Add enemy collision

[supple river]

If a guy jumps you from behind a corner then you're dying either way

[winter moat]

speak for urself

[supple river]

The only reason why you win now is that you cram yourself into his hitbox so his gun can't even hit you

[winter moat]

again, speak for urself

[supple river]

Gawd daym i make typo in every other sentence

[winter moat]

and also, none of this is a counter point to the fact itll make actually moving around feel terrible, ur assuming im mad i wont be able to get kills somehow (i will) and not actually talking about collision

collision is already an option on community servers, how many are running it? how popular are they? do u spend all ur playtime on those servers exclusively?

[supple river]

What I'm saying is that you should not be able to push a choke point if there's an enemy literally standing in the doorway

Kill them first then push

[soft forge]

You arent, they kill you.

[winter moat]

no ur not, u said that the pusher would 100% die anyway so why does it matter if theres collision or not?

[supple river]

Right, what I'm trying to say then

Sorry for not being able to express my thoughts properly

[winter moat]

"kill them first" when my point is im talking about tight areas where u dont see an enemy until ur on them, sorry but i think removing any potential to actually out manoeuvre and outplay people and making it just who clicks first and has better ping is bad

[winter moat]

how would i know what ur trying to say? if u cant even verbalise ur own point why are u trying to argue with me

[supple river]

You can still out maneuver people with player collision

[winter moat]

lmao

[supple river]

The current system just lets you clip hitboxes

[winter moat]

yes lemme out manoeuvre the guy when his hitbox takes up the entire corridor

[supple river]

It doesn't feel good to aim at a person only for all your bullets to miss just because he sprinted right into your face so now your barrel sticks out of their back

[brave summit]

Introducing collision for enemies will allow to jump on their heads?

[winter moat]

actual skill issue, u know its a possibility so simply spin and keep shooting them

either way u clearly dont have an actual counter to what i said, u just want to argue for the sake of arguing and i cant be bothered, my bad for giving my opinion in the suggestion thread m8 ur the arbiter of what people are allowed to say and think ig

[supple river]

Weird flex but okay

[winter moat]

literally not a flex

[supple river]

Aight

Not ever gonna challenge your sacred opinion again

Sorry

[old rune]

What did I wake up to

[winter moat]

u didnt challenge it, u made up stuff i never said to tell me im wrong repeatedly rather than just letting my opinion on it stand

[old rune]

This can't be real

[soft forge]

It doesnt feel good to die at all, that doesnt mean damage should be removed from the game

[supple river]

And yet some deaths feel more fair than others

[old rune]

God this game is goingbdown hill fast

[winter moat]

remove headshot multipliers, doesnt feel good dying faster bcos they aimed better :(

[soft forge]

So we should strive to remove all ‘unfair’ deaths?

[winter moat]

someone using current game systems better than u = unfair lmao

[left echo]

This seems like the lean spam fiassco all over again (Easy to use technique that requires more skill to counter than to use and for some reason people will die to protect)

[old rune]

The most unfair of deaths would be like uhhh, snipers form 1000m, obese people with 150hp, random ass nades, random rpg, the mere fact that it's 254 players makes it insanely unfair

[supple river]

To me a more unfair death is from a sniper with an acog with no glint who i cannot counterplay at all than a sniper a km away with a glint who's sightlines i can avoid

[winter moat]

nah, it simply doesnt take more skill to turn around, if an enemy runs straight through u then both of u have to 180 to shoot eachother, and the person being run through is the one already shooting as opposed to the guy still sprinting so u should even have hp advantage

are we gonna remove drop shotting now as well? is it too hard to simply track ur target accurately in an fps game?

[supple river]

Ah yes the "shrink hitbox 4 times" button

[left echo]

And what about the time I heard a man walking up the stairs, held the angle to shoot him only for him to rush inside me, Having my bullets come out his back and beam me? Or the time I was shooting at a enemy player before they phases through a passing friendly and thus not take damage?

[supple river]

"Skill issue"

[left echo]

and yea! Because ttk is so low a drop shot feels a LOT cheaper with what you need to do to counter

Its like fighting a tank with a stick and expecting to win'

[winter moat]

first time is u getting outplayed lol and second im fairly sure u can shoot through teammates so u just missed

[supple river]

By the time you can adjust your aim you're 99% dead

[left echo]

Can't I've tried

[winter moat]

"what u need to do to counter" being pull down, which ur already doing for recoil

[left echo]

Yes the very skilled out play of unknowingly walking into me and having the shorter barrel

[tranquil warren]

i feel like its been iffy, like sometimes my shots go through a teammate, other times they dont

[supple river]

Do you not realize how much of an advantage it is to have the element of suprise with a press of a button

[left echo]

Too late dead already

[supple river]

While also not having to adjust your aim at all

[winter moat]

ghahahahahahahaha thats literally what i was saying in my first comment u argued with incessantly

[tranquil warren]

also i just kinda aim at peeps' legs since if they try to dropshot you, then their head is gonna be going over your crosshair

[winter moat]

idk maybe im just a god and never knew it but simply tracking a target isnt that much of an ask for me in an fps, its not even like its bf4 with zouzou jumping desyncing hitboxes or anything, they literally just lie down

[left echo]

It isn't just tracking but timing and reaction as well, With a game that's ttk can be as low as .3 of a second the time they start to shoot you with their sudden lurch out of your firing angle can be enough to turn a kill to a killed

[winter moat]

so ur just getting outplayed, theyre using a game mechanic and u personally are unable to react to it, and to u that means it should be removed completely?

[supple river]

The average reaction time is 0.25 seconds. There are plenty guns with a ttk faster than that

[soft forge]

Lol cute that you thought they wouldnt unironicaly argue for this

[winter moat]

yeah i shouldve known better, very funny that as soon as i brought it up people come out the woodwork to say how skill issued they are tho lol

[left echo]

Outplaying would be them doing something that doesn't need just the added click of a button to do

[winter moat]

says who? where is it written that outplaying is more than using the tools available to u?

[soft forge]

strange how I have an average reaction time and still barely notice when people drop shot

maybe it is reasonable to expect someone to just get good…

[supple river]

By pressing one button...

[left echo]

Where does it say outplaying has to be a get out of jail free card?

[supple river]

The anwser was so simple all along

[winter moat]

so in a more mechanical game like say league of legends, is using ur spells at the right timing on the right person to kill them not qualify as outplaying them?

[supple river]

I should just dropshot people too

[winter moat]

yeah u should, u seem to think its a massive advantage and i can tell u need it so why not

[left echo]

Why are we talking about league when are are talking about a FPS?

[winter moat]

bcos i brought it up as an example to show u how "pressing a button" is still outplaying people

can u not read?

[left echo]

Can you not understand the difference between these two games?

[winter moat]

???????????????????????????????

[supple river]

You can't kill a player with just one button press in lol from what I've played

[soft forge]

Moron, this is what we call an “analogy”, he is comparing two games, not saying they are the same.

[winter moat]

what is the functional difference where pressing a button in league is different from pressing a button in battlebit? please tell me why buttons suddenly are different

[soft forge]

True, every time i press z in bbr i find that the player nearest to me drops dead

[supple river]

Ngl this is really insufferable

[left echo]

Different games, Were moving from apples to apples to apples to fish

[supple river]

Imma just take the l and have a plesant rest of the day

[winter moat]

no, answer what i said, why is pressing buttons different

[buoyant knoll]

You have to be trolling…

[left echo]

analog as your friend said

[soft forge]

I’ll answer since they are REALLY stupid: The difference is that in league you have to put more thought into when and where you press the button. In bbr you can pretty much always drop no matter what.

[copper fjord]

nah, dropshotting always isnt a good thing

[soft forge]

Here’s a tip, if someone uses an analogy that you dont like instead of saying “THOSE TWO THINGS ARE DIFFERENT THINGS!!!!” say “Those two things arent comparable” and EXPLAIN WHY

[winter moat]

true, i was kinda just using it as a v simple example of how pressing a button is a basic requirement to outplaying someone in a videogame, its literally all u do so why is the guy acting like pressing a button can never = outplaying

[copper fjord]

also it makes you commited in to the fight

[left echo]

Was going to, The thing is I don't play league and forgot what you call those things

(as in the genre

[soft forge]

True, it would be pretty cool if it committed you to the fight more than it does rn so you have to think more about when you do it, but that would need to be balanced by it actually accomplishing something somehow

[mighty lantern]

But you have unrestricted movement, only things that would stop you are walls, bullets and enemy

[copper fjord]

also its effectivity is completely reliant on how good the enemy is so its already a decent roll of the dice

[winter moat]

which is more than we currently have, and can completely shut down ur movement in tight spaces bcos the collision hitbox is the full player hitbox which is massive

[mighty lantern]

Then dont run in tight spaces into enemies and shoot them. Colliding with an enemy just shows how lacking you are.

[winter moat]

call me crazy, but when the game is haemorrhaging players maybe its a bad idea to completely kill off a whole playstyle of many of the players who have stuck around

[mighty lantern]

You have no inertia movement, healing while running, prone to sprint, drop shotting. But god forbid you cant phase through an enemy

[winter moat]

hahaha oh no another "umm ur actually bad if u use game systems to ur advantage" person

[copper fjord]

yeah but watching the enemy try to turn around is funny

[mighty lantern]

No im telling you that you already have these tools, if you your main strat is just to phase through enemies then that shows you are lacking

[winter moat]

where did i even so much as imply its my main strat? its obviously something i make use of when it makes sense to, but u feel the need to try and insult my skill level rather than discuss merits of game systems as they are/as they may be changed to for some reason

[mild iron]

[mighty lantern]

I didnt mean you specifically, pardon me

[winter moat]

what i said still applies, u went straight to calling people bad rather than actually talking about the mechanics in the suggestion thread about the mechanics, overall very weird to insert urself if all u have to offer is "people who make use of no collision are bad lol"

[mighty lantern]

You havent been to inertia thread and it shows

[winter moat]

why would i go to the inertia thread? i dont want inertia added and it isnt being considered to be added any time soon

[old rune]

"you are bad at the game" is a very valid way to invalidate an opinion on balancing

If true

[winter moat]

my point is its not true

making use of game mechanics to ur advantage can never make u a bad player lmao

bar there being some insane assists that play the game for u*

[mighty lantern]

I didnt say using those tools to your advantage makes you bad, im saying that : you already have so many tools that if all it takes is to make enemy collision a thing, it means you lack in skill for a certain part, such as positioning, awareness, map knowledge etc and need to lean on no collision to make up for that lack in skill instead of learning to not rely on it

[sleek quail]

honestly having no collision lowers skill ceilings in fps games, its SUPER easy to run and jump right through someone and shoot them in the back.

its really easy to juke someone out like this no matter the skill level i find, the movement is really hard to react to if done correctly

its easy because you are expecting to phase through them and flick quickly and shoot them in the back, while the other play is usually caught off guard and doesn't have time to react at all

having no collision just makes for a mechanic that players with bad aim can cheese with and use as a crutch

no collision is just lame all around

[quasi jetty]

Why would that lower a skill ceiling? If the other player is caught off guard that implies a greater skill difference.

[thorny pulsar]

I think its the opposite way - casual players have worse movement then veteran players and as such collision would help them. As of now some medic with smg can just run through them and they cant react fast enough.

[sleek quail]

well i think of aim mostly, not movement wise ig, but its easy to have good movement in this game

like really easy

having good aim is harder to achieve

[thorny pulsar]

yes but you dont need good aim when someone is right in front of you - its easier to shoot someone standing in front then someone who can run through you and get behind your back

[winter moat]

exactly, this idea that ur somehow a better player for literally just pressing left click on a straight shot than if u are able to actually outmanoeuvre people with movement and win a gunfight that u would have otherwise lost against someone just standing in a doorway ads'd down a corridor is so ridiculous

[dusky yoke]

I dont think running into someone to trow off their aim is someone playstyle or stratwhat they aim to do

It is more of a last ditch effort to survive when you got caught while healing and wants more time to pull their weapon, or another case when two players simply bump eachother

[winter moat]

u dont think rushing and being able to move freely through enemies is a playstyle that people are using? firstly, what game are u playing bcos it cant be bbr. secondly, if it wasnt something people are doing why would there be any need whatsoever to add collision?

[dusky yoke]

One reason

[winter moat]

i mean ur just wrong, i have ran through people who were standing in a doorway/on stairs/in corridors because i know they have the advantage on me when im sprinting and theyre not, pretending nobody uses it to their advantage is just wrong and u also cant possibly prove thats the case

[dusky yoke]

Aswell some i saw and it still happens is a player with a c4 running trough a crowd ans just droping c4 left or right and having not that much of a risk qhen everyone are fighting or simply cant keep up with someone going trough them while getting shot

[winter moat]

literally what? so first u said it isnt a playstyle people are using and now ur talking about how it is

so my initial point stands

[dusky yoke]

Sorry forgot to add allot in the end

[soft forge]

Running without your gun out dropping c4 that you have to avoid before detonating so you dont die while hoping that NOBODY turns around and notices an enemy 1 meter away is "not that much of a risk"???

[copper fjord]

[dusky yoke]

The only reasons i see on why it should be added was something that had been said already about enemies running trough you and trowing off your aim, aswell making so with being intentional or not can make players that are at a fighting disavantage(either hurt or healing themselfs and being unable to fight back) able to just be on top by still being agressive and run trough an enemy
About the c4 part was some overreaction(and wrong usage of words) but using a c4 in a crowd and being able to move around that free it is something that can happen and while you are puting yourself at risk it makes you be able to move around without being detected at all until you use the first c4 and you are killed after by the enemies or you killed yourself in the process

Also if is true that the bullets comes out of your weapon and not your eyes you are at a disavantage if you have a longer weapon than your enemy, altough puting collision boxes wont help that much since you cant create space with an enemy with the same level of effectiveness since you will just bump into eachother and do that 20 yard stare

Also something i forgot to point our
Something like this can be removed by the devs if it doesnt work, they already did with the map poll change

Im gonna be honest i kinda dont care if we get hitbox or not outside that the hitbox can make some fun moments
By i am on the boat to try it out on those ocassions that happens alot in some maps qhen i dont want to play support and be agressive

Or those that i play support and get caught by a marauding medic

[winter moat]

collision is already an option on community servers, is it being used on lots of them? are the ones using it popular? are all the people so happy about collision being added spending all their playtime on these community servers? should the people who dont care about/dont want it added just have it forced onto them anyway?

[soft forge]

1. Someone throwing off your aim is not inherently bad. In this case both players are on relatively equal footing, as the stationary player can see the moving player running towards them, and thus can predict that they are going to go through them.

2. I dont know if you have just never tried throwing C4 on a group of people but you are absolutely not able to move freely until you blow up the first C4. You have to be very careful with how you move to prevent yourself from being noticed, and even then its rare that no one will see you.

3. Bullets coming from the barrel of the gun is not significant. Nobody stops moving as soon as they enter the model of another person. This is not a strategy that people use. When you run through someone the amount of time you spend behind their barrel becaue of no collision is negligible, the rest is because of the reaction time it takes to turn around.

[winter moat]

nobody who is still playing the game is going to quit now if collision is not added, some of the people still playing very well may quit if their playstyle is randomly nerfed for no reason when no one was asking for it. alienating a significant part of ur remaining playerbase is clearly not a good change to make when the game is constantly bleeding players over time

[soft forge]

I wouldnt say adding collision would kill a playstyle altogether (depending on how its implemented), but I don't think slowly chipping away at it with things like collision, inertia, nerfing medic etc. is a very good idea to say the least.

It feels like the community wants to slowly remove or change all the little things about the playstyle that come together to make it fun, and it feels like the devs are starting to listening to them more and more.

[winter moat]

yeah it sucks to see, very weird to listen to people who just want to play a different kind of fps than what bbr is and the players who like bbr as it is just get shafted for it

[solid kindle]

damn if this gets added i cant get my rediculous killstreaks with S-C4. 💀

oh well

[dusky yoke]

You do have a point there

A good one actually

I take that because i have seen a game in that situation and it was sad seeing it lose a shit ton of players

Even if it was necessary it fidnt had a good look with the majority of the community

And it was something that pros wanted

[balmy jay]

community will just cope and still love the game anyways

[dusky yoke]

Dont underestimate when a community doesnt get what they want

Specially if it wasnt the first time

[balmy jay]

we wanted maid skin

[dusky yoke]

Unless is the warhammer fans

[dusky yoke]

This is the best change i saw

It is my life mission to get it or i will use suicide v4 and quit the game

[weary cloud]

heresy!!!!

[gritty basin]

Enemy collision is a basic mechanic implemented in every fps. The fact tht bbr was lacking it is very ********d

And the fact that there is even a discussion about it makes it something beyond "*"***d for which there is yet to be a word

Like, holy shit, what is there to discuss, its like not implementing ability to jump

[neon girder]

Say the word we all adults here

Don’t gotta censor yourself

[gritty basin]

Unfortunately you do

[mighty lantern]

This made me think about C4 runs, where you run through multiple groups of enemies and drop C4s while you run past them. If game had enemy collision those C4 runs would require a bit more skill to effectively pull-off as you'd have to dodge enemies while dropping C4s. Currently its just run through your enemy and drop C4 instead of needing some skill to pull off a big C4 run.

[spiral plover]

red why ya change your name & profile picture?

[gritty basin]

See, it got removed

[spiral plover]

also Mornin mornin

[neon girder]

Can’t make fun of ox1gen anymore bc he don’t post enough

[gritty basin]

It got removed, told you

[neon girder]

I deleted it

lol

[gritty basin]

Why

[neon girder]

Because I’m on my 99th stole with this moderation group

[spiral plover]

(could've swore I saw warhammer for a second somewhere in here)

[spiral plover]

so what does that mean?

[neon girder]

They actively want to find any reason to get rid of me

I get banned for posting reactions in here

[spiral plover]

😦

[mighty lantern]

Like you do have instant turns with 0 movement loss, so why not make C4 runs take some dodging to accomplish.

[neon girder]

^ this won’t change anything I promise

Just a feature being rushed to market we didn’t need

[copper fjord]

i wonder if they are going to revert any of these changes once hardcore gets released

[mighty lantern]

Probably not since they arent really "hardcore" features.

Same with enemy collision

Enemy collision is pretty standard for an fps game

[bright oak]

What community servers have collision now?

[copper fjord]

is there even active com servers that implement hardcore features

[mighty lantern]

There was probably like only a few which basically were just 2x damage

[bright oak]

But can they add enemy collision with api?

[mighty lantern]

Probably, but majority are using community servers for the official experience instead of some non-official funky stuff

OCE is kind of stuck since they got like 2 community server providers and only one of them is vanilla other is some Cod killstreak server

[copper fjord]

cod killstreak?

[stoic mason]

No

[spiral plover]

like UAVs & such if I had to guess

[small crescent]

Send it if its shit, roll it back. We playing an early access indie dev game for a reason

[spiral plover]

true

worse case roll it back, second best case it requires some easy adjustments

[small crescent]

"roll it back" is easier said that done, and the emotional damage done to players cant be undone.. but id rather try new things than.. not. Battlebit is kind of a game based on "does this work? could be fun".

[dusky yoke]

Best scenario qould be a beta branch with the changes

But idk how difficult is to do it

And we are in a early access game

[spiral plover]

true,hmm

How much can server owners change their own servers currently?

[dusky yoke]

No ideia because i keep joing in one where spawns are less than 1 seconds

I hate it so much

[jade widget]

why?

i like short respawn time

[worldly patrol]

I feel like collision will kill this game. Even if its just enemy collision.

[spiral plover]

why collision in particular?

[woven bobcat]

honestly i don't think this is a good idea try it after the free weekend just be ready to roll it back this could cause major issues getting through doors and up stairs

[stoic mason]

Just roll back the players who left the game so easy

[dusky yoke]

kill a squad with a grenadr
sees one running away
give chase
turn the corner and the entire squad just respawned on him

Lose the point

[jade widget]

but u get to spawn so quickly as well!

[sand merlin]

It would be really annoying when trying to maneuver in close quarters. Imagine turning a corner and actually running into a player and stopping rather than keeping your momentum, or running up a spiral staircase and just getting stopped. I feel like it would take a bit of fun out of the game.

I do agree that it would make the speed meta less viable. But is the speed meta really that bad? (Yes I've been on both sides)

I suppose if it didn't stop your momentum and simply pushed your hitboxes apart it would be fine. But I don't think that there should be hard collision between players.

[winter moat]

its bound to be very annoying if they randomly add after this long and with how big players hitboxes are and how small building interiors are. it feels like a very odd choice when the playerbase is consistently getting smaller and smaller to give a massive nerf to the playstyle of many players who have stuck around all this time

just using the rough numbers from the poll and assuming all no voters quit eventually over collision feeling bad and changing how they play, its at least a third of the playerbase, for a while our 24h peak was below 6k, do we really wanna lose more players over something that wasnt even being asked for?

[sand merlin]

That's why I think that "soft" collision might be fine. As a max speed player (I use pickaxe with max speed), hard collision would make the gameplay so much less fun, but soft collision, if done correctly, could work.

[winter moat]

yeah if it was a small hitbox somewhere in the middle of ur model and didnt stop u dead in place but just kinda bounced u off the enemy itd probably be okay

but something tells me theyll just ship what community servers have to official servers which will be bad

[fading cipher]

Why are we stopping at just an enemy collision. We should also add an effect to anyone who is sprinting and hits an enemy so they get punished for running into someone. Like some sort of knocking effect that pushes their gun to the side as if they bumped into them.

[dusky yoke]

Thats the best option for both parties ngl

[soft river]

If I'm gonna be hard stopped bumping into a proned support can I get a vault over him option

[dusky yoke]

We can make a human tower with that

[neon girder]

Could be good idea, maybe like a stun feature for clumsiness similar to Brigette’s shield from Overwatch

[sand merlin]

that would be funnly lol. terrible for the net code, but funny

[winter moat]

this is the most skill issued thing ive ever seen, u dont just want to already have the advantage by being ready to shoot vs sprinting, u dont just want to take away the outplay potential from the sprinting guy running through u, u also feel the need to literally not allow the sprinting guy to shoot back?

[soft river]

If I'm gonna die horribly due to it I might as well laugh 😃

[fading cipher]

Yes. If you're rushing around you should be punished.

[winter moat]

why

[neon girder]

Bc they are abusing the stupid movement

[winter moat]

"oh ur actually moving around and playing the objective? fuck u ur not allowed to ever fight back against me sitting round a corner waiting for u"

[fading cipher]

Yeah it's abusing the crazy op movement some people like to use

[winter moat]

sprinting = stupid movement? the takes in this thread are actually insane

[sand merlin]

My guess is you see that all the good players use high speed builds and don't like that they're better than you. So you want some way of nerfing them without nerfing you

[sand merlin]

You can still kill them if you have good tracking. They can't shoot while they're sprinting

[winter moat]

again, sprinting = crazy op movement? lmao

[neon girder]

Yes medics are fast asf with smgs and no armor and supports are slow with their 4 guns and 150% armor fuck medics I want more movement

And 19 grenades

[sand merlin]

less armor = more speed. Either ditch the armor or play a different class

[neon girder]

And infinite ammo

[winter moat]

u can have more movement, u cannot have more movement AND massive armor, why tf should medics be nerfed for ur class choice?

[neon girder]

No make class faster and BR’s aren’t overpowered

[sand merlin]

don't forget to the buff to the exo

[neon girder]

No make exo armor movement like Tony Starks Iron Man suit

[winter moat]

"waaaaahhhh i wanna run as fast as the guy with no armor on while i wear exo and carry a hmg weaaaaaahhhhhhh"

[fading cipher]

Anyway back on topic I think there should be an effect for the sprinter running around the corner and bumping into someone. Maybe just make it for support cause they're tanky

[winter moat]

no bcos u dont have any good reason for this, u literally called sprinting "crazy op movement" to try and justify this atrocious take

[fading cipher]

Like aren't you supposed to be playing tactical anyway and not just jumping into buildings? This would only effect people going oonga boonga

[winter moat]

no? where are u getting the impression this is a tactical game?

[neon girder]

Me with the FAL and Exo Armor finally dropping 400 kills on Valley

[stoic mason]

Sad How this gem of a game is turning into a souless fps game everyday

[neon girder]

Oh forgot to say during f2p weekend

!!!

[stoic mason]

Every suggestion is like lets turn the game more like this one

Sad

[fading cipher]

Anyway back on topic, If someone were to be jumping through a window where someone is already at with this collision it should push the person vaulting back over the window or make them stuck right?

[sand merlin]

that's what I'm trying to avoid

[neon girder]

So glad @hard beacon is having a good time at DreamHack West

[sand merlin]

that would just suck

[winter moat]

fr, they dont even want to play battlebit and its the people who actually like the game getting punished for it

[sand merlin]

I play the one weapon that actually needs fixing and you don't hear me complaining

[fading cipher]

You're against collision?

[stoic mason]

They should go back to their squad

[hard beacon]

it was Winter

[sand merlin]

not completely. "soft" collision would be fine, where your hitboxes repulse each other, but hard collision would ruin the playstyle of a lot of players

[hard beacon]

and im back home and working by now

[winter moat]

so many bad players constantly crying for nerfs to the playstyle of people better than them, but they dont realise theyll still be worse even if i cant run through u

[fading cipher]

I mean I'm pretty sure that's what we all want they're people ur running into not a wall

[winter moat]

its absolutely not what we all want or what we will be getting

[neon girder]

Close enough but glad you had good time

[fading cipher]

I think people who are vaulting should be just not given the option to vault if someone's at the window, only fair right?

[sand merlin]

But I'm saying that if you were to vault into them (say through a window), you wouldn't get shoved back out the window you would both get shoved apart.

[winter moat]

why is that fair? u can just prone at a window and never have to worry about being pushed?

[neon girder]

I think they should fuse together like protons and explode

[fading cipher]

Could go that route or just no vaulting at all

[sand merlin]

No vaulting would ruin the game

[winter moat]

no vaulting hahahahahahah these people man

really just bold faced asking to remove basic game mechanics for no reason whatsoever

[fading cipher]

Huh did you read

I mean no vaulting if someones at the window

[winter moat]

yes, u said "no vaulting at all" with 0 context

[fading cipher]

Nah I did if you read up

[winter moat]

no u literally didnt, but whatever, its a terrible take regardless of any context, why are u so intent on not letting people go through windows? is ur entire playstyle crouching by a window all game?

[fading cipher]

No I main medic

And shift w

[winter moat]

u evidently dont by the things u have said in this thread

[sand merlin]

Right now with how vaulting is (you move at a set speed over the obstacle), I would think that you couldn't be shoved while vaulting. This would mean that you would shove them out of the way while you were vaulting but when the vaulting animation ended you would also start colliding with the enemy. This would mean that you would enter the window but end up between them and the window

[winter moat]

u literally called sprinting "crazy op movement"

[fading cipher]

May seem so but ya. I'm top 200 kills on leaderboard medic only player

You're new here so I can see ur confusion

[winter moat]

what does ur kill count have to do with anything being talked about?

[winter moat]

hahahahahhaha how am i new? oh pls explain that one

[fading cipher]

No tags

[sand merlin]

true, but you also don't understand balancing as well as other people (talking to you to the rat, Boston)

[fading cipher]

Probably less than 500hs played on launch game

[winter moat]

wow i have no tags in a discord server that i only use to look at game updates, uve got me now

[sand merlin]

both of you go to general to argue

[winter moat]

my guy YOU have less than 500 hours played

is this how desperate u are to get away from my criticism of ur takes?

[fading cipher]

Anyway true back on topic I'm not here to debate with you

[winter moat]

yeah sorry im done

[fading cipher]

Go away or DM me

[mellow solstice]

I think players should not be able to move at all, just pick their fixed spots on start of the game and shoot

[sand merlin]

Sniper only

About vaulting with soft collision: I don't think that you should be able to shove them (or them shove you) while you're vaulting. If you could shove them (like I said above) while vaulting, that would actually give you an advantage since you would be moving predictably but they wouldn't (since they would be getting shoved by your hitbox). If your hitbox didn't have collision until you finished the vaulting animation then there would be predictable movement from the enemy and the person vaulting.

After the animation ended and your collision came back then you would both be moving from the collision and the fight would be more fair

ALSO: please don't add collision for friendlies. This could lead to tolls pushing people who are holding angles or windows, or snipers that they got sniped by, ruining the experience for them.

Another note: Don't make the hitboxes be able to shove in the vertical direction, only horizontal (if this is even implemented). If they shoved in the vertical direction you might get stuck floating above somebody you jumped down on, instead of landing next to them.

[clever patio]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[dusky yoke]

Thats just evil lmao

Teammates blocking your line of sight its already bad enough

[mild iron]

#dev-wip message
Decisions would probably be this easy if Oki just started using
👉 https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/419375666954502144

[agile zealot]

Yes Oki do it!

[lone turtle]

Oof. Pls no. I dont want to get blocked by a toxic shooter community🥲

Wait. Is this only for eneny players?

[mild iron]

yes..

[lone turtle]

🤔🤯

Okay Oki

Do it

[agile zealot]

first time you run into someone
"Oh shit I'm sorry..."

[lone turtle]

I would do that

I am a polite fella

[bleak gust]

Do you think that drones would also be affected by enemy collisions? I bet it would change up drone bombing a lot

[sick anchor]

It should only be for:
Enemy players who are standing still and are not prone
Enemy players who have a riot shield out.
Enemy players wearing the exo chestplate who are not prone

[dry rose]

This would slow down the game too much tbh. Not too keen on any collision

[sick anchor]

I don't think so, definitely not with my idea

[forest cape]

I'd be down for enemy collision, but I think it should be experimental. Rapid roll back if necessary.

And I agree that the riot shield should always have collision, even if broad collision ends up not moving forward.

[sick anchor]

The only thing that definitely should have it is enemy players with a riot shield out
*by definitely I mean that I can see no way that it could have a negative impact on the game

[pliant lodge]

Yeah the riot shield doesn't work without it

[slate crater]

Lil off topic but the riot shield should give you some protection on your back when its not being held, that would give people a reason to actually equip it

[jagged garnet]

then become a new armor meta just for people to complain it gets nerfed the week after

[strong inlet]

Is player collision when you can’t run through their body? And you can’t go through a doorway if they’re there?

[rain hare]

kinda stupid to have player collision when the movement speed is alr fast

[mellow imp]

Adding enemy collisions is stupid

I experienced enemy collisions in a community server

[chrome hound]

elaborate

[mellow imp]

The game experience is terrible

[mild iron]

Does not elaborate on why it would be a bad idea, but says his opinion on the matter instead.

[mellow imp]

127v127 Adding enemy collisions is really bad

[mild iron]

How?

[mellow imp]

I'm sure you don't want your teammates blocking your way

I'm sure there are people who would love to do that

[mild iron]

you don't understand the suggestion at all.

[mellow imp]

Like the kind of guy who likes to throw flashbangs at the beginning of a game

[quiet scaffold]

it would most likely be enemy only
youll still phase thru teammates

in the API you could actually set that

[slim basalt]

enemy collisions means you cant enter a clump to annihilate them with c4 so i dont want it.

[small crescent]

simply make them corpses first

[quiet scaffold]

corpses dont block bullets anymore sadly

[small crescent]

bodies are fairly non bulletproof

..Ive heard

[mighty lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/hmmm-gif-26520567

[quaint tendon]

Toss it at the ground bro

You telling me you run through rat pits or around em?

[slim basalt]

ill be killed they would see me if i get stuck on them.

[brisk shell]

Related; I've been using the sledge hammer a lot recently (about 80 kills in a week and one trick I learned with it is trying to cross up people (like in a fighting game) so they can't aim at you.
I agree I'd like to see the riot shield being able to block enemies as it sounds like a fun and rewarding way to use the shield.
I think it would also make sense for enemies who are standing still (checking on strafe/front back movement) and one of either firing weapon or not firing weapon.

[small crescent]

The more conditions you add to "solid or not" the more you have to consider and discern in a very short time. In the same vein that, not being able to easily see armor can change the ttk, being uncertain of what is an obstacle or not would be, annoying.

If i see an enemy and i know i cant run through them, i can act on that. If they can go prone or strafing at the right speed or, aiming down sights, it makes it harder to understand what your options are.

[quaint tendon]

Ideally with collision you'd just be pushed away or around then

[small crescent]

Make em hard, lemme play with it, see how it goes

[slim basalt]

i would die and i know that very well and because i will be hurt by such a change i will not want it.

[fading flower]

Yes, this should be added! Doesn’t make sense to run through an enemy.

[mellow solstice]

True true, you can't do that irl right

[stoic mason]

The game is all about immersion and realism!!! DO IT NOW

[gilded spindle]

I am officially overriding the votes for this decision

[kind badger]

I mean, its fun to run through enemies when it works out in my favor, but when someone clips thru me and I either don't see them, or they just continue to clip thru me and practically exploit it...
||Please add collision for enemies lol.||

[gilded spindle]

so turn around lol

[kind badger]

Which is basically my entire stance on the momentum issue as well: It's nice to have no intertia when you are using it as intended, but when you turn into a gnat flying around a teamate rezzing them in a milsim game it's just stupid.

[kind badger]

Exploit being the keyword. Like repeatedly doing it.

To the point where its obnoxious

[gilded spindle]

so jump to the side

[kind badger]

better question is, imo, what harm does adding it really cause, honestly?

This isn't titanfall though chief.

Like I get cqc but i don't see people saying to turn this game into a movement shooter

idk why people like to treat it like it's one

[gilded spindle]

it already is a movement shooter

if you cant out maneuver your enemy you die

[narrow grove]

this is a tactical milsim shooter not a zoomer movement shooter

[kind badger]

I think mobility is part of it. If it was just mobility cover, destructible or walls, ground deployables, etc and spawn beacons and the like would lose a lot of value

[gilded spindle]

no its not

[kind badger]

fucking thank you lol

idk why this is a "controversial" opinion

[gilded spindle]

because its not true

you do understand there is going to be a hardcore mode with the milsim shit right?

[kind badger]

Yes.

[gilded spindle]

so the core game is not a tactical milsim

[quaint tendon]

It's not a movement shooter highkey, idk why people think it is. Good positioning dictates a gunfight more often than not.

[gilded spindle]

oki has already said that rn it is mixed elements but those elements will be split later on

[quasi jetty]

Having movement doesn’t mean it is a movement shooter but not being a movement shooter doesn’t mean it shouldn’t have movement

[kind badger]

i thought the intention was to add a hardcore mode with more realism, like friendly fire, different TTKs, building times, no respawning on teamates

[gilded spindle]

"Will there be a hardcore mode?
In the future, we will introduce a MilSim mode, which will have more hardcore elements. The current game is a mix of casual & light-hardcore elements. We may split these, to have a full casual mode, and separate milsim mode."

[quasi jetty]

I would say a movement shooter requires a bit more nuance to its mechanics than turning around instantly

But were this game to add wall jumping and things like that, I think it would be one

[gilded spindle]

wall jumping is dumb

[quasi jetty]

Agreed

[kind badger]

I agree, and movement has a place. The game shouldn't (imo) feel like you have cinderblocks tied to you, but clipping through players has 90% of the time made me feel underwhelmed or frustrated

[quasi jetty]

I like clipping through players because you don’t rely on their movement being predictable to do what you want to do

[kind badger]

like clipping thru a person, flailing my mouse and getting a kill doesn't feel good. Nor does getting killed in that circumstance, hence why i'm biased towards having collision

[quasi jetty]

Yeah I’m the opposite :D

Collision would be ok if it didn’t really interrupt movement, but it will

[quaint tendon]

Medic and engi just literally bypasses the need for cover most of the time because of how fucking fast they can move lol

[gilded spindle]

most of the complaints i see based around anything to do with movement is just that the people complaining can't compete and want it to be removed so they don't have to worry about dying to it

[kind badger]

But i'm not deadset on that. like teamate collision should def be off imo (for normal modes) but opponent clipping is very debatable

I don't die to it often, but getting kills from it doesn't feel skillful

It just feels like I flung my mouse off my table harder lol

[quasi jetty]

To me it seems more like they just don’t like the idea of it because it’s not what they enjoy in games. Which is fair enough

[gilded spindle]

being able to quickly do a 180 and snap onto the enemy before they snap onto you is skill

[kind badger]

Yeah, I don't disagree that aiming is part of it, but compared to playing around an enemy, a physical entity that you can't clip thru, it feels unsatisfying imo

[gilded spindle]

not to me

[kind badger]

And thats a part of literally any situation in shooters really imo

[quasi jetty]

The shooter game I’ve played the most does have collision with enemies but you kinda just slide past them so it’s not noticeable outside of very specific scenarios. So I don’t like the idea of colliding with the enemy if it means they can block a doorway or something

[kind badger]

^I would like to see this, "soft collision"

[quasi jetty]

Or if it means you can’t jump into a pile of them and not stick out

[gilded spindle]

^

[kind badger]

Where it pushes off enemies but you aren't running against eachother like solid objects

[quaint tendon]

If you didn't literally open their 180 to every degree of possible positioning by walking literally through them it would be skillful imo

[gilded spindle]

if i cant jump into a pile of enemies and kill them ion want it

[quaint tendon]

You just dizzy'd them by walking through him, not a high bar

[kind badger]

^yes thats my issue with it

[gilded spindle]

their fault for getting confused

[kind badger]

there are cheap low skill strats

Ok the trolling is strong im just gonna ignore mime here and try to have an actual conversation that isn't "git gud just dont get confused"

[gilded spindle]

not my fault if they panic and don't make the correct decision

[quasi jetty]

If someone runs into me I just jump and track them by default

It is not as though you can’t see where they’re going

[gilded spindle]

exactly

[fading cipher]

Riot sheild should have heavy damage resistance to explosives from the front too

[gilded spindle]

if they panic and can't keep their cool then that is their own issue

[kind badger]

^thats my default at this point too.My big issue is that you have issues where an enemy just kinda stands in you and swerves back thru you repeatedly

[quaint tendon]

It's not, but acting like it's a skillful outplay is like imo wild since It really doesn't require any skill to be 100.

[quasi jetty]

I’ve never seen someone good enough at doing that that it lets them survive a mag dump

Hipfire bullets come from pretty close to your body

[gilded spindle]

it does require skill though, especially if its something others have trouble doing

[kind badger]

I haven't seen a lot, but there have been a few situations where I turn while spraying, and they'te clipping thru me again

[quaint tendon]

Running through a player model?

[quasi jetty]

Jump and look at a downwards angle and you basically can’t miss, if they do that

[gilded spindle]

if they can't turn and kill them then yes

[kind badger]

Which you can't counterplay when you outright can't see them due to the clipping issue. Hence why I like soft collision; Being slowed but not fully blocked would be a nice imbetween

Yeah, I've noticed the jumping helps a LOT with it

but god I still find it just a nusiance honestly

[gilded spindle]

yeah lets just slow them so people can just hipfire and kill them

[quasi jetty]

Jumping brings your gun to hip fire position faster which is the main reason I do it by default at close ranges

[quaint tendon]

They literally can though lmao, there's no skill depth to it. It's just a reaction time diff

[gilded spindle]

yeah and that is skill

[quasi jetty]

Reaction time is a form of skill - but so is flicking onto someone

[gilded spindle]

reaction time is a huge part of FPS's

[kind badger]

The point is to not try to run through the guy aiming in your direction with a gun. Like I said, not a movement shooter chief

[gilded spindle]

your solution is still bad

[quaint tendon]

Reaction time isn't really super trainable for the majority of people

[kind badger]

I dont doubt there's a place for those features, but i've literally seen nobody advocate for these kinds of things in any other shooter, for good reason.

[serene tundra]

This bbr isn't a milsim 😭

[gilded spindle]

okay then lets add some sort of nerf to remove reaction time when someone rounds a corner and sees an enemy

[quaint tendon]

Due to bullshit like genetics yadayadayadayada. I'm not Aimer or Voltaic, I'm not getting into that deadass

[serene tundra]

Mutual ra press x to doubt

[gilded spindle]

its a FPS 70% of it is reaction time

[serene tundra]

😭

[gilded spindle]

if the game is too hard for you then go play call of duty

[quaint tendon]

I'd say 40% but sure

[kind badger]

Not claiming this mode is, just that having insanely high speed doesn't seem to be what they're going for in their design. Just feels like a smal group of players who want to exploit insane movement control and fly through enemies like they aren't there to their advantage. Which goes against the design choices along the lines of deployable cover, riot shields, leaning around cover.

[quasi jetty]

Disagree that it’s that high for a game like this

Otherwise I’d be kinda trash :)

[gilded spindle]

it absolutely is

[kind badger]

Fr

If anything I think fully removing collisions from most shooters makes skill less of an issue in terms of strategy, and just replaces it with reaction speed. I think the average player would not prefer that, but maybe i'm wrong there

[quaint tendon]

Fr, I'm at like 200ms to 170ms and that's literally because my ADHD doesn't know when to lock the fuck in

[gilded spindle]

so what im getting from this discussion is you want a slower paced milsim shooter

[vernal tartan]

https://tenor.com/view/me-too-me-too-kid-incredibles-gif-19919940

[kind badger]

Usually you have one or the other. not both. and rn this game has both and it can be a major turn off

Not even slower paced. Lots of shooters can be fast paced without having collision

[serene tundra]

How is getting run through a vrt check in the first place its not like these mfs are ps2 nac infils 😭

[quaint tendon]

Nah, saying running through someone is a skill is just false.

[quasi jetty]

If anything I think fully removing collisions from most shooters makes skill less of an issue in terms of strategy, and just replaces it with reaction speed. I think the average player would not prefer that, but maybe i'm wrong there

Don’t take us for fools. We can see the subliminal messaging.

[kind badger]

Tf2 is considered fast past by most people; has collision. Titanfall has it ad well. Most shooters I play have collision, because the people who play it dislike being disoriented by players inside of them

[quaint tendon]

Because it's usually smg players coming in at light speed who do it

[kind badger]

OH SHIT HES ONTO ME

[serene tundra]

Bitch you still have eyes

[kind badger]

Fr though I think I win most cqc fights, they just aren't fun as is imo

[quasi jetty]

I find them quite fun

[quaint tendon]

IM NOT EVEN SAYING I HAVE A ISSUE WITH IT

[quasi jetty]

Neat test of aim mixed with reactions

[gilded spindle]

collision is just another excuse people are throwing out to explain why they aren't as good as they would like

[quaint tendon]

I'm just saying it's not a skill or mechanic to master

[kind badger]

I enjoy having an excuse to do that I will admit... like I said, that can be done with soft collision/full collision tho imo

[quaint tendon]

Literally bounce through the dude and 180

A button press and a mouse swipe

[quasi jetty]

This is just not the case though

How good people are generally doesn’t influence their opinions on this kind of thing that much.

[gilded spindle]

thats all FPS's are

[kind badger]

thats my main issue, is the people who really care abt having no collision ate probably gonna abuse it

[quasi jetty]

This is also just a really meaningless argument

[kind badger]

Bevause most players just dont have it happen unless theyre running thru a doorway with an enemy at thr same time, or theyre intentionally abusing it

[quasi jetty]

I would say it’s more accurate to refer to it as “using it” rather than abuse. Because this is intended behaviour.

[gilded spindle]

cool so we add enemy collision and instead it comes down to who can hipfire first

so much skill

[quaint tendon]

There's no real timing involved is my point. There's no other mechanic involved on the player end that makes it difficult to do or master

[kind badger]

And the former rarely happens for me so far - I'm not gonna lie, a lot of that is my playstyle.

[kind badger]

True

[quasi jetty]

Not necessarily

That’s only what happens if running into people is like running into a wall

[kind badger]

And again, thats why I like soft collision. Going past enemies with momentum would allow that behavior

[gilded spindle]

in the doorway scenario

[quasi jetty]

What happens in this doorway scenario again, that’s been thrown around a few times

[kind badger]

And it wouldnt throw things off much at all I imagine. Whereas no collision/resistance can have weird issues

[quaint tendon]

Man if you don't jump away from the door and lean

[gilded spindle]

cc @quasi jetty

[kind badger]

Yea thats why I like soft collision; I've played a few shooters with that feel and i'm quite fond of them

[quasi jetty]

Collision doesn’t have to mean both players can’t go through the doorway

[kind badger]

I think (with hard collision) most players cant fit tho as is

I think?

[gilded spindle]

either there is full collision and it comes down to who hipfires first or you slightly add momentum when passing through an enemy and it still comes down to who can turn and snap on faster

if you add too much momentum it just goes back to who can hipfire first and who has the faster DPS

[quasi jetty]

Personally I’m biased towards tabg movement, but in tabg a lot of fights are literally right in their face and collisions isn’t an issue at all except in the case one of their body parts traps your gun, but that wouldn’t be a thing here.

Because your characters collide but where they technically “are” keeps moving anyway, the collision only pushes your body parts out of the way and you can keep moving. So it just looks like you moved around each other from your POV, and it absolutely doesn’t take the skill out of the fights

[kind badger]

Yeah, I'd prefer to have soft collision where enemies can clip eachother with resistance. Like you have to "run" into an enemy for it to happen, if you try to do it repeatedly or stay clipping into an enemy it won't work, etc. Because those circumstances where you run past someone and turn around to fire are enjoyable when people aren't being goofy af with the collision

[gilded spindle]

ok so instead of a 180 degree turn I now just have to do a 90 degree turn and shoot

all you did was make my mouse move less

because now im going around them instead of through them

[kind badger]

A good example too yeye

[quasi jetty]

What they did is made the game feel more sensible to them - is moving your mouse a bit less an issue?

[quaint tendon]

And now it's predictable

[gilded spindle]

their entire argument is based on doing a 180 degree turn faster or getting confused

[quaint tendon]

This just sounds like slide canceling debate part 2 now lol

[quasi jetty]

Or just that clipping through each other looks weird and doesn’t make sense

Same thing as the lean spam debate I guess

[quaint tendon]

But with block men jumping this time

[kind badger]

Its funny cuz its true

[gilded spindle]

its a video game, it doesn't have to make sense

lots of things in this game don't make sense

[kind badger]

It doesn't have to, but most people prefer if it does with these issues

[quasi jetty]

However as the game is not an abstract collection of gyrating shapes, I’d say there’s something to be said for it.

[kind badger]

These issues, but not all, mind you.

[gilded spindle]

i think this is just one of those things that people think they want but in reality they don't

[quaint tendon]

I wouldn't mind try it to see if it sucks or not

[gilded spindle]

a chinese server owner said they turned collision on in their server and it was awful

[kind badger]

the main thing to consider here is how many players would enjoy vs dislike this kinda feature; follow the fun. Most people I play with dislike having no collision, including myself and the 3 or 4 friends i've played with, not to mention all the randoms who i've heard get pissed after they get killed in these situations

[quaint tendon]

Bet

So where's the test for NA?

[gilded spindle]

there is no test

community servers tried it and didn't like it so no one uses it

[quaint tendon]

People also said that exo armor is a detriment to support and we see where that leeds us lol

[quasi jetty]

Personally I’m a big fan of realism in games, and that is realism in how the player interacts with their environment given the rules of the world the game has set up (not realism according to real life standards). It adds a lot imo

So if we could find a solution to add some form of collision that didn’t make the game less fun I’d be all for it

[gilded spindle]

i dont think it exists

i think it just trades issues for others

or doesn't actually fix the issue that is trying to be solved

[quaint tendon]

"dont think"

So you don't have a guarantee outside of one dude on a server in a region I don't play on.

[quasi jetty]

Whether or not it fixes it could be answered by simply asking the question, “would we still be complaining about it”?

[quaint tendon]

People complain about anything that momentarily upsets the game flow until they adapt and do well again

[gilded spindle]

it doesn't matter what region lmao

[gilded spindle]

the complaints would just shift

[quasi jetty]

Yeah, but if the problem isn’t this then that’s probably a good thing

[kind badger]

softtt collisionnnn
fr though unless you're casually walking thru people mid firefight soft collision is the happy medium where enemies don't feel like brick walls nor like they're ghosts

[gilded spindle]

right but it doesn't solve the issue because you both still have to turn faster to get the kill

[soft forge]

What would soft collision even accomplish? You can still run through enemies.

[kind badger]

But you can't abuse it

That's the issue i've seen. People abusing the fuck out of it

[gilded spindle]

of course we can still abuse it

[soft forge]

If anything you can abuse it more, soft collision would make movement harder to predict

[kind badger]

...no?

[gilded spindle]

just go prone mid air to drop down quicker then prone to sprint

[stoic mason]

I really wish those dmr users would "collision" more

[kind badger]

Do you wanna make your argument why?

[soft forge]

Also where are these people that “abuse” no collision? Does anyone actually sit inside of the enemy other than like proning in a pile?

[kind badger]

I've gotten killed by smg medics who swerve in and out of your body like insane more than once.

[gilded spindle]

yeah so when i jump on a pile of enemies instead of just sitting in the pile i will surf over the top of them like im riding a wave

[kind badger]

It's always the same kind of players

Literally just dm'd a friend mentioning this, word for word:

"enemy collision would definitely make encounters with Adderall SMG medics more bearable"

[soft forge]

idk man, i play on frontline servers a lot and i dont even notice when people do this

[gilded spindle]

same

it doesnt happen as often as people thing it does

[stoic mason]

Man, where are those smg medics in my frontline servers

[gilded spindle]

its just one of those things they notice more because they dont like it

[stoic mason]

I only get support proning and dmr

[gilded spindle]

so they pay more attention to it

well im glad we got all this sorted

no enemy collision

[kind badger]

It doesn't happen often but it doesn't mean it's not an issue chief lol

[sick anchor]

I don't care either way but it needs to be added for the riot shield

[kind badger]

It's the fact that how enemies behave goes out of the window when it does that is frustrating and unfun to play against. Soft collision compromises on the ability to slide thru opponents mid cqc combat and in similar circumstances

[kind badger]

100% agree

[gilded spindle]

but! but! but! they aren't doing what i expect them to do so I can't kill them!!!!!

[kind badger]

Like I said, I win most cqc matches lad. It isn't about being bad. It's about being unfun to play against the guy who is constantly clipping into your cam.

Try a different argument at least.

[gilded spindle]

so do what they do and make the fight more even

[silver moat]

There have been many times ive shot some one so close my rifle was inside them, only to be denied a hit, this is much needed

[kind badger]

But thats unenjoyable. I want to enjoy my time in the game

As should wveryone

and frankly, idk who's excited to hardly see yhe enemy they're standing inside and kill them by spraying wildly in the process

Other than the people abusing it, lol

[gilded spindle]

sounds like you arent having fun so you want to force others to play the way you want them to so you can have fun

[kind badger]

I've talked with several players in pub matches. Nobody i've met outside of this discord says they're good decisions.

Literally 0, vs dozens i've met who hate getting killed in those circumstances

[gilded spindle]

because the discord is where the good players are who play the game a lot

[pliant lodge]

just play on community servers and have one of the clan stacks roll in. never seen frontline rounds end so fast

[gilded spindle]

the randoms you find in game are the casuals who just play in their spare time with no real dedication to the game

[kind badger]

If I had met any players who thought this way, other than the handful of people in this discord, I would reconsider.

Yes. We are talking abt the casual mode.

If you wanna be sweaty, go to the milsim feedback mode chief

[gilded spindle]

theres only 1 mode

no i dont want milsim

enemy collision is more of a milsim feature

[kind badger]

glad i'm not the only one experiencing that kinda stuff... but there's clans of this? ew

[gilded spindle]

wait till you see catEat roll in

you will cry and uninstall and come back to the discord demanding they be banned for mechanic abuse

[pliant lodge]

its pretty funny if you get to watch them for a while, flopping around like fish, doin their lil dance.

[narrow grove]

i get so mad when i have to play against cateat, all my reports are ignored

[gilded spindle]

they never ban those catEat cheaters when I spam report them!

[strong inlet]

please not enemy collision

[narrow grove]

im just trying to chill out and play some bipod lmg when i have zoomer medics instantly killing me

[kind badger]

as are most players

[gilded spindle]

i had fun playing against catEat the other day, I kept killing moth

and i kept c4ing wallace

[kind badger]

the bipod experience fr fr

[quaint tendon]

Nah I'm gonna be checking y'all to see who knows how to play cover on assault while rushing

[gilded spindle]

watch robocat streams on twitch

[quaint tendon]

We ain't got shoovement round these parts (even though it'd be nice to have it oki please)

Robocat is the player I can look at and know they're about it

[kind badger]

Inb4 add a collision modifier to armor lol

[frail stratus]

crazy how this threads getting more attention then inertia

[clever patio]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-rip-sad-sponge-bob-stephen-hillenburg-crying-sponge-bob-squidward-gif-12966776

[humble yarrow]

real

[safe iris]

game is dead. move on.

everyone only sees robo

[safe iris]

there are already milsim servers and enemy collision is already a community server option. there is only one NA server i know of that has enemy collision on. if enemy collision was a setting people wanted then it would be enabled

arguing for a milsim mode which already exists in server configs and arguing for enemy collision which already exists, as well as arguing for airstrafe to be removed when it is already a toggleable setting just shows how the community is

[pure violet]

inertia is dumb

this idea has merit

[frail stratus]

has merit but still iffy

[pure violet]

POV you mentioned inertia to me

https://tenor.com/view/scream-screaming-terror-terrified-horrified-gif-24374910

[frail stratus]

honestly i wouldnt mind player collision too much

if it was implemented well

but idk how thats gonna go

[serene tundra]

Pov my name

[pure violet]

yeah i think if it gets implemented to something like cod

where you can just slide around people still pretty easily

but you cant run straight through them

that'll be good

[frail stratus]

yeah

iswtg if they just make people solid or something

mfing wall of support exos

[pure violet]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-zoolander-meme-ben-stiller-meme-tiktok-zoolander-ben-stiller-tiktok-gif-27259281

[pure violet]

thats what the current implementation is

its not great

[frail stratus]

😭

yeah no

[quaint tendon]

GGs

[serene tundra]

How bigs the collision

[quaint tendon]

If the current switch for it is the player model, that's shit.

[safe iris]

wont matter because STUCK will occur in one way or another due to battlebit netcode

[serene tundra]

Got a funni but i think it counts as a run through 😭

[quaint tendon]

You mean getting shot around corners isn't realistic?

Cringe fr

[frail stratus]

cant wait for this to get added then immediately removed because people realize its dogshit

same with intertia lmao

[safe iris]

AGAIN, COMMUNITY SETTINGS 😭 😭 DO PEOPLE NOT KNOW THIS? THEY ARE BOTH OFF FOR A REASON ON THE MAJORITY OF SERVERS

[serene tundra]

Me after watching support players mald over taking any damage (they got fucking shot)

[safe iris]

inertia being added will just lead to bhop tech

and we all want bhop tech

[quaint tendon]

Real

[serene tundra]

Its a run through rip funny potential

[quaint tendon]

Too tired for it to hit 🫡

[serene tundra]

Fuck it im dropping it anyway

[quaint tendon]

NAH HAHA

Wondering when people are gonna either stop wasting their mag or hipfiring and backpedaling.

[pure violet]

https://tenor.com/view/counterstrike-csgo-door-stuck-knife-lit-gif-13501025

[pallid stream]

Yeah, enemy collision would be wonderful

[pure violet]

fuck it, lets implement it so i can prove i was right

[serene tundra]

https://streamable.com/168t7d man run-through so hard to counter

Also fuck streamable editing 😭

[quaint tendon]

I stopped using that shit the moment you had to pay for more storage

I remember when it was free

Use losslesscut, low footprint clip exporter.

Can also export into different formats

[chrome hound]

Isn't that just player collision tho?

[serene tundra]

Streamable wack this clip has been pending for like 2 years

[quaint tendon]

YOURS DIDN'T GET DELETED YET???

some bullshit.

[serene tundra]

All my roblox and unturned clips still here 💀

[wise scroll]

guys lets add enemy collision and inertia pplease

[soft forge]

Lets remove proning also thanks

[gritty basin]

Go play cod. This game will become better without ppl like you

Grow up, then comeback

[humble yarrow]

what server is this

I want advanced uav

[gritty basin]

Recon with drone will become one next patch

Have you read upcoming updates xddd

[serene tundra]

Bboce

[safe iris]

airstrafe as an option

[gilded spindle]

"Peepee is not always poopoo, but poopoo is always peepee" nice about me, why don't you go back to cod with the other children

[gritty basin]

You just proved my point that you have mental capacity of a 14y old at best.

If an adult enjoys Lego it doesn't mean he is mentally a child. Same goes with humor. By the way, the quote in question is literally based in its childish simplicity

[safe iris]

COD has player collision too

🙂

[gritty basin]

Exactly 🤣🤣🤣

[gilded spindle]

Look at this dude changing how he types to assert that he is an intelligent adult

[gritty basin]

Yeah, look how mature i am, arguing with children 💀

[gilded spindle]

bet you really feel like you owned me with that one

🤓

[gritty basin]

I just hope that you are indeed just a teenager and not a mature adult with the mental development of a 14y old

[gilded spindle]

So toxic

[gritty basin]

Ah yes, facts and logical thinking = toxic

[gilded spindle]

lol

Go play with your child blocks

maybe you can build a friend out of them

Look at how long it takes for you to write a coherent comeback

[mild iron]

[gilded spindle]

[gritty basin]

Im just think i need to stop this xd

[soft forge]

Lmao he mistyped

[serene tundra]

Balls

[gritty basin]

I could go on with how pathetic your trash talk is, but there is really nothing to add, you already showed your weak game xd

[gilded spindle]

post stats

[gritty basin]

Like seriously, that's a 10y old level of trashtalk

You can be better then this

[gilded spindle]

Says the manchild playing with Legos

[gritty basin]

I dont play with legos, i dont even own legos xd

Thats was purely hypothetical

[gilded spindle]

If you don't play with them why are you so defensive about it?

[soft forge]

@gritty basin post stats please

[gritty basin]

Defensive about what? Adults dont play with lego, they build and collect miniature of them, which is a quite expensive hobby

[dusty root]

it will be great if we had more gore or a system like dead island 2

for more inmersive

[gritty basin]

This is as much off topic as what ever im doing right now talking with that kid xdd

[gritty basin]

Haven't seen a thread about it, you can totally make one

[dusty root]

nah, it's better make a suggestion here 🙂

[fallen ridge]

I'm gonna have ptsd hearing a ding and watching blood ooze out of my squad mate's forehead

[gilded spindle]

wrong thread

[soft forge]

How about you make a thread about whatever you’ve been yapping on about

Legos?

[gilded spindle]

you need to make your own, this thread is for discussion about enemy collision

[dusty root]

think about it

[gilded spindle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_fJBp_pjFfo

[gritty basin]

Says the trash talker xd

[serene tundra]

😭

[dusty root]

nop

i had talk whit some moders

they told me that is better make suggestions in channels

than make another thread

[gilded spindle]

your suggestion is just going to get flooded out

[dusty root]

cause are many threads there

[gritty basin]

Well, its a good suggestion, adding blood effects

[gilded spindle]

this is an active topic

[gritty basin]

Its definitely worth making a thread

[gilded spindle]

no staff member is going to read through this entire chat and no one can vote on your suggestion

[dusty root]

im going to take it

[gilded spindle]

toxic

[gritty basin]

Sure buddy #1175587321916182599 message

[gilded spindle]

you literally started it

you talked to me first and your first message was telling me to go back to cod

[dusty root]

hey guys

take it easy

don't start a fight in those chanels

🤓 ☝️

hahahahaha

support my thread

[gritty basin]

Because you want this game to be more like zoomer shooter and less like its own thing like a semi military sim it suppose to be

I called you out and you replied with trash talk

[dusty root]

and let's make this game big

[gilded spindle]

you replied with trash talk because you don't like my opinion on this suggestion

[dusty root]

GUYS

FOCUS ON MAKE SUGGESTIONS

NO PROBLEMS

[gilded spindle]

and during the play tests the game used to be slower, and oki made the game faster so

[gritty basin]

Im done, ive said my part. Fortunately vote results proving my point

[gilded spindle]

plus currently this game is a mix between milsim and arcade shooter

and the milsim aspects will probably move over to the hardcore mode once oki finishes it

[dusty root]

i love that

[gritty basin]

Which means that people will keep this game from becoming another boring shooter

[dusty root]

don't think in that

oki knows what are the good ideas

[gritty basin]

Lol

[dusty root]

he has a good team

[gritty basin]

Lets hope that its the case

[dusty root]

i said that because this is a very good game

[gritty basin]

He may be a good programmer but a bad designer, he definitely needs help with game design

[dusty root]

made by a group of people

not a big enterprise like ea

[dusty root]

that's why he has threads

[gritty basin]

Yeah, thank god he listens

[dusty root]

we have to make these game big

[gritty basin]

Yhis thread might as well is complete, and we can talk about whatever we want here, since he is adding this feature

[dusty root]

im playing it since doki realease the playtest

[sour falcon]

Playing on a hardcore server with player collision it feels fine, because when I play aggressive I’m not running through a group of players, but it felt bad as soon as I got caught fighting in a building or small room. Sucks to have zero escape when you’re out of C4 and no windows.

[gritty basin]

To make this game big, we need to make the game better

Adding enemy collision and inertia is a good, common sense changes

[dusty root]

i never said no

I already comented this

change the parkour system in the game

adding more movements

[gritty basin]

And despite that, some people voted against them, showing that there quite a number in deciding matters that lack common sense, which is very problematic for future votes

[dusty root]

beacuse sometimes is a little bit cluncky

[gritty basin]

Im talking about other people with whom i had "bad" conversations

[soft forge]

”another boring shooter”
Wants collision because “every other game has it”

[gilded spindle]

bro hates that people have differing opinions than him

[gritty basin]

Goes hand to hand with inertia system

Man, you two are really stupid aren't ya

[dusty root]

wtf

[gritty basin]

Every shooter has it because its a must have mechanic, unless its a boomershooter

[narrow grove]

Holy shit you SMOKED them

[dusty root]

ok

he call me stupid for free

lol

[gritty basin]

@soft forge @gilded spindle

[gritty basin]

Not you -_-

[dusty root]

be more expresive dude

[gritty basin]

Sorry

[gritty basin]

Like, read this #1175587321916182599 message

How can someone lack common sense like that, its crazy

[gilded spindle]

funny how you call me toxic but you are so angry and insulting people who don't want inertia or collision

just jumping to calling them idiots because they don't like what you like

???

[dusty root]

well, inertia and collision will be a good improvement

[gritty basin]

Its a basic gameplay mechanic every shooter must have

[dusty root]

yeah

[gritty basin]

Unless its a boomer shooter ofc

[dusty root]

like already said

[vernal tartan]

wait did i just see someone compare people who disagree about funny block shooter to FASCISTS??

[dusty root]

movements feels cluncky

[frail stratus]

j

[gritty basin]

Im trying to explain that opinions can be just wrong

[serene tundra]

First time?

[gilded spindle]

opinions are opinions, they are not true or false

[gritty basin]

Dude

[vernal tartan]

i'm admittedly taken aback

but it's not a first

[serene tundra]

Fun fact fuck you

[gritty basin]

Im just glad that game is going in the right direction, little by little, and people like you will drop out

[serene tundra]

Will?

[gilded spindle]

as if

were going to continue to terrorize the casuals with what ever mechanics the game has

[narrow grove]

So true Mihan, these SMG medic ZOOMERS are ruining the game and need to be driven out of the community

[serene tundra]

Im going to terrorise oki till he fixes the rpk reload

[vernal tartan]

wait what's wrong with it

[gritty basin]

They even dont revive, just run past you

[gilded spindle]

dont die then?

then you dont need to be revived

[serene tundra]

You dont just drop the mag like its an m4 😭

[vernal tartan]

whatever they were cooking with the G3 i want to see again

[serene tundra]

Something something cant ak mag flick with g3 magwell

[gritty basin]

Dont play medic then?

[soft forge]

Its funny that you call us stupid yet THIS is the extent of your reasoning for wanting this change. I like bbr BECAUSE it is different especially when it comes to movement.

[serene tundra]

Boomershooter 😭

[soft forge]

Im not the one complaining about how other people choose to play the game bro. You dont get to control my play style

[gritty basin]

Both of you are such gems 😂

[gilded spindle]

no, its fast

and infinite heals

[gritty basin]

This is a squad/team based game and will be balanced accordingly

[gritty basin]

Did you just shown me a series of messages from 5 years ago as a proof that im wrong???

[serene tundra]

[gritty basin]

Bruh 💀

[gritty basin]

This has nothing to do with changes im talking about, you still can be selfish with those

[gritty basin]

And its still being balanced like that, what do you mean??? Xd

Have you read recent upcoming changes to recon?

Holy moly, you are dumb as a rock 😂

[gilded spindle]

Recon changes have nothing to do with it

[serene tundra]

😭

[gritty basin]

Its literally is. Spotting only works within a squad

[gilded spindle]

Medium scope glint is to stop people from camping in spawn with no way to see them

[serene tundra]

😭

[gilded spindle]

pings have always only been shown to squad members

[gritty basin]

Again, its to focus less on "lone wolf" gameplay

Are yiu ok?

[gilded spindle]

Yiu

Are you ok?*

[gritty basin]

Oh my, you just dont know with what to respond and focus on little typos like this, gg xd

[gilded spindle]

it's funny i show you the words from the creator himself and you still try to deny it

cope harder

[gritty basin]

First one was from 5(!!!) years ago and Second have nothing to do with what i said, more then that, it even contradicts with upcoming changes to recon

[viral hinge]

What the hell is going on in here

[gilded spindle]

What does it matter if its from 5 years ago?

Idk this dude joined and started being toxic, telling me to go back to cod

telling us our opinions are wrong

[serene tundra]

Pov game direction

[gilded spindle]

calling us idiots for not wanting inertia or collision

[gritty basin]

Just your usual stuff xd

[viral hinge]

Okay well let’s chill out a bit.

Just breathe my dudes. Step away whatever.

[gilded spindle]

honestly he has made me really uncomfortable

[gritty basin]

Ah yes, show only a screenshot of a reply, taking it out of context xd

[pure violet]

if inertia brings bhopping into battlebit im down for it

[pure violet]

im a supremacist, what now?

[viral hinge]

There’s not really a reason to mention anything like that. It’s off topic and not called for. Let’s please stay on topic and chill.

[serene tundra]

Goofy ass jumpshots

[pure violet]

i thought i was in the general channel my bad

[gritty basin]

Well, i was trying to explain why enemy collision and inertia is a common sense and thinking otherwise is simply wrong (for a game like bbr)

I was giving an extreme , obvious example that not every opinion matters

[pure violet]

saw opportunity to troll

enemy collision is a bad idea (especially if we get bhopping)

thank you for listening

[gritty basin]

Bless you xdd

[pure violet]

https://tenor.com/view/what-the-fuck-stephen-elites-holy-shit-get-the-fuck-outta-town-fever-dream-gif-16780346

[soft forge]

.

[soft forge]

.

What????

You must be trolling

[gritty basin]

Recent recon changes are balanced towards more squad gameplay and less "lonewolf"

[soft forge]

Ironic that you call us stupid when you are, in fact, the one who is stupid.

[gritty basin]

Care to elaborate?

[soft forge]

This message explains how you are stupid

[gritty basin]

How?

Im too stupid to see it my self?

[soft forge]

It is self evident and common sense. If you dont see it you must not have common sense

[gritty basin]

👍

Pure facts and logic, you've destroyed me 💀

[fierce badge]

inertia so shit

[balmy jay]

what's inertia anyway, sorry I'm a Zoomer here

[fierce badge]

That's the fun of this game, isn't it?

I just think the current game is good. If you want enemies to collide, you can add it in the future Hardcore mode.

[safe iris]

decimal is trolling. he doesnt want either of those things lmao

[safe iris]

collision already exists as a community server setting

i do not think there should be collision forced upon all servers

with the state of battlebits hitreg and netcode we will have more STUCK moments than ever

[soft forge]

a = F/m

[zinc herald]

collision and inertia won't make you any better

fucking old people

[fierce badge]

cool Looks like I've been tricked by him

[fierce badge]

yes When your ping is above 140ms, your hitreg will be weird

We need to fix the current hitreg

[dusky yoke]

The fuck is inertia

It keeps being trow around here since these suggestions were suggested

[zinc herald]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=haEuSZdfRFs

inertia is being allowed to bhop in CS

[dusky yoke]

That looks bad in a blocky game like battlebit

Like yeah quite realistic or something but i dont think we are mainly aiming towards that when it comes to movement

[zinc herald]

yea it's a fast paced game and that's where the fun comes from. why you would want to slow that down is fucking confusing

not to mention lower the skill ceiling so dramatically

and practically remove options for a lot of fun things

personaly if I wanted to play squad or EFT I'd reinstall those shit munching games

[dusky yoke]

I hate that my pc cant run those

[zinc herald]

but I get on this one so I can satisfy my fucking titktok addled zoomer brain and move the fuck around

[soft forge]

The type of person that wants inertia is the type of person who will advocate for any change that reduces the skill gap between themselves and good players. That is their end goal

[zinc herald]

if I wanted to sit around and think and use mindgames in a fucking videogame I'd go back to CS

[dusky yoke]

Atleast the community in project reality are good people and helped me play the game

[zinc herald]

real

any time I see people trying to nerf anything that is't literally gamebreaking or try to slow down any aspect of gameplay by any margin I instantly imagine an old person farting his way to the pc between piss breaks

[dusky yoke]

I feel like is more about bringing waay too much stuff from other games that they like and simply no discusss about it or not knowing this is a different mindset game

Some stuff are fine and fit the game but others are just something for a completely type of game that goes against the game's ideia really hard

Supressive fire as an example is something i have thought about and it can work but it just needs one bad thing to completely turn this game stale alot more, because 5 guys are playing support in the heavy jungle shooting at the unfortunate souls that are moving around are going to be annoying af

And lmgs are becoming fine as it is so no point in having that

[edgy locust]

Add partial collision, not full collision, but partial collision to the extent of "soft-body" physics.

[zinc herald]

what??

[kind badger]

as in you 'slide' off enemies, not collide with them like they're a solid wall

[vernal tartan]

soft collision: moderate resistance when players meet but pass-through is possible with enough speed
hard collision: players stopped entirely upon contact (assuming they are running directly into each other)

[kind badger]

^

[vernal tartan]

it's like how you can nudge other players around in minecraft but also run through them

[zinc herald]

honestly cool now that you explain it

[vernal tartan]

i think soft collision makes sense because it's not gonna get anyone stuck but will keep people from easily proning in enemy crowds

although i will admit that hurts the funny factor a little

[wanton kayak]

yeah it seems the people who dont want collision added are literally the ones who clearly want to make it easier for themselves to run through 20+ people and suicide c4 into em

[kind badger]

^yes.

Or the people like in that clip from earlier who turn into literal gnats.

[wanton kayak]

no reason to not add collision other than certain playstyles going away

[kind badger]

But that's the issue; the average player isnt on this discord (or aren't speaking as much on these particular channels) than those who like those strats. I'm fairly certain if the devs added a poll on login to the game or something along those lines, they'd see more votes for adding at least partial collision, but there's an oddly large group of people on the discord who are very vocal about wanting the opposite

And don't get me wrong, I want to hear opposing opinions, but past a certain point it's just broken record noises abt the same (imo obnoxious) strategies that most players never want to encounter in the first place

[livid lantern]

tbf you’d ruin sm good moments w collisions

e.g. piling up in corners or beside one piece of corner

which at this point r staple bbr moments

[edgy locust]

welcome to social media.

[edgy locust]

Solid* collisions

[livid lantern]

?

[edgy locust]

read from here.

@shell swan when you get the chance, make that discernment on the main post, as it should be a point brought up instead of a "hard yes" and "hard no."
We have wiggle room, the lead dev for this game can code.

[livid lantern]

strange, I’d like to see it implemented on a community server or smth just to try it out

[edgy locust]

it would be hard to do that

on community servers, you can't make changes to the model, and since collision is a feature accessible between the engine and the models themselves, its going to be difficult to implement that on a server alone.

that said, full collision servers do/did exist.

[livid lantern]

yea fair

haven’t seen any in my region, I’ll check it see if I can find any

[narrow grove]

We can't ask the average player, they vote for things like Sandy Sunset Conquest

[winter moat]

a game thats been constantly bleeding players and ur really just like "yeah we just nerf a playstyle to the point it doesnt exist" as if that wont kill the game even faster lmao

[wanton kayak]

A playstyle that added to the bleeding

[winter moat]

can u prove that?

do u have any source whatsoever that a substantial amount of players who quit were bcos of someone running through them? i bet u dont

[wanton kayak]

yes the casual playerbase bled so much due to that meta medic loadout that made the player be able to pass through 20+ players and throw a few C4s and call it a day

if you want proof look in the clips channel

[winter moat]

thats just u saying things

??????????

[wanton kayak]

yeah me explaining and proving my point is now just "saying things"

dude you're a clown

[winter moat]

oh people clipped them getting big multikills? that definitely has something to do with what ur saying and isnt completely unrelated

u didnt prove ur point, i asked for a source, u just said "yeah thats why people quit" and pointed me to the clips channel lmao

[wanton kayak]

I gave you the source dumbass

you're now just trying to change what source means due to you losing the argument now

100% a redditor

[winter moat]

hahahaha why are u so mad? and no u didnt, people clipping plays they made has nothing to do with people who quit the game months ago

ur grasping at straws to justify ur awful take bcos ur mad

any of these imaginary people ur talking about who quit the game bcos someone killed them with suicide C4 would have quit the game after dying to anything