Reduce effectiveness of infantry combat RPG spam

[twilit flicker]

RPG spam is a problem, especially since it is possible in situations where it shouldn't, such as running around sniping recons with the RPG (see video). This game uses the same formula as some of the old school battlefield games, so why not use the same balancing techniques they did? Example clip is from BF4, as you can see they have a significantly reduced RPG projectile speed, which does not hinder the RPG's ability to be used against vehicles but reduces the infantry vs infantry RPG spam.

[ruby oriole]

Reducing velocity will not make a difference, you will still be able to use it effectively against inf

The problem with RPG spam is simple, we have four times more people on a relatively similar map size in comparison to BF

The only way to get around that is hard cap on engineers or heavy limit of ammo, because there will always be high number of individual rpg launchers on the map

[twilit flicker]

But it would fix sniping people cross map with it? Not realisitic or balanced

I've died more times than I can count by an engineer sitting in spawn RPG spamming

[sage fog]

Tbh nerfing heat and buffing frag rpg fixes this almost instantly

[twilit flicker]

yes the heat is better than the frag against inf but it still doesnt change that you can use them cross map lmao

[sage fog]

Tbh if you cant dodge a rocket from like 300m or beyond thag its a skill issue

[ruby oriole]

No, it just makes Frag do what heat does

[ruby oriole]

I have seen 4 kpm guys getting jamsheeded

[twilit flicker]

if you're not going to contribute anything i'd rather you just not say anything

[ruby oriole]

I doubt he was sitting in spawn, on most maps you can't get good LoS to do shit except closest point

You people need to stop calling anything farther than 200m away form you 'spanw'

[twilit flicker]

keep in mind there's different game types though.
Might not be a problem in 128vs128 but 32v32 it is a big problem

[ruby oriole]

No one plays on 32 v 32

It doesn't exists

It's a myth

Lol

[sage fog]

I play in 128v128 literally non issue lmao

[twilit flicker]

i do
and so do all like 3-4 servers full of people on 32

[ruby oriole]

But yeah, on a seriuos note

[twilit flicker]

that's what i just said broski

[ornate meadow]

it sucks a bit when it happens but its not really a problem up close.

happens once in a blue moon kind of shit

[sage fog]

Its understandable then that you are being bodied most 32v32 are hella small

[atomic current]

if you rush a guy rpg spamming it takes him 3 years to reload so just be spaced out enough that he cant get a double kill

if your talking about camping in a corner with one people do that with c4 landmines etc

[twilit flicker]

cant do that when they are in the zone that i am not allowed to go in by the game

[ruby oriole]

In a game where you have lobby sizes jumping from 64 to 254 players max, there will be inherit problems with balancing some things, and unless you balance every game size individually, you will have problems

[twilit flicker]

yes but reducing the RPG velo wont hurt anything with the RPG's viability, it'll only help in these situations, so why not change it?>

[atomic current]

thats less so an rpg issue than its just a game issue

[ruby oriole]

So shoot them from the distance. They are not invincible. And you don't need to use meele

[twilit flicker]

agreed, those zones are not well designed

[twilit flicker]

the RPG projectile is so fast that you can peak a corner and die before having a chance to dodge

inf vs inf combat RPG shouldnt be a thing lmao

[ruby oriole]

Those zone are the only thing that keep playerbase form spawn camping everyone all the time

[atomic current]

snipers tanks etc hide in their zone tanks are 10x worse than infantry because litraly cannot kill them without several tandoms

[sage fog]

Map issue really

[ruby oriole]

People already try to do that, ratting at enemy spawn border

[twilit flicker]

in the current state of spawns yes, if you want to change those protected zones youd also have to rework spawn zones

[ruby oriole]

Yeah, but still my point stands

[ruby oriole]

Say thank you to devs for punishing every other way of playing than that

[twilit flicker]

i wouldnt say that, it's partially due to the design of the shooting system. ie sniping is so easy that you can sit miles away and hit every shot

battlefield had incredible bloom and bullet travel times which made that not an issue

[sage fog]

Bbr solved it by making every sniper a lighthouse with the bullet trails and the glint

Aint as good now

[twilit flicker]

didnt solve it

[sage fog]

Tho velocity is still a thing

[twilit flicker]

but problem isnt as bad i agree

[sage fog]

But sniper rework is on the way so yea

We will see

[atomic current]

flanking with a bolt action was dead to me when i couldnt hide in the grass it was sooo funny having 20 people walk over me

[summer delta]

I just think HEAT RPG reserves should be reduced, have since launch. You can resupply them easily, there's no reason the fastest class should also have so many rockets lol.

[summer delta]

Heat does structure damage, Frag does not.

[ruby oriole]

Imo most cases of RPG use is to kill, not destroy

The destruction is realy third inline use

[summer delta]

Heat should be reserved to destroying cover and vehicles, Frag should be reserved for infantry.

Heat does literally everything the best.

Out of all 3 options.

[ruby oriole]

Nope, Tandem is better AT

[summer delta]

No it's not.

You get way less reserve ammunition, way less velocity, good luck hitting an aircraft.

[ruby oriole]

Yeah, I am not going to argue that, math speaks for itself here

[ruby oriole]

I sais AT not AA

[summer delta]

You can hit tanks across map with HEAT

Tandem is only good for ambushes.

[ruby oriole]

If you can't use it properely then yes

[summer delta]

If your target isn't moving sure.

[ruby oriole]

Up to 100m movement is irrevelent

And it's super easy to sneak up to enemy tank

Unless you run at it from 300m straight under it's gun

[summer delta]

Not if it's a good crew.

There's no way an experienced tanker will just sit in a forest without any infantry support.

Also that Tandem is useless until you even spot a vehicle, meanwhile the HEAT RPG has used 4 rockets to destroy cover and kill infantry.

[ruby oriole]

Yeah

noo

I have seen some shit in this game

Tandem is OP but bordelline underused

[summer delta]

You have like 2 shots

[ruby oriole]

87% per shot, 1 out 3 is broken

it one shots APC's

and anything below

[summer delta]

I've been hit by them in IFVs and I'm not one-shot.

I'll smoke sure, but I usually survive unless there's more than one RPG

It does like 80% of an IFV's health

Tandem's are nice for instakilling light vehicles though.

[ruby oriole]

Smoke in IFV? that's a new one

[ruby oriole]

87%, 174% in the rear

[summer delta]

I've literally never been hit in the rear as an IFV then

[ruby oriole]

Tandems are literlary free AT damage if you learn how the sight works

Which is the hardest pars in it

Just run rangefinder on your primary

[ornate meadow]

80% is HEAT to the rear of IFVs

[ruby oriole]

And you have 6 of them

[ornate meadow]

also

you do realise that the gadget screen tells you exactly how the sight works

for all RPGs?

[ruby oriole]

yeah, most people do not tho

[north sage]

@mortal mauve

[mortal mauve]

what

who made this one

devildogg?

anyway its already bad against infantry and only kills 4 max

a smart person would just use c4 or grenades

id like to see everyone here get hit by a heat rpg irl and then tell me its not effective against infantry

[north sage]

make it so trophy systems destroy rpgs

[ornate meadow]

When Have I ever said anything about spam and using them up close?

[mortal mauve]

You said suicide c4 needed a nerf so it wouldn't be surprising

[ornate meadow]

yeah sure, I said I wanted it to make sounds like the sentry buster or the cloaker, while making the explosion guaranteed. you are the one that said a 1-2 second sound bite, or one you choose yourself, is a nerf somehow.

[mortal mauve]

You are the one who said
It has no counterplay
It should have a delay
It should make a sound
It should have a light on it so you can see it coming

💀

[ornate meadow]

yeah, options buddy.

all of those were ideas as things you can slap on as kill rewards. except the no counterplay

[atomic current]

why would you want to nerf the funny sui c4

[ornate meadow]

literally nothing I said was a nerf to the item itself, it was more like slapping hot pink camo on your gun.

[atomic current]

just was on a server and there was a lot of rpg spammers how i see fixing the issue is make heat two shot infantry, fragmentation one shot but it has much worse ads or stuff like that

[ornate meadow]

the rpg spam is going to be "spam" because there is a massive number of players.

[atomic current]

was on a server that had barely any players around 20

there were about 4 or more people just constantly spamming

[ornate meadow]

my man has no idea what rpg spam actually is

[atomic current]

well why dont you inform me

ill take that as you dont know what it is

[ornate meadow]

more like I don't care enough to check my discord every 5 min. Just because people use a weapon, does not mean its spam. playing in a server less than 20 is also your mistake. Playing to areas they can hit you, is also your mistake. it was likely 3-6 dudes who decided to have fun on a dead server. go literally anywhere else? you will not be dying by the same RPG guy if you even do.

[atomic current]

said it literally in the same minute as you said i have no idea what rpg spam is, the server is the only vanilla one in oce, yes it was definetly spam they were mostly on top of the main building on construction restocking constantly and finally there is no counter to coming around a corner to have a guy pre-aimed with an rpg

[storm bay]

I've died more to weapons people rarely use than RPGs

Also, sometimes you can dodge it, if they are firing in your line of sight

Heat should be nerfed against INF and frag should be buffed, in it's current state it's a worthless weapon

(screenshot because the bot keeps deleting it for some stupid reason)

[mortal mauve]

Heat shouldn't be nerfed at all

Frag should just be buffed

Maybe remove the explosive kill cap on it

Devs don't really check these channels though 💀

[storm bay]

Oki does

Sometimes we see him type

The other 2 idk

[ruby oriole]

Yeah no, HEAT needs a nerf, but a slight one

The radious on which it kills is somehwat to big

[storm bay]

I think the opposite of that, the only kind of nerf it needs is less dmg against infantry (if they want a nerf)

Frag should be the one to anihilate infantry

[ruby oriole]

True, frag needs buffs

But heat is the mutlitool, middle of the road, flexbile RPG, it needs to be good-ish at killing infantry, but visibly worse than frag

[storm bay]

Exactly

[weak geyser]

Heat has the same problem than C4 :

• Too much quantity
• Too powerful
• All in one tool
• Overshadow the other options by a large margin.

[ruby oriole]

Heat doesn't 'overshadow' tandem

It's literally sub par, but still more popular

Frag straight up sucks

so yeah

But yes, you do have too much ammo

[sage fog]

Tbh having 4 of each rocket type would be ideal

Just enough for anything really

[ruby oriole]

4 tandems💀

Yeah, if you nerf them

[sage fog]

I mean like they only dont suck at destroying vehicles

[ruby oriole]

and they are OP at that

Borderline broken

Just inconvinient to use

So people don't do that

[sage fog]

Well yea its pretty inconvenient, which is why 1 extra tandem wont be too bad

Like you cant hit shit past 200m, let alone moving targets reliably past like 75m

Cause of how slow it is

[ruby oriole]

It would be, that's 10k vehicle damage

And you can still take C4 and AV grenades

[sage fog]

Mmm yea you do have a point abt c4
But are AV nades reliable?

Like

I dont think ive been damaged by one

Let alone killed

[ruby oriole]

yeah, they are very good, just not used

[ruby oriole]

They compete for slot with smoke/flash/frag, ofc they will be not used

But they are good, you can fuck up vehicles with them easy

Like, one shot with heat and one AV to the APC ass, 3s of work and easy kill

[sage fog]

Oh wow thats sounds great

How much dmg do they deal?

[ruby oriole]

I didn't figured that out yet

[mortal mauve]

Have you tried using it?

Heat needs a buff too honestly

I have shot people directly in the face and done 0 damage, not even a hit marker, to them

[ruby oriole]

heat?

[mortal mauve]

Yeah

https://youtu.be/ufEviev5iMM?si=F1Np8w7Nr6MeneEY

Should 2 shot infantry fr

[ruby oriole]

Yes, i have like 500+ kills on it

Very good primary

[mortal mauve]

Not really

Secondary at best

If you're against a decent player in a 1v1 you will lose because of ads time

@short verge I think you'll like this thread

[vast dawn]

Oh boy, another “This thing counters my gameplan, nerf/remove it!” Suggestion.

Also the clip you showed is a horrible example. The sniper had bad positioning. He should be punished for that.

[ornate meadow]

you know that's HE right? not HEAT, not FRAG

[vast dawn]

Most of the time you can easily dodge rpg/react to it in time, and as for close range I’d argue it’s no different then someone running in with suicide c4 - if they miss they get punished, same applies here.

Sure we can argue heats not balanced and we should buff frag, nobody disagrees with that. But like.. bad positioning is bad and should be punished, not rewarded.

[mortal mauve]

The only smart person here🙏

We need to stop nerfing stuff because bad players can't counter it

[short verge]

Leave meh rpg alone

[short verge]

Real

[mortal mauve]

They hate us😔

[short verge]

they can’t handle getting blow up

[north sage]

nerf rpg so Dan has to use his gun

[mortal mauve]

I do use my gun

I've gotten like 900 mp7 kills in the past week

[storm bay]

Real

[sage fog]

Real

[mortal mauve]

@short verge how many RPG kills do you have

[short verge]

idk like 11k or something

[mortal mauve]

Damn

I'm still 6k away 😔

[short verge]

[ruby oriole]

By God

[wise quartz]

I agree with an ammo cap. If I die through a wall via RPG, shame on me. But if I'm engaged with someone and dodge an RPG, why should they get to walk their hits in until the radius kills me? You miss, you miss, take out a rifle.

[vast dawn]

So you’re saying you can’t hit someone moving around whilst they reload their RPG? After admitting they missed you?

Also max RPG heats you can carry is 6 (heat/frag) and that’s with heavy armor, something that significantly slows down your movement speed and makes you easier to hit.

This is in addition to the slow ADS/reload times of the rpg itself. Chances are if you used all 6 heats successfully, you’re either turtling/playing defensive (you know.. the point of heavier armors?) or the enemy just can’t be bothered to shoot you.

[spare talon]

Honestly that was comically slow

I don’t care about being perfect to real life but it’s absurd in that clip

They already fly like 1/2 realistic speeds in bbr

This is like 1/8

[austere crystal]

just walk out of the way, duh

[ruby oriole]

Heavy backpack*

[hushed acorn]

Smoke trails on rockets would be pretty cool.

[vast dawn]

Still comes at a decrease in movement speed, making you easier to hit

But yeah I got the two mixed up I am

[sage fog]

My current RPG wishlist:

• Smoke trails
• Backblast (that can kill people)

[ionic oak]

reduce splash damage heavily and give a short range arm time
done. realistic and cuts into antipersonnel spam.
:)

[hushed acorn]

Just swap the infantry damage of heats and frag, suddenly the rpgs are balanced between themselves.

[spare turret]

not that hard to change 🤷‍♂️

[long dirge]

Snipers are pussies and should get owned by every other class, especially engineers. Make rockets more faster and more splody!

[vast dawn]

Nah, most of us already trying to learn, or have learned about the rockets speeds, how we should aim it, etc.

They’re fine, just swap damage values against infantry for heat and frag

[austere crystal]

But that would make sense

[short verge]

noooooooooooooooo

my 20k kills

[hushed acorn]

Bro your 20k is safe, if anything you could grow it to 100k even easier

[short verge]

nuh uh