Valley and SandySunset rework

[hearty swift]

RIP snipers and tank campers on safe zones ...

[peak otter]

Ggs

[modest bough]

I don't know if limiting people to the first floor and rooftops is a good design choice. Many vertical angles made the center objective much more chaotic and fun tbh

[hearty swift]

it was explained many times, that overhelming amount of angle to check was a one of many reasons why a lot of players abandoned the game shortly after release.
Its super hard to enjoy a game, when you must check 999 windows to avoid instant death.

it make players feels more tired and play game less, aka 1-2 hours session max instead of 2-4 hours sessions like in other games.

[real wave]

Should we expect an update this year or next year?

[modest bough]

Thats a fair points. Is it possible to make this an option for community servers?

[errant spire]

а обновы вообще не будут выходить вы просто так и будете скидывать что-то сюда?)

[kindred plaza]

but i hope there's few building with all floors accessible near key points? Like 2-3 buildings idk

[kindred plaza]

zavtra tm

[errant spire]

soon the year will be without updates

[wheat beacon]

when they dropping the update???? 😭😭

[kindred plaza]

да я успел в армию сходить и вернуться, о чём ты

[errant spire]

аха

[hearty swift]

not possible, but community servers will be able to run a old Sandy Sunset (Current one) if they want to make players feels uncomfortable.

[modest bough]

Old Sandy is not uncomfortable, it feels just like home

Except the snipers, those can fuck right off

[cerulean lark]

[wind urchin]

Love the new architecture, especially the arched tunnels.
Sandy is (in)famously the "long sniper map" where you could get lot of long-distance kills.
While it can be lame, it doesnt really pose a big threat to usual gameplay (like 2000m+ snipers dont kill people fighting in the current city of Sandy). And while a lot of people think it's the dumbest shit ever, I think a lot of people enjoy it (I dont really care for it). I hope it still will have a place, and if not on new Sandy, on other maps (new ones included). I dont think it belongs on every map, but still.. having super long distance sniping in the game is something I think is worth keeping around. Just not from the safe zones!

[tepid venture]

#off-topic message are those yellowish white areas underground ?

[hearty swift]

its solid roads

[tepid venture]

ah ok

[hearty swift]

no compression version

[tepid venture]

valley looks like stalker nlg

[tepid venture]

very nice

[tardy cape]

I wouldn't complain at all if we could get the update earlier at the cost of reworking the maps

It would also be nice if such information appeared on Steam, showing that the game is being developed.

[wooden arrow]

or the youtube devlogs, which also stopped dead ages ago. something to let the people who have left know that the game isn't flat out abandoned like everyone outside of discord thinks it is

[grave crag]

I believe the riot shield is flat out abandoned, I would absolutely love acknowledgment of any sort on if riot shield is on the list of reworking, or staying unchanged

[modest bough]

Can you give us screenshots from inside the city on sandy?

[icy dagger]

So, on which map is the x40 scope still something which makes sense to use?

[topaz garden]

Completely agree 👌

[orchid nest]

maybe the new 4x4km free for all map they teased a while ago? Would be useful there, but at this point it seems pretty useless with Sandy getting smaller. 20x should be more than enough for every other map

[topaz garden]

Also ^

[fickle lantern]

Yes, usually snipers fight other snipers on sandy, every update is taking away maps used to get +1200m kills

[icy dagger]

I have said last year that the bullet velocities should be lowered, lol, but who cares about sensible suggestions with sound reasoning, right

[fickle lantern]

Vehicles are another problem, their weapons are too weak or inaccurate in order to stablish control in a objective

[icy dagger]

shh, you are looking at a broader picture and accurately pinpoint inconsistencies in the game design without any hate or rage, we do not want that here

[fickle lantern]

A

The game really needs an improvement in the vehicle physics and armament in order to play well with the maps

But actually infantry gameplay is ok, not incredibly good but overall is average

Like the COD franchise

Ironically I play other game that have an opposite problem, because the map Lyout encourages camping, like 4-6 dudes holding a room with only 1 entrance

[modest bough]

Thats just bad map design

Every room should have at least two entrances so a single guy can't lock down an entire path

[icy dagger]

you would think decisions are made by thinking in the game, lol

[green nova]

Be more transparent with your players. Not even an ETA is crazy after such a huge delay.

[vagrant notch]

is old version of the maps going to be kept?

[hearty swift]

yes, current version of Sandy Sunset will replace Old Sandy Sunset and be available on Community servers only

[vagrant notch]

nice, thanks

[orchid lake]

Please…. Just release…. End this madness…. Don’t you want to see us happy? How much longer will you make us wait?

[sullen dragon]

How soon will the update come out?

[fickle lantern]

Yeah ironically the spawn timers of this game is 4-5 minutes average

[obtuse arrow]

This is good but please drop the update by new year

[loud swan]

Thanks for sayin' something I guess. Hope for more transparency in the future.

[vagrant loom]

In the photo with the sniper on the rooftop, the right hand side hills are bare, rest looks great 👍

[rose olive]

New Sandysunset looks like op. firestorms or maybe Gulf of Oman

[south sparrow]

I like the changes, the maps will feel more natural I think. But im like so dried out I havent played in weeks, Im yearning for the update like Steve is yearning for the mines

[granite mauve]

Hard to go off a few pictures, from what we can see it looks great, but at this point ANYTHING new looks good. Need to get it in our hands to really see.

[magic monolith]

yes news!|!!!!

[magic monolith]

hope you make a video on it

[vagrant loom]

Well I guess you’ve convinced me to

[granite mauve]

New sandy sunset gameplay with the boys on OCE server after update, imagine

[queen crown]

my opinion coming soon, stay tuned🔥

[vagrant loom]

What dreams are made of

[next mesa]

next map rework will be all 173,351 square miles of uzbekistan

[opal forge]

Fun n games till MF realizes there's more to maps than distance from point to point

[grave crag]

When are we getting the bikini bottom map featuring the chum bucket and the krusty crab

[hollow oasis]

I love the innovations that will be added, and Vilaskis is great, but the key question is when can we see everything in person? No one is giving an answer other than a joking “zavtra” from the community itself.

[opal forge]

Oh we don't have image perms here

[wind urchin]

These reworks are for future updates, not the current overhaul one.

[opal forge]

#community-bbr-media message

[summer lynx]

When is the release already? People are tired of waiting, and you keep adding and adding new features that could be safely added after the update was released.I hope you understand that every week the interest of the remaining community is falling and falling

[covert slate]

https://tenor.com/view/jake-gyllenhaal-angry-shake-mirror-scream-gif-16244849

[heady sedge]

This is map feedback thread. You can join 100 other people asking the same thing on #battlebit-eng daily, but don't expect to get any answer. Update will be released when it's ready and showing your impatience isn't helpful. They're well aware people are waiting.

As person above you said, recent updates on this channel are unlikely to make it into the overhaul update, as they already wrapped up all the work and are in the testing/bug-fixing phase.

[opal forge]

I hope these maps dont

Or at least valley

[next mesa]

gud gud but when can we get our hand son these?

[mossy sierra]

[maiden python]

the only thing im worried is that they are nerfing buldings? like no more 5 storage with multiple windows buildings ? maybe i read it wrong. i personally like to go inside buldings with C4 hunting people, running up stairs moving around inside the buildings. correct me please

[tribal plover]

Objectively speaking from our community, people will often vote it, but then proceed to complain about the safezone camping on our all modes server (and in some cases frontline but that layout is a mess in general for 64 and 127) and it would result in mass AFKing or quitting out.

Domi layout is the only one I’d argue people enjoyed/tolerated because it was only the city part of the map, which I find the issue is less brought up in text/voice chat as a result.

I suspect like isle, it mainly gets voted in because of the amount of tanks/apcs/helis that both teams have, to the point of where there isn’t much downside to losing one. (Which depending on your viewpoint of vehicles can be a good or bad thing.) Also the safezones giving snipers/tanks no real risk of death unless others counter snipe, real easy to see why people dislike the current state of it.

I wouldn’t say it’s “unplayable” but this is often a flaw that just so happens to discourage people from trying to push, either by the “fuck it everyone else is sniping might as well” mentality, or they see none of there teammates pushing, so they figure “why should I PTFO and essentially get punished for it if my team isn’t willing to move due to a constant threat of stuff they can’t even kill due to how safezones work on most modes?” (Often leading to the standstills mentioned here)

For the recond im not against “long range” sniping/firing tank shots from a distance, but having complete immunity to cerain parts of the sandbox whilst being able to do that just leads to a frustrating experience.

[tribal plover]

On another note though, it really is a shame that vehicles in general aren’t even getting looked into in regards to this patch from what the devcasts hinted towards.

[normal hemlock]

looks good please update

[runic cargo]

ATATÜRK AŞKINA GÜNCELLEMEYİ YAYINLAYIN

[light tinsel]

PLEASE release the update before im 97 years old and die with Cancer. Thank you!

[opal forge]

Anyone figured out if the flat spot on valley is meant to be an ocean or a cliff yet 💀

[high spruce]

seriously? damn

[teal abyss]

Thank you for the update, can't wait to play it!

[light tinsel]

god damn that means we gotta wait 2 years for this update lmfao

[whole turret]

I sorta glad they arent, not only cause the current update is already taking a whole year, but also cause they are a big fat can of worms that is probably best left for a future date

Also probably for the best that 2 relatively seperate systems arent being touched at the same time cause lord know what shenanigans may ensue balancewise

[opal forge]

Vehicles next update trust

[urban ember]

ay speaking of vehicles, will the new SandySunset be more accommodating to ground vehicles? On the current build of Sandy, whenever I try to drive a humvee or a LAV/BTR anywhere other than the main roads I always end up hitting rocks or trees or just bumpy terrain which stalls out the vehicle or gets it stuck.

[hearty swift]

just look at current terrain on left, and new on right.
Old Terrain was supper step and hilly with was uncomfortable to drive on

[runic cargo]

@hearty swift ETA for update ?

[tiny flicker]

God forbid they open a decent line of communication with their community

Like “here’s what we’re working on but we don’t know if it will ever come out or what we are doing anyways screw you guys!”

[sturdy perch]

This year long update needs to come first tho

So prob never

[whole turret]

#off-topic message

Its really not a lot of effort to just look

Just saying

Otherwise, communication should improve in some areas to say the least

[opal forge]

Did we learn nothing from prior frontline maps like why is there 6 active cap points for the first 2 phases

And why does us safezone just stick out and between a1 a2

E3 also open as hell

[rough tangle]

Захожу сюда комиксы почитать

[agile cloud]

Is funny how they completely ignore any question about the update lol

[sturdy perch]

Which means it may not ever come?

Sad

[whole turret]

Some of the questions have already been answered

They had previously stated for example that we aint getting an ETA until they are sure they wont miss the deadline like in april

As as we speak, QA and bugfixing is currently being done

[sturdy perch]

For the past like 4 months yea

That’s all we’ve had

[whole turret]

QA has been for about a month or so, and bugtesting from a couple of weeks

They are just working on boring shit for the update, so other than stuff for the updates after the overhaul, there aint much to say

[opal forge]

Someone convince the devs to do devblogs like squad

[muted flint]

Sandy frontline layout looks interesting, want to see if it'll play out the same (prolly will but a lil less chaotic, tho I liked that all was in one spot on frontline).

Also, that one guy who filled all the emoji replies with juiceboxes and pumpkins, such odd behaviour 🤔 😆

Really nice that the best part (the city) of sandy seems to be the whole map now

[muted flint]

I guessed they went no-man-sky silent, havin been there last devcast... 💀 (they were getting so good too quality wise compared to the first ones)

[whole turret]

I wonder if the bot thing works here

!devcast

[placid wave]

When Devcast?
Click This For Relevant Information

[whole turret]

It do work

[stable canyon]

I figured out their plans! Now they will continue to announce an update that will be a big update, but at the end they will release a new game, BattleBit Remastered Remastered (joke)

[old crater]

Remove wackastan, dog ass map

[hearty swift]

https://discordapp.com/channels/303681520202285057/650516234366091274/1257352557106561114

[old crater]

Well I am still waiting on the MG3 that was teased the same month, so fair enough

[sturdy perch]

and we still waiting on year long update what’s your point

[sturdy orbit]

at this point you will need to market the "update" as a re-release of the game if you hope to get any of the playerbase back. Honestly, I don't even know if much of the old playerbase would even come back and keep playing beyond the first week. YOu guys may very well have to rely on brand new people coming in with the release of the update (an update which at this point is a genuine reworking of a large portion of game itself).

[tiny flicker]

They said they were doing QA testing in August

[whole turret]

Wrong

UI implementation

[whole turret]

"Final stages of implementing the UI"

[tiny flicker]

And UI testing

[whole turret]

They were still implementing the UI

[tiny flicker]

Are the “Final stages” in the room with us?

[whole turret]

It was done already

[tiny flicker]

So when did they finish them?

September?

Maybe october?

Almost 2 months ago?

[whole turret]

I believe late september

Allow me to find a message

[tiny flicker]

So how

Does it take

2 months and counting for QA testing

Mhm

[sturdy perch]

No update?

[whole turret]

#battlebit-eng message
Closest i could find at the moment

Sometimes looking for specific shit is difficult to say the least

But oki was on vacation for like 2 weeks or something, so QA couldnt have begun before that

[tiny flicker]

Fair enough but stuff like this

Like it’s been a reasonable amount of time for QA testing

It’s December in like 2 days

If it’s that difficult why not do a play test for people like the R6 TTS or any other decent sized game

[whole turret]

As i have come to learn, QA typically lasts for 3 months

2 months since QA began have passed i believe

But thats for newer projects

Not updatey per say

[tiny flicker]

September, October, November, December (2 days from now)

[whole turret]

So idfk

#battlebit-eng message

This is one of the messages that said that UI was still being implemented at this time

[tiny flicker]

Been 2 and a half months since then

I’m curious to see what the excuse from dev lovers will be when January or February come around with no word from the devs

Maybe Oki needs another vacation! It’s not like they have an update supposed to come out!

[limpid ridge]

The biggest problem is the lack of communication. I know they said their is not much to show, but they can still say something like "we are progressing smoothly" or "we hit a roadblock" and also provide a bit more detail into aspects of the update. Just anything besides utter silence about the update itself, and only news on stuff coming to updates after it, which could be 2026 before we see these maps and gun model revamps

[tiny flicker]

I agree, an update taking a significant amount of time is fine if it’s making it polished but the utterly lack of communication and updates is absurd. As if the update wasn’t taking long enough, they got rid of their dev casts. There needs to be some sort of communication here.

[green nova]

So glad the community isnt scared to speak up. No communication is insane after such a long delay and cancelling devcasts

[quiet acorn]

map reworks are nice and all but the fact that there hasn't been an update on steam since March gives the impression that the game is dead

[sand mist]

I thought the game was indeeed not being worked on. I’m happy to see it is being worked on still and I so hope an update at least brings it up a few hundred or thousand players. Communicate and advertise when the update comes out!

[opal forge]

[sturdy perch]

We only get updates here nothing on steam or YouTube or whatever

So how are other people supposed to know

[umbral grove]

[digital forge]

Thanks of God, no more exploiting in sandy map

[summer raft]

I think it's great how you're making progress, and personally I'm happy to wait for it, but you shouldn't just post your progress on discord, people who aren't on discord will think that you've completely given up on the game and aren't working on it anymore...

[flint fox]

What do you mean by that?

[whole turret]

Sandy is notorious for snipers and vehicles abusing the safe zone, as well as this one bug or exploit that long range snipers use on that map

[flint fox]

bro, there is no exploit on this map for snipers to use

[whole turret]

There is a visual LOD bug on sandy that allows notably long range snipers to see enemies behind hills

And besides that, safezone abuse still exists

Tanks and snipers camp in it, you cant approach them to blow them up because the safezone doesnt allow you to shoot them

Only way to deal with snipers is to be a sniper yourself
And you cant even really deal with tanks because they can just fuck off right to base before you dish out any substantial damage

Even if you disregard both the LOD bug and safezone bullshittery, the map kinda sucks
Takes ages to get go objectives, with very sparce cover in between them as well, vehicles cannot offroad on sandy at all and the map is 80% dead useless space

[opal forge]

we love bbr maps

[old crater]

Total wackastan death

Been waiting since July for it to be changed, and still ass to this day

[flint fox]

There is no bug that allows you to see enemies behind hills XD

[umbral grove]

[orchid lake]

I always found it silly that you can’t shoot while in their safe zone. People are already risking dying by the timer.

[tribal plover]

You can in frontline (generally) and invasion in specific cases

Otherwise yeah its basically complete immunity to certain tactics

[orchid nest]

I would really love evidence of this bug. I've seen multiple people claim 1S1K uses "terrain bugs" and other cheats but we never have issues killing each other from any area on the map

[whole turret]

Terrain bugs? Probably, wont be suprised
Actual cheats? Nah

Either way, i will try and get some evidence of it

Once i land on sandy that is