Oki, please do not make the game arcadey to this extent.

[old karma]

I hope not

I kinda disagree with the dmg reduction

Current good players will still land their shots

Unskilled players will start landing them more often

For me its a new challenge to trade shots with more people

Instead of target practicing

Just my personal opinion

[tawny fern]

Omfg how the game goes from a indie tripple A down the chute to -AAA

BBR Community carefully slandering the game is wild.

He will not listen. Maybe this will

Why u ping the damn dev? Now we will be stopped from saying our thoughts and speaking our minds

[tawny fern]

DONT TOUCH RECOIL DAMN IT

[thorny yoke]

Whole mag dump and man is still alive, you love to see it

[tawny fern]

Bims just casually dropping in

Just casually shit my pants when reading half of the changes listed here. Wild

[thorn forge]

Battlebit doomers

Were cooked

[tawny fern]

Bro doomed BBR

Me realizing that slandering is one way to get banned and I ain't the first

[honest igloo]

We can just make another thread it's fine

[tawny fern]

Then it will be deleted for making a similiar one

[honest igloo]

If we don't ping him, we will be all good

[tawny fern]

Fr

[fast willow]

Going to be a case of nothing but snipers and SMGs/brs if he actually goes through with it tbh, I don’t see anyone wanting to use, lets say, the ultimax for these purposes if it does less damage, and it already sucks at close range.

[thorn forge]

Did you just cook this up

[fast willow]

Perhaps

[thorn forge]

[thorny yoke]

I want to rewrite my suggestion a bit to clarify some things but the fucking 2k letter limit is killing me

[thorn forge]

Write it in Chinese

[thorn forge]

Ghost ping

[hollow inlet]

Tbh I've never found the recoil in bbr to be crazy hard, even on the scorpion. I'm not great at controlling it or anything, but I think people just aren't used to actually having recoil is all

I think people just don't burst at range a lot or something

[old karma]

Nah, I spray all the way until is dead

Managing recoil is fun tho

At least for me

[barren hound]

It is a different game when using scorpion ngl

[hollow inlet]

Same

[barren hound]

Basically being focused on taking fights at close range, with is alot difficult depending on the map

[hollow inlet]

Advertising my new repost since the devs want to focus on new players so much https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1181077130768040016

I think actual changes like that would be better tbh

Making the game respect the players time more, giving more player choice, and also just letting players do what they want rather than trying to control the new player experience like it's a lab experiment

[barren hound]

A good way couls be weapon related challenges actually unlocking the damn weapon

[hollow inlet]

I mentioned that in the post!

Because I agree lol

[barren hound]

get 100 kils with the kriss vector
i donr have it

The same way i had alot more fun playing anything other than support it did make me level faster and try new things when following the challenges

[hollow inlet]

I do think class challenges are a good way to get players to try things out organically

But you don't want to lock too many weapons behind that sort of thing because then they'll feel required. So it'll be a balance if they do lock guns behind that. It'd be better than locking guns behind being level 200 lol - although it would be funny to have one really dogwater gun locked behind that

[tawny fern]

Bet

I bet oki will shut down that suggestion cause it isn't "good enough"

[hollow inlet]

My suggestions have been ignored since I got mario kart voting in (I will live off that achievement forever)

So tbh kind of fair

[hollow inlet]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1181077130768040016 necro'd the original post instead

[tame elbow]

Use an image or smth

[hollow inlet]

you feel my pain actually. Just gotta smallen up the stuff

also it should be casualize not casualise imo

We're so update starved we're critiquing the suggestions now

[hasty elm]

Live footage of Oki receiving criticism for an update that hasn't even been released

[hollow inlet]

literally tho

[thorny yoke]

I think i'll pull out a doc or something cause i have A LOT to yap about

Not now tmrw maybe

I will however change title to something bit more accurate

Oki, please do not make the game arcadey to this extent.

Arcadey is probably a better word for what the updates will do to bbr

[patent pumice]

Youre wasting your breath. If Oki even bothers to read it he'll just write it off because you havent played the update yet so you dont know what it will actually be like.

[thorny yoke]

Then i will waste my breath when the update comes out

[hollow inlet]

I'm all about breathing on Oki

I do genuinely think Oki reads this stuff sometimes and gets reasonbile ideas. He defo just stops reading it when it gets bashy

especially with the community getting pretty quiet, they can actually read stuff more often I think

[plain lava]

"The community is expressing strong distaste for the consistently poor handling of updates and content"

"Wlel they were mean so uhh actually it's THEIR fault for being upset about it"

This is far too frequent of an attitude

[hollow inlet]

To be 100% fair, this community is pretty toxic on discord a lot of the time lol

Like, did you see the inertia thread 💀 . It was a tad overkill at times

The real problem's always been communication and such. I do love that there are sections/forums for at least talking about all of this though

I think this community has had some interesting discussions about game design as a whole from time to time when we're not just arguing and throwing shit at each other.

Definitly 90% of the discussion would calm down if shit was tried out in a beta environment though. When you can actually mess with something and not theorize it tends to boil the discussions down a lot more

Voting for example could've been 100% tested out within a safe beta environment to determine which ones gave the most enjoyment for players. You could just ask when someone presses quit "rate your fun levels from 1 to 5" and only change up voting and get data on how that affects peeps.

People would be less mad too because they'd be like "oh it's just a beta"

[patent pumice]

That doesnt need a testing environment, infact I think that would be one of the worst things to test in a beta branch because the people who will feel the strongest about it are probably pretty well correlated with people who dont use the beta branch

The issue with these types of changes is that they never get fixed when something's broken

It doesnt have to go through testing first if you just fix it as quick as you would if it were in a test branch anyways

[hollow inlet]

Idk about that, I think the people who would use the beta branch would be the loudest folks usually (who cares though tbh).

You could just push out changes to fix stuff on the main branch quickly, but the point of the test branch is to catch that stuff before it reaches the general public and it sets up the expectation that it WILL be glitchy and unfinished, and that some things may not reach the main branch ever.

Like game breaking bugs such as sound literally not working in that one update that was out for like 2 hours lol. He fixed the stuff quick, but it was dissapointing/annoying for a lot of people for it to launch like that

[patent pumice]

With how casual battlebit is meant to be i really dont think it matters at all if things are caught before they hit live servers

[hollow inlet]

I think it's more important with how casual it is actually. Just look at helldivers 2, people were frustrated with how broken and buggy that game could and still can be. I literally stopped playing for a bit because of the constant crashing at one point and not being able to get into servers. That stuff can majorly impact the experience for people. I have one buddy who will just drop a game for months and be like "I'll wait for them to patch it a couple times" if he runs into any issues.

With that one BBR update that borked the sound for like an hour or two I literally just stopped playing waiting for it to be fixed. It's a little thing but it just looks bad and feels bad for the players. Gives some trust issues as well with the developers for the players.

[patent pumice]

I literally stopped playing for a bit
I literally just stopped playing waiting for it to be fixed

[hollow inlet]

Yea, it was annoying lol

I didn't exactly like it, and like I said some people like my friend will literally just write off the game for a while because of it

If every update is like that (which 2 or 3 were if I remember right) it can really kill hype for updates

[thorny yoke]

That doesnt mean you should still push an unpolished patch

[hollow inlet]

Beta environments help curb that kind of stuff in general, and can be fun for more dedicated members of the community imo

[patent pumice]

The hype for the game is killed because they build up a reputation that they dont fix problems quickly and all the patches that they put out just introduce more problems

Which is the case for battlebit, which is why its dead currently

[hollow inlet]

They did fix the problems quickly is the thing

[patent pumice]

No bbr did not

[hollow inlet]

Usually Oki would fix a lot of stuff an hour or so after launch

Like the sound issue thing, I think there was another game breaking bug after that next patch that was fixed quick as well (can't remember, I'll dig around for it)

[patent pumice]

Black screen bug and current audio has been in the game for 5 months

[hollow inlet]

Those not being fixed is also a bad thing, doesn't mean he doesn't fix some other stuff quick is what I'm saying

[patent pumice]

Im not saying he doesnt, I'm saying he doesnt have a reputation for doing that

[hollow inlet]

Hitmarkers were reverted pretty quick

I think I'm thinking mostly of hit markers and the sound thing, I think those were the two I was referring to

[patent pumice]

How long was the explosive bug in the game?

[hollow inlet]

Either or, point is he did quickly fix up those major issues quickly and listen to feedback quick in those cases - at that time. It feels like they've 180'd since then for sure.

What I'm saying is a beta environment helps catch a lot of that stuff and quickly test bigger changes before just throwing them out there for players to deal with for who knows how long

[patent pumice]

where you couldnt shoot explosives

[hollow inlet]

OH YEA that one, it was in there for a little bit I think

Like a patch or two

that's one that would've been caught for sure

I digress, frustrations build up over time with games being broken. Depends on what's broken of course for what players will tolerate and for how long.

[thorny yoke]

They should still push out hotfixes for stuff like that

[hollow inlet]

I agree ofc

Idk who wouldn't, but maybe they wouldn't need to and all that

if it was all tested lmao. Feedback team, what are they doing smh

[cosmic rapids]

Who remembers boomerang c4

[steep tide]

Who remember the bbr alive moment

[cosmic rapids]

😭

[hollow inlet]

omg that shit was cool

😔 bring back funny c4

@thorny yoke real quick thread name suggestion. "Oki, please make game good"

[thorny yoke]

I shouldve just written that damn

[tawny fern]

I already got one

[tawny fern]

bro, half the BBR community carefully slandering Okis ability ability to use a brain because of an update that isn't out is crazy along with slandering his name AGAIN carefully so no one gets banned.

[hollow inlet]

Yea, the slander is crazy. Someone's gotta push the Oki agenda. Oki dick riders when?

We need to balance the force a little

[tawny fern]

Fr

[little lynx]

I stopped playing this game, but I come back on occasion to see what's up, hoping that they would revert their nerfs to fun. I gotta say, these (the.) developers really don't know what made their game pop off initially, did they?

[stark oyster]

they are trying to appeal to everyone

but as you know, you can't

[tawny fern]

Nope

[tawny fern]

Fr, they should stop tryna make the game for newbies and keep up what was originally made which means the game is made for sweats to absoloutly shit on all the newbies which is what I like.

[stark oyster]

to protect sheeps from wolves what do you do?

[tawny fern]

No clue, just kill em?

[stark oyster]

okay lemme restructure it, what do you build?

[little lynx]

I liked how both wack and consistent the game was.

[tawny fern]

....

I am braindead

[little lynx]

I hate when devs make arbitrary design choices such as making ADS reduce recoil; especially when the non-RNG hipfire was part of the draw for me to the game.

[tawny fern]

Fr.

[little lynx]

Now ADSing is even better; making the game more campy and less mobile than it needs to be.

[stark oyster]

a fence you baka, you have a Minecraft pig as pfp how do you not know this

[tawny fern]

Devs be flushing the game down the toilet

[stark oyster]

a fence to separate them

[tawny fern]

OH, I get it.

Ye a fence

[little lynx]

They made SMG's do arbitarily much less damage over medium distances, due to one problematic weapon.

[stark oyster]

so to get the wolves (sweaty players out) you build a fence. what's the fence? comp mode

[tawny fern]

Exactly. If devs dont wanna add comp, don't make changes for newbies

[stark oyster]

it already exists

[little lynx]

On top of the fact that they should have already been naturally weaker at distances due to lower bullet velocities.

[patent pumice]

i dont think you know what arbitrary means but i get your point

I wouldnt say that all deviations from reality are bad

Like reducing recoil while ads makes sense because your fov and sensitivity goes down

Also IRL youre changing position, so you would have a better handle on your guns recoil

[little lynx]

Making ADS have less recoil than hipfire is a nerf to hipfire/buff to the ADS through arbitrary means.

[patent pumice]

What do you mean by arbitrary?

[little lynx]

Not intrinsic. 99% of game design is arbitrary, but its up to the developers to not make it feel so.

[main delta]

Is anyone gonna mention how devs gave us invasion and then proceeded to completely ignore any feedback and completely kill the game mode.

[patent pumice]

I think if you wanna fix problems with gamemodes you kinda first have to fix whatever it is that makes everyone always vote conquest if given the option

[mint silo]

Markiplier always spitting fax 🗣️

[mint silo]

We need weighted voting again

It's pure bullshit how the same things always wins

[patent pumice]

I think there are some important considerations to be made for that type of voting though

Like it sucks to be a vehicle player and constantly have to switch servers just to be able to play the game

[mint silo]

That's true

[patent pumice]

Cause you have no idea if the game just started or not

[mint silo]

That also leads to the next:

Why limit vehicles so much?

With the chaos sometimes they instantly die the second they put one wheel in the battlefield

Also, every game mode feels... Literally the same with one new rule

Invasion was the last one I've really enjoyed

[patent pumice]

I dont feel that way at all

Conq is very different from Domi which is very different from Frontline which is very different from Invasion

From the perspective of how the game feels / flows

The best way to solve it would probably be by allowing queuing by game mode instead of just playercount somehow

[mint silo]

Exactly

[patent pumice]

But also allowing official servers to be made that dont have specific gamemodes in rotation

[mint silo]

I don't get why they used the playercount?

[tawny fern]

Fr. Bro is genius

[patent pumice]

So like if 18 people are queuing Domi / FL / CTF, a new server should be made for them that only have those in rotation if it doesnt already exist

[mint silo]

Exactly THIS

It's just so boring when an official server becomes a conquest festa

Since Sem Chorar servers died in Brasil, the only 2 official servers became just that

[patent pumice]

And we still havent gotten an explanation as to why exactly new servers cant be whitelisted

[main delta]

Yep, pretty sure terminal tried to get something for this and only was able to get a permanent official server, which isn’t really what people even wanted.

Which sucks

[thorn forge]

ever since the asian 64v64 server went down a few months ago its all downhill from there

[thorny yoke]

True, but from a gameplay standpoint, why should we get less recoil while ADS
Guns in this game dont need lower recoil at all

[patent pumice]

Less ads recoil relative to how it is now?

Like the change thats coming in the update?

[thorny yoke]

Yes

Specifically by 20%

[hasty elm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/733731674688454747/1121125987346817104/caption.gif

[thorny yoke]

They have said in the devcast summary specifically that the ADS is being lowered in exchange for more damage dropoff

[cosmic rapids]

WE LOVE MORE GLOBAL RANGE NERFS FOR 0 REASON

[cosmic rapids]

except snipers because theyre special ed

[thorn forge]

Sniper need better close range damage real

[green pelican]

Snipers, battlebits most protected class

[stark oyster]

You say this after medium scope glint and bullet trails killed everything but the longest of long range sniping dead.

[green pelican]

You're wrong sorry

Try to be right before you post

[plain lava]

Quit being a baby you can still snipe at medium range

One of the few classes that can consistently one shot has downsides oh no

[barren hound]

dont care

give it more downsides

[barren hound]

did they said if the damage dropoff will be same value for every gun or each category will be different

like smg having the highest damage dropoff while lmgs have the least and ars are in between

[thorny yoke]

No specifics so far

[cosmic rapids]

shut up outis

[tame elbow]

https://tenor.com/bVG8n.gif

I have no issues sniping with the 4x and bullet trails

[signal moss]

bec its still easy af

[hollow inlet]

@graceful meadow idk who makes the stickers, but can this be one

[hollow inlet]

oh yea, my discord is plum lol

[patent pumice]

Oh I was talking about ads recoil being lowered compared to hipfire at all

Since he said it was arbitrary but he meant something else by arbitrary

[thorny yoke]

Ah i see

[little lynx]

Making bullets magically do less damage over distance despite nothing changing such as bullet velocity is glaringly arbitrary in design.

Same with adding a magical limit to claymore and C4 out on fields to balance them rather than touching their visibility, hitbox, or damage.

[patent pumice]

Arbitrary means without a reason. There is a very clear reason for damage falloff.

[little lynx]

Arbitrary doesn't necessarily mean without reason.

Having a weapon be ineffective at range because their bullets are slow make the game balance feel more natural and intrinsic than having them be ineffective due to damage drop-off.

[hollow inlet]

Idk the limit was probably needed lol, though it was funny

[little lynx]

I think if the devs let players hijack enemy claymores, it would punish spam enough to discourage thoughtless placement while adding to player agency.

[thorny yoke]

Claymores, mines and agts have placing limits, which is 4 i think

[little lynx]

The hard limit is a cop-out.

[hollow inlet]

I don't think it was a cop out lol. I think it was a "300 mines lag the server" type thing.

[thorny yoke]

It was due to their insane aboundance back in the day

[little lynx]

The game was well optimized to the point where I felt like I've never encouraged server lag like that.

[thorny yoke]

Literal fields worth of claymores and mines

[atomic swift]

Classic Oki move to utterly gut some part of the game instead of just toning it down to a reasonable level

[little lynx]

Could have been easily countered by hijacking mechanic.

and to have reworked claymores to do damage in a frontal cone as opposed to the spherical radius.

[little lynx]

Gutted my mazes full of traps.

[patent pumice]

What do you mean by that?

[little lynx]

Which were hard countered by explosives or deconstruction.

[thorny yoke]

Hang on i got a thread for this

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1225253500116537374

[little lynx]

Letting all players (or a specific class) interact with claymores to switch them onto their side.

[thorny yoke]

I think he means this

Ye

[little lynx]

Yep, I had an idea like this a long time ago.

Great minds think alike.

||but fools seldom differ||

#1152892810891112578 message

[patent pumice]

That would have had a completely different effect to the solution we got though

Instead of making mines less common it would have made it so you still had to watch out for mines just as much, but you could do more about them

[little lynx]

So, you're saying it would increased player agency within the game.

On top of that, it would eventually curb mindless spam.

And it would also let players approach them from >180* safely.

[patent pumice]

Im not saying that one way would be better or worse, im saying that doing it that way would be different

[little lynx]

It would also make finicky placements such as on stairs where the wires are facing walls much less effective, since triggering it wouldn't be enough; the player would also have to be in front of them to take damage.

[patent pumice]

So it seems like an 'arbitrary' choice is necessary here to get the result that they wanted from the nerf

[little lynx]

It absolutely would be; I think it would be for the better.

[little lynx]

Yes, but clearly arbitrary design makes a game feel worse to play IMO.

Like the difference between balancing an ability through frame-data like in Smash or Souls games rather than cooldowns found in Mobas and Hero Shooters.

The developers have full control over everything, they can easily speed up/slow down animations, but the end result is something that feels more intrinsic, natural, logical, and immersive to the player.

It makes the game feel less gamey. And when you balance things this way, it means you also have to be more thoughtful in the design of your abilities, generally leading to a higher skill-ceiling and gap.

An example could be comparing Genji's one-tap to deflect everything for a few seconds ability to actively parrying in Souls, Powershielding in Smash, or even using Fox/Falco's deflector in Smash.

Genji's deflect can be busted on its own, but its balanced out by the cooldown. Everything else mentioned either requires strict timing, startup/end lag with a punish window, or can be countered by a different type of offensive action if predicted.

[signal moss]

i love stopping every 5m to hijack a mine

[thorny yoke]

Im not agaisnt the mechanic and personally i think the placeable limit should be determined by the amount i can carry on person at the given time (i have 5 claymores, 5 will stay when i place them)

I do still think there needs to be a hard limit

Having to stop every second to destroy/ hijack a mine would get rather tedious if there were zero limits to them

Same applies for other gadgets

[little lynx]

Even before the limit, I never felt like I found a mine every second.

Even if that were the case, making scout drones able to destroy/hikack mines could be a nifty workaround.

At the very least, if a player is resupplying their mines through a supply drop rather than through respawning, none of those mines should count towards any limit.

[tawny fern]

Fr

Bro the slander is crazzzzyyyyy!

I just viewed other threads and the slander on the update and devs is fucking wild

[tawny fern]

https://discordapp.com/channels/303681520202285057/650516234366091274/1231423037807788043 Nah bros capping hard. No one has suggested this from what I see.

[old karma]

I did

[cosmic rapids]

[tawny fern]

How many more false claims coming out? It is ironic for the glint of medium scopes that he posted the fucking thread, yet there is no evidence to back up this shitty claim

[patent pumice]

What?

[tawny fern]

https://discordapp.com/channels/303681520202285057/650516234366091274/1231423037807788043

This

I do not see anywhere where it is "heavily" suggested

[patent pumice]

tbh i've never even noticed that you couldnt do that and i've never seen anyone ask to be able to do that

Im wondering what he means by heavily requested too

maybe its from these new players that quit the game after an hour that he talks to

[pearl dragon]

I've seen posts about aim being jank when switching to secondary. Like if you ADS with primary and switch to secondary you'll be aiming at a completely different spot. It seems like that is resolved from the video posted.

[tawny fern]

If so, then this game is doomed. You can't just take stuff from the community which the playerbase was built on and make it noob-friendly. Its like taking candy from a baby which will piss off the community. If Oki wants the community to still be here before the update, launch comp ANd THEN make these changes to be noob-friendly.

[tawny fern]

Your missing the point here.

[patent pumice]

youre 100% right except for the comp part

[cosmic rapids]

only slightly jank

[tawny fern]

How so? I am not the first to suggest this in the thread here.

[pearl dragon]

I mean it seems more likely that Oki is miscommunicating than it is that he's just straight making shit up.

[tawny fern]

Fr. Thats why I posted that. Oki from what I see is making random things/excuses/posts for adding things he wants.

Get ready for the game to change to a BR as they wanted early.

I am kicking back my feet and watching the chaos of the game go down.

[patent pumice]

Comp wouldnt do anything to keep me around if the base game was turned to garbage like it looks like its going to be

[tawny fern]

True.

[patent pumice]

BBR scratches an entirely separate itch to any other comp game, I really dont know why people want it at all.

[tawny fern]

Imagine game dying in less then 2-3 yrs after release.

[tawny fern]

True.

It seems this is all going down to shit.

[thorny yoke]

That applies to a few other things as well. Looks fixed so i cant complain really

[honest igloo]

A Heavily requested suggestion that wasn't just reverting a change from the update

👍

[tardy jasper]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1186136274038435840
oki only does what oki wants to do

[old karma]

Insane

[old karma]

Thank you

[old karma]

It is jank

[old karma]

Hi, not exactly a new player who quit after a few hours

[soft inlet]

Is the new feedback system even live

I remember they try to gather volunteers on that

[signal moss]

not yet

[native dragon]

hasnt even released yet its still EA lol

[hollow inlet]

❤️ I try

[little lynx]

This was a requested QoL feature which is fine.

There's a few regarding input priority which heavily affects players that use toggle ADS or Toggle Sprint.

Many old threads were deleted due to server limits; my beautiful Riot Shield Re-Work and Clickbait Medic Fix are just two of them. :(

[little lynx]

A quick search:
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1117181939569414326
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1104415457303351357
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1182801144892883106

[daring pawn]

you will join the modern fps formula
you will have your blisteringly quick killtime games
you will have prone and slide spam
you will have 50 meter firefights

[grizzled sparrow]

[grizzled sparrow]

you will have a pb of 40 kills in a 30 minute frontline game

should edit to “locking new players to support class” instead of implying the class will only be available to noobs

[thorny yoke]

Got it

[tame elbow]

You will support and you will like it!

GO BUILD SOME DEFENCES!

[thorny yoke]

Wait its already written

Could reword it a bit

[thorny yoke]

I do infact like it already

Tho it be pretty miserable experience as new player

[glossy inlet]

Does anyone know how heavily we should suggest in order for at least some of the suggestions to be added?

[kind spire]

they decide. the votes literally do not matter.

just the more people talk, and the higher the votes the more likely it gets noticed.

[elder furnace]

Literally BattleScam remastered

[trail oak]

Could we potentially see this patch going tits-up, killing the current player base (I'm OCE already dead) and no influx of new players or player retention doesn't go up?

[grizzled sparrow]

based

[grizzled sparrow]

"potentially"

oki opens his mouth on devstreams
"we will see this patch going tits-up [...]"

[signal moss]

thats what it looks like

[trail oak]

Dam! I really hope not been playing this game for ages, since closed beta.

[grizzled sparrow]

already looks bad

but will bring in many noobs and make the remainder of the top 1% of the game quit

[barren hound]

oki breaths on stream and he loses 100 players

[grizzled sparrow]

🤷‍♂️

[trail oak]

Yeah it bring noobs, but returning players. New players bring money in. unless they market the game well, which I've seen little to nun, and there 8 days left of this month if it releases last day.

i dont see where the new players come from. Maybe free the weekend update drops.

[grizzled sparrow]

they came from a sale

sale brought it from 2k to 4k-6k, and still no community server population spikes since the new players QM into officials

[barren hound]

thank god for most of it

was really tired of fast respawn

prefer qm and official servers as in now

[grizzled sparrow]

i mean

i prefer fast respawn comm servers

sucks that the qm doesnt put as many noobs in the 24/7 front/dom servers as they couldve

[barren hound]

dont care at the ideia to make it fast but jesus on these servers is so quick that it makes some fights to be impossible sometimes

[trail oak]

QM ?? quickmatch ? i can say i have never used that in the 400hr ive got

[barren hound]

10 min on the point closer to base killing and dying to the same 3 guys because they kept respawning to eachother

[grizzled sparrow]

that's reviving

not fast respawn

combat detection was "improved"

[barren hound]

reviving it is literally slower than just respawning on your squadmate

at these fast respawn servers i mean

[grizzled sparrow]

but if they're in combat 🤷‍♂️

[trail oak]

quick spawn in my eyes ruined the oce region

[signal moss]

fast respawn makes killing even less important and is only usefull for high kill games

[barren hound]

turns into a glorified tdm gamemode even more than base game

32 vs 32 rush becomes so bad aswell, whoever has the control of the bomb it can be so difficult to eachside to break bc on how everyone respawns quick

[grizzled sparrow]

balance aside, the way qm works means comm servers basically dont get anything from a spike in playercount unless the new guys consciously open server browser or uncheck officials

[barren hound]

tbh kinda difficult when the browse setting is so big but i get what you mean yeah

also bc i am one that sub consciously open server browser

[trail oak]

where like the monster they keep in the basement when guest come over lol segregated from newbies haha

[barren hound]

playing too much bf1 on xbox made me get this shit

[trail oak]

atleast make it the last icon not the first

[patent pumice]

This isnt true. If the only official servers open are full at the time and there is a comm server with anyone in it they will go to the comm server

[old nexus]

depends on what you want the game to be, i wouldnt have anything against fast respawn

last communitynight gun game was hella fun (it had faster movement and instant respawn)

[signal moss]

doesnt change my statement

yes maybe its more fun but it still gives each kill less credit

beside the fast spawning already is the root of many of bbrs problems. making it even faster wont reduce those

[old nexus]

like?

[trail oak]

yeah good for a LTM maybe but all the time is trash. objectives dont matter

[tame elbow]

One player becoming a brood mother, you kill > they spawn > kill > spawn > repeat

[signal moss]

like support and medics being almost useless gadget wise, grenade/rpg/c4 spam

[signal moss]

and this

and it enables >spawn > suicide c4 > respawn

[old nexus]

Give them more effective gadgets, grenade trophy is already hella useful as support.

[tame elbow]

This happened to me on tensa, shooting with the lmg at the people movingg around but since there was a player hiding they kept spawning on him

It was stupid

[signal moss]

resupplying ammo isnt when everyone respawns before they find a box

[old nexus]

push the player?

[tame elbow]

We had no idea he was there

[old nexus]

that is indeed a problem

[signal moss]

medic healing is useless as long as you have such fast respawns

[tame elbow]

I was like "Why so many there?" until they stopped because someone pushed and found the guy prone behind some sandbags

[signal moss]

if dying was actually punished then wasting bandages instead of getting healing by a medic would be punished too

[tame elbow]

This was of course before Oki changed the combat radius thing

[old nexus]

welp this all leads back to the dilemma of what one wants the game to become but I cant say your points are wrong

just dont think that its a large issue

[signal moss]

it is for me

but thats the milsim/arcade bbr issue

[grizzled sparrow]

my bad old cheese…

[cosmic rapids]

[barren hound]

Is not even that

Is the fact tou would be better off respawning than waiting for someone to revive you 9/10

The 1 being when everyone in your squad is dead

[stark oyster]

I just want battlebit to be fun again 😢

to be where it was

[thorny yoke]

I just want slightly slower game

Emphasis on slightly

[barren hound]

I think nerfing squad spawning would achiev that in someway
One ideia i heard is to make it locked but the squad leader

Could buff the squad beacon in someway aswell so it doesnt become to punishing and slow

[cosmic rapids]

So people squad hop or leave

[barren hound]

I dont see how that would make it worse than as is now

Removing like shit squadmates or onlt recon squad in default one

[rigid dove]

(thinks of a possible penalty of the ye old "If you spawn in, you leave (by your own choice) you get a new default loadout")

(No I am not suggesting this, just a funny thought in my head)

[cosmic rapids]

Uninstalls 🔥

[barren hound]

Dont know coding how it works but could you give a penalty for someone that keeps squad hoping for their own choice

[cosmic rapids]

🗿

[barren hound]

Like a 4min cooldowb or something

[cosmic rapids]

Then they leave

Relying on the average squad lead to do anything then die is peak comedy

[cosmic rapids]

Or be in china

[barren hound]

Tbh would you have a better ideia for this

[rigid dove]

hmm

So afew ideas come to mind

[tame elbow]

PZ goated

[barren hound]

Play with some friends with sprinters on

[tame elbow]

same

[rigid dove]

1. a "Sunderer" idea (Think Planetside 2)

2. Support & engineers get access to Respawn beacons (change the squad's to be wave based timer with support's & engineer's meant to be the more stationary & durable ones)

[barren hound]

Stress trough the roof when you know at anytime someone is going to press q by accident

[tame elbow]

I enable sprinters + random uuh what's the name, durability / strength? So one can be as weak as wet paper and the next one can be a tank and a sprinter

[cosmic rapids]

Sunder glhf

[barren hound]

1. I have no ideia what it is

[cosmic rapids]

Wave spawns probably piss people off

[rigid dove]

basic summary ; think a giant bus that can lock down to act as a mobile spawn & resupply area

[barren hound]

We aint masochist

Altough we plan on playing with the last of us mod

[tame elbow]

It's to offset the near zero population the first couple days

[barren hound]

Ohhhhh

[cosmic rapids]

Even more basic summary: look at the current vehicles and guess

[barren hound]

That

[cosmic rapids]

(We ain't getting one)

[rigid dove]

wave spawns for the mobile one, but effectively I figured it would at least help with getting a teamplay idea rolling

[barren hound]

Hasnt someone mentioned to make that vehicle with 10 useless seats to be able to do that

[cosmic rapids]

Glhf getting that

[tame elbow]

Can we also get a better squad leader identification?

Sometimes im the squad lead i have no fkn idea until i look at the squad list (i rarely look at this)

[barren hound]

Like you are able to spawn on squad mates vehicles at any place but not people on your team

[rigid dove]

wouldn't surprise me

[rigid dove]

YES, VERY MUCH YES!

[tame elbow]

Bring back squad points counter too

Unless it's there and im blind

[rigid dove]

for the sundy it is a lock down, allows whole team to spawn on while it is immobile

[barren hound]

Fuck it just make so when you die the games alts f4

[rigid dove]

lol

[tame elbow]

Sometimes waiting for a friendly to revive you is pain

You lay there, looking at them and they all ignore you

[signal moss]

it's a circle. From their point of view it's not worth reviving you since you on average give up before they reach you

[tame elbow]

Im talking about the ones literally crouching next to you

Behind a safe spot

[glad swift]

I think all these changes are pretty welcome ones to be honest. The game needs new players, and gameplay changes are also needed, even if that means making the game more arcade style. Which doesn't really matter because there is going to be a milsim mode anyways. Additionally, the game is already built with mostly arcade elements but with extra steps, so I dont really see the argument that the update is going to move it away from any milsim elements when it already hardly resembles that.

[thorny yoke]

Hold scroll and check right above the building menu now
Squad point counter is still in the game

So yeah, you are infact blind

[tame elbow]

mf how i've not seen it bruh

[thorny yoke]

Idk tunnel vision or some shit

I too was shocked when i saw it for the first time like that

[tame elbow]

Finna load into a game rn

YOU FUCKING KIDDING ME

i never read that shit

[cosmic rapids]

Inb4 build menu just gets deleted

[tawny fern]

Fr!

[tawny fern]

Bro adding changes or things with less then 50 upvotes meanwhile the threads with 100-400+ upvotes being casually ignored or not mentioned in things LMFAO

[little lynx]

QoL changes tend to be easier and less controversial than overhauls or reworks. There's a lot of criticism to be had on BattleBit development, but this is not one of them.

I say this as someone who dumped 200 hours within weeks of release, and then barely touched the game afterwards due to changes I hated.

[main delta]

But he doesn’t add the qol things, otherwise we would be able to spin the character in the menu.

[little lynx]

I would put off the game hoping developers would revert on some of their controversial changes, but alas. . .

[little lynx]

Well, the change that Radio Bunny was referencing specifically was a QoL change.

[main delta]

Yea, but it should be noted that oki doesn’t do the easy stuff too.

[little lynx]

I guess it's just a matter of priorities vs cost.

QoL changes ingame are more impactful than pregame.

[tawny fern]

If cost is the issue, bring back patreon or make another patreon thing to keep the original patreon exclusive

[tame elbow]

Bro body coliision is messed up

Teammate went prone next to me which in turn threw him under me and made my character move and threw off my aim

[main delta]

It’s goofy, sometimes you can almost cs:go boost using your teammate.

[little lynx]

There is more to cost than just money. Patreon backers cannot give time nor energy.

AFAIK, the devs have been constantly working and updating the game since launch--for better or for worse.

[trail oak]

Could just put a cool down timer on team mates. Can only respawn on each team mate once a minute therefore making reviving meaningful.

[patent pumice]

BAD IDEA

[cosmic rapids]

So more squad hopping

[trail oak]

Sweaty cunts will allways find a way to sweat I guess.

[cosmic rapids]

[patent pumice]

You have to be sweaty to want to actually play the game instead of running for the majority of your time alive

VERY FUN!

Very fun way of playing game, this is not why new players quit

[trail oak]

Aggressive yes very fun play style, squad swapping for spawn and even side swapping when losing, while lean spamming is sweaty like behaviour.
Old chum are they sweaty patches I see 🤣🤣

[stark oyster]

but do you think it would work?

[barren hound]

how does wave spawn work

[patent pumice]

The perception you have of how the people you complain about play the game is warped, im sorry to say

[barren hound]

i dont think i have played a game with it in my life

[stark oyster]

if you die theres a time limit, then when the limit is over all those people who died in that certain duration will spawn at the same time

in a "wave"

[patent pumice]

New players quit the game because its boring if you dont know how to play it, and there’s nothing to teach them how to play. Making it harder to respawn will just make it 100x worse

[barren hound]

ah got it

[stark oyster]

the problem is oki fixing problems that aren't a problem

he is fixing somethings

something i appreciate like added mechanics, nicer sound and animation, that vault system

but bleed?

really?

[cosmic rapids]

No

[patent pumice]

Oki fixing things that arent problems in an update that isnt released yet is not why new players are quitting right now.

[stark oyster]

is there even new players?

[patent pumice]

Yes.

[barren hound]

removing combining mags because dying and respawing faster is really strange

[patent pumice]

Oki said that new player retention was down from like 60% at launch to 5% now

[stark oyster]

or are they returning players

[barren hound]

like wouldt be better to fix the latter than to remove something working fine as it is

[patent pumice]

There are both

[stark oyster]

new players won't join because of what they hear from the controversy and issues of the game, I have a whole group of friends interested of playing but the news they keep on getting is well. yk,

returning players are the same thing

[barren hound]

kinda true

[stark oyster]

only hope and wish I have is that the update would just come out in April

[barren hound]

altough returning players can be a mixbag

[patent pumice]

yeah I dont think that has anything to do with player retention

[stark oyster]

that's all I'm asking

[barren hound]

gonna take sometime honestly

since it is going to be added in a beta branch

[patent pumice]

I would be very surprised

but its not impossible

[barren hound]

]depending on how well it goes it can take sometime, if it is well recieved it can help on it

[stark oyster]

they just need to release it asap

[barren hound]

if it goes bad and major changes have to be done it can take a while

[stark oyster]

then they can fix it

[patent pumice]

I would be very surprised if there were a public playtest for this update

[stark oyster]

i preferred little changes

[barren hound]

i think the stuff we had to write to participate will be related to it

[stark oyster]

it would be easier to change

[barren hound]

but public playtest would be something i would like

[stark oyster]

exactly

[barren hound]

it would get the players that stopped playing to comeback

[stark oyster]

not necessarily

but it would help

[barren hound]

definetly

[cosmic rapids]

[barren hound]

if a game i like gets a public playtest yeah im definetly going to check it out

if not follow the news about it

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-gif-6900499993463120297

[stark oyster]

I mean that's what ur role is for HAHA

[barren hound]

so true

[trail oak]

So salty, some of the sweat from ya top lip go in your mouth hahaha.

[patent pumice]

side swapping when losing

[barren hound]

its funny how you can do it so easy but i think i have never done it since i rarely know if my team is losing or winning

my games gets so shit when i try to see the leaderboard

god have mercy on my laptop if i open it on eduardovo or valley

[mint silo]

This is being said by eveyrone since launch and Oki does shit about it, I don't get him

[hasty elm]

Have a star next to your name to indicate you are a squad leader

[mint silo]

Exactly

Battlefield 2 figured this ages ago

[hasty elm]

Wait till you find out thats how it is already in game

[mint silo]

🗿

[hasty elm]

🗿

[mint silo]

https://tenor.com/view/cooper-jinx-bigfootjinx-im-still-amazed-by-it-cat-gif-23555036

[green pelican]

Oki does what Oki wants 🤷‍♂️

[thorn forge]

[stark oyster]

Devs qna where

[trail oak]

just q's no a's

[rigid dove]

most give up, so medics stop caring about reviving since it is wasting their time if you give up while being revived (Kinda wish being revived put a full stop to giving up & such) which than leads to them ignoring you and that leads to more giving up due to less medics caring and you got the feedback loop

[green pelican]

Never, they don't want people to be mean to them

(by disagreeing)

[broken thunder]

Easily solvable with a medic callout option when you die that shows a visual thing to the medics, similar to a ping, and also something so the medics can say they are coming to heal you

[hollow inlet]

(by dogging on them 24/7)

Let's be real, we ain't nice lol

We do it out of love

[green pelican]

It's only out of frustration

[hollow inlet]

Idk about all that

People have always been toxic af towards oki on this server. Not everyone but a good few for sure

I think people (children probably) in general need to learn not to take this shit so seriously. It's a video game made for fun. Just call Oki gay - as in homosexual - and move on without literally cursing his whole existence

That's a whole culture discussion though tbh; we're better than THE FINALS so I'm happy lol

[fast willow]

In defense of the players, I think they have a right to be annoyed when we tell oki “this wont end well” and he charges full speed ahead into what most see as a bad change

I.e. “ttk adjustments, removal of bleed”

[hollow inlet]

I didn't say annoyed, you know what kind of folks I mean

[fast willow]

Ik, but its a build up of that

[stark oyster]

sigh, even I feel ashamed of my own age group

and I already despise myself

[fast willow]

On the extreme end I agree, its not a good look. But I can’t entirely fault players with passion for the game for having too much passion, even if they express it in a bad way.

[hollow inlet]

I've given oki shit, I'm the problem too. Regardless of the amount of frustration, you just look like kind of a complete jackass if you're just DOGGIN' on the devs for making a few changes you don't necessarily agree with for whatever reasons you may have.

I totally agree with a bit of slander though. Oki's defo a monkey's paw dev

[fast willow]

I mean personally I think it’s more of vilaks not cooking too

[hollow inlet]

Like calling him slurs, names, stupid, etc. Just a bit much, regardless of how stupid he may or may not be

[stark oyster]

tbh, I'm just going to go offline from this server for awhile and come back next week. I really don't see any changes here anytime soon

[hollow inlet]

It's all of 'em. We could use a bit more Vilaks slander

[hollow inlet]

You're like 3 months late on that lol

[fast willow]

But yeah, some people take it too far (especially with slirs) and I agree with you it’s probably not a good look

[hollow inlet]

I usually disappear for a few months lol

[stark oyster]

well it's my turn

summon me when they do smth ya

[fast willow]

Come back in a month. Not trying to meme I genuinely think it will be delayed till late may

[stark oyster]

bye

[hollow inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/inugami-korone-snapped-vapourized-vaporized-obliterated-gif-24729500

[fast willow]

Given how we still dont have a playtest for said changes

[hollow inlet]

I think we'll get the update in May as well

Or oki will just shadow drop it Sunday 👀

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1228390928914583572

[stark oyster]

I like how it the update is called THE update. not update

[fast willow]

I don’t think shadow drop would end well, given how it was alleged this would be dropped as a test branch to the community first

[hollow inlet]

I genuinely hope he does that man

Like, it's a small dev team, let your mildly autistic fanbase help, please

[fast willow]

I mean it either goes super well or super poorly, no inbetween

[hollow inlet]

If you just launch it yea, and based on the track record is the latter

[stark oyster]

it's something innit

[fast willow]

Vilaks better be cooking with the frontline additions.. also frontline namak when we have an infy conq version just use that for frontline

[hollow inlet]

Oki apparently has metrics and data

So the test environment would be perfect for gathering that stuff

[stark oyster]

mod support when

[hollow inlet]

Can we get Frontline on the 64 player ctf frugis map?

It's just the subway and area above it lol

Actually a banger ctf map

[fast willow]

Tbh frontline’s the most popular infy mode and im shocked they haven’t ported most maps to it

[hollow inlet]

All the 64 player ctf maps are bangers for some reason

It's the only mode I prefer in 64p

[fast willow]

Tbh yeah infy ctf just slaps. Shame it can’t be picked on 127

[hollow inlet]

Seriously

[tame elbow]

After playing mostly 128 or 256, 64 feels empty

[heady jetty]

that's currently where they sit by like 50m differences, if the update scales them equally this should become even more distinct.

[honest igloo]

64V64 best size

[heady jetty]

it was def a copout due to being able to infinitely place them as support

[heady jetty]

Actual reason for squad spawning being a better squad beacon no matter what devs do

[green pelican]

On one hand yes, on the other hand this is a product I paid for, BBR (thankfully) isn't free to play

What I wanted and paid for was a battlefield style game emphasising squad gameplay with solid gun mechanics in a quirky setting. What I'm getting is slowly animorphing into a Call of Duty cateat special

[patent pumice]

Why are you acting like anyone in cateat likes the direction the game’s going?

[green pelican]

Speedy boys go brr?

[tame elbow]

This so much

[hollow inlet]

I don't think it's morphing into CoD, but I do think they're removing a lot of the flavor

I like bleeding and pain

[tame elbow]

I mean . . . running and zig zagging like a spastic while drop shooting? If that ain't CoD mannerism idk then

[green pelican]

I will wait until release for a full verdict, but I cannot see decreasing recoil as an improvement

Even with one of the worst recoiling guns in BBR (AK15), it wasn't overly difficult to have accurate, sustained fire

[barren hound]

The whole recoil for new players can be fixef by just having weapons with low recoil to be the first they can use

[green pelican]

They have that already, it's the M4

[barren hound]

Or just friendly weapons to people whoe arent good in aiming

[green pelican]

Those already exist in number

[tame elbow]

It's not

[barren hound]

True

[tame elbow]

It'll make smg abusers even worse

[barren hound]

Having one or two weapons that have a niche or need such a high skill ceiling is normal to have

[green pelican]

The Ultimax, my favourite weapon, would be quite trivial with lower recoil

[patent pumice]

How does this update go in that direction at all?

The update explicitly meant to slow the game down

[green pelican]

I can't see any changes that would have this effect

Unless there are movement changes that haven't been specified in detail

[tame elbow]

I'm not saying this update, just the state of the game

[patent pumice]

They're adding inertia and raising ttk

its like the whole point of the update

[tame elbow]

The medic having a speed buff is a mistake

[patent pumice]

I was asking about this update.

[zealous egret]

it's assault 💀

[green pelican]

Can you point out the raising TTK part?

Honest question, I must have missed it

[patent pumice]

The medic does not have a speed buff and none of the people you're talking about play medic.

[patent pumice]

They mention it in all the devcasts if you havent been watching them.

[tame elbow]

ah im not talkingabout the next update

[green pelican]

I mean like, actual changes, not just "we want to lower TTK"

[patent pumice]

Reducing recoil + increasing damage dropoff, giving health buffs to each class through armor

I think that's all they're planning on doing

[green pelican]

Reducing recoil + increasing falloff is an overall neutral or possible increase in TTK

Especially at closer ranges

The armor buffs are...... Interesting

It's an interesting way of going about it

[patent pumice]

It could go either way depending on how they do it, but for players who are already competent and know how to control recoil it's going to be more of a nerf than a buff

[green pelican]

I do think these changes will focus gameplay more towards either long range or CQC, as this is where weapons will be most effective

With the mid-range getting the highest penalty and least benefit

[hollow inlet]

Real question is, when are they going to add blood magic to the game?

When can I inflict curses upon my foes?

[green pelican]

BattleBit: The Masquerade

[hollow inlet]

I'd buy it again

"The recoil for blood meridian is too low, it's braindead"

[tame elbow]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897533975462039582/1231999589049962496/9feIN6G.png?ex=66390007&is=66268b07&hm=7c440132ad83e6b0fe281fcad2bfabcf898686bd7bb3457e7a06a8af081ac05a&

combat elixirs

[hollow inlet]

"Shamans being able use revive dead twice as fast is basically useless as an ability since everyone can revive the dead fast. I think it'd be better to give them a healing totem"

[fast willow]

3 redbulls. Would say ghost but its not shown

[fast willow]

Also 💀 what is this take man

Most of us are here for old styled BF, clan or not. The reason why 1 speedy guy “doing a lot” works is because people lack awareness to the loud as fuck footsteps and seemingly can’t aim in a general direction (or use explosives to stop them)

[green pelican]

no you're wrong sorry sweetie

don't gaslight

[fast willow]

Yeti man, come on we both want the same fate with this game no need to devolve to doomer posting.

We just need to make the new comers more aware of how to play

That way they can effectively help their squad

[mint silo]

Oki deserves execution by firing squad (in Minecraft)

[fast willow]

Power 5 bow

[green pelican]

Newcomers, oldcomers, provide incentives and requirements to work as a squad 🤷‍♂️

[mint silo]

Nah man you're wrong

We just have to work as team because Oki demands it! We don't need such trivialities like incentives

[hollow inlet]

Nah man, you're wrong

[mint silo]

/s

[fast willow]

Oki: we hear you loud and clear! Next update will force SLs to be medics

[mint silo]

DO NOT give him ideas

[fast willow]

But in all seriousness im honestly shocked this game doesn’t have a system where you gain XP for working with your squad/being a good SL, or some in game benefit

[green pelican]

I mean, it's not even that, give different guns roles, give different roles a purpose

Do something about snipers

[mint silo]

I still think we need even harder restrictions on guns

X type of guns can only be used on X class

Give classes more identity

[runic lark]

Reduces choice paralysis, clears up the UI, shakes up the meta, and is easier to balance

Would just be good all around

[fast willow]

Hot take: remove 20x and 40x scopes

[mint silo]

Remove glint or remove trails, that's it

You can't have both

[green pelican]

No I meant the opposite thing

[fast willow]

No practical use for them outside of 2 maps, and would encourage people to “move up” to see better

[runic lark]

Sure you can

Sniping is piss easy you can live with the visuals

[mint silo]

You mean, more nerfs?

That's also true

But people keep crying about it for some reason

[runic lark]

Shitters

[mint silo]

Sniper is not dead and is still being played in masse

[topaz niche]

Nerf sniper

Annoying to fight against

[fast willow]

Only people who think recon is dead were those on zalfi beaches doing nothing anyways

[mint silo]

REAL

[fast willow]

Decent recon players adapted

[green pelican]

sniping is exactly the same problem as anti-vehicle

it's not that they're individually powerful, it's that in a game of 256 there's just so damn many

some are still individually powerfull, looking at you M200

[hollow inlet]

snipers are really a map design issue tbh

[green pelican]

I mean both yes and no

[patent pumice]

I feel like its only like 10 people max playing like that. Most snipers are probably noobs who dont even know how to change their scopes sitting in buildings with no sightlines.

[hollow inlet]

The m200 is also dumb, but it's mostly because there aren't hills/mountain ranges/buildings splitting the map appropriately

TBH I usually don't have any problems with snipers

[fast willow]

Been said by everyone for months now, zalfi and sandy are easy to point at for this

[hollow inlet]

And I really don't care how people are playing

[mint silo]

Oh yeah, I agree

[hollow inlet]

Sometimes I also like to snipe in the back and do nothing, so who am I to complain lol

I think the primary issue is that recon has NO other playstyle

[mint silo]

I only play support majority of the time

[hollow inlet]

give recon all the smgs and some scouting gear, give them a spotting buff like people have recomended

[fast willow]

I see safe zone/red zone snipers all the time tbh, for better or worse

[mint silo]

EXACTLY THIS

Maps are open as hell and have tons of elevation

[hollow inlet]

recon should be both the most mobile class and the least mobile class depending on how you want to use it. Using it as a scouting class or a quick flanking stealthy class

or you know, sitting on a hill

Adding wind would also be a based way to balance sniping

They wouldn't have to lower DPS if they just slowed down the bullet travel speed a little

bullets are practically hitscan up to like 100ish meters

[fast willow]

I use the fal and light armor with my recon. Set it up to be a scout class that can push objectives when needed

[mint silo]

Yeah, we can do that already thanks to the BRs and the recon drone, I still think the BRs should be changed for the carbines tho

[fast willow]

I am prepared for the 💀s

[mint silo]

Having two different play styles is good

[hollow inlet]

recon shouldn't have BRs 😭 . SMGs, silenced weapons, maybe carbines

I do think the fal is funny tho, let's keep that

[mint silo]

Real

[fast willow]

Nah keep all BRs. Scar has some good use too

[hollow inlet]

Not on recon imo

Assault and support (maybe engi) have the BRs; medic, recon, assault, and engi can have the smgs

I'm attached to my speedy medic style 🥲

[fast willow]

Recon benefits more from spotting/scouting than being a speedster tbh

[hollow inlet]

If you're fast you can get into new positions faster and scout more imo

[fast willow]

Personally BRs do that “target finding” part better than smgs imo. If you’re that close with an SMG you’d probably shoot anyways and not even bother marking

[mint silo]

Agreed

Having two different play styles is good

I just think BRs don't fill that role of "fast moving scout"

[hollow inlet]

They've got the DMRs for ranged combat imo

[mint silo]

Change it for the carbines then we talking

[hollow inlet]

If they want to balance up the gun distribution for classes, they either need to hardline which classes have what (why does medic have some guns in a class and not others) or they just need to give up and let every class have basically every gun besides the ones that define that class

The way I envision recon is you're either flanking super hard and using recon tools to get the drop on people in close quarters (fast and close) or you're farther away doing the sameish thing but sniping/dmr ing peeps.

[mint silo]

Also, we need more and better gadgets

Because

[hollow inlet]

agreed

[mint silo]

Again

Class identity

Assault could have an under barrel grenade launcher that only let's you use your flashes or smokes in your throw slot

[hollow inlet]

Recon needs more scouting tools and movement tools (funny RC car? zipline? non-leathal tripwire?), medic needs more support tools (bandage kit?), support needs more support stuff (smoke launcher, trap equipment), assault needs more things to blow shit up with and maybe movement as well, engineer needs more cool tech stuff (rc car but it blows up?), etc

We've been starved for equipment and weapons for a while for sure

Adding the BF4 target detector was goofy

I think we all just want to feel like the game is moving forward. Like I want new vehicles and the current ones to get a massive update, I want new equipment and weapons - not new maps (sorry Vilaskis). I want the game's general gameplay to be somewhat stable and simply upgraded or improved

Instead every update feels like it's reinventing the wheel or going two steps back then going 3 steps forward in a different direction

[barren hound]

In short everyclass should be more unique at their own

[hollow inlet]

Also add vehicles to more gamemodes like PLEASE. Rush is so boring without them on larger maps 😦

[barren hound]

Sometimes they just feel like assault with something extra

Recon and support being more unique at that

[hollow inlet]

I've always thought assault's thing should be they get every gun (besides class specific ones) and lots of explodes and intrusion tools. A real "general fighty guy" class personally

[barren hound]

It does follow that and it does a good job at it

[hollow inlet]

oh, and remove C4 but give every class the melee weapons on a new slot for melee weapons 😎 . Then every class has access to distruction but not a vehicle nuke

I've suggested that so many times 😔

[barren hound]

Problem is basically the other classes that simply dont have that much going for them
Recon can be one that it feels the niche of sniper but being a actual recon can basically be close to worthless
Medic and support dont do their job that often and enginner just feels like a demoman

[old karma]

If medics healed more, supports better supplied ammo and engineers better repair vehicles, then we could have something more wild going on

[barren hound]

Hot take but support fast construct should be locked to enginner

[hollow inlet]

engineer should get armor repair imo

or make it an alt on the medic class - replace the medic bag with it

[old karma]

Recon could be better if it did auto spot when on sights

[hollow inlet]

I mean there's a attachment gadget for that

[old karma]

Yea but no range finder tho

[hollow inlet]

binos 😎

[old karma]

You can auto spot with pistols

[old karma]

They dont have range finder iirc

[barren hound]

Could make it be longer in general

[old karma]

Any class

[hollow inlet]

I believe one of them does?

The base binos I think do? Maybe I'm wrong there. Just look at the objs lol

(I think I'm thinking of zoom levels)

[barren hound]

Like 10 seconds and you get some xp bonus compared to other classes

[old karma]

They are

[old karma]

Tbh, just adding a range finder to advanced binos would be great

[old karma]

But this is very important

They are too slow to do their job on a fast paced gameplay

You can outdamage a good repairing engineer alone with a RPG

A full heal takes about 5 to 10s on a friend

Same for ammo supply

[heady jetty]

hot take but classes will never reach the level of OP they would need where players would be happy to play against them AND feel unique

medic

Support would need to be making castles and assault taking actual cocaine to make them distinct enough

[old karma]

Theres always a way to outplay them, but rn its not even worth it

All classes just play about the same

Except for recon

They just have different weapons, sort of

[heady jetty]

if that

remember when DMRs were unique to recon for a whole 5 minutes

[old karma]

Yea...

[heady jetty]

and people still talk about missing pdws and dmrs on medics

everyone wants everything

as a result classes mean nothing

and if classes are going to mean nothing, let me get LMGs on armor that isn't dogshit

[hollow inlet]

I mean you can take off the heavy armor lol

[old karma]

They people dont even do their class roles, as if it had something appealing to it

Except for recons...

Players barely try to do the role they chosen

Because it is that bad

Laying on the ground for 15s healing a hole squad, thats a death sentence lmao

Supplying ammo, terrible

Repairing vehicles? Just turn it to a bomb vehicle and kamikaze your way in

Assault is prolly the only class that play its role, which is just unga bunga on the other team

[heady jetty]

normal armor is mid and locked behind level 120 for the backpack

which wasn't working until a recent update

and if I'm gonna melt and be armorless for half my life I'd rather just not have armor

[heady jetty]

and that's recent too, used to be medic until bandage change but nothing's really changed

[old karma]

Yea, medic used to be the unga bunga class, now its the assault

[fast willow]

Engi isn’t exclusive to repair, it’s demolition capabilities are pretty strong

Supplying and healing via medkits and heavy ammo kits.. that I agree feels too slow

I can’t even make a case for dropping the medkit cause it still uses the old heal speeds and 35 health per use of it when its on the ground

[old karma]

I know, but its not even worth repairing from my feeling...

[hollow inlet]

Dropping a medkit is great for groups actually

but you only get 2 😦

[old karma]

See?

[hollow inlet]

you can reload and heal at the same time lol

[fast willow]

Ever since repair xp got nerfed there’s 0 motivation to do so

[hollow inlet]

well there's also 0 vehicles anywhere ever

like, what am I gonna do, repair a jeep?

[old karma]

Theres also a gun fight going on

[hollow inlet]

only vehicles worth repairing already have a crew on them TO repair it

[fast willow]

Still pointless cause most will opt for the faster bandage self heal

[hollow inlet]

Which tbf is kind of the point of the repair tool a bit

[hollow inlet]

Oh yea totally, medkits are 100% just for topping people off for the most part now or healing them while they fight.

[old karma]

Bro you gotta a have a whole crew to make it worthy? In BF you needed to have 2 and you could fight for hours

[hollow inlet]

Medkits need a revamp. I say just take away their healing and make them bandage kits or something and let medics heal people with their 20 bandages

and resupply people like a support can

That's assuming it stays the way it is, which it probs will

[fast willow]

BBR does fine with just 1-2, funnily enough

You just hardly notice it cause returning to base for that + ammo just makes more sense

[old karma]

Well, fair enough i guess...

But you gotta admit that staying in fight is way more fun

[fast willow]

It can be, but it requires good teamplay + the ammo to support it

Better to have a ton of reserves and play it safe than it is to get caught in a bad position with low ammo, especially true with long respawn times on tanks/apcs on most maps

And in some cases heli, but lets be real most people just use that for transport and not actual fighting unless it’s an armed littlebird. Larger helis just suck at fighting anything in most cases

[old karma]

APC is a great transport vehicle too

[fast willow]

At the start, sure. Otherwise not really unless your APC guy is in a good position and also happens to be either

1. In your squad
2. Near a friendly capture point

If you wanna go from point A to B otherwise you’re generally better off using a light vehicle. If you could repair whilst in the APC I could see more of a use though

[old karma]

You mostly use the APC to cap or def

Or should...

[fast willow]

More so defend. Capping isn’t worth cause if someone hits the weak point (back of the vehicle) with RPG or 2-3 C4 you’re a goner

Unless you have a team supporting you, but chances are they capped already at that point

[old karma]

It only shows the game that allows fast paced gameplay with slow mechanics tho...

Thats just my feeling, you can blame me for it

[fast willow]

Tbh I think it’s just more of heavy vehicles being better suited as positioning tools to support the team, and not outright being the “stars” of team pushes on offense. Nothing wrong with that imo

[old karma]

Sure. You can see i never said it was wrong

I said it feels terrible

[fast willow]

Fair enough

I mean in an ideal world we’d revert the dumb xp nerfs so people are encouraged to repair again, that would be a start

But oki for some reason cares so much about xp farming/boosting… as if most people aren’t already at P10 or don’t care for it

[old karma]

Bro, having lv200 is just fine for me, if i want xp i do the challenges and get more prestiges

[cosmic rapids]

Xp farmer smh perma ban

[hollow inlet]

https://tenor.com/view/backyard-becky-karen-no-fun-stop-fun-i-see-you-gif-17304806

[tawny fern]

Thank god oki slander is getting better 😄

[cosmic rapids]

Update mid april

[plain lava]

The APC ironically works okay as they're meant to be used irl, which is fire support while your infantry advances to the objective

I play a lot more defensively with an APC than I do a tank and it's gotten me some pretty solid 50+ streaks

Still, they're squishier than tanks for a reason

A lot of situations I'd have made it out of in a tank I tend to die in an APC, which is frankly fine

It does need a bit more flexibility and to actually be useful for transporting troops, so firing port weapons for the passengers could turn it into a sort of battle taxi

Also 2-4 ATGMs for defending against tanks would be neat

[cosmic rapids]

It's a lav not a bradley

Inb4 lav-at gets mentioned

[thorny yoke]

If he actually gave a shit about exp farming he wouldve made the grind harder instead of lowering exp gains from actually helping your team

No wonder medics, supports and the whatnot dont help you when killing is far more valuable than helping

[plain lava]

I know that

But for the sake of game balance I think ATGMs would be nice

If we wanted to be technical, the T-90 on the Russian team should be able to get barrel launched ATGMs that would one-shot the Abrams while the Abrams gets nothing but its main gun

But I'm fine with anachronisms like this for the sake of balance

[barren hound]

I would say lack or communication aswell helps that

It cam be hard to know who actually wants your ammo or help healing
This goes to reviving aswell

Medics can ping a dead player and it qill show you are coming to help them

But the guy downed cant call for help
Specially how if you arent a medic it can be difficult to notice a downed teammate

Like hell man playing bfv as a medic was more fun than battlebit medic gameplay

[old karma]

This, this is my motto for leveling up

Even the challenges are always more towards having kills

[barren hound]

The last week challenge had a 50 revive and heal 1k health

[old karma]

So if we should have more teamplay on a 127v127 game, then why not rework the teamplay aspect? Since half of the gameplay should be supporting your team

[barren hound]

The other 4 were kill basically

[old karma]

See?

[old karma]

And those challenges were a pain to do. Reviving on the bridge of wakistan is a no no. More revives but bombs everywhere.

Plus healing

It reminded me how awful is to be a medic

[barren hound]

Reviving atleast has something going for
Found ut more fun than bfv revive
Healing bbr is shit

Camt we just be able to drop the med bag and it heals everyone around it

Healing someone directly is faster but just for a single person
Trowing it on the ground is slower but heals alot more people

[thorny yoke]

If they added a basic command that highlights a player who wants ammo/ revives/ health it would be so much better

Like someone requests ammo/ if you are nearby as support you will see who and where said person is so you can resupply them

[barren hound]

Yup
Altough screaming at the top of your lungs for ammo doesnt work sometimes

[thorny yoke]

Would also be nice if you could ping ammo/ health boxes on the ground

To let people know you deployed them in the first place

[grizzled sparrow]

the grind is already artificially bad enough

[barren hound]

Doing challenges makes it alot faster tbh

Problem is that there is almost nothing worth to do prestige

[thorny yoke]

Besides weapon drip

They should be adding more cool stuff next update in prestiges

[barren hound]

Specially how if your favorite weapon or one that is part of a challenge is unreachable

[thorny yoke]

They p much confirmed gopnik outfit and top gun style jacket next in 3rd and 5th prestige

[barren hound]

Yup

Damn if cosmetics could be added more instead of having to wait months for a big update

[thorny yoke]

Didnt they also say that its gonna be more level based next update

[thorny yoke]

Tbh more content in prestiges

[barren hound]

Atleast that is a true

[real wedge]

lol what? I quit the game for ~3 months and the devs ruin it further? lolmao

better play it before the update

[grizzled sparrow]

tbf they didn’t ruin anything since there were no updates in that time

but the Planned changes will change the whole game

[real wedge]

they didn't ruin anything yet but very soon they will
I'm still wondering why

[fast willow]

Iirc oki’s idea during the devcast was basically

“We hardly have players as is and struggle to keep new ones, might as well try something and hope it works”

Which… is kinda what he’s been doing this whole time: throwing stuff at the wall and when it doesn’t stick, shift blame onto the feedback team

Example: I like my ultimax and can control the recoil just fine. With the new update it seems like im basically being punished for using it like I was beforehand, getting myself into a position and taking out enemies at a distance

[real wedge]

he hasn't removed flanking yet lol

maybe people are leaving because the game is constantly changing and it doesn't have an identity

so they don't know what it's going to be like in a few months

[fast willow]

We’ve been saying this for months, yet people somehow still fail to realize the pull to this game was goofy times in a unity game akin to bf3/4’s golden days in terms of feel

Nah, bbr must become HLL/arma. Surely this will save the game and “slow paced team” gameplay what most people came to battle bit for

for the record I think teamwork/squad play is important but it shouldn’t be so overwhelming that it frustrates players with shit squads

[real wedge]

“slow paced team” gameplay doesn't even happen in arma unless you've got a group of people

[real wedge]

yeah, the game took off because it was "battlefield roblox with 256 players"
not because people were looking for tactical gameplay in a block game

can't wait to hear complaining about how 60k players were lost because of whatever it will be this time like back in january

[fast willow]

Steam comments and reviews (ik lol) reflect that too

[real wedge]

and it is achieved through roles
not like there's teamwork in any game on european servers due to too many languages

back in december the game was in a good state except for some weapon balance (which has since been handled not greatly) and "lack" of content ie new guns
around the inertia thread ideas were thrown around which would've made the game worse
it would appear that some of those and some even worse ones are going to be implemented in the game now
it is a shame

[barren hound]

it is something they said on steam description of the game that you have to use teamwork to achieve victory and its basically built on it

did i expect it to be on that level? not with a squad or something close to a clan when i bought it, but as in now teamwork is basically something that doesnt exist at all, before it wasnt that much but it wasnt that shallow as is now

[turbid nebula]

People think that if you just force people into squads and give them voice chat, it'll organically result in teamwork

[barren hound]

and basically just going for kills and moving to the next objective is that most rewarding thing in this game

[barren hound]

it definetly wont

[plain lava]

When it does it's great, but there's a significant number of people who don't care or get annoyed when you actually try to coordinate

[real wedge]

almost like to win a match you need to cap objs and to cap them you need to kill people and not "teamwork" whatever that means

[real wedge]

almost as if there isn't an incentive it won't happen

[plain lava]

I'd say maybe 1/20 rounds end up with a squad who talks back and actually tries to get things done as a group

[barren hound]

it is jsut everything around it that should influence teamwork in some capacity, same way for defending objectives and making playing defensive actually be worth doing for example making maps actually influence defense positions(namak) or making the buildables actually be able to e used inside objectives(removed)

[barren hound]

for me is 0.5

i did got into a squad that actually communicated and we coulld basically hold point c against 2 squads

liked the leader, chill guy

[grizzled sparrow]

all depends
most larpers also stick to discord or non bbr comms

[plain lava]

Idk why you would larp on BBR

It's really not geared for that at all

[barren hound]

people who do this on another comm site should be killed by a firing squad

[grizzled sparrow]

people do hyper tactical role play

very wholesome

[plain lava]

Basic comms work well enough and give you a significant advantage over 99% of the playerbase if you know how to move well

[grizzled sparrow]

until they do it in discord and people complain no one talks anymore

[barren hound]

its more that you can relie on your teammate alot more

''hey retreat so we can respawn on you'' or saying where the last guy is

[real wedge]

the steam page is not relevant to what happens in the game

[grizzled sparrow]

oki forcing stuff on the meta instead of letting it grow.. forcing certain playstyles..

[native dragon]

brother the only communication is death comms and proximity (which are two of the best features in this game)

[native dragon]

thats whats killing the game

[grizzled sparrow]

there are squadcomms and squadleader comms but tbf no one knows they exist

[native dragon]

i like using squadleader comms to blow raspberries and make popping sounds sometimes

[grizzled sparrow]

hahahaha

[signal moss]

bec they are buggy af rn

[real wedge]

is that your selfie?

I'd ask you something but I've been warned for that before

[topaz niche]

Might wanna delete that

[fast willow]

“Shut up man I trying to snipe!”

“gamer word!”

[patent pumice]

@amber root you should do something about this he's posting nsfw

look 12 seconds in

[fast willow]

<@&1124297323237884005> ^ scat content in that vid, around that time frame

[patent pumice]

People say this as an argument for lack of teamwork being the reason players left. But that doesnt make sense when you consider that people stuck around for months after the game's launch

[fast willow]

Thx mods

[real wedge]

the five players that bought the game for teamwork after reading about it on the steam page will not be missed
and people stuck around because the game was fun and appealing at the start as a battlefield roblox not because it didn't follow the steam page description to a T

[patent pumice]

That exactly what you try to tell them, but they are stupid people

so they dont really grasp the concept

[real wedge]

battlebit seems to attract a lot of those for some reason

[real wedge]

neither does the dev for some reason

[barren hound]

it definetly isnt but my point is how before was one thing and now we are basically seeing a game that has changed so much and still has no ideia what they want and keeps doing so much radical changes for almost no good reason

[topaz niche]

@elder furnace

[real wedge]

oki's ping ponging between "arcade" (good) bbr and "slow" (bad) bbr
by wanting to do both he does niether and alienates both sides