluff]

lol sounds right, got explosion/nat5 on 2nd try

[echo rose]

Explosive still giving rockertunities

[swift lion]

delete this

[steady ridge]

Why would necroplasm not disassemble one at a time? Is it not pretty much just runes/ammo that are batches of 50?

[glacial lance]

I believe the core issue here is that the comps are too common for only needing 1 item per disassembly

[steady ridge]

Feels like if that was unintended the “fix” would just be to reduce the chance? It’s also a pretty high level item, taking 8 of the base item and several rituals to produce

[[powerful necroplasm]]

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Powerful_necroplasm

[karmic stirrup]

If wiki calculator is accurate getting preservation with manufactured actually seems kinda hard to do. some weirdness to do with how perks are calculated. Silent comps seem to get it well

idk if there's a bug or just weird design

[steady ridge]

There were reports of the calculator not working properly, not sure if that’s been resolved yet

[shy fern]

necroplasm is easy to make and comes in large batches, several hundred at a time depending on multipliers. I would expect it to be 1:50

[steady ridge]

Is there anything else besides ammo and runes that does that?

[junior nova]

Does fortune perk work with thieving/rc tools?

[swift lion]

idk but i assumed it would be 50 before trying it, and i was very surprised by how OP it is right now

[shy fern]

Outside of runes/ammo (and ammo materials) best I could think of was something like bait or feathers. Bait is not disassbled, feathers are disassembled 1 at a time. so hmmm

[blazing sail]

I'm a bit late, but sad to see the new achievement isn't a miniquest for some reason

[tropic current]

Fortune doesn't work on either. For RC it would have to straight up double any runes ya made which would be fun but scary and for Thieving it would be doubling items you are stealing which could get weird

[weary socket]

If prosper will work with the thieving and runecrafting items, could we get the rates for the wiki?

[glacial lance]

I found the list of outliers: https://runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Disassembly_categories
All of these D/A 50 at a time unless stated otherwise:

• Arrows & arrowheads
• Bolts & bolt tips
• Cannonballs
• Darts
• Harmonic dust (100/DA instead of 50)
• Runes
• Scrolls (10/DA)
• Throwing axes & throwing knives

[faint gate]

ah could it not do it per rune? so chance per rune

[pliant nebula]

but my double clue chance at ham members :<

[steady ridge]

Talismans definitely aren’t batches

[pliant nebula]

but muh double clue chance at ham members

[glacial lance]

my bad for that, did a derp (went off the category name)

[pliant nebula]

also why cant we use furnace with theiving :<

[steady ridge]

Interesting

[karmic stirrup]

tbf even smithing can double

[steady ridge]

So other than harmonic dust and scrolls, yeah, it’s pretty much just ammo

[tropic current]

Thieving so good you pull 2 pairs of Ham boots out of their pocket

[solid tundra]

just don't ask where they had it

they dont know either

[shy fern]

I'd love to see necroplasm D/A in batches of 20. That would be consistent with how much is needed to make ink.

Then they could also make ink D/A-able for 1:1

[dense oyster]

^seems like a better middle ground

[faint gate]

well they do have 2 feet 😉

[shy fern]

you wear a pair of shoes on each of your feet?

[faint gate]

you carry a spare pair of shoes in your pocket?

[snow condor]

try this

[faint gate]

do we know bis combos yet?

[random mist]

Confused perk should let you dodge when caught by teleporting away 1-3% of the time when caught

[storm bluff]

uff silent components

ohh wait i have spare blowpipe parts from Iaia 😄

[dim sail]

Would it be possible to include more details in the news posts again? I appreciate the blog a week earlier, but feel like for a lot of people it'd be nice to have it all included in the actual news post as well.

[lean crescent]

I used water tallys/flatpacks/powerful necroplasm had both made within 30 mins.

[opaque folio]

best way for offcuts?

been disassembling larupia furs, nothing so far

[lean crescent]

just buy limit of a few of the mahogany flatpack variants

I only had to d/a 200 before I got enough for bag and rod

[pliant nebula]

is their a reason oblivious/prosper is so insainly rare to get yet, wild runes/prosper isnt?

also is their any discussion on giving the mushroomy bag a passive like the RC one?

[karmic stirrup]

mushroomy bag has a passive

[jade sentinel]

mushroom bag has a 5% chance to 1t thieve

aha ya deleted it

[oak lagoon]

1/3.81 chance for oblivious prosper with 6 comps and on 20 inv

[pliant nebula]

what comps

[karmic stirrup]

20 invention lmao

[oak lagoon]

Ye can drop your invention lvl at godwars dung entrance

Takes a while tho..

[swift lion]

do you need them in 1 gizmo? which other thieving perks even work with the bag?

[karmic stirrup]

yeah I don't think I've heard of one that low before

wait

don't go that low

[oak lagoon]

enhanced efficiient @swift lion

if you want to get it asap to lvl 20

[willow scarab]

did this update increase items you can perk? like the taggas hammer?

[swift lion]

if only

[swift lion]

okay true true

[oak lagoon]

lower chance to get the prosper combo tho but if you want only oblivious better.

[karmic stirrup]

omg

nvm I misread Explosive for Prosper

might as well ask: Does Rapid work for Thieving?

it feels like it'd fit in nicely

[glossy viper]

Is anyone else not getting the new components? I researched them, but I'm not getting them on disassemble

[pliant nebula]

does polished work with theiving?

[glossy viper]

I'm not seeing their icon in my component bag either

[random mist]

U need em once for them to show

[karmic stirrup]

almost certainly not. polishing had a special mention that only included rc, and I can't imagine how it'd work for thieving

[pliant nebula]

clues?

easy - medium, medium - hard, hard- elite, elite- master

[random mist]

Clues don't get polished with other skills either

[oak lagoon]

Theres certain items with high junk chance so it might take 500 of those items to get it :p better to diss Powerfull necroplasm for manu comps and flat packs for offcuts

[pliant nebula]

i still think we should be able to augment off-hands, like attuner, furnace core, etcv

[swift lion]

even if the perks were just regular weapon/armor perks so we can have mobile etc

that would already go a long way

[fickle ridge]

1 in 4.12 in normal gizmo....

[swift lion]

did you find out yet? i agree it would be pretty nice

[karmic stirrup]

dunno

[glossy viper]

So are they rare components or uncommon?

[normal iron]

Jagex

Please don't nerf the manufactured rate of powerful ectoplasm

😭

I beg of you

[drifting oyster]

manufactured is rare comp offcut is uncommon

[elder walrus]

1 /50 is still very easy to get, 1/5 is like meaningless

[normal iron]

They're still nerfing it though

[rare plank]

What's the best item to dis offcut?

[primal relic]

so I made the bag and upgraded it but when I show it to Lea, she thinks I don't have one and won't talk to me
can you please fix this bug asap?
I'm not going to make a 2nd basic bag

[rare plank]

It has to be new

[old beacon]

i heard it was supposed to be unupgraded

[earnest shard]

also she takes the bag, you need to make 2 anyway

[karmic stirrup]

ooh didn't think of normal. bump up the level to 70. chance goes up to 72.94%

[primal relic]

yes it is new and unused but nobody said it can't be the upgraded one
if it has to be the basic version, there should've been a confirmation prompt "you are amending an item that is still required to show to Lea"

or it shouldn't even allow to upgrade before talking to her if only the unupgraded one works

[fickle ridge]

thats for oblivious explosive not prosper?

[spark juniper]

Anybody know the best combo for preservationist and honed?

[earnest shard]

it doesn't matter you're not losing out, she takes the bag from you once you make it and show it to her

[karmic stirrup]

omfg I can't believe I made that mistake again

[earnest shard]

you will not mistakenly upgrade 2 bags so it's kinda not an issue

[pliant nebula]

EAT IT GAME

[primal relic]

I thought she wants to see one to know how they're made and then gives it back
I don't want to make even more gloves of silence, one by one, in that Varrock shop, it doesn't even have a batch production option

[pliant nebula]

also does fortune work on runecrafting

[karmic stirrup]

what level

[pliant nebula]

24

[spiral axle]

Does Honed work on either skill?

[karmic stirrup]

how many attempts

[pliant nebula]

about 10

so like 13% chance

[karmic stirrup]

hmm, either lucky or wiki calc inaccurate

ig it's an option if you don't have 3rd age

[pliant nebula]

does fortune work with RC?

[karmic stirrup]

no

[pliant nebula]

booooo

[karmic stirrup]

I agree

[karmic stirrup]

doubt it but no confirmation

[tropic current]

Hotfix applied

[long harness]

does tinker work with any of the new stuff

[spiral axle]

Do any of the old perks with the new stuff? Lol

[formal token]

i'm a bit confused - Oblivious perk doesnt seem to work?

[glacial lance]

You now d/a 20 necroplasm at a time

[pallid ibex]

In what way? It was working for me

[weary socket]

Did prosper get hotfixed?

[formal token]

well i just did a test run and i still get stunned and take the usual damage

[swift lion]

do you have charge in your charge pack?

[formal token]

yes ofc

[raven root]

did powerful necro diss just get live changed to 20 at a time?

[normal iron]

What perks work with the pickpocket bag?

[tropic current]

WIP

[formal token]

does that perk have to be on thieving tool?

[long harness]

whats wrong with it?

[weary socket]

intended to work with rc and thieving mainhands iirc

[formal token]

and besides: did you continue the pickpocketing or how should i understand that stun prevention?

[tropic current]

Currently not working on the RC/Thieving Augments

[long harness]

ah i see

[pallid ibex]

yes pickpocketing continued as normal. your perk is on a bag and not some other tool right?

[long harness]

ye thieving doesn't really have any perk options besides obliv so thatd be sad to not have it work aha

[formal token]

hence my question if it has to be on the thieving tool - so it needs to be? xd

[distant skiff]

I was in middle of discovering the invention materials and it stopped me and said I dont have the invention level but now its not there any more could that be the hotfix?

[formal token]

did u relog?°

[pallid ibex]

oh I missed that one, but yeah. Perks don't work for a skill unless they're on the right tool. Same as you wouldn't get mining benefits from honed if you had it on an equpped hatchet

[oak lagoon]

You got spooned tho its a 1/202. Gzz tho

[swift lion]

so far it seems only oblivious, prosper and stuff like wise/enhanced efficient work

[normal iron]

Wish Honed could work...

[swift lion]

well, prosper will work

fortune/rapid would be nice imo

[long harness]

tinker would be nice

[swift lion]

caroming would go hard

[long harness]

caroming thieving, steal from 5 npcs at once

[swift lion]

throwback to leagues 5 osrs

[formal token]

then you get caught. gives "flash mob" a new definition

[swift lion]

lmao

[glacial lance]

Patch notes got updated

• Fixed an issue where guest chat was also sent additionally to group channels.
• Fixed an issue with Clan/GIM broadcasts being duplicated unintentionally. This issue is resilient and may persist in some instances, if you do run into a duplicated broadcast please report it via the in game systems to help us pinpoint it.

[long harness]

we call tht aoe slayer

[lean crescent]

I’m glad that I work on Mondays- therefore everyone can play and give me the strategies to do it in the evening 🤣. Any new steps for comp cape/ mqc/etc I need to get my capes back friends 🤗

[formal token]

i dont seem to be able to get manufactured comps from eternal bows mk5 o.O

is that yet to be fixed?

[jaunty wyvern]

Seems like Powerful Necroplasm been hotfixed, now require 20/diss instead of 1/diss

[spiral axle]

...I should have stockpiled

[fluid geode]

wait i thought we would augment off-hands too lol

[lean crescent]

Only main-hands for thiev/rc was update for

[formal token]

guys

[lean crescent]

I think someone said it took like 15 earlier to get comps

[formal token]

doesnt seem to be worth it then

[oak lagoon]

Was fun while it lasted

[jaunty wyvern]

insane amounts 🙂

[lean crescent]

Roll back these people bug abusing 🤣🤣🤣

[swift lion]

not really a bug, is it

[jaunty wyvern]

Please tell me what bug was abused, I see none

[jaunty wyvern]

Not at all

[shy fern]

Is this why they changed it to 1/20? Did I do this. I was trying to get as many comps as I could pre-nerf and I got distracted

[swift lion]

shoulda called in sick today💀

[lean crescent]

I mean if you found something that was changed and not intended- that is a bug and you are exploiting the intended mechanics of gameplay….

[formal token]

who couldve known that it wasnt intended? xd

[spiral axle]

Fortunately, I just moved to a farm and there's been too much stuff to do so I haven't gotten a new job yet.

[swift lion]

ban every zamorak farmer after the upcoming nerf

[lean crescent]

Most bots that are farming should be banned. I think they already addressed too with the player support and the changes coming they are looking into more strict measures with gameplay.

[shy fern]

Was it my comment that did it? Did I change history?

[stone plinth]

will dwarf traders catch damage be looked at? oblivious is suddenly letting people get like 1.3m thieving xp/h baseline whereas before crux knights were like 730k xp and you needed bis skilling gear/auras to reach afk

[lean crescent]

They throw out the update and then probably adjust based on the playability of the update. I mean they hot/cold fix things on the fly from player experience

[rough bobcat]

are there any known combos posted somehwere?

[woeful folio]

friend of mine just pulled this

[lean crescent]

In here someone got an oblivious/prosper on 6 timeworn and 3 manufactured in middle 6 surrounds timeworn.

Then second is 6 manufactured 3 off cut for explosive with naturalist 4

[woeful folio]

assuming the calc is correct:

[lean crescent]

Dang breaking the game luck mechanic

[fluid geode]

is this a better combo than naturalist explosive?

[raven root]

it's only a "bug" if they stated it was supposed to be 1:20 and then ended up being 1:1. We had no clue what the intended rate was, hence it's not "bug abuse".

[fluid geode]

how???

[formal token]

this

[woeful folio]

8x silent 1x manu

[fluid geode]

whoaaa

where is manu?

[woeful folio]

1/1161 chance

same either way

whether if its in the middle, corner or w.e

It assumes if the gizmo calc has been fixed tho

[lean crescent]

I mean technically the game didn’t provide any rates at all if you want to argue that logic. They can still roll back as they didn’t release any rates at all.

[raven root]

so how is it bug abuse if we don't know it's a bug?

[lean crescent]

Because once it becomes known than others can utilize the method for easily getting things that were not intended as such. That is the abuse when multiple people manipulate it and progress further compared to others.

[raven root]

how do you know we were not intended to get them easily if they didn't state the rate?

[lean crescent]

Trying to argue this is sad to be honest. Just play the game as it is intended and fairly for all.

[solid tundra]

on a technical level, it could be leaning more to a "oversight abuse" than explicitly "bug abuse", where it's seemingly higher rate than it should be expected by common sense for a rare component. (where previously, really only knightly was an exemption for easy to get ones)

so, it's debatable on semantics. the "abuse" aspect would depend on the general output compared to the players who wouldn't, and how much of a true advantage it would bring.

e.g. if it produced more tradable items, or items which generally cost more overall to get, then it can lead to more issues. but, if it's closer to a "this did not generate any meaningful output, but best to patch" it can lead to a case-by-case scenario.

[raven root]

at least you're self-aware

[jaunty wyvern]

What world is dwarf trader world?

[lean crescent]

Back to y’all posting updates though on what you find for the best perks you make!

[solid tundra]

still in the end better to correct, and adapt to the general feedback after its fixed than argue semantics. if jagex does do anything against higher-profile variants of it (usually showcasing more intent to abuse the oversight) then it's a case-by-case thing.

[fluid geode]

does anyone have a good wild runes combo?

[fluid geode]

with extreme invention potion?

[oak lagoon]

Without

[fluid geode]

what about the thieving perks?

[long harness]

1 3a 4 manu in a normal tool gizmo

at like lvl 30 inv

join me afking outside gwd cause this is still aparently the only way to lower invention

[fluid geode]

so its better to lower inv?

[long harness]

cant get it otherwise i believe

becomes 1/4 at 30 though

[fluid geode]

ok applies to ancient invention?

[long harness]

for obliv prosper

[jaunty wyvern]

I got it with 4 or so manu parts in ancient gizmo at 120

[long harness]

whats the rate on that though

[jaunty wyvern]

explosive + oblivious

[long harness]

oh

[jaunty wyvern]

idk, i did 2 gizmos

[long harness]

this is for obliv prosper

[jaunty wyvern]

Oh!

[last pagoda]

is there a use for obliv when i already have 99

[jaunty wyvern]

200m is a thing

[long harness]

plenty of stuff stuns u at 99

[last pagoda]

whats worth on an iron?

[long harness]

and new thieving content is soontm

i mean im an iron, just making the normal bis

[oak lagoon]

New thieving content coming so props worth it even if 200m

[long harness]

peak ironman gaming, letting the snow slowly nuke my stats

[last pagoda]

id prob make the bag so i can afk menophite marketerrs harder

[long harness]

if u wanna comp u need 2 bags 2 rods

to own em after anyways

one bag can be t1 but the rod u hand in has to be the crystal one

[last pagoda]

t2 bags seem hard to upkeep on an early iron

[long harness]

dont think ud da em period lol

[jaunty wyvern]

not really, no

[last pagoda]

what about t1

prob not ether

just stick to combat

[long harness]

t1 isnt as bad

prob very fast to level too

[last pagoda]

they only nerfed necroplasm right, flatpacks still the same

[long harness]

ez

[half badge]

does/supposed to Careless work at Gate of Elidinis? was hoping for 100% success chance on mining in there, but first run had 2 splashes before swapping sides, so i don't think it works

i know Explosive specifically states core rocks, but Careless doesn't

[solid tundra]

Am i doing this right?

[fluid geode]

oblivious is thieving

[swift lion]

magnificent

[long harness]

if doing abyss rcing with the new mainhand.. u gotta unequip wildy sword each time

thats a bummer i didnt think about

[long harness]

its only 1 extra click but i feel id forget it sometimes

[raven root]

isn't there an arch perk that sends you to the center anyway?

[random mist]

Does the wild runes perk work at the ourania altar?

[long harness]

u still tele to edge with the sword

[raven root]

ah

[hearty shale]

does anyone know if polishing works on animica -> primal ores?

[hushed pollen]

Is there a combo for careless and tinker? Using the wiki rn and its a mess.

[fluid geode]

did u lower stats or use extreme invention?

[primal relic]

extreme

[swift lion]

1/39 for c5t1, 1/470 for c5t2

i would just stay rapid4 tinker4 or swap one of them out for a regular careless 5, but maybe there's better combos idk

[hushed pollen]

Appreciate it

I was using clockwork comps

[swift lion]

yeah those mess it up since they can give other perks as well

[timid swallow]

How do you make the carved rod of pure essence?

[solid tundra]

iirc melt 100 of each elemental rune, and 20 pure ess, in a furnace. then carve it.

[timid swallow]

iirc?

[solid tundra]

if i remember/recall correctly

[timid swallow]

Thanks!

[solid tundra]

in the smelt menu, use the pure ess icon.

[random mist]

Feels like elemental metal would make for a nice binding rod

[proud pollen]

Non-3a
15% chance for Oblivious/Prosper at level 20
https://runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Perks#a%3D1%26l%3D20%26g%3D3%26m%3D81%252C81%252C81%252C81%252C81%252C78%252C78%252C27%252C27

[gray sigil]

Nice view

[swift lion]

tysm!

[gray sigil]

heh buy one per one in 2025

[rich mango]

is there set bis items to D/A for new components now or still figuring out post hot fix?

[hearty shale]

is it intentional that you can't upgrade the base binding rod after equipping it?

[azure horizon]

Seems silly that you would have to make a new one just to upgrade.

[fickle hound]

I mean it’s just Jagex at its best, release something and realize it’s wrong still.

[royal isle]

Never understood why you have better odds at a perk the lower your invention level is.. seems kind of counter intuitive and less rewarding for others who level up

[hearty shale]

you have better odds of getting different perks at different levels

[proud pollen]

It's sadly just part of how things are calculated in the back. They have said they want to look at it, but that hasn't happened yet.
Surely it's a good reason to create EW5 with some kind of device that lets you set your invention level

[royal isle]

I’m aware and it’s flawed lol

[hearty shale]

it literally isn't

[royal isle]

How so? lol

[azure horizon]

It's definitely flawed. I should be rewarded for having a HIGHER level in a skill, not a lower level.

[royal isle]

Exactly. It’s pretty simple logic lol

[azure horizon]

Congrats! You hit 120 invention! Now if you want certain perks you have to artificially lower your level that you just spent so much time on!

[hearty shale]

how would the game go about determining that the perk you actually want to get is flanking instead of enhanced efficient when using clockwork components in a weapon gizmo

and therefore give you the best odds at the highest level

[azure horizon]

Hmm, maybe somehow give you a choice if those two roll?

[royal isle]

Idk.. make specific components for specific perks? And make the combos less complicated as well? ^thats a good option too

[azure horizon]

There are solutions, Vad. Don't pretend it's not stupid we have to lower our Invention level.

[royal isle]

Point being there are better options than having to artificially nuke your invention level lol

[hearty shale]

both of those suggestions feel incredibly uninspired

[royal isle]

Uninspired lol? I know I’m being trolled by a frog now 😂

[azure horizon]

Lol. Don't be mad that multiple people disagreed with you. Needing to lower your Invention level to get certain perks is incredibly stupid. I'm sure someone at Jagex can come up with a better solution, since that's their job. I don't get paid to develop this game.

[hearty shale]

leveling up your invention gives you a better chance at receiving certain perks right?

that means that at lower levels, you are by definition more likely to receive OTHER perks than the ones you get at 120

it just so happens the one you want is not the best chance at level 120

[azure horizon]

We understand how Invention works and we also understand that needing to lower your level is asinine.

[hearty shale]

anyways, it's not a problem

[royal isle]

I feel a good amount of self esteem helps oneself from time to time lol

[royal isle]

Is*

[half badge]

Children please

[last salmon]

is there a meta for offcut comps

[azure horizon]

Maybe the solution is this: If you roll a perk at a higher level, but ALSO could have rolled for a lower level perk, you get a message stating, "You rolled for X perk, however, a lower level perk of Y is also available. Which perk would you like?" Then you aren't penalized for having higher Invention, but still have a chance at lower level perks if you want them. @hearty shale ^^^

[royal isle]

Marble cape racks worked pretty good for me but expensive

[azure horizon]

I bought some Mahogany flatpacks.

[last salmon]

guaranteed comps or nah?

[azure horizon]

Nothing is guaranteed in life. 😂

[last salmon]

gg

[azure horizon]

Jk. Idk about marble stuff, but mahogany wasn't guaranteed.

[royal isle]

Marble was

Buttt that was before hot patch like 3 hours ago. Didn’t know the powerful necroplasm was a thing and didn’t get to take advantage of that for the manufactured comps

[last salmon]

classic early bird special strikes again

[inland raptor]

So only the oblivious perk works for the thieving mainhand?

[glacial lance]

For now - Prosper is intended to work as well but it's bugged atm

[inland raptor]

I see, ty

Although it would be Nice for more thieving perks

But the only ideas i have are only buffs

[hearty shale]

what abotu fortune

[inland raptor]

Thieving is not a gathering skill

So it doesnt work

[spiral axle]

Do any of the artisan perks work for runecrafting?

[delicate moss]

any good mining combos kn own yet?

[rare plank]

Can't I just keep my pickaxe in my invo and simply use explosive wielding the crystal binding rod?

[delicate moss]

for gate specificly**

assuming not using garg scrolls

[storm bluff]

best arch perk material combos known so far?

if I'm correct honed6/pres5 & hasty5/prosper?

[rotund tide]

i would like if the scrap perk would have levels/ ranks, like in rank 5 it gives 5 material when the material caches deplete, without it, it seems useless af, i would prefer just use imp souled

[steady ridge]

As far as I know you never need to discover anything to receive components from disassembly, the blueprints are only for the ability to use them in a gizmo

[glossy viper]

Ah. It's just hard to get them O_o

[rough bobcat]

any thoughts on fortune 3 naturalist 3 for gathering?

[golden ravine]

are there any useful perks for the RC mainhand? the new RC perk is just bad. and the existing ones don't seem to trigger when RCing.

[steady ridge]

Is her “miniquest” required for anything other than comp cape? Doesn’t seem to me like it’s part of any core progression or anything like that

[primal relic]

probably necessary when one type of comp can give 5 different perks - one of them would have best chance at high level invention and another at low level

[rare plank]

Polishing

[glossy viper]

Yeah, I just checked her article. It's stupid. Not going to complete her BS.

Especially given the cost.

[primal relic]

scavenging perk unless you're extremely rich

[glossy viper]

Like there should at least be the option for people who complete their shit to kill her.

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Polishing

[glossy viper]

I suppose I'm overreacting, but it seems like a very poor design decision to put an NPC who scams you in a place where it'd seem they'd give you something useful.

[glacial lance]

tbf that is exactly why her scam works 😂

[golden ravine]

really? hardly a gathering skill... also won't help me much as I doubt it can upgrade time runes 😛

[glossy viper]

Yeah, true. But it more seems like Jagex is pulling a scam that way considering the amount of resources needed to make the items.

[primal relic]

she disappears after you give her both items

[solid tundra]

tbh it should hopefully teach players a bit as well in the process that not everything is what it seems.

it's effectively a "turn in for an achievement" but a nudge on how to get them made as an incentive.

you then can make another set for yourself.

it could* technically lead to more thematic dialogue in the future, but nothing is set in stone atm

who knows, maybe you'll see them again one day, ||since they seemingly know you||

[tawny isle]

There was a mention about a shady npc in the invention guild in last week’s news post. Any word on if this is in game?

[glossy viper]

-nods- Thats understandable. It's mostly the way the NPC is presented that I take offense to. If she'd been stuck in some unrelated corner of the world and not directly alluded to in a previous news post, it would have been fine.

But she was mentioned in a previous news post and put right in front of the guild. And yes, that's who were talking about. Don't bother with her unless you're chasing comps.

She's about as useful as the armor trimmers of yore

[subtle stag]

So there's no point in upgrading crafted stuff to +5 for manufactured comps correct?

[glossy viper]

You do get more components per dis that way. It's not straight 1:1 with logs, but if you're fletching eternal magics for XP, it's not that bad.

[lethal kayak]

anyone know how much xp you get from the restored artifacts you get with preservationist perk?

[swift lion]

the xp is unchanged, still the same xp you get for excavating a damaged artefact

[lethal kayak]

alright, thanks

[little wadi]

hey jagex, maybe having 5 different perk for manufactured component wasnt good balancing?

[small bane]

was it intended for the binding rod not to gain levels in the runespan? i feel like that doesnt make sense

[random mist]

read the examine

[small bane]

i mean the examine doesnt exactly mean its just alter though i feel like saying read the examine is kinda dumb since examines are usually like lore and such. i did examine it but i do not feel the not gaining exp in runespan makes any sense at all

[random mist]

ain't no altars in the runespan, are there?

"You think you could channel the power of altars to bind runes using this rod."

[small bane]

again the examine text doesnt usually play into game mechanics. i feel restrciting the binding rods to alters only is extremely stupid since most use the runespan anyways

[random mist]

i'm mostly pointing it out, because the intent seems pretty clear

[small bane]

maybe but not all the time

it could be a bug and an unintended effect we wont know unless the devs themselves say something which they havent

[random mist]

I mean the use case is pretty verbatim here.
but there could be a version for the runespan down the line.

a 5% rune increase doesn't apply in the runespan either due to them being single crafts at a time

[small bane]

why do that when they can just fix the binding rod to do that?

[random mist]

some of the perks might be nice though

different tools, for different jobs

[small bane]

sure but the reality is why make more tools when they can just make an already existing item do that job. plus i think they really shafted runecrafting with this update and theiving as well perk wise

[random mist]

odd choice of words when it went from no support to some support

[small bane]

perk wise runecrafting got 1 perk in this update which is really dumb imo and not a good update

at the very least id have expected 3 or 4 perks for runecrafting and theiving

[random mist]

1 exclusive perk for the skill, but a few existing ones work with it

[swift lion]

i agree it would be better to just make the binding rod work there too

[pliant nebula]

without aura

[swift lion]

even though i never even runespan

[swift lion]

any reason for the coil?

[pliant nebula]

i got tired of resetting the guards

[swift lion]

ah ic ic

[pliant nebula]

so i chose violence

[swift lion]

any clue how many grapevine seeds/hour?

[small bane]

yeah but the point of the update was to add runecrafting and theiving based stuff which they did but it was very very negligible. sure we got the main hand augmented items but to only give 1 perk to runecrafting and 1 theiving perk is such a bad way to say we are gonna give you an update to invention by adding more perks and such and give runecrafting and theiving main hands but we are gonna shaft you all on the perks for runecrafting and thieving by only giving you 1 perk each it makes no sense

[random mist]

there's like 3 perk setups for runecrafting depending on what you want to use it for though?

[glacial lance]

ooo, that's nice! What are you doing for sustain?

[small bane]

3 compared to how many the other skills have though insane to me

[random mist]

well, give it time and more will be added

[pliant nebula]

exc

[glacial lance]

excal by itself suffices? that's good to know, ty 👀

[small bane]

i mean id have much rahter had to wait a bit longer to get the full update than one that just seems lazy for a lack of better words. i feel if they put more time and effort and asked the community for perk ideas they would have easily been able to come up with better perks and the update would have been so much better

dont get me wrong i appreciate all the devs do but this update feels incredibly lack luster for runecrafting and thieving

[random mist]

well it was always intended to be small in scope

[pliant nebula]

this isnt small its tiny

[small bane]

exactly

[swift lion]

which of the perks have you tried so far

[small bane]

it feels more like a ninja hot fix than it did an actual update

[swift lion]

because the ones i've done so far feel huge

[pliant nebula]

i could have coded this shit in a DAY,

they added 1 "new" object, recolored another one, a few images for 2 new materials, and called it aday

[small bane]

i was looking forward to the runecrafting stuff but the fact 1) the rod doesnt level in runespan and 2) it doesnt have any perks to use in the runespan and 3) runecrafting and thieving both got shafted for perks in this update is honestly why i have such an issue with the update being called an update since it was supposed to focus on invention, theiving, and runecrafting it feels more like just a general update than a major one at this point. plus i feel like they could have easily come up with perks to use in the runespan

[random mist]

polishing doesn't work in the runespan then?

[small bane]

it honestly makes no sense for the rod to not level in the runespan since every other invention tool levels in its respective skill just by training said skill but the runecrafting one somehow doesnt

[random mist]

does the hammertron gain xp from smelting?
that seems incorrect since you don't 'hammer' when smelting ores

[small bane]

yes it does actually

hammertron gains exp when you smelt ores into bars its very minor exp but it does gain it

[random mist]

seems incorrect to me, but oh well

[small bane]

and some of the perks work with smelting too

[random mist]

i'd imagine that's in part for practical reasons

[small bane]

its why i said not letting the binding rod level in runespan is something that doesnt make sense

[swift lion]

hammertron smelting is a good precedent for runespan rod, true

[random mist]

does the pyro-matic work when creating incense sticks though?

[swift lion]

it gains xp from most non-log burning firemaking actions afaik

also from dino fm

[small bane]

exactly thats why i said the binding rod should work with the runespan

hell binding rod should work with necro runes too but it doesnt

[swift lion]

it does

[small bane]

i mean in terms of the new perk sorry should have calrified

[swift lion]

the ourania altar perk?

[random mist]

the other perks work just fine

[small bane]

yeah or at the very least added a 2nd runecrafting perk for necro runes

hell they could have added at least 3 perks to runecrafting 1 runespan 1 necro rune and 1 normal runes

[swift lion]

necro runes are already insanely fast lol and polishing is massive for it

[small bane]

yeah but the point is they could have added more perks for runecrafting and thieving instead of giving us just 1 each compared to the other 5 perks that work with the other skills which already had a lot of perks to use with them

over 90% of the update perk wise was for skills that already have perks to use. i honestly thought this update was to make sure runecrafting and theiving got the same level perk respect that the other skills have

[steady ridge]

[[lea]]

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Lea

[raven root]

where is this?

[pliant nebula]

my basement

also known as keldagrim

[hard imp]

So careless+explosive is the best for exp but how much ore per hour do you lose out on without rockertunities? Has anyone gotten a place where the math was done on that?

[swift lion]

rockertunities make a massive difference and also increase your xp

[hard imp]

So honed + careless would probably still be the best for actual ore gathering then?

[swift lion]

there are a lot of multipliers for rockertunities that things would depend on but i think clicking 1 rockertunity would be roughly comparable to like 30 swings boosted by explosive

as in, not the total damage done by those 30 swings but the increase from explosive in those 30 swings

for active mining i'd go honed with a combination of naturalist and careless probably

[steady ridge]

Rockertunities are what, 6x progress? How often (how many swings apart) do they spawn?

[hard imp]

I wonder if careless+naturalist would be better for ore gathering… I guess it depends on how consistent honed is procing.

[swift lion]

honed is always by far the best for resources gathered/hour

[swift lion]

max multiplier is 8, spawn average every 10-12 swings id say

[hard imp]

So for gathering I’ll need to create a new L&D with honed+careless

[swift lion]

[[paradox]]

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Paradox

[hard imp]

And careless+explosive for exp

[swift lion]

lasts roughly as long as a rockertunity would take to spawn

it all works out pretty nicely together i think

[hard imp]

Hasty+Preservationist+balarak brush seems like a no brainer for fastest artifact gathering for tetras.

[swift lion]

so do we know whether careless works at gate yet?

[hard imp]

Haven’t been able to get on to test it

It be great if it could help offset not quite getting a full ore each hit in south side so it’s even more chill.

[rotund tide]

what is the best perks for mining rn?

[random mist]

flint and steel

[zinc radish]

I love how we got punished for not logging in when the update went live

Classic jagex

[lost grotto]

what do you d/a for manufactured now?

[gilded timber]

whatd i miss

[steady ridge]

Probably a reference to necroplasm being changed to disassemble in batches of 20

[gilded timber]

oh damn, ouch

how long ago was this changed

[zinc radish]

Like right after patch, maybe couple hr

[rotund tide]

i bought 8k powerful necroplasm in my main and got like 74 manufactured comps, so i think its still in meta

[gilded timber]

what's powerful necroplasm going for r/n?

[rotund tide]

idk, i bought it 870 gp each 30 min ago

[zinc radish]

It's still the best way for it

But it's 20x worse

Now

[rotund tide]

lets just say that before was xtremely good, thats why it got nerfed

[stark parrot]

Please at least look at the drain rate on the binding rod and crystal binding rod, the runecrafting tools introduced in this patch. Their drainrate is completely out of line with how much they charge per essence, with how much you end up crafting. Right now a crystal binding rod running through the abyss can be exceed 20k charge per hour. By comparison, an augmented mattock of space and time maxes out at 4387 per hour and is usually lower. This is wildly out of line with other tools, which have historically had a low drain rate. The runecrafting tool is one of the worst tools as far as perks go, so it truly makes no sense to nail this item with such a high drain rate.

[random mist]

just runecraft slower

[pseudo gazelle]

Is there a chat for recipes with best odds?

or a 'bis' channel

[crimson pumice]

Are there any plans to add more useful thieving perks? I feel like it got pretty neglected compared to runecrafting. No success chance increase? Honed could be added to it

[zinc radish]

Mfw the "rune crafting and thieving" invention update was more of an update for already existing perked skills 💀💀💀💀

Jagex are not sending their finest!

[plush prawn]

I was thinking the same, hurts to be on the otherside of the world. Oh well it is what it is but ouch

[last pagoda]

what are the bis arch perks for ironmen

[rotund tide]

i heard that honed 6 + preservionist is possible but rare af

[raven root]

200+ manu from less than 1k power necroplasm earlier

[pseudo gazelle]

honed 6 pres 3 is good with 6 manu and 3 sharp

[karmic stirrup]

kinda important qn: will hasty ever proc on a spear tip/sash brush piece/staff piece

cause those are material rolls

[hard imp]

I mean 110 thieving is the last 110 planned for this year so if we got some probably there.

[pseudo gazelle]

what theiving perks are there?

just oblivious

?

[tropic current]

It was something raised when we got closer to the launch date that the name was a bit off, it was called Augmented RC & T cause of the mainhands and we had to lock in the name back in like Jan/Feb cause it needed to be locked in for Runefest assets, if I was naming it closer to date it probably would have been something more "Invention Update: Skilling Perks" or something of that nature

[zinc radish]

That's fair, while you're here revisit rates on comps thanks beast 🤝

[tropic current]

Rates are feeling alright atm, maybe furs needs a bit of a buff but we will see how the data looks after a little more time

[rotund tide]

what about buff talisman rates?

[crimson pumice]

It's still disappointing to get only one perk that specifically helps with thieving. Even if 110 is planned

[hard imp]

Any word on explosive apparently still getting rockertunities?

[fickle ridge]

Has anyone math'd whether its better to keep rapid or tinker to combo with careless5 prosper

[stark parrot]

depends on what you're smithing and how. faster items like gloves/boots which remain at high heat for longer will benefit more from tinker, as rapid will crater your heat super fast, even if you're using autoheater and/or superheat prayer. if you're active, rapid always wins, same if you're smithing bulkier pieces like platebodies where heat will definitely be hitting 0 heat early in the process.

careless is bis tho that much is sure, +50% progress is unbeatable

[primal relic]

14x with pb of opportunity at primal ores, 7x without

[fluid geode]

even better hasty combo lfg

[karmic stirrup]

oh huh

that seems to be pretty low chance

there's a better hasty prosper but it needs clockwork (on wiki now)

[swift lion]

holy hell 20k charge per hour is insane

[mighty stag]

Is it known, whether Prosper will work for Thieving as well?

[glacial lance]

Eventually yes - it's currently bugged so it doesn't but they're working on it ^^

[mighty stag]

Thanks 😊 That is awesome!

[fluid geode]

any naturalist combos?
for wc and fishing esp

[fluid geode]

will honed be useful for rc?

[glacial lance]

no idea, sorry, I haven't played around with the update yet

[fluid geode]

i see

[karmic stirrup]

there's a bunch on the wiki now https://runescape.wiki/w/Naturalist

the cheap easy options are Nat 5 or Nat5/Scraps

other combos are pricier

oh Nat 5/Fort 2 is ok too

there's prob a furnace combo somewhere

doesn't seem to combo with prosper cheaply

hmm, found one without 3rd age but chance kinda low

[swift lion]

you would expect irons to go for h6p nat5fort2 and mainscapers to go nat5x furn4prosper, right?

[karmic stirrup]

for what skill

I can't imagine sacrificing Honed for Naturalist, though I'm not that sure how effective Nat is

the skill where you might drop honed is mining, but you'd replace it with careless (there's an careless/nat combo but the nat is more a bonus)

[swift lion]

hmm didnt know mains cared about honed, i thought they just used it because there's no more xp perks other than wise. i guess you could get nat5h2 but you're right

[karmic stirrup]

Honed affects gather success for wc and fish

so that directly affects both loot and xp

[swift lion]

lmao okay mb i had it in my head that honed works like it does for mining for all skills

[hollow zenith]

Any idea which are best perks for croesus and gate of elidnis now, i have 200m xp so Im not xp focused?

[karmic stirrup]

Should be Honed 6 + Careless 5/Naturalist 5

omit Careless for wc/fish

Naturalist can proc in the encounters

[subtle dirge]

honed isn't good for gate

[karmic stirrup]

right yeah you can skip it and just have Careless + Nat on separate gizmos (assuming you're mining the big rocks)

but it means that pick is only doing Gate

[swift lion]

nice

[tropic current]

Got a video/image of it occuring?

[solid tundra]

the only location i recall players saying an ore specifically was banite. (i think its considered a core ore?)

but i seen some confusion where people did non-core ores like shards of elli's nodes (which wouldn't work by intention bc non-core)

[cunning venture]

If you don't care about catching fish (Croesus Front), isn't Furnace 4 better than Naturalist ?

[karmic stirrup]

probably

Above convo was about the boss though

[crimson pumice]

No

[crimson pumice]

Furnace doesn't work at croesus anyway

[tropic current]

Prosper has been hotfixed to function with RC and Thieving mainhands

[swift lion]

w00t

[pliant nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-patrick-magic-conch-shell-gif-5486197 @tropic current

[cunning venture]

Not the encounter itself, but I train at the Colonised Guards

[pliant nebula]

any word on if they are thinking of nerfing dwarven traders

[oak lagoon]

https://www.reddit.com/r/runescape/comments/1kl7xqy/crystal_binding_rod_has_a_much_larger_charge/ Is this a known issue?

[spring ermine]

Was dwarven traders fixed?

[subtle dirge]

I got 1kc little sus so I'm self-banned from doing any Croesus, so a Gate-only pick is probably pretty niche but relevant to my interests

[split spade]

does explosive get rid of geodes?
been mining primal for 45 mins with explosive/refined2 and my otherwise normal previous set up (perfect juju, etc.) and have received 0 geodes. idk if this is intended (was never stated) or a bug with explosive

it doesn't. was just weird/bad rng

[cunning venture]

Anyone know the best way to drain Invention level for Oblivious/Propser ?

[split spade]

stand outside gwd1 entrance

bring excalibur and maybe 3-4 pieces of food. once you hit your desired level tele out to wars as the ongoing stat drain will interrupt your gizmo interface

[cunning venture]

Thank you, Wiki says I need to drop to level 19 in order to have the best chances

[split spade]

if you just want oblivious and don't care what other perk is there (i.e. you're not going for Oblivious+Prosper) then just do this. cheap and doesn't require draining to lvl 18

[karmic stirrup]

not much point using this combo now that there's one without 3rd age that has a decent rate

[cunning venture]

This one ?

[karmic stirrup]

yeah

[split spade]

fair enough. can't keep track of all the gizmo changes so I hadn't seen this one. makes sense to use this instead

[cunning venture]

Yeah, best combos evolve rapidly since the update is still recent

[split spade]

100%. I just wish they had repurposed some old components a bit better

right now there's 8 or so new perks, almost all of which use some combo of offcut and manufactured. so by changing 1 of those comps for another or changing position you can go from naturalist to wild runes to explosive to hasty and so forth. makes this process super confusing and irritating.

[cunning venture]

Right now, I only watch for Oblivious, Explosive. Hasty may be good too (unless you need damaged artefact for XP). But Naturalist doesn't seem great for fishing : 5% change to get a 10% chance double fish vs Furnace 4 that gives me 20% to consume 2nd fish for xp

[split spade]

yeah I'm really not sure how naturalist fits in to all this yet. in places like ghostly soles as you mentioned furnace may just be better for xp. for deep sea swarm if you want to keep fish then naturalist is nice but what do you have to replace it with. plus the catch rate is (s)low at deep sea fish swarm so you won't get many naturalist procs anyway.

currently testing explosive and careless perks. explosive/refined2 was easy to make and has been nice so far for those of us that want geodes. will have to go for explosive/carless next and see if careless is indeed fine for afk primal ore

[karmic stirrup]

Naturalist is decent in part because the competition is pretty weak

for fishing and wc

[cunning venture]

I currently AFK at Croesus Front (Guards, Shark outfit eats the Algae) and Furnace is better than the chance Naturalist would give me.

[karmic stirrup]

yeah if you're going for xp use furnace

but for me I always avoid furnace

naturalist can also proc in croesus/gate which is cool

[cunning venture]

Yeah, Furnace for XP, but at 200m I might switch to Naturalist

[raven root]

swear I'm going crazy, can't find this spot. where the heck in Keldagrim?

[cunning venture]

Keldagrim is underground. Dwarves story line. LOTD has a teleport option

[split spade]

what are you looking for in Keldagrim?

[raven root]

I know lol, meant the exact spot he had screenshotted

[raven root]

this one

[split spade]

this is the 2nd floor of the dwarven consortium (or whatever it's called). it's the large building that connects east and west keldagrim. this is where dwarven traders are located

[raven root]

yeah I just realized that, looks different with my settings

[split spade]

tele via lotd and enter giant building to your east then go up one flight of stairs and you're there. he's in the center room.
or take minecart from grand exchange, go north and west into building, up one flight of stairs and you're there.

yeah that screenshot has a weird skybox and i think the highlight thing is high contrast mode or something? (not entirely sure)

[drowsy relic]

To start investing in new perks now, or do I wait for potential nerfs/tweaks/changes 🤔

[elder walrus]

new perks are semi cheap atleast the basic none comboed versions

[crimson pumice]

Was prosper actually fixed for thieving? Did 2 hours without a single proc

[cunning venture]

Is Hasty 5 + Preservationist 5 a better choice than Imp Souled for Arch?

[rotund tide]

it all depends what is your goal and your playstyle, and especially if u are main or iron

if u want xp and get a lot of artifacts (being a main) i wouldnt care about preservationist perk

[cunning venture]

My goal will be to 200m Arch, so I guess it's better to use Imp Souled then. I wonder if using Hasty will make that you get too many artefacts ans not enough materials to restore them without buying materials on GE

[rotund tide]

in general u always be lacking of materials for your artefacts (im an ironman with more than 400m arch xp), is on you if u want to farm those material or just buy them form ge

if u can buy the material i suggest hasty, if no, just use imp souled

[karmic stirrup]

I saw ppl get it

chance is 1/2560 so pretty low

[karmic stirrup]

buying mats on GE is usually profitable for a main

relative to chronote value

iirc invention comp value was higher than that

I do like having a better profit margin though so I think I'll still use preservationist

[crimson pumice]

Yeah I guess it works. Finally got one lol

[proud plover]

I assume if you get pked they want you to lose the crystal binding rod? to keep invention mat costs up maybe? I just spent 20mins making one, then lost it within another 20. I'm just like.. alright

[distant skiff]

Have yall had naturalist trigger? Mining over 4 hours with over 2000 light animica collected and nada

[supple hare]

i think yall are not really understanding what this update was. The reason that it was advertised as thieving and runecrafting was simply because they were finally getting items to augment for the skills. You should really just think of it as a skilling invention update.

[zinc radish]

should i "think" of it differently, or should it be worded and delivered differently?

who's truly at fault

[supple hare]

i mean both if you want to blame anyone? Theres no reason to blame, theres a pretty valid reason for a company to market it this way, and we all saw what was coming when they announced all the additions and realized only 3-4 perks actually work with the skills. Gotta learn how to manage expectations

[karmic stirrup]

are you using porters

currently it doesn't work with porters

likely a bug, apparently this affected gim tasks too or something

[distant skiff]

Yeah porters. Ok so its just bugged. I was about to say - ive gotten several prosper and 4 hours not one naturalist. Makes sense

[snow bronze]

would it be possible for elite dungeons relics to drop offcut components? I used a really big pile of them and got 0 out of them

[lost grotto]

It is but it's rare

I would prefer go scavanging

or marble flatpacks

[steady ridge]

There are very, very few items that are [[kept on death]] in dangerous pvp

[stark karma]

Wiki links found:
https://runescape.wiki/w/Items_Kept_on_Death

[steady ridge]

(If any?)

Okay, I stand corrected, if I’m reading this right there are a couple thousand of them, but they’re mostly mtx/event stuff, tokens, arch pages that you destroy anyway, etc. https://runescape.wiki/w/Special:Search?limit=500&ns0=1&offset=0&search=insource%3Aalwaysinclwild

But not exclusively, and definitely a lot more than I thought

[dreamy ice]

So are protean essence not supposed to work with crystal rod or is it bugged like prosper?

[proud plover]

Yeah just felt weird to have new essence pouch be kept but not this other item. Oh well

[swift lion]

Is it known whether Careless and Explosive affect things like crit damage and damage bonus from familiars like a lava titan? As in, does the % boost stack with everything?

[willow scarab]

they would work together yes. idk if its additive or multiplicative (im sure its additive tbh). lava titan adds a 10 damage regardless of those perks existing

[swift lion]

As in, you would expect a 226 hit to turn into a 248 with careless 5, then get the +140 crit damage added after that?

[willow scarab]

they either add up like that OR it can apply after one or the other

so 100 mining damage + explosive would be 120

then add the 10 from lava

tbh idk the exact scenario but we do know it adds in a way

[swift lion]

wait are you talking about whether careless and explosive work together?

i was mostly wondering whether they affect the additional crit damage at all but sounds like either no or we don't know

[willow scarab]

referencing this. I could have misunderstood your statement as a whole.

it does benefit just dont know the exact amount and the exact way

[main raft]

Any news on why the mushroom bag doesn’t work for the trim achievement but u do need the upgraded rod?
Makes no sense whatsoever and it’s not the first time this has happened

[rotund tide]

what are the chances to get a little buff for new rare perks combinations?:D

[safe nova]

I'm glad to see rune crafting getting some attention, but I have to admit that wild runes perk is really not that enticing.

When you compare the steep cost of the augmented binding Rod, with the small proc chance, and that it creates a loss on all good runes, and is marginally useful even on air runes...

There's no use case where I'd find Wild Runes worthwhile

[zinc radish]

its legit only good for sub 100 rc irons to make time runes for the week

and even then, i think you can make 60 at ourania before it would proc

🤣

[stark parrot]

have to agree, even in ironman mode, it's very underwhelming. an hour of active abyss+air runes with maximum multipliers ended up like this:

and that's at 110 (+extreme potion, if that matters for the ourania distribution). even in its "most broken" form, it's nothing to write home about

[plain rain]

yep. very upsetting

needs a rework or the proc chance needs a buff, or have it scale to give more catalytic than elemental based on rc level or something

idk

in its current state, it's pretty bad

[supple hare]

where are the bloods? did you not do the quest for the altar?

[stark parrot]

LOL fair question. the quest wouldn't matter, as the ourania effect would ignore that, i just forgot to include them (or they were in the next row of inventory, idk). i had it spreadsheeted tho, it was 970 bloods

also not included were 29 abyssal runic synapses, since you can't even fit that in a single invent . since everybody wants to build 29 more masterwork staves after just one hour of RCing

[supple hare]

i see haha

[safe nova]

I definitely agree with a rework of Wild Runes tbh

I was rerolling perks earlier that had Wild Runes when I was trying to make a Polishing 4 perk.... Because I'd lose money runecrafting with a binding Rod that has Wild Runes on it

If it granted you runes of only higher tiers, or more runes when a high level one gets switched for a low level one, or something

[supple hare]

I personally like the idea of wild runes as a niche I just think it needs 3x the proc rate

[karmic stirrup]

I would agree with that. It's slightly annoying to deal with in the perk calc but now that there's been enough experimentation we've got decent combos that exclude it when unwanted

but the perk idea itself is cool and does have some use

[rare plank]

https://tenor.com/view/sussa-gif-5432297967573209335

Still waiting for wiki to update optimal bis for new perks

[karmic stirrup]

It's updated for artisan + thieving now

gathering I have a draft

[rare plank]

Yeah I saw

Can you share the draft?

[karmic stirrup]

https://getupnote.com/share/notes/cRq6pZ0XUoQseOFtMzaWWdDABRO2/aa6bd01d-29a2-4afc-8bc0-db303cd4a892

[rare plank]

Thanks friend

[primal relic]

has anyone seen any naturalist proc with mining yet? could it be bugged? with fishing I put nat5 on my crystal rod and it works fine, about 4-5 procs per hour
with mining, I have nat4careless4 and so far did not get a single proc in several hours at novite, runite, shooting star and concentrated gold

[karmic stirrup]

are you using porters

there's a (likely) bug rn that it doesn't work with porters

[primal relic]

same problem for me
I thought maybe when it doesn't trigger on xp gain but only upon ore gain,it would have less procs but I tried at lower ores too where almost every swing gives ore, still nothing

[primal relic]

at concentrated gold yes, at the others I didn't

[karmic stirrup]

hmm idk then

[primal relic]

I will try with copper and tin, guaranteed ore upon every swing

when it doesn't proc upon getting 150 ores, I'll consider it bugged
update: got one proc at copper and one at tin and also one at iron ore, not using porters but having premier artefact porter buff and shooting star sprite buff active (so apparently these don't cause issues - though the nat procs were never at the same time premier porter activated)

[fluid geode]

does anyone know of a combo for honed 6 prosper without 3a?

[distant skiff]

Yeah turning off porters and using ore box it finally worked on mining. I think the bug is porters because on my hatchet it wouldn’t proc until I turned off GOTE. But then naturalist did proc with Always Adze relic woodcutting. 🫩

[karmic stirrup]

it's not possible at a reasonable rate

it's like, 1/2k rate, 2b cost

[fluid geode]

pain

what about rapid/tinker prosper?

[primal relic]

prosper is possible from 2+ timeworn comps, rapid 4 needs 7+ enhancing or shifting so rapid4prosper is possible without 3a
tinker might be easier to combine though, only 6+ clockwork needed for tinker4

could try 6 clockwork+ 3 timeworn

[karmic stirrup]

these are both normally 3rd age. I know that there's no reasonable Rapid 4/Prosper combo without 3a (even the one with 3a is ridiculous post nerf)

Tinker I'm less sure but not finding anything good with experimentation (best I got is a 1/678 2b combo)

@proud pollen can you check this

Careless 5/Prosper is the one that's doable without 3a for smithing (on wiki). still costs quite a bit

[proud pollen]

Unfortunately there are no realistic non-3a configurations for Rapid4Prosper, the highest chance is ~0.009%.
Tinker4Prosper is doable, but still on the pricy side. 3.20% chance at level 19 https://runescape.wiki/w/Calculator:Perks#g%3D3%26l%3D19%26a%3D1%26m%3D78%252C50%252C78%252C50%252C50%252C50%252C50%252C50%252C50

[safe nova]

What perks are you guys going to use on your binding rods?

[supple hare]

Polishing 4, Prosper and I saw someone mention Hording 2 which is really smart if using the demonic skull

If you want a 2nd rod for wild runes you can but i dont think its worth it

atm

[stark parrot]

hoarding doesn't work in pvp, plus necessitates constant prayer restoration to work due to abyss drain

[supple hare]

ah see i literally never even knew about hoarding until yesterday xd

[drifting parcel]

Was really hoping Prosper on the Pickpocketing bag would've surpassed the clue scroll rate via Smithing.

[cunning venture]

I've put Oblivious + Propser on Thieving Bag. You need 5x Manufactured, 2x Timeworn, 2x Evasive and to drop your Invention level to 19

[proud pollen]

There's a different (better) version now, basically all perk combos are on wiki atm

[lost grotto]

okay they nerfed the dwarves

[supple hare]

More damage? Or less xp

[proud pollen]

Neither, they're not nerfed (yet)

[zinc radish]

Is it op because the DMG is so low so even 3x doesn't matter

[proud pollen]

Yeah. For reference: a Crux Knight deals ~1100 dmg on hit with oblivious. Arguably that's on the high side, but dwarf traders are just laughably low.

[zinc radish]

Wiki says 10, so 30? Lol

[proud pollen]

Yup

[zinc radish]

And yeah the knight hurts

[terse pivot]

What are people’s thoughts on preservation? IMO it’s a bit too low of a proc. Maybe making it 1.5% per rank or even 2% per rank would be more ideal.

[stark parrot]

I like it. It's okay for high level hot spot gathering. It's very powerful at the level 5 spot already. Only gripe was that the newspost that featured it said it would speed up guild rank ups, which isn't true as they don't count for collection logs or restored arts (typically the longest req for guildmaster).

[rotund tide]

i think it should get a better chance to obtain alongside other good perk, like honed6/pre5

[tropic current]

Dwarves will be fixed on Monday, they will do level appropriate damage, bring some food/brews to chew on

[rotund tide]

well, it was fun while it last

[prime geyser]

give someone an inch they'll ask for a mile

preservationist is arches best relic

[stone plinth]

Able to tell us what damage they’ll be if its decided so far? People have started using ice aslyum to heal others while there and i think as long as the dmg is reasonable then its a p cool way to make community thieving a bit better

[tropic current]

Their damage will have a similar formula as other pickpocketing targets, I would assume the closest comparable pickpocketing target would be Iorwerth Workers who need 91 thieving while dwarf traders need 90

[random mist]

elite combat trained elven clan workers who specialise is melee and slayer

[stark parrot]

iirc iowerth workers don't deal damage on failure haha

so perhaps not the most salient comparison

[random mist]

vs angry dwarf who noticed someone taking their gold

[silver walrus]

Can it be noted as them leveling up due to doing a lot of punching instead of being a balance change.

[steady ridge]

You’d have to ask Lea what it is that makes her interested in those specific items, I’m sure she has her reasons.

[naive stirrup]

any chance can upgrade a used theiving bag/binding rod to the upgraded version instead of a new one?

[supple hare]

Should be an insta kill if caught by a dwarf

[karmic stirrup]

heard that Naturalist might have gotten hotfixed to not work on Croesus/Gate? someone removed it from the wiki due to not getting procs

if anyone has recent evidence to the contrary I'll restore it

[warped tangle]

Poor Keldagrim, the city has received zero love in years.

And now players are coming back to the city, you decide to nerf the place.

[charred raptor]

hello Azanna, quick question regarding the runecrafting part of the update, with the rod taking the wildy sword space, now its a switch situation between the rod and wildy sword, any plans on issuing thiis?

[safe nova]

Why would they? There's alternatives

You can use Glory amulets or passage of the abyss, there's probably more

[supple hare]

brother relax lol, its not even a nerf to xp its a nerf to the ability to literally not play the game and get free xp

[supple hare]

reclaim a wildy sword 1, you can action bar it to equip and tp with just double clicking your keybind

[warped tangle]

Will you be going back to the city?

[supple hare]

I never went to begin with lol

[rare plank]

Is this good?

Spent 500 silent comps and still couldn't get Preservationist 5/Honed 6

[karmic stirrup]

it's pretty good yeah

honed only affects getting materials for arch, so losing one rank isn't going to be that bad and the preservationist combo probably more than offsets that

[rare plank]

Sweet

[stone plinth]

Idk keldagrim invention table is the closest one to a teleport so i definitely use it

But the current dwarf dmg is just laughable and insanely unbalanced

[floral widget]

Hey, just a quick tip for using willy sword. If you put it in your inventory (only 1 less ess per run is worth it) and double tap it you will tp as quickly as if it was equipped. Then you just reload your preset and no problems persist. Hope it helps!

[spark juniper]

This look good for ggg1 tetras?

[rare plank]

Top 2 best

Other is Hasty 5 Fortune 2/Prosper - Honed 6 Preservationist 5

[primal relic]

how high is it going to be?

[zinc radish]

A lot

Probably slightly more than knights

[solid tundra]

#1371427057418108968 message

so I'd assume 50 + 3% of current life points or so. up from traders being... 10.. (same as a 36 thieving cave goblin)

at least that could be a minimum assumption point

there's a fair bit of mobs that could be adjusted tbh. https://runescape.wiki/w/Thieving#Thievable_non-player_characters some are just base damage, some are base+percentage.

[crimson pumice]

Haven't seen it trigger with mining. See it very often with wc

[supple hare]

currently bugged with porters afaik

[supple hare]

ty

[primal relic]

if using porters, it won't trigger at all apparently, but without porters, I've had a few procs at copper, tin and iron but never at primal, animica or concentrated gold (which I wouldn't want to do without porters anyway)

[loud locust]

(Sorry I would put this in the farming strike thing but it’s locked) I’ve just noticed that clean and grimy kwuarm look almost identical which could be problematic

[karmic stirrup]

would it? normally your herbs tab only has one or the other

[supple hare]

mine has both

i farm kwuarm which gives clean from my outfit, but slayer mobs drop grimy which i dont clean until im ready to use

[radiant crow]

mushroomy bag is bugged I can siphon it once using my mech siphon with only crystal tool siphons in and then it tells me when I use a crystal tool siphon on the mushroomy bag that you need a crystal tool siphon to siphon a crystal tool - confusing - I dont understand why upgrade the bag and not give it higher invention tier xp like the upgraded rod o matic or divine o matic

[karmic stirrup]

but it does give higher tier xp

or at least it's supposed to

[karmic stirrup]

I see. normally I don't get that many from slayer so I clean those immediately (or herb bag for the few unnoted ones)

gotta save that bank space

[radiant crow]

it gives me 540k when I siphon but my crystal toolbox gives 621k

[karmic stirrup]

crystal siphon siphons crystal tools at lvl 90

Enhanced invention tools siphom at 80

everything else is 70

[radiant crow]

well the bug anyway if you only h ave crystal tool siphons in mech siphon it will siphon the mushy bag once you reach target level once, thereafter the bag will not be siphoned unless you also have equipment siphons in mech siphon and that will carry on siphoning for you

the bag exceeds target level everytime with only crystal tool siphons for me in mech siphon until I add equipment siphon

[supple hare]

vyres

[subtle dirge]

does Naturalist trigger at Gate of Elidnis?

[karmic stirrup]

ppl said it did before, but then someone else tried a bunch and didn't get procs. it could have been hotfixed or maybe they were just unlucky

[simple sequoia]

Wow i really gotta read this thread when it post. I just found out about the dwarf nerf, wish i started training it right away!

[charred raptor]

thanks man! great tip 🤛🏼

[steady ridge]

That seems like the correct behavior

[steady ridge]

If it does work once, that would be the bug (and I’m curious how something like that would happen)

[pliant nebula]

Lol they are quick to nerf traders yet the mushroomy bag is still broken.

The 5% chance to speed up pickpocketing only works on the initial click for pickpocketing, after that you never roll for it again

[glacial lance]

in this case the traders are more a fix than a nerf
they ARE doing substantially less damage than they should compared to other thieving targets
and players suddenly PPing them in bulk highlighted that problem, which is why it's getting fixed so late

[pliant nebula]

Oblivious is going to need to be looked at after the dwarf trader changes because if not it's going to be dead content at launch almost,

The reason it's so good at dwarf traders is because you don't get 1 shot in like 30s, I've tried it at other places and you don't last long at all, so what even is the point of using it

[karmic stirrup]

I mean, traders are only getting the nerf on monday

we don't know what else is getting fixed on monday

[tropic current]

Cause visibility of an issue helps speed up it getting fixed, I have seen massive amounts of chatter and reports about dwarf traders, yours is the first report I have personally seen of the bag not working as expected

[swift lion]

makes total sense to me. everyone was talking about the insane dwarf xp, but the 5% bug is just not something you would really notice. i never would have known if not for some random reddit post, even though i've used the bag quite a bit already

the xp is not what's being changed really, but still

[subtle dirge]

seems like due to oblivious I'm just never getting logged out at Dwarf Traders

was going to set a timer to remember to click, didn't, still logged in 45 minutes later lol

[subtle dirge]

what about oblivious ignoring the log out timer? might be nobody wants to report it lol

[supple hare]

Not to mention like the mods are saying the nerf is ONLY damage. The xp has always been this way and will stay this way so everyone crying about it are the ones that want to get 200m xp in 1 click

[stark parrot]

i had reported the bit about the mushroomy bag only working on initial pickpocket as soon as I found out about it ingame (yesterday). I'm not a paid QA so I'm not out here testing every single thing added to the patch haha, can only discover these bugs so quickly. should I duplicate every bug submitted in the weekly update threads, the bug reports channel, and other social medias?