Oki, please do not make the game arcadey to this extent.

[thorny yoke]

A lot of changes are coming next update. While some changes are debatable a bit, I was personally not overly bothered by most until now. It has become pretty clear today that the direction this game will take is not a good one, especially after the latest devcast.

• Certain movement changes
• Complete removal of bleed
• "Reduction of visual recoil" that actually turned out to be just heavily reducing actual recoil on every gun (instead of just making it, you know, not obnoxious visually). Edit: as it was clarified to me, the recoil is reduced only while ADSing by 20%. Honestly, still not good that its a thing.
• Locking new players into support class (for some reason)
• Adding healthbars while damaging enemies (and so on)
  Every change listed here only exist to please new and very casual/arcadey players, babying players to an extent where BBR will become nothing more than Call of Duty's ground war gamemode, killing the game's identity completely. This is not what people want Oki. This is not what me nor others paid for to play in the forseable future.
  I understand that you want more players to play this and for them to play for longer, but the desidions you making are NOT helping it.
  You could have added things like a tutorial, tips, descriptions and other things to ease the player into the game that aren't actively changing the game's identity. You could have listened to the plenthora of good suggestions about QOL changes, new features, rebalances and reworks that could have been done with much less effort than doing a complete 180° on the game's genre and leaving a lot of those very suggestions to rot.
  I hope that the changes I have mentioned are to be reverted completely or at least delayed until they can be properly looked at again. Otherwise, this game will never recover and keep bleeding players.
  So please, actually listen to the damn community, instead of drastically changing the game whenever it does not work out well for you.

[topaz niche]

markiplier never stop spitting facts

[glossy inlet]

Bleeding is just an annoying mechanic. It must be very fun and hardcore to bandage yourself every time (no)

[thorny yoke]

Damn if only somebody suggested for it to be reworked

[glossy inlet]

Perhaps the bleeding would have been felt better in a different form. It's annoying at the moment

[pearl dragon]

increased ttk, more dmg falloff, are they still removing friendly footsteps?, removal of free look (why?) etc.

[thorny yoke]

That i agree with

It just needs a rework

[inland plaza]

I wish they would of saved this dev-cast, they're removing free-look?

[thorny yoke]

Said it a while back

[pearl dragon]

It was mentioned in a previous one.

[thorny yoke]

I can justify that in a way, cause they are supposedly reworking how the player camera works

Still sad that it has to go

[glossy inlet]

Does this mean that there will be meta-medics again? Or do the bandages remain and just remove the bleeding mechanics?

[inland plaza]

The bandages are to remain and just be used as a healing mechanic; but without bleeding medics will be able to just survive by just self healing if bleeding is removed and the box isn't changed in any way.

[grizzled sparrow]

i liked this post

[glossy inlet]

Cringe

It turns out that it will no longer be possible to heal in the cockpit.

[inland plaza]

If the box changes to a bandage resupply like the way the supports ammo box though this might not be the case, they would have to self heal by bandaging.

[grizzled sparrow]

@patent pumice

[patent pumice]

what

[torpid lake]

the magazines are a key part of battlebit if it was just replaced by a number then it would lose its charm

[pearl dragon]

It's one of my favorite mechanics.

[patent pumice]

You say that, but what if I were able to delude myself into thinking it drives away new players???

[patent pumice]

WHAT

[thorny yoke]

Devious ping

[steep tide]

No way blanp liked this post

I like too

[thorny yoke]

No way yall like it

[stark oyster]

Too bad Oki's not going to FUCKING READ IT.

I have finally become a battlebit doomer.

[thorny yoke]

We should just ping him

[patent pumice]

Hes not not reading it because he doesnt see it

Hes actually probably reading it, just doesnt care / find the argument compelling

[stark oyster]

Photocopy every good suggestion and fax them to his house until he complies.

[stark oyster]

This is much worse.

[trail oak]

Agreed! I think new players aren't explained any of these mechanics in games and therefore don't know how it work. Making new players run thru the time trail a couple of time would help alot to get a feel for the game.

[main delta]

Hey Oki, when we gonna get the stuff that was advertised as part of the supporter pack like the beretta 93r, or was that just a fucking lie.

Also is frag ever going to be useful.

This game is gonna be a cod zoomer shooter with just a bigger lobby at this rate.

Metas need to stop being worried about as much as they are. Every game gets its metas, fuck even stardew valley, a farming sim has its metas

Yes they need to be reduced in some cases, but a meta will always exist.

Also does this game have recoil patterns at all, cus they would be a better change than this massive reduction in recoil.

Recoil pattern is almost always a better experience than rng spread.

[patent pumice]

We have very little rng spread, it's pretty much unnoticeable

Horizontal recoil is random though

[main delta]

Should be a pattern imo instead of this massive reduction

Honestly these updates are further killing any desire to play this game, it’s actually making me want to buy bf 1 for pc and go play that again.

[patent pumice]

The next update will probably make it feel like a completely different game. So if you like how bbr was or how it currently is it's unlikely this new game is gonna be as fun. Whether this new direction is reversed or not after this update will be completely determined by new player retention.

[main delta]

I’ll probably try out the new update, but if it’s bad gonna drop, or only play the rs clan server.

[patent pumice]

Oh yeah, hopefully community servers can revert the dumb changes that are gonna happen

[main delta]

Honestly don’t care either way on the bleed thing
I felt movement needed to be slowed
the recoil reduction feels stupid
healthbars is fucking stupid
don’t understand the need to make everyone play support even as someone who can top a lobby with it every once and a while
The whole armor is additional health thing feels likes it’s going to be worthless, rate of fire will now determine fights more than gun damage.

The whole thing that massively boosted this game at launch was that all the YouTubers were describing it like it was lowpoly battlefield, which it was pretty close to then, that was the hype, which this game has gone away from. Although I was playing this during the playtests.

[thorny yoke]

It is pretty baffling looking at how oki decides to try and solve the problems BBR has, especially regarding new players

I cannot comprehend how making massive gameplay changes is better for the game or even the devs themselves in terms of how much needs to be done

No way coding in a tutorial or basic tips and descriptions is harder than coding the game to be entirely different just so new players can have an easier time

[bitter wharf]

my peeve on the bleed is the fact that it can proc quite often with the right condition. and bandaging should at least give a some amount of health back while recovering from bleed and also a brief moment of resistance until bleed can be proc again

tac sprint is going to make low armor assault class players more annoying as they will quite literally be TF2 scout

[thorny yoke]

This
Personally id like if the treshhold is lowered to 25 health instead of 40
With short timer that prevents you from bleeding again after you get bandaged

[plain lava]

Bleeding just needs to be less frequent, not entirely removed

It is annoying when you use up 3-4 bandages immediately because of a bad spawn or a sniper is constantly potshotting your spawn point, but I can't really say bleeding as a mechanic has ever been an issue even when I was a new player

[barren hound]

Tbh everyone is healing so much faster that i think meta medics wont even be a thing in the beta branch

If the beta doesnt apply our rank and shit i think it will be a support meta

Outside of that it will basically be almosr the same outside of the inflated support players bc of the health changes and the scorpion with i heard alot of people are talking about the recoil

[old karma]

Tbh, niche player base doesnt give as much money as a wider player base, if thats what he is aiming for

[elder furnace]

I support the post but meh, I already moved to the Squad community, since at the end of the day Oki has already shown that this game wants it to be just another Run and Gun, it is the only Combined Arms that I have seen that has so many nerfs their vehicles and favors the infantry whenever they can, they had months to polish the game mechanics and they still haven't done it because they are worried about putting skins, whatever, of course it's not bad if you want to do that with your game, the bad thing is who scam first the misilm players and then the Battlefield players, if for your product to be purchased you have to scam people with something that is not, then it speaks volumes about both your product and you

[old karma]

Tbf with you, the game is published as a shooter game with 254 players and lots of chaos, and so far it gives many options on where it will to go. Calling it a scam doesnt seem correct to my hearing.

[barren hound]

the main problem for me is how balancing is being made in this game

is just one guy doing this for alot of mechanics and weapons in this game and at some point it becomes too much

if he wanted to hire someone or a small team to keep changing stuff and not locking alot of things to big updates this game would have a good chance at being way better than now

[elder furnace]

I don't want to argue so I'll only say it once, first it was sold as a misilm, then as a Battlefield mixed with Squad, and it's neither one nor the other, and now if you don't believe me, well, here's Youtube to see why I say this

[barren hound]

wasnt it a milsim way before it sold that many copies

then they changed it to a more casual game with some milsim mechanics mix in bc it didnt sold that much or something alon those lines

and now we have no ideia what it is anymore

[old karma]

They told they tried the milsim way in alpha stages and it wasnt good

[old karma]

Its just a shooter with lots of people

Balance issues and bugs aside

It is as simple as that

[barren hound]

thats prob correct lmao

tbh if you had the freedom of modding

[old karma]

And it is being sold as just a shooter

[barren hound]

it could be that and then the community change stuff to be more milsim or arcade

[old karma]

With 254 player capacity per lobby

And vehicles

[barren hound]

too bad it is just fast respawn glorified TDM

[old karma]

It promises nothing to you but just combat

[barren hound]

it did said teamplay would be something more present in the game though

[old karma]

I dont get why people find scams in it nowadays, regardless of what it was before

[barren hound]

it is quite rare nowdays sadly

the scam argument i do think it is bs too

[deft oracle]

To bleeding, i always thought it be weird to have it on armor types other than heavy armor

[old karma]

Teamplay is a players problem tbh

Gameplay is there, free to be used as people wish

Im not even trying to defend anyone

[barren hound]

debatable since the game rarely does influence it with how everyone can do alot of things alone and there isnt that much reward to being a teamplayer, medics arent that useful and refilling ammo as support rarely comes into play since everyone would rather kill themselfs

honestly both sides problem is a good one aswel

[thorny yoke]

I do find it weird that this is the second time they are basically changing the core gameplay

I mean look the first time sure i can understand

But by early access shouldnt a games core be intact?

[barren hound]

atleast is a beta branch

[thorny yoke]

True

[barren hound]

thank god honestly, since if something gets so fucking bad we can just leave and go to the base game

[old karma]

I can agree that medics and supports arent that useful, when you can heal almost as fast and still be in movement

And recharge ammo as an Assault class player

You just need it a couple of times on some gameplays

If medics and supports did their thing faster, they would be way more attractive

As a support role for a squad or a whole team

Rather than be unlimited selfhealing or a walking tank

Their supportive abilities need to match the game's pace

[plain lava]

Beta branch at least means Oki isn't blindly confident in the idea enough to just outright force it yet

[grizzled sparrow]

remember the green filter for max brightness update?

[plain lava]

What a complete disaster

[atomic swift]

REREMASTERED

[thorny yoke]

Call of Battlebit: Remastered Warfare (2024)

[grizzled sparrow]

remangoed

[twilit lava]

Me: gets shot
Also me: hole magically seals up on its own
Dude I might as well be invisible 😂

If the point of the game was to only send bullets flying and no other challenges to the game what’s the point

I know for a fact that players would disappear if changes like these take place

[glossy inlet]

It's not that the bleeding mechanics are bad. It's poorly implemented in this particular game. Perhaps it could have been done better. If I choose between deletion and rework, I choose rework. If the choice is between keeping it and deleting it, I choose deleting it.

[kind spire]

bleed has not effected anybody since bandaging was sped up. still got 20 seconds before you bleed out, and the speed means its easy to fix anyway. if you think that's a problem, you just suck.

[turbid nebula]

Milsim mode will deliver us to the promised land!

[thorny yoke]

A lot of things just need a rework in bbr in general, bleed included

[green pelican]

Locking new players to Support is peak braindead

[topaz niche]

20 seconds isn’t standard lol there’s some variance

[thorny yoke]

Apparenly it depends on how much health you have or something

Basically every 10 seconds you lose 10 health

[pale swan]

A visual indicator of how much time you've before bleedout would be neat, instead of simply removing the whole mechanic.
Right now... It's just confusing, for no reason?

[glossy inlet]

ok I suck. But that's not the point. The fact is that the only purpose for which the bleeding mechanic exists at the moment is to force you to press the bandage button once every certain period of time. Is this called deep hardcore gameplay?

[kind spire]

it doesn't have to be a complex system you moron to be better than the alternatives.

[old karma]

So rn is it 1hp per sec or it drops 10hp every 10s?

[thorny yoke]

10 hp every 10 seconds

[old karma]

Thats good if you are 1hp after a shot

[plain lava]

I can probably count the bleed kills I've gotten in two years of playing on both hands at most

[glossy inlet]

How "polite" you are. I didn’t say a word that it should be complex, I just said that it’s bad at the moment

[plain lava]

I'm gonna be honest but I still think the idea of slowing player speed when bleeding like they're experiencing blood loss is still a good means of keeping it relevant

Although that would probably result in supports never making it across open ground ever again

[topaz niche]

Remove bleeding add individual limb injuries instead

[thorny yoke]

Boutta kneecap mfs with my rsh 12

[plain lava]

We really don't need a limb system in this game I beg of you

As many complaints as we have about the game, I don't think it's actually too far off from being where it needs to be at a core gameplay level

[topaz niche]

too bad

[plain lava]

Oki will make a limb system that nobody asked for while simultaneously making the game as sterile and casual as possible when it comes to gunplay

[glossy inlet]

And I do not pretend to be objective truth. If you think otherwise, ok, that's your business. No need to throw around words like a child

[steep tide]

the community does not want to casualize the game but asks for a milsim mod

[glossy inlet]

If I understand correctly, the bleeding remains for the future Milsim mod. Rework is needed in any case, it seems to me

[grizzled sparrow]

yes it activates at 40 and bleeds 10 every 10 seconds

[grizzled sparrow]

wait until you see the current armor system

right now you bypass armor completely by aiming at huge limbs

and bleed serves as nothing but a ten second dive countdown

[plain lava]

To be fair I think bleed is undersold as a mechanic for forcing decision making in a fight, but it should really be more urgent and not less to get the desired result

Ofc it should be less common in the first place because I'm tired of using three bandages immediately off spawn

[patent pumice]

Bleed doesnt force decision making, it forces you to stop fighting for a little while and heal.

I guess you could choose to ignore it and just die but thats not a very interesting decision to make

[hollow inlet]

Man, a lot of people mix casualization and fun together

A game can be goofy, wacky, stupid, etc and still be very competitive I think personally. A game can also be very serious, realistic, graphically amazing, yet be deep as a puddle.

[plain lava]

You can have a very casual but very boring game

[main delta]

If y’all want to get technical with saying things are scams, then the supporter pack is an actual scam, you do not get everything that was advertised in it.

[hollow inlet]

We just need the game to be fun man

and right now, you can argue it's aight

[plain lava]

Tell me about it

[hollow inlet]

so I propose adding boxes that randomly can drop skins that you can sell on third party markets for money

for no ulterior motive

[plain lava]

I'd literally rather have cosmetic micro transactions than whatever this current update plan is

[hollow inlet]

plz no 😦

I don't wanna spend money

[plain lava]

I'm being facetious, but I feel like I've given Oki more money than deserved if he's going to undo the basic premise of the game I financially supported him on

He's quite literally given all of the patreon backers the middle finger with this

[elder furnace]

The funny thing about all this is that we are arguing over a lost battle, you just have to look at the current Gameplay, any run and gun, the game is already very casual haha

[elder furnace]

Well, first I promote as Misilm, then as Battlefield and what we have now is a Phantom Forces 2, those who believe that this is not a scam at this point must be either very blind or very dev lovers

"it's just that there are only 3 devs" and they have had months to look for more programmers for example and they haven't done it because... I don't know

[old karma]

Where it is promoted as a milsim?

[plain lava]

"just three devs" shouldn't be gutting and remaking the core gameplay loop every time they lose players from not fixing the game they already have

[elder furnace]

In its first years of life, promoted as Misilm, then they changed it to an arcade game but promising misilm mode, 6 years have passed and there is still no misilm mode

[elder furnace]

Exactly

[patent pumice]

game hasnt even been out for a year

[plain lava]

Oki has no vision or idea for what the game should be, even when there's a working product that just needs some basic fixes right in front of him

Betrays a lack of confidence in what made the game popular to start with

[elder furnace]

Exactly haha

[elder furnace]

Sell it as a Battlefield basically, but it's already very far from that

[plain lava]

I like that it has milsim-lite features to make it more engaging, but it seems like Oki wants to strip the game of the few things it has left to set it apart from COD and BF2042

[pearl jacinth]

We've discussed this once before, but I still like the bleed removal.

[old karma]

I asked where not when

Well, fine. Call it a scam as you wish

For me all i saw is on their steam page, where they sell the game and promote it as they wish

[thorny yoke]

Its either that or hes doing in the most literal sense everything he can in his power to make this game succeed

[thorny yoke]

They promoted that a very long time ago, back when it was a full on milsim
Afaik the milsim idea is still happening, albeit i really came here for what it was advertised as when i first came here, the same thing that is now doing down the drain mostly

[elder furnace]

Could it be with the videos that both content creators and Oki himself released during the time it was Misilm, even asking people who was Patreon at that time? Please don't defend the indefensible as it already seems stupid.

[elder furnace]

But in the end it loses the main idea (or the main idea for the second time) of what this game should be following trends such as adding a "tactical sprint" when we have a vehicle and the characters are already fast by default, but well that's Oki's thing, I'm still in Squad

[old karma]

Cool, they wanted to go one way then the game didnt sell the idea quite well as it seems. After that, they went for another direction which it was good for the game and resulted for 100k active players for a period of time. Now playerbase is on a great decrease for numerous reasons. But why is it scam tho? It was a milsim like you said and after it didn't go well they changed the direction they first wanted and it was a success, for a short while. I'm not trying to defend, if that's how it sounded. I want to understand the source of all that hate lmao. No fight and no hard feelings okay?

Try to stay calm, nobody is obliged to know everything right?

[old karma]

I came here because it was advertised as a 254 player shooter game with lots of chaos. Then I'm in the wrong and people call me stupid because of that?

People in internet are unbelievable these days

[thorny yoke]

I too came for that very reason
Just clarifying how it was back then

Personally, i feel like bbr works best as a battlefield-like game, and i came for that
Now that it the core gameplay is being changed again, it raises some big concerns regarding the developers
Since this is the second time they are doing it

And especially after they have accumulated a bigger playerbase than before

[old karma]

If it brings positive impact, I'm down for it

[tame elbow]

I came here for the BF-like experience now well . . .

[main delta]

I joined this game because it had that battlefield 1 energy and destruction.

I also really liked the voxel gamemode, too bad that got basically removed.

[old karma]

According to early access rules, they "should" be able to do that right? As some cc told, games in ea status can change none to a lot

[thorny yoke]

Depends

Like it is the devs choice

But bbr is in a somewhat later stages of develepoment, at which point usually the foundation is set

[muted vine]

"please do not casualise the game this much"

[thorny yoke]

Real

[old karma]

I'm hoping the main foundation we are talking is the same as they are setting to

[topaz niche]

caught reaction farming in suggestions, punished to a lifetime of larry's chamber

[old karma]

[elder furnace]

For my part, I also came for that "Battlefield" experience that they promoted, I played about 200 hours, I was fascinated by the game at the time, but little by little it was shown that it was not like Battlefield, it was more of a run and gun, which at its time At the time I didn't care much, believing that the devs would take charge and make the corresponding changes, so the days, weeks, months passed and the game remains the same or worse, a game that has little or no teamwork, where what What matters is only the kills, where the community and several people complained and were not heard, but of course, the devs are focused on... adding skins, as if that would help fix a broken game, so currently, since They hardly listen to the community, or you leave like the vast majority of players who were looking for a Battlefield-like did or you stay throwing shit at the game, I chose the second lol

And as they mentioned above, apparently if something doesn't work for them, they decide to change the entire core of the game instead of balancing or fixing it.

[old karma]

My experience on BF4 is people doing run and gun mostly lmao

Honestly the game didnt have any updates since a long time for now. No changes also hurts the long run experience

[elder furnace]

Battlefield is a saga of games, not just Battlefield 4, if you look at the rest they are not like that

[old karma]

Sure, BF hardline

Bf1 and bf5 are "Fine"

BF3 is peak art

Didnt play the others

[elder furnace]

The saga in general, except for BF4, has mostly tried to demonstrate team play and play in different ways depending on the role you play, all this while staying in the arcade with realistic touches, that is a Battlefield

On the other hand, Battlebit... wants to look and promote itself as a Battlefield-like, but when you play it or watch videos about the game it is something else.

[old karma]

Yea, it is just people trying to do high kda

Without messing with the right attributes of each role, basically everyone will be trying to do high kda

[signal moss]

I mean there is nothing else to do

[old karma]

I came here to shoot, because healing others with medic is mediocre, supplying ammo is a joke, fixing vehicles is a disaster and spotting with a sniper is ignored

I might be wrong, but thats just my experience

[signal moss]

that's kinda spot on

[thorny yoke]

Yep

Every class is just kinda like assault with gimmick

[elder furnace]

Yep

[old karma]

Now we have a foundation to work on

Unbelievable!

[elder furnace]

Yes, now we have to make the devs listen to us, it's not like it's been tried thousands of times before and it didn't work (sarcasm)

[barren hound]

Honestly kinda dont mind that
Kinda lke how with any class you can be a little of everything if you want or go full specialization

Combat medic
A support that equips lsws with no bipod and move around more
Sniper that goes to the frontline and etc

Problem is that the specialization is shit for most of them

[thorny yoke]

I mean it can work dont get me wrong
But you dont really get to customise your class a lot

[thorny yoke]

Yeah

[barren hound]

Specially being a actual support medic or support that builds

[thorny yoke]

If we got more stuff for them and limit like 2 of things here and there it would be much better

[barren hound]

So you are just assault most of the time removing most sniper players

They actually play different most of the time that it got nerfed like 3 times already

[barren hound]

True

Like when you are playing support and you build barricades, barbed wire and put some grenade trophys and the enemy actually attacks that area and your teammates are defending with you

It does make you feel better about yourself and contributes the team alot

It only happens on namak though

Other maps is you against 2 flanking squads

And then see them using those things against you 2minutes later

[thorny yoke]

Honestly support namak is such a vibe no lie

[patent pumice]

Support building to defend is extremely underrated, especially in frontline

Most people have to be explicitly told that they can place barbed wire

And then a lot of the time its hard to because no squad points

But instead of improving the building system we get sounds

And higher ttk

[thorny yoke]

To be fair sounds are a welcome change

[patent pumice]

Not when it takes 5 months of no other changes

Sounds should not have been the priority at this point at all, especially if you only care about new player retention

[elder furnace]

Wait a minute now that I remember, I was the one who commented on these types of things, what happened while I was gone? xd

[main delta]

The rapid fire sniper bug still exists lmao

[grizzled sparrow]

because during playtests people didnt like the milsim

[tame elbow]

Can we have a squad point counter back please?

I really dislike not being able to see how many i've unless it's there and im blind

[thorny yoke]

There is actually

Above the uhh circle

Suprisingly easy to miss

Like the one when you open to build

[barren hound]

yup

also some reason when you reach the limit it doesnt remove the oldest building

fuck wouldnt minjd if everyone had a limit to build

while support with some type of backpack that has a shovel and pickaxe with it(for visual only) makes you be ablle to build more

like 30 for each building

[patent pumice]

Just remove the limit

Its horribly designed anyways, I dont even think there's any way for you to know when youre past the limit right now

[barren hound]

it is

you only know after trying the third time and it doesnt build nothing

not even a you reached the limit message

[patent pumice]

You cant have the structure be a filo because it might end up having weird side effects with previous things you built

or maybe someone wants to keep a fort they built and they dont know about the limit

[barren hound]

i woulld prefer if they removed the limit but if each person had its own limit to build i would be ok with it, and it removes the oldest building when you reachj the limit

not needing points or anything

so an assault would have like 20 max for each deployable, support and engie having 40, sniper and medic having 10

[patent pumice]

I dont think people build enough to justify a limit at all

Just make it based on a resource that makes sense and then add a limit if it gets to be too much at some point

[barren hound]

yeah that sounds better

honestly if this happens i can see stuff like trench warfares

having a barrie behind a short wall cube can make you be the perfect position to use bipod on a high ground

also if you play on water maps you can make some forts on top of the water depending where and basically be untouchable by anyone that isnt support

since they cant reach the bottom to build the stuff

large hesco wall and a barrier on top to be able to shoot in some maps

[onyx ore]

they're removing free look?

[patent pumice]

I forgott about that

[pearl dragon]

I believe so.

[onyx ore]

noooo

whyyy

[pearl dragon]

I don't actually know. Someone here mentioned it's due to changes of the player camera system. So it might be coming back but who knows.

[onyx ore]

also what about the movement changes?

[tawny fern]

No fucking way, they are removing bleeding?!??! Oh screw this and fucking healthbars too? I hate this game so much for that now. Thank goodness that you are here to give this insight to the community.

The complete stupidity of this is wild. The devs no longer listen to the community althought they "say" they do and it is just sickening.

[onyx ore]

it is what it is

still, i dont like the higher TTK

it's gonna make pistols worse

[tawny fern]

LMFAO

[stark oyster]

All current breakpoints going to be thrown out the window. Spreadsheet makers on suicide watch.

[grizzled sparrow]

@hasty elm thank god you're leaving

[hasty elm]

All the time i spent on my sheets is gonna be wasted cuz i have to rebuild them again

Cant wait for oki to revert it when i finish the reconstruction

[stark oyster]

A full exo support is going to have almost 200 health on every part of his body,

Wild to think about.

[green pelican]

I came for the battlefield-like experience and gameplay, it's slowly feeling more like CoD

[muted vine]

Where are those cod players, tried playing yesterday and the game was the slowest shit ever. Recons + DMR + support players never actually moving close to the objective

[old karma]

Tbh, cod nowadays is stupid fast, this game is nowhere close to it

[barren hound]

If you can have a spasm and be reliabling dodging gunfire just by moving your mouse around that fast i consider it a cod game

[old karma]

You need to play cod again then. Its not just spasm and dodging

Weapons reload way faster, your character has way more freedom in movement even with the inertia, plus, it can slide and do other types of movement

Another fact is you can only spasm and dodge reliably at longer distances in BBR

[thorny yoke]

Not really
Sure it gets riskier the closer you are but you can absolutely dodge up close

[barren hound]

You can go insinde the enemy to trow his aim off aswell

[tawny fern]

Wait, will the healthbar be seen when pointing to enemies across the fucking map? @thorny yoke

[old karma]

Nah its way easier to kill here than in cod

[tawny fern]

Fr

Fuck the new updates coming soon. This is becoming a shitshow

[old karma]

You can dodge a lot more in cod

[tawny fern]

Yea

[old karma]

With slide cancel and jump cancel and other types of gimmics

[tawny fern]

And the devs cry about having less players. Gee, I wonder why.

[muted vine]

People 'll see how big the skill dif is when the longer ttk hits

[tawny fern]

They banned a former mod for speaking for the community about the update and they said it was "harrassment to the dev team"

Lmfao what a fucking joke

[thorny yoke]

Oki said healthbars appear once you damage the enemy

[old karma]

I dont know how they work, but having some transparency about roadmap and dates

[tawny fern]

So if I randomly shoot a guy 2-3000 meters across the damn map, I can see the healthbar?

[old karma]

Would be cool

[tawny fern]

No it would not.

If they do that, I am doing a force refund on the game cause this is plain stupid\

[old karma]

Why not? Dont you wanna know if the update was delayed?

[tawny fern]

If it is then good

[old karma]

Or what month is gonna be the update

Thats what im talking about

Geez

Chill

[tawny fern]

No clue, but they rolling out info on it so it means soon

[old karma]

Soon means this month or this year?

[tawny fern]

Prolly month

[old karma]

Id say prolly year

[tawny fern]

If not this month, then next one for sure

[tawny fern]

Devs still on their christmas break LMFAO

[old karma]

And some people will still be playing

[tawny fern]

The best player is quitting soon

[thorny yoke]

Not sure how far the healthbars would display but up close 100%

[tawny fern]

And through smokes too? And flashbangs?

[thorny yoke]

I assume they arent dumb enough to do that

[tawny fern]

Hopefully not

[thorny yoke]

Would be such visual clutter

[signal moss]

roadmap

[tawny fern]

Pathetic

[thorny yoke]

They ditched the roadmap

[barren hound]

To have one you have to deliver on time

Difficult to do that when you are basically one person doing the balance

[graceful umbra]

just add mtx cosmetics already. it's a lot easier to update the game consistently if there is monetary incentive. only way they make more money now is selling new copies of the game so making the game noob friendly and constant sales only way they will get paid more. oki says small updates aren't sustainable but they 100% are they just don't make any money off of them, turn the game into live service with mtx cosmetics and push some type of update every 2 weeks with some new skins, plenty of us will be more than happy to swipe for some drip and we won't have to wait months for radical changes. And if they are really so against making money then do whatever you want with the game and stop explaining your logic in hopes that the entire community will support the decisions. (I love screaming into the void)

[old karma]

I guess i cant expect that from 3 people

God knows when and if it's gonna be a good update

[inland plaza]

You can only hope oki makes changes to the API so the community servers can un-fuck the game for their communities, when his hypotheticals turn into hypotheses that are to be tested and somehow make it to official build.
(Which has not happened for things like spotting in the past, we all had to just deal with the ESP Doritos) 🐴

[barren hound]

You can hire people to do that

Bc it does gets old having to wait sometimes small balacing changes tied to big updates specially on how bad they have been or too much radical

[thorny yoke]

Funny dorter tru wall

[stark oyster]

Just no. Not all games should be live service, and we have been seeing how bad live service games are becoming.

[kind spire]

"Live service" is not the reason those games are shit.

[hasty elm]

Blud thinks just cuz devs making extra money they would work faster

Oki prob going full throttle rn but there's simply so much to work on

And on top of that amount of work he decided to cook balancing

https://tenor.com/view/aizen-drinking-sip-drink-bleach-gif-2243382899312612755

[thorny yoke]

Very uncommon wallace L

He does make an interesting point to an extent

But like ox1 said, more money ≠ more updates

Maybe if they had many devs and had to pay all of them, then fine as long as they are making the updates good

Sadly, this is not the case

[barren hound]

True

What it can do is make so updates takes more time since it is one more thing oki has to keep planning on instesd of focusing on the update

Or just what the whole team has to think

[signal moss]

oki could pay a dedicated balancer with extra money

[barren hound]

Shit like small guns balance changes, attachments buffs and nerfs like the magazines and barrels would be perfect already

Even to fix some bugs and qol

Bc hey the sound changes with the guns looks would be really good in general
The radical changes would still have a bad light but there isnt a billion of other small things that are getting ignored or isnt talked about that much

[green pelican]

I'm still gonna give it a go, if I don't like it I'll just stop playing

[barren hound]

me too

atleast if it goes live

still waiting for a new lmg

[tawny fern]

He don't want to tho.

[thorny yoke]

Same

[tame elbow]

Same, i dont vwant to see this game die because there's no other shooter out ther that offers the same BF-like vibes

And no, 2042 does not exist in my book

[barren hound]

thats true sadly

[tawny fern]

Thats what is happening. Its not about not wanting it, oki will not listen cause the devs are respectfully too bull-headed.

Its true.

I wonder if I will get banned next like snoman for speaking on the games developement

[signal moss]

snowman got banned for that?

[tawny fern]

Yes, want a Pic in DMs on what he said and what he got banned for?

[signal moss]

sure

[tawny fern]

Bet

Sent

I completely agree with snomans views, but anyways, back to the topic before they lock the thread for being "off-topic"

[signal moss]

he has a point but also speaks quite negative

[plain lava]

Totally Accurate Battlegrounds was in a similar state to BBR today and they tried live service, but much like Oki, they prioritized dumb stuff and "burnt out" when everyone asked why they ignored the community and the game died not long after

Money won't make Oki suddenly have a better vision for the game or listen to community consensus

The devs really need a community manager and someone to manage them as well to keep on task

[signal moss]

Termi to busy creating the stream summary

[plain lava]

I know that's asking a lot

[tame elbow]

Devcast summary? Player retention yap

[plain lava]

They really do need to just get someone from the community as a sort of ambassador

[plain lava]

You know what retains players? Actually letting the players know what's going on and giving them content to enjoy

[tame elbow]

Or not fucking up the game balance every now and then

[plain lava]

But sounds are scary and we need to change the genre of the game again to get people to play who already made up their minds about not liking it

[patent pumice]

His point isnt that more money means more updates. His point is that right now Oki is completely focused on new player experience because he knows that new players are the only way for the game to make money. Adding another way for the game to make money would allow Oki to stop worrying so much about new players and focus on making the game actually better.

[thorny yoke]

Like i said it is an interesting point that he is making

Its a double edged sword

[stark oyster]

· If it's about speeding up vault animations, then it's funny.
· Bleeding is a vestige.
· Snipers must suffer lol. At least some variety in the style of the game.
· As far as I have heard, this does not apply to players with prestige.
· Why not?

After reading a few of your suggestions, I realized what type of player you are. You are one of those players who hide behind a wall or barricade with 20 others of the same, waiting for C4 to blow them up.

If the developers listen to people like you, even the community servers will die in the game. If it weren't for the Steam sale, today's online peak wouldn't have reached 4,000 players, partly because the game is trying to be hardcore, and people like you are defending rudimentary mechanics.

Go and play Squad and satisfy your hunger for hardcore, rather than make a second Squad from Battlebit. People liked the game not because of the mechanics of combining magazines or bleeding, but because of other things.

[patent pumice]

After reading a few of your suggestions, I realized what type of player you are. You are one of those players who hide behind a wall or barricade with 20 others of the same, waiting for C4 to blow them up.

That is exactly the type of player that he is.

However, Oki has explicitly stated that he wants the changes in the next update to encourage that type of gameplay, not discourage it.

[thorny yoke]

Its actually not true
Everyone see that thread and thinks im that type of player
And yeah, i do sometimes clump with people, i will admit that
I just genuently think c4 needs some kind of tweak

[plain lava]

Erm actually I liked the mag packing

[pearl dragon]

Erm actually you liked other things

[patent pumice]

Admit it, you only ever clump

You love the clump

[thorny yoke]

1. It is not about vault speed, im actually happy its faster now.
2. Imo, not really, it just needs tweaking.
3. Actually everyone suffers. Every gun while in ADS gets a 20% reduction in recoil for some stupid reason.
4. That is correct, but why should new players be locked into that class
5. Not needed at all + more clutter on screen

[thorny yoke]

I dont

[tawny fern]

New player experience = Experienced players quitting

[patent pumice]

That definitely not generally true

New player experience can be addressed in a really effective way that makes the game better for everyone

but thats not what oki's doing

[thorny yoke]

cough cough tutorial cough cough

[patent pumice]

Killcam

Killcam is the single best thing you can do for new player experience

[pearl dragon]

idk the technical feasibility of killcam in a game w/ 254 players on server.

[thorny yoke]

Given how they made spectator mode idk how good a killcam would be

[hasty elm]

Womp womp, Oki is notoriously bad when it comes to any kind of balance change

You'd have better luck with him rolling the dice than him doing it

[patent pumice]

Even if killcam was basically just spectator with minor improvements it would still make a huge difference for new players

[patent pumice]

I dont know why you keep saying this. The game's gun balance is quite literally the least of it's issues.

especially now

[hasty elm]

Long ago there was a guy that was looking for a position like that, he was rejected (That guy wasn't me just an FYI)

That guy was a lot better than me and he created the dmg fall-off formula i use in all my sheets

[thorny yoke]

A real excel god

No way

[hasty elm]

He was a math guy, not an excel guy

[patent pumice]

Isnt damage falloff just a peicewise linear function?

[hasty elm]

It's a bezier curve

A unity animation curve

[hasty elm]

Why do i keep moaning about gun balance? Cuz now Oki is playing with the house made of cards called weapon balance and changing the table from underneath

Trying not to disturb the house of cards

[thorny yoke]

Also his track record with the attachments is uhhhh

[hasty elm]

HP increases, Varities in HP pools through both class and armor, Recoil reduction, damage fall-off being closer

[hasty elm]

I think that was Larry and his random number generator, but I wouldn't really wanna compare bad with the new bad

[patent pumice]

Im not asking you why youre "moaning about gun balance". I'm asking you why youre saying that Oki has a track record of bad gun balance when there's only been like 3 overpowered guns (at different times) in the history of this entire game.

[hasty elm]

The problem is that he either doesn't do anything about OP weapons or completely over nerfs them into irrelevance

[patent pumice]

Infact, one of the first things I noticed about the game when I started playing it was how unbelievably well the guns were balanced. It's so much better than every other game I've played.

[patent pumice]

Vector? Ump?

What are you talking about?

[hasty elm]

As Val

[patent pumice]

The only OP gun that's been nerfed into the ground has been the val

So I guess he's 2 for 3 and that makes him the worst at gun balance now?

[hasty elm]

Vector was not touched for 3 months

Actually since forever

Heavy barrel AK74

OGs remember Heavy barrel AK74

And the nerf the nerf was made by the community

To HB AK74

Had an entire list of "signatures"

[patent pumice]

So we're up to 4 guns, all of which have been addressed at this point

Idek if the ak74 was even op but I'll just grant that

I dont think that make's Oki bad at gun balance

[hasty elm]

3/4 which weren't addressed by Oki, and 1/4 which oki did address but completely overnerfed to the ground

I'm sure there's more, cuz i haven't been in the community as long as some have.

[thorny yoke]

We also forget that oki did not touch snipers for a very long time

[hasty elm]

Except nerf th em

[thorny yoke]

By adding glint and trails

M200 still dominates

[hasty elm]

Found one of my older sheets, on the left no HB and on the right HB damage applied

[thorny yoke]

And not that nerfs are even good

[patent pumice]

So how many guns are in the game total?

[hasty elm]

Not the point how many there are, the point is how he handles/doesn't handle outliers

And even if we want to give him credit for weapons he didn't fuck up completely then there's the point of them being completely inferior or lacking any character

[thorny yoke]

G3

Pp19

Mk14

Ssg69

[hasty elm]

That's not on him 💀

[patent pumice]

What outliers are there that havent been handled?

I see plenty of people using the mk14 and the ssg

[thorny yoke]

Just sayin that these guns are still shit

[patent pumice]

ssg has 0 recoil but low damage so it's niche is that its used by noobs

[hasty elm]

Not a good point since all the bad guns have been buffed by a non-oki entitity

[thorny yoke]

Cause there is nothing else to use until you reach rank 30

[patent pumice]

Oki is the person that decides what buffs actually go through...

[hasty elm]

Whatever you say pal 🗿

[patent pumice]

I dont know what you mean by this. Noobs choose to use the SSG and the F2k because they have 0 recoil

[thorny yoke]

No???

[hasty elm]

Oki was also the guy against increasing heavy calibers headshot multiplier because deagle would be able to 1 tap to the head

[thorny yoke]

Like f2k sure fine

[patent pumice]

Pretty much any guns in this game that are low damage are compensated for with less recoil and vice versa

[patent pumice]

And then what happened?

[hasty elm]

Protesting

[thorny yoke]

But in the case of recon you only use it for like 30 ranks and move on to an actually usable gun, the sv98

[patent pumice]

And then what happened

[hasty elm]

It was changed cuz of protesting

[patent pumice]

OOOH

[hasty elm]

Deagle used to do 90 dmg just sayin

[patent pumice]

I was confusing ssg for sg

yeah the snipers arent in a very good spot right now in terms of identity

[hasty elm]

RSH used to do 60

And oki created the RSH

[patent pumice]

but I dont think thats because of incompetence, just because its not a priority

[hasty elm]

I think it had some crazy recoil as well

[patent pumice]

like having 1 sniper thats better than all the others doesnt really matter like having 1 automatic thats better than all the others

[patent pumice]

used to

[patent pumice]

used to

Revolver used to 1 shot body shot in CSGO

[hasty elm]

Only reason we even get to use that word is cuz someone other than oki was doing balancing

[patent pumice]

I wouldnt say the CSGO devs are bad at balancing

[thorny yoke]

It does take a while for stuff to be, yknow, balanced

[hasty elm]

Like you are dick riding air rn

[thorny yoke]

Months even

Like

[patent pumice]

Does someone other than oki have access to the game's repo?

[thorny yoke]

Sure they fix it
Problem is that the fix comes eventually

[patent pumice]

That doesnt mean hes bad at balancing

[hasty elm]

Oh my fucking god chum i fucking hate how you are going for the "well technically" argument

[patent pumice]

It just means that he doesnt prioritize it

[hasty elm]

At all

[thorny yoke]

And theres the problem

[patent pumice]

No. Thats not the problem. Ox1 keeps saying that Oki has this outstanding track record of being awful at gun balance.

I dont even disagree that Oki takes forever to do really important things. I've said before over and over again that testing wouldnt even be needed before updates if he actually fixed problems the community found quickly

[hasty elm]

you wanna know why Assault has it's perks

Before self-heal with bandages was a thing

The only way you could heal was with a medics healing box

So medic dominated every lobby in popularity

[patent pumice]

Yes, I played the game then

[hasty elm]

Oki decided that instead of doing something about healing being only possible with medic, he should instead give assault perks

Everyone played medic because that was the only class that was able to live longer than 1 gun fight

And oki decided to give assault perks

I remember we laughed our asses off in patreon backers when that happened

[thorny yoke]

So okis history of not directly adressing the problem goes way back huh

[hasty elm]

Medics monopoly on heals was only addressed a couple months after EA launch, and there was A LOT OF TIME before to make any changes to healing

And not by oki himself either (iirc)

[thorny yoke]

Even then he had overdone it

Medic is mid now

[plain lava]

Yeah he's either clumsy, misses the mark, or nerfs things into the ground on the first go, which means you're waiting a long time to see an update that corrects the new problems he made in the process

[hasty elm]

Bandage healing was talked about way before EA launch as well

but nothing was done with those talks either

Like the size of this upcoming update is massive, I trust oki can do most of the technical side of the update (sounds, animations, code etc.), but i have no trust in his ability to handle all the TTK related changes he's going to make

Especially since this is going to be for many the make or break

[patent pumice]

I do agree that the medic situation was pretty awful in terms of balancing. Medic was the only class that actually felt fun to play at the time. I cant think of a single analogous situation with weapon balancing.

[hasty elm]

Majority of guns were either bad/inferior or super good with heavy barrel.

Then there were the SMGs

M200

M110 with heavy barrel

[thorny yoke]

Vector

[hasty elm]

Now we have m110 without heavy barrel

[livid shell]

woah woah woah wait so only new players will get too play support?

[hasty elm]

Have I told yall how much i hate democracy when it comes to making changes

i hate democracy

I wanna be a ruthless dictator no democracy allowed

Oh how much I could have done without democracy 😭

[patent pumice]

Werent attachments stats randomized to begin with? Does this include the heavy and long barrel damage numbers?

[hasty elm]

Idunno, I think it's a joke cuz of how similar the attachments and how mags were all over the place were back then

Oh the times when I was manually inputting each weapons stats with an attachment equipped

😭

All those values on the left were inputted by hand

For every gun

[honest igloo]

we need to make sg550 700 rpm, 28 dmg 🗣️

[hasty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/reminiscing-good-old-day-old-memorize-gif-11810785

[gentle robin]

bring back 3 shot AK74!

[tawny fern]

Shot deez nuts 3 times for ya

[runic lark]

ak15

[barren hound]

Do not womp womp me

[stark oyster]

Womp womp.

[thorny yoke]

Womp womp.

[topaz niche]

[patent pumice]

Honestly it doesnt really matter. There’s never been a gun so broken that it feels like if you’re not using you’re just being completely overpowered by everyone else who’s using it. I didnt play during the as val meta, but I started playing during the peak of the Vector meta discourse and I never once felt like I had to use it. I didnt ever feel like it was so overpowered I was being cheated out of a life every time I died to it before I unlocked it.

Same with heavy barrel and long barrel. I didnt even know about those for most of the time it was a thing.

[honest igloo]

vector and ak hb weren't so bad
but as val/hb was smth else back in the day

i think there is some videos of it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QMFrzJL-aJI good ol decimid has some clips showing old as val

800 rpm + 35 dmg

[patent pumice]

Ok

[grizzled sparrow]

rare decimonkey reappearance

[honest igloo]

xd

[green pelican]

Peak vector was bullshit, you didn't have to use it but playing against it was infuriating

[signal moss]

better than what we have rn

[muted vine]

m110 is so much different from vector

[tame elbow]

I'm shit with it

[kind spire]

one of the slowest killing guns, yet people still say its OP. its like saying the Deagle is op because someone headshot you with it.

[topaz niche]

ah yes ignore the entire argument of range and only focus on ttk

[tawny fern]

Oki complaining about money meanwhile they shut down patreon. Imagine

[patent pumice]

Has oki complained about money?

[kind spire]

yeah 200-300 meters is the only range where its technically more effective. but is still beaten out by AR/BR/and Bolts. so thank you for supporting my statement.

[topaz niche]

I certainly die less to AR/BR/Bolts at 200-300 meters than I do to DMRs at that range 🤔

[bitter wharf]

its only OP when its used against me XD

[kind spire]

literally their entire argument. put up against its class its sub-average. put up against everything else, its still below average. the more spammable DMRs are more effective at those ranges because of their accruacy and ability to control them. AR's and BRs perform decently enough at those ranges as well even with the dropoff. Bolts go without saying since that's their most effective distance for them.

[bitter wharf]

its funny because half the time when I am using either of the first two DMRs they either be hitting what I wanted them to hit or they just miss every shot in the magazine

sometimes I would like to inspect the gun and ask it "why are you like this?"

[kind spire]

same. its like my wrist locks in place when I fire sometimes. and I'm not able to correct.

[tawny fern]

Before yes.

[patent pumice]

This is unsurprising news to me

[tawny fern]

One of the damn devcasts he was talking about it, imma have to look and see which

[kind spire]

sure man you operate like a god 100% of the time, we get it, you're ego is huge and you have to feed it constantly.

[bitter wharf]

hence the pfp XD

[tawny fern]

LMFAO, Sorry Chum, but that was funny af

I still like you tho

[thorny yoke]

Ngl it do sound like a mild skissue on your end

Just sayin

[patent pumice]

You say this sarcastically, but you fail to understand that my weakest day in Battlebit is of a higher echelon than the strongest day you are even capable of. Your feeble little brain simply could not handle the levels of skills that I am able to put into this game and that's the sad reason why you have no capability to state any sensible opinion regarding this game. It's simply because compared to me, you might as well have the understanding of a baby.

[kind spire]

I was literally saying that is something that sometime happens to me? like, did I blame the gun or something? my wrist locks up for about a decade now, woop de doo, skill issue I guess?

[kind spire]

ok mr god emperor, you can keep feeding your ego on scraps I guess.

[hasty elm]

I dont know if this is amazing level of bait or you have that much ego, congrats 👏

Its amazing that you meat ride okis ability to balance regardless of what we have seen him do when he has decided to make any changes

[patent pumice]

It does not matter if it is bait or not, all of the substance is pure unadulterated truth.

[patent pumice]

If you disagree and would like to prove me wrong, you can go ahead and post stats 🙂

[kind spire]

there ya go again, stuck in 2009 cod lobby talking about K/d.

[topaz niche]

@kind spire yeah post stats

[kind spire]

when k/d actually matters, sure.

[patent pumice]

k/d

[kind spire]

oh what you gonna say now, that stat doesn't matter? you seemed pretty up in arms about it before.

[topaz niche]

K/d has less of an impact on a game's outcome than kpm does

[kind spire]

ah ok, so yet another stat that really doesn't matter.

talking like mains who do anything but kill are worthless, even if they are pivotal to winning games. but I guess y'all like cod so much, only kills matter to you.

[stark oyster]

A spawn sniper who goes 5-1 every game and contributes nothing will have a very impressive kd but a terrible kpm. On the other hand almost every player with good kpm will have a good kd.

[kind spire]

focusing on the KPM warriors is the exact opposite of where we want this to go. so like I said, another worthless stat that is padded out by people not actually playing roles or objectives and just farming.

[plain lava]

Hey guys did the patch drop yet

[stark oyster]

No

[hasty elm]

Of course not

[plain lava]

It's over

It really is MID APRIL

[patent pumice]

It is unfortunate that people like DevilDogg20 cannot see the faults in their own thought patterns. First he argues that K/d is important, then he argues that his opponents "like cod so much" that they cannot learn any other way of thinking. If this were true, surely they too would hold k/d in high regard as well? He cannot comprehend the quandry.

[plain lava]

If K/D mattered I wouldn't be a tank main

Which usually means I sit in the spawn menu all game and don't play for hours at a time because the NPCs keep taking the tanks before I can get them (real, not fake)

[thorny yoke]

RIP wrist ig

[hasty elm]

Lets not get off-topic now, oki bad at balancing we all gonna die

[kind spire]

I said it wasn't important you buffoon. I have said that the stats do not matter because people pad them by farming and not playing the game.

[thorny yoke]

K/d sure

[stark oyster]

Oki remove K/d end of story

[plain lava]

At this point, I'd argue Oki might as well just make BB2 if he plans on changing it so much

[kind spire]

yeah, working on 18-wheelers, jackass pushed me off and fell about 20 feet, stopped myself barely cause my legs got caught. Wrist hasn't been right since.

[thorny yoke]

Yikes

[tame elbow]

As someone with wristb issues i feel your pain

[plain lava]

It would probably get the player retention he wants instead of blowing up the game people already associated with not wanting to play

[stark oyster]

watch me balance the game.

one shot head shot on every gun 30m<

decrease movement speed

inertia

end of story

boom

[thorny yoke]

Add inertia to bullets

[patent pumice]

Fascinatingly, in this message Mr. Dogg attempts a witty retort, however it utterly fails in it's intent as he seems to have missed the entire point of what he is feebly attempting to respond to. As stated before, he cannot comprehend the quandry. And what's more; he is smug all the while.

[kind spire]

you really do be pulling the 4th grade "I'm smarter than you, I read a thesurus" out now, huh. Like, your other replies are funny because you seem to believe them, now its just you spewing words out because you can't argue.

[thorny yoke]

Id stick around to see how this ends but i must sleep

Bye

[cosmic rapids]

Reject sleep

[stark oyster]

Drink a coffee.

[cosmic rapids]

Overdose on coffee*

[thorny yoke]

Its 4:30 am im pretty sure i have to sleep

[patent pumice]

Unfortunately for Devil, his response accusing me of having read a 'thesurus' only implies that I have used words that he deems to be too big for him to understand! Yet another blunder on his part.

[stark oyster]

Can you actually do that?

Nevermind that was a silly question.

[thorny yoke]

You could literally OD on water

Like if you drink enougb water your body cant physically handle it and you die

[kind spire]

man your heads really up your own ass tonight, isn't it? none of your replies are witty, or even funny. Like I said, 2010 4th grade humor at the most. at least get better material if your gonna keep trying to sound smart with all your fallacies.

[cosmic rapids]

Bitch

[thorny yoke]

Buh

[stark oyster]

Guh

[patent pumice]

And nothing of substance was said.

[kind spire]

uh huh. notice how you changed your tune? seemed to do its job despite your statement.

[barren hound]

this looks like two 8th graders arguing jesus

[kind spire]

honestly am tired though, so the fake arguement to boost the channel is gonna come to a close, gn

[barren hound]

might aswell make it worse and cheer for one side and see how far it goes

[patent pumice]

I dont think that most 8th graders know a word as big as 'thesurus'.

[hasty elm]

There's always that "smart kid" that found the word on the internet or something

[cosmic rapids]

Mfw aus education is fucked and we still learn that shit in like y5 or something

[tame elbow]

thesurus? Isn't it thesaurus?

[barren hound]

the ship of theseus

[patent pumice]

No that's wrong. Mr. Dogg knows best.

[honest igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/kumalala-kumalala-kumala-savesta-kumalala-kumala-savesta-thoms-gif-25640161

Wtf happened here

[patent pumice]

DevilDogg20 decided to spout off so I had to put him in his place. Just the usual.

[hasty elm]

I have always been wondering what this means

What does it mean sworce

[signal moss]

damn some ppls takes are insane

[cosmic rapids]

ribey

[honest igloo]

hallelujah

[hasty elm]

Yeah but why is it shaking back and fourth

[honest igloo]

ah didn't larry was editing it

[cosmic rapids]

ribey

[cosmic rapids]

me when editing

1984

[hasty elm]

You some kind of a pokemon fr fr

All yap is just the name

[hasty elm]

Sworce is my favorite BBR SCP

[kind spire]

chum really do be gaslighting the entire night. you would think he would get better material.

[hollow inlet]

If there's one thing I love about this community, it's that the same like 5 people are always arguing

Sides may be different at times, but it's always a mix of them

[signal moss]

because there are only 10 guys in this server

[barren hound]

You know you fucked up when they all agree on something

[hollow inlet]

Tbh, ya kind of

All of the regulars are certified™️ yappers

If all of us agree on something it might be an issue. I will say however, I give 0 fucks about any of our opinions (including my own) if the changes oki makes are fun and make the game better

[signal moss]

[hollow inlet]

Which is why I keep saying use the BETA environment

We can theorize all day if you let us. We'll simmer till we boil over. But if we can play the changes the feedback will be valuable-ish

Like, I think removing bleed isn't the move, but maybe when I play it I'll like it

I think the community gets really defensive over mechanics changing because we have NO idea how long we'll be stuck with the game like this

[hasty elm]

The way they rushing update i hope they do not include any ttk related changes

Cuz If update coming this month there def isn't enough time to test ttk properly

[hollow inlet]

They said they'd test the update on the beta branch

At some point somewhere lol

[hasty elm]

Pretty much everything and anything that doesn't touch TTK is welcome

[hollow inlet]

So here's hoping they actual DO test it before the normals get their hands on the update and write off the game on the main branch

[cosmic rapids]

[signal moss]

2weeks left and no news

beta branch is a lie

[hollow inlet]

🤷‍♂️

[thorny yoke]

Regarding ttk, i dont think its gonna be increased by a whole lot
I expect an increase of 100-200ms in general ttk

Beyond that i doubt it personally

[hasty elm]

Damage fall-off

And then there's recoil

I don't wanna shoot peas at my enemies

[thorny yoke]

We dont know by how much tho

[hasty elm]

Yeah that's one problem

[thorny yoke]

I dont expect massive changes on that front yet

But i cant say that im not concerned

[barren hound]

Your opinion is valid as a summer ant(stupid and meaningless)

Just my opinion is the correct one(cool and factual)

[topaz niche]

[cosmic rapids]

fuck you range cut in half for everything except smgs and snipers

[muted vine]

When oki listened to the community we got dmrs which are now ranged smgs and supports with br

Not sure they should care about what people say here

[thorny yoke]

I dont remember anyone asking for brs on support

Support buffs sure, but brs on support specifically? Nope

[honest igloo]

its oki's decision on how he will buff weapons/classes
as an example I can say: 'buff sg550 its soo bad rn 🗣️ '
and its his decision on how better the sg will be

he can make it 35 dmg with 800 rpm

or just a normal buff ( 700 rpm, 28 dmg )

[thorny yoke]

If he happens to overnerf/overbuff a gun its on him, not us

[gentle robin]

i mean we all remember old ASVal right
rriiiggghhtt

[thorny yoke]

When was the as val meta again

[gentle robin]

context for anyone who doesnt know
ASVal/HB used to be meta during PT
oki absolutely gutted them

avg TTK was alot faster around 1.5 where as the current ttk is around 2.0

[gentle robin]

2022 playtest
before vector

it was the frag RPG
then ASVal/HB
then the vector
then the AK74 with 3 shots lol

[thorny yoke]

Ah right yeah

Now i remember

[gentle robin]

man i miss getting 20 kills with a frag RPG on old namak 😦

[thorny yoke]

Sadly, frag is no longer good

And after this patch its gon be useless

[gentle robin]

yep
now its all about the heat
(which i assume oki fucked up damage and mixed the inf damage of the frag to heat)

[signal moss]

HB?

never noticed that

[gentle robin]

honey badger

it was good back then
the baby ASVal since they were basically the same

[signal moss]

huh?

[gentle robin]

copy paste stats basically lol

[signal moss]

wow

[thorny yoke]

Oh yeah

The stats were pretty much the same

Idk if im misremembering but besides like 2 stats they were pretty much copies of each other

[tawny fern]

Rip

[barren hound]

https://tenor.com/view/gg-gif-6900499993463120297

[livid shell]

yo

[main delta]

Frag rpg should just be removed at this point, it’s whole existence is a joke.

And he obviously ain’t gonna balance it, or it would have been done in the playtests.

[honest igloo]

hell naw

[topaz niche]

skull

[honest igloo]

ah so does that mean it will be removed?

like there is no definite answer

[thorny yoke]

Oki said the he may sometime ago

[honest igloo]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-man-stressed-problematic-gif-15976565

We want to make decisions for the game to be made on "does it make sense for the squad based shooter"

[thorny yoke]

"We don't want the game to be a clone of battlefield or squad"
"Rockets iron sights are being adjusted to try and increase visual clarity"

[inland plaza]

Some of these things like how to deal with squad spawning have already been tested and answered for him by the community servers; and it's sounding like he doesn't want to cook with the quality ingredients he has and just wants to throw it away because it'd be easier and uses the justification that is a good thing because the new customers will get scared of sophisticated ingredients, when those ingredients are like salt and butter.

[honest igloo]

bbr should take notes from roblox fireteam
enemies should turn into red mist when shot with frag

[thorny yoke]

Hell yeah

Actually

They could also add increased blood splatter for headshots

For added dopamine

Or have helmets fly off like in payday 2 for every headshot kill

[honest igloo]

xd that would be sick

[cosmic rapids]

Ak74 was always just didn't get turbo abused till after

Also no armor engi

And the classics like discord voting for global range nerfs (for everything except snipers) and velocity being nuked and armor hp being like 4x what it currently is

Good times

[tawny fern]

This is posted where?

[thorny yoke]

Bbr reddit

[cosmic rapids]

Or yk

#bbr-news

[muted vine]

Combining mags is for campers and not actual people who play the game

useless feature

[topaz niche]

i combine my mags plenty

idk what yall doing with your mags

[muted vine]

spawn kill 5 people die spawn again

[topaz niche]

noob playstyle

[stark oyster]

I run and gun and combine mags in the downtime.

[muted vine]

not running and gunning enough

[tawny fern]

So it will be removed?

[cosmic rapids]

No

[tawny fern]

Congrats, it already a clone

[cosmic rapids]

😭

[signal moss]

imagine not wasting tons of tickets to resupply lost mags

[thorny yoke]

Imagine not wanting to play fast 24/7

[patent pumice]

Its not a waste of tickets if youre netting more tickets from being able to kill people faster

[steep tide]

Squad

The most unfunny game on this world

[elder furnace]

The game takes a lot from Squad and Battlefield, but they don't want to be a clone of these two... a joke really

[cosmic rapids]

Brb making a bingo for everything this game copies from those 2

(I'm not actually)

[elder furnace]

What I'm getting at is that if they didn't want to be a copy, why then so many things from both games at a copy and paste level and not create something of their own?

Again, as they have been doing for a long time, a lot of conversation, recognizing the problems of the game but nothing to solve it, incredible that after months they continue doing the same thing haha

[onyx ore]

Bros, mag packing is staying in the game

thank god!!

[main delta]

Bruh this new update is gonna make snipers even more annoying cus now all the other guns do less damage at range, countering them is going to be miserable.

Like rip doing any form of distance combat.

[hasty elm]

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

BBR discord members carefully slandering Okis ability to use a brain because of an update that isn't even out (based)

[cosmic rapids]

Who said carefully

[grizzled sparrow]

who said he playtests

[tawny fern]

LMFAO so true!

[tawny fern]

He doesn't

I just found another game breaking bug which is the second one so far. I found one with EAC which allowed banned players to come back on the same account they were banned on without being unbanned

As soon as the dev team decides to become transparent and release transparency reports then I will inform them on the second game breaking bug. I am not abusing the second bug if any of yall are wondering. Devcasts do not count as transparency lol

[grizzled sparrow]

i know

[tawny fern]

Fr, so much misinformation going around

Crazy, thats why I will not speak with T&S cause they do not do shit about it. They have not informed the community or been transparent with the breach in the games AC which is just so wrong on many levels.

Wouldn't be suprised if I was next to go after snoman for "harrassment to the dev team"

If the devs want to know what the other gamebreaking bug is, they need to be transparent.

I already know who is abusing the bug, but wont give names yet

[patent pumice]

Send it to me so I can report it and get the skin for it.

[tawny fern]

No, the skin is also a lie LMFAO. The EAC bug which who knows how many banned cheaters have used it was passed on as a mere issue even though a 3 people in VC showed it on stream and took advantage of it allowing their same banned account to join BBR servers again.

And worst of all, it is a unique bug for BBR only and not a public one

[patent pumice]

So you reported a bug that lets banned cheaters still play and they didnt give you the skin for it?

Seems like a SCAM

[tawny fern]

Yep

They have not even acknowledged it and I even gave em names on who abused it and the dumbo who abused it is still in the server

I could ping him, but I wont

[patent pumice]

ping him

do it

wait is it not patched?

[tawny fern]

No otherwise people will go to him for it and I do not feel like starting the drama up and it will only cause this thread to be closed down

[tawny fern]

No

[patent pumice]

@granite forge You should probably look into this

[tawny fern]

He already has

It was reported already, but nothing done

I want to get the person who abused it to recreate it but it will break the rules.

[cosmic rapids]

🔥

We love bbr

[onyx ore]

big black remastered

[honest igloo]

💀

[grizzled sparrow]

when i saw oki could control skevo i knew we were cooked

[green pelican]

having to use single fire
Somehow a bad thing

UMP ADS looks bullshit

[thorny yoke]

20% ads recoil reduction ladies and gentelmen

We are so fucked

[thorny yoke]

Brs are 100% gonna be meta too
If you could spray with them at ranges where tapfire is more viable currently we are so fucking cooked

[shell void]

get laserbeamed lol

[honest igloo]

the thing I don't get is
recoil is pretty low already
guns like ak74, m4 are very easy to use, most of the guns are easy to use ngl

why reduce recoil on all of them

[thorny yoke]

Why reduce recoil on fucking dmrs also

[honest igloo]

yea like

tf

[thorny yoke]

Its not the games fault that people have a skill issue controlling the recoil

Hell i too have skill issue sometimes controling recoil and i dont bitch about it

[honest igloo]

the only guns that have heavy recoil are the br's, but with attachments they are manageable

[thorny yoke]

Brs are bouncy in full auto, as it should be

[signal moss]

oki should fix bipod and leave recoil as it is

[thorny yoke]

And tap fire is pretty useful if you are also gonna use it as a budget dmr

[signal moss]

cant auto fire at 100? use tap fire

[thorny yoke]

Exactly

[honest igloo]

ak74 has like 1.40 v recoil and 0.80 h recoil

if the 20% recoil reduction is real

then

ak will have 0.28 v recoil

and 0.16 h recoil

hmm

[thorn forge]

What

They are decreasing recoil that much?

[old karma]

Bro

Its 20% not 80%

Math

[twilit lava]

fr bro, u gotta go back to school

[old karma]

[thorn forge]

Were cooked

[honest igloo]

Oh xd

Oops

Nvm

[old karma]

1.40 to 1.12 and 0.80 to 0.64

[thorn forge]

20% across the board is still alot

[honest igloo]

I was like hmm that is too much for 20 %

But yeah u are right

I typed 20% in the calculator

Strange

[thorn forge]

Its -20% recoil probably

So 8%

80%

[twilit lava]

What I also don't understand is that AK's in real life have considerably more recoil than the game has already

[cosmic rapids]

because fuck you

[twilit lava]

Bro such a good reason, I think we should just remove recoil all together at this point

or add aimbot if your feeling a bit frisky

dude. recoil is what makes you able to shoot, take cover then shoot, if less recoil TTK will be insane

[cosmic rapids]

you best believe every time has been accurate

[twilit lava]

lmao

[thorny yoke]

Allow me to fix the math for you
Vert would be 1,12
Hori would be 0,64

Basically whenever you ads this is how much the recoil would be for the ak74

How much recoil does the skevo have actually?

Im curious to see the reduction

[honest igloo]

I think it's like 2.50

Might be 3.00

[thorny yoke]

Lets run with 2.50 i cant check it rn

[honest igloo]

Idk hori tho

[thorny yoke]

For vert it would be exactly 2

[stark oyster]

I think it's 0.8 for horizontal.

[thorny yoke]

So same as ak74, 0.64

[honest igloo]

It didn't look like 2.00 vertical in the video

Hm

[thorny yoke]

Well we have to get exact stats tho

I dont think vert is 2.50

Still, significant reduction

[honest igloo]

Imma look in #community-bbr-media for pictures

[topaz niche]

we are so fucked

even less incentive to prestige because you have to go thru 150 ranks again to unlock the most broken weapon

[hasty elm]

watafak

[thorny yoke]

Yo ox1

Can you see stats for evo rq

Im curious by how much the recoil would be reduced

[topaz niche]

Aug is gonna be even more of a laser

[hasty elm]

Best i can give atm

[thorny yoke]

2.16 for vert and 0.64 for hori when adsing

Jesus christ

[topaz niche]

base

[thorny yoke]

What the fuck is oki thinking dawg

[hollow inlet]

It'll be fiiiiiine

[stark oyster]

guys, how about. we

dont touch recoil

🙂

[thorny yoke]

Go tell oki that

[hollow inlet]

Look

If you can't handle lower recoil, that's kind of on you

Skill issue tbh

[stark oyster]

@keen locust dont touch recoil it was and still is fine. you can tune it but bro. recoil is not the problem

[thorn forge]

Me getting beamed by aug players from 800m after the update

[thorny yoke]

I salute you

[thorn forge]

[thorny yoke]

Like look at these stats

For something like the scorpion this is busted oki

[hollow inlet]

As someone who as @'d oki before, welcome to the club

[thorn forge]

List of blocked discord members

[hollow inlet]

You gotta remember, the damage is getting nerfed too

[stark oyster]

and i dont want that

its still s tier

[hollow inlet]

I mean I agree lol

[thorny yoke]

Thing is guns are mostly fine

Snipers and a few other guns need tweaks to not be mid

Snipers stat wise need rebalance

Otherwise recoil is like fine

Most guns are fine

[stark oyster]

i swear, instead of fixing problems. he is just making more problems

😭

[thorn forge]

The entire sniper trails thing was unnecessary tbh

[stark oyster]

i find it okay

its cool

[thorn forge]

Not mentioning how the trail sometimes don't even follow the bullet trajectory

[thorny yoke]

Oh yeah that does happen

[honest igloo]

In the video it seems like it's even lower than that

[hasty elm]

We are cooked 😭

Lets not panic too much though

Oki is also reducing dmg fall off so we will shoot peas

[thorny yoke]

True
But going from 2.70 to 2.16 is a lot

[hasty elm]

Also breakpoints are changing

[honest igloo]

Even on guns like ump, vector ?

[hasty elm]

Why wouldnt they be included?

[honest igloo]

They are kinda low already

[thorny yoke]

Already mid range

[honest igloo]

Isn't ump like 20m dmg fall off start?

[old karma]

I believe he wants everyone to feel the shots landing your target

To get a better feeling for the game

[cosmic rapids]

feeling that single digit damage

[old karma]

Some might dislike it because it will be less challenging

But he wants the game to be more welcoming

[thorn forge]

Bro battlebit gonna end up with the finals ttk 💀

[old karma]

Its not like everyone in the game knows how play with any weapon and land most of the shots