#remove muting from game

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bold patrol
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this game says ages 16+ before you load it, we spend money on this game, and what are jagex really trying to accomplish with mutes...protecting people from words? these players on runescape need better social skills, not parental protection. i feel like im in kindergarden when i play this game

grand hemlock
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Removing muting would open up a whole lot of problems tbh, Racial/Slurs/Hatespeech, while the game has a recommended age, its still a family game, i feel removing a threat of foul language would lead to a very unhealthy/friendly place in the game

foggy saffron
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I feel like you're missing the point of mutes. Just because it's rated 16+ doesn't give you a free pass to be racist / homophobic / etc. There has to be a level of moderation to make people feel safe & comfortable.

bold patrol
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i have strong feelings about this because i have tried to understand not just this game but also a lot of western society over the past 2 decades, but i see where not having muting could allow the game to get kind of crazy. theres still the element of paying for a service that gets terminated early in part without refund, the 16+ warning, and there is no way to stop hate speech in any society. i believe people are too codled and narcassistic thinking they should have a perfect room with no alternative views in this world and it seriously distresses me.

patent crater
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if you said, or did, anything to warrant being muted. then they would see it, look at the conduct used with, and apply the punishment.

in your case, if you were muted, let alone perm, there was a reason for it, and it was applied as such.

grand hemlock
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the fact you are paying for a service is also a reason why jagex have a duty of care towards the users of said service, paid or not. it needs moderation and a deterant, otherwise it would be a complete mess

patent crater
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and before it's said: "Freedom of speech" isn't "freedom of consequences", and doesn't apply in these cases anyways.

limpid lake
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there is no way to stop hate speech in any society

That doesn't mean we shouldn't try our best to prevent it from it happening to other human beings

i believe people are too codled and narcassistic thinking they should have a perfect room with no alternative views in this world

hate speech / slurs / bigotry / etc. are not alternative views - they're purely hatred and are unacceptable for our community

bold patrol
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the "victims" dont see a result because they have a very small likelyhood of crossing each others path in the game again, whereas the muted character's owner might start having serious mental issues such as depression, suicidial ideation, anxiety, and more

patent crater
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because you can't spew toxicity and other things which got themselves revoked access to freetype?

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at that point, professional help, not a game company's freetype chat, is the solution

bold patrol
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i would like to remain anonymous about my personal runescape account, but i do like to have philisophical and political conversations in the game and i dont see how that is offensive

patent crater
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if it warranted a mute, and a mute was applied, let alone perm. it was no "conversation" to be had in-game.

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nothing more, nothing less.

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nothing to excuse it, either.

bold patrol
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but being muted for my political beliefs is exactly what jagex is tryin to protect these other "victims" by doing?

patent crater
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it's no longer about the beliefs, or "censorship" as much as what was said was not suited for any audience.

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and victimizing yourself over your own actions isn't the way to deal with it.

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you said something you weren't meant to, were perm muted, and nothing more can be done.

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weither it was severe right from the get-go, or over time warned by temps, doesn't matter.

bold patrol
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it feels like this has become more about me and less about the hypothetical of why mute to begin with and how muting actually affects the community, which was my intention.

grand hemlock
# bold patrol the "victims" dont see a result because they have a very small likelyhood of cro...

There is no excuse for hatred or anger, and if you feel that way, YOU should be stepping away from the game, not bring other people who are just trying to enjoy the game down. Mutes are there to at least try and bring some control to situations, this game to alot of players is an escape from reality, something to pass the time, something they find fun and enjoyable, and allowing anyone to say anything they desire regardless of how horrible/vile it may be, will cause nothing but the feelings you have described the "mutee" from getting, it is safer and better for the game to keep mutes in place to prevent that, than worry about the ones the strive to spread hate.

Side note if you are feeling any of them things, there is options you can reach out to for help, instead of taking it out on players

marble ferry
terse pond
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And lets be realistic here. In game mutes aren't going away any time soon. You can feel however you want, its not going to change anything.

bold patrol
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heres a question - does being muted for something that happend on a USA server fall under USA court jurisdiction?

patent crater
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it's generally considered fully international, as it's public. it's not a courthouse, or government building.

marble ferry
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You can look up court cases from the past I assume

patent crater
old arch
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Jagex have the right to remove any speech they like in the game

marble ferry
bold patrol
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this is like brazil trying to go after elon musk cause he wouldnt censor posts

old arch
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But what you say in-game could probably be used in legal proceedings - that's where a legal expert would need to clarify though

bold patrol
turbid galleon
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I feel not enough players are muted but that could be because I don't notice the ones that are

old arch
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For what it's worth, you shouldn't be getting muted for having civilised conversations in-game. If what you say breaks the rules then you may possibly end up with a mute

bold patrol
patent crater
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quickchat is usable by people not muted as well

old arch
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But then realistically the problem you would have is with the rules, and their enforcement, rather than the mute itself

turbid galleon
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and there is no way to stop hate speech in any society
most people doing hate speech IRL get muted really fast; it's just slower to control on the Internet

turbid galleon
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but there are also a lot of people at w79 incand wisps spamming or autotyping for attention (probably also botting energy cuz they've been at 200m XP for MONTHS)

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hopefully a player moderator starts training div soon

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every now and then you see them say something not through qc

bold patrol
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from a financial perspective (jagex IS a business), mutes would encourage people to buy less membership, keys, and bonds, in my opinion

violet dove
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I like that spam bots can be muted

old arch
violet dove
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First to give me 10m wont regret it

foggy saffron
grand hemlock
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Mutes have been in the game since the start and its been going on for 20+ years, i really don't think it effects business

bold patrol
violet dove
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First to give me 10m wont regret it

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First to give me 10m wont regret it

old arch
violet dove
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First to give me 10m wont regret it

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First to give me 10m wont regret it

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First to give me 10m wont regret it

limpid lake
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please stop

marble ferry
bold patrol
terse pond
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then why don't we just remove all in game chat so its no longer a point of discussion

patent crater
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you do know, platforms which are 18+ still remove comments and content that are still 18+ for not conforming to their rules, and being outright toxic right?

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that label doesn't do much, when the user is just trying to justify their behaviours.

bold patrol
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theres people online right now that literally try to bait people so they can report them because they think it will make them a player moderator

patent crater
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removing muting isn't a solution, nor trying to tiptoe around the behaviours, as much as the users should be restricted and being showcased it's not alright.

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and if they can't behave, they're punished.

old arch
bold patrol
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okay well tell me this. they give you an "appeal" but then when you click to choose the evidence they have against you they say they cant show you it. how does this help someone appeal? at least fix this, jagex.

patent crater
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you have a perm mute, but, it shows as appealable?

old arch
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I don't really know enough about the appeals and evidence bit as that's not my area of expertise, though someone else can probably answer that for you

turbid galleon
old arch
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So if you receive a mute for something that falls within those guidelines, then that's because that's something that Jagex as a company does not want to see in the game, which if that's the case then your issue would be with disagreeing on what Jagex want and do not want in the game, not the tool that is used

river jackal
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These days, it takes something crazy to even be muted. Whatever it is, at least it was mute in a game. Doing crazy behavior to random strangers in real life would just lead to job losses, arrest, physical assault, or worse. Even though it's 16+, people who use adult language are only doing it to friends or to vent frustration. It's never right anywhere to use speech to harm people you don't know.

There's like weird things I've seen ingame like people threatening each other about IRL stuff found on their social medias over AoD drama and honestly this is a game that should not ever be taken too seriously.

violet dove
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I got muted for an hour for being annoying

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I think everyone in this thread is glad that happened

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As the one muted. Sometimes it takes being forced to STFU for a player to take a minute and reflect on their actions. Not being able to be part of the discussion because what I say is disruptive or disrespectful to the overall Chat is for the greater good of the community.

You can piss in your bathtub but keep it out of the public pool dude.

turbid galleon
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based way to prove a point

mellow maple
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i think mute option is in place to stop people from saying things that disturb most people.

What those disturbing things are i cant say, but i do agree some people find certain things disturbing that should not be found disturbing. or are not disturbing to others.

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And of course, people have their reasons for saying these things, whether it be from personally liking those things and wanting to talk about them, to anger, to anger with reasons, etc

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Muting them wont solve the reason why they are saying those things, whatever those things are and whatever the reason is

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But idk if thats really Jagex's goal, to be a person that solves peoples IRL problems

patent crater
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fwiw: while venting can be a coping mechanism for some, there's proper ways to go about it, and in a public forum and chat server isn't really it.

if it gets to the point they say stuff which could get them perm muted, or muted multiple times without catching the hint; they'd be better off seeking more professional help than rely on a game companies playerbase as fodder.

some stuff can be a bit silly on paper depending how you grew up (eg extremely racist demographic locations don't see an issue sometimes) but it doesn't exactly make it right either.

and even if a friend group may be okay with the chat spoken, or do so themselves, it doesn't really accept that it was said as okay overall.

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so Jagex stays consistent and mutes depending on the actions the account did, even if you think it may be contextually okay, functionally and socially it would not have been.

mellow maple
mellow maple
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Though i do agree that it should not be said in a game, and should go to local IRL authorities.

For example, if u notice someone littering, then instead of venting it out in-game, you should take a picture (if you can without getting noticed) and send it to law enforcement or municiaplity or something

dreamy cairn
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A reason is not an excuse.
Reasons explain actions, but they don't remove blame. You're still responsible for your actions.

fresh frost
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They're trying to annoy you to get a reaction out of you, so they can feel good about themselves and get a giggle out of it.

By not giving them what they want, as in, just shrugging it off, muting/blocking/ignore-listing them, and saying to yourself in your head 'lol what a loser', you are the one walking away from that situation as the winner :)

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I say this from experience having played one of the most toxic games in the planet for neigh on a decade...

mellow maple
dreamy cairn
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Usually, no. You choose your own actions.
I know I've said and done things I'm not proud of in response to people, and that's on me, not them.

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They are responsible for their actions, I'm responsible for mine.

mellow maple
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hmm...sorry, but i disagree. i believe ppl can heavily, heavily influence you to do actions you would otherwise not do.

patent crater
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influence is not a force, it can drive you to act, but you are still responsible for how you act.

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thus why people ragebait, as they know you'd be the demographic to react, and not control your behaviours

fresh frost
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Put it this way, say I'm doing Slayer and some guy comes to crash me, or troll me or w/e.

Rather than get angry at them and flame them, or swear at them. I just giggle a little to myself, and move to another world, there's no point getting angry, because that's what they're looking for, they're trying to make you mad. So by denying them the privilege of a reaction, you're walking away as the winner in that situation

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Because by not reacting, you've just made them waste their own time :)

dreamy cairn
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Sudo essentially said my reply.

fresh frost
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This ^

mellow maple
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Responsibility vs why

patent crater
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influence would be closer to peer pressure, force would me more of a weapon to your body "act or die"; the former is your choice how you act, the latter is not.

nobody is putting a weapon to your irl body and telling you to call that dude a slur for simply being a nuisance.

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why doesn't matter, as they act upon what was done

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anyone, anywhere, can try to find a reason why for their madness, the reason doesn't excuse it

dreamy cairn
mellow maple
mellow maple
patent crater
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but that would be the difference from influence and force.

grand hemlock
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Actions have concequences, it really doesn't matter what the why is, outcome is the same, if you commit a crime, and use the excuse "Well he told me to do it/He wound me up so i retaliated" you will still face the same punishment, The topic at hand is about "Removing muting from the game", you do the crime (Slur/Hate speech/etc etc), you get muted as a punishment, it really is irrevelant as to why you said/did what you said to get a mute

mellow maple
grand hemlock
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That i do agree with.

mellow maple
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I do notice that there are some players that are disturbed by things that a large amount of players love talking about, so maybe there can be a seperate server for either one of those type of players?

Not going to say what that topic is. Just a general idea.

spare grove
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Wild that this guy never said what exactly he got muted for lul.

violet dove
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Mutes are also appealable. If you have an issue with your mute then you are more than welcome to write a compelling argument for your behaviour 🤷🏻‍♂️

@mellow maple
Some people get triggered by rainbows in game. During Jagex’s pride month are they influencing me and forcing me to start LGBTQ+ bashing? Or is that something that I should avoid doing by ignoring it?

A player is responsible for their own conduct. Trolls exist everywhere and not feeding them (by your reaction) is probably Rule #3

mellow maple
mellow maple
patent crater
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then player B is responsible for their actions, and A can be reported by B instead of reacting.

player A's actions don't grant player B immunity from accountability.

a lack of self control is not an excuse for acting regardless of influence.

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especially if it ends up being something mutable, they would generally know better. and if they don't, that mute acts as a reminder, and if that reminder fails to get through, and they continue, then they lose the right

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there's realistically no way to toetoe around it to make it okay, as the rest is just putting your actions into a blame upon others, and ignoring accountability to their actions.

mellow maple
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Yeah, doesnt change the fact that the person that did the bad conduct was Player B.

But i also think that many people do not have self-control, and are easily baited, and the blame would go on them instead of the person that baited them, effectively allowing baiters to get innocent people angry and perma-muted

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The person that got baited would still be responsible and perma-muted, and the baiter would get away without getting harmed

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Do i understand correctly, ur view?

limpid lake
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If Jim tells Bob, "steal money from that person"
and Bob steals money, Bob should definitely still be punished for stealing money

Jim may or may not be punished, depending on their involvement with the crime

The best, easiest solution for Bob is to right-click Jim and click "Add ignore Jim"

mellow maple
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Its like punishing Bob for stealing money when Jim told them to. Its not Bob's fault, its Jim's. Many people, such as Bob, are not mentally powerful enough to ignore others or make their own decisions

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What do u think?

patent crater
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"ideologically inclined", given the "if you know what i mean" bit, i assume dictatorship was the intended phrase not said but implied?

rain vine
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keep things civil, attacks on anyone are not acceptable

grand hemlock
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I feel this conversation is getting severly off topic tbh, its a suggestion to remove mutes from the game, nothing more

mellow maple
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I think people who intentionally cause others to do "bad conduct" should be punished, with the person who was baited into doing the bad conduct maybe being punished? wasnt really their fault...

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wait a minute'

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thats not on-topic, what i said

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LMAO

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yeah dont remove mutes, that would result in people being irritating and saying things that cause great discomfort to many people, with them never being stopped

grand hemlock
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While its fully agreed that them who "bait" others into actions they maybe wouldnt of otherwise done get punished, as a player there is many ways to leave that situation, if you are being baited via private message, add them to ignore, turn private to friends only, If you are being batied ingame, add them to ignore, hop worlds, move location..
there are many ways you can deter yourself away from the situation, and diffuse it, but by staying and interacting with the "Baiter" you are just as bad as the baiter and should also receive punishment.. using "ive been influenced" is not a good excuse, and unfortuately the internet is.. well.. the internet, there is trolls at every turn, and if you don't feel you can control yourself and emotions when being trolled, then you need to take the actions to remove yourself from that situation, not feed into it

mellow maple
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from my point of view, ideally there should be 0 baiters or "bad actors", since some people do not have the power to ignore someone, put someone on a ignore list, or take themselves away from a situation

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they are not skilled enough or self-control enough to do so

grand hemlock
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If you have a suggestion on how that can be acheived, you should start a thread, because i feel thats something the internet has had to deal with since day one