Rebalance armor (limb damage reduce?)

[slow sphinx]

armor doesn't really fits into the game now. high armor doesn't matter most of the time because of full damage being done to limbs and it cannot be repaired. so, my suggestions are:

1. reduce damage done to limbs like it is done in CS2 or other similar games;
2. make armor hitbox bigger so it would cover more body parts;
3. add an armor-penetration stat for guns so SMGS would do less damage to it and DMR's or snipers do more;
4. allow some kind of repair-armor thing (like a feature for assault/support/engi, for example?)

[nova vale]

stfu

[echo heron]

i agree with armor rework but i think just remove limb damage difference make it same on all limb+body but make armor cover whole body for consistency. limbs are too big lmao

[grim venture]

are we gonna just scoot past the fact that you quite literally get a 10,000lb Sarcophagus that is made of Vibranium on Support

[wind sierra]

are we gonna talk about how it doesn't do shit

[grim venture]

im sorry

you said what now ?

[wind sierra]

it does effectively nothing but hinder the user

[grim venture]

that looks like it covers more to me no

??

[wind sierra]

sure a bullet here and there but that's it

[grim venture]

"a bullet here or there"

dude its literally 15% more coverage

its got a bigger hitbox for the armour plate

[wind sierra]

and?
you won't be shooting there anyways would you? and besides, why would you aim on the edge of the body and not center mass?

[grim venture]

If you would let me finish

the helmet has 37 durability

the next highest durabuility is heavy helm on assault

and thats 25

so 12 more dmg (the base elmet does 12 )

so essentially you have 2 helmets

for one class item

lmao

[wind sierra]

sure go on, not like i stopped you from writing

but you also loose 10% ads speed

that's a bunch

[grim venture]

And to top it all off you get the damage of 2 helmets all at 5%

its 5% less

change a attachment and you get no ads penalty

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[wind sierra]

no one tries to max out their ads speed on an lmg or lsg

[whole spruce]

just remove armor and where’s the problem

[grim venture]

^^

[wind sierra]

class identity...

[whole spruce]

i am currently engaged in class warfare

[wind sierra]

ah yes the oppressed medic against the oppressing support lmao
oh wait suppressive fire via bipodded lmg might actually be oppressive now :0
i think i'm onto something

[grim venture]

are you talking to yourself

in text

[whole spruce]

schizo

[grim venture]

how tf am i supposed to read that

[wind sierra]

the rats...

[grim venture]

schlammajumper moment

[whole spruce]

good thing it doesn’t need an identity

[wind sierra]

don't worry, just a bit of crazy things

[grim venture]

a bit huh

okay

[wind sierra]

?

[whole spruce]

remove support

[grim venture]

i agree

[wind sierra]

aw come on

why?

[grim venture]

its broken

lmao

[wind sierra]

lmgs, lsws and ammo is fun

[grim venture]

all can be done without the exo arrmor

so

your point is

you like the guns and the ammo

not support

[wind sierra]

that is literally supports thing

[mental lion]

if i cant survive a tank shell its not enough armor!

[wind sierra]

thing is, exo is just sucky for both sides

[grim venture]

how does it suck for you

its 2x armor

[wind sierra]

it fucks too much with ttk but it also doesn't feel like it doesn't block anything because the ttk increase isn't really felt on the supports end
combine that with very bad movement speed and ads stats that just makes it even worse, on top of that you got the 1 time use so... yeah

also a little leg munching or toe gobbling does the trick

it would be a lot more balanced if armor as a whole got a rework and exo becomes the same as heavy in terms of bullet blocking but with a certain resistance against explosives

(i use normal armor + exo helmet btw because everything else is just 💀)

[noble phoenix]

Why dont you run medic for 10 games and see how many times you insta die trying to peak/run from cover

then play support again and realize all the dink sounds is you living when you shouldnt have

[wind sierra]

buddy 💀

i main assault

[noble phoenix]

Ya and im just gonna know that. You're a idiot.

You're just some random

crying about armor

[wind sierra]

dude

funny thing is you can't even effectively peek with exo due to how slow it is

play every class for more than an hour and get some actual experience lmao

i literally stated how it sucks for both sides

and that it needs a rework

[noble phoenix]

You can, what are you saying lmao

[clear aurora]

Is this the part where I go into #1138399550210576466 and start posting a picture of heavy duty armor every day until it gets buffed

[noble phoenix]

do you even know how to properly operate any of the classes in the game?

[wind sierra]

yes you can, it just isn't very instant nor even effective

[wind sierra]

i do...

[clear aurora]

Yes, medic runs around and top frags

[noble phoenix]

So you're telling me you pull up to a spot where you want to aim and shoot someone and you look first then aim?

Like obviously not.

You aim first then peek, like a normal person.

you just do it earlier on support

[wind sierra]

448.7h in total played
with 189.24 of those on assault
139 on medic and 58.4 on support

i think i can say i got some experience with all these classes

[wind sierra]

it still is not that effective compared to assault or medic lol

btw coming into a until then civil conversation with insults is a little... spicy if you ask me

[manic skiff]

t

[clear aurora]

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[noble phoenix]

You might have wanted to make this as a comparison between assault or medic the first time you stated it. Not just flat out saying " You cant even effectively peek with exo due to how slow it is. You can peek effectively with any class, you have to change up how you do it like I said you have to aim earlier. With your amount of hours you should have learned from that by now. You're also not insulted, i doubt you're actually going to bed thinking about some random calling you an idiot on the internet.

[wind sierra]

i'm not thinking about that, just makes you look like a fool tbh

and ofc you can peek it's just not nearly as effective

[noble phoenix]

Armor Is a 1 time use to add extra HP to a player. If you played your role properly you wouldn't need armor at all.

[wind sierra]

then why does support start out with exo at lvl 0?

[grim venture]

bc it makes the game easier to play

its training wheels

[wind sierra]

it doesn't

it literally doesn't

[grim venture]

you are delusinal

its legit giving you 2x helmet armor

delulu

[wind sierra]

you might survive a few more bullets in one maybe two if you get lucky engagements

[noble phoenix]

Yes it in fact is. A support with a 5 second ads time can peek you and instantly kill you just like a 1 nanosecond medic peek can peek you and instantly kill you.

[grim venture]

@wind sierra can u post a picture of your playtime and account statistics here

[wind sierra]

but even then, the upsides just don't outweigh the downsides in gameplay, you will get damaged and you will loose the next fight

[grim venture]

im curious as to what kinda player you atre

[noble phoenix]

Cause anyone who knows their ads is slow is natually going to aim in sooner before they peek the corner.

[grim venture]

just the soldiger tab will do

[wind sierra]

a casual player who sometimes has his moments

[grim venture]

can you send a picture

that would be easier

[wind sierra]

i'm not afraid to admit i was very bad at the start on top of using assault

[clear aurora]

Is this a stat checkpoint what’s going on

[grim venture]

i just want to understand his playstyle

bc rn i cant understand how he thinks exo armor isnt broken

[noble phoenix]

Do you seriously think any player who is much more skilled than you is going to use exo armor or any armor on their class?

[wind sierra]

uhm no xD

no one uses it who can avoid it lol

[noble phoenix]

then there you go, you have nothing else

Armor is for babys

take it off

mr 400hs

[wind sierra]

i told you i don't use exo lmfao

[grim venture]

still waiting for the soldier tab

[clear aurora]

Well I’m a Honey Badger medic shithead who focussed on healing but going for the occasional flank and I tell you, even with the HORRIBLY inaccurate HB I win against support EASILY.

[noble phoenix]

you're using assault, then take off the armor.

[wind sierra]

i am running around with ranger + no helmet wtf are you thinking

[noble phoenix]

Then why are you in here supporting armor

lol

[wind sierra]

and then a val, fal or p90

[noble phoenix]

its for new players

[wind sierra]

i would use the scorpion on assault aswell if i could

[grim venture]

then why are you defending more armor

you befuddle me

[wind sierra]

and this has fucked up my stats so hard that even with an average 2kd per round at about 40 kills (had two 80 kill games on salhan but those were peak) my kpm is only at 1,0 k/m and my overall kd is 1.63

[clear aurora]

Armor really isn’t that strong…

[grim venture]

just send a fuckin picture

please

its not that hard

i dont need a story

[wind sierra]

just so you can go "haha "no skill" no weight to his argument" or what?

[grim venture]

Bro is a gamer

[wind sierra]

you got the info of how i am doing now and what classes/weapons i'm using

[grim venture]

yeah and it dont make sense

[noble phoenix]

So this suggestion solved itself. Armor is not changing, its effective for new players and when you get better like yourself sclammjumper then you take it off. Closed.

[wind sierra]

yeah but it doesn't change the fact of how bad the armor is for both sides

[grim venture]

@molten marten Can you please resolve this ticket ❤️

[wind sierra]

it sucks for your bullets to be sponged up but also how your seemingly thick armor just crumbles into dust within no time

[glossy wren]

el bowzoo

[wind sierra]

also no way to repair or anything

[grim venture]

you wanna repair your ranger armor

go play Warzone

[wind sierra]

nahh

[grim venture]

plate user

[wind sierra]

i don't play cod

[molten marten]

what?

[grim venture]

you should

[wind sierra]

i will never touch the cess pool that is AAA shooter games

[grim venture]

we found resolution to this suggestion

So this suggestion solved itself. Armor is not changing, its effective for new players and when you get better like yourself sclammjumper then you take it off. Closed.

[wind sierra]

that's no solution tho, it's a bad system for both sides that needs adjusments

[noble phoenix]

Yeah you're not allowed to run around with double hp for multiple gunfights. Im sorry but that doesn't make any sense.

[clear aurora]

I don’t see how two people agreeing on a consensus that they CAME IN WITH solves the suggestion addressed to the entire player base.

[wind sierra]

(it's a disability after a few stray shots)

[glossy wren]

[vivid crag]

[clear aurora]

Armor is weak, I barely worry about it’s EXISTENCE when I play. Both on myself and on enemies

[noble phoenix]

When armor breaks then your move speed should increase by the amount that it was reduced by. Thats the only change you're probably going to get.

[vivid crag]

I think that's fair

[wind sierra]

yeah hopefully

[vivid crag]

I hate it when my armor breaks and i still have the movement penalty

[noble phoenix]

You're never going to get armor increased hitbox, or hp amount.

[glossy wren]

I really hate air strafe fr

[vivid crag]

bro this is armor chat

[grim venture]

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[wind sierra]

it's not about increasing that lol

[glossy wren]

oh i though this was the clueless chat myb

[wind sierra]

it's about fixing the bs that is the armor disability syndrom (ads)

[glossy wren]

myb wrong server

[grim venture]

i know of a differnt syndrome i think applies here

[vivid crag]

[wind sierra]

nuh uh don't say it, bad word

[clear aurora]

Stockholm Syndrome because I keep thinking this game wants the best for me when it’s really just after my balls

[glossy wren]

[hard narwhal]

[ornate fern]

so to make sure I understand

1. Reduce limb damage by how much? 0.9x, 0.8x,0.7x?
2. suppose a question is where & which
3. So damage absorption similar to TFC but on a per weapon basis rather than armor
4. AGREED, assault & support would both do well, I feel engineer has a bit of a full plate

side note on arms we could do a second check, if it would've hit the chest as well it hits the chest rather than the arms (and if it only would hit arms, it would do damage there)

[slow sphinx]

1. I suppose its would fit well at around 0.55-0.7x
2. make it consistent for every armor skin and make it cover more space on your hitbox (+shoulders and top part of the legs?)
3. yeah like individual parameter for each weapon/weapon class to balance things up further (dont think that anyone would disagree that game is still a balance mess)

definetly higher than 0.5x tho. m110 two-shotting an assault at arms or legs is just pure kekw

[whole spruce]

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[manic skiff]

they needa buff exo

[drowsy sigil]

yeah I'm tired of trying to hold a line of sight and getting instantly blasted through my armor by an SMG medic

[echo heron]

they need to rework armor just not buff exo itself

[wind sierra]

*rework

[wind sierra]

you can, it's called legs and arms 😉