Magazine attachment rework

[mild raptor]

🫡

now we need Oki and Lawwy to acknowledge it and to agree

(they won't)

[deft yoke]

What if tho

[mild raptor]

meta revolution

[deft yoke]

100%

Aight
I will write up the final proposal once i finish lunch

[mild raptor]

🫡

[deft yoke]

I thank you greatly for your contribution goofy

[mild raptor]

tbh when I look at G36, the changes would make it very nice with extended mag + b25 urk

drum mag would make you slower, b-25 urk would give you some recoil reduction + reload speed compensation + idk, tactical? for some extra reduction of recoil

[deft yoke]

I idk what attachments i put on g36 tbh

Ik that tactical isnt as viable as it once was

[mild raptor]

I run flash hidder + vertical on pretty much on all guns

nice reduction in both recoils

uh well

a bit of reduction in both recoils

w/out making any of the recoils impossible to control

either that or b-25 instead of vertical

[deft yoke]

It really depends on the gun

Cause like even barrel stats are super borked and inconsistent

Vamb for instance greatly decreases vertical and increases horizontal

Except horizontal increase on some guns ranges from mininal to vamb essentially being the reverse flash hider

.

Just so i dont scroll a gagilion times

[white ibex]

Honestly for the drums just removing the recoil would do wonders

Dont mind the other debuffs at all

[dusty sorrel]

stop bumping

before i call a mod!

[pearl coral]

Yeah guys, stop bumping

[sullen bloom]

another oki L

[cedar lintel]

Xd

[dusty merlin]

me when the bump happens to bump the entire thread

[sullen bloom]

oki got so immersed in making a battlefield killer that apart from copying shit, he is embodying EA/Dice philosophy of not giving a fuck about the players

[ionic jetty]

Oki has already acknowledged that this will in fact happen so I’m not too upset

I just want to have a lil sneak peek

[deft yoke]

It is done

Final update to the proposal

[mild raptor]

imo perfect

[white ibex]

Honestly have nothing to add it

Looks perfectly balanced

[leaden zodiac]

Is there a jump to top button in Discord?

[deft yoke]

Nope

Did reply to the top message

Just click that

[deft yoke]

@leaden zodiac here

[leaden zodiac]

Thanks. Looks great!

[deft yoke]

Now that the proposal is updated for the last time

We should discuss magazine drip

[ionic jetty]

Tape Wrap tape wrap tape wrap tape wrap

[mild raptor]

oh wait I saw something

@deft yoke XD

in this case only 2 fit

[raw lily]

[proper nymph]

[mild raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/van-darkholme-van-darkholme-leather-mask-gif-25822822

[mild raptor]

we're getting something similar to this tho

but for grips

so I think Larry is into that stuff

[deft yoke]

BDSM mag

[mild raptor]

hell yeah

I mean

Larry has The Pegging Chamber

so no wonder he's into BDSM gun decorations

[deft yoke]

Strap-on mag

[mild raptor]

🤤 🥵

[deft yoke]

I just remembered something

One sec

The very first message of this suggestion

This man was ahead of his time

[mild raptor]

he knew we'd succeed

[deft yoke]

Yes

Now to be serious for a sec

The obvious option for mags are straps

Stalinium tape for example

[mild raptor]

keychains

[deft yoke]

Yeee

[mild raptor]

Hmmmmmmm

[deft yoke]

Maybe like stickers?

[mild raptor]

I have an idea for new mag type

[deft yoke]

I listen

[mild raptor]

picture inc

every 2nd reload being very fast? like -1.2s, in pattern: 1st reload -1.2s, 2nd reload +1.2s (cuz mags taped together will be heavy and hard to pick up)

so -1.2 -> +1.2 -> -1.2 -> +1.2

[deft yoke]

Ah jungle mag

[mild raptor]

👀

or maybe some stickers for mags?

holy

ofc AK-74 decoration for mag should be bakelite mag

😂

[deft yoke]

Femboy quick mag

[willow garnet]

Tactical uwu

[deft yoke]

Hell yeah

[mild raptor]

would fit the panties vector very well #off-topic

[deft yoke]

Btw i will go and look more into jungle mags and they could work exactly

Pull out excel and shit

[mild raptor]

imo the reload pattern would be nice, as for other stats

defo way less movement speed

unless we count the taped mag as another one in pouches

cuz we could go like

med armor: 6 mags in total counting the taped ones
med armor: 12 mags in total, not counting the taped ones towards the total mag count

but the 2nd would be too busted

imo slower ads, draw speed

movement, maybe very little?

[deft yoke]

I will look into the stats and specifics later

You could go a bunch of ways with jungle mags

[mild raptor]

according to one guy on quora, jungle mags reduce reload time significantly, but it's a bit heavy

"Commonly used during assaults where you know you'll shoot a lot, probably need to reload but only during a limited time.", so in theory every 2nd reload being very fast would be nice imo

but I think it would be better for new suggestion to talk about it

than to do it here

[white ibex]

New mag suggestion for smgs and ars

[deft yoke]

Yeah i will probably make a new suggestion for those

Unless there is one already somewhere

Yep there is https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1190901717026488391

Just gotta do the stats

[deft yoke]

just to add to mag drip, i wish more skins did stuff with mags like this

yknow color the small bumps and all

[dusty merlin]

nerf gun looking ass

[deft yoke]

better than some of the other options ngl

[dusty merlin]

true lol

[mild raptor]

based asimov

literally every gun looks great with it

I often mix the 1500 kills one with 1750 kills one? or whatever was it

the stripes and the shapes?

lemme check

[deft yoke]

i just keep track of the drip idk what number correlates to what drip

[mild raptor]

tbh I must get 1750 kills on every gun so I have everything asimov

aight, lemme show the ones I mix and why

but maybe on #off-topic

[deft yoke]

sure

[dusty sorrel]

asiimov knockoff

[mild raptor]

the best knockoff

[ionic jetty]

#dev-wip those don’t look like magazines

[deft yoke]

They may not be magazines but fuck me do those sounds fuck

[leaden zodiac]

Looks so good with the new barrel flash and animations

[ionic jetty]

Just goes to show that us magazine mafia are benevolent folk

[mild raptor]

🤌 🇮🇹

[ionic jetty]

wtf I can’t edit server profile >:(

I’m gonna scream

I want a Magazine Mafia Tag

[willow garnet]

404 upvotes

[mild raptor]

Suggesstion not found

[deft yoke]

Error 404: Rework not Found

[proud epoch]

Found the damn thread

[ionic jetty]

You know, it really goes to show how this is a thread with 1000+ messages, a good portion of which are just us memeing but the mods dont really seem to mind because we’re actually civil unlike a certain… movement related post

We are simply the superior thread

[deft yoke]

This is one of the best threads in the entire server

[dusty merlin]

it is the best.

[dusty merlin]

inertia is real, it will hurt you (unless you're playing assault).

[ionic jetty]

We don't say the "i" word around here

[dusty merlin]

confusion

[smoky garnet]

I'm gonna keep it real with you
No.

extended and drum clips buff recoil
no? Awful balancing concept.

[still harness]

if it was at least consistent, I think people wouldn't mind it.

[deft yoke]

Did you perhaps skip reading the cons

[smoky garnet]

What negatives?
They're practically insignificant!

[deft yoke]

Factually incorrect

[still harness]

he thinks those cons are based on relation to the normal mags

not additive to what we have

[deft yoke]

Stat decreases may seem to be not very harsh, but believe me, they are

Especially movement

[ionic jetty]

Having less movement in a movement heavy shooter is a big deal

[deft yoke]

Not to mention draw speed

Reload

[ionic jetty]

Honestly, the concept provided by Palma (and agreed upon by many) is a nice "pick your style" choice.
Quick and Short mags? Close quarters due to recoil, small downtime, encourages risky flanks but rewards winning 1v1s by letting you quickyl move on
Extend and drum mags? Stabilises shots, allows for sustained fire, letting you take longer ranges and more pinpoint suppression, punishes close quarters, you're not meant to move around much

both are a distinct style of play, if I wanna be the guy with an MG36 at 200m, spraying down onto the objective, then thats great for drum and extendo

wanna be that flanking medic shitter that just zooms from building to building, hipfiring your ass off, then get a quick / short

[dusty merlin]

100m dmg drop off + drop off nerf next update...

[ionic jetty]

sssshhhh

[deft yoke]

We do not talk about the dropoff nerf

[ionic jetty]

@deft yoke that deagle in #dev-wip sounds CHUNKY

[deft yoke]

That recoil scares me

I can only hope that rsh will have recoil as good as that

[ionic jetty]

I mean the deagle can still two tap the head, so i dont mind the recoil forcing u to space out the 2nd shot

[deft yoke]

True

Overall good stuff

[smoky garnet]

I would
rather not have to worry about dudes that can beam people from like a bajillion meters
people complained about assault rifles before
and we're apparently retvrning to tradition but worse.

[ionic jetty]

ok so make the guns' accuracy a bit worse (which is overdue anyway) so that when applying a heavy mag, it ends up being a zero sum

or, better yet, just make the accuracy bonus marginal so that it doesn't turn into a beam

like, we don't want it to be a beam, tbh I would compromise on there being no change to accuracy / recoil with a heavy mag, as long as it isn't Decreased

being slowed in every aspect is quite a good trade off for a chunky mag

[dusty merlin]

lmao people complaining about ars on longer ranges

[dusty merlin]

do you even play the game

if anything people complain about dmrs and maybe the odd lmg or so...

[willow garnet]

AR full auto at longer ranges

[dusty merlin]

aug lol

that's it

and drop off will also be nerfed 💀

[ionic jetty]

this isnt a cqb simulator :v

people complain about being beamed from 100m+, but ignore the fact that in cqb being killed in literally less time than you can reasonably be expected to react exists too

if cqb guns can delete me in <0.4s then I am allowed to beam you down in 2s from outside your range

[dusty merlin]

ong

[deft yoke]

Exactly

If im gonna be a slow fuck at least make my job easier at longer ranges

[white ibex]

Unironically drums could be good already to use if you just removed the recoil debuff it has

[ionic jetty]

You know what would make that Basra Map look even better?

If there were some reworked magazines in it

[deft yoke]

New basras ship containers filled to the brim with magazines

[proud epoch]

And the devs are nowhere to be found. They left this thread...

[ionic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/luigi-da-web-lw-mafia-mario-smg4-gif-14448709

[deft yoke]

Blop

[onyx bramble]

one day mags will make sense

I was really excited for the attachment rework because I thought I'd get to use them. It's strange that mags basically are useless because they always make your gun way too bad. I think ADS time and speed increases/decreases would be fine for the most part.

Like, I have a 100 round drum bag on my AK-15, but the ADS time becomes dog water. But if I put the 10 round mag on it I can move at lightning speed and ads faster than anyone in the universe.

I'd also love to see gun weight reduce with bullets fired out of the mag, but that might be a bit much

[ionic jetty]

Still nothing...

Maybe we could annoy the community manager to give us the answers the Magfia deserves

[proud epoch]

You do it, I ain't tryna get banned

[ionic jetty]

Ok

@torpid widget Eh, listen up, TerminalIntel,

We gotta have a little chat, see? We been hearin' whispers 'round the block 'bout them guidelines for the magazine rework. Word on the street is we done hit 400 approvals, and that's supposed to mean somethin', right?

Now, we ain't ones to be pushy or nothin', but we's just dyin' to get a little taste of what youse been keepin' under wraps. Can't blame us for bein' curious, can ya?

So here's the deal, TerminalIntel. You spill the beans, nice and easy-like, and maybe, just maybe, we'll let bygones be bygones. But cross us, and youse gonna wish you never tangled with the Magfia.

Don't make us come lookin' for ya, TerminalIntel. You know how we operate.

Ciao for now,
The Magfia

🤌🇮🇹

[torpid widget]

Did oxi write this for you

[proud epoch]

Well spoke my man, well spoken

[deft yoke]

Why do you assume ox1 wrote this

[torpid widget]

Because it’s something oxi would write to me.

[proud epoch]

🚨 Copypastas 🚨

[ionic jetty]

ChatGPT did

[proud epoch]

W

[ionic jetty]

He is simply ahead of his time 🤌🇮🇹

[pearl coral]

Not this time, also leek mag update pls

[ionic jetty]

[ionic jetty]

not even threatening the CM did something...

we shall truly remain in the dark...

[sullen bloom]

CM would help if he knew anything about it

[mild raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/hang-on-gif-27524073

[dusty merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-spin-gif-10300642414513246571

[ionic jetty]

maybe the thing larry cant show in public is the new mags...

[pearl coral]

Noway

[mild raptor]

aintnoway

[pearl field]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-gif-21652123

[ionic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-i-am-just-a-fish-dont-cry-gif-25697823

[deft yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-spin-spinning-kitty-3d-gif-25662036

[odd isle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1191204763069595759/1215809571596009582/RDT_20240116_1510363487519675493318826.gif

[mild raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-spinning-fast-gif-20674417

[pearl coral]

Update delayed as per Dev team trademark, does this mean mag rework can be fit into the next update?

@torpid widget

[torpid widget]

You want another delay?

[proper nymph]

cant delay tbd

[pearl coral]

If it means mags can be usable 👹

[ionic jetty]

yo I dont mind another delay if it means more good stuff

but that is probably JUST this thread by itself

this is the most sane thread

[proud epoch]

Nice 😄

[proud epoch]

Yes if mags get reworked and fix the damn extended mag where if you throw an extended mag on a specific gun, you get one more bullet.

Wild

[pearl coral]

Suggestion made of fire

[dusty merlin]

ong

[pearl coral]

Forged out of a dying star

[proud epoch]

FR SO TRUE

[ionic jetty]

Another Dev update about non-magazine related stuff…

(God bless oki, he’s trying his hardest I have nothing but respect for that)

[pearl coral]

Mags are within Larrys domain

[ionic jetty]

yeah but oki did the sound thing

which cant be easy

[ionic jetty]

As much as I like him, I can’t not scold him for the wording of the poll….
Both choices are written in a way that make it very obvious which option would be preferred, from the punctuation to the explicit mention of snipers, instead of being a simple Yes or No. Objection, Leading Question!

Like, the way it was written, clearly Vil doesn’t want this to happen

Because both options, even the “Yes I want this” mention a flaw of adding this

Instead of either one respectively mentioning a flaw or benefit of being chosen.

Should either be just “Yes / No” or something more like,
“yes, this would distribute players more evenly instead of turning the match into a constant midfight for C/D” and “No, this would cause snipers to be too oppressive on this Objecitve, making it frustrating to capture”

Let players make their own informed or uninformed decision instead of subtly guiding them toward an answer, intentional or not >:(

[cosmic shadow]

@torpid widget

[dusty merlin]

another month

[mild raptor]

mags rework is real

now we wait for attachments rework

[deft yoke]

Yes

We have done it

[mortal mountain]

anything interesting

[dusty merlin]

idk

[dusty merlin]

think i missed the important info and the rest's just modeling and yapping (not the oki type though)

[mortal mountain]

haha nice

[deft yoke]

I will report some details in a bit

[mortal mountain]

it has been a bit 🔫

where's my mag rework news markiplier

[deft yoke]

Apoligies here are the news so far

[mortal mountain]

your kneecaps stay for another day

[deft yoke]

We are getting uniform stats

Im literally magfia boss

Whatever

Uniformed stats, same across the board

Sadly

[mortal mountain]

Who said I was with the magfia? I'm a member of the chicago drummerboys

[deft yoke]

Mags will still affect recoil

[mild raptor]

😭

[mortal mountain]

bruh

[mild raptor]

we need to find the balance guy

[deft yoke]

A lot less but will still affect it

[mortal mountain]

Larry is the balance guy

[mild raptor]

termy said he isn't 💀

[deft yoke]

Especially vertical

[mortal mountain]

Yea well

[mild raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/vlad-the-impaler-blinking-vampire-gif-16957180824355603529

me looking at balance guy rn:

[mortal mountain]

it ain't a community member then

[deft yoke]

Another set of news is that F2k and presumably other guns will get new mags

[mild raptor]

ah yeah

quick, extended and short for guns lacking it

[deft yoke]

Yes

[mortal mountain]

Larry said he was taking ox1 stats as inspiration

So

Idunno

Someone's not telling the truth

[dusty merlin]

didn't that guy cook something completely different from whatever larry is now adding?

[mortal mountain]

iunno

[deft yoke]

Larry said that at the very least, removing recoil penalties wouldnt be good idea ik that

[dusty merlin]

cringe

[mortal mountain]

cringe

How to incentivize camping even more

[dusty merlin]

he didn't get the magfia memo i see...

[deft yoke]

Couldnt get more on the specifics

[mortal mountain]

Decrease range on large ammo capacity

👍

[dusty merlin]

[mortal mountain]

Now I will use it as an smg instead

thank you larry

[dusty merlin]

can't wait for smg mg3 🗣️ 💯 🔥

[mortal mountain]

I remember all the games with recoil increasing drum mags, like...

I can't think of games with recoil increasing drum mags

oh, apparently insurgency did it

[mild raptor]

the guideline

😂

[mortal mountain]

genuinely who is the balance guy that thinks that heavier guns kick more

[mild raptor]

some braindead ahh noob not on discord

[mortal mountain]

or that you should be using them at closer range

[mild raptor]

we need answers from Termy

• short mag - more recoil cuz gun is lighter + better mobility
• quick mag - fast reload, nothing else
• extended mag - less recoil cuz gun is heavier, shittier mobility

[mortal mountain]

"Heres a drum mag, it makes you slower, but you also now need to get closer to the bad guys, and you'll also miss more shots"

[mild raptor]

but nah 🤡

bro failed physics 100%

[dusty merlin]

1984 bot

[mortal mountain]

well I've got no idea what larry's now adding

[mild raptor]

Petition to change balance guy

[dusty merlin]

@harsh fiber fuck you

[deft yoke]

Petition to hire me goofy and ox1 as balance team

[mortal mountain]

@deft yoke ok so, all we got was mags now act like the rest of the attachments and mags still affect recoil (probably the worst part of current mags)

anything else?

[deft yoke]

I will check stream soon again, had to take a break

Otherwise no

[mortal mountain]

oh and new mags

[deft yoke]

Ye was about to say

Also recoil is supposedly affected a lot less

Idk by how much but yeah

[mortal mountain]

50% -> 30%

meanwhile grips still only give 20% Recoil reduc max

ok well

[dusty merlin]

larry making me smoke that copium

[mild raptor]

so mags rework we fought for will bring stats unification

but stats will still be shit

sad

Change the balance guy 🗣️

[pearl coral]

Post-Update reddit post from devs

5 months just to ruin my amazing values, i can't with this

[mortal mountain]

net buff that still feels insignificant because base weapon and quick mag will still be miles better than active gimp suit (larger mag)

[mortal mountain]

riot time

part 2

[sullen bloom]

ermmmm ?

no barrel mag bois ?

[pearl coral]

https://tenor.com/view/spaghett-spaghetti-touch-goldilocks-bears-gif-10758815

Somebody toucha my rework

[mortal mountain]

Omw to twitch to convince Larry that recoil is a bad idea

Hello Larry (Or whoever is in charge of Magazine rebalancing)
I've heard that you plan to add recoil to extended and drum mags
I'm here to tell you why this is a bad idea

First, let's talk about the intent behind a drum mag
Having a lot of bullets is made for the purpose of suppression, or shooting a lot of bullets at an enemy to keep their head down
Battlebit does not have suppression

The next best thing it can have is a strong kill potential
If you're going to be stuck with slow move speed, ADS, reload and general clunkiness, you should be trading all of this for the ability to be a threat on the field on par and countered with a strong DMR
At medium and long range, extended and drum mags should be your top pick, while quick and short mags are your choice for blitzing all over the place, a playstyle that's already plenty strong even with the current quick mags

Adding recoil nerfs the heavy/drum mag's ability for mid range
You're now slow as fuck, and in exchange for more bullets, you're now more likely to miss said bullets because your recoil is higher
Your singular bonus of more bullets is countered by a single stat making the whole thing redundant
You're expected to get closer than before to your enemies to make up for the recoil, but you're also slow and clunky
The only thing this is going to lead to is a really campy turret that watches short hallways
Is that really what you want from your already tanky and slow exo armor players?

Encourage medium range by not messing with recoil
Put extended and drum mags on par with quick mags
Don't add recoil to them, and let them be the true best pick for medium range

[mild raptor]

yeah

[pearl coral]

Larry on his way to ruin my peak mag values

[mild raptor]

🇮🇹 🤌 Che palle! Fire the balance guy, capisce? This guy's a career wrecking ball, ruining everything that ain't contributing to a ROFL quick mag gun and run brainrot cheater playstyle. Fix the game, pronto! Bring more metas, capisce? And stop the movement cheater abuse, it's disgraceful! And why even bother adding more extended and short mags if they're gonna be as useless as a screen door on a submarine?

Alright, listen up, my loyal soldiers. The Magfia ain't pleased with the current state of affairs. We demand more than just a slapdash job when it comes to our magazines. We need a complete overhaul, capisce? Every piece of hardware we wield needs to be optimized for maximum efficiency, not just a select few. We can't afford to be caught off guard in this dog-eat-dog world we live in.

I want every weapon in our arsenal to be a force to be reckoned with, capable of turning the tide of any skirmish in our favor. That means no more settling for mediocrity. We need to ensure that our firepower is second to none, whether we're facing off against rival families or dealing with outside threats.

So, I'm tasking you all with this mission: make it happen. Work with our contacts, grease whatever palms you need to grease, but get the job done. The Magfia demands nothing less than perfection, and I expect each and every one of you to deliver. Fail me, and there will be consequences. But succeed, and you'll be rewarded handsomely. Now go forth and make me proud.

[pearl coral]

🇮🇹 🤌 Che palle! Fire the balance guy, capisce? This guy's a career wrecking ball, ruining everything that ain't contributing to a ROFL quick mag gun and run brainrot cheater playstyle. Fix the game, pronto! Bring more metas, capisce? And stop the movement cheater abuse, it's disgraceful! And why even bother adding more extended and short mags if they're gonna be as useless as a screen door on a submarine?

[deft yoke]

https://tenor.com/view/saul-goodman-gif-24305672

Magfia trying to tell Larry how to exactly implement the mag rework in a nutshell

[mortal mountain]

so

did Larry say mags were increasing recoil

or just affecting recoil

[mild raptor]

sadly I have no clue cuz I wasn't looking at stream that time

gotta wait for Mark to become online tommorow

[mortal mountain]

So I did some vod rewatching

Larry talks about short mags shouldn't increase recoil, which... yeah?

they'd be kinda dogass if all they did was make you run fast

and that the heavier the mag the less it pulls up, so... lower recoil?

[cosmic shadow]

no, make recoil worse to balance the vector drum mag

[mortal mountain]

and then smthn about realism not equalling fun

yea iunno

then smthn about extended mags being for people who are gonna miss

Mark misinformation campaing mode

kinda sounds like the magfia got what they wanted but don't realize it

anyways f2k extended mag is 45 rounds

that should be a pretty good idea of what extend mags are gonna be

[pearl coral]

Im just gonna blame devs for not being able to or not wanting to use clear language.

[mortal mountain]

no I think mark doesn't speak english

[pearl coral]

Nah, devs hate us

[proud epoch]

Fr

[deft yoke]

From what i have seen, it is very unclear how larry will exactly change magazines
At some point he talked about how heavier mags irl would be harder to control cause of inertia or something? It led to people correcting him afterwards
Perhaps i will rewatch it, but those were my first impressions at the time

[ionic jetty]

My main gripe is the inconsistency of it. I don't care what they are, just make the stats on some guns not dogshit and inconsistent

Looking at a majority of short mags

While there are some mags that are just straight up "you're dumb if you DONT pick this"

compared to HB quick mag which is "youre dumb if you DO pick this"

[proper nymph]

i used that quite a lot :/

[deft yoke]

Larry at least confirmed that there wont be any inconsistencies now

[mortal mountain]

that's being fixed, they're all being turned into multipliers instead of per gun

[ionic jetty]

yes and we are both idiots for it

[placid ore]

TBH, I'd just be happy if all quick mags didn't have downsides, decent reload buff, and had a decently high kill requirement for unlock.

IE,

Same mag size
No debuffs
-0.65s to reload
250 kills to unlock

[robust geyser]

Whilst I do get the intent there, ultimately it would frustrate newer players long teem, which the game needs more than ever right now, and I don’t think a mag’s objective downside only being the requirement to unlock it is good with this in mind

[ionic jetty]

There should be no such thing as a straight upgrade when it comes to mags

a lot of the extendo mags come to mind, where they either have no downside at all or it's so marginal that it might as well not exist

[dusty merlin]

extendo with next to no downsides?
did i wake up in the good reality?

[slim zinc]

tcr

its prob a bug tho

[dusty merlin]

tcr?

[slim zinc]

bugged extend b mag i think

increases reload,runspeed and better recoil from memory

and get 5 extra bullets

[deft yoke]

Its acr quick B

[dusty merlin]

only thing making the gun actually useful lol

[deft yoke]

It is really good

I do have to see what exactly does it improve

Besides reload and mag size

[ionic jetty]

UMP extendo is also like

high key stupid to not use

[dusty merlin]

ump extendo?

[white ibex]

Extended magazine for ump

[dusty merlin]

this is some next level trolling wtf

haven't played the game in a while lol

[deft yoke]

Honestly i too need to check if ump has extendo

I dont use it a lot at all

[pearl coral]

UMP doesnt have extended

[ionic jetty]

does it not?

damn I'm fucking trolling

i swear some smg has an extendo that is just a pure upgrade

[dusty merlin]

pp19, but it doesn't extendo

[deft yoke]

Only smg that has the extendo is the vector
Its not really a straight upgrade tho

[dusty merlin]

it's a bullet hose and i love it

[sullen bloom]

why are you guys yapping

its confirmed

[mild raptor]

yapp to assert dominance

https://tenor.com/view/you-gotta-assert-your-dominance-jidion-adams-jidion-show-them-whos-boss-show-youre-the-boss-gif-26659268

[ionic jetty]

because we like having discussions among friends

unlike a certain... movement related thread, we are civilised!

[pearl coral]

Very civilised

[dusty merlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1173894704635580527/1236984720869556288/RDT_20240422_1126036507090281287445186.jpg?ex=6639ff4b&is=6638adcb&hm=b17f604c3d9fd24dc943695f6d0f2aa2979d8b6bfaef7974c8b60e573b4bbcb4&

[autumn sand]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jungle_style

🥺

[still harness]

which is only done by idiots

[white ibex]

We are all idiots

Idiot

[proud epoch]

LMFAO

[willow garnet]

Mods never lock this thread

[deft yoke]

If they locked this one id start a riot
They locked some other one

[willow garnet]

Mod L

[ionic jetty]

We are too powerful

they cannot stop us

with discord's clantag update we should totally make a Magfia clan

[cosmic shadow]

bup !

[pearl coral]

https://tenor.com/view/no-no-wait-wait-gif-8174347161288218584

[daring gazelle]

We should have belt for lmg its kind 200 round so yeah

But its kind a useless when shoot heli down it have little damge to heli like m249

[white ibex]

No

Make it do more damage than m249 but shit tk stats

Let me roleplay as a AA gun

[proud epoch]

Bump!

[willow garnet]

Bumpy!

[proud epoch]

Yay! Bump!

[deft yoke]

Fuck you

[ionic jetty]

Whoooaaaa

That’s so rude what the fuck man

[willow garnet]

everyone lets bump this suggestion

[ionic jetty]

Can we get to 500?

[pearl coral]

Mods they are intentionally bumping so this gets locked, pls don't be stupid

[mild raptor]

Imagine bumping suggestion that is already implemented into update 🗿

[dusty merlin]

totally doesn't apply here

[ionic jetty]

No I just like talking

I like saying words

[proud epoch]

Ay, why so harsh?

Bro took it from calm to maximium rage

[proud epoch]

Its fun, and I only listen to Silly cause he is my favourite Moderator out of everyone 🙂 ❤️

[proud epoch]

Totally...

[ionic jetty]

Errrrrm, akschually, they’re a developer

I think, idk they’re purple with a wrench

[proud epoch]

Nah, devs have blue roles bruh

[lilac stone]

@proud epoch @willow garnet @cosmic shadow
If you guys don't stop bumping, we'll have to change this setting like we did with #1117881804448342078 or warn you guys... In which case, some of you may not survive.. This we all want to avoid I think.

Bumping things does not make your takes more valid or give it more chance of being looked at, and it's explicitly forbidden in the #rules. Stop it.

We won't verbally warn again.

[proud epoch]

Bet, thx for letting us lnow 🙂 ❤️

[pearl coral]

Take them out devil

The evil bumpers

[proud epoch]

Devil is a sweet person for giving us a verbal 🙂

We appreciate him for it

[proud epoch]

Lolllllllllllllllllll

[willow garnet]

gotchu

[ionic jetty]

Shoulve been playing Razormind...

PD2 > PD3

[mild raptor]

true

[robust geyser]

Honestly just do it end this whole bump stuff

Devs see suggestion based on creation data anyways might as well make it the same for users

[cosmic shadow]

man i didnt even care about this thread i was just bumping because it showed up under suggestions without me having to look for it in the forum

[robust geyser]

Yeah but the problem is new members (or alts for all I know) are bumping suggestions from months ago that clearly nobody else is ever going to talk about.

So it just turns into “hey they bumped their thread lets bump ours”

[cosmic shadow]

i had no idea ||BUMPBUMPBUMPBUMP||

not like those suggestions were any good either

we have stuff like this

[proud epoch]

Mhm, like Rust does Lolz

[ionic jetty]

me when my block hand suddenly splits open into 5 blocky sausages

https://tenor.com/view/no-oh-the-horror-mortified-no-no-no-my-name-is-earl-gif-5376630

[proud epoch]

Lolz

[ionic jetty]

New reaction imagine for you guys

[ionic jetty]

Boys I found this cool stick

[deft yoke]

Yooo

[proud epoch]

W

😄

[dusty merlin]

but you don't misbehave, you're a good medic

[ionic jetty]

I am going to misbehave

[dusty merlin]

scawy

[proud epoch]

Nah u wont misbehave cause these mods watching

[placid ore]

We have some that do this already, and they're quite nice. I've yet to see any balance issues arise from it, AND it makes intuitive sense too.

The US armed forces are NOTORIOUS for issuing subpar quality basics, and the members in them often buy the more expensive stuff themselves for use on the job because it's a small price to pay if it means potentially saving your life.

One could say they EARN better attachments (by earning a paycheck to buy it with), and I don't see why we couldn't do the same with kills earning us slightly improved gear to fight with.

There's really no reason NOT to have it be that way in the game.

I get not having all attachments be this way, or even most attachments, but a small thing like mags would only give players something to strive for without harshly impacting balance, AND providing a nod toward the game's milsim background (via a small degree of realism).

[dusty merlin]

milsim bbr died months ago buddy

[placid ore]

It's a gentle nod to the game's roots, not a full on hardcore session with Sasha Grey...

[dusty merlin]

i'm aware but still, oki and vil publicly admitted defeat and gave in to arcade players, milsim mode won't be real until 2069

[placid ore]

I'm not asking for anything remotely milsim, im asking for a reasonable, intuitive design.

The proposed one not only does that in the best way possible (so players don't feel like everything they love is getting an unnecessary nerf, or changed in a way that screws their favorite builds), but it also happens to have an eloquent, subtle acknowledgement of the game's history.

[dusty merlin]

i don't give a crap, neither do the devs cause they are already reworking mags lol

[pearl coral]

[proud epoch]

Then they need to say it here so we ALL know.

[deft yoke]

Straight upgrades can affect pick rates of attachments by a lot, making others irrelevant purely out of the fact that they are a safe bet
There are exceptions where you can provide only upsides, but having all attachments be simply straight upgrade after straight upgrade is not exactly a good idea in a multiplayer shooter.

[ionic jetty]

Because at that point, why even have other attachments

[ionic jetty]

Have a picture of a very photogenic rodent

[dusty merlin]

he so cute

[deft yoke]

Silly rodent

[dusty merlin]

r0dent

[placid ore]

Oh, naturally.

But to be fair, a straight upgrade over basic default doesn't outweigh the benefits in a case where mag size IS what you need for your situation or preference.

It won't effect the performance or viability of the others, nor is it imbalanced. (Provided, of course, they're actually well balanced in the first place... [looking at you, AK15 ext. mags that make the gun horrifically unusable due to extremely long swap time].)

And some things WILL be picked more than others, just because it looks more appealing.

But that doesn't mean those things shouldn't be in the game, nor does it invalidate the less-chosen options.

[still harness]

give us a regular variant of the nromal, short , exteended, etc.. then give us upgrades based on those attachments?

[ionic jetty]

That's similar to a thing I previously suggested, actually

UUUUH, tl;dr of that suggestion:

For example, give us Quick-A and Quick-B. Quick-A is a fair trade off mag, you get reload speed, you lose something else, but both of these effects are rather marginal. You won't gain much from it, but you will also not lose much.

Quick-B is much more drastic in numbers, a muc faster reload speed but a much bigger drawback in turn.

[proud epoch]

Yessir!

[deft yoke]

This is basically what extended B/ quick B (on ACR) should do in theory

[still harness]

I was thinking having a base Mag(normal), short, extended, then having different versions of those 3 that are upgrades to the base, but have different drawbacks of of the other two

[ionic jetty]

That would work too, yeah

at the end of the day, both of those methods actually make picking your mag more of a genuine choice

[vast eagle]

🙄

[pearl coral]

What is the meaning of this vily boi

[vast eagle]

😏

[pearl coral]

Pretty please, leek mag rework

[vast eagle]

🫢

[mild raptor]

Vil when can we experience Wakistan rework leaks?

[pearl coral]

No balls

[mild raptor]

they are so huge they would break discord api

[dusty merlin]

oki: confused on the game's state - how do you say?
larry: german - my mom just brought me something to eat
vil: haha trolling the community go brrrrrrr (edit) - ||you're a virgin 😄 (if yk yk )||

[pearl coral]

Oki: "How do you call?"

Larry: "German rambling"

Vilaskis:

[ionic jetty]

Vil is annoyed by our peaceful protesting and yapping

[proud epoch]

LMFAOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[vast eagle]

🤫

[dry ember]

[ionic jetty]

Guys

The weird men are back again

What do they want

[pearl coral]

🤫 🧏‍♂️

[ionic jetty]

Are… are you mewing

[mortal mountain]

Is he?

[dusty merlin]

he is

[glossy monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/328817840025108484/1097619289709756647/c58bffd50dcf78d7f756b2827c671724.mp4?ex=6651a0df&is=66504f5f&hm=ec1ce577e7c992c58e29cb71eddd8c879d93f3b3511cd0dbc439628944a3feb8&

[deft yoke]

Mag rework my beloved has been confirmed

Again

[raw lily]

See you in another 1,500 messages

[deft yoke]

I hope not

[raw lily]

Same here mr mark. Same here

[ionic jetty]

If we get this post to 500 checkmarks @deft yoke will make his OF free

[deft yoke]

Yes

[ionic jetty]

Also why do you… not have any roles

[deft yoke]

Discord prestige

[proud epoch]

Wheres ur roles?

[deft yoke]

Removed due to prestige

[proud epoch]

Oh lol. Prestiege me up too my guy!

[dusty merlin]

r0dent

[lost owl]

if this game gets modding, I shall attempt to make a Ratten tank

[placid ore]

I'm noticing that the largest downside to extended mags is how outrageous the move speed nerf on them is.
-14% move speed is the LOWEST i've seen yet, and -22 is the highest (not counting drum mags).

You lose a RIDICULOUS amount of speed just for carrying an extra 5-10 bullets per mag (about 1.25lbs in total, or 0.57kg).

If that tiny little weight makes THAT much of a difference, then throwing a single standard grenade (1.5lbs/0.6kg) should give you an extra 0.20 move speed buff.

Both from a balance and an intuitive design standpoint, it's simply unreasonable.

[dusty merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[lost owl]

So ya know that the speed buffs and penalties are halved of what displayed, right?

[deft yoke]

Still debuffs are too big

Half or not

They have gajillion downsides

[lost owl]

not saying they shouldn't be reworked

Just mentioning that detail

[deft yoke]

Ik just sayin

[lost owl]

But magazine capacity does have diminishing returns after a while

(more precisely after around 50 rounds)

but yea, I am still hoping we get these magazines reworked to being not red everywhere

[proud epoch]

Infestation!

https://tenor.com/view/swatting-slap-fly-fly-swatting-bug-gif-17827869

[dusty merlin]

i need the magfia to help these toaster players https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1243949031164608582
spread the word!

[proud epoch]

Alr

[mortal mountain]

M249 has new attachment slots?

Stock I'm pretty sure is ghillie, there's a mag one, grip is customization, new charm point asw

that is also in fact the best photo I could get

[ionic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/pixel-remover-gif-5045275577796192869

[mortal mountain]

not my fault the vod was uploaded in 1080P

[deft yoke]

Some guns are getting mag slots, like ultimax
But m249?

What other kind of mag could you put on it anyways

Maybe thats a dev build they are showing, hence why it has mag option

[still harness]

stagnag

[deft yoke]

Oh dear god

[still harness]

might be easy to just add the stuff from the m4 as well and more extended box options for it

[mortal mountain]

^

[proud epoch]

They finally listened

Geez

[proud epoch]

Your voice has been heard!

[mortal mountain]

All guns my friend

[deft yoke]

Welp ig we getting 30 rounder m249

[dusty merlin]

stanag m249

[lost owl]

it does accept M4 magazine, and bigger belts maybe?

[deft yoke]

From what i looked up, we could also get 200 round soft pouch mag

[lost owl]

150-200 round belt time?

So afew options

30, 45, 100 and 200 round options come to mind

Could it accept a drum magazine?

(Yes this is crazy)

[deft yoke]

Not to my knowledge

[lost owl]

(I am more curious since I never asked that question prior)

but it is nice we are getting some magazine love

[deft yoke]

Curious on whats the lowest mag size going to be

Will it be 30 or 45

Or we will get both

[lost owl]

good question

I would hope 45 here, wouldn't say no to both through

[glossy monolith]

nah it will be some random ass number like 23

[lost owl]

Otherwise I would heavily enjoy if we got a 200 round belt assuming it comes with (HOPEFULLY) a magazine rework

[deft yoke]

Mag rework coming 100%

Was confirmed

[lost owl]

nice to hear

I missed the last devcast

So this should be a very nice update

[deft yoke]

There are still questionable changes but a lot of good ones as well

[lost owl]

Hey, there always are some questionable changes when updates get LARGE

[deft yoke]

True

Come to think of it

Will pistols also get mags

[lost owl]

Good question

[still harness]

20 rounders in the future?

[lost owl]

could be a interesting time

[pearl coral]

Dafuq would you do with a 30 round M249

[deft yoke]

Speed

Support speed

[pearl coral]

L86

[lone lake]

im sure you could fit it pretty well into a niche build

[proud epoch]

Fr

Wait, your the guy clowning on peoples suggestions in other threads too

I remember you

[ionic jetty]

Drip

[ionic jetty]

You know what’s crazy about #bbr-news

No mention of magazine rework…

[deft yoke]

They literally confirmed the mag rework in announcements

[ionic jetty]

Well we already knew it was CONFIRMED

WE NEED NUMBERS DAMNIT

[deft yoke]

That i agree

We need to see the numbers

[ionic jetty]

@neon fable hey man, can we get some gay magazines in time for pride month?
Some rainbow taped mags would be dope (I’m running out of things to say in this thread)

[neon fable]

not really planning to do cosmetics as of right now

[ionic jetty]

That’s totally fair actually

Also nice hat bro

[deft yoke]

In the future we shall get stalinium tape and mag panties as skins

[dusty merlin]

average psyche of a bbr player

(oki edging us with the update as hard as valve or respawn with a third title in their game franchises)

[pearl coral]

Valve cant count to three so thats kinda on you for waiting

[dusty merlin]

but l4d3 and titanfall 3

[ionic jetty]

Wdym, we have back 4 blood

[dusty merlin]

1. it's ass

2. it has bad performance

3. it's ass

[ionic jetty]

But I can count to 4

[dusty merlin]

4. it's cringe

[cosmic shadow]

World W ar Z

Zzzzz.

[white ibex]

Deep rock

[dry ember]

https://tenor.com/view/its-happening-friday-gif-12932795

[raw lily]

whats all this

[dry ember]

🤫

[torpid widget]

https://tenor.com/view/get-up-on-outta-here-vinny-assisted-living-get-out-of-here-leave-gif-18645147

[raw lily]

[torpid widget]

you saw nothing

[pearl coral]

The 15th

[deft yoke]

My god

They are cooking something

[ionic jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-panic-anxiety-scared-cats-gif-27482371

[mortal mountain]

and heere I was thinking they were alr done

hope this means we don't get any recoil penalties

[lost owl]

This should be a interesting time next update

Lots of changes

[ionic jetty]

Left me out for real…

I was one of the earliest supporters damnit!

I FOUNDED THE BLOODY MAFIA

PUT SOME RESPECT ON MY EXISTENCE MI AMOR 🤌 🇮🇹

[old stone]

Ah my bad, but still honor u on our heart

[ionic jetty]

Nah…

Mods, cut off his balls.

[deft yoke]

His balls will be used as chum for the fishes

[glossy monolith]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1226969886744379462/1246468801147568211/doom-face-doomguy.gif?ex=666ef508&is=666da388&hm=ab4c8b928f6e4f01c1a95d1f836f9498753a5ce946a78e1d801a9ec6b0e19236&

2 pinned msg

[deft yoke]

This thread came a long way didnt it

[raw lily]

Battlebits only just begun cooking baybe

[pearl coral]

He spelt maybe wrong

[dusty merlin]

battlebits? 👀

[proud epoch]

Thread kinda died out, no?

[pearl coral]

Mysterious msg pin with no follow up kinda does that

[dusty merlin]

they are out there, ready to 1984 anyone

[dusty merlin]

but why the fuck are you an anti riot member? what is an anti riot?

and can i eat it?

[deft yoke]

I mean whats left to talk about rn

[split flicker]

the industrial revolution

[dusty merlin]

he's just like me fr

[ionic jetty]

The fact that we’re the most superior and civilised thread on the server

[dusty merlin]

inertia v6 (idfk how many there were ) was funnier though

[deft yoke]

True

[cosmic shadow]

i think at least 3

(5 probably from this suggestions category)

[onyx bramble]

who knew that a thread that's universally agreed upon to be needed wouldn't be very toxic

[ionic jetty]

Fuck you learn to play you actual prestige 0 accessory

[onyx bramble]

Ummm I'm prestige 1 🤓 ☝️

[ionic jetty]

Yeah, and what’s “1” spells out?

“One”

And what’s that at the start?

“O”

And what does that look like?

0

Get fucked

[proper nymph]

[ionic jetty]

Mathematically proven that 1 = 0

[strong idol]

[ionic jetty]

Look at these fools

Thwarted in their attempt to defy us

Crushed in their ambition to topple the Magfia

A folly. A fool’s errand. Doomed from the moment it was conceived.

[ionic jetty]

[white ibex]