#Veteran capes
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The thing about adding more teleports at this point in time is it only really benefits cluers, and then you'd have to decide how optimal the cape teleports are supposed to be for completing a clue step nearby to the teleport destination, personally i don't think its healthy to make them the best option for any clue step given their timegated nature, but as long as that's being kept in mind when deciding where the teleports might go to, i wouldn't mind this suggestion
i think at least a quick port to Hans would be beneficial I'm unaware of another way to view your play time in-game, with the beach event i found myself running over there and talking to him a few times for fun is all and it occurred to me. I suppose I was thinking the teleports could be more whimsical rather then specifically helpful in any certain way ๐
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oh yaknow it could be like a contact thing instead where you can contact HANS and talk to him with the cape. Just thought of that aswell @bronze oxide
tp to hans is totally fine
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Taking to Hans through the cape would be excellent
An option to quick check your hours spent ingame would also be fun
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I agree vet capes should have some benefit be it a teleport or something

I don't think it's good for veteran capes to have any non-cosmetic benefits
Any reason behind that? The suggestion is more focused on being able to check your play time remotely. I am not favorable of any other utilities then that really. Thanks for the input.

oh I'm fine with this but I also don't see the point in putting it on the veteran cape
Why so
to my mind timegating anything is inherently bad
I'm not the biggest fan of the vet capes' existence in the first place
Time gates on a over 20 year old game? Hmmm not following that logic but sure !
if functionality is appealing to people there's no good reason to lock it behind 5 years and there's no pretence that having created one's account a long time ago is inherently worthy of anything
Suree, then a new item to check remotely
Right, then a all new item would work.
ideally, the age of your account would give absolutely nothing, so provided this item is accessible to everyone, that's fine imo
it's a 20 year old game with new accounts being created every day
Who is checking game time played the most thou?
Most likely long time players
probably but I don't think that matters
Lol
if it would be at all useful to anyone it has no business being timegated
Would be better to just put it in the settings interface and just have a tab for it. But this was more fun party pooper
but I think we fundamentally disagree as a matter of principle - you're trying to create something useful to reward vets, I think something useful being locked to older accounts should never happen
is hans on npc contact?
What?
if the goal is to remotely check playtime with hans
Yes
could just stick him on the npc contact spell if he's not already
Sounds good !
He is not on there.
So what if I remake my suggestion to just adding Hans to contact list?
the only part I personally object to is the veteran-locking but tbh I wouldn't remake it for just me
there will be others who prefer it as-is
I only care about HANS

That's the focus here
Having to chase him down in and also not having a super close teleport is the issue here
If you really think the majority of people checking play time would not be those with at least a 5 year cape I understand.
I don't see the logic in it but sure !
Most new players don't even know about the NPC contact LIST or lunar SPELLS to begin with. JS
I see most people checking playtime being those with challenge accounts
You literally see them? Orr
like, on my most-played account I know I have a shade over 2 years of playtime - and that makes there no real point in checking playtime for ages
Play time? You know you get the capes on the time your account was created not play time..
yeah but Hans tells you playtime
...what?
I think everyone has a rough idea of creation dates from the loyalty crowns, nobody's going to Hans for that
the main use case for Hans IME is e.g. someone has created a new account and has just got a major milestone
they want to check how many in-game hours that took
The achievement tracker already dose this no?
total in-game hours?
No mile stones
right exactly
Okay then what's your point?
like, if you know that you created your account 10 years ago and you know you have about a year of playtime
you're not going to Hans for the next 2-3 years
because he's not providing you any useful info
whereas someone looking to check on how long new account milestones took might realistically go to Hans several times a year
how on earth am I supposed to provide evidence for that
Exactly lol
either way, I've displayed the use case for non-vets which is sufficient to show (IMO) that it would be a bad idea to lock any additional functionality to vets
Lock haha okay bud ๐ have a good one thanks for participating.
These capes should be cosmetics focused. Adding functionalities means it will have timegated features by default, and 5 years minimum is not a healthy timegate.
exactly this
Already addressed that above.

Then add him to the NPC contact list
Have it be locked behind quest points instead yeaa much better
Lol
It's still gonna be locked
How many years it take to get to lunar diplomacy for you? Cause I had my 10 year cape long before i reached that.
18 years?
Then yea what I'm saying is vaild then.
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Lol people that would get mad about a teleport to Lumbridge and A quickchat option for an irrelevant NPC being locked out for a 5 year vet cape frankly should be focusing their energy on more creative things.
I support a quick tele option to Lumby Castle and a Remote chat option for Hans.
Neither of those suggestions are bad additions to the Cape at all.

Would also be cool to make them not hideous also. It's crazy that your reward for years of playing is the ugliest capes in game.
Ikr lol at least the 20 year cape looks half way good !
I would confidently say that the majority of players even if they did make a new account hold an existing account with at least the 5 year cape. Going to keep researching. @weak rose
sure, I have accounts without vet capes, with the 5 year cape and with the 15 year cape, but I would contend it still doesn't make sense to link any in-game functionality to having an old account - it's not something that deserves recognition
(leaving original word there but it's not what I mean)
it deserves recognition but it doesn't deserve exclusive functionality
I will find the data that is going to challenge that. Give me time.
I don't think there is any data which can challenge that
That's just dismissing and a bad attitude
if there is a single account without the 5 year cape which would want this functionality, to my mind putting it on the 5 year cape is bad
calm down
let's liken this to another system
loyalty points
what you're proposing has exactly the same problems as the current aura system
because it's locking in-game rewards/functionality behind an arbitrary period of time with no way for the player to speed it up
Puting it on NPC contact list is also locking it
yes, and players can go and complete lunar diplomacy very easily
Thats just biased then it's no different. So say that
Huh? Most players have a 5 year cape and are free to play!
you think something that a player can make positive steps towards and unlock whenever they want is no different to a 'go and wait 5 years' instruction?
f2p is a different issue
like, start by excluding f2pers here
since I will accept the vast vast majority of accounts qualify for a 5 year cape
that much is obvious
Old news yes this applies to our conversation
F2p players have 5 year cape enough to complain!
Your logic has no reason
at the end of the day, f2pers don't matter
LMFAOOOO
That's just untrue
I'm not sure you even know what I'm trying to accomplish!
HANS !
I think you're trying to accomplish two things
Not anything else
No
- is putting a reward on the veteran cape
and it's exclusively that I have an issue with
Noooo!
Ffs man
You won't listen
so you'd be entirely happy to remove all reference to the veteran cape from the proposal and make no changes to it
Yes
ok then I support your suggestion
I just want HANS !
Mann dude you a tough NUT!
I have an idea
Wait
So
How about
I would suggest you change your OP though if the important bit is the Hans bit - as written, it focuses entirely on the cape with Hans as a suggestion of how it's done #1255977650925863073 message
...yes it was a whimsical idea and I already suggested redoing my post !
Still gas lighting?
Okay...now listen
Whole new idea
So for hans
How about when you first enter the game and talk to him for the first time, you are given a CAPE of CONTACT from him so for clicking and talking to him. That way you can always get ahold of HANS. have it be the most generic cape you ever seen. That way new players can wear it and be identified by it and also old players can stash it in the bank to use to check game time ! @weak rose
love it
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Have fun farming brah...gotta say this was not a pleasant conversation....
Dial back the gas lighting a smidgen

im curious to hear your reasoning for this in particular, I think a player playing the game should be rewarded minorly however I do agree, shouldn't be too overpowering to where it becomes 'mandatory'
but things like qol teleporters I think is fine honestly, or a veterans guild that is just a convenient location to teleport to and have a micro max guild with additional teleporters (similar teleport like max guild maybe?)
the thing is veteran capes don't reward you for playing the game
you can make an account and ditch it for 10 years and you'd be rewarded all the same
I feel the Classic Cape shouldn't have benefits as its an exclusive cape for participating in Classic (even after rs2 release)
and no this isn't mentioned because I don't have it, as I do own one, but just feel it wouldn't apply with the Veteran Capes.
but essentially anyone with a Classic Cape would also own a Veteran cape gaurenteed.
where I can personally agree with this statement; It could have a guild that is grindy to unlock these extra features? otherwise just a bank with teleport (no different then PvM Hub/Max Guild Teleports to Bank/G.E)
the benefit to the PvM hub and Max guild would be respectively different from the Veterans Guild if possible though;
Different Teleport Locations could be unlocked and earned through in game achievement completions.
could even make it accessible to 5 Year+ Players making it accessible
Hence why the only real GOAL here is HANS and being able to check your play time. I could care less about the veteran capes being more functional. The veteran capes was simply a imo smart and simple avenue to get the desired results of being able to speak with HANS in a more convenient way.
A veterans GUILD definitely sounds interesting and tbh deserves its own whole post !
I did my best to read the entire thread so sorry if I missed it, but just as a heads-up, you can also check your playtime by logging in to Runemetrics on the RS website ^^
Not saying it's a solution to your problem, just throwing it out there that it's a thing that exists
Fair point!
This come about from spending time at the beach!
I found myself going to see HANS and thought hey why do I have to run over here every time if I forget to take a screen grab of my play time when I looked the first time. And had to run over there again. @onyx bluff
I think this is good, when you first enter the game and talk to him for the first time, you are given a CAPE of CONTACT from him so for clicking and talking to him. That way you can always get ahold of HANS. have it be the most generic cape you ever seen. That way new players can wear it and be identified by it and also old players can stash it in the bank to use to check game time !
I definately agree it should be something atleast discussed and thought through;
however I do feel making requirements exclusively age of account for features within it wouldn't be ideal; as well as making anything more then 5 years for access to it absolutely useless

I'm with that yes, time gates bad
For sure
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Thanks everyone !