Make dying mean something...

[little ibex]

..by e.g. increasing the respawn-time.

There currently is no "punishment" for dying which reinforces "suicide"-playstyles... basically just get light armor, mp, c4 and run into enemies. Maybe you get one or two kills, maybe you get five, but you will 100% die one second later (ergo; suicide playstyle = run in, kill few, die instantly).

Dying doesnt mean anything in this game. You can respawn within seconds and you can do it basically everywhere on the map. There is no reason to really think about anything. For a game which has his roots in a "mil-sim" it is suprising how there is no to little tactics involved in playing.

You can kill 7 out of 8 squad members and get rushed like 5 seconds later by the same squad you just nearly whiped out...

I get it, sometimes its funny but most of the fights end up in both sides trying to c4 rush each other... and that just feels boring and wrong; imo.

[undone otter]

Whats the benefit to having death having meaning? Do we not play this game to escape our own inevitable meaningless demise?

But fr
Maybe make respawning instantly on a teammate only give you a fraction of your ammo and gadgets

[little ibex]

Maybe make respawning instantly on a teammate only give you a fraction of your ammo and gadgets
Wouldn't change anything about the suicide-rushers...

[reef wasp]

Increase respawn timer

And limit squad spawning a bit

Problemo solved

[analog ivy]

i can see ppl not wanting longer respawn times but i cant think of another good solution rn

[reef wasp]

Oh no, i have to wait 5 seconds

How dare they make me wait 5 seconds

Grrr

[analog ivy]

enough ppl think that way. Atleast when i last talked about it

[reef wasp]

Idfk why waiting 5 seconds is such a big deal

[analog ivy]

and i can understand it. not having to wait is fun but also not healthy for the game

[reef wasp]

Its FIVE SECONDS

Like

[analog ivy]

tik tok attention span

[reef wasp]

Devs shouldnt abide by the tiktokers

Fuck them

[analog ivy]

there is a reason why community servers reduced the timer

[reef wasp]

Reason is bad

[analog ivy]

cant use braindead suicide and suicide c4 tactics if you have to wait longer

[reef wasp]

Sacrifices must be made for the greater good

[analog ivy]

[little ibex]

And i honestly dont understand it at all... killed 5 people from one squadö.. on ran away and like 3 sec later the whole squad rushed me while reloading... me killing the 5 people didnt mean anything...

[analog ivy]

ye its only for high kills

cant get reddit points for capturing obj or winning a flank

[timid talon]

I think there shouldn't be a possibility to spawn on squad members at all. We have a special building for this, which is used by snipers for respawning in 90% of cases. The rest just ignore it.

[analog ivy]

the rest ignores it because its useless most of the time and many sl still dont know that it exists. I still get ppl every now and then confused that i build sth

[little ibex]

well... that special building can be heared within (what feels like) 200m and basically is downed within 1 second...

[little ibex]

It is what i said at release: "The game doesnt know if it is mil-sim, casual or arcade... because all of those features just clash heavily..

i mean... there are mil-sim elements: merging mags, 3 different voicechat, combat roles, very very low ttk...
than there are casual elements: not really much recoil, no 100 keybindings to remember, overall very simplified gameplay
and than there is arcade: fast movement speed, c4 for every class... grenades for every class... extremly fast respawn time...

...honestly.. at this point i wish that the game stayed mil-sim and just did it like "Hell Let Loose"... i mean.. why the heck are there currently 3 different voicechats... who the heck uses the voicechat for SLs, nobody... because its completly unecessary in the current state of the game... ?! The game promotes a "Get a lot of kills and dont do anything else"-playstyle which can be easily seen on Rush.... at least 50% of the players on Rush dont event try to plant or defuse at all... they sit like 200m away from the objective or try to spawntrap with MPs...

[lyric bridge]

[analog ivy]

who the heck uses the voicechat for SLs, nobody
also because its bugged af

[reef wasp]

Arcadey with milsim sprinkled in the game is what made it unique and gained the original playbase
Sure not every element worked together super duper well but it did stand out at least

However games real problem was poorly if at all teaching the players gameplay mechanics

Many to this day dont know you can build stuff even

They dont know that zeroing exists

They dont know about squad points

[merry ocean]

Based take from a grey name, A delightful surprise.

Current gameplay is indeed just spawn die CQC brainrot and has no meat to it to keep a playerbase interested for a longer period.

[reef wasp]

Another thing, no, combat roles and low ttk are NOT necessarily milsim in nature
And no, grenades on every class is not arcadey by nature

[reef wasp]

All cause some people wanted their spastic gameplay loop all for themselves

[merry ocean]

CQC brainrot gameplay is "Short sighted" it falls off quickly due to being enjoyable to the ADHD "I love killing many enemies" audience, but if you aren't able to do that or don't enjoy that kind of gameplay then this game has nothing to offer you.

[reef wasp]

It techically does but by nature it is very poor

Supporting your team by means other than killing just sucks

I need to put a reminder than when i suggested that the game needed more teamplay i was criticised because teamplay is milsim apparenly

[merry ocean]

Supporting a team that appreciates your actions is fun, but supporting in the game is meaningless. Reminding that you can just spawn on a teammate quickly for all of your resources back.

[reef wasp]

"Erm actually restricting squad spawning is uhh bad because i said so"

[merry ocean]

Something like playing medic in HLL is fun and enjoyable because the people that you revive are thankful they wont have to wait 3-60 seconds for a respawn.

[reef wasp]

Meanwhile medic, while kinda nice in bbr, still needs a better kit

• respawn time + fast give up time + squad spawing + fast bandage speed

These things contribute to the fact that medic, indirectly, gets nerfed

Why did bandages get further buffed to be faster and heal more

When bandages healed 40hp and had normal bandaging speed it was perfect

[analog ivy]

50hp is fine with normal speed but 50hp and speed together is too much

[reef wasp]

Imo 40 with normal was perfect

It still allowed medics to top up friendly health at least

[merry ocean]

Amount of bandages
Speed of use

[reef wasp]

Amount is fine for the most part

Speed of use is the real kicker

[merry ocean]

Not in my books, I hate how independent you are in a game with 254 players in a single server

Game doesn't use that 254 player server count for anything other than more targets to shoot at for the adhd CQC brainrot audience

[opaque current]

But my player agency.

[reef wasp]

A lower amount would be fine if medic could actually resupply bandages with a dropped medic box

Like i suggested ages ago

[opaque current]

Never gunna let that one go eh

[reef wasp]

I will die on that hill

[opaque current]

I respect it

[reef wasp]

There be few other hills i would die on, but there is never fighting there cause im the only one apparenly giving enough of a shit about that particular thing

[merry ocean]

That doesn't sound too bad, but just have supports dropping ammo boxes around to compensate.

[reef wasp]

Fair

[reef wasp]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1241323975221706752
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1267740873689403455

2 examples of things i wanted but nobody gave a shit about

[opaque current]

we never know what the future may hold

[merry ocean]

"but we can assure you that we are finally seeing the light at the end of the tunnel that is this long update cycle."

https://tenor.com/view/train-tunnel-train-tunnel-travel-gif-12502146

[opaque current]

A painfully accurate depiction

[reef wasp]

I shalt revive these topics one day

My suggestions shalt be listened to

[opaque current]

You put good effort into them palma

[merry ocean]

I'm sure victims of pompei had similar ideas before the incident, Only time will tell if BBR dies or gets cancelled by Sony before the appropriate time

[reef wasp]

Thanks

[reef wasp]

Perhaps

I hope it is not too late

[opaque current]

How would sony cancel battlebit

[reef wasp]

Sony doing stupid shit for no reason

[merry ocean]

They will find a way

[opaque current]

but

that doesnt

[merry ocean]

Sony finds a way

[opaque current]

[little ibex]

Arcadey with milsim sprinkled in the game is what made it unique
Nah.. not really... it made it be annoying most of the times.. barely heard any positive feedback. The only real selling point for BBR was 254 player servers... that's really it... at least it was for the people i've talked and played with.

I honestly just realised that it was totally stupid to even suggest anything because it will most likely never end up in the game.. even if everybody says "Yeah" to an idea...

[reef wasp]

You gotta be stubborn enough for it to work
I speak from experience

[opaque current]

Or just be right

[reef wasp]

True dat

[analog ivy]

na the mix was a selling point

[merry ocean]

A true selling point was VOIP and 254

[little ibex]

I guess you made suggestions before Oki decided to not even fix bugs anymore, huh?

[reef wasp]

Aye, only one with actual success is the mag rework one
Given its actually coming next update

My pride and joy

[little ibex]

So... none of your suggestions have been implemented yet? 😄

[reef wasp]

At least 1 will be implemented

I can confidently say that

[analog ivy]

but you dont know how it will be implemented

[reef wasp]

Cant be worse than it is now

[analog ivy]

[reef wasp]

I do know for sure that they will be consistent across all guns and quick mags wont decrease mag size

Did hear that they may not affect recoil at all next update, but no particular confirmation on that

[lyric bridge]

More extended mags for smgs and pdw

[merry ocean]

I think larry might have mentioned something about recoil and mag size, but thats something i only faintly rember

[reef wasp]

I only heard rumors from certain people about mags

Last time i did, mag sizes should be bigger for extendos and they shouldnt affect recoil

But again, not confirmed

[little ibex]

...there honestly shouldn't be any "rumors" about the content of the update at this point.. like... 5 months after they said that it needs a "little bit more polish"...

[reef wasp]

They dont want to reveal every single detail i suppose

I at least made them do something about magazines for the better

[little ibex]

...ok.. i swear to good... i don't understand what they are thinking now... that just doesnt make sense... all this "it will be worth it" without any details... like.. come on.. really...? That's just dumb... do they try to kill the game on purpose?

[lyric bridge]

[reef wasp]

To be fair we did get to know a fair amount of things to come
Sadly not all

[analog ivy]

im still missing some qol and bugfixes

[tawdry shell]

Now make them do something about health and support systems

[timid talon]

Maybe we need to make it not useless. Some kind of rework or something🤷‍♂️

[vale grotto]

Exactly the point

People go on a community server and suggest all community servers play exacrly like official… without realizing why we change certain settings to fit our specific community

[vale grotto]

Bad faithed argument

Forcing community to go with official settings just means people leave. Reward other interactions and make defending more enjoyable/mean something that isn’t “sit in safezone/prone in the middle of nowhere and effectively be as useful as an afk”

[reef wasp]

I probably wont mind the short respawn timer as much if other interactions werent shite like you said
But given they are (and who knows when or if its being changed ever) and the way stuff like squad spawning currently works (that many still dont want to really be changed) what else can be done to fix it?

[tawdry shell]

remove respawning 🔥

[quiet bough]

The few community servers that are left have very short if not instant respawn time, so blame them I guess

[vale grotto]

I mean we could start by removing “no build zone” areas and making relay more practical to use (as well as encourage people to use it more)

On top of this we could encourage recons to spot more with xp gains (and in general just encouraging them to use that mechanic and tarp like cover coming in the update when playing with squads) instead of taking pot shots risk free in their main base area

Also.. teach people the mechanics? A lot of this frustration stems from people not actively learning how to best utilize their class

Brw since you brought up medkits.. dropping them utterly pointless cause they still use old heal values

[reef wasp]

You are missing the point a bit

[vale grotto]

Im suggesting alternatives. You said there is no one good way to fix spawning without upsetting people from certain groups, and you are correct

[reef wasp]

Those arent exactly alternatives per say as much as they should be given in a game like this

[tawdry shell]

[reef wasp]

They would greatly benefit the game but im afraid it wont fix the mainline issue entirely

[vale grotto]

New players benefit from squad spawn as well.

It just happens to be used by “cqc players” because thats less time spent closing the distance between engagements, which, sure, depending on who you ask that might be a problem. But removing squad spawning without upping speed or something akin to that (also a bad idea balance wise) just means those same walking sim complaints come back, from those same players whom oki refuses to teach mechanics to because “game doesn’t need a turorial” or whatever he said way back then

[tawdry shell]

thats what tac sprint is for /s

[vale grotto]

Tac sprint is just another one of oki’s infamous “quick fixes” to the solution imo and hoping it sticks

[tawdry shell]

[reef wasp]

I am obviously not for the removal of squad spawning, that particular idea is just fucking stupid

However, squad spawning mechanics are just inconsistent and can allow people at times to just spawn mid fight

[vale grotto]

Nobody’s disagreeing there in that regard

I’ve seen clips of people spawning right into bulletfire

Just don’t make it too limiting, that’s my main concern

[reef wasp]

#community-bbr-media message

I sure love when they materialize in front of my eyes

[vale grotto]

Because you indirectly affect noobs in the process who quite honestly need to stick by their team to at least learn

[reef wasp]

Yeah ofc dont make it too limiting

But dont make it so that you can just spawn all willy nilly

[tawdry shell]

1 life

problem solved

[vale grotto]

Me and the one guy on the enemy team refusing to kill each other so the game never ends:

https://tenor.com/view/gommehd-gommemode-gomme-troll-silly-gif-15669127

[reef wasp]

They had realised the bloodshed was pointless and made peace

[wide forge]

I said it before, But I will never understand why the squad spawning limiter is not just tied to the suppression system instead of the weird and convoluted mess we have now. (also why fucking spawn protect?)

[tawdry shell]

what the fuck is spawn protection 🗣️

[analog ivy]

spawn protection is the dumbest thing

[wide forge]

on the points at least it can make sense, but Squad spawn? or Rally?

[analog ivy]

spawn protection

it is not needed at all if they changed points a bit

[tawdry shell]

spawn protection is needed for the dogshit we call tensa d point

[light cypress]

lol

good thread, well done discord

[merry ocean]

The funny thing with how community servers operate is that they are the servers 99% of people get pushed into because of the issues with Official server start up being ass and Community servers being online 24/7/365. And because people would rather not wait for a server to start up and get into the game immediately an official server doesn't start until people dedicate their time to that or get very lucky with que timing.

Option between either waiting for 18 players in a boring main menu and being bombarded with "this server is online how about you join there" notifications OR just hopping on an already online server is just asking for community servers to be the norm.

[reef wasp]

Tensa D point, my detested

[reef wasp]

Didnt at one point officials get prioritised due to some shenanigans that were done and the community servers got heavily left out?

[merry ocean]

Yes, There were so many official servers

The outcome of that incident was that community server members / owners complained about it and it was fixed

Like at this point community servers are not "community servers" they are the official experience

Que in the "no official servers online game dead" messages

[reef wasp]

Some dont even provide the actual vanilla experience really

[merry ocean]

They don't provide "vanilla" because THEY ARE VANILLA

[reef wasp]

Yeah yeah i get your point

And i do agree with it

Thinking about it perhaps the update that brought community servers was perhaps indeed too early after all

[merry ocean]

Ig

[analog ivy]

I don't think it was too early but they gave too much freedom while giving full xp

[tawdry shell]

surely me being literally 2m away and literally staring into the spawn point id be blocking the spawn right

right

[lyric bridge]

Officials always fill first

you dont even play the game oxigen

[merry ocean]

Assuming there is one online?

[vale grotto]

Officials don’t reset and eventually crash/server quality degrades as a result with how they currently work (same could be said with some community). That is solely on the BBR staff’s side to do a daily reset until they fix the bug in that update™️, why they dont do it.. who knows.

Also officials getting fucked was because of the CM not recognizing that the thing we told him would happen.. did. And then he went on some weird tangent about how its our fault because heaven forbid people wanna have other modes or just not play the game.

He wants variety but at the same time fails to recongize the efforts of the community are the reason why some sort of variety still exists.. felt like I was talking to a brick wall during that convo

[lyric bridge]

the only way to not play conquest is by playing community servers

[vale grotto]

Also the same people on reddit/discord who complain its only conq are the same people not helping us seed btw. If you’re from the reddit or here, help us seed or don’t complain we don’t have a server up, community server mods/admins can only do so much. I love this community but god damn it’s.. blegh sometimes

Anyways, official purests will always play official, people who want conq/domi/frontline/etc only servers will play that, most don’t care and are happy to see that have a choice at least, more at 11.

[reef wasp]

Community is also the reason the lack of said variety

[lyric bridge]

you mean pbs

[reef wasp]

Idk if its due to oki not allowing more of it, limitations or the owners of the servers collectively sharing a single braincell, but there wasnt anything particularly noteworthy when it comes to servers

Like why dont we have X map only servers for example

[lyric bridge]

[tawdry shell]

because of the goofy ass no progression rules or whatever

[lyric bridge]

there would need to be more players

[lyric bridge]

no progression servers get no players at all

[tawdry shell]

[vale grotto]

oki has a strict set of guidelines to "prevent xp farm"

thats why there's no 24/7 waki server or whatever

[reef wasp]

Doesnt allow progression for single map servers, but allowed hardcore servers and BBOCE

Truly peak logic

[reef wasp]

Of course it was oki

[tawdry shell]

just tank the 5k per member fine

duh

[vale grotto]

I mean I could go into detail or I could just tell you ever since gromp happened Oki got paranoid and restricted more stuff

the 2nd explanation seems easier to understand

[tawdry shell]

tf did gromp even do

[vale grotto]

"played obj"

"but no not that way"

[reef wasp]

Sc4 trolling and sum else iirc

[vale grotto]

Suicide to cap points essentially

[reef wasp]

Yeah

[vale grotto]

SL got a shit ton of XP for it but that was the jist

[tawdry shell]

so

bandaid fix

[vale grotto]

basically

add that onto the pile of bandages on the groun-- oh wait...

[tawdry shell]

🔥

i should drop a suggestion for oki to copy grave/digger health system surely itll end well

[reef wasp]

I love when my dropped bandages dematerialise

[tawdry shell]

mark go suggest it for me itll be funny

delay the update by another 3 months

[reef wasp]

The grave/digger thing or to fix bandages?

Im down for both tbh

[tawdry shell]

the grave/digger thing

[reef wasp]

On it

[tawdry shell]

do you even know gds hp system

[reef wasp]

I just realised i do not

[tawdry shell]

good job

[reef wasp]

Will you tell me or do i have to look it up

[tawdry shell]

Above 100 health players experience natural regeneration and will slowly heal until they are max health. When players take damage, their natural regeneration will pause (this is called clotting) for a brief period of time. Defense Order and [1] Bicardine will prevent clotting. Sickness also prevents health regeneration.

When a player drops below 100 health, they will be critically injured, indicated through blurred vision and muffled hearing, and will require surgery.

Players can perform surgery on themselves by holding LMB with a first aid pouch, but can also do it on allies by first holding RMB to aim and then LMB. Surgeries on self are slower than on allies. Morticians also perform surgeries on their allies faster.

After a surgery is complete, the player will heal back to 100 health (200 if they were healed by a Mortician, not including self) and will begin regenerating health.

Pressing T with a first aid pouch allows you to check yourself, giving you an estimate on your health points, whether you need surgery, and all chemicals in your bloodstream.

[opaque current]

[tawdry shell]

average roblox game

[reef wasp]

I see

[tawdry shell]

also leg damage means cant move for second half of the animation

[reef wasp]

Got it

[tawdry shell]

bbr is saved (real)

[reef wasp]

Ok i will put a suggestion together for the funnies

[tawdry shell]

🔥

do it the funnier way

just drop this

oh ffs no links right

https://trello. com/c/OgzjSLQs/60-health

🔥

[reef wasp]

Ok this will make it easier

[tawdry shell]

cinema

ima laugh if it actually gets traction

[reef wasp]

Piss cant post links in post as well

Gonna need to seperate the thig

[tawdry shell]

shit server

[reef wasp]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1287413739771002951

Done

[tawdry shell]

this will be funny

wait why is it /.com

wadahell

[tawdry shell]

delete the slash

[reef wasp]

Dunno will delete it

[tawdry shell]

https://trello. com/c/OgzjSLQs/60-health

oh ffs

https:// trello. com/c/OgzjSLQs/60-health

[reef wasp]

One sec

Fixed

[little ibex]

@tawdry shell Honestly.. if grave/digger were not on Roblox i would have swapped games by now and uninstalled BBR forever.

[analog ivy]

that's why spawn times can be adjusted how the owner wants it

make it make sense

[little ibex]

I personally would copy the respawn-system from Hell Let Loose 1:1

[vale grotto]

Funny thing: the current minimum spawn timer was a “compromise” solution

Compared to what we had before then which was 0 second spawn delay (more known as instant respawn)

[analog ivy]

the entire argument is stupid

[vale grotto]

Oki basing decisions solely on being paranoid about someone gaining slightly more xp is stupid

And that isn’t exclusive to respawn mechanics either

[reef wasp]

Tbh the only xp farm i know of really was the lb repair one

[analog ivy]

a bunch of decisions made by ig oki look stupid to me

[reef wasp]

But that died when repair got nerfed to shit ofc

[vale grotto]

Repair, barbed wire, SL xp

[reef wasp]

Same

[vale grotto]

Theres more but those are the most infamous

[elder latch]

meanwhile challenges are still not fixed

and people from the xp exploit are still on the leaderboard a year later

[analog ivy]

they won't be for a while

[elder latch]

cant let people get negligible amounts more xp by a 2 second faster respawn!

[vale grotto]

Dev team is super inconsistent about how and when they want to enforce the “xp farm” rule

(Or hell just anything related to XP gains in general)

[reef wasp]

I remember those now
The lb repair one was notable since i encountered it the most
Sure love seeing my team bash the friendly lb for repair xp

[vale grotto]

Back when engis repaired because it was worth a damn and people were actually moving APCs/Tanks outside of safezone (making repair tool seem more practical to bring to support them)

[reef wasp]

But then you had the folk i mentioned above

I still miss big engie xp tho

[vale grotto]

My stance on that has always been the same: punish bad actors, not the whole group

If the engi wants to repair and isn’t essentially griefing solely for xp gains, let them

Because right now no engis are bringing repair tool outside of premade tank/heli users (who are usually in a party/stack anyways)

[tawdry shell]

Copy ps2 fr fr

[quiet bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1203035627420127354/1230991798881488896/endless_suffering.mp4?ex=66f13333&is=66efe1b3&hm=447b3f99993ce7c00a5589d52d8f354a67b5f9092bc67313adcaa8b19c12ca5a& trollge

[tawdry shell]

G36 spotted

[quiet bough]

The most obvious XP farm somehow went unnoticed but ok

[tawdry shell]

5k fine incoming

[vale grotto]

Sentenced to zalfi night

[reef wasp]

Repairing anything sucks as a solo player

Cant repair small ones cause its not worth it and they die immediatelly

Apcs and tanks run away always

Only helis are viable

If only they lowered kill xp and made actually supporting your team give more...
(Or really jack up the repair xp idc)

[tawdry shell]

Meh supporting is clunky as fuck rn anyway

[quiet bough]

I actually haven't seen zalfi in night time, is it bad like valley night?

[reef wasp]

Ive seen it once

It aint great.

Quite terrible

[tawdry shell]

Average zalfi moment

[opaque current]

Its bright as fuck

[quiet bough]

Right

[little ibex]

Damn.... why.. does this suggestion attract so many responses? xD After reading this one i am not even sure why people play BBR anymore...

[opaque current]

You hit on an issue that is, actually an issue, which might sound a little assinine but, you have correctly identified a core issue with the games current design. The people talking in here are mostly the usual suggestion yapping crew, and people who have been here for a while. It is also relatively well written.

[little ibex]

But several people have pointed that out a while ago... someone also told me that the TTK is about to be increased which will result in sooooooo much C4 spammers... omg...

[opaque current]

Ttk is being increased by a slight amount, and explosives are being nerfed in the anti infantry and destruction capacity.

If you would like to simulate the average ttk experience, go start and stop a stop watch in 400ms.

[little ibex]

Ohh dont get me wrong; i think that the TTK increase itself is good... but.. it will most likely be like a chain-reaction and make some problems way more worse...

[opaque current]

If you'd like to jump into the containment thread https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1254463897851920445 is still not locked by the grace of god . What we have seen of the ttk, or what we havent seen, leaves many many questions. Could things get fucked up? 100%, balance could be broken as fuck. New cheesy shit could be discovered, it could be totally terrible. It could also just feel better, explosives could be reigned in and it could be a nicer experience over all.

Only time will tell, as we no longer will have dev casts.

[little ibex]

Wait what.. there are no dev-casts anymore...?

[opaque current]

!devcast

[rugged sky]

When Devcast?
Click This For Relevant Information

[opaque current]

Not until the patch is released

[little ibex]

So... we... will never see a BBR dev-cast again.. got it...

[opaque current]

Oh yeah you will fight RIIGHT in over at the ttk thread

[tawdry shell]

I don't

[opaque current]

been a while for me as well

[little ibex]

3 days.... xD

I play a match every day but i feel like it's getting worse every time... and i am having less and less enjoyable moments

[opaque current]

🤝 welcome to the burn out gang

[analog ivy]

it needs so much rebalancing to work and seeing what they have been working on so far I doubt it will work out

[tawdry shell]

Welcome to the what the fuck is this update

[opaque current]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1254463897851920445 back in the containment thread

[analog ivy]

beside I personally want shorter ttk

[little ibex]

It still is interesting that so many different points have been brought up in this thread tho... some are totally legit too.. like.. damn..

[opaque current]

Game design is not a simple or quick process generally

[little ibex]

You want to look at people and have them die just because they were vibisle on your screen, lol

[opaque current]

A lot of it comes down to capacity, and design choice. None of which ANY of us influence

[tawdry shell]

Real

Apart from the og val and no armor nerf

[little ibex]

It also is a shit ton harder when you have a complete game and keep "designing" it without actual good feedback for 9 months, lol

[tawdry shell]

Nah bro they got a third party qa team for that

[opaque current]

I think battlebit is a very unfinished game. Its functional, but its, still very incomplete.

[tawdry shell]

[analog ivy]

short range is okay but the dmg drop off over range is too big for me

[little ibex]

Actually we kinda have a influence over the capacity.. i mean.. they made like what.. 20-60m$ in sales? That sounds like a lot of capacity to me..

[tawdry shell]

I still think game went ea way too early but anyway

[analog ivy]

should have gotten second dev before ea

[opaque current]

Project sales do not included expenses. I am talking about the suggestion threads.

[tawdry shell]

And the bs that happened right before ea didn't help 🗿

[little ibex]

Or at least right after release; correct me if i am wrong but didnt Oki refuse to hire another dev for a long time?

[opaque current]

Aight its back to this ol bullshit and I cant do another loop here

gods speed chatters

[tawdry shell]

Bitch stop running

Fucking distort yourself

[little ibex]

But lets face it... most suggestions are 100% invalid the second the update drops. Because i am expecting a new game at this point..

[opaque current]

I just wanna play minecraft and smoke a bowl curse this title

[little ibex]

They could.. and should just wipe every suggestion the second the update drops

[tawdry shell]

I'm expecting nothing good

[opaque current]

Upon release the game was patched weekly for many months because the game exploded and oki and the team had no idea how to grow from a hobby game into a professional studio

[little ibex]

new games dont have to be good

[tawdry shell]

Oki called the SG552 an SMG when it released game was DOA from that point 🔥

[little ibex]

But actively refusing to hire another dev instead of "just not knowing better" seem like two different things to me... it just feels like a natural process to get people to help at a certain size

[opaque current]

there are still many good suggestions out there but the ones around health/player mechanics will likely have to be adjusted to however the new loop feels. I really, truly, believe the 400ms thing is blown way the fuck outta proportion, but ive argued that so much i juuust dont care

[opaque current]

Hiring a dev would not have made the situation better given what they knew at the moment. Growing into a development team, creating process documentation and code review processes takes time. They were trying to not drown on release

[tawdry shell]

Expectation: 400ms
Reality: 400s because oki didn't nerf bandages 🔥

[opaque current]

yes yes and players are going to count their vector to make sure they are shooting enough bullets per second

[little ibex]

kinda does make sense... the... hitreg seems.. interesting sometimes... 😄

[tawdry shell]

That part is very noticeable tho

[tall oxide]

People arguing that 400ms is crazy high, usually fail to see the grand picture of the update wherein movement is nerfed and recoil reduced.

[tawdry shell]

And everyone has smoke grenades for guns

[opaque current]

You mean to tell me partial weapon stats extrapolated out to every weapon, while also missing health and player movement changes, gives us an incomplete picture?

Tell me it aint so!

[little ibex]

isnt climbing faster now.... and.. didnt he add a fast runnng? xD

[opaque current]

[tawdry shell]

Health should be 75/100/125 if it isn't I'm getting the popcorn

[little ibex]

Oh shit... @opaque current we should have just shut up...

[opaque current]

..why?

[tall oxide]

I don’t know what you are talking about with the climbing. The fast running is only out of combat and you have to run in almost a straight line for a long duration

[little ibex]

the thread will not shut up for a few hours now...

[opaque current]

Is that.. bad?

[tawdry shell]

Free content

[little ibex]

climbing over walls etc... climbing probably isn't the correct word for it.. but you know.. getting over (and also on top of) stuff

[opaque current]

Im sippin coffee and debating on battlebit, or minecraft Ive been doing this for months

[little ibex]

i am not sure....

[opaque current]

Mantling

Mantling is faster, tactical sprint will require you to run in almost a straight line before it kicks in and will stop. Proning, is being slowed down massively, and movement extremes are being reeled in. I think the average player will move a little faster, no idea what the top end will do, but, i dont see it getting massively faster or anything.

Mantling is fuckin FAST though. Im stoked as hell.

[tawdry shell]

Actually did we ever see new sprint speed on a current map I forgor

[little ibex]

huh.. this could actually help a little bit to prevent suicid-playstyles

[opaque current]

Only briefly and it was missing its third person animations

[tawdry shell]

Tac sprint is going to be fuckin useless

[tawdry shell]

Was it first person

[little ibex]

Was probably T-posing anyway.. lol...

[opaque current]

Oh did you not like it when you tried it out?

[opaque current]

One camera was first person, one was third person

[tawdry shell]

Its just conceptually useless

Although it's perfect for new players they can now run straight and get sniped for instant redeployment

[little ibex]

i can see it being used on some maps... at least it doesnt hurt to be in the game if it is restricted like explained above.. it also may result in more flanks aand tactical playstyle instead of head-on combat

[tawdry shell]

Flanking with new audio seems unlikely

[opaque current]

[tawdry shell]

Inb4 it breaks because too many audio queues

[opaque current]

The confidence in things you have sworce never fails to amaze me

#dev-wip message <-- half animated tac sprint from 4 months ago

[little ibex]

you're obviously doing a big flank if you're running with that new sprint stuff.. instead of going like 20m to the side

[tawdry shell]

I have confidence the tracers are gonna be cancer

[little ibex]

Sworce surely is an optimist

[opaque current]

[little ibex]

no no no.. you jsut dont get it.. he is optimistic that everything will suck

[opaque current]

That sounds like a pessimist to me

[tawdry shell]

If I made a list of everything I had no expectations for it'd be pretty much literally everything

Anyway guess that clip works

Now I have to ruin my last played date 😔

[opaque current]

need in game footage to compare?

[tawdry shell]

Ya

[opaque current]

understandable. Any comparisons you do, i would factor in the that its 4 months old and unfinished

In dev and all that

[tawdry shell]

Inb4 I can't find a low ping Outskirts game

[opaque current]

Best I can do is 3 wakis

[tawdry shell]

Fuck you

[opaque current]

Pleasure chatting as always sworce

[tall oxide]

Oh right, vaulting yeah.

[tawdry shell]

#maketeamplaynotcancer

[opaque current]

I.. do not understand this statement

[little ibex]

depends on what hewants... if he wants it to suck he is optimistic, no?

[opaque current]

"To be optimistic about a situation is to expect it to turn out in a good way. If you're generally optimistic, you're an optimist—you tend to look at things favorably.

Pessimistic means the opposite: expecting a situation to turn out in a bad way or being a pessimist—always expecting the worst."

[tall oxide]

Anyway, regarding this suggestion, the main issue is that the player will die from all kinds of random things in bbr because of how chaotic it is. So we have to be super careful with making death mean something. Otherwise it will be very frustrating for players.

[little ibex]

Maybe his "good way" is that it sucks...? 😄

[tawdry shell]

Wah

[opaque current]

Thats, not what those words mean but we all know what happened to the word "literally" so sure fuck it

[little ibex]

But wouldn't some things just happen much more rarely when death means something...? Like... random dude pushing you etc..

[little ibex]

i literally have no idea what literally means...

[tawdry shell]

Surely all the awareness changes will reduce random deaths

[opaque current]

[opaque current]

ok farewell, till the time someone is wrong on the internet!

see you momentarily sworce

[tawdry shell]

Dropped medic boxes are a useful tool

[opaque current]

Its as if a million voices cried out all at once

[tawdry shell]

They're very useful

Can't even see the marker past 35m

😍

[tall oxide]

It will still be there. Think of waking bridge and random projectiles flying.
Besides, the kind of gameplay this would encourage is people camping and being too afraid to go anywhere, im not so sure that that is the gameplay that would make the game fun.

[tawdry shell]

Nah its fun getting mapped by dmr sniper rpg spam wdym

[analog ivy]

but damage drop off increased

beside from what was shown only 180 degree turns were nerfed so you can still zig zag around

[opaque current]

Grounded movement is also impacted

No 180 tap dancin

[analog ivy]

but 160 should still be possible

[opaque current]

we shall see how constrained it is

[reef wasp]

Isnt zig zaggin gonna get that lean like effect where if you do it too much it slows down or sum

[tawdry shell]

Can't wait for the public playtest aka update release

[analog ivy]

he mentioned 180 don't keep momentum but as far as I remember he never mentioned zig zagging

[tawdry shell]

What if

Slow 180

[opaque current]

#battlebit-eng message

This is the best I can do

[tawdry shell]

Average term reply

Time to wait for Devcast

[opaque current]

This is an early access game, kinda, like part of the core idea

[reef wasp]

Didnt they show a grounded 180 in a devcast

[opaque current]

Oki moved left and right while running at one point

[analog ivy]

can't wait for the testers to find and report a black screen bug

[tawdry shell]

😭

[opaque current]

Was fixed internally many many months ago.

[analog ivy]

[opaque current]

Cant find it if its fixed

[little ibex]

IF

[tawdry shell]

That's my bit

[opaque current]

I cant personally verify its resolution, but I can find the message where it was stated it was

[analog ivy]

that's my battlebit

[little ibex]

i can also show you a message with the due date of the update on mid april 2024.. 😛

[analog ivy]

ik they mentioned that but it was meant as a joke and not serious

[opaque current]

And then the proceeding messages that explain the change of situation

[analog ivy]

[opaque current]

Ahh gotcha

[tawdry shell]

Still never beating that allegation

[analog ivy]

it was just meant to portrait them finding issues that players have been knowing for months

[opaque current]

Its one of the few jokes that take 0 mental effort to make, a common stead among the shit posters

[tawdry shell]

Real

When we gonna shitpost about health system

[reef wasp]

We already are

Tho suggestion aint bein seen at all

[tawdry shell]

What about ammo

And squad point menu

[reef wasp]

Whats wrong with ammo

[analog ivy]

squad point menu another very annoying thing

[tawdry shell]

What isn't

[reef wasp]

You gonna need to tell me cause ammo seems fine for the most part

[analog ivy]

beside mags merging ye kinda?

[tawdry shell]

Supply crates + shit ammo box gadgets

[analog ivy]

[tawdry shell]

• drum mags not effecting mag count but they're shit anyway

[analog ivy]

what's the issue with those beside blocking entrances?

[tawdry shell]

Whats the point of a useless ass ammo box you can never find when you can spam supply drops

Or respawn ~~but you can just make people respawn with 3/8 mags but then oki will cry about xp ~~

[analog ivy]

ammo box is easily s tier if you don't use the suicide playstyle

[tawdry shell]

Yeah for solo

The word everyone hates

[reef wasp]

Fuck kind of stupid take is this

[little ibex]

no.. honestly.. if you have a squad that is playing a little bit tactical.. you are the absolut foundation with your ammo-box...

[tawdry shell]

Wheres the ammo box

[tall oxide]

iirc we changed it a little bit where the angle doesn't need to be as high (180 turns realistically are not the only problem) but still little to no noticable difference if you move around like a normal average player.

but dont quote me on this

[reef wasp]

Dude at the centre

Right in front of his feet

[analog ivy]

this might reduce rezzing while getting shot but i dont think this solves dodging over distance

together with higher ttk and dmg fall off

[tall oxide]

DMG fall-off is part of making this TTK thing happen. It's the same change. It's taken into account when normalising it around 400ms.

[tall oxide]

Perhaps. We will have to see how it plays out honestly. But in the new update it is significantly easier to hit people on distance due to shooting/recoil changes.

[quiet bough]

i hope the gun smoke is tuned down/ removed

shit looked ass

[tall oxide]

Got an example of where it stood out too much?

[quiet bough]

maybe in the copecasts

one sec

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345616096470237186/1241452504781295677/MK419.mp4?ex=66f1aebe&is=66f05d3e&hm=fa3037b2b461b9b19efa77d8975bc9858cc64196ca0dd36e13d5b1556a264c4d&

its just everywhere

this was in may

so maybe its changed?

[tall oxide]

interesting

will check on that, that looks like it's a bit distracting

[quiet bough]

ye lol

[tall oxide]

smoke should be an effect on the background in the corner of your eyes

Will check with @willow cosmos.

[quiet bough]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1228745343823253645 theres a whole tread about it

[quiet bough]

alr thx m8

[analog ivy]

at what distance will it be balanced around 400ms then?

[little ibex]

bruh.. why does the gun look like its fighting against the gravity of a super massive black hole when shooting?

[quiet bough]

ye its weird

hopefully its ironed out by now

[little ibex]

also the smooooke....

I've tested the MG3 in our company with 1200 shots with close to no break.. in winter.. and it didnt even smoked like that...

EDIT// Yeah... the smoke was even glowing a little and still didnt smoke like that...

[quiet bough]

xd

[little ibex]

i cant even tell everything that feels weird about that video...

...hipfire is like a kid holding a firehose with very high pressure while aiming downsight turns the player into a 200kg massive navi seal who doesnt flinch at all

[quiet bough]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/345616096470237186/1241452036797497495/2024-05-18_21-04-40.mp4?ex=66f1ae4e&is=66f05cce&hm=5c0b92993c3040d4e304e8040db269010ffd50792f80fb535dc19d0b0490aefb&

here is a even better example of the gun smoke

just way too much imo

[little ibex]

now.. the audio... was... extremly confusing... he still saw him and instantly turned into a muffled mess....

but ok.. thats old... like... 4 months old.. maybe its better now..

[little ibex]

Me: Anyone got smokes?
Players: Nah...
Me: Ok.. just... spray as much as you can!
xD

[quiet bough]

xd

[analog ivy]

he went outside the building

[little ibex]

yeah but still... you can stand outside the door while its open and i would hear you perfectly fine... imagine only hearing muffled shootss while the dude is literally spraying at you... because he can see you...

..i actually thought the audio depends on ray-casting.. (not the rendering thing but basically casting a ray from head to other players around you) to check if the audio should be muffled and how loud it should be etc

I mean.. i would do it like that...

[analog ivy]

imagine only hearing muffled shootss while the dude is literally spraying at you... because he can see you...
thats not whats happening. The sound gets "muffled" because he went outside and it no longer creates the echo it had indoors.

but ye its kinda a sharp difference and could be a bit smoother

[reef wasp]

Its really done so that the player can actually tell from where the shots are coming from more effectively

Same thing should also apply to stuff like footsteps etc.

If its behind a wall it should be "muffled"

No longer should it be a guessing game of where what sound is coming from

[opaque current]

oh my god the fucking gun smoke at 300% intensity, i forgot about that shit

[reef wasp]

Goofy ahh MW2019 gun smoke

[opaque current]

that and the soldiers shaking like they just did a line

i really, really, REALLY hope those are toned down

[reef wasp]

Idk from when those animations specifically are, but if im not tripping they are toned down

Someone should check

About the smoke also

Yeah its cool and all but it looks like my guy is smoking 500 cigarettes at the same time

Shits just too much

[tawdry shell]

Los

[tawdry shell]

Mw2019 was fine

2022 was the problem

[tawdry shell]

Not the pool noodle m249 clip 😭

Wonder if animations and camera movement are still egregious as fuck

[tawdry shell]

ok now where

[vale grotto]

Pretty much, bad skybox + lighting issues

One of those perma night vision maps

[merry ocean]

I have a feeling this is directed to someone I personally know

[merry ocean]

there is a reddit post about it

[reef wasp]

I see a tiny dot on the first floor of that building

Tho i must admit i wouldnt see it in gameplay normally

[reef wasp]

I see

[little ibex]

But it seems weird... "muffled sound" in my head is like "i dont see him, but can here him" and yet... in this case its just "he is not in the building" which gives me more information than it does now, granted but... that's still... shit...

...i just started digging into what the update might include with videos and all that stuff and.. i am honestly.. disapointed so far.

[merry ocean]

Those gun sounds just disappear, it's gonna be so ass I swear

[quiet bough]

for a gunshot

it fades out pretty quickly

[quiet bough]

'sounds good'

mf

[opaque current]

[merry ocean]

I was gassin him up to get an answer to my question your honor

[quiet bough]

xd

[tawdry shell]

audio bullshit aside

why does every gun sound like pool noodles

[opaque current]

The fuck pool noodles do you have

[little ibex]

I mean... its better like that to know your immediate surrounding... but... you will probably still here enemy footsteps like 200m away... gun is dead-silent be you can see the muzzleflash and hear his steps

[little ibex]

Was more thinking of BB guns....

[merry ocean]

😭 Bro I was tryna figure out why exactly I was gassin him up and found this gem of a message

[opaque current]

Just a question as, we've long abandoned the purpose of this original suggestion. What audio device do you use when playing? headphones, speakers, tv?

[tawdry shell]

iems

[quiet bough]

lol

[merry ocean]

Live armed bombs and firearms to simulate tinitus

[little ibex]

Tbf; we got a decent amount of other issues and had a lot good points against the current preview-snippets from the update... so... not a total waste of time here.. and not like the other thread, lol

[opaque current]

You do play a character whos supposed to be so XD nerdy, that parts accurate atleast

[opaque current]

Its.. the same people, its the same shit. Welcome!

[little ibex]

Nanananana.. the other "thread" is way more circle-jerk...

[tawdry shell]

the ak15 is still a battle rifle

[opaque current]

Just give it time

[little ibex]

...it always goes back to a... i'd say.. "decent" discussion... at least its decent for BBR staandards...

[tawdry shell]

#makeak15afuckingassaultriflealready

[little ibex]

I would totally delete 90% of the messages on a serious official discord for a game but.. i guess the game isn't that serious so... meh...

[opaque current]

[little ibex]

I'd also react to the suggestions and ask questions as a developer... but.. i honestly have never seen anyone official answering a thread...

[opaque current]

Vils Larry and Oki have all dropped in at one point or another. Vils is probably the most active at the moment.

Suggestion threads are just that, suggestions. Not a design space, or official development pipeline. Its a vaguelly formal town square to shoot your shot at things you think are cool.

[little ibex]

Isn't Vils "just" the map designer or something like that.. UI Designer... ?!

[opaque current]

Vils handles mapping as well as some smoll code changes from what ive seen. The ui and user experience person is currently unknown to the community.

Theres a few people who work for battlebit who do not participate in the discord mess

[tawdry shell]

ui guy was in one of the screenshots

[opaque current]

I mean yeah but I cant just say its santa

[little ibex]

I'd still ask questions to understand where players are coming from... but.. i would also have hired a shit ton additional devs and gamedesigners by now... i probably would have handled most of this differently... with.. german efficiency, you know

[opaque current]

Thats called hindsight

[merry ocean]

That name sounds very familiar hmmmmm

[opaque current]

Pretty sure julgers said its santa

[little ibex]

Nah... i told a buddy 1m after EA release that the should hire designer, community manager, QA and a few more people... with the 20-60m they made...

[opaque current]

[tawdry shell]

i cant find the ss

[little ibex]

I knew all that waaaaaaay before this thread and waaaaaay before the game started dropping players like they did

[opaque current]

Damn, shame you dont run your own game

[little ibex]

I would have also hired a single dev just to handle bugfixes and bugreports... because... it was and still seem to be necessary... BUT...

[opaque current]

Oh man i havent seen this episode in a while

[little ibex]

Yeah... i am to lazy to risk it all in the hopes of some streamers picking it up so it can get hyped 😄

[tawdry shell]

https: //www. joakimhedman. se/

found it

[little ibex]

Its not like i don't have ideas for a game or two... and its not like i am not working on the slowly but.. i mean... you gotta commit to have a chance and i dont want to risk it 🤷🏻‍♂️

[opaque current]

Enjoy that

[tawdry shell]

game dead till ak15 is an ar

[little ibex]

At least i wrote a decent netcode that syncs smokes, debris and other relevant entities for unity... 💀

[little ibex]

Who the f even playes AK15...

[tawdry shell]

people who want ak308 at home duh

[vale grotto]

Memes aside there are people who use ak15 support and recon

Do with that info as you will, its not common but it is a playstyle that people engage in

(Tbf same with any BR that isnt the g3)

[quiet bough]

wow invasion in September 2024

rare as fuck

[little ibex]

Play the weaponms you like.. i guess.... i personally wouldnt because it simply doesnt make sense the use a weapon which is worse in every way than alternatives but.. meh.. 🤷🏻‍♂️

[little ibex]

One side will probably not play objective at all and loose within minutes...

[quiet bough]

yea..

[little ibex]

Just played my daily match a few hours ago.. and... yeah... nah.. it was horrible... i'll wait till the update now... and decide if i keep playing after testing it for a few days.

[silk island]

I’m on the edge of my seat

[reef wasp]

20 to 60 mil is way, way too generous

Have they made a lot? Yeah absolutely, but defo not that much

Not excusing the fact that they prolly should have hired more people earlier, just saying that the amount of money that they have made is probably a lot less than 20 mil

[reef wasp]

People just like using some guns for funsies or cause they just like it

Or memes like pepega said

I use groza and svd the most
Not the best, but really good and they fit the playstyles i use the most

[analog ivy]

if you win with a disadvantage its twice as good

[reef wasp]

True

[old monolith]

After this post someone suggested only allowing you to spawn on transport vehicles in Conquest and Infantry Conquest, I agree with that. But to add to this post, I don't suggest lengthening respawn, but I do suggest removing the ability to respawn on prone players
That way if someone wants to go all Rambo, they're truly on their own

[vale grotto]

Prone blocking spawns wouldn’t stop or change anything, if anything it’s just a slight inconvenience.

[reef wasp]

Its also stupid, i shouldnt lose the ability to spawn on someone just cause they are prone

[little ibex]

Also... most people who go rumbo barely go prone... they might do it for a second but. mostly run around...

[tawdry shell]

dont tell em that

[quiet bough]

Who the hell is rumbo

Rambo with down syndrome

[reef wasp]

You forget that others may be prone for a longer period

Would sure be fun if half of my teammates were prone and i couldnt spawn on them

[spark oxide]

me when I play how I want to

[long haven]

This is a casual game that has an item literally designed to suicide bomb. I don't think it should mean anymore than it does in-game.

[vale grotto]

Tbf that meme item is also getting nerfed because people complained about cheap deaths with it

[reef wasp]

meme item
gets nerfed

[analog ivy]

it was way too strong for a meme item

and it 100% deserved the nerf oki talked about

[reef wasp]

By this logic mines should also be nerfed cause you can use them as budget c4

[opaque current]

A little bit yeh. The whole, run through enemies and instantly drop mines thing needs reeled in a tiny bit

[vale grotto]

Shh don’t let them know we plan to use mines and claymores to fill the void

[wide forge]

its not like that isn't already on the radar

[tawdry shell]

claymore indicator when

[merry ocean]

Enemy collision

[vale grotto]

Surely this wont be used to fly and oki remembers to fix that

also me when claymore still xd

[analog ivy]

personally I think they should increase their deploy time slightly

[reef wasp]

Like half a second or?

[analog ivy]

just enough that you cant place them while sprinting

that you need to stop for a small time

[reef wasp]

I see

[analog ivy]

or an arming time

just sth that you cant use it as suicide c4

[hoary drift]

I gave this suggestion a year ago, maybe it could be added onto this suggestion as it does ring a bit like mine.

[tawdry shell]

Aint no way its joelus the saviour of bbr

[vale grotto]

Already being nerfed in another way, and even then that has nothing to do with respawn thing or whatever OP is talking about because of suicide penalty

Which is supposed to be required in all official progression/official servers to prevent another gromp situation happening so..

It would just be another nerf on top of the “delay before explosion” making it pointless to run

[tawdry shell]

[fathom wing]

A headshot indicator on death screen would be something nice to have in addition to this

[urban epoch]

extend the respawn time and give the player something to do. be it being able to ping from unoccupied drones only while on timer or anything

[short hamlet]

cough #1237167373060931624 message

[vale grotto]

Hmm yes I love forcing mechanics that people clearly dont like down the throats of others, surely this will end well

[tawdry shell]

Fun times

[short hamlet]

Its just something to think about. Right now too many people are just spacing out and people support the idea of making dying mean something

[vale grotto]

Yes but we already had such discussions about fucking with respawn speeds and its clear that it’s almost universally hated. Official players feel theirs is fine, community does NOT want to be fucked with even further by bitching of players who rarely touch those servers, let alone play them game (so basically most of reddit and a small chunk of people here.)

The only ones agreeing to it are the people saying that the squad spawning system it’s self being fixed would probably be better (squad spawn LoS issues, making relay actually feel useful and make SLs aware of it) or HLL/Squad refugees who haven’t learned of the fate of BB legacy and are doomed to repeat it if we go that route.

[open mica]

16v16 with 0 sec respawn is the same as 32v32 with 15 second respawn.
Game is still fun, but different with fast gameplay and fast respawns.

Community Custom servers or milsim mode or alternative gamemodes are much better for making dying mean something.
Simple timer increase is meh.

Alternatively
Maybe decrease respawn time for every time revived?
Players who C4 fast deaths, wait 15 seconds.
Player who played with team and squad, was revivied 3 times, wait 0 seconds.

[vale grotto]

Who’s gonna tell him there’s already suicide penalty for those “suicide fast deaths” that ALL official progression servers are supposed to use?

You all forget gromp happened and they already did that among other changes as a way to stop it “xp farm”

Also the reason why they won’t have any form of “instant respawn” again, even if it’s because “you played with your squad”. (Oki hated that people were gaining XP too fast by respawning to cap points.)

In addition, whilst I get the idea behind a death timer, oki's goal is to keep the game casual. Not all new players are going to enjoy being punished for trying to push whilst their team fails to do so which, funnily enough, still happens to this day. And vets will just stack to effectively make this a non-issue for them (which people also complain about.)

We aren’t even allowed to have instant spawns currently, just a “fast” timer that’s on par with most other community servers. If that’s what you’re referring to fair enough but nobody does instant spawns.

Im not saying you’re wrong for wanting a milsim mode I 100% support that when oki gets around to it. But a lot of the stuff that you’re saying needs to be changed… already effectively has some sort of that, or a reason as to why that cant (and probably shouldn't) be the case. And it's hard to really "give benefits to encourage x and y" without also massively boosting players who play in parties and stacks (when most of the playerbase generally plays solo/not in a party)

Yes i'm really driving the point of that "gromp" situation in because of the changes made in regards to official progression and what they can/can't do after it happened.

Also this still stands imo #1287125860268376147 message

[tawdry shell]

Wall

Comically accurate wall

[vale grotto]

MFer I have to schizo type this otherwise people are going to believe shit that simply isn’t true

inertia thread styled typing be damned

[merry ocean]

Gromp happened because the XP gained per squad member that followed an order was over-tuned

[vale grotto]

Yes, oki went full paranoid mode and made additional changes as a result of that

Most knee jerk changes are a result of “preventing xp farming” or punishing the whole group instead of a few bad actors

Which, to be fair as of recent they seem to be trying to address that and actually punish those bad actors (but then again we can also chalk this up to there being no update in 10 months, so make of that what you will)

[merry ocean]

And in the end gromp didn't even get punished

[jaunty hill]

ok, so in other words oki is nerfing the shit out of xp/score gains?
meanwhile there hasn't been an update for months an everyone (pretty sure everyone) has their stuff already maxed out....
regardless of "for newer players" hard capped xp gains just make bell curves that would just benefit veted players, unless we're getting a global reset?

[tawdry shell]

That's from long ago

Inb4 there's another one

[jaunty hill]

oh... still though, we need better balancing

[tall oxide]

The changes mentioned are already there. Is mostly the double respawn timer after respawn

Because people would suicide and then spawn on another location super super fast, and then be basically everywhere at the same time

[open mica]

That's not only a bad thing.
If the players are on the other side of the map and I never meet them.
They might as well be playing on a different server.

If I just ran to an objective and there are no more enemies.
Why shouldn't I respawn to get back to combat?

If a player is in a part of map with no enemies and the only access to combat is by running for 30+ seconds, why not respawn?
Can't respawn? I guess time to switch servers 😄

[reef wasp]

Imagine lacking the attention span so much so cant stand running for 30 seconds to get to an objective

[tawdry shell]

Simple

Just tac sprint into a sniper

Thanks oki

[reef wasp]

Bayonet charge into snipers when

[tawdry shell]

Better idea

I just play factorio

[vale grotto]

Smaller and well designed maps where the flow is there and there’s a sense of a large scale battle = more fun

Larger maps with dead/unused space, walking from one point to another with no real fight = not fun

Most of the engagements don’t happen because it’s just point trade the video game rn

And some of the maps are large enough to where it’s entirely possible to keep trading points and never have a “large scale” battle

(Doesn’t help we have noob trap points like frugis heli spawn and opposite of waki bridge, for example, which essentially is dead space everywhere in an attempt to place a “balanced” vehicle spawn)

[reef wasp]

I agree with you on this, tho i dont think 30 seconds of sprinting to reach a point is too long

If its like sandy or eduardovo where it takes like 2-3 minutes its an issue

[vale grotto]

Tbh I genuinely think edu was designed with domi more so in mind

Conq/frontline? layouts are way too open with little cover in certain parts, and generally isn’t fun to fight in. Seems like tanks/helis/etc. and map expansion was placed as an afterthought

Domi layout of edu? Only the center area (which has a decent amount of buildings and cover that can be utilized), with B often being the meat grinder/warzone area. Flank routes to A/C with some cover also exist if players so desire to try and back cap. Snipers have spots to utilize too (granted safe zone sniping can be an issue but it’s not as overbearing imo)

Although in general yeah edu and Sandy desperately need their reworks, and maps should have less dead space in their layouts. But there is some “redeeming” stuff to these maps imo, and I feel it should be noted (it’s not lonovo levels of bad where people rarely play obj, anyways)

[reef wasp]

Honestly i think both sandy and edu would be decent maps if their size were to just be cut down and a tad rearranged in a few places

They do have nice spots but maps like 80% empty

Sandy looks promising in that regard

[little ibex]

People are still arguing here? I am honestly extremly surprised that there are still players who didn't abandon the game and the devs... every suggestion is imho pointless at this point because the update will maybe result in a 5k player peak for 1-4 weeks after which is drops back down to 500-1000 again with a constant decline down to.. maybe 200-500

[silk island]

Please keep threads on topic! I’m sure mods will make a dedicated bitching and complaining thread if you so wish.

[jaunty hill]

a little late for that

[reef wasp]

People just be arguing about random things at this point

Its gotten off topic to say the least

[tawdry shell]

Only good suggestions are the dead ones 🔥

[short hamlet]

Here is probably a very bad out of the box suggestion to stay on topic. What if, if you die too quickly or too often, you spawn in with slightly less HP. Like very mundane, up to 10 HP less to encourage safer playstyle. You'd gain them back if you are alive long enough too.

But probably, encouraging living long is probably better than punishment. So maybe the opposite, you get spawned in with slightly more HP depending on how long you lived on your last live?

[tawdry shell]

So give the decent players a chance to snowball when everyone already has a seizure the moment someone sprints

[analog ivy]

new players spawning with 20hp

[jaunty hill]

here's an idea, squad spawning has slight debuff such as movement an gear capacity limits until said seconds are up after spawning

[tawdry shell]

Can't we just like be normal

How do you people have such a hard on for the most cooked suggestions instead of just remove supply drops + not full ammo on spawn

[reef wasp]

Or actually making squad spawning work and not be a broken mess

[jaunty hill]

1. anyone in a squad earning points can call in a box
2. it makes more sense to have halfed ammo on a squad spawn instead of a fob/vehicle insertion point

[tawdry shell]

Almost like I said remove supply drops

[jaunty hill]

tbh I would love to see a vehiclur insertion point rather then squad spawning

[jaunty hill]

I miss interpreted my bad

[tawdry shell]

Wouldn't work

[vale grotto]

im going to solely say no because fuck you, frugis tunnel crates

also forcing people to play support for ammo resupply would just bring back the one class problem, same reason why people went medic at the time to full heal

which probably wouldn't help the situation given supports being given buffs to exo so a shit ton of people might be playing it anyways for that

[jaunty hill]

Tell me you just went "we dnt want a one class issue, even though we're going to possibly have a one class issue" XD

[reef wasp]

This isnt correct, next update armor will not have durability anymore, same goes for helmets (helmets specifically will be purely cosmetic, while armor will still have stats like mags, nades, move speed etc.)

This means that armor will do jackshit in terms of how much health you will have

Unless they jack support health comically high, support should be getting nerfed

[jaunty hill]

that sounds worse

[reef wasp]

We still dunno what the health values will be or anything, nor what changes the armors will receive once durability is out of the picture

But i assume they wont give support like 150 health or some shit

So yeah, exo is defo not being buffed in terms of durability for sure

[jaunty hill]

it makes me more impatient to see what will change

[tawdry shell]

125 is still a stupid amount when guns do 16 damage

[reef wasp]

I mean one gun does, and thats supposed to be the average ttk, not the lowest

Who fucking knows tbh

[tawdry shell]

OK but what if t word

[tawdry shell]

Smgs about to be crying in the corner but anyway

[jaunty hill]

M200 does 70dam
Rpk does 32
AK does 31
dmrs do 47 on average
highest smg is 25
So shits about to get Hella nerfed

[reef wasp]

Snipers will probably remain unchanged cause fuck balancing snipers ig

[tawdry shell]

M4 does 16 next update

[reef wasp]

At least its getting a faster fire rate

[jaunty hill]

ok... but I dnt really touch assault rifles, I'm a squirrel with a 7.62 dream

besides
(Does 70dm,)
assist 168xp....

[tawdry shell]

🔥

Wonder if ammo boxes will ever become not ass

Or if we just keep supply boxes because bandaid

[reef wasp]

I mean besides the fact that small ones kinda suck ass, big ones are generally pretty nice

And the thing that you pointed out about not being visible enough at times

[tawdry shell]

More like 99% of the time

[reef wasp]

Eyeball issue (partially)

[tawdry shell]

My honest reaction when the icon doesn't even render past like 25m

And when it does its small ass white icon on small ass green box

[reef wasp]

I mean if you cant notice the box at least ya gotta get your eyes checked

Icon, sure fine i get it

[tawdry shell]

The green low trees on district:

[reef wasp]

To be fair you cant see shit on district anyways

[tawdry shell]

OK but what if

Now buff med boxes

[reef wasp]

They gotta give them bandages when i drop the med box

[tawdry shell]

Remove bandages 🔥