#Hero Pass - This Week in RuneScape

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warm iron
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Are u aware the only reason RS exists... is because... money.

nocturne aspen
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there was a meaningful compromise made already.

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let's just take it from there

supple robin
vale flare
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thats exatly what there doing tho they took a bit to far of a step so there going back a bit then slowly going forward

nocturne aspen
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they haven't though

warm escarp
forest urchin
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Imma remove myself from this thread lmao. Never seen such a big W from community effords and yet we still complaining

nocturne aspen
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that is just speaking in hypotheticals

warm iron
nocturne aspen
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just take it a day at a time. there was a lot of feedback gathered from the server and elsewhere

supple robin
nocturne aspen
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they have an understanding of tolerances the community has

warm iron
vale flare
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mtx if the communtiy cannot win should litterly be only cosmetics

warm escarp
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If MTXs are intrinsic to games surviving then maybe games shouldn't exist anymore

warm iron
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Sure, but why should they not get paid services like namechanges/bank slots, if they are actually popular mtx options for people?

warm escarp
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by that logic why shouldnt they get paid for heropass

vale flare
warm iron
warm escarp
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exactly

supple robin
calm hare
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the point Miro made I mean, I think
sorry if I misinterpreted

supple robin
vale flare
wanton isle
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if they dare raise the price, they should also increase content release

calm hare
warm escarp
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also let's not pretend jagex needs the money

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This isn't some indie dev on the cusp of bankruptcy it's a 900m company

waxen garden
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It's not that they need the money, but they do need to make profits.

nocturne aspen
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that is from an internal appraisal mind you

supple robin
warm escarp
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900m 400m 100m it's still a big company. I think larian is like what.

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much smaller than that idk

hearty quest
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funny cause the devs aren't paid as much as competitive companies

stray plank
warm escarp
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Yes and everyone telling me MTX is "required" is acting like it's directly about the game, not some esoteric revenue goal set by some corpo to meet some valuation goal.

waxen garden
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more mtx = game stay up longer = hagrid a happy boy

warm escarp
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See what I mean?

stray plank
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MTX is required because otherwise the Carlyle group will fire every single JMod that refuses to put it in and hire people willing to do it.

proud merlin
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Look, I don't mind MTX personally. As long as they use it right.

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Use it SMART.

waxen garden
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keep mtx to cosmetics and such

proud merlin
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They can use it to generate hype for future releases.

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Hell, Soul Dye was a good idea that they could reuse.

warm escarp
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I have never, EVER seen it used smart or 'right.'

proud merlin
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If they rereleased it, make it a clue reward.

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But, honestly, my opinion of previewing new dyes through Treasure Hunter: Is a great way to refine what players want.

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Preview it six to twelve months before release.

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In Treasure Hunter.

wanton isle
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calling it, Gold Dye, 1/5000 keys

proud merlin
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Let some players win it, get feedback on it and polish it up

calm hare
proud merlin
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If they treated any TH item or promo like they're going to release it into the game in some form, either through a future Hero Pass, Runecoins, Oddment Store or even Clue Scroll Cosmetic Tokens.

warm escarp
proud merlin
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Treat Treasure Hunter like an item preview board for future cosmetic item rewards.

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That way there's no FOMO

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Treasure Hunter isn't necessarily bad in my book.

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It's just predatory with FOMO

vale flare
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if they would do that the th preview needs to be known it on th itself tho

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thinking of like a small button on the outfit th on it

proud merlin
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Plus, if they let you win it before it releases fully in the game. It generates some hype.

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It makes people WANT something.

wanton isle
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This quote alone should make you wary about feedback 2.

"For the long-term changes, we intend to not rush, to allow for a re-think of the design"

proud merlin
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This is why Treasure Hunter isn't necessarily bad to me. Given it also helps with free resources and a small XP boost.

stray plank
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I like hero pass more than yak track, so I'm happy it's not being fully scrapped

calm hare
vale flare
proud merlin
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It's just an additional reward.

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It's incentivizing playing the game a little bit by giving me that extra xp.

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Helping me shorten the time it takes to get my goals.

wanton isle
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put aurora and soul dye into clues already ffs.

proud merlin
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They should.

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Hell, make Soul Dye a drop at Rasiel.

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Let him give us some drip.

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Let's be fair: People LOVE their cosmetics.

vale flare
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th xp lamps can be very brokenly powerfull if ya save up some keys on the right promo its not suprising for ya to gain over a million xp from less then a min spinning

proud merlin
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Good cosmetics in a game, can really help people play.

proud merlin
calm hare
# proud merlin Hell, make Soul Dye a drop at Rasiel.

there's an evil part of me that would take it one step further:
Rasial: Soul vial drop, tradeable
To make into a soul dye: combine with any current clue dye
Upside: big stonks for clue'ers
Downside: more expensive soul dye for people who want it

proud merlin
harsh tapir
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i'd better use headhunter to fix my prefer list if its being removed next week 👀

calm hare
waxen garden
dawn phoenix
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Its nice that the mods kept us in the loop as to what was going on in the back end and its nice that they informed us of their decision. I had my opinions but it didn't really affect me

The thing that really irks me a ton was how the response was delivered to jagex. I really wish the feedback was less aggressive. I understand the energy that the community had and its not a bad thing to have that energy. It just felt that it was destructive energy and made it seemed like we were about to burn stuff to the ground as a result. It really is disappointing seeing that. I just wished the energy was more positive

proud merlin
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Treasure Hunter can be a useful tool to Jagex and they can still appease Whales.

wanton isle
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Im already in your walls.

waxen garden
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lolol

wanton isle
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I am The Man in the Wall

vale flare
# proud merlin That's if you're smart.

everyone ik in the game does this -1 he isent someone that would wait like 7 days to use up 20 keys he got of skilling for that juicy xp. for me its just extra oddments i get from waiting

wanton isle
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taps

waxen garden
calm hare
wanton isle
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nobody wants to kill camel warriors

proud merlin
wanton isle
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heck, even i used a cheeky way to get that dumb stupid soul

proud merlin
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My only line is, No FOMO. Everything done on a TH promo, needs to be released and accessible in some way shape or form.

wanton isle
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Hero Pass rewards will be re-balanced to be easier to obtain.

I wonder if this means the shop

proud merlin
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Within six to twelve months of the ending of its first promo

wanton isle
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but i will say, and keep saying

We made a significant misjudgement and we are sorry.

Feels like that south park clip to me

warm escarp
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If you really want to monetize cosmetics fine, here's the thing's I've seen work:

-Make almost every cosmetic free to obtain, with a premium curreency to obtain the cosmetic 'faster'
-remove runecoins, everything uses loyalty points now, or do vice versa doesn't matter
-TRADEABLE exclusivee cosmetics included in runecoin/loyalty point packs
-steam sale applies to currency packages
-buy keepsake SLOTS instead of keys
-gold cost to slot keepsakes + free for premium members
-No 'free' transmog, everything has to go through the keepsake system for ease of access. Except for prem member cosmetics - in the sensee that said cosmetics are already free-slotted.

-> -> -> Make the game actually worth the money you want to people spend <- <- <-

marble kayak
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Why the xp buffs only for members?

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And don’t return the 25% xp penalty for F2P on daily challenges.

calm hare
proud merlin
nocturne aspen
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@proud merlin let's not meme the announcement. there are plenty of devs that have worked tirelessly to get to where we are. it isn't fair to diminish their hard work with a meme

warm escarp
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oh right also dyes don't dye things but unlock a color choice for color customizations

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and then premium color palettes

lusty inlet
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Go big brain on the dyes

wanton isle
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can we please make Keepsake keys buyable again with Loyalty Points.

lusty inlet
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Give them to the imps in um

proud merlin
calm hare
proud merlin
lusty inlet
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If they need some replacement filler rewards for the pass Prismatic Dyes and Keepsake keys wouldn't be a bad one

wanton isle
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i like Aef's idea too

lusty inlet
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(but also loyalty points)

wanton isle
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instead of keys, let us buy the slots

calm hare
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I'm a simple man: I see people suggest things to make my cosmetic life easier, I press like

proud merlin
rancid rune
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Yak Track remake 👀

warm escarp
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you can upcharge the slots too i think warframe's costs like 5 bucks a slot and everyone's fine with it

calm hare
warm escarp
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wait no 2 bucks

lusty inlet
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I'd pay a good little bit for a permanent spot to pick colors and use them but just not be able to save them as presets?

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Shift sort of what the dye is actually doing

wanton isle
calm hare
lusty inlet
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More outfit presets?

proud merlin
calm hare
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simple but it'd make my life so much easier: allow us to rename "My Custom 1-4"

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wanton isle
lusty inlet
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Wait how many can we have

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I thought it was 4

calm hare
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four yes

warm escarp
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oh right also more buyable slots in general for a lot of things, especially loadouts

wanton isle
lusty inlet
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Oh thats interfaces

wanton isle
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WHY cant we name out OWN shit?

lusty inlet
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Honestly vast majority of my keepsakes go to Dungeoneering equipment

calm hare
wanton isle
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I have to give presets some stupid bogus name sometimes

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and im like "Who the hell are you"

calm hare
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these are the keepsakes on my iron atm
my main has like thrice as many

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(for anyone making a black outfit, mourner gloves have a nice dark tone)

wanton isle
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aight, posted it, 4D

long raptor
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I haven't seen any further feedback with regards to the amount of oddments Ironmen will be getting for an outdated and already full obtained for most oddment store?

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Has there been any further news on this?

calm hare
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they do still plan on having the big discussion about ironman mode ^^ today's newspost didn't negate that

long raptor
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Ok, that's good to know. Thanks!

wanton isle
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just allow IM to buy zombie walk, assassin walk as an unlock through outrageous amounts of oddments

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non-token version ofc

fast mesa
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I think it's absolutely ridiculous that the option to buy pass skips/emblems has been "hotfixed" and removed. This is not the way to resolve the issues going on. now those of us who usually try out best at the pass and have the extra cash to top it off at the end can't and now we'll miss out 😦 smh

terse barn
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honestly if they are going to be making these walks non-tradeable direct character unlocks they need to be WAY cheeper then 300 freakin keys

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almost 100$ for a teleport animation???????

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that should be MAYBE 10$ if its non-tradeble

wanton isle
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better yet, Teleports and walk animations should go back to solomon's/market place where they belong

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Unlike the randomized shitshow that is TH

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they damn well knew with the enforcer thing last week, its impossible to get the animation through normal means

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heck, not even 150 keys.

terse barn
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i got lucky and got it on my first contract with free keys

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and IMO its not even a good walk animation

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went right back to zombi walk

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would NOT have spent money on that walk

wanton isle
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I'd rather buy some stupid overpriced skin pack in warframe then walk into the casino that is treasure hunter.

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at least with the first option I KNOW WHAT I GET

placid wadi
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People get so pressed over TH lol

wanton isle
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can you blame them, the hedge tele seems like a fun thing to have

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but im not in it to spend 50-60 bucks to get the keys for it

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animations should be locked behind solomon's general store or the marketplace

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make them buy able through runecoin

light spruce
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Thank you for listening and admitting how unpopular Hero Pass is.

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Gamers are more scornful and critical than ever, not willing to have any good faith anymore for any company.
At the very least you publicly announced that you 'misjudged', and that's the step in the right direction for everyone seething.

wanton isle
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"For the long-term changes, we intend to not rush, to allow for a re-think of the design"

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im really wary

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nothing stops them from slowly creeping it back up

fossil helm
wanton isle
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and i hope they'll keep listening

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but im hella curious how they're resolving the 30% issue

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when you drop 3 bonds/25 bucks on the pass, you'd want to get everything.

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my take on it

  • close hero shop
  • rebalance the cosmetics over the free and paid track
  • put old Yak track cosmetics onto oddment store
fossil helm
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From what I understand much of their dialog/desciding factors posted today was probably developed prior to any of the polling charts in the recent day from afflitaite discords.

While they do have their hands full already, additional context around "are we content with the changes coming? Or is something still there that is an issue?" That will prolly be the topic of conversation over the weekend.

fossil helm
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Personally curious and invested towards the conversations that will take place over the weekend and following Monday's first patch.

wanton isle
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the shop, not the pass.

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The shop essentially houses "better looking" cosmetics than the pass has

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like Yak did with Yak Coin

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@fossil helm
Exhibit A.
https://runescape.wiki/w/Ice_Quake
https://runescape.wiki/w/Blood_Ice_Quake

RuneScape Wiki
Ice Quake

Ice Quake is an ability animation override for the Quake ability. It can be purchased for 800 Underworld Emblems from the Hero Store. It was originally unlocked by completing tier 48 of The Winter Trials Yak Track.

RuneScape Wiki
Blood Ice Quake

Blood Ice Quake is an ability animation override for the Quake ability. It could be purchased for 16 yak coins from the Yak Coin Shop during The Winter Trials.

alpine lagoon
sour garden
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Would be cool to see blood quake come back if possible

wanton isle
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the fact blood ice quake was locked behind 48h of grind was terrible.

sour garden
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the only beef i had with yak coins was that they expired

wanton isle
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and the same will happen with the emblems.

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its just not a good idea to have perishable currency.

sour garden
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agreed

hearty pewter
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-4 Hero Points

sour garden
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really would like to unlock this but i have a job

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You need what 133 atm to get it?

wanton isle
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1500 emblems past the pass, 120+12

sour garden
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132 then, super fun

wanton isle
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at 200 point/h it's 180 hours of grind past the pass.

sour garden
wanton isle
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and remember, 120 can be reached by 30% of the playerbase, at active play.

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whatever the definition of active is

sour garden
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i hope the rebalance they are doing

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makes it way more lenient

fossil helm
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I'm sure a handful of mods will be reading context.

fossil helm
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If I get them I get them

wraith hare
wanton isle
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classic damage control

wraith hare
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Part of the monetization model is allowing people to buy skips, once they rebalance rewards, you can spend IRL money to your hearts content, I'm sure

wanton isle
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because now you already see posts like "how am i supposed to get to 120 now if i start late"

wraith hare
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Fantastic example of how FOMO works, tho, and how manipulative it is. They're putting out a bunch of limited time cosmetics so the only recourse, if you don't have time to play literally every day, is to spend money

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Shameful

wanton isle
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hence my take on the store being removed would fix part of the extra fomo

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but lets see where the road goes

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even as an active-ish player, i dont seem to be able to reach 120

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or if i do, at least not the exiled drip

lusty inlet
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It sounds like they're going to rework progress speed though

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Plus whatever future special missions

wanton isle
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i mean, why does high-end PVM get rewarded with 440 and almost-little-afk skilling only 240

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its a slap in the face

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everything should be equal

stray plank
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huh?

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Because high end PvM is way more engaging and you won't be able to keep doing it for as long as afk skilling?

wise arch
wanton isle
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anyway, im off, dinnertime calls

calm hare
lusty inlet
stray plank
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Pretty sure all these figures are how long it would take without any missions no?

calm hare
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I believe so yeah

wise arch
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These are the numbers someone else posted a bit earlier in this channel

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stray plank
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What do you guys think the appopriate number of hours should be?

calm hare
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I'm a nolifer so my perception could be skewed, but for full completion? 3 hours/day, with an absolute minimum of 2 before it might get too fast

dawn phoenix
wise arch
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Yak Track's Skill & Kill was like 3-4 hours per day on average which I thought was fairly appropriate

calm hare
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do you recall how much progress the repeatable task required? was it 50?

stray plank
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but aren't these figures okay with you guys then?

icy timber
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I used to be able to complete Yak Tracks in within a week of release then have the rest of the time not worrying about yak track

hearty pewter
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Who doesn't play rs for 16 hours a day tho?

calm hare
hearty pewter
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Like do you guys not not have lives?

stray plank
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ups

stray plank
wise arch
dawn phoenix
elder kettle
vague dew
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They're still updating the speed at which stuff is earned on Monday so that should be good
(not to mention future special missions)

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oh yeah I'm still hoping they add this armour to the game too

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it's on the promo art for the pass but you can't get it anywhere

harsh tapir
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its there already

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the faces aren't shadowed but all those sets are in the pass or the store

wise arch
vague dew
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the faces must be shadowed

harsh tapir
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nah

vague dew
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they should release an alternate version or fix the promotional art

harsh tapir
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faces are too much effort

vague dew
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i'm glad they're hiding the game's shitty faces in the promo art but they should take that a step further and hide them in-game too

harsh tapir
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that dev time is better spent elsewhere

vague dew
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then the armour should not release at all, or they should not go through the effort of editing out the faces

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after all the armour is pretty lame with the face

stray plank
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I think this looks cool

vague dew
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usually art isn't a bottleneck anyway so it should be no problem

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but for some reason jagex keeps saying that they had no time to do art before release (inverted capes, god armour)

wanton isle
hearty pewter
wanton isle
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radiant warden outfit

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vague dew
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face still visible

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🚮

harsh tapir
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of all the things to care about 🤦

wanton isle
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and that's why i sport a combatant's hood.

hazy merlin
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For any jmods that keep tabs on this channel, I want to extend a heartfelt thank you for truly listening to player feedback, implementing a solution as best you could, and putting up with the same endless complaints many of you faced this past week. In my opinion, the response that came out today does much to begin repairing the player-develop relationship, and I look forward to hearing more about how this communication will be fostered in the weeks and months to come. I think some sort of concrete agreement between the players and developers about content that should and should not be touched would be a solid foundation. Something akin to the OSRS poll system that is still respected 10 years after its conception. Again, thank you for genuine feedback

vague dew
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of course I care about the cosmetic part

dreamy drift
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the post today actually made me happy to play agian... but i will be keeping an eye on how it goes from here.

vague dew
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otherwise it's a fairly empty track (even though most of this game's track cosmetics are not intended to be used by most players / filler anyway)

harsh tapir
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speaking of old daily challenges, i wonder if they're gonna replace the direct xp with bonus xp for irons to bring that integrity back

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or just not give them xp at all

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but camel's polls seem to indicate irons do want that xp in the form of bonus xp

vague dew
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make it bonus XP for ALL players

harsh tapir
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👍

vague dew
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and nobody will complain because it's stars instead of lamps, so it's overall more xp anyway

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  • might feel faster because it's effective dxp
harsh tapir
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when i see those snowflake old school accounts that plan around solely using genie lamps to get to a certain level, i'm always thinking how stupid and unintended that is

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if you wanna level the skill, go train the skill

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treasure hunter should also turn all lamps into stars

wanton isle
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i'd go crazy day 1

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if you roll the bad chunk, you're pretty much screwed in every way possible

harsh tapir
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🫡 verf and limpwurt

vague dew
calm hare
vague dew
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then he died to a feral vampyre while afk and lost it

calm hare
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LOL

vague dew
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then he got it again i think

calm hare
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billions down the drain thanks to a vampyre

vague dew
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competition for implings is outdated

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both RS and OSRS should have implings and kami instanced to the player

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similar to the ones that spawn while fishing or woodcutting

harsh tapir
calm hare
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damn, that's impressive 👀

vague dew
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oh right he didn't end up getting another and did ToB without it

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don't remember what the setup was

fleet vortex
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Did the post say when daily tasks would return

lusty birch
vague dew
fleet vortex
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Thanks

signal spade
vague dew
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JMod tip jar
seems like very bad idea, no need to elaborate

signal spade
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Fair enough, there's probably stuff I'm not considering

lusty inlet
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Maximum utility

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Who needs glowing eyes

vague dew
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seems reasonable, OSRS has a no head cosmetic but gives no stats

grizzled mountain
lusty inlet
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Instructions exactly clear

wanton isle
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dont lose your way

limpid pelican
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silly dullahan forgot their armour and mount

wanton isle
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dem chiseled abs tho

grizzled mountain
limpid pelican
wanton isle
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lowkey wish we could get this in rs3

grizzled mountain
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oh, you wanted meat there...

wanton isle
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how did you recap yourself?

gleaming trail
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FYI, the [IM] in my name doesn't mean "International Master" (like someone thought :x0:)

grizzled mountain
wanton isle
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now i realise i said recap

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i meant decap

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god can it be next week friday already to see if i can claim some extra sleep in life.

grizzled mountain
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Traumatically

wanton isle
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potential sleep apnea sucks.

grizzled mountain
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in terms of in-game, it's just a trick

fleet vortex
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Idk why they don't start taking those halloween type themed outfits and putting them in oddments or marketplace

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during halloween obv then removing once halloween ends until next year

wanton isle
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i'd rather it be earnable through normal play

fleet vortex
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As would I but it would at least help consume runecoins/oddments players have been trying to get rid of for years now

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No keepsake box increase is a huge turn off for those with not enough money to just start removing things from their box to add new ones constantly

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and I would say it's fair to assume most long term players own everything or at least everything they want from solomons/marketplace

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We need more incentive for turning bonds into runecoins or turning TH loot into oddments

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We continue getting newer cosmetics in physical form and if they were to rebalance the cost of keepsake keys + extend the keepsake box to 200 or more if at all possible we would see more bond consumption regularly and it would help chew away at runecoin stacks so players are more likely to buy bonds to help with more consumption

grizzled mountain
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the last few years for the halloween event were their trial runs to re-release some older cosmetics in the shope for em, but, players had issues with the event repeating, and wanted something new.

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easter and halloween were made into hubs specifically for repeating and re-releasing reward purposes.

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and given the backlash they got with a christmas event where they tried to re-release some events while trying not to re-release cosmetics because players would be even madder, it's a fine line for them to try and cross.

fleet vortex
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Whoever does the Halloween events have at least been giving us all short little miniquests like old times with guaranteed rewards at the end for all users

grizzled mountain
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reddit had almost the same level fit they had for hero pass, when the snowglobe was re-released.

wanton isle
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i would love to get the older crap

grizzled mountain
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oh, and for marionettes too. but, even then, i rarely see people use em pre+post fits

wanton isle
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but the elitists go BUT MUH 2003 SCYTHE WOULDNT BE A RARE, REEEEEEEEE

fleet vortex
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I personally don't mind seeing my old discontinued holiday rewards be obtainable again by newer players

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People like me have had 19+ years to enjoy what we have

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Newer players should not be left out because they were too young or never got into runescape in time

grizzled mountain
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they lose "Value" if it gets re-released, as it invalidates their accounts creation dates.

fleet vortex
wanton isle
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all the more reason to re-release them!

fleet vortex
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Hence why I wish they would just re-release all older cosmetics to kill that side off

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OSRS eliminated this issue entirely by re-releasing everything every year

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and none of their players are upset about it

wanton isle
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and it also kills off phat rarity

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(for osrs)

stoic knot
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Wait just realized. With the return of daily challenges. What’s going to happen with our skip tokens that you converted? @obsidian nimbus

fleet vortex
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Odds are we will have to stack them back up which is fine tbh

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Not that big of a deal

wanton isle
#

they're probably still gone

fleet vortex
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but I have yet to convince them to do it :\

vague dew
grizzled mountain
#

well, when it happens, it blows your head away.

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🤯

desert oracle
#

hero pass bad, can we please stop paying mtx for rs3 and OS?

fleet vortex
calm hare
#

also all the membership for all the players that can't afford to pay with IRL $

vague dew
vague dew
desert oracle
#

but does osrs mtx satisfy the greed of investors?

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cba picking up their tab

muted mauve
#

osrs has to have bonds because of bot farms so gp has low value per million same is with rs3 if we would have bot farms in same extend bonds are keeping rwt with shady firm at bay and gives an option to others to enjoy the game to full extent

hearty pewter
nocturne aspen
#

@eternal delta that was entirely inappropriate. penalty box for that one.

digital birch
#

Woke up go some amazing news in the announcements channel!! It worked guys

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Now to extend my membership again, because they listened to the community 🙏🏼💙

rapid wagon
#

Daily challenges used to be the reason why I log in to game every day. Sometimes I used to play longer just because of that. Now I’ve noticed that I’ve lost passion to play at all. Well done Jagex.

nocturne aspen
#

you will be happy to hear that part then

calm hare
digital birch
hearty pewter
#

Kinda sad that daily challenges are returning. They could've just added the rewards that daily challenges would give to the daily missions...

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As a dev I would be severely pissed right now. Probably cursing "we could just add it to the daily missions but sure let me work to undo all my work, it's fine whatever"

nocturne aspen
#

i think reverting things to the original state is fine since there can be a bit of dialogue about their concerns for daily challenges

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and how the community feels

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and the gap can be bridged

jovial thistle
#

+1 agree

queen igloo
marble kayak
#

Hoping the 25% xp penalty on F2P is gone though.

rapid wagon
stoic knot
#

Well hopefully hero pass doesn’t become a recurrent quarterly thing. There should be breaks between these passes

nocturne aspen
#

i wouldn't mind having a constant background feature going on

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it is really nice whenever you are max xp and need additional things to work on

limpid pelican
#

man the whole pass drama just got me too demotivated to even log in.
think they finally broke me after 19 years.

opaque knoll
#

🤣

calm hare
nocturne aspen
#

this is new to me

nocturne aspen
limpid pelican
#

dead gods can always get zanik'd

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but this

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i've been on edge about the mtx bs for years

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we've been promised better before

wanton isle
#

pretttty sure if a god dies, they're dead dead

limpid pelican
#

nothing a "warlords of draenor" can't fix

wise arch
#

lore says you forfeit your right to an afterlife by ascending to godhood iirc

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it would be a massive retcon to change that now lol

limpid pelican
#

just gotta kidnap a guthix from another timeline

nocturne aspen
#

the way i have always approached mtx is "do i interact with it with my current goal or does it take away the social element that i enjoy in the game?"

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and if it checks both, i will have an issue

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but normally it never does

limpid pelican
#

it's a splinter in my eyes

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a rot in the core of the focus of an addictive form on enjoyment

wise arch
limpid pelican
#

the only reason i didn't hate on yaktracks quite as much was because after the first fuckups they included it into premier

nocturne aspen
#

a break away from things is never a bad thing- especially if you are feeling disenfranchised

limpid pelican
#

but the fact that they kept fucking it up

nocturne aspen
#

when you play games, you should enjoy your time

wanton isle
#

I'd rather they release less cosmetics but look incredible than release 10 sets of armour, but they're copy-paste recolors.

limpid pelican
#

and it's come to this point, again

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i just can't anymore

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i don't even care enough anymore to censor my choice of words for this

nocturne aspen
#

completely fair. i am sticking around due to how evident the passion is in the mods and how they want to make things right by the community

limpid pelican
#

because if they don't care about ethics

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why would i

nocturne aspen
#

well

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i do

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since it isn't jagex dealing with server related issues

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it is volunteers

limpid pelican
#

server related issues?

nocturne aspen
#

this discord server, ye

limpid pelican
#

right, fair enough

wanton isle
#

oh, i was about to talk about the servers randomly shitting the bed

calm hare
#

Please let saint finally get his weekly hour of sleep 😂

blissful hearth
#

We do let him take dinner breaks sometimes

nocturne aspen
#

tbf, the servers are experiencing issues due to external factors

wanton isle
#

potatoes are overcooked

limpid pelican
#

well i'm not the kinda guy to use vulgar terminology beyond the occasional rant slippage

nocturne aspen
#

aws and other servers needing to let their hamsters rest

limpid pelican
#

's a mood alright

wanton isle
#

im curious to what the real cause was for that lockout month

calm hare
#

Did the servers not eat their vegetables again like Kari foretold? D:

nocturne aspen
vague dew
#

clicking this does not actually open the hero pass

image.png
nocturne aspen
#

i am sure if you google things, you can probably find the announcement post

limpid pelican
wise arch
#

I still remember that message Kari put in chat explaining the lockout lol

nocturne aspen
#

i try to forget

limpid pelican
wanton isle
#

reading the wiki, i cant find a reason at all

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and usually the wiki is the best sumup point

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only that in february there were server issues later resulting in a crash on march 4th

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man, to think that's already 2 years ago

#

time flies.

calm hare
nocturne aspen
#

cursed

wanton isle
#

must've been a wholeass server that went and crapped out.

calm hare
#

One day I'll have a questionable quote about you saint, just you wait 😂

wanton isle
#

eventually

wise arch
# wanton isle must've been a wholeass server that went and crapped out.

From memory, login servers had crashed and they had to do a rollback on a small portion of players. Unfortunately, a few players had their characters be rolled back far beyond what was expected and so Jagex locked those players out of their accounts until the problem could be resolved. Unfortunately, Jagex didn't have an up to date save file and so endeavored to use their telemetry data, which was more up to date to fix the issue. Jagex was able to resolve the issue and those who had been locked out got some special compensation.

grizzled mountain
vague dew
limpid pelican
wanton isle
#

now, cancel saint by looking up tweets from 10 years ago!

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I will call it twitter and i will keep calling it tweets.

hybrid maple
#

I hope they increase the hero points dramatically.

Now that you can't buy the pass levels I think most people won't complete it.
I imagine most people would have gotten to the 80-100 range and bought the rest.

It's a win that the buffs are going to be removed though.

I guess it doesn't really matter anyway considering there was only two good cosmetics in the entire pass+points shop

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Other then the lamps I don't see much point in doing it at all now

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The low tier rewards are mid at best

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The buffs imo were definitely a problem but besides that I don't really get the outrage. They already sell cosmetics.

I guess I could also see people that don't buy primer being upset. That kind of sucks too. But I play enough primer is the only deal for membership that makes sense. Max bonuses lowest monthly price

ocean wolf
#

I like how asmongolds reaction made Jagex team panic

hybrid maple
#

I doubt it was that.

Much more likely it was the massive outrage on all platforms and the mass of subscription cancellations.

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The influence is more powerful then his actual reaction

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Not that his following doesn't just swallow whatever he says just cause he's a streamer. They definitely do.

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Much more powerful that people agreed. Maybe they will at least add the cosmetics as purchasable for runecoins so people who cared can still get them

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Even though it will cost way more to buy each item with runecoins then it would to buy the rewards up to 120 with the previous pricing

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I don't think people would anyway. Half of them were trash. Only a few were any good. As usual.

digital birch
#

Asmongold's video is amazing lol

limpid pelican
#

guy's got that magic touch

digital birch
fossil helm
#

Well. I stand corrected. I was completely convinced that they would do nothing to change the MTX part of hero pass. I was wrong.

But what really matters is that they're bringing back the daily challenges. I think I'll play today

crystal radish
#

Wow jus saw the announcement - i think its a good step forward and also happy daily challenges are back

harsh tapir
#

its exactly what all the reasonable people who opposed the system wanted, can't really ask for more

tardy torrent
#

I wonder if they will refund me in bonds.

hybrid maple
#

I mean, it doesn't really fix the issues with most people not completing it yet that's kind of tbd, and it doesn't give any real options for people with limited playtime to unlock the cosmetics at high tiers. The reasonable thing would be if people wanted to pay for the cosmetics just let them. People already pay for runecoins cosmetics and no one cares about that.

They said they will adjust it so XP gain is faster but unless it is like extremely extremely better it doesn't exactly solve all the issues. Just the important ones as far as most of the mtx for gains

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Unless I misunderstood it. Which is entirely possible.

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I know they said they will make hero points rates faster etc but it still is not much of a solution for someone who gets like 10 hrs to play a week unless it's buffed like 15x more points daily.

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All we can hope for on that front is the buff to point gains is massive.

Really sucks though that people who work a lot won't have any chance of getting any of the good cosmetics.

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Maybe they will let you buy them for rune coins after the passes end.

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Which is pretty much the same thing mtx wise.

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As buying the levels. It might even end up more expensive if you want all of them. I just want two of the outfits though

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Some of the cosmetics in the pass looked low effort from the get go and not really worth it.

dull juniper
#

I actually like a lot of them. The only sets I am not a big fan of is the elite Frem set, but that's entirely because it just isn't my style.

dense jetty
#

I want to thank Jagex for listening to the players on the feedback of the Heropass.
It's great that they are listening and want to improve it for future.

forest urchin
# tardy torrent I wonder if they will refund me in bonds.

If you purchased Premier Pass prior to this news post and no longer want it, or you are unhappy about any other purchase please contact customer support for a refund.
Please be aware we will deal with any refund requests as quickly as possible, but we may experience some delays, so please bear with us.

digital birch
#

Yay for dailies coming back

stoic knot
#

so nothing changed...

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we ended up with the same dailyscape and a rehashed yaktrack

outer oriole
#

What did you expect to happen

stoic knot
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no idea. but not this

outer oriole
#

I mean if you dont know what you want idt its fair to be upset with em

stoic knot
#

i mean i feel like dissapointment is warranted. an advertised major update ended up being nothing but more yaktrack

waxen garden
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as long as I can still get my cosmetics, idc what they do

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It was a mistake to call it a major update, and they apologized for that.

outer oriole
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They’ve apologised for the miscommunication and have changed things people had issues with

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If you dont know what you dislike theres 0 chance jagex will know to be able to try to make you happier

harsh tapir
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just not the kind one would conventionally think about

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if anything its maybe a bit sad that sentence has been accociated so closely with content updates and that caused a misunderstanding

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if it was a major content update, it would have said so

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could maybe have added a word to specify, "major update" is just a bit too vague

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i would probably have called it a major reward(s) system(s) update

wheat scaffold
#

which made me think of things like porting the main combat styles to 120

dreamy drift
#

i hope they dont do 120 on the main combats... such an unnecessary long grind.

harsh tapir
#

it will definitely happen eventually

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maybe even sooner than we think

dreamy drift
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i would love a main combats rework, but so tired of the 120 skills

wheat scaffold
#

I feel like 120 combats are a forced eventuality when it comes to gear progression

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we’re on t95s and have maybe 2 years or so before we see another tier jump

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And iirc someone at Jagex said they didn’t like the tiny jump from t90 to t92 so I’m guessing the next tiers of gear will be t99

dreamy drift
#

i love the niche weps if they made them actually good...

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i had such high hopes for the ripper claws

waxen garden
#

knowing jagex we'll get t93 or something. damage of t90 but accuracy of t95 or some shit

wheat scaffold
waxen garden
dreamy drift
#

they get outshined by t90 drygores. they were doa

harsh tapir
#

glacor swords are better than drygores wdym

wheat scaffold
dreamy drift
#

yes the claws were doa.

harsh tapir
#

yeah, that's fair then

wheat scaffold
#

I kind of hope that they make an enchantment which uses ripper claws in the recipe to give them a little value

waxen garden
#

claws are a good cheap weapon if you couldn't afford drygores back then.

wheat scaffold
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maybe even use camel staff / wyvern cbows in some

dreamy drift
#

the effect only starts at 50% hp and the damage increase is a minor 5%. overall it was better even at high hp bosses only to switch to the claws at maybe below 20% hp.

harsh tapir
dreamy drift
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i want a buff to the ripper claws, bone blowpipe, wyvern cbow and camel staff...

wheat scaffold
#

Also man, I really hope Jagex does something with cinderbanes

harsh tapir
#

make it last as long as it normally does with str cape and spear combined, and then make it unaffected by both

dreamy drift
#

lanekia spear is kinda good at times

wheat scaffold
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its kinda boring there’s been little to no change in the glove slot anywhere poisonable since they launched

dreamy drift
#

i would rather see more of those types of gloves. like a glove that extends bleeds or causes them

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personally i would love a upgrade to the bracelet of death

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make it a very tanky item, that you want to take hits. you put your self in more risk but get high rewards from it.

wheat scaffold
#

I wanna see a new set of gloves for range with a passive effect thats different to nm gaunts

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hell, tie it into a t95 ranged power armour set, I’m game for that

dreamy drift
#

i would love a glove that would make pierce and needle strike do increased damage every time they are used against a target

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every stack gives say a .1% damage increase.

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stacks up to high numbers

wheat scaffold
#

that would be kinda busted with how good piercing shot is now

dreamy drift
#

i mean its good but not insane. the problem i see personally with range is it just kinda flat lines if your not using poison

wheat scaffold
#

Not always, its super good at places like zammy still

dreamy drift
#

sry this is coming from a pvmer that cant do high lvl bosses

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sanctum gaurdian is prob the hardest boss i can kill

wheat scaffold
#

The main thing with range is that you kind of need to think of your rotation a little differently depending on a variety of factors of the boss

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like,

  • are they 3x3 or bigger
    yes: I should make sure I have adrenaline to SGB spec when its off CD
    no: I shouldn’t SGB spec
dreamy drift
#

yea, i suck at just keeping up with the boss mechanics. that is why i say the hardest boss i can do is sanctum gaurdian. but people are probably getting annoyed that we went way off topic for this channel

wanton isle
#

for fun i tried to see what it says if i hit the buy skips

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keyword here being "currently"

frozen mesa
#

they require a pretty specific set of criteria before they actually surpass performance of other strats. mid-high enrage arch glacor for instance

dreamy drift
#

understandable, i was just listing my personal experience with ranged.

gleaming trail
#

I don't think they added a specific message just for this, since it just says 'this item' which is generic. I recall seeing the same message when they had to disable the 'Pearl' pet briefly due to a pricing error that caused it to say "Free" in the store when it wasn't.

limpid pelican
#

i for one will not be convinced until it's in

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and even then, the next time this pull this kinda crap, and they will.
we'l be right back here

wet jackal
#

wow ppl felt hero pass was p2W?

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i guess i completely overlooked that

waxen garden
#

some elements could be concidered P2W, mainly the buffs.

wet jackal
#

i only viewed it as too "grindy"

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but then if you think about it one could argue that they intentionally set an unrealistically high amount of playtime req

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to force most ppl to buy levels

waxen garden
#

you would be correct

wet jackal
#

yeah i totally overlooked that

waxen garden
#

they did say that only about 30% of players could finish the pass withouyt skips

wet jackal
#

i really wish daily challenge comeback is just a temp thing though

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rs really needs a more streamlined gameplay system

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and splitting dailyscapes across diff systems/interfaces isn't a part of that

waxen garden
#

i doubt it, people love their dailies, i dont see them going away again anytime soon

wet jackal
#

i think there would have been lot less lashback

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if the interface was better

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cuz daily challenge interface is very clean performant and intuitive

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whereas hero pass interface is feels confusing and sluggish af

wanton isle
#

especially if you look at F2P games and their BP cost

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and then compare it to the 3 bond/25 bucks

opaque knoll
wanton isle
#

just checking WZ, FN and OW2, all their passes are 10.

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30% of the player base, at active play @opaque knoll

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and this is not with counting the extra grind for hero shop cosmetics

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which imo shouldnt even exist

#

you're punished for not logging in

opaque knoll
#

Correct. But at no point did they say ‘without buying skips’ 😀 I agree with the majority but I like facts and quotes from Jagex 😀

wanton isle
#

these's no such thing as "catch-up mechanic" on dailies

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the pass was designed to sell skips

#

change my mind

opaque knoll
#

If someone feels punished for not playing a game, it’s a them problem not a game problem.

I like when people say change my mind. They have zero interest in changing their mind because tunnel vision. This was no shots being fired. Might’ve been designed to sell skips - but you’re not forced to buy skips.

waxen garden
opaque knoll
#

🤣 fomo. I just learnt not long ago what this was hahah! Again, player problem not game problem in my opinion.

waxen garden
#

I agree.

opaque knoll
#

I understood 😀 it’s crazy

stray plank
#

imo depending on how many additional special missions were planned, the original hero pass was better than yak track in every single way

ocean skiff
#

Agreed

wanton isle
#

im lost here, what do you mean with "original hero pass"

#

nothing so far has changed but removal of pay 2 win aspect.

stray plank
#

What P2W?

wanton isle
#

also, the issue with special missions is that the game needs new content to bring in new special missions

stray plank
#

The PvM buff was in no way P2W

wanton isle
#

aight, pay to skip ahead then

waxen garden
#

True, but being able to buy a damage reduction for real money is what put people off

stray plank
#

That existed with yak track as well

waxen garden
#

we didnt get any pvm buffs with yak track

wanton isle
#

at least it was more bang for your buck

stray plank
#

I meant the skips

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I still don't understand who exactly the pvm buffs helped other than beginners trying to learn zamorak

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and do ed4

waxen garden
#

iirc, they said there wouldnt be any skips to buy, but then it released with skips

stray plank
#

I'm pretty sure they just didn't mention them

waxen garden
#

the buffs themselves weren't the issue

#

being able to buy them with irl money was the issue

tight dirge
#

Wasn't learner only, bigger impact at higher enrages, all in all people didn't want a system locked behind a paid benefit.
We've had damage reduction before but it was open for all with the golden cape buff.

wanton isle
#

especially given the only free bout of chaos ward was locked behind 90+

waxen garden
#

that too

tight dirge
#

I much rather see theme events for all than locked a paywall too.

#

I loved the winter weeks back in the day

#

Bigger chance of getting pyramide plunder gear etc

stray plank
#

So if there were no skips or if the skips somehow didn't grant you buffs (let's say that they required "organically" getting X amount of levels) that would have been acceptable?

wheat scaffold
#

I’d rather just no buffs full stop than anything

waxen garden
#

stick the buff in an in-game event that you can't buy your way through.

tight dirge
#

With the current way things are headed this will be a reward system that let's you do whatever you like whilst getting cosmetics items from it. Yak track forced you a bit more getting into their choice to get something.

stray plank
#

I feel like functionally there is very little difference between when you were able to buy cryptobloom (with selling bonds bought with irl money if you were poor) to afk gwd2 and buying skips for damage reduction to be completely honest.

wanton isle
#

Yak Track really needed 3 options per task imo

stray plank
#

Yet people didn't seem to lose their minds over the cryptobloom afk in quite a similar way

wanton isle
#

A and B are skills and C is skill and Kill

tight dirge
#

You still connect more to another player that way

waxen garden
#

i never did the skill and kill tasks

wheat scaffold
#

Equipment that you can obtain ingame and buffs that are innately tied to an MTX system are entirely uncomparable

waxen garden
#

i would do the regular task, or skip it entirely if it was a dg/agility task

wheat scaffold
#

plus, Crypt/AD have the opportunity cost of not being able to use power armour

wanton isle
#

If Yak Track used the same system as the clue tasks, it would've been a peak system.

Certain low-tier actions only give small points, whereas the slower, high tier actions would give more points.

waxen garden
#

the dps difference between crypt and tect isn't a whole lot

wheat scaffold
#

it still exists, and its noticeable

stray plank
#

And the damage reduction buff has the opportunity cost of not being able to increase enrage and having to do the whole dungeon run if I'm understanding it correctly no?

tight dirge
#

But with higher enrage comes bigger chance at loot, if you hardly managed to do 500/1000 you push it more consistant

#

You might not push enrage but drop wise it would help

stray plank
#

Sure I agree with that, but that's why it's limited with charges no?

#

And profit wise, is it really better to do a 500% full ed4 run (with buff) vs a lower enrage zamorak only (without the damage reducing buff)?

#

I may be misunderstanding something so feel free to correct me.

waxen garden
#

technically yes, because doing a full run helps with drop rates

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but after the 25 runs to be able to skip to zam, then its not worth doing

stray plank
#

So it's fair to say it disproportionately benefits beginners that have yet to do the 25 runs right?

waxen garden
#

kind of ye

lusty inlet
#

Did the buff count towards the 25?

waxen garden
#

That I don't know

frozen mesa
lusty inlet
#

I think that was a bug

#

Based on the wording at least that's how I read it

waxen garden
#

yeah, the buff was only for full runs

frozen mesa
#

🤷 wording or not that’s the way it was pretty sure

#

also i wouldnt trust personal interpretation of news post wording to determine if something is a bug or not as historically that doesn’t work very well aha

stray plank
#

If anything, they should have just made the buff not applicable if you have any enrage or at least put a cap on how high it could be.

proud merlin
#

Let's be fair, for Runescape, a battlepass isn't a bad idea.

#

It was the execution that was done so terribly.

frozen mesa
#

For me, Hero Pass completely aside, a buff like this still isn’t a great way to drive Zamorak progression.

The way that difficulty scales between 99 and 100% is a fundamental design flaw in my opinion, and using a damage reduction buff rather than addressing that flaw on a more permanent basis to help people make that step isn’t the right way

#

Telos had a similar issue on release, arguably worse. That could have served as an opportunity to address it for Zamorak imo

proud merlin
#

If they want to drive engagement into content, they have to offer something different as a path forward

#
  1. For PVM, Practice Mode needs to be better.
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PVM is expensive.

#

Not even gear wise, but supply-wise.

#

The gear has gotten easier to get, so that's not a major problem.

#

(Necromancy)

#

But, food + potions.

#

That shit's expensive.

#

If practice mode was more instanced where it, as some have suggested "snapshotted your gear and inventory"

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Or they offered unique items that had the same effect, that could only be used in practice mode.

limpid pelican
#

they wouldn't need to incentivise player engagement if they didn't push them out in the first place

#

the fact that we're years into "battle pass" style crap

#

and they still don't support bankstanding in them

#

just shows how damn disconnected some of the decision making people are

#

wanna do a minigame? better not bother becuase if ya don't get random 1 xp drops every few minutes you're wasting grind time on your pass

#

wanna enjoy the community?

outer oriole
#

Bankstanding shouldnt be counted tho

waxen garden
#

why would bankstanding progress anything if you're just standing there doing nothing?

limpid pelican
#

any time spend online

waxen garden
#

Yeah no.

limpid pelican
#

oughta count for "skill and chill"

#

it's the 2nd half of the damn sentence

marble kayak
#

Killing mobs without drops don't count either despite killing.

waxen garden
#

It's "skill and kill"

outer oriole
waxen garden
#

not chill.

marble kayak
#

Such an outdated mechanic.

outer oriole
#

Its skill and kill

limpid pelican
#

maybe that's the probem then ain't it

waxen garden
#

But standing and doing nothing shouldn't reward you anything at all.

limpid pelican
#

tell that

outer oriole
#

Ye why should i be rewarded for logging in and staying logged in all day doing nothing

limpid pelican
#

to the rest for 150 minutes achievement

outer oriole
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Thats a for fun achievement lmao

marble kayak
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Give points for clicking in the game every minute.

limpid pelican
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i'd be fine with that

outer oriole
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You’re talking about the lack of player engagement that is incentivised

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And then you want people to not engage and get rewards

limpid pelican
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no, what i'm saying is that people literally can't do aspects of the game

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without it actively being a demerit to their grinding

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just give 1 point / minute

outer oriole
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Just afk skill if you want to bankstand

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Theres 0 way you should get points for simply being logged in

proud merlin
#

We won the day, though many are saying that we didn't. That this backtracking by Jagex was planned. That the rollback code was already there.

That might be true. But, somehow, I don't think it is.

So, now, while we give some slack and let them bring what they ruined back. Once they do, we keep pushing. Until we reach a point where we can say we are truly satisfied with where the game is in relation to MTX. That is my opinion.

limpid pelican
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winning the day doesn't mean jack

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we've "won the day" repeatedly for a fucking decade

waxen garden
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Yet here we all are, still playing the game. Seems to work. XD

limpid pelican
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i've not played since thursday

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i have multiple years, of active playtime

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and they drove me out

outer oriole
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How

waxen garden
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I've averaged 8 hours a day for 18 years. Nothing will get me to stop playing this game.

limpid pelican
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i thought the same

outer oriole
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You didnt get skill and kill progress in yak track for bankstanding

limpid pelican
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i don't care about that

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i said that as an example

waxen garden
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Either way, you shouldn't be rewarded for doing nothing.

limpid pelican
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logging in at all is the metric they care about

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so it oughta be the part they reward for

outer oriole
outer oriole
waxen garden
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i'm indifferent to the daily challenges. I never did them anyway

outer oriole
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You really think people like jack doom azanna only care about login numbers?

limpid pelican
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if you spent an hour chopping elder trees

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and an hour chopping willows

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you get more point for willows, than elders

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simply based on the xp intervals

marble kayak
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You get points even for 'chance' on xp.

limpid pelican
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if they actually changed that mechanic for this battle pass compared to how yaktrack did it, i will take my words back

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i'd be very much surprised if they did though

proud merlin
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If we can get rid of the predatory MTX practices in the game. Then we've won the war.

limpid pelican
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just because they stopped cutting holes in the ship, doesn't remove the water they let in

dawn phoenix
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how long does it take to get 2,000 and 6,000 points?

wanton isle
limpid pelican
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gotta make them shelves

wanton isle
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not like they can empty some of the full ones out

limpid pelican
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they can't afford more bankspace

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all that moolah's going to investors

lusty inlet
dawn phoenix
wanton isle
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240/h at no afk skilling

limpid pelican
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purely on skilling that's 500+ minutes, give or take due to timing with triggers

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for 2k

wanton isle
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so assume 200/h per hour

dawn phoenix
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oof

marble kayak
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There's also 5 MoW for 1 point, so you can squeeze in a bonus 200 points per hour.

wanton isle
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assuming you can actively get the whole pound per hour

dawn phoenix
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so 10 hrs a day for 2k and 30 hrs a day for 6k....

wanton isle
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30 hours a day

waxen garden
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sounds good to me

dawn phoenix
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lol

limpid pelican
waxen garden
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(i play too much so it works for me)

dawn phoenix
lusty inlet
dawn phoenix
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so if one wanted to go "casual" and just do 1 lvl a day then the missions would be needed

lusty inlet
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The missions help a ton

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Weeklies give you 1250

wanton isle
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casually 1 level per day is still 5 hours tho

lusty inlet
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Nah gotta count the daily missions you'll complete

wanton isle
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slightly less than 4

lusty inlet
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Yeah it's a little tricky to keep adding things in but if you're paying that much you'll easily hit the 3 dailies every day and the recurring weekly

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Weeklies are 1250

wanton isle
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i dont see any special tasks being added till next month

lusty inlet
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Plus the general mission which I think is another 1250?

wanton isle
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there's no "Major update" this month

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well, im wrong

dawn phoenix
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i think they did mention that they made it so they could add different things too later on down the road

wanton isle
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we already had it.

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just gotta throw that shade on mtx being the major update.

lusty inlet
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Oh general is 2000

wanton isle
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2500, no?

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and gives 1250

lusty inlet
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What do all 3 tiers of dailies give?

wanton isle
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oh no, you meant the general weekly task

lusty inlet
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Recurring weekly takes 2500 hero points and gives 1250 yeah

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General is the random do x and gives 2000

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It's very confusing naming 😂

wanton isle
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cold take, but the one that gives 1250 points should be 1250 hero points to finish it, not 2500.

dawn phoenix
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Basic is 1250, general is 2000 and special is 5000 if i am reading it right

lusty inlet
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I can't find how many points the dailies give

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I want to say 125?

wanton isle
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3x 125

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should've been 125, 125, 250

lusty inlet
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And to finish is it 10/50/100?

dawn phoenix
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think so

wanton isle
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yup

lusty inlet
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Ok so hypothetically if you did all 7 dailies you'd earn 1120 points plus 2625 for completion.

You'd then need an additional 1380 for the weekly which would give you 1250 as a bonus.

Then completing your general weekly would give you 2000

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And you could probably do all that in under an hour a day of play if you were super efficient / that was your only goal

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Which would give you 8,375 points a week

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Ignoring special missions

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And that would get you to 99

dawn phoenix
#

then the 120 grind kicks in lol

wet jackal
#

battle passes in other games are mostly focused on getting you to log in and give a cost efficient means of reducing grinds

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but runescape hero pass is a massive grindfest in itself

nocturne aspen
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i love a good grind on rs

wet jackal
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yeah but that's the exact opposite of what battle passes are usually supposed to do

waxen garden
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Yeah, but this is Runescape. Everything is a grind.

humble schooner
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That's because runescape's battle pass wasn't actually designed for engagement, it was designed to sell skips. The yak track was originally designed for engagement, but that got corrupted very quickly.

wet jackal
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you had to play minimum 2+ hrs every day to get lvl 70

humble schooner
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The original design could be finished in a week or two, even casually. They forced gameplay, which isn't great obviously... but they were clearly intended to be completed.

lusty inlet
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Skill and kill exclusively was closer to 3.5/4 I think

nocturne aspen
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the missions make it less grindy than the previous yak tracks

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since before, all i did was the skill n kill track to finish

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now i will periodically do the missions

humble schooner
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The most recent yak tracks were definitely abominations, and clearly set the precedent for their goals in hero pass.

nocturne aspen
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it was much longer than previous ones so i didn't mind

humble schooner
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But I enjoyed the first few yak tracks unironically

nocturne aspen
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plus i got a lot of tokens to collect missed outfits and what not

wet jackal
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I didn't like the first yak track

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I think the second or third one was the one i found to be the best

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Though admittedly i didn't like this type of content in the first place at all

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I'd much rather be left to myself to set and pursue in game goals

limpid pelican
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almost like it's a sandbox mmo...

vapid folio
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I liked yak track because as a very late game player I’ve run out of rewards for most stuff I like to do.

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Yak track cosmetics kept me entertained for a few weeks each release.

hearty pewter
#

+4 Hero Points

karmic meadow
hearty pewter
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Some people have one

karmic meadow
#

Looool!!

hearty pewter
#

I added it to my ritual calculator....

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0.02% chance for it to appear on page load

wet jackal
sullen gate
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When people are blinded with money, thus hero pass was born

limpid pelican
#

battle passes could be ingame gold sinks for skips

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just imagine how much ingame gold would be taken out of the economy

tulip knot
#

Did someone say iron tree? :D ironman 🌳 💚

alpine lagoon
tulip knot
#

took me a while to notice, you know how slow things are with trees sometimes ;) lol

rapid wagon
#

I wonder how did hero pass and removing daily challenges affect the total time spent in RuneScape. I believe it fell down dramatically.

pseudo moat
limpid pelican
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when taking a look at the past 7 days

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with player count halving, since necro's release

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on average

rapid wagon
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I didn’t expect necro would break the game so much. I think Jagex should do more research before releasing new content. It’s business after all. If consumers don’t play-less money comes in. Consumer behaviour has changed since the times I’ve started playing. It’s very tricky to add new content without affecting the existing one - barely impossible. If it was my business, I’d probably have added necromancy as a side skill - just like prayer or summoning. Then it wouldn’t have crashed rs economy. I remember EOC release, so many people had quit including me. It ruined the joy of f2p pking. Anyway back to hero pass - I don’t like it. Yak track was better in my opinion. I heard that daily challenges will be reinstated. I hope it happens soon as my playing time decreased from about 10-20 hours a week to a fixed 5minutes.

stoic knot
#

Play testing needs to be better implemented

willow beacon
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(golf clap sarcasm) good job with the cash grab failgex really good job you really set the turd in the punch bowel on this one pay to look pretty sucks in most games personally I buy sell and trade rust skins to flip for IRL cash it don't work like that failgex this isn't call of duty fortnite or battlefront 2 we as players hate micro transactions I personally hate them being shoved in my face your version if it seems to be a cash grab trying to milk RuneScape as much as possible before it dies did you not learn anything from blizzard when they released Diablo immortal? Or Microsoft when they announced the Xbox one? How about Nintendo when they applied an over handed DRM policy none of these companies seem to learn and it looks to me failgex has suddenly turned down the path of EA as far as micro transactions go and will your trashing your own reputation and your community will leave you if you keep doing this crap good job Failgex

Come to the dark side we have cookies

terse barn
frozen mesa
dawn phoenix
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quite the destructive feedback there lol

willow beacon
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It's quite simple a company screws up by shoving pay 2, win micro transactions down people's throats call of duty is now notorious for this remember the loot boxes from battlefront 2 and they uproar that caused jagex is doing the same thing here and what did it do? Oh right it pissed off the community

willow beacon
frozen mesa
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Not police, just made me chuckle is all. You’re good 👍

willow beacon
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Game companies should know by now that gamers are very anti MTX as well as anti P2W

terse barn
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Do u think if they took the cosmetics from hero pass and put them in a rotating hero pass store that it would reduce the fomo?

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I mean honestly how different is it from someone spending it on clothes in real life?

willow beacon
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IRL cloths actually prevent you from being naked virtual cloths give you nothing

nocturne aspen
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@willow beacondon't insult people

terse barn
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@nocturne aspen I didn't find anything about that insulting?

nocturne aspen
#

he was calling people who buy cosmetics dumbasses

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the comment was removed

terse barn
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I mean that's just his opinion but sure I see we're your coming from

dawn phoenix
#

there was something else he said that got instantly removed

nocturne aspen
#

opinions that contain insults get removed

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i know

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i did it

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😛

terse barn
dawn phoenix
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lol

willow beacon
#

I take it nobody remembers the shitstorms I mentioned above created by EA Microsoft and Activision/blizzard why is it that other game companies don't take note of screw ups made by other companies and be like "let's be the guys to not do that" and here we are it's jagex's turn

terse barn
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And it's not like they don't have plenty examples of passes that are shown to work and spend the time finding out why they work

willow beacon
#

Right it obviously didn't work in those communities so why on earth would jagex think it would work in their community the RS3 and old school communities have rioted and boycotted for a lot less

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All while laughing hysterically as they take their wallet elsewhere

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Just to push the point remember free trade /wilderness removal remember the huge eoc riots along with people quitting and stock prices plummeting faster then the Titanic on final plunge

tardy torrent
#

I'd rather use it for keys. 🙂

rugged prism
#

I think Skip can be refunded

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Wasn't it 24 tho?

willow beacon
tardy torrent
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I've got all endgame unfortunately

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Spent a lot on bonds over the years

willow beacon
#

Sing it into necromancy?

tardy torrent
vague dew
#

but i guess you can get that through gameplay

willow beacon
#

Yeah you can if you want to grind for the next 50 or so hours

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And maybe get 2 lvls

tardy torrent
#

I'm currently 125

willow beacon
nocturne aspen
#

ease up on the hostility

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it is unnecessary

terse barn
tardy torrent
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Yeah Anarak 🥲

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Jk, I didn't take it offensively as a cookie sounded good

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🤷‍♀️

willow beacon
#

Aww wtf I can't post gifs?

nocturne aspen
#

you need the iron activity rank

willow beacon
#

I should have that already

nocturne aspen
#

shows you having bronze

willow beacon
#

I've been typing in here for over an hour I should have it by now

tardy torrent
#

I am sad they're nerfing the pass though. Feels bad.

nocturne aspen
#

it is a role automatically given

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you only get xp for 1 message each minute

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so sometimes the time to get it varies

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but you should be close

willow beacon
#

Anyway back to the subject Jagex isn't a multi billion dollar company if anything they'd rank among Ubisoft of square enix and Indy game companies I keep an eye on stocks and Jagex ain't doing well ATM in fact their stock plummited from the second they announced hero pass

dawn phoenix
#

proof?

willow beacon
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Even in the post they say "we fked up we're sorry" honestly I can't count on one hand how many times I've heard that

willow beacon
tardy torrent
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Their stock is up since launch of hero pass

willow beacon
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Can't upload screenshots either

tardy torrent
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Was trading at $31.58 8/29 the day of announcement and it's at $32.35 market close.

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Carlyle Group Inc
NASDAQ: CG

willow beacon
tardy torrent
#

Nah Jagex doesn't impact carlyles share price like at all

dawn phoenix
#

🤷‍♂️

tardy torrent
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Jagex is a very small piece of their holdings

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and their other holdings shit the bed last quarter

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Like really bad

image.png
willow beacon
#

Lol

tardy torrent
#

In 1 quarter they lost 90% of what Jagex makes in an entire year

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To be fair, they reported dumpster fire earnings and their stock price skyrocketed...

willow beacon
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And bud light lost 300billion from the still ongoing boycott

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Sorry 30 billion I put an extra 0 in there by accident

dawn phoenix
#

i rather not get into that conversation

pseudo moat
#

budlight adds water in its beer anyways, so add 0s

willow beacon
#

My point is that's what happens when you piss off your customers

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Lul🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

tardy torrent
#

They dipped right before earnings call in June

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Reported terrible earnings

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Then hopped on elon rocket and went to the moon

willow beacon
#

Don't you mean submersible and got crushed at the bottom of the ocean?

dawn phoenix
tardy torrent
#

Trust Jagex does not influence these numbers in any meaningful way

dawn phoenix
tardy torrent
#

They have an 11.64b market cap

willow beacon
#

Either way this mistake isn't gonna bankrupt the

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Them

tardy torrent
#

They don't even notice it

willow beacon
#

Holy lag Batman I didn't mean to post all that

tardy torrent
#

I'd be shocked if it didn't increase jagex revenue tbh

willow beacon
#

My tin foil hat is nice and pointy when it comes to corporate hacks

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Especially in America

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Every company nowadays is a damn LLC

jovial pagoda
#

Hey are they changing hero point gain? They said they were basing it off 30% of players for a core feature last I recall

vague dew
#

yes

fossil helm
#

Idk if we will see it Monday or not

proud merlin
#

If Jagex wants to make money....and I mean a fuckton

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Merch. Give us some RuneScape merch

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Give us real live party hats.

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Clothing item, etc.

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RuneScape players will eat it up for reasonably priced RuneScape themed goods.

dawn phoenix
#

irl Capes of Accomplishments hans

terse barn
#

lol they wanna make a fuck tonne of money? redo the bank system to be like POE then have courency tabs, herb tab that has all pots, herbs, ingrediants, food tab for all syles of fish raw/cooked. arch relics broken AND restored, clue tabs, ammo tabs sell them for 5$ a pop

stoic knot
vague dew
#

easier way to make money: just 10x the max number of bank spaces

tardy torrent
#

Easiest way to make money, add hero pass with pvm buffs and skips

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🫡

river jay
#

just because it worked on you doesn't mean it was a good idea

dreamy drift
#

now if we could get rid of treasure hunter....

stray plank
#

hmmm does the summoning skill plot in a max tiered clan citadel not give any hero points at all?

vague dew
willow beacon
#

Reasonably priced of course

dreamy drift
#

it is funny that there are so many people making stuff that we buy that is themed around jagex, but jagex doesnt. i just purchaxed a d med helm neon lamp to put on my wall. $100 usd with shipping. It honestly is one of my fav items because there is so much nastalgia with the d med for me.

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me and a lot of people i know would spend a lot of money just to block silly transmogs/walks. at this point i would drop over 100 usd to never see another players particle effects.