Inertia

[turbid geyser]

It's what half the thread looks like honestly

[glass roost]

yup, like i am a 9 to 5 enjoyer and go gym at that so i only have 2-3 hr of playtime and i play multiple games (i max play 1-2 matches cuz its fucking boring with no more progression after lv 150). LEGIT i dont have any problems killing people that are prestige 10+ that do this type of movement

short answer to this thread is skill issue but people dont wanna admit it lmao

[worldly phoenix]

No, everyone has been pretty clear on the point that none of that is hard

It's just stupid fucking annoying having to wave your mouse around

Why don't we force everyone to solve a sudoku before reloading that will surely add more skill

[glass roost]

[misty sail]

Its true. Everything thay comes out of your mouth from here on out must be true.

Not unbalanced, unfun.

[turbid geyser]

Why is it unfun?

[misty sail]

Oh idk i was just rephrasing someone elses arguement

[unborn kiln]

suppose a question is effectiveness due to speed differences

[misty sail]

I personally don't like the wiggle movement judt because it requires constant sweat to compete with other people

[unborn kiln]

which could be argued to be different effect/not indentical to each

[turbid geyser]

I argue that it really doesn't though, in a frontline match for example, I run into max 4-5 people that can use those movements effectively, and it's even less that I see them actually perform them, and not die immediately after - I imagine if you're playing Dom or Conq, it'll be an even less of a probability, the little amount of people that actually perform these movements is a testament to the skill expression

4-5 on the opposing team I must say, if I were to estimate, maybe 10-15 people per match can do those movements from my personal experience, and in a place with 254 people total, that is quite the minority

The majority of individuals are sat in a building, holding and angle, not moving, not flying around being untouchable (they die in 10s mostly)

[ebon ether]

skill expression meanwhile you'd call my gameplay average/casual and i'm doing that stuff

[icy bridge]

Youre so close

[ebon ether]

to what?

[turbid geyser]

I haven't said a thing about your gameplay as of so far, other than you were using the same clips over and over

[icy bridge]

His whole point is that the movement requires skill to do. Why do you think that you trying and failing to do movement is an argument against that?

[turbid geyser]

Plus, being casual doesn't mean you're unable to have skill expression, it just depends on where you're at compared, I'm really good at another game, I play it casually, and that is still better than 95% of the general playerbase

[ebon ether]

i never posted any clips 🤷

[turbid geyser]

Ah you're right, I was mistaken

[ebon ether]

i don't fail, i spearhead pushes with that sort of stuff, but just because one thing requires a bit of skill doesn't mean the counter to it takes the same amount of skill, or if you allow - this games movement has a skill floor and skill ceiling that are barely distant meanwhile games that have insane movement embeded in their core idea take some skill to get into and a whole lot of it while still having their movement be predictable

[turbid geyser]

Why isn't BBR classed of having "insane movement" embedded in their core, I would argue it's part of the core game, mechanics and physics, no game has a the movement physics you abide by, it's just what you want to do, Titanfall 2 has insane movement, doesn't mean you will utilise it, and who's fault is that? I think it's the player

I just wonder why people are advocating for the change of addition of inertia which would embrace a slower and methodical playstyle, instead of embracing the arcade factor of the game that shows much more creative potential.

[ebon ether]

this game is supposed to be "between arcade and milsim" both of those genres don't really have "insane movement" plastered to them right?
and while yes it takes some skill to do the spinning, it is also mind numbingly shallow and doesn't allow for anything else then "w + sprint + mouse go whoosh" - if you get what i mean -, but at the same time these stupidly easy maneuvers are so effective against the broad majority of casuals that will keep the game going

[turbid geyser]

Arcade-FPS games are literally the embodiment of insane movement, I agree, the balancing between arcade and milsim isn't exactly, well combining styles

[ebon ether]

i personally really don't want "inertia" (think bf), just a nerf to spinning and if people can't skill diff casuals anymore - doubts on that one btw - then add sliding or some shit

[turbid geyser]

no sliding please, it'll be doomed

[unborn kiln]

depends on the arcade game in question I guess

"insane movement" isn't what comes to my mind immedately with planetside 2 as a example

nor battlefield

[ebon ether]

doomed
ultrakilled

[worldly phoenix]

Great, then we do away with it and the playerbase would barely even move

[unborn kiln]

isn't that apart of insane movement through?

[austere sierra]

Most people who knew insane movement in BF were comp players
A lot of BF players don’t even know that there was a competitive scene

And that game had some broken movement tech

[ebon ether]

but i appreciate(d) the civil discourse @turbid geyser

[turbid geyser]

"w + sprint + mouse go whoosh"
I believe this is a little bit of a under evaluation of the movement, sure, I don't think it's all that complex, but it isn't so simple, may look as though when watching, but it's a lot about placement

[turbid geyser]

Sliding is not insane movement, as much as the COD controller players spamming changing weapons and sliding may say it is, it isn't

[ebon ether]

eh i get away with all sorts of shit when doing it, even as a support of all things

[unborn kiln]

(thinks of D2 shotguns as well)

[turbid geyser]

Why get away with something that isn't a generic problem and truly a uncommon experience to verse

[icy bridge]

sliding is boring

[ebon ether]

sliding is fun

[turbid geyser]

I wouldn't class either PS2 or BF as "arcade" games

[icy bridge]

maybe in quake 4

[turbid geyser]

Quake is an arcade-fps, Gear's of war also

[unborn kiln]

they aren't realistic by several means either

and they 100% aren't milsims

So arcade is where I would place them on the scale

[turbid geyser]

The initial point wasn't anything to do with realism or milsim

[ebon ether]

ok then casual fps games would've been the better wording ig

[turbid geyser]

I would class them as generally casual, sure

[unborn kiln]

I would consider BF a casual FPS through

be it still more arcadey in a lot of ways compared to say, squad

[ebon ether]

and that's kind of the thing oki wants yk

[vast glacier]

Yeah

[turbid geyser]

Arcade is more so based on the entirely unrealistic / general sci-fi insane flying around shit, like Quake for example

[unborn kiln]

suppose a question through is what will be considered the skill level to balance around

[vast glacier]

...

[unborn kiln]

Err, Planetside 2?

[ebon ether]

wouldn't nessecerealy agree with that but fair enough

[unborn kiln]

That is a good few things I could apply to it

[worldly phoenix]

How's that Quake pop doing

[turbid geyser]

I am talking about the physics of the individual, not the fact it's in space, with space stuff ect

[ebon ether]

wwz aftermath for example is very much arcade

[unborn kiln]

You got the light assaults & ESFs, among other aircraft flying around a sci fi world with people made of nanites & so on

Impulse grenades?

the jetpacks in general

[worldly phoenix]

Same reason you nerf Little Bird even if it's a single person per server shitting on others

[unborn kiln]

(LOOKING AT YOU Drifter jumpjets & your ice skating mid air)

[turbid geyser]

So, a single person, destroying EVERYONE in a Little bird, equates to you having a 10/127 possibility at max of running into an individual that has good movement is compared?

[worldly phoenix]

Nope

lrn2qualitative vs quantitative comparisons

Uncommon unfun dynamics are unfun dynamics

[turbid geyser]

Many may have the opinion of it being unfun, but the real question is, "is it a problem"

[sly monolith]

no

[turbid geyser]

cause I imagine you're not exactly going under in K/D ratio because of the movement players

[worldly phoenix]

No I am not, I am just being annoyed, which is not what I play a game for

I don't care going 0/20 if I did so playing in a way I had fun

[turbid geyser]

Then would you say it's a personal issue?

[unborn kiln]

suppose a question to ask, are hackers a issue?

they are unfun to fight against generally, but rare esh for the "smarter" ones

[worldly phoenix]

Yes, imagine that, I am person having an issue, hence communicating a personal issue. And it so happens many others agree.

[unborn kiln]

To clarify I don't mean a large deal of hackers

nor do I mean ones using hard aimbots & such

[turbid geyser]

then I would argue your mentality is at fault given you have a distinct hatred/disliking towards someone who is putting in an effort into the game they so very enjoy, there is no problem in playing the video game in the way that you intend, I said this about Titanfall 2 earlier, but you shouldn't exactly dislike individuals abilities to perform an action because you cannot handle it

If I were to go against someone who was sweating their ass off, and they beat the shit outa me ( I literally die to movement players 80% of the time cause I am ass), I don't sit there and think, "That movement is a problem" my personal view is, "I am not good enough to deal with that, I should practice/get better"

[worldly phoenix]

Good for you, didn't really ask though.

[turbid geyser]

Once again, mentality issue, I am sorry for trying to communicate a personal opinion like you have done so yourself, pleasure talking

[worldly phoenix]

Personal opinions are irrelevant. The facts seemingly agreed upon everybody here is that most people can't or won't bother exploiting movement to its maximum degree.

[vast glacier]

@turbid geyser can you stop arguing

[ebon ether]

too an extent i can agree but i also like to put such things into perspective regarding what the game wants to be and more importantly what the casuals think about it (spoiler a bunch of them don't like it, like a huge bunch of them)

[turbid geyser]

If you were to read the thread, it's obviously not "agreed upon" given why this thread is a thing in the first-place, it's a place to discuss and converse, I won't be continuing this conversation because your clear desire to not actually converse, but to only state.

[worldly phoenix]

Can you cite any message here stating that everybody is jumping and spinning all over all the time?

[turbid geyser]

By all means, I understand that many dislike certain things, I dislike supports having the armour that they do, but I won't exactly advocate for it to be changed or what not, It's generally just a conversation of where the community would want the devs to take the game. Casual player-base is very important, but that doesn't mean to should adhere to everything said by that majority.

[buoyant wren]

Good take

[ebon ether]

exo has to change at some point, all armors have to
specifically exo feels ass for both sides tho

[buoyant wren]

Majority doesn't always equal priority imo, you still need to listen to the smaller groups

[turbid geyser]

Agreed

[ebon ether]

again i love that this convo is actually civil ❤️

[worldly phoenix]

Way to state platitudes with zero actionable content

[turbid geyser]

Obviously, I imagine newer dev teams/companies would adhere to that majority, as it would likely sustain the most players for longer, but that may only be, keeping old players, not bringing in new ones, broadening the scope is important, having something for most for them to enjoy, I personally believe more milsim/realistic aspects are anything unique or special, it doesn't drive a new audience, just reaffirms the old one

[ebon ether]

only to a certain extend in certain situations tho, the game would be a fuckfest if only supports, snipers, medics, sweats, casuals, vehicles or whoever was the driving force behind balancing

[turbid geyser]

I say likewise to you, only you of course lmao

[ebon ether]

yeah i hate that this shit is just "skill issue" or "movetard" 90% of the time

[buoyant wren]

It's bad if you keep listening to the same group over a over again for balance changes, eventually you will bleed players and only be left with a handful who are hardcore stuck on the game

[buoyant wren]

You need to listen to both and act accordingly for the betterment of the game

[ebon ether]

couldn't be me stuck to this game

[buoyant wren]

Listen to both parties and come with a compromise

[vast glacier]

Well I gave 2 options

[turbid geyser]

In my opinion, I am against the implementation of inertia into the base-game, I think it's more than fine being a setting that servers can enable or disable, which it is

Inertia is in the game, just the majority of servers have it disabled (I think community, not sure about official)

[unborn kiln]

a type of inertia that is eithera on or off rigel

[buoyant wren]

For me if I ever see inertia added I would expect some compensation with the addition of movement options

[unborn kiln]

so not Inertia in general, which would be customizable

[ebon ether]

compromises have been made but ignored

[buoyant wren]

As of rn, inertia won't solve anything, it will only loose players

[buoyant wren]

And what were they?

[worldly phoenix]

You do know that some of us actually play every class, vehicle and can go full on sweat yet or spend a whole game with zero kills just demolishing buildings right? And it's not hard, once you understand what being in every possible position feels like, to figure out which things completely fuck over most groups for marginal enjoyment in a single one.

[ebon ether]

i play assault, medic, support and sometimes sniper lol

[unborn kiln]

buried if I recall

[frigid shale]

Bro just had the epiphany that not everyone gets what they want

[buoyant wren]

[worldly phoenix]

May you one day have the epiphany of what reading comprehension feels like 😔 🙏

[ebon ether]

"""inertia""" that only starts affecting you lightly once you air spin and in no other situation
or
cs style, continued jumping making you lose speed iirc

[turbid geyser]

elaborate, what do you refer as with "type of inertia" and "inertia in general"

[unborn kiln]

Inertia like most things, is a scale

[crisp plover]

true, delete casuals and turn bbr into a movement shooter that desperately needs deodorant

[unborn kiln]

You don't have one flavor,in gaming in general you have SEVERAL that can do a lot or a little, be precise on a sitution or a in general change

[ebon ether]

ultrakill movement, now 🗣️

[icy bridge]

What do you mean cs style? CS doesnt have this, it has bunnyhopping

[frigid shale]

This isn’t inertia this is just nerfing air speed lol

[austere sierra]

Ultrakill mod hehe

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/0000-gif-12510432

Inertia ^

[turbid geyser]

My statement was in regards of having inertia implementing into the base of the physics, I wouldn't want it to be "always on", I am happy with it being a select thing, where the server admins can decide "yes or no", so I can enjoy the game how I enjoy it, versing players with that movement skillset

[ebon ether]

"continued jumping makes you lose speed" sorry cs was the only thing that came to my mind

[worldly phoenix]

You do realise that admins can also decide "yes or no" if it's put in as the default mode

[icy bridge]

I still dont understand what you mean. This is only applicable with limited air control.

[turbid geyser]

by admins, you mean devs? or admins of the server, because I know it's already a thing, just majority of servers have it disabled, as stated by the devs during a stream

[ebon ether]

the more you jump repeatetly while moving, the more it makes you lose speed

[frigid shale]

That’s not how inertia works but okay

[buoyant wren]

^

I'd have to agree, that isn't inertia

[worldly phoenix]

Yes, because the current implementation is not at all what people in favor of movement restrictions here want. And also, because people just stay on whatever default settings due to sheer... wait for it... intertia.

[ebon ether]

it isn't a thing, it's "no air strafing" or full mobility

[turbid geyser]

As said, I am fine with inertia existing, just not everywhere "always on", I want servers that don't have it, having the inertia in the base kit "always on" would ruin the games movement systems

[frigid shale]

Epic embed

[crisp plover]

The Inertia thread and its consequences have been a disaster for the human race.

[turbid geyser]

Then it's a fault of devs I were misunderstood if that is the case, cause they stated that was what it was

[unborn kiln]

and starwpoll was deleted...

[ebon ether]

oki doesn't know what inertia means 💀
language barrier and such

[unborn kiln]

hmm,
https: //strawpoll. com/xVg7jVKWMnr

strawpoll

[turbid geyser]

when I say "what it was" I mean, they stated it was the generality of inertia

[frigid shale]

Mods send him to the gas chamber he posted a link

[unborn kiln]

feel free to put your vote on the options

made around 6 of them

[vast glacier]

I report you to my daddy

[icy bridge]

That's not how cs works. The reason you lose speed if you jump without strafing is because hitting the ground applies friction that can only be avoided if you jump on the same tick you hit the ground. This is how bhopping works. In CS you can't add velocity in the air by holding w, so people air-strafe instead.

In bbr if you let go of movement keys you just stop moving all together, in CS you would keep going for as long as your bhopping allows you to.

[ebon ether]

well i had no clue how to lable it otherwise sorry

[crisp plover]

found the cs movement specialist

[icy bridge]

My point is i still have no idea what your suggestion is

[frigid shale]

Chum is GE in Cs btw

[left dagger]

as an actual cs movement specialist i agree with Chum

[icy bridge]

I think he just wants to remove all air control so you cant chain jumps together without losing speed

I have no idea what that has to do with anything anyone is asking for in this thread though.

[pallid pilot]

Who knows what anyone wants anymore the thread is so far gone

[unborn kiln]

for anyone interested, a straw poll

[worn nebula]

i didnt even shoot back 😭

you caught me offguard reloading ngl

[turbid geyser]

it was a bait post they wouldn't even know trust me

[lament dove]

oxygen playing the game? NO WAY!

[celest perch]

game is alive now

[ebon ether]

multiple jumps while moving around?
if true then lower their speed, slow them down
how do you take something about air control out of that text

[icy bridge]

I was trying to rule out ideas that didnt seem to have any thought put into them. What do you hope to accomplish with this? Jumping does not do anything in this game like it does in other games, why would you want to discourage it?

[ebon ether]

air spinning.

also not my idea just smth i saw

[icy bridge]

The devs could remove the jump button from the game completely and every single issue with movement brought up in this thread would go unaddressed. I have no idea where this concept that AIR CONTROL is the issue with movement in the thread about adding INERTIA. It doesnt make sense. If you nerf air movement, people will just stop pressing space, and all of the ‘issues’ persist.

[wise canyon]

Anything ive sent is of me

[glass roost]

fellas we need bf2042 inertia

[wise canyon]

If they were to bring any sort of Inertia like BF id be playing even better, and abusing the inertia so hard

I love jump 180'ing people in bf cause it throws me behind them

[glass roost]

real

bring back bf4 movement where it actually took skill to crouch jump lule

[lament dove]

Better than what we have rn lmfao

[sly crest]

Ground inertia in BF2042 would be great in BBR, but not the air inertia

[coral storm]

2042s movement system is literal dogshit

imprecise laggy unresponsive cancer

tbf the bhop can be kinda fun but at the same time none of it takes any skill whatsoever either

[old crag]

battlebit movement feels better tbh

[icy bridge]

Honestly if they just replaced movement with quake-esque movement i wouldnt mind

[lament dove]

[lament dove]

B-b-but that has inertia....

[icy bridge]

Yep, i wouldnt mind changing movement in favor of a suitable alternative, but I wouldnt trust oki to come up with a good one right now, and I definitely don't think the brain trust that is the pro-inertia people in this thread would be able to come up with a single decent idea either.

Also it's just another huge thing that would take a bunch of attention to design, implement, then balance all for very little benefit

[worldly phoenix]

Hell yeah

I'll be doing this all day long when the free weekend hits, let's see how many people want to stay around after witnessing that jank

[lament dove]

Lot of people left because of that shit lmao

[worldly phoenix]

Agreed, this is clearly what the kids love

[icy bridge]

If you want me to respond to an argument you are making, please dont be stupid when you make it.

[sly crest]

Post all the quakes

[worldly phoenix]

You didn't attach the full specification of your proposed physics engine rework, how can I ever trust you're not pushing for the worst possible implementation I can conconct in my mind

[icy bridge]

What?

[worldly phoenix]

You know they're all gonna look the same 💀

[worldly phoenix]

I definitely don't think the brain trust that is the anti-inertia people in this thread can come up with a single decent idea, sorry.

[icy bridge]

Bro i asked you to stop being stupid.

[worldly phoenix]

You gotta keep asking, that's how inertia works

[sly crest]

Yeah, more to just highlight how dead quake is

[worldly phoenix]

Don't forget stuff like Splitgate that even being free right out of the gate still died off in months

People just love high-skill movement so much

[icy bridge]

Are you guys unironically saying quake is dead because of it's MOVEMENT?

[worldly phoenix]

inb4 people bringing up Apex Legends and conveniently ignoring it does use matchmaking to ameloriate the gaps in skill that their systems enable

[sly crest]

I wouldnt say that

[sly crest]

That is a big part of quakes identity

[icy bridge]

So?

[sly crest]

Players dont like that identity and dont play

[icy bridge]

So are guns. That doesnt mean guns killed quake...

[worldly phoenix]

If you were at all paying attention something like 8 years ago a bunch of games came out trying to go all Quake-like and you nobody even remembers their names now

[sly crest]

Every game has guns, but not quake movement

Quakes identity is that movement

[lament dove]

Tribes is something I wish I didn't miss out on

[worldly phoenix]

To be fair it is indeed a combination of movement and what those movements in combination with the gun selection enabled

TF2 does allow some crazier movement compared to other FPS games but you have higher TTK and a limited selection of weapons per class to avoid a single guy in a lobby shitting all over everyone while being untouchable

[icy bridge]

Quake is a 30+ year old franchise, in an even older genre that hasnt had any significant support from any major developers, and youre saying it's dead because of it's movement?

[worldly phoenix]

Chess didn't need developers to stay popular over centuries, gameplay just holds up. Literal checkmate atheist.

[icy bridge]

Therefore it was movement that killed every single arena fps

[sly crest]

Ig you do have a point, but i think its important to point out that multiplayer games with similar movement quite simply arent popular or really made

If the movement was good, then why doesnt it exist in other games?

To my knowledge there arent any popular multiplayer games like that

Some single player games do have that movement, but not multiplayer

[lament dove]

It's too niche now as that was a product of its time, same thing kinda goes for Halo (even tho it's made a resurgence last month) but not really quake like with its movement (nor UT).

[icy bridge]

To be clear I didnt mean it as a super serious suggestion. I just think the idea that movement killed quake is ridiculous. If you actually wanted to adopt movement from another game into bbr, Gold Source bhopping would be an actually good system

[clear hinge]

the clueless is real

[ebon ether]

as long as it has a high skill ceiling and is somewhat predictable, give it to me

[clear hinge]

just make the game ow

[sly crest]

[ebon ether]

drop shotting is a meme in this game lol

[grave brook]

Just shoot them in the head unless its a support then it works fine

[hazy estuary]

This.

The biggest issues that make me "HRMM."

1. Knock-on effects/unintended consequences of an inertia system, such as hurting the fluid parkour we have currently.
2. Reduction in skill ceiling/CQC complexity (I really like the wiggle battles in CQC)
3. TOO much reduction in defensive movement and thus a decrease in effective TTK (kill faster) and a simultaneous slowing of the game as a result
4. Opposed to #3, we still want it to be predictable enough that you can't just wiggle in the desert in front of 5 or so people and survive for 20 seconds.

To me, the problems are clear but the solution is not.

[hazy estuary]

The rules to chess did change a lot over time tho.

In American football, the rules frequently need modification to keep the game interesting to watch and sportsmanlike. A current issue is that teams more frequently take touchbacks (free 20 yards!!) when receiving a punt, because it's just less risky, it's smart, but everyone thinks it's kinda meh that the opening punt play, which used to be more explosive and interesting, is just avoided by the current meta entirely.

GO has had to give more points advantage to the black pieces over time because white kept pushing their 'we GO first' adv.

[ebon ether]

yes exactly, i feel like inertia is the first thing that comes to peoples minds to fix this, but inertia might not be the best solution
things like a slow down when doing multiple over 90° turns in the air would accomplish the same thing of reducing air spinning while not fucking up parkour, i do not want battlefield type movement this games movement system is solid - but the air spinning just can't stay in the form it is in rn

[humble girder]

This is a hard one, 1 is just something that would have to come from testing, looking at other example games in a similar genre, you can have fluid parkour with inertia but that's all down to Oki.

2 I think would be the opposite, the current skill ceiling to movement is limited as all movement tech is easy (or easy to macro), this makes the game very accessible but if you can master the movement in under a week of casual play then the skill ceiling is pretty low already. Adding some nuance to the movement would increase the skill ceiling, again if well implemented.

3 I agree with somewhat, though "defensive movement" is kind if a bad way of describing wiggling and balancing the TTK around it is weird .

4 I agree with, you shouldn't become semi-invulnerable at distance by spinning your mouse from side to side

[ebon ether]

couldn't have said it better

[hazy estuary]

#3, I think the current mobility is contributing to the ability of average gamers to approach under (reasonable) fire and set up a CQC situation. If it becomes too predictable people who enjoy the rushing style will be told to sit the fuck down by LMG bipods.

I play both styles and I think they're both viable rn, but clearly all the highest skilled gamers gravitate towards the rushing so you must be able to get more out of it if you're more skilled: its power curve is skewed towards the top end of players. Styles that 'take the initiative' like focusing on mobility are naturally this way in vidya.

My concern is mostly for the mid and low end of players, the majority, where I think LMG bipod camping is about on par with the results they get from rushing. I don't want that to change much.

[ebon ether]

most casual players don't play support or even use a bipod, it's the dakka enjoyers, those who really know where and how to set up and let the people rush them

[hazy estuary]

True, I silently moves the goalposts mean that I don't want things to shift too hard towards slower styles by using the example of the extreme slowest style and its current place.

[lament dove]

Tensa C (whatever the triple building point was) is a godly spot for bipods if you have a good fort

Kinda is weird when y'all are assuming what classes and playstyles casuals really play

[worldly phoenix]

My friend who never plays FPS literally within the first five minutes of picking the game up "yo are you following us or what" "no I just want to sit here with my machine gun murdering people"

[ebon ether]

🤷

idk most casuals i know instantly played medic or engineer

[raw violet]

It is indeed Tensa Mid

[short gorge]

inertia

[worldly phoenix]

Yeah, my other friend went for medic because not only does he not play FPS, he sucks at it, so he would just follow us and revive. After I told him about DMRs now he's fulltime engi though. :D

[ebon ether]

nope self heal, what else...

[lament dove]

Definitely more fun than a lot of the sniper hell maps. Urban maps hit different

[clear hinge]

Yeah they hit different at fucking my fps

[vast glacier]

?

[lament dove]

That's just unity being a shitty engine ngl

[low lake]

yeah lets just add inertia

[untold pike]

ples no inertia ty

[vast glacier]

So you want rivals disaster v2?

[untold pike]

what

[versed crow]

xd

[low lake]

more than half the playerbase want C4 P90 Spamming medics to be nerfed
simple fix would be grounding the actual inertia as it would make assault and support class not be outmatched by said loadout
7000+ msg suggestion happens
Oki decides to not do anything about it cause he doesn't want to read gamer sperg outs for hours
game dies around spring of 2024 due to the community imploding

the bad ending ☝️ 😔

[icy bridge]

Every single line of this message is stupid.

[celest perch]

how is inertia going to make support and assault more evenly matched with medic?

[low lake]

ermmm

how would it not? like have you been in game?

[celest perch]

🪤?

[low lake]

oh gosh we got a goober in chat

[icy bridge]

The only thing that people pick medic for is its movement, dont you know?

[low lake]

ermmmm

also the 20 bandages and heals bud

[vast glacier]

Are you sure

[unborn kiln]

forgot the gun amount

[vast glacier]

Also add explosives

[low lake]

yeah i mean come on, all Oki has to do is adjust the inertia and this'll all be fixed

he doesn't need to nerf all SMGs, DMRs, the medic class again etc.

[vast glacier]

If you want fix bbr

Remove explosives from medic
Add inertia

@low lake but there is one thing oki is lazy

[low lake]

Yeah did you see that one suggestion thread about adding a game designer to the team?

[vast glacier]

I saw

[low lake]

Not trying to be mean, toxic, or create some sort of back talk but like I don't feel like Oki knows what type of game he wants battlebit to be

like from playtests to release he clearly has and still is trying out systems and such but I believe even though its in EA now he really needs to figure out what he wants to do with the game

[peak quest]

[low lake]

I fully understand why he put it out in EA as I was actually kinda shocked after the 7 year trip he still wants to do stuff with the game but as we all witnessed the past few months the community seems to want to turn the game into their own game aswell

[old crag]

would not change much, people choose medic for healing, not movement

also what's wrong with half the playerbase playing medic
most of them are nice people anyway

[low lake]

so as just food for thought and suggestion I hope Oki actually really thinks about the game designer thing cause I think thats also the main issue at hand in terms of direction.

[old crag]

idk if hiring someone will help, oki just needs to make up his mind

[low lake]

yes or that (better yet)

[old crag]

im happy with the current state of the game
a lot of improvement can be made but i don't think the general direction should shift

[low lake]

well thats what the inertia thread has really been about and why I brought up the other thread

[untold pike]

for optimal balance they should just forcr players to roll a dice to make fights fair tbh

[low lake]

When I bring up the medic class I'm bringing up the nature of how certain people with a decent amount of time on their hands use that said class.

If you've played long enough you should've met that one guy that appears behind your group of 20

• teamsmates and threw a few C4s to blow you up

[old crag]

don't sit in a group of 20 people then
it doesn't matter what is available to what class, skilled players with good positioning will catch you off guard if you're not aware

[low lake]

or when a guy zooms past you and try to move your mouse fast enough to shoot that person but he snaps back with a SMG or DRM and kills you faster than the last few bullets could hit and kill him

[low lake]

good thing you brought up about that "don't sit in groups of 20 then"

I thought about this not so long ago but isn't this the game with 254 people in a server? Isn't this the game where classes like support or medic stay close to people to resupply or heal their teamates?

If you go against a team thats doing teamwork you shouldn't be able to break that teamwork up with a few C4s and a p90

you didn't or dont deserve it tbh.

[peak quest]

avoid getting flanked then

[old crag]

support and medic should not have to sit in piles of 20 to be effective. you heal, you resupply, then move on. an effective squad does not sit in one place

and even if you must sit still for some reason, hold corners behind you and be aware of flanks

[low lake]

Support cant be support and medic cant be medic? yeah okay bye..

[untold pike]

[old crag]

that's not what i said. i mean that you can heal and resupply without sitting still in a pile of people

[vast glacier]

Tbh yes because medic is used for c4 dummy

[low lake]

Hopefully the upcoming invasion mode mops up this type of thought

[old crag]

are you even reading my messages

[untold pike]

invasion gonna be frontline on crack

[low lake]

I don't know about the maps though

[old crag]

invasion is gonna be funny because it'll end in 2 min half the time

[low lake]

I really really wish oki would open up workshop and let us make maps

[old crag]

its probably not that simple for him to just flip a switch, it would probably take a lot of work to allow any map to be inserted into the game

[short gorge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1138433362319646761/1140714839816274041/ignored-1.gif

[sleek gull]

nvm discord buggin

am okay on nerfing p90 c4 medics or whatever
but that thing about inertia

[untold pike]

p90 is already a shell of it former self please leave it alone

[sleek gull]

p90 as smgs honestly

[celest perch]

I barely see anyone using the p90

[untold pike]

barely see anyone using smgs either

[raw violet]

Honey Badger is all you need c:

[grave brook]

I really wish I encountered more of these smg medic meta slaves and not 50 dmr users every game

[sleek gull]

so much this, i bet whoever is mad at movement if that fella camping an angle with one and struggles to kill someone able to move a mouse lmfao

[exotic torrent]

buff movement speed
dont add inertia
buff m110 rpm

[hoary perch]

dont add inertia

add bhopping and wall bounces

[frigid shale]

Me when inertia gets added

https://tenor.com/view/csgo-css-phoon-nigmode-gif-18712517

[unborn kiln]

so which kind of inertia?

[hoary perch]

okidoki special one

never seen before

[dry kelp]

the only inertia we are seeing right now is development inertia

[clear hinge]

😭

[low lake]

dude what game are you guys playing

I see these medic p90 (or any PDW/SMG gun for that matter) meta guys on every fucking server

[wise canyon]

p90 is dogshit ttk

only reason why we use it is because its 50rnds, and sometimes we need that to kill 5+ people

[crisp plover]

more like the lack of it

[muted ocean]

I don't know what the best solution would be, but I think part of the problem might be the netcode or server side prediction related to player model visuals or hitboxes not being able to keep up with the movement sometimes

[celest goblet]

It really isn’t. Good against armoured targets and pretty average against unarmored.

Beats mp5 in both cases

[acoustic quarry]

225ms no armour. That's definitely top 30% of weapons, snipers excluded

Definitely far from dogshit

Good bait tho

[wise canyon]

Both of you are beyond my comprehension, your lack of intelligence is just unfathomable and frankly way too frustrating to debate with. Kill the game and add inertia as well.

[frigid shale]

SteveRec tech 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥

This is the inertia they want added

[low lake]

P90 user

[frigid shale]

Yes and?

[low lake]

nothing of value was lost 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥

[frigid shale]

That’s a half an hour of playtime btw when I started the game
Your turn @low lake

Actually come to think of it that may have been just 1 -2 games lol

4.0 wl and more kills than you’ve gotten this week in .6 hrs lol

So yeah nothing of value was lost 🗣️🔥🗣️🔥🗣️🔥

[crisp plover]

nothing of value was lost

[misty sail]

Nothing of value was lost

[charred hatch]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/374248265262170133/1178750039187804160/Battlebitfun1.mp4?ex=65774785&is=6564d285&hm=8a88c9d9cadd2b35ab01dcb3e1bef104e4c095814490f0f487b3b9449b1fb9a7&

Gotta love inertia right

[celest perch]

looks like he's playing against bots

[icy bridge]

He was running in a straight line at the guy with the f2k for like a full second and still didnt die, the other people were looking at his teammates

[peak quest]

thats not inertia keeping him alive its the enemies being bots

LOL

[hard linden]

Yeah he's farming, that's not inertia

[charred hatch]

Yes that

[sly crest]

We need tap to jump and hold to climb setting

There was that one CatEat guy as well

[low lake]

I think adding collision will fix soooo much of this

[peak quest]

damn i bet narxa is all over the inertia and collision thread to complain about that death cuz man, inertia would fix all the issues

oh wait he isnt complaining at all???? thats rare on this discord

[sly crest]

But i did?

Minor details, i styled on Narxa hard , good enough for me lmao

I used movement to style on a non-bot player, killed that player and got shot in the back cuz its frontline

[hoary perch]

Maybe you should also show us scoreboard by the end of the match

[grave brook]

Bet he didnt went past 20 kills

[sly crest]

Wdym by this?
Are you saying that i'm bad?
How did a bad player style on narxa?

[hoary perch]

See how many kills you get while abusing that movement

[peak quest]

saying you styled on someone cuz you threw your mouse around is pretty hilarious

[hoary perch]

I'm not implying anything, just curious

[sly crest]

Yeah, that's my whole point

[peak quest]

but you are like the only one thats calling it styling, no one else ever used that term for it so i dont really get the joke

[grave brook]

[celest goblet]

Idk, people use “styling” infrequently but broadly

[lament dove]

I style on people by not using sprint because I'm lazy

[grave brook]

Oyxgen alt /\

[celest perch]

please keep embarassing these cateat players, i'm so sick of them!

[grave brook]

Styling on people on a headglitch not pressing W ever

[peak quest]

so true man so true

[ebon ether]

this thread is entertainment

[lament dove]

I wish I was an alt but alas

[grave brook]

I bet someone on cateat destroyed the dude to the point he became obsessed tô destroy movement

[rotund olive]

Proposing to reduce air strafing is mindblowing to me, and the fact that we have more vote for than against leaves me speechless.

[snow rose]

Changed the mechanics of the game since the release, you are losing the essence of the game that during the play test where people took to love the game, with all your changes and you complain about nerfing the mechanics that are there since the beginning (instead of adapting) since the release of the game ATM it remains 7k people (by dint of crying on mechanics, weapons, class )is still while before 40k average and PT 20k, gg it will remain 1k people in not long with your suggestions.

[hazy cedar]

That's why we love suggestions, miss nedgi too

[ebon ether]

never met him

[lament dove]

I can easily say as well with nothing changing, the game dies a slow death regardless if movement gets changed or not. Who's to say that people can't adapt because X mechanic has changed?

Lot of people left due to lack of updates and even worse is when everyone started to use movement making it into a sweatfest. People left CoD (among other reasons) for that as well. The problem is that everyone came here for a battlefield alternative and instead we get a big team battle that starting to play more like CoD.

[celest perch]

the CoD thing is a separate issue and is mostly because of skill based match making

[lament dove]

I forgot a word there xd

[snow rose]

here you want to remove mechanics that have been there since the creation of the game, that make the game, if you don't like it go to, if you don't like it go to CoD ,battlefield

[clear hinge]

Cod movement killed it
Looks at mwii
Ok

[lament dove]

Remove what mechanics? You'll still be able to move as you do but not to a greater extent.

I'm not sure I understand the last part of your sentence.

[zealous sinew]

those have to be bots lmao

how is he able to switch to his pistol after missing and neither of the 3 people in the 1st clip react to him shooting 19 times...

[lament dove]

That clip was funny as fuck

[zealous sinew]

those are the people who want inertia added and hes on low FOV as well which tells me he mains recon which tells me these are one off clips

[clear hinge]

😭

Who reset the reactions here

[lament dove]

I'll be real though the thread should've been locked a long time ago

[pale relic]

meant for zerging/group kills y'know?

[clear hinge]

Late ass mf

[clear hinge]

#1178443533204607056 message

[gentle root]

No

Tarkov has added inertia and now it's not pleasant to move around

[vast glacier]

Did you read my suggestion?

[autumn arch]

bro is nedgi

[sly crest]

Every FPS game you might play has inertia in it, tarkov just cranked it to max

[zealous sinew]

and you are still bad at every single one of them, intertia wont make you good / better at the game lmao

[tawny knot]

Ditch this twirly mid air movement stuff imo

[zealous sinew]

just shoot the person...

its not hard to counter at all if you just ya know shoot them... with your gun... when aiming

[ebon ether]

i like how you assume that that is the reason behind """inertia"""

[zealous sinew]

inertia is to slow down movement momentum because players like you cannot aim lol

[hazy cedar]

Just make healing make you slow down or be stationary, that would honestly be the only nerf to movement I find fitting imo

[low lake]

Not a bad idea

[zealous sinew]

that wont matter anymore due to bandage change coming

[sly crest]

You will not get anything that nerfs movement to any degree past movement players

[hazy cedar]

I just don't want inertia cus running like a crackhead behind enemy flanks is fucking fun

[azure sorrel]

Just freaking remove everything in the game we need realism like squad 🤬

I’m trying to play Battlebit and this one medic keeps kicking my ass

[hazy cedar]

because inertia is just shackles

[zealous sinew]

and i wonder how that turned out for OWI xD

[ebon ether]

oh no no no, i am a player who does that, i want an actually skill based movement system with depth that doesn't make me change direction unpredictably
(it's obvious you argue in bad faith, keep it up it's funny clown)

[untold pike]

Squad best game ever! Real!

[low lake]

but tbh the whole inertia thing has just lead people on the anti inertia side just using the "just get good" argument. Pretty much what happened in #1175587321916182599

[zealous sinew]

so true!!!

[azure sorrel]

REMOVE EVERYTHING FUN

[sly crest]

Define what "being bad at a game" is please, because im quite above average

[zealous sinew]

no u are not lmao u have 69hrs in game

and 540 hrs on steam, u sit in the shooting range lmao

[low lake]

dude I swear

[hazy cedar]

why make enemies collide? When I run into someone and we both panicking and shooting and I die I am like "hahaha oops what silly players we are" an not "I SHOUD'VE KILLED HIM!!11!!!"

[sly crest]

Hours arent really relevant when i have played FPS games since i was small lmao

[low lake]

all these guys talk like cod players

[zealous sinew]

and you still suck 😭

[granite plume]

How are ppl still talking here

[sly crest]

Define being bad at the game, how many kills to be considered "not bad"

[hazy cedar]

Can you make a better argument besides insulting please

[zealous sinew]

140+ per game avg

[low lake]

its just a meme thread at this point. nothing new being discussed anymore

[ebon ether]

for real

[sly crest]

[zealous sinew]

we past that point when this guy is killing the game inside out lmao

[sly crest]

Yup, this is the guy calling everyone bad that cant average 140 kills every match

[zealous sinew]

yes i am lmao, cause if u can't do that in BBR then you are indeed bad at the game

[hazy cedar]

inertia bad because flanking and running is fun, that's my argument :3

[ebon ether]

Mia are you a troll, a clown or serious (you're like a stand up comedy show)

[ebon ether]

it's only to nerf air spinning, nothing more

[sly crest]

Tbh what was i even expecting

[hazy cedar]

No, I don't want that! At least for 10 years at least I wanna dodge snipers!

[azure sorrel]

No fun or skill expression allowed in this game

[ebon ether]

you can still easily do that on the ground

[zealous sinew]

another No name shitter talking

[hazy cedar]

-_- that's slow and boring, I am not spending minutes crawling to the point

[sly crest]

@regal night your thoughts?

[ebon ether]

you got no name either lmao

[zealous sinew]

is nara meant to be like a skill celling when i dont play for 2 months and diff tf out of them??

[sly crest]

Mia you are talking about 1% of players with this

[zealous sinew]

yes the 1% of players who are good thats why they are good cause they arwe top 1% lmao

[ebon ether]

dodge on the ground - you can still move in air to a certain extend, just not multiple rapid spins

[granite plume]

1% are the best, not just "good"

[hazy cedar]

1% should not decide for 99%

[hazy cedar]

hmmm, nah I like the way it is now

[zealous sinew]

ty for calling me the best then bro appreciate it

[sly crest]

Why are you getting offended

[untold pike]

🍿

[azure sorrel]

How often are people getting killed by air spinning, I didn’t realise this was an epidemic?

[untold pike]

need a reality tv show off bbr inertia suggesting box

[zealous sinew]

im not its just u should be no where near balancing when u spend all ur time in the shooting range let alone lead in it

[ebon ether]

at range where it's already easy af, in cqc it's so easy

[granite plume]

Yeah, sure thing bud
Send proof then i'll believe you

[ebon ether]

rarely because i avoid it or don't let the people start it...

[hazy cedar]

Bait 🎣

[sly crest]

Pallo i know you were really good back when we played, what would you consider to be the amount of kills to be "not bad"

[zealous sinew]

yap yap yap from random players lmao, this is few months old tho when i actually played

[hazy cedar]

4 vehicle kills lol lmao

[granite plume]

Seen better

[sly crest]

Mia is an ex-Ethereal player, thats not really gonna work

[zealous sinew]

ik there are plauers with better

[zealous sinew]

pallo had similar stats to me lmao

[untold pike]

nah my stats got gutted by 32 lmao

[sly crest]

Does it matter? Your standard is literally the top 1%

[zealous sinew]

well yea, that stat SS was before comp and pugs

[untold pike]

[zealous sinew]

now its 4.2 and 4.1 i think so GG

[granite plume]

Regardless, best or not, mias standards are apsurd

[untold pike]

my first 150 levels after launch were mostly on 32

[grave brook]

Everyone should place a sandbad and shoot behind It and not press w or jump ever

[zealous sinew]

ok avg 100 kills a game with actual in game experience over amount of hours, all ox1gens hours are in shooting range making a TTK sheet that is not even accurate

[sly crest]

Wdym not accurate?

[hazy cedar]

it is 🎣

[sly crest]

Fuck

[zealous sinew]

you have admitted that it not 100% accurate urself lmfao

[hazy cedar]

They are just trolling at this point I am convinced

[granite plume]

Nah this bro is trolling ignore him

Yep 100%

[sly crest]

Back when i was developing and doing it by hand? Yeah back then there were some errors, now its all automated

[azure sorrel]

The argument stands though that a lot of the call for nerfs are just simply because they can’t compete, and that’s okay.

Nobody started absolutely cracked at FPS games.

If I got shit on it just makes me want to play better, people are so quick to call for nerfs.

People are in for a rude awakening when the absurd players start using Assault with the 25% faster ADS

[peak axle]

It's still going 😭

[granite plume]

Certain ones yes
Including inertia to an extend
But idc abt it at this point

[peak axle]

7.4k here and 15 second slowmode

[hazy cedar]

Love suggestions, always here to entertain

[peak axle]

How else would we get through our day?

[untold pike]

people just dont understand that like they find it fun to play slower some people just enjoy destroying folk

[vast glacier]

It was 1min but I ask mods

[hazy cedar]

I am not a great player but I think that movement is it's own skillset because you can ridicule anything into "Just pressing buttons" or "just moving your mouse"

[sly crest]

I do find abusing movement to be fun as hell, but still i dont really feel that the current state of movement can stay as it is, wouldnt be good for the game in the long run when game just turns into cod deathmatch every match regardless of gamemode

Even if it wasnt inertia, literally any nerf would be a positive thing regarding movement balance

[hazy cedar]

Just don't add dolphin dive, double jump or quicker dropshotting, that's ideal scenario for me

[untold pike]

Inertia wont fix the issue of objective play, if anything could just start make turtling the meta

Playing objectivve is always up to players unless you start enforcing rules for it

[sly crest]

Movement is meta and a brain dead one. Making it slightly less meta would force some play style adjustments so it wouldnt be just brainless rushing.

I wouldnt want to enforce some rules like its some mil sim, but making one meta slightly less weaker would be a step into the right direction considering current meta is just brainless rushing

[hazy cedar]

Disagree but I already voted ❌ long time ago anyways ¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯

[untold pike]

Brainless rushing isnt movement issue, on average like 4 people per lobby even use the movement mechanics provided to them, larger gamemodes are just too chaotic for it to be worth trying to play tactically

[hazy cedar]

The "strafing in the air" are outliers in my experience

[untold pike]

airstrafing matters fuck all if there are multiple people shooting at you, and if theres more than 4 people shooting at you and you live because you are spinning in circles its not the fault of not having inertia to be honest

[zealous sinew]

they are, soa dding a whole mechanic to get rid of a minority is so dumb

[untold pike]

bbr x aim labs when

[sleek gull]

Hello coping fellas of inertia posts how are you today

[tawny knot]

Pretty good, just had lunch

[glass roost]

Came home from gym wbu friend

[sleek gull]

In a park enjoying a good icecream

[glass roost]

What flavor

[wise canyon]

dude its so funny these subhumans just emoji at the end of everything when they're coping so hard. We're calling you guys bad because you want the game slowed down and you're not even coming up with any valad points to prove you're any good with these statements. Not even a level playing field its like arguing with my niece or nephew they just keep going "no im not" cause they actually have no reasoning. I dont think there is a single person advocating for this change who has ever had a high kill game before. 99% of these players who are even in clans/sweat dont even bother posting in here so it's just and echo chamber for them to think they have a voice @zealous sinew

[zealous sinew]

ik

anyway here is a cool 2042 clip

[wise canyon]

Ill be moving to that game shortly, the guns actually have attachments that do something whats ur steam?

[valid idol]

THE MAPS ARE ASS IN BF2042

[wise canyon]

thats fine the maps are ass in battlebit

[zealous sinew]

BFV has better gun play imo, but i normally pilot n shit but actually enjoying getting shat on by level 90000s in 2042 so i can actually get better instead of making a whole thread to change a core mechanic because i just suck

like idk what level that is but ik its high

[wise canyon]

Bf1 is my poison of choice, its got awful bloom and suppression fire but i cant get over the how cool some of the guns are, like the model 1900 slug is just a dmr shotgun

[buoyant wren]

BF1 will always be my favorite, especially for snipers

[wise canyon]

Blu are you = to blue on cod?

[buoyant wren]

Wdym?

[zealous sinew]

ok i found out the red level is 100+ prestige basically

[wise canyon]

www.youtube.com/@BlueWZ

[buoyant wren]

No, I'm not a CC

[buoyant wren]

Yes, it's basically prestige

[wise canyon]

yeah isnt that prestige 169, idk how prestiging works gun wise

[zealous sinew]

no thats level 269

[buoyant wren]

Over lv100 is S rank

For guns it's just kills

[wise canyon]

are they re-locked after?

[buoyant wren]

No, once you get them you keep it

It's not like what we have where it resets your rank and weapons, it's just a continuation numerically

[wise canyon]

good, i was worried cause i wanna unlock all the bf3 guns, try out the p90, heard it was ass tho

[celest perch]

this is why we need inertia

and collision!

[wise canyon]

This is also why we need inertia

[celest perch]

swagged on

[wise canyon]

I love this fucking clip LMFAO

[hard linden]

[wise canyon]

If Inertia gets added to the game I hope legs are removed as well, cause might as well not have any.

[grave brook]

Why didnt you use your infinite heal to heal back up medic is a tank

[untold pike]

is 2042 actually worth playing now

[zealous sinew]

yea it functions and is quick if u play breakthrough

[untold pike]

might have to reinstall and give it a go then

[languid pebble]

i like it

[pallid pilot]

it functions

Absolute state of gaming as a whole rn

[clear hinge]

😭

[regal night]

My thoughts are that it u get consistant ~100 kills per game then you are cosindered good imo

[sly crest]

Ok, what about. Not bad, meaning not "good", but not bad either?

[lament dove]

sounds gatekeepy

[pale relic]

literally this

[wise canyon]

rip this game

[misty sail]

You cannot aim lol

[clear hinge]

😭

[unreal falcon]

There are so many examples yet this vote is 50/50

Same movement with no inertia was present in bf3 an 4

Then they removed in later games.
Guess what? Nothing of value was lost

BfV is currently most popular bf game

Although i still prefer bf1 with its operation game mod, which is pinnacle of Battlefield

[celest perch]

Democracy

[unreal falcon]

"By the people, for the people .... But the people are ertarddedd"

That guy was absolute poopoo but his quote about democracy is pure gold, this is a very real problem with democracy

Even boomers are better then zoomers

[wise canyon]

I just love posting clips of me exploiting

[celest perch]

CatEat movement abusers

[unreal falcon]

I have good aim and have no problem

[unreal falcon]

But this feels not right

[wise canyon]

you're 100% not hitting this

[peak quest]

hit

[unreal falcon]

Actually just press fire button. Its going to eat whole mag but you can.

In the clip you were just aiming mostly, with short bursts

[unreal falcon]

But yes, this is absolute bs

Either speed nerf or inertia, and the answer is obvious

[cosmic gorge]

don't understand how people stand playing while waving their mouse frantically like that

[unreal falcon]

Zoomers

[unreal falcon]

You can't understand them, their brains are fried with tiktok

[cosmic gorge]

even mobility shooters have more coherent mouse movement lmao

[dull wharf]

gosh I'm a zoomer and i hate how bs movement can be in this game

[unreal falcon]

Exactly

[dull wharf]

most movement shooters have inertia XD

[unreal falcon]

Bless you 🙏 zoomers like you (with common sense) are our only hope for the future of humanity

[peak quest]

time to turn this game into your generic FPS that exists like 200000 times already
that's the right track boys why keep extraordinary movement if we can just remove it and turn it into the next straight up bf copy

[wise canyon]

im older than you

[peak quest]

man I'm such a zoomer with 25 just cuz I want movement possibilities to stay :((

got me there!!

[dull wharf]

its not extraordinary tho its the tbh most basic movement possible it requires really no thought and is easily abused

[cosmic gorge]

ok you got me xD

[wise canyon]

man i sure miss cassette tapes and the first cell phones placed in cars

zoomer player btw

[dull wharf]

a game like warframe has extraordinary movement
guess what baby it has inertia

[icy bridge]

warframe movement sucks

[peak quest]

compared to how basic majority of FPS games are with their movement having this much freedom midair is extraordinary imo, yes call it simple or whatnot

[icy bridge]

warframe movement is the exact type of movement i was glad bbr didnt have

[wise canyon]

www.twitch.tv/videos/1988184209 you add inertia all of us movement players are going to be doing this, so gl, this is way more cancer click anywhere in the first game to watch :)

[dull wharf]

eh tbh "extraordinary movment" is an objective thing so can't really argue about it lol

[cosmic gorge]

don't think BBit will have to introduce inertia at this point

but am mostly glad people don't run 360 circles like in clips above

[dull wharf]

tbh its only a big problem for people trying to shoot like +75m out or -5m close and is mostly a big problem with slower firing guns

a lot of people (not all) that are saying its ok are the people doing it or the people that are using smgs or are close to enemies but are using faster fire rate guns and are closer to people so its way easier to hit them
(of course there are exceptions)

[cosmic gorge]

I kinda agree, I feel like even if they added inertia they'll just find another janky move tech.
Rn those who move like that are a decent aim exercise xD

[dull wharf]

people also forget that there is bullet velocity so its not really an aim and shoot it really becomes more of a guessing game at 100m or so

[icy bridge]

The problem is that people demanding changes that will chip away at the playstyle most of the "sweats" love this game for. The changes people want fix relatively minor inconveniences when compared to what will happen to those effected the most by the changes.

Take inertia as an example. How often does a casual actually even encounter a movement player? How many times does the casual actually die because the movement player "just waved their mouse around"? How long does it take them to respawn and forget about it? Why is this such a huge problem that the play style just needs to be eradicated entirely?

Say inertia is added and it does fix the movement issue people have, then what? I find it hard to believe movement is the cause of more than ~5 deaths per game for a casual (and that's HUGE over estimate). So adding inertia saves casuals 5 deaths that they might think is unfair, and costs movement players a key aspect of the game that they love.

[peak quest]

omg I love you

[dull wharf]

because just as the "sweats" wont play the game if they remove stuff like this there are "casuals" who hate the game and stop playing because of stuff like this

and if people "forget about it" why is the vote so 50/50

if it wasn't such a big problem your side should be dominating the votes

[icy bridge]

I dont accept that. I need some source to show that people are actually leaving because of the miniscule number of deaths caused by movement or things like it.

[worldly phoenix]

How often does a casual actually even encounter a movement player? How many times does the casual actually die because the movement player "just waved their mouse around"? How long does it take them to respawn and forget about it? Why is this such a huge problem that the play style just needs to be eradicated entirely?
First three questions are for the devs to answer since they're the only ones with access to the necessary data. Last one is pretty evident though: is that it's by far the most effective playstyle and actively diminishes the effectiveness of alternative approaches, so the enjoyment of anyone else who does not love that aspect of the game is directly diminished.

[icy bridge]

The threshold for voting on a thread is much lower than for actually quitting the game.

[dull wharf]

and I play quite often and I'd say I run into at least 10ish fights a match where people do the stupid spinning stuff so quite often

[peak quest]

it won't dominate the votes cuz the "sweats" are a minority in this game so obviously you will have more possible people against it then for it cuz let's face it, the majority of the community isnt as good as them

[icy bridge]

How many times do you die because of it?

[worldly phoenix]

People didn't need to die to a flashbang every time for the white screen to be annoying bullshit.

[dull wharf]

its not about numbers its about fun

[peak quest]

what about the "sweats" fun? you lower their amount of fun by scrapping away at their playstyle

[dull wharf]

this movement isn't fun to face and it isn't (to me that is and about 158 others probably) fun to do

[icy bridge]

My whole point is that the amount of fun we get from movement dwarfs the amount of unfairness a casual feels when they see someone move weird.

[dull wharf]

"sweets" should have fun with a challenge inertia will add more of a challenge for them so its not as easy to do

[worldly phoenix]

Oh there's Mr. Telepath again knowing exactly what everyone thinks and feels

[icy bridge]

I think that if you die 5 times to a movement player then feel entitled to destroy the game for them, you are pathetic.

Get over it or adapt

[peak quest]

it's not about a challenge it's about having fun with the flow that the movement offers in this game and adding inertia will hurt the flow

I'm not just talking about spinning

[worldly phoenix]

Lul I actively abuse movement because it's so trivial to do

It's just stale as hell and I get a first row seat to the frustration of players on the receiving end

[dull wharf]

sharp 180° turns doesn't really scream flow its sharp and jagged
if anything inertia would actually add a proper flow to movement

[peak quest]

ofc do sharp 180 scream flow if you need to get around a corner or go to the next window after vaulting out from one above - vault out the first window and drop into the next one below in which you need a sharp turn to face it in order to vault into the next window as an example

if anything inertia will make it jagged and anything other than flow-like cuz you add restrictions to the current movement possibilities

[unreal falcon]

Its broken, its not how any fps should function, its common sense

[dull wharf]

and tbh I'm not calling anyone who jumps amd spins in the are a "sweat" i only used it for the argument you placed

wanna know why because its easy to abuse this lack luster movement system

I've done it plenty playing with medic using a ump getting about 80 kills 10 death

the whole running, jumping, and hopping with no thought at all spamming c4 as i run

[unreal falcon]

Its a basic mechanic like jumping (inertia)

[peak quest]

stop with the it's common
bsttlebit can be its own game no need to go the same exact route like EVERY other FPS, be different how about that if you want a generic movement fps go play something like bf idk why not let bbr keep it's "unique" movement

[unreal falcon]

Another zoomer lacking common sense xd

[peak quest]

I'm 25 who do you call a zoomer LOL

[unreal falcon]

It not unique

[dull wharf]

wanna know something funny the movment that i did in this game could have been done just the same with inertia maybe like 5 or 6 more deaths though....
actually probably more like 15 or so

[icy bridge]

@unreal falcon Please stop trolling and derailing the thread or i will be forced to block you.

[unreal falcon]

Its just broken, thats all.
Because inertia is a basic mechanic implemented everywhere

[peak quest]

I'm playing FPS since I'm 11 I'm sure I have some common sense about movement and FPS games in general but great argument to use that I'm a zoomer lacking common sense

[icy bridge]

no bro you are a zoomer
you were 11 last year

[unreal falcon]

Name a game without inertia

[peak quest]

exactly why can't bbr be without it, stand out from all the other games THATS MY WHOLE POINT

[unreal falcon]

There are millions of clips showing why

Thats what happens when game have no inertia

Bbr and bf3&4 stands out as a clear example why games need inertia

[peak quest]

ignore the fact that 99% of the clips are against horrible players that can't handle the movement, a good player know it's ways around it either it be C4 or you aim at center of mass or simply ignore it

[unreal falcon]

Movement look and behaves both broken

[peak quest]

let the guy spin, in order to accurately shoot at you he needs to stop if it isn't close range

[dull wharf]

dang how do you throw c4 +40m out
and why is the best advice ignore the person running in a open field that should be punished for it

[unreal falcon]

It should not take whole mag to kill a player abusing movement, because of lack of common feature

Its especially bad at longer ranges

[peak quest]

ah yes I obviously meant C4 to be used at 40m away, right right

it was purely an example like are you guys doing this on purpose to sound extra smart or what

[unreal falcon]

The fact that you cannot understand that inertia is basic core feature of every game is mind blowing

There is a reason its implemented everywhere

Its not just game design

Its a basic principle of game dev with any form of physics implemented

[dull wharf]

no its just the counters for it you gave don't really work well

-throw c4 (camt do that unless they are really close)
-aim center mass (about the same problem as c4 with how slow some of the guns shoot and bullets travel)
-ignore them (why reward someone making a stupid play)

[peak quest]

ah yes let's talk about realism and physics in a game that has BLOCKY characters

[unreal falcon]

Its not realisms xddd

Its a basic building block of game dev

[icy bridge]

It doesnt matter if it's easy. I dont know why but it seems like most of the argument stems from the idea that other people's gameplay can prevent you from having fun somehow, which just isnt true in a game like bbr unless you want to win games, which nobody does.

This idea came up with the little bird stuff around a month ago, people were complaining that they saw the scoreboard show someone going 80 and 0. My question is; so what? So what if someone is able to go 80 and 0, or 80 and 10? At 80 kills on a full server you get killed less than once on average by the person, so why does it even matter? All you have to do is press respawn and then do your own thing.

Is it because some casual players actually feel competitive, but they don't want to put the effort in to compete with the higher scoring players?

[unreal falcon]

Lets also remove reload, add auto health regen like in cod

[dull wharf]

bru its a pvp game your enjoyment is all about the other players wtf XD

[unreal falcon]

Dont mind him, he is incapable of reason

[peak quest]

???

[unreal falcon]

You are talking about realism here

[unreal falcon]

And that its not important in a blocky game like bbr

[peak quest]

ah yes now we stretching out the whole topic
that's pretty well done tbh

[unreal falcon]

Lol, its you who stated this #1170730270492721253 message

Just because its blocky doesn't mean it should be super arcady

Go play Roblox for that

[icy bridge]

Only if the behavior is common. Dying to movement is not common.

[dull wharf]

like with that last portion

the spinning jumping dumb shit takes no skill at all to pull of really
so why is it that this no brain needed strategy needs people to train to counter
(of cours i will point out a flaw in my own statement that if the person is like 10m or closer to you it does need strategy but outside of that its prey much brain dead wrist flicks)

that's not balanced

[peak quest]

"it's a basic principle of game dev with any fork of physics"
you are talking about a game where I can throw a C4 in a straight line and all of a sudden my C4 gets sucked against a wall, you are talking about a game where I can jump into a car while it's at full speed, you are talking about a game

this game isn't like your ORDINARY fps it is janky and it's movement is just part of it the way it is
(the fact you edited it out of your message makes me look extra stupid, well done)

[unreal falcon]

Exactly, there is a lot of work for fixing this game physics

C4 is broken as well, just like apc physics

[grave brook]

Giving this game realistic physics is kinda dumb

[peak quest]

the C4 issue has been in the game for months and no one botches an eye in fact C4 breaks more and more and no one cares but oh oh movement movement cuz some dudes faces someone spinning around 3-4 times in a game when there is 126 more enemies

[unreal falcon]

@crimson monolith its early access game for a reason

[grave brook]

I see like 3 people doing spin and most of the times they die because there way too many enemies to bullets miss them

[peak quest]

people only complain when it benefits them that's the issue in this discord, they want to nerf or change things the second they encounter it negatively but other stuff that needs fixing that has no direct impact on them is literally being ignored c4 being a GREAT example

[unreal falcon]

No inertia is a contributing fact that c4 is op

Same as no enemy collision

[peak quest]

C4 being bugged out of its mind has nothing to do with inertia LOL

[grave brook]

C4 doesnt work half the time

[peak quest]

C4 not killing half the time when literally on top of an enemy is not the problem of inertia

[unreal falcon]

@peak quest Oh man, you are a special one, aren't ya

[peak quest]

do you even use C4 to understand how bugged C4 is

[unreal falcon]

Ofc

[unreal falcon]

How do you use c4? Give me an example

[icy bridge]

That's whats so alluring about BBR. It doesnt matter how easy it is to play effectively (to a point). The game doesnt have to be as balanced as competitive games because if you dont like a playstyle, you can just play a different way. The way other players play effects you very little in this game.

[peak quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127382389325307976/1165365268395085915/sorry_what.mov?ex=6574ba7b&is=6562457b&hm=de379d6085d84cfedf987429a343bb7d76f6453afab337d266c5a5991ee1c202& you telling me having inertia in the game fixes this? there is enough clips of C4 literally NOT working and you cant tell me inertia fixes this

[grave brook]

C4 is op

[unreal falcon]

Lol, thats now how c4 supposed to be used

[cosmic gorge]

c4 pree strong ngl(when it works)

[icy bridge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127382389325307976/1178551117085409290/vlc-record-2023-11-26-15h18m39s-Battlebit_Remastered_2023.11.26_-_13.37.10.421.DVR.mp4-.mp4?ex=65768e42&is=65641942&hm=34b226f0d4225c9b27e345450327a04267dc3fe72e9b14358aed39adb568f1bd&

[unreal falcon]

You are really bad even at how to abuse it here. You suppose to aim at the ground

[grave brook]

C4 shouldnt be used to kill people

[unreal falcon]

Its a breach tool, to clear camper rooms

[hoary perch]

[peak quest]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1127382389325307976/1165440932590665740/vlc-record-2023-09-14-19h25m57s-Battlebit_Remastered_2023.09.13_-_19.48.34.18.DVR.mp4-.mp4?ex=657500f3&is=65628bf3&hm=6d9e15c131934a2ba0c122cdfb1d990bb10344fc179296f7e3ddc55d24fd6259& another clip but not from me, definitely intertia fixing it!

[unreal falcon]

This is not cod

[hoary perch]

why do i keep reading this shit

[grave brook]

[hoary perch]

literal brainrot

[peak quest]

not even a hitmarker on him like??

[unreal falcon]

Thats a ping issue, lol

Clear as day

[peak quest]

keep calling me bad when this is the next frame https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127382389325307976/1165365635522506852/image.png?ex=6574bad2&is=656245d2&hm=c70afe36ae0a7c6c3027fce19d8e06d38768efd45ff10f13d6244b302a86a1e9&

[hoary perch]

yeah its a ping issue, when few months back stuff like this didnt happen

[unreal falcon]

Not yours, the enemies

[peak quest]

HES INSIDE THE C4 BLAST AND NO HITMARKER

this is on EU server against EU people

[unreal falcon]

There are random players with 100+ ping

[peak quest]

so don't tell me I'm bad at using C4 when he's literally the blast but not get any hitmarker even

[unreal falcon]

On eu servers

[icy bridge]

I dont understand what youre trying to argue?

[peak quest]

how's putting it on the ground change the fact that hes inside the C4 blast but not receiving any damage

[icy bridge]

Are you saying c4 isnt broken or that its only broken because of ping?

[unreal falcon]

@peak quest crying about that he can't use c4 cod style

[unreal falcon]

Did you know it takes 2 charges to secure a kill?

[peak quest]

what are you waffling about, C4 has been used like this since the game came out only recently it started bugging out to the point it started dealing no damage
are you okay in the head at this point

[unreal falcon]

And its wrong, because its a battlefield game, not a cod game

[icy bridge]

bbr is bbr

[peak quest]

you can do the exact same thing in battlefield with C4 in 2042 LMAO so your argument makes no sense

[icy bridge]

bbr is not battlefield, bbr is not cod

[unreal falcon]

Its a common knowledge, read some steam guides watch some on youty

[vestal dawn]

i already regret entering this channel, mihan is definitely a roleplayer

[unreal falcon]

Bbr IS battlefield game but blocky, what are you talking about?

[unreal falcon]

Im trying to argue with kids, true 💀

[peak quest]

in battlefield 2042 you can use C4 very similar so what's your point?

[unreal falcon]

2042 is NOT a bf game, its a dumpster fire

[peak quest]

BattleField 2042 not a bf game, now I heard it all

[unreal falcon]

Yiu were one of those idiots who bought it ?

[peak quest]

what you calling me an idiot for LOL I got it for 10 bucks on discount

[unreal falcon]

Oh my god

[dull wharf]

c4 is a nuc or a water balloon

[unreal falcon]

Im done talking with you 😭😂

[peak quest]

Jesus Christ you are childish for pretending to be the oldest in this thread

[unreal falcon]

What a self own xd

[peak quest]

cuz I spent 10 bucks on a game????

[unreal falcon]

Yeah, you need use 2 charges to consistently kill people

[dull wharf]

tbh I'm gonna stop talking about inertia I understand why people like it and why people dont
i don't like the spinning stuff when its used on me but I'm just as willing to do it to someone else

as long as inertia is gonna be in the milsim mode then its whatever

[unreal falcon]

But yiu can throw them quick and they fly

[hard sigil]

it would be better if we did not compare battlebit to other titles and instead treated battlebit as its own game, because that is the only way battlebit will develop its own identity rather than being attributed to other games which have their own mechanics
if you want to turn one game into another you might as well play that other game instead

[peak quest]

but every game has inertia!!!!! we must add it now

[unreal falcon]

Bbr is based on classic battlefield series. It feels and plays like a battlefield game, but with blocky graphics

[hard sigil]

but the developers were inspired for the game from squad

[unreal falcon]

Did you know that squad originated from battlefield 2 mod?

[icy bridge]

You must understand how stupid this statement is right?

[hard sigil]

does it matter? my point is that you should not compare a game which wants to be its own thing to games that are already established identities
just because battlebit plays similarly to battlefield does not mean we should turn it into battlefield

[unreal falcon]

Bbr is not unique, its a combination of squad and bf4

Oki did not create something new. Just a good battlefield game

That EA, multimillionaire company, could not

[hard sigil]

that makes it unique - squad has things bf4 doesn't have, bf4 has things squad doesn't, bbr combines parts of both, therefore it is its own thing. leaning to extremes on either side means you want the game to be one or the other, in this case you are saying you want it to be a battlefield game

[unreal falcon]

Thats why he (oki) is the king

[icy bridge]

True, every single design decision should aim to bring bbr closer to battlefield, a game that already exists.

[unreal falcon]

80% of people that Played bbr came from battlefield backgrounds. And guess what? They are not active on discord because they are used to their game to remain what it is, because of EA neglect

Unfortunately, but its the case

[pallid pilot]

holy shit y'all are still goin in here?

[unreal falcon]

If it was otherwise then thing would have already be changed because of outcry

[hard sigil]

if people come from bf to play bbr explain why they do not stay - bbr suffers from a lack of content, direction and balance almost as bad as bf2042, a simple check of playercount will confirm this

[unreal falcon]

Just wasting my time, can't do anything better unfortunately xdd

[unreal falcon]

Compare numbers in discord with number played daily

Not to mention that bbr disappointed many, and way too much people left after just ONE MONTH

It droped to bf1 number of players just in 1 month

[old crag]

i would say it is a content issue combined with shit balance at first

[unreal falcon]

Mostly balance

[unreal falcon]

Read steam discussion, its where most people leave their feedback

Haven't seen a single complaint about content, its all about game balance there

[old crag]

yeah because a player who simply got bored of the game is not going to go leave a negative review, whereas the minority that hates the game balance will...

[unreal falcon]

Not everyone leaves a review, they just leave if they dont like it

[celest perch]

the people who are angry they got killed by x gun are going to be the people in steam discussion

[unreal falcon]

Most do that, compare number of reviews and numbers of game bought on any game

[unreal falcon]

Ah shiet, misread you, nvm what i said xd

[unreal falcon]

Not everyone. Believe me, ibe had discussions there

Finally my wait time is over and im free xdd

✌️ out

[icy bridge]

i bet they were very fruitful

[peak quest]

probably called everyone a kid or zoomer the second they had a different approach that didn't fit in with the rest

[lament dove]

favours in the opposite direction now

[tough night]

Lack of inertia and reaching terminal speed from the get go is not unique ffs. It's lazy

[celest perch]

So true. We need acceleration time

[clear hinge]

😭

muh ow strafes

[sly crest]

Just lower smg running speed and movement will be fine 👌

You'll keep no inertia movement while still nerfing the absurdity no inertia created

Like keep smgs still faster than AR, but slower than 1.1 movement speed, which is the same as whats found on majority of pistols.

[lament dove]

Sure switched up when the ❌ outperforms ✅

[coral storm]

obtain aim

[devout sky]

it's strange how all of the famous movement shooters have these very fine movement mechanics that take a good deal of time to master, while battlebit straight up doesn't have inertia, you can go from standing to prone and back up while making your model do the worm, and this just isn't a problem to anyone lol

[low lake]

I think Oki looked at this thread and focused on why people are talking about wanting Inertia and saw that most people were complaining about a certain loadout that made fighting against unfair and fun. I think the loadout changes and adding enemy collision is a good middleground.

[sly crest]

I have to look for compromises smh

Keep current movement, but reduce the speed for SMGs, so it isnt mach 5 insta turns

[clear hinge]

buff velocity ggez

[sly crest]

Just aim better dud

[untold pike]

real

[waxen coral]

you wont get one

[clear hinge]

im not the one complaining about inertia 😭

[devout sky]

reducing speed for SMGs doesn't change the speed of the turn actually

[waxen coral]

we dont want movement nerf of any kind to any degree

[untold pike]

RiddBTW reactive tracking video

[waxen coral]

you lost, give up

[devout sky]

if a player was spinning it might change the radius of their spin though

honestly just copy source movement so i can bhop in battlebit

[clear hinge]

shut

[sly crest]

Still instant turns, but the distance they travel after instant turn is less.

[untold pike]

[sly crest]

Current state of movement in general

[coral storm]

go get aim problem solved

[sly crest]

118-21 yesterday, only problem i have is knowing routes to find more players to kill

[waxen coral]

skill issue

[clear hinge]

[sly crest]

More like knowledge issue as i havent really spent time figuring out decent routes

[waxen coral]

yeah because you don't actually play the game, you stare at numbers on excel and pretend like you know how attachments and weapons actually work in game

[celest goblet]

When someone puts an attachment on their gun in game literally the only perception of it they have is the green and red numbers they saw putting it on

You could NOT identify which underbarrel grip you were using just by firing the gun :)

[sly crest]

And now you can use more than 2 attachments have a good day

[grave brook]

I still use the same thing from the saturday tests nothing really changed. It was a lazy job

[humble girder]

You're being really vicious in this and other threads, could you mind how you reply? You've already called out how some replies make you uncomfortable but you're doing the same to others.

[waxen coral]

ok mini mod

[humble girder]

Don't need to be a mod to ask you to stop being mean 🤷‍♂️

Whether you listen or nots up to you

[hazy cedar]

they have nothing in common, crazy movement in warframe is a blessing since it is MMO power fantasy not FPS lmao

[zealous sinew]

am i the one complaining about not being able to track someone?

[misty sail]

You are the one complaning about not being able to track

[queen vortex]

wow you are so good yet so hard to kill movement player?!?!?!?

[sly crest]

Just because i'm ""good"", doesnt mean that i have to be pro-current movement. I'm literally abusing the thing i complain about.

Tbh at this point i think that 1.1 movement speed SMGs need a nerf to their speed as that speed is way too much for a primary (Most Pistols are 1.1 movement speed and somehow SMGs are 1.1 as well)

And also, how is light armor 1.00 movement speed and no-armor is 1.00 as well

I get that it has "light" in its name, but still

[pallid pilot]

because no armor got nerfed

[sly crest]

I remember it was nerfed, but it doesnt really make sense that your run as fast with light armor as you would without armor

[queen vortex]

god forbid a game giving you fast movement

[sly crest]

There is fast and then theres too fast

Especially when there are no mechanics to balance movement, so if you dont want to add mechanics, then you need to adjust whats already there

[misty sail]

Fast is fine, its the unpredictablility of it. I can do just fine in titanfall 2 because it has inertia, its very possible to predict movment

[grave brook]

( your opinion)

[queen vortex]

Does apex not have unpredictability?

[sly crest]

Unpredictability isnt that bad when its balanced by reducing its positive effects, such as instantly turning and moving 10m in a second vs 5m in a second

[sly crest]

Does that somehow make it bad and invalid?

[queen vortex]

Yes if what was said above about you spending 9x your total in game time in the range working on an excel sheet is true, and regardless of that, it's still bad

[sly crest]

So you are saying that, because i haven't mained medic for 200h, my opinion is invalid?

[queen vortex]

Nerfing movement is a dumb idea

[sly crest]

Why?

[queen vortex]

Shoot 4 bullets and they're dead, is that so hard?

Well I guess for you it is.....

[sly crest]

So countering insanely fast movement is easy?

[queen vortex]

They can't shoot back..... just hit your shots...... hipfire..........

[sly crest]

So countering insanely fast movement is easy?

[queen vortex]

Not necessarily easy but not enough to warrant a nerf in any manner

[sly crest]

Wdym by "not neccessarily"?
Just hit your shots? <--- That's what you just said like 2 mins ago

[queen vortex]

It's not impossible nor are they invincible, so just hipfire and spray at them?

This isn't apex with a 3 second ttk

[sly crest]

Why do you use the word "not impossible"?

[queen vortex]

Cause it's more than feasible for me......

[sly crest]

How many kills do you average?

[zealous sinew]

No I'm not lol

[queen vortex]

Idk matters on the game and what's going on

Sometimes I get worked, sometimes I'm doing good

[worldly phoenix]

average
/ˈav(ə)rɪdʒ/
noun
1.
a number expressing the central or typical value in a set of data, in particular the mode, median, or (most commonly) the mean, which is calculated by dividing the sum of the values in the set by their number.

[sly crest]

Bruh, shush

[zealous sinew]

150

[queen vortex]

What they said!!!

[zealous sinew]

[queen vortex]

[sly crest]

Like estimate and estimate on how much that can fluctuate based on map

[queen vortex]

150 is my answer

[zealous sinew]

Do you actually AVG 150 tho cause I do

[sly crest]

You average something like 150 per game?

[queen vortex]

On frontline I can do p well yea

[zealous sinew]

I've never seen u

[queen vortex]

Soona my ign, also didn't play frontline only until a month ago or so

[sly crest]

So if you really average like 150 kills per match then that would mean you are somewhere around top 1% of players

[wise canyon]

i have to ask, do you EVER watch any good players on twitch? Robocat, Nightdrive, narxa, bitey, ect.

[valid idol]

robo nightdrive and narxa all suck

[wise canyon]

150 claim is really not that unbelievable, especially if you're nitpicking maps.

[sly crest]

No?

[wise canyon]

Well man, you should sit and watch some. Cause my guy, its all complaining about other bs than ur inertia problem.

[sly crest]

So lets say that you just que up into an official match, what do you think is the highest you amount of kills in the lobby? (minus you of course)

Depending on the lobby it can be from 60-100 kills top kills

[wise canyon]

on average, like 80 kills on top for CQC maps, normal respawn.

[sly crest]

Uh huh, and these players saying "just hit your shots" get 150 on average.

[queen vortex]

Wow so it's a skill issue!!!!

[wise canyon]

Yeah, im fucking dogshit and i drop 100 kills on sandy sunset conquest all the time. Obviously this is subjective cause i compare myself to @peak quest and robocat.

[peak quest]

yeah hit your shots

[sly crest]

And out of maybe like 254 people only a very small amount of people would get 80-100 kills in a single lobby

[wise canyon]

Yeah, cause they dont play the game to its full extent, 0 map knowledge. Never press respawn button.

I kill myslef multiple times after pushing points and swap squads because there's no kills to be had. On conquest

[valid idol]

skill issue mostly

[hard sigil]

the only difference between us and the 80 fraggers is positioning, they get kills in the meat grinder and we get flanks

[sly crest]

All the maps are flanks wdym

[hard sigil]

it takes no effort to hipfire at someone who is airstrafing, they will come back to where they started so you aim at the center of their strafe pattern

[hard sigil]

yeah and people will still grind at the frontline instead of running routes like us, so what are you saying 😂

[sly crest]

This heavily assumes that 1. You are in hipfire range. 2. They strafe in a small zone/area (in place)

[valid idol]

imagine flanking instead of w m1 into enemies

[sly crest]

Flanking is just W M1 with extra steps

[worldly phoenix]

why do you think they all play a gamemode that only lets you play in a tiny area

[valid idol]

cause conquest barely has any action

[worldly phoenix]

maybe Oki can add a little video player with subway surfers so your mind doesn't drift off when there's no shooting for more than 5 seconds

[valid idol]

pls oki give us zoomer mode

[worldly phoenix]

Unironically, it is evident that the playerbases for frontline/dom and conq are seeking for a very different kind of experience

Just balancing them as the separate experiences they're supposed to be would avoid so much grief

[sly crest]

Just pick SMG medic while you can.

[valid idol]

FAL medic is comfy

[hard sigil]

wait until fal exo

[valid idol]

guh

[grave brook]

Very much yes, they are. You consistently try to make the game more realistic and slow and honestly, thats not what most people are looking for at least front/dom players they actually prefer the fast paced game even If its not actual physics

[coral storm]

If they're strafing so fast that it's impossible to track they most likely have no control over where they're going either. If they strafe and actually do control where they're going you can learn to track them (skill issue)

[lament dove]

@sly crest why all these weapon changes but you still havent balanced the rpgs yet

[coral storm]

And if they are both untrackable and precise with their movement well they're just cracked and you should rightfully take the L

[sly crest]

3 pings in 3 seconds 😭

[lament dove]

answer then

[grave brook]

Dont even let me start How bad the movement Speed are on your reworked attachments. Its terrible

[sly crest]

Wdym realistic and slow?

[sly crest]

You W+Mouse and you are going exactly where you want, not that hard to control where you are going.

[sly crest]

I don't do weapons, i just did attachments cuz i was asked to

[coral storm]

Depends on the amount of mouse 🐭🐁 awww cute emojis that it suggested me

[sly crest]

🍴

[coral storm]

I can guarantee you almost all of the people who look like a cs spinbot in the air have 0 control of where they're going

They just hope your mag gets empty

[sly crest]

That is not what i'm referring to exactly

[hazy cedar]

yup

[coral storm]

Ok but then you could just you know... track them?

[worldly phoenix]

It's not that hard to practice 360° spins so you can look cool while running between points

[vast glacier]

Hello, anything new? @sly crest

[sly crest]

Instant 180 at 10m/s speeds aren't really that trackable for your average player that doesn't do 150 kills per match

[sly crest]

This is with:
1.1 SMG
1.1 Pistol
Normal Chest armor
Normal Helmet
Normal Backpack

Lemme get with Light chest armor instead

[hazy cedar]

average player however won't make moves like that either, essentially inertia is lowering skill ceiling which is bad for small amount of people, I, however am a part of those crackheads, you make good argumeents and I like you but > : ( inertia bad

[sly crest]

I don't really think that inertia is "that" needed, maybe just lowering SMG movement speed from 1.1 to something lower

Cuz the biggest problem is that super fast movement speed on the SMGs and pistols are 1.1 movement speed as well (somehow)

[hazy cedar]

I would probably settle with just smg speed nerf ngl

[hazy cedar]

if I had to choose ofc

[misty sail]

It does have predictability. But apex isn't the only thing that defines preditability. I cant predict how people are going to wiggle around their mouse.

[misty sail]

Yes you are lol

[zealous sinew]

how? im against the game adding inertia lol

[misty sail]

Because you are for adding inertia to the game lol

[zealous sinew]

oh ur a troll lol

[grave brook]

Yes lets nerf smgs on top of médic Guns removal and bandage buffs tô other classes

Do you even read what you type

[misty sail]

Pretty in par with sayint "just aim better" right? Its like arguing with a wall.

[zealous sinew]

well you realise you can get better at aiming... if you you know play the game

[grave brook]

Anyway, glad this suggestion is being X now oxygen and Diego ll look for other ways to nerf movement

[misty sail]

But that doesn't fix the problem.
Being better at aiming helps with lots of games, but doesn't fix broken movment mechanics.

[vast glacier]

Even it is disliked. Oki will consider that

[drowsy prism]

This stuff never gonna get changed, too much meta players use it, if you do a post to remove it you can be sure they're gonna spam the X

that's pretty sad tbh

[drowsy prism]

Let's cope hard, I hope you're right

[unborn kiln]

]being honest I feel this is a case of misunderstandings to some degree (generic use of Inertia & humankind tends to go towards extremes in the imaganation)

[drowsy prism]

Tbh I'm just talking about the jump spin without any slow down, was DMRing a bit last game, proceed to have 10 guys at 150m jumping like rabbits on opium, it's just look completly dumb and unrealistic and put some RNG in the shooting

[worldly phoenix]

Yeah, people using anything other than light armor and SMG move fine

Even when they're trying to dance around, it doesn't reach the point of looking janky/broken

[celest goblet]

Really? It doesn’t make that much of a difference

Like if they were wearing exo armour with an lmg then yeah that would be way less effective

But the speed difference between an SMG and an AR, and that between light and normal armour is pretty small

[old crag]

the difference between normal/ranger and heavy is pretty noticeable though

[worn nebula]

https://tenor.com/view/but-heres-the-jumper-jumping-cat-cat-jumping-cat-jumping-gif-26303004

[austere sierra]

damn the votes did a 180 fast

[worn nebula]

W

[pale relic]

comeback

just like the sonic vs genshin impact fans

[lament dove]

clearly convenient timing