Inertia

[celest goblet]

Most of the time it just makes my death more drawn out :)

Though as I’ve started using suicide c4 recently it’s pretty good for that…

[ebon ether]

enough to yeet myself into cover or take one more enemy with me

[turbid geyser]

why do you reuse the same clips over and over again? Is it, almost never run into players that're able to move as such? It's called skill expression bro

[ebon ether]

hehe lol

[hard linden]

Same concept with strafing on any source engine game, move your mouse to mirror your player's movement.

[left dagger]

is it like the best player and the worst players in the game are on the server?

[grave brook]

This fast movement is what make the game identity if it ever gets turned to a slower game most who enjoy the movement are going to play something else

[sly crest]

Because they come in handy to showcase the problem with instant turns and 100% moemntum kept regardless of what you do with your movement

[turbid geyser]

ah yes, this one instance where some random milsimmer cannot hit a guy that is mechanically skilled is the only evidence you provide, it's simply skill expression, this isn't exactly achieved by everybody and their 20hrs of gametime

[celest goblet]

Your mouse directly determines your movement vector so I don’t really understand what you mean.

[celest goblet]

Indeed, I’ve not actually seen players in game quite so movement-ey as that first clip ever

[turbid geyser]

It's relatively uncommon to come across someone who is able to skilfully use the movement, and 90% of the time, it isn't enough anyway, they almost always die, just in specific cases, very rare cases they get away with it

[sly crest]

How is not being able to do instant turns with 0 movement loss going to slow down the game?

[jaunty ibex]

I mean the "inertia" is being made for like 100 people

[waxen coral]

im not willing to let oki fuck up the movement

[ebon ether]

"milsimmer"
meanwhile guy plays p90 and pretty agressively

[sly crest]

We are talking about abusing movement for dodging and instant turns to throw off aim at no cost

[waxen coral]

oki updates are the monkeys paw

[turbid geyser]

very rare cases

The exact reason why you only use the same clip again and again

[ebon ether]

testing, no less?

[waxen coral]

bold of you to assume oki tests things

[sly crest]

Like no-one posts their clips

[celest goblet]

Guess what, not standing completely still has no cost either but it gives you an advantage.

[turbid geyser]

get your own? if it's a problem, they should be easy to get right?

[sly crest]

You are standing still, you are an immobile target, very easy to hit

[celest goblet]

‘cause they don’t get many examples of this

[celest goblet]

I specifically said not doing that

[sly crest]

Cuz they'd rather post 20 kills on waki bridge

[celest goblet]

-_-

[left dagger]

20 kills on waki bridge weak

[sly crest]

Misread your message sorry

[ebon ether]

he's a dev, you see it on the devstreams, why shouldn't he test such a controversial change

[jaunty ibex]

I genuinely dont think people are affected that much by it

[turbid geyser]

it's simply called skill expression, mechanically skilled players can use their movement, in niche moments where it benefits them, if I were to clip the amount of times the movement players have died while doing their movement, to them getting away with it, it'd be a strong 20/1 ratio

[jaunty ibex]

I mean the people that are with inertia still have less game time than me and i havent played significantly since august

[turbid geyser]

You can watch the streams of these people that have these movement abilities and they don't get away with it 90% of the time, they get a kill or 2, then die, only rarely they survive, it's not a problem, you just can't aim

[celest goblet]

If they do it at long range they might escape, but up close I’m just gonna hipfire them and they won’t survive a mag dump

[ebon ether]

🧢

[sly crest]

Yeah, you are moving, but not doing instant turns at 0 movement loss which throws off aim.

[jaunty ibex]

not cap

[proven fossil]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/17bnja9/nice_moves_mate_sound_on/ look how effective it is

[celest goblet]

My point was that ALL movement throws off aim, with only situational cost. I am wondering if you think there is some threshold where this becomes not ok. And why you choose that threshold

[ebon ether]

i got 400+ h buddy...

[sly crest]

By not being able to have 100% speed when doing instant turns?

[sly crest]

Instant turns at max speed THROW OFF AIM

[jaunty ibex]

on steam or played?

[turbid geyser]

Exactly the case, Icarus, great player, greater movement, but means nothing to someone who can aim their shots

[celest goblet]

Everything does, and this is specifically dodging the question.

Even regular side strafing can throw off aim as muzzle flash + reticule + distance obscures sight

[ebon ether]

played.

[jaunty ibex]

u have 400 hours played and ur complaining about this wild

[sly crest]

Instant change in direction throw off aim more than just running in a straight line

[hoary perch]

can i get an explanation why actual good players dont cry about the movement?

[magic dust]

they abuse it

[sly crest]

Why would they? They benefit most

[celest goblet]

Evidently. But why is that a problem.

Should the limit be at running in a straight line? And if so, why?

[left dagger]

yes there is no other games that has movement that makes hitting shots hard https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UObSRw3cssQ

[jaunty ibex]

Because its not that hard to track + its not as big of a problem that this thread makes it out to be

[sly crest]

This is the kind of inertia i'm looking for

[magic dust]

Next update:
Everyone broke their legs and are forced to wheelchairs.

• -90% movement speed for every class
• turning is now slower

[ebon ether]

just to make this clear, i don't want bf inertia, just something that to keep me from running through bullets and think about my engagements

[waxen coral]

??? i never said he shouldn't test it, but he doesn't really test things, he tries them out on his dev server yes, but hardly gives any opportunity for feedback from the community and just pushes it to production

[hoary perch]

maybe you guys should get good aswell and stop crying

[sly crest]

Spending time mastering movement vs running and shaking mouse.

[hard linden]

I don't, but I also don't use easy setups in any FPS game because meta chasing is mad boring

[left dagger]

you are so unaware its funny

[turbid geyser]

then change games, that's milsimmer mental

[jaunty ibex]

Maybe u should actually play the game

[waxen coral]

he needs a public dev server where everyone can test out the new shit before it goes to official

[left dagger]

talking with no game time saying shaking mouse while never even having tried the strats

[sly crest]

Which is what we (Pro-inertia people) want as well

[wooden pagoda]

I mean bloke has played like 60 hours

[grave brook]

Pro inertia people are straight up baiting to people tell skill issue on god

[turbid geyser]

BBR is not a milsim game, it's a stupid wacky roblox looking arcade shooter, not some serious squad type shit

[left dagger]

i have twice that the last two weeks

[celest goblet]

Not a satisfactory answer, but I can’t say your opinion is wrong. Personally I would be fine with that level of inertia as I’d do fine with it, I am mostly querying your reasoning though.

[hard linden]

That's the worst example I'm ngl lol, those strafes are awful

[ebon ether]

dude are you?
"no bf inertia"
do you know how to comprehend text, do you know what milsims are

[jaunty ibex]

Maybe u should sort out the attachments that u cucked up

[sly crest]

Every game has basic inertia, squad has it cranked to the max, we don't want max, we want basic

[magic dust]

• arcade game that requires some skill to play
• haha w + shift + spacebar + shaking mouse :-DDDDD

pick one

[neat panther]

fr

[wooden pagoda]

don't we already have both?

[turbid geyser]

It's milsimmer mental to not embrace the beauty that is the arcade aspect of BBR

[left dagger]

shift? sprint should be on w

[neat panther]

im all for movement tech but running around like a headless chiken is not a movement tech that benefits the gameplay in any way for anyone except the one doing it

[celest goblet]

Making the game harder for better players does not make it take more skill to play. It makes it take less skill to match those players.

[ebon ether]

i embrace it lmao, i just like some sort of challenge and skill in my movement

[turbid geyser]

is it headless when it benefits in rare instances

[ebon ether]

"rare"

[turbid geyser]

do you enjoy some sort of challenge for your aim? or do you like your targets moving at a snails pace

[neat panther]

it is, headless chiken movement, im talking literally hahahah

[sly crest]

Because current movement is not balanced by any means, it doesn't require skill to abuse and i had an entire copy paste somewhere here explaining the Casual movement abuser vs non-casual dynamic regarding countering current movement, i think you can find it somewhere here if you search for word "Non-Casual". I really gotta go to sleep now, Gn people.

[turbid geyser]

not rare in your case cause you probably cannot hit movement players for anything

[neat panther]

there is a compromise there, having players run at match5 doest help with the packet loss and benefits speed over aim

[jaunty ibex]

That is literally balanced

[grave brook]

That is literally balanced

[wooden pagoda]

It requires skill to utilize correctly, if you just shake your mouse mindlessly you will die.

[turbid geyser]

word it better

[waxen coral]

yes i should be able to toggle this

[left dagger]

you can

[waxen coral]

I CAN?

[celest goblet]

The conclusion of that copy paste is literally that there is a bigger skill gap due to this movement

That is just what it means

It does not explain why that is a problem.

[left dagger]

bind sprint to w

[ebon ether]

"oh you can't controll horizontal recoil?"

[waxen coral]

OH YEAH I CAN SET KEYBINDS TO ANYTHING

[sleek gull]

daily "is this still going"

[neat panther]

A compromise is evident in this situation, as directing players to traverse the match5 exacerbates issues related to packet loss, while concurrently prioritizing velocity at the expense of precision.

||(chatgpt wrote it ignore it)||

[turbid geyser]

?

[frank wren]

I’d love to see the non skilled player shuffle and snap on the enemy giving them some nice peakers.

[ebon ether]

i thought you got a superior brain than i do with my milsim infested thoughts 🤷

[left dagger]

blud do be waffling

[jaunty ibex]

The thing is when ur doing the "CRACKHEAD INSANE NO SKILL MOVEMENT" it makes it harder to shoot the person shooting at you yk

[turbid geyser]

you just stated a quote out of nowhere, which clearly shows your rotting brain

[magic dust]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-denmark-lego-rock-boulder-pish-boulder-push-gif-17891619677485576907

[neat panther]

rotting brain?, like the equipment in risk of rain returns????

[wooden pagoda]

I love seeing people just shaking their mouse for no reason thinking it's effective when it just makes them a free target that isn't shooting back at me.

[ebon ether]

you just don't connect obvious points lmao

[left dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/pulp-fiction-missed-gunshot-gif-18359004

[turbid geyser]

can you not control your horizontal recoil or something?

[hard linden]

So does not doing that and just playing cover/peeks right during fights.

[grave brook]

He is not skilled he just shakes his mouse is the worst take ever

[turbid geyser]

Real question is, do you have an issue with hitting these movement players? Do you find it difficult to hit them, do they kill you a lot?

[neat panther]

coming from rust, this actually has saved me multiple times, the strat is exactly that, be random, dont have a real pattern that can be recognized

[ebon ether]

[sly crest]

Not a realistic drawback considering the benefits are massive in almost every situation you could be in (Reviving, reloading, healing, running away etc.)

[celest goblet]

Bro was awoken

[jaunty ibex]

once again how do u know u dont play the game

[low lake]

medic smg light gear meta my dude

[wooden pagoda]

Oh my bad, when I shake my mouse I usually have a pattern! Clueless

[turbid geyser]

This doesn't answer my question

[low lake]

i kinda did if you ever saw it in game

[grave brook]

Assaault dmr is just as meta

[celest goblet]

The person shooting at you will be much faster than you by going in a straight line if you’re whipping your mouse around trying to escape their shots

[magic dust]

1. Nerf medic - overkitted class - healing, C4, SMGs, movement speed
2. Remove air strafe bullshittery
3. Add shotguns
4. Maid skin
5. Sex update
6. Don't even argue
   6a. Cuz there is nothing to argue about
   6b. stfu, democracy isn't working comrade)))

[turbid geyser]

answer the question, not state the gear movement players use

[sly crest]

Yeah it really requires hundreds of hours to see that movement isnt balanced in any realistic way

[neat panther]

u actually do... if you'd stop playing phantom forces and trying to make BBR to a cheap off-roblox copy of that game, you would know that

[celest goblet]

Definitely wouldn’t say DMRs can count as meta

[jaunty ibex]

I mean if u had hours u would see its not the issue u make it out to be

[turbid geyser]

@ebon ether you have an issue with hitting these movement players? Do you find it difficult to hit them, do they kill you a lot?

[low lake]

I think just tuning down the air strafe it'd be enough

[jaunty ibex]

NO NAME HAHAAHHA

[ebon ether]

nope, i either avoid them, kill them or let them be killed
nothing to worried about apart from it being whack how they dodge my as val burst
most of my pushes are powered by air spinning lol

[wooden pagoda]

I don't have words, just wild

[magic dust]

700 hours there

Movement speed in BBR is bullshit, totally unbalanced

[low lake]

(but yeah add shotguns)

[turbid geyser]

oh wow, so you're telling me, these movement players that're abusing movement for their great advantage, aren't an issue for you? you kill them the majority of the time, or you see them die?

[left dagger]

how many hr's in the stats page

[sly crest]

It has been a thing since playtests, which i participated at every chance i could. I know how abuseable movement is lmao

[jaunty ibex]

kd check

[celest goblet]

I don’t think I’ve ever seen an enemy evade a CQC mag dump from me before just with movement

To win they have to kill me first

[acoustic plover]

🤯

[neat panther]

that's what we are aking xd

[frank wren]

And here we all are arguing about the mixed casual and hardcore modes, maybe devs have left the game in this state so people argue more between themselves than to developers. 🤔

[sly crest]

4kd and 1.9KPM Medic meta slave

[acoustic plover]

💀

[wooden pagoda]

1.9 kpm is iwld for a guy balancing the game

[left dagger]

devs argue they would have to talk in the first place

[acoustic plover]

brother is afk

[hoary perch]

[tame oriole]

1.9 💀 💀 💀

[sly crest]

Yeah in comparison to ethereal

[jaunty ibex]

so ur a bot

[left dagger]

i read that wrong but my point still stands

[low lake]

sgtokidoki save us from this thread!!! answer us!!!!!!!!!

[celest goblet]

Anything that can be quantified purely numerically doesn’t require significant experience to understand

[magic dust]

1. Add comp servers
2. When you launch the game you get an option to pick either casual or comp
3. Inertia is on casual servers, lack of it on ~~ sweat ~~ comp servers
4. You can only join the servers depending on the option you choose
5. No way to change it
6. Nerf Medic
7. Add shotguns

[ebon ether]

both, but i see how they're an issue to people and game flow, that's why i'm offering a compromise
(or they go down with 4 people shooting them)

[sly crest]

Yeah reaper that one

[neat panther]

oki should close the game the weekends so players could go outside (?

[jaunty ibex]

🇧🇷

[acoustic plover]

trash take, 2km buddy

[unborn kiln]

be me, in exo heavy support with a LMG & such

[tame oriole]

schlamm hasnt answered #1170730270492721253 message

[unborn kiln]

air spins infront of 3 guys all targeting me

[ebon ether]

100rnds

[unborn kiln]

around 20m distance at most and they all miss

[waxen coral]

i ripped major ass

[magic dust]

where is jdam when needed smh

[ebon ether]

5head

[low lake]

I've done that and you do have a higher chance at killing them, but if they are close enough with their SMG they'll just go for the head

[wooden pagoda]

Nah, it's mostly because, as I've heard, you are one of the important people in the balancing team. Yet, you have 60 hours and a mediocre kpm, meaning you don't know a lot about the ceiling of this game. Should get the cateat man to do this shit instead

[frank wren]

Damn you shit on me

[buoyant wren]

hey I know that guy

[magic dust]

doxx, ban, ip grabber

[tame oriole]

yupppp

[unborn kiln]

Joelus read the rest, I air spun at 20m or less to a group of 3 enemies targeting me while wearing exo & heavy + a LMG

[tame oriole]

1.9kpm should not have huge influence on balancing lol

[ebon ether]

shit's going shit post-y again, time to leave

[celest perch]

cateat? yeah i'm out

[turbid geyser]

game flow? the game flow imo is already slow enough, majority of people just sit in a funnel and shoot down it without moving. I would argue the only people that have an issue killing these players are people with 50hrs, that are arma Ai milsimmers. These are people that put in hundreds if not thousands of hours into BBR, if they gained a skill of being able to juke and have movement, fair play to them, they earned it

[frank wren]

Should get the developers to do it instead

[acoustic plover]

skill issue sadly

[wooden pagoda]

Real, ban those cateat guys

[proven fossil]

too busy killing frontline

[low lake]

ohhhh

[turbid geyser]

I don't think some 50 hour andy who hardly plays the game should dictate the fact of if someone should be able to perform movement or not

[low lake]

so much people with yellow in their name I got mixed up with people

[tame oriole]

this is literally oxygen lol

[unborn kiln]

(had a range finder for reference and it was saying at most like 22 esh to be more precise)

[magic dust]

• logical thinking
• "haha :-DD SO LITTLE HOURS IN GAME XDDDDDDDDDDD SO NOOB XDDD"

pick one
inb4: most ppl are 2nd option

[acoustic plover]

welcome, because that's exactly what is happening over here

[vast glacier]

@charred hatch

[waxen coral]

ox1gen also dictates the stats of attachments and weapons

[frank wren]

No matter if 10k people voted and agreed on 1 type of movement, it would probably not be the best for the game. Only people that can truly know what’s best is the devs.

[unborn kiln]

do we know the guy's hours ingame yet even?

[magic dust]

Bro just muted half of the chat 💀

[buoyant wren]

Again, a loose loose situation

[celest goblet]

If he had control over movement then I doubt it would be like this

[jaunty ibex]

Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity. - MLK

[tame oriole]

60

[vast glacier]

I told np skill issue bullshit

[left dagger]

to bad the devs crumble to pressure

[wooden pagoda]

52 hours on medic is most played

[unborn kiln]

include or excluding any of the beta/play test experiences

[vast glacier]

I'am tired of it

[turbid geyser]

Devs don't know shit for the game 80% of the time, the majority of every Dev choice is poor and reverted due to community hate or they accept it and keep it

[tame oriole]

dev knows best? agree to disagree

[low lake]

dude who is this guy "rigel"

[jaunty ibex]

u sound like u got a rusty pipe down ur throat

[celest goblet]

The only thing I can think of that was reverted was the voting system, but even then that revert had a generally negative perception

[low lake]

hes fucking up my feed

[neat panther]

people who play the game for hours on end also arent good for the game

i tought we already established that pros dont know what the fuck they want with CSGO and Valorant xd

[buoyant wren]

Nothing is gonna happen from this thread, Oki isn't gonna add something so controversial just bc he has 130 people asking for it. It's literally asking for people to leave

[turbid geyser]

Almost any Dev is gonna listen to the communities choice, if they don't the game just gets hate, if the majority of players hate something, the Devs will remove it, no matter what work they put it

[magic dust]

But these people are just...

Ox1 has logical thinking, others are just calling him out for "not having enough hours in game", the fact that most ppl can't see that movement is SHIT in BBR, UNBALANCED is just ridiculous... "OmG hOw DaRe YoU aDd InErTiA oMg!!!!111 I wOn'T bE aBlE tO aIr StRaFe :((((((("

[frank wren]

I’m not disagreeing with you.

[low lake]

hes destroying my flow for the 6000 msg thread! get him outta here!

[turbid geyser]

"Devs know best" is stupid cause no matter what they think, if the Dev sees the community being outraged, they will back peddle

[jaunty ibex]

AS val incident

[tame oriole]

60hrs playtime cant possibly know lol

[frank wren]

I’m saying more so that they should hire people for this, instead of ship it off to a group of community members.

[tame oriole]

if it was 100 or 150 id give it to you but 60 💀

[magic dust]

physics my guy

[wooden pagoda]

The logical thinking is so great that the attachment rework was completely pointless, not wanted and nerfed ar when they were already struggling.

[low lake]

I'm sure once people play battlebit when its free (or buy it) they'll come to this thread a week down the line agreeing that there should be inertia

so our numbers will only grow chudlits

[turbid geyser]

@magic dust How many hours you got in BBR?

cause I sure hope you don't have 6.4hrs

[celest goblet]

ARs were the best weapon class imo

Might still be but idk now

[magic dust]

1. Some ARs would be useless due to others having viable dmg bonus in form of Long/Heavy barrel
2. Most attachments were useless af
3. Now pretty much all ARs are usable (for example: before F2000 would get outgunned by literally everything due to long barrel dmg abuse)
4. Now there are way more usable attachments

@turbid geyser - 700

[jaunty ibex]

problem is the balancing team is got diversity of skill levels it seems

[left dagger]

is that steam time or stats page time

[hard linden]

That's deadass not a bad thing, a balancing team full of sweats is gonna be HELLA biased

[wooden pagoda]

jump

[worn nebula]

Would inertia stop the game of dying?

[celest goblet]

No

[hard linden]

Nope

[acoustic plover]

would make it faster

[wooden pagoda]

add inertia tbh

[celest goblet]

Would need to rework most of the game for that

[hard linden]

If it's shit, yeah.

[celest goblet]

Oki should just enable light inertia for like a week and run a poll on it tbh

[acoustic plover]

Real

[languid coral]

Seperate test server, shouldnt go into live

[hard linden]

Rn there's clearly more shit that's important than inertia, but based on the stirrup this has caused the active community apparently deems it enough of a issue to discuss.

[ebon ether]

please

[vast glacier]

Thats possible

[clear hinge]

😍

[celest goblet]

Then you will not get a representative sample of the playerbase and will not be able to run a general poll.

Would be more or less useless as only those who like the idea will even play on it, and good luck actually filling it up

[hard linden]

Y'all treating it like it's something that will body the game given oki's apprehension to even want to talk about it on the dev stream already says enough about it tbh.

It's likely not coming for a while and even if it DOES it's not gonna be a sweeping change.

Which is why I don't get why we're up in arms about it like respawn or BSG is developing the game

[clear hinge]

General opinion when #devs-asking

[unborn kiln]

this pretty much

those who dislike it 9/10 will not try it & thus vote no on the poll

those who are neutral may try it and those who like the idea will most likely try it

also 15 second slow mode is Painful

[celest goblet]

Just type the whole block of text at once :D

[hard linden]

Man that shit already had a 1 year anniversary

We DO not care.

[clear hinge]

That shit is what caused this in the first place

Man i love deciding major changes with discord polls and having it backfire

[lament dove]

That's what I did before I got yeeted and muted for ten minutes for spam lmao

[hard linden]

No real better way to do it atm outside of quiet observations from the balance team or devs, but the game doesn't have that kind of content output to warrant that approach.

[clear hinge]

Almost like there is a balance team

[ebon ether]

imagine
oh wait they exist 💀

[worldly phoenix]

[citation needed]

[hard linden]

I ain't got shit to say

They're right

[prisma oyster]

Nice and balanced

[icy bridge]

This clip does not support adding inertia at all. You were out of ammo, that person was going to kill you they were able to move or not.

[proven fossil]

what is blud aiming at

[coral storm]

omg obtain aim

this guy is doing 0 movement anyways

[clear hinge]

Whos got the csgo copy pasta

[grave brook]

Yea add inertia man missed all his shot on his 3 bullets

[tame oriole]

lmfaooooooo

average yes voter oh my god youre actually trash

[coral storm]

based

[tame oriole]

holy moly guacamole is this really why people are complaining

[coral storm]

not aware

hed still get shit on if inertia was there

[icy bridge]

I'm pretty sure every yes voter dies to stuff like this then blames it on movement. That's the only reason they vote yes, because of cope.

[tame oriole]

fr

[coral storm]

wildlife documentary

[tame oriole]

i know skill issue is somewhat of a joke but it genuinely applies to most yes voters lol

[coral storm]

rare insights into a common yet underexplored species

this specimen is quite slow with their dominant hand

[prisma oyster]

Tbh, they should listen to what the best players have to say, the tryhards, and then do the opposite - cause you know, this game is for casuals and not those who havent seen a shower for ages

[lament dove]

Horrible clip to use tbh :|
I just want smoother movement where it doesn't feel like I'm playing against someone turning on a dime.

[tame oriole]

why should we listen to people who aim with their toes on a trackpad

[grave brook]

This clip is actually a good reason why dmrs should be nerfed

[prisma oyster]

Because we are Millions, while there are maybe thousands of tryhards

[coral storm]

due to the fact that they often times lack the ability to record
clips like these enable the bbr biologists a rare glimpse into the life of the common shitter

[clear hinge]

😭

[icy bridge]

Ah yes, the thousands of tryhards ruining the game for the millions of casuals. We must nerf movement to curb player loss!

[tame oriole]

bro is aiming with the dpad

[queen vortex]

Yea apex should do the same and remove all aspects of movement as well for casuals

[clear hinge]

I'm bored

[rancid fable]

so true

[clear hinge]

Nerd spotted

[rancid fable]

hi

[clear hinge]

[prisma oyster]

Also tbh its kinda hilarious that P90 abusers think they are skilled xD

like of course if i would abuse movement, lean spam, dolphin diving and the most meta weapon I can easily get to top 10 scoreboard xd

[clear hinge]

Its hilarious when we know you can't

[coral storm]

"nerf movement"
the setup:

[tame oriole]

lmfao abusing a gun with a terrible ttk lmfao

[clear hinge]

Mans missing with a dmr at sub 50 💀

[tame oriole]

funniest part yet 💀

you could not catch me dead posting clip like that

[rancid fable]

waaah waaaaah i cant aim and press several keys at the same time please nerf everything waaaaaaah

[frank wren]

if you're not first in kills, are you even gaming?

[jaunty ibex]

crazy how that clip shows that inertia isnt that problem

[icy bridge]

Are you baiting? Dont you have to be able to prone in the air to dolphin dive?

[prisma oyster]

Dude reply to my DM man please

[celest perch]

look at me ABUSING this movement and easily killing this guy

[icy bridge]

He's cheating.

[coral storm]

more than you for sure, the difference is they can roleplay you and mockingly play in the exact same way,
while you cannot replicate their gameplay

[prisma oyster]

I could easily, but i am not a meta slave cause I want to have fun, and want others to have fun

[coral storm]

youre a coping shitter

[icy bridge]

I dont think you could. Why dont you prove it?

[tame oriole]

prove it

[wooden pagoda]

Meta slave as in doing what? A good player can be top of the leaderboard playing anything

[tame oriole]

record a 10 minute clip of you trying your best

[grave brook]

Not a meta slave? Playing DMR you are one for sure

[tame oriole]

please, i need entertainment

[vast glacier]

You are 1m away, you are not jumping thats why you are dead

[icy bridge]

Honestly anyone doing anything in this game could be top 10 on the scoreboard lmao

The fact that he doesnt already hit that says a lot

[warm blade]

but he is right

[celest perch]

so there's a distance stipulation now? 🤔

[clear hinge]

Aw hell nah

[warm blade]

is not fun for when the man is flying and running and then instant is on the ground with the accurate fire

[clear hinge]

😭

[icy bridge]

Movement works BETTER at point blank range...

[warm blade]

he would break his bone in this video that he was sending

[tame oriole]

muh realism

[clear hinge]

😭

[tame oriole]

who the fuck cares what would happen in real life

[queen vortex]

You know maybe they should add the character puking as well cause anyone spinning a whole lot would be dizzy right

[exotic torrent]

in real life I'd shit in your pants

[vast glacier]

Nope

[warm blade]

the tryhard is like the mafia here

always come in the packs the normal player voice is not heard

[vast glacier]

They are

[warm blade]

holding the men hostage

that want to help and say how to make fun things in the game

[prisma oyster]

Tbh i would have removed them from this thread long ago - Conflict of interest

[tame oriole]

sucks to suck

[prisma oyster]

Its like asking cheaters what their preferabe anti cheat measures would be

[tame oriole]

did you just compare tryhards to cheaters 💀

[warm blade]

only i dont suck

[vast glacier]

They are needed to find middle ground

[prisma oyster]

Dude do you know what a comparison is?

[tame oriole]

its like bronze ow players deciding how to balance

[clear hinge]

This is one of the threads of all time

[tame oriole]

bronze ow players dont have a voice in balancing

[vast glacier]

Ow is dead game

[tame oriole]

irrelevant

[clear hinge]

Still s better game

[warm blade]

but i know more good player from other games who thinks the inertia is the good idea

[rancid fable]

brain damage hq

[tame oriole]

name drop

[clear hinge]

What are they comp arma 3 koth players

[vast glacier]

Oh i miss first inertia suggestion

Only larry has Access to this suggestion

[warm blade]

the argument is not good anyways

why does the voice of the man with more skill matters more

[icy bridge]

Because they are more familliar with the game

[tame oriole]

today we asked go karters how to adjust f1 rules

[clear hinge]

Is this just hyperscape all over again

[warm blade]

but the go karter does not drive in the f1

[warm blade]

but we all play together the same computer game

[worldly phoenix]

Back in the day when you played LAN games like Counter-Strike didn't have this issue because if any clown tried to use the AWP you could just walk over and punch him in the face

[tame oriole]

yes lets punch snipers in battlebit

[worldly phoenix]

And pretty good example as well considering you would probably also expect the F1 driver to do well in a go-kart, except it's still a simple enough setup that other people can still have fun alongside them

[pale relic]

what is this

[worldly phoenix]

sparta

[tame oriole]

💀

[clear hinge]

Why are you here again

[pale relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/582031909673238528/1049424577501073508/sillycat.gif

[warm blade]

yes i agree. was not thinking about this aspect but you are right it is the comparison

[coral storm]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/589796596749828117/973270735437058068/unknown-2-3.gif

[vast glacier]

?

[coral storm]

https://tenor.com/view/adu-perut-arab-lucuk-boiii-fans-gif-22736772

its time we do this and move on

[vast glacier]

Wtr

@pale relic hello

[pale relic]

what is this suggestion?

[elder walrus]

New lore?

[jaunty ibex]

add a weight system too

[low lake]

To be fair that medic should've gotten shot in the head

[clear hinge]

Just make the game a giant koth server ggez

[vast glacier]

You can Read right

[low lake]

if anyone watched the video close enough you would've noticed

[clear hinge]

Mk20 rpm:

[low lake]

no no, if you watched the video there was a shot around the 1 second mark that should've killed the medic

or at least hit him but it didn't

[clear hinge]

A gun that can't 1 tap sure whatever

[icy bridge]

No. Even if he didnt prone the shot would have missed.

[low lake]

1 second mark, watch it. Dude literally was moving so fast the bullet didn't hit.

how did you not see it

[coral storm]

The game has bullet travel

[icy bridge]

No he did get hit in the head client side. Movement isnt the issue here, that was just desync

[coral storm]

Crazy observation

[icy bridge]

I thought you meant the pistol shot

[low lake]

yeah no i was talking about the rifle shot

[icy bridge]

The rifle shot has nothing to do with movement

[low lake]

yes it does as that was the point of the video

to show that the medic smg loadout does this to people

[icy bridge]

I have no idea what the point of the video was, but i know for sure it doesnt showcase broken movement

[icy bridge]

The rifle shot did not miss because of movement, it missed because of desync. You can literally see the blood coming from the medic in this video, but there was no hitmarker

[low lake]

dude what are you arguing anymore

[elder walrus]

you can see the bullet miss the medic to the left and hit the guy in the back?

[clear hinge]

Moving so fast the bullet is in front are you fucking serious

The brain damage is real

[icy bridge]

wait @low lake are you talking about the bullet that you see in your screenshot, or the bullet directly after it?

[low lake]

Dude my argument isn't depending on just that one snip of that ONE bullet. If you watched the first 2 seconds of the video there are many more moments in which the rifle shots should've hit the medic. That's my argument. The movement for loadouts like that shouldn't be tracer from overwatch.

[celest perch]

so true, we need the game to slow down some

[icy bridge]

Ok youre just a moron. The video has like two shots after the one in your screenshot, both of which are fired BEFORE the medic even turns around AND were aimed at the person behind the medic.

[frank patio]

Not a single DMR shot was fired at the medic. Why are we discussing this?

[low lake]

Yeah no, I'm not doing this whole "video doesn't show that" argument. Not doing some slow mo in 4k to show that bullets are literally missing because of broken loadouts

[elder walrus]

Who really cares about small things like inertia. I want a reason to play this game. Terraria grind for noticeably better gear to beat harder bosses. R6 play ranked to increase the funny elo number. BF4 grind weapon challenges for cool new guns. What does battlebit have? Unlock new gun that it worse than level 0 gun?

[clear hinge]

None of those should've hit the medic 😭

[warm blade]

where i can find the pro player community on the discord

[icy bridge]

Just watch it at full speed man. None of those bullets missed because of movement except the pistol shot.

[low lake]

Look for a clan.

[frank patio]

Are we not going to talk about the player missing all but one of their shots on a recon player?

[elder walrus]

The "pro players" all left the game. No reason to play this game

[icy bridge]

self react

[frank patio]

This is just a case of bad tracking. No amount of movement nerfs would change this situation.

[elder walrus]

focuses their attention to it. More likely to look up and read it 🤷‍♂️

[warm blade]

no i mean to say where are the tryhards in the discord so i can read what the community of the tryhards is like

[icy bridge]

"pros" havent been leaving because of a lack of progression, they have been leaving because they dont like the current state of the game.

[icy bridge]

join robocat's discord

[warm blade]

where i can find it

[icy bridge]

good luck

[celest perch]

you can find an invite link on his twitch page (legendaryrobocat)

[elder walrus]

If there was something to grind for then the state of the game can be loked over imo. But honestly its both. There are many player past prestige 4 and there are literally no special unlocks after prestige ~4. Prestige was the only thing to grind for and it gives nothing

[icy bridge]

No, pros dont care about progression almost at all. They just want to grind the game because they think its fun. The p10 grind is enough for them. Just look at Robo, he got p10 a few months into release and he's still playing

[clear hinge]

😭

[elder walrus]

Robocat is the last man standing

[celest perch]

look at that cateat client at work

[icy bridge]

True, but you can just ask people why they quit, I doubt progression would even be top 10 on their list

[warm blade]

i believe i have found the link to the server

[icy bridge]

congratulations

[clear hinge]

Bro gonna get banned for mentioning it

[wise canyon]

ya i love using the cateat client to abuse 0 Inertia movement.

[elder walrus]

This is a discussion for another chat I don't want to flood inertia with this stuff but overwhelming majority of demon, gromp, ara, ethereal, and more stopped playing. This is response from one guy so you can say w.e. but I think it holds true

[acoustic plover]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1176679548637696032.webp?size=48&name=bluefella&quality=lossless

[vast glacier]

Ok

[icy bridge]

huh you might be right. It could be that if the game was more varied they wouldnt care about it, but since they play so much they get bored without something to grind for. But I feel like adding better progession would just be a bandaid fix that would make more people be able to look past the other flaws he listed here.

[vast glacier]

Do you have interesting takes?

@acoustic plover @languid coral why you have nedgi

Answer

[acoustic plover]

I mean he* timed qhix out lmao

[worldly phoenix]

Yeah addicts don't know any better

[vast glacier]

[celest goblet]

You genuinely would have died faster if he just stood still and shot you

(And nothing was stopping you from doing the same thing, so not unbalanced at all)

[lament dove]

[celest goblet]

50m? That was like 15m

[languid coral]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1176679532233768980.webp?size=48&name=brownfella&quality=lossless

[ebon ether]

that got to be one of the worst "examples" ever, a dmr at close range 💀

[austere sierra]

usually DMR's are pretty good close range

[crisp plover]

has 2 medium-"long" range weapons
gets mad at movement when he can't hit someone 5m infront of him

[ebon ether]

which ones?

[austere sierra]

^ m110 too

[exotic torrent]

buff m110

[ebon ether]

m110 at 300ms ttk base 💀

[crisp plover]

😍

[austere sierra]

its still pretty good lol

[ebon ether]

only past 100m

[austere sierra]

maybe the people im vsing are dumbasses like the kid in said video

[exotic torrent]

buff movement speed, remove armor, and buff m110

[austere sierra]

that old version was fucking stupid lol

but still
if you can aim
you can hit someone jumping like a bunny!

[ebon ether]

we talking about flying around like a mosquito on drugs, not some minecraft hack client

[austere sierra]

yes i know...

[ebon ether]

imagine you need casuals for your game to live

oh wait

[austere sierra]

you know most casuals left not due to inertia/try hards
but lack of content lol

weve been playing the same game basically for 2-3 years now

[ebon ether]

spinning didn't help tho lol

aye g3 be wildin'

[austere sierra]

maybe 1 tryhard outta a full 254 server?
yeah...

i know

[ebon ether]

at this point it's more like 6

[austere sierra]

imagine if they played COD or halo

[ebon ether]

(rising)

[sly crest]

Shacking your mouse doesnt really make you good, if you are already good at the game then you would do fine

[crisp plover]

I still don't get why the game that started as a "millsim" has no inertia and no anti jump spam

[austere sierra]

im using a moba mouse myself lol

[ebon ether]

fr that's so goofy

[austere sierra]

and i dont even play mobas xD

[sly crest]

I dont really care what equipment you have?

[austere sierra]

heavy asf
weird to hold
but i can still aim good

can do the same with a generic work mouse too

[sly crest]

Why dont you just get a better more lighter one 💀

[ebon ether]

my mouse is too light sometimes

[austere sierra]

i love my naga trinity
interchangeable sides

[crisp plover]

sir, this isn't r/gaming_mice

[austere sierra]

people use reddit?

[ebon ether]

"sir this is a wendys" moment

[austere sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-star-no-this-is-patrick-spongebob-angry-mad-gif-9319809

[sly crest]

The difference in skill requirement is quite the significant one. (Shacking your mouse while running vs Tracking targets doing instant turns at high speeds

[ebon ether]

the true skillgap in this debate

[sly crest]

Current movement requires a significant amount of skill to counter than to use, that is not balanced in the slightest

I dont care how many people can use it, that still doesnt balance the use of it.

[austere sierra]

it still wont stop people from dominating lobbies at all

[ebon ether]

nope

[sly crest]

Why would it?

[austere sierra]

basically a fix that does nothing

[ebon ether]

but it'll not allow bs, that's the point

[austere sierra]

i mean just
aim?

[ebon ether]

not fuck with the game itself but fix situations that are just... dumb

[vast glacier]

Hey

[sly crest]

Better people will obviously still be better, but the difference will be that to counter movement you arent required to input Significantly more skill than your opponent who is just shaking their mouse

[ebon ether]

and i thought you were about to understand this isn't about good players being good

[austere sierra]

most of the people who want it want a slower paced game
and the people who want it want a faster paced game

so save it for hardcore since the decision is so split right now

which most of the people here would most likely go to hardcore which would be slower paced

heli's need inertia tho
not players

[ebon ether]

fixing air spinning isn't a milsim feature and won't slow down the game, do you actually believe the points you're making are counterpoints that have any logical basis behind them?

[austere sierra]

air spinning is part of battlebits identity
as messy as it is

[sly crest]

Pace of the game is defined by its ability to keep 100% of movement speed?

[austere sierra]

look at BF4
COD
all have specific movement tech like that

you dont hear casuals complain about someone slide canceling into a dolphin dive gunning you down do ya?
no they got used to it
they can still kill those people with ease

at close range
they fumble and get scared
hence why they cant hit shit

[sly crest]

No, they just dont play the game. Currently COD is only alive because its too big to fail

[ebon ether]

"movement tech" smh
devs give me ultrakill movement

[austere sierra]

at longer ranges
that doesnt matter
plus half the time in BBR youll get 3rd partied while in that first gunfight

when casuals dont know about movement tech in other games lol

[ebon ether]

casually leaving out that those are skill based

[austere sierra]

most people reverse boost anyway lol

[ebon ether]

i have the ultimate solution, ||ultrakill movement||

[worldly phoenix]

Do you even have proximity voice to hear them complain? Because it's not actually hard to hear the complaints in BBR when you pull stupid bullshit on people who are just chilling

[austere sierra]

no one uses voice anymore really
but yes i have voice enabled

most of the time
they complain about something stupid
driving down a street
kill someone with a machine gun
then they say hard r cuz they died

[worldly phoenix]

Because why would anyone say something when any noise instantly makes the wall closest explode and have a cocaine medic come bursting through

[ebon ether]

it's honestly sad and i apologize

[worldly phoenix]

Same lol

Sometimes my gamer instinct just kicks in and I go full Neo on them 😔

[ebon ether]

oh that's me

fr

[worldly phoenix]

To be fair you also can't drop your guard since you never know when the person you just walked into is a tryhard or not

[austere sierra]

we should just add the AEK
and teleporting broken animations!

[worldly phoenix]

At least snipers seem pretty chill about me walking up to their scopes pointing at them with a gun

They just wiggle and accept their fate

[crisp plover]

add wall jumping and sliding 💯 /s

[austere sierra]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvzE1k5yH3M

[ebon ether]

and dashing, inertia/acceleration; full ultrakill movement

[austere sierra]

start at 5:30

[austere sierra]

and a specific mod hehe

[ebon ether]

😏

[austere sierra]

soon™️ for BBR

[magic dust]

Sex & Shotguns Inertia update still not live? sadge

[worldly phoenix]

Lol even the tryhard accepts most people hate that shit

[austere sierra]

yep
but in BF4 it broke animations

[magic dust]

real

[ebon ether]

but it is skill based 🤯

[austere sierra]

atleast here
players have an easy way to learn it
and its not a pain to figure out/learn to do that

[austere sierra]

ehh not really

[magic dust]

still better than inertialess air strafe

[ebon ether]

and that's cringe.
want to dodge shit and be a menace?
learn it, getting things handed to you is just cringe

[buoyant wren]

Nah, make them learn to be good

[sly crest]

There is no skill requirement to use, but to counter it is another story

[ebon ether]

that's what i said

[celest goblet]

There is on both accounts.

[buoyant wren]

I see now

[sly crest]

Expand on what you mean please

[ebon ether]

what do you see?

[austere sierra]

yeah then make all the casuals leave since the good players will be abusing stuff the new players cant even figure out

[celest goblet]

Using movement to its fullest potential in this game requires a great deal of skill as the ceiling is not definably low.

Fighting against players with better movement is progressively harder and so more skill required by definition

[austere sierra]

atleast here
the new players have a chance to feel like a pro with their movement
but still need to work on their aim

[buoyant wren]

That's debatable

[celest goblet]

Being able to spin your mouse around is a very small part of the skill there is to movement in this game

Because I can do that but am not a skilled movement player. But I have seen people that are

[austere sierra]

how many people are gunna drop a medkit while proning/jumping around a corner to break animation?

usually comp/tryhards

[buoyant wren]

And that's fine, they spent the time to learn the mechanics rather than it being handed to them

[ebon ether]

dodging bullets being handed to you like that is just 🤮

[magic dust]

they will never do that, tryhard comp sweats just care about themselves and not about anyone else, thus dropping med bag is a big no-no cuz someone could use it to heal

[austere sierra]

yep then casual player joins
wants to do what they did
cant
and give up/leave

[buoyant wren]

Look at Apex movement, some people are completely insane and some are horrible, but people still play

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra just asking... why you are so calm

[buoyant wren]

If they don't have the initiative to learn and get better at a game they enjoy then that's on them

[austere sierra]

hmm

[austere sierra]

almost like ive been saying the exact same thing but for aiming
hmm

if they dont wanna learn how to aim better
thats on them

[magic dust]

Hold W + Shift + Spam spacebar + Shake mouse = very big IQ skillful play literally Matrix + Mirror's Edge combination type of shit

[buoyant wren]

Aiming is a skill that needs to be practiced and developed, yes

It isn't just handed to you

[austere sierra]

just like movement

[buoyant wren]

Depends

[ebon ether]

[austere sierra]

how long did it take you to learn about how the movement worked
depending on the player

[buoyant wren]

For me like 30min to a hour when I first got the game

[austere sierra]

they coulda watched a few videos and already have an idea as a level 0
or they coulda started with no videos and slowly learn throughout the game at level 0

[buoyant wren]

I come from a BF and CoD background

[celest goblet]

You can learn about how it “works” within a few minutes. That is not the same as knowing when/where to exploit various aspects of it and having the mechanical and perceptual precision to pull it off to the greatest effect you can.

[ebon ether]

by the time i went from ass to decent, and now i'm good for coming from casual/sp fps

[austere sierra]

but how long did it take you to actually learn
be able to consistently hit specific jumps/tricks
it should be easy so everyone can use it

[buoyant wren]

About the same time, the movement in this game is very barebones when compared to others

[austere sierra]

and atleast bunnying around doesnt break hitboxes unlike prone to stance animation

[ebon ether]

it might aswell do that

hitreg really doesn't like air spinning

[sly crest]

What is the "fullest" potential of current movement? Wdym by that?

[celest goblet]

Basically the best you could theoretically get.

I don’t know where that is, but it could be a lot higher than what currently has been achieved

[sly crest]

It doesn't really get better higher than it is outside of vault spinning and such

[ebon ether]

it isn't due to how shallow this movement system is lmao

🗣️ ultrakill movement system is needed, i need to be able to yeet myself from one part of salhan to the next within a second or two 🗣️

[celest goblet]

There exists an optimal pattern of evasion for avoiding bullets, which consists of multiple dimensions

[celest goblet]

I doubt anyone currently adheres to that pattern

[sly crest]

I mean, yeah.

While running turn your mouse in ways that would cause enemy's aim to be thrown off as the fast speeds + instant turns cannot be predicted by the shooter.

[ebon ether]

yet they're still effective

[celest goblet]

There is an optimal way to do that which I doubt has been discovered. Which is what I was referring to

[austere sierra]

i only agree if its for heli's
or hardcore only
no player inertia for casual

[celest goblet]

Doesn’t affect the point I was making. My point was not that you can’t have effective movement outside of the very best possible

[sly crest]

You know how at some doctor guy they ask you how you feel about an abstract picture? Now lets try that but for inertia.

How does this inertia feel?

[celest goblet]

Personally the optimal level of inertia would be tabg inertia… but tbh that would feel weird in this game

[vast glacier]

Tbh it looks smooth

[ebon ether]

even lower imo

[sly crest]

Idunno about midair yet, just getting ground inertia to a semi-middle ground state has been a pain

[ebon ether]

💯

[sly crest]

Personally i feel like BF2042 does ground inertia well, but air inertia of BF2042 is not what i would add to BBR

Obviously it wouldn't be as good as it is now, but I think it should still allow for relatively good parkour possibilities

[celest goblet]

I would say on the topic of inertia it isn’t tuned whatsoever

I don’t like that definition of the word

[sly crest]

The movement isn't tuned in anyway, I agree

It's just WASD, Crouch, Prone and Jump

[celest goblet]

Number of controls does not define the complexity of a movement system

[sly crest]

Look at apex, even without abilities it is still fairly deep

But it feels as if all the movement code has just been made for that movement to function, with no thought behind anything but make a button do a function.

You move forward and jump, releasing W means you don't move forward anymore

It's not neccessarily bad, but it just makes the thought a bit funky

[left dagger]

here you go, here is a another clip you can use for your case https://clips.twitch.tv/FrozenBovineWalletAMPEnergy-4EBuPbGBpdiTwcUS

[lament dove]

[sly crest]

You have my gratitude

[vast glacier]

Thanks

[lament dove]

Bros making this look like court 💀

[celest goblet]

that does actually take a lot of skill to do

[nimble wharf]

ehhhh

[celest goblet]

Virtually everyone cannot move nearly as well as that

I haven't seen a single player in game that good at movement so far

[left dagger]

cant talk about skill been doing movement shooters for 8 years

[worldly phoenix]

And what is your point?

[left dagger]

at this point no new movement game is hard to master you would need someone who dont know movement to do it and talk about skill

[celest goblet]

That it takes skill.
was that not obvious

that is mostly the thing backing ox1gen's argument

[celest goblet]

then you are skilled
which is good for you

[sly crest]

Idunno man, all he did was instant turns and crank the speed to max

[celest goblet]

that definition alone would also cover spinning in a circle until you die

it is definitely not what describes the video

[queen vortex]

Does any depth of movement scare you

[hazy cedar]

mfw someone uses movement in game with movement, at least leaning was nerfed to shit (thank god)

[sly crest]

Lean spam was nerfed, lean itself is the same as before, just not as spammable

[hazy cedar]

that's what I meant if I wasn't clear yes

[celest goblet]

I don't believe completely spamming lean was even practical based on what I saw

[sly crest]

I can't tell in here 💀

[celest goblet]

unpredictability > quick oscillations

[sly crest]

It was changing your heads hitbox around at very fast speeds, head is the weak spot so being able to change it's position constantly at great speeds is vey beneficial

[hazy cedar]

I hate everything that is easy to abuse, moving like in vid above AND hitting shots is hard, lean spamming and drop shotting is not

if argument was "sweats can do this, nerf this" we would have to remove snipers because they can hit every shot headshot at any distance in theory, in practice is not wide spread to be an issue, same as cracked movement

[nimble wharf]

the whole sniper thing isn't bad because there isn't any aim-assist to guide a scope-in to a hitbox, plus there is bullet drop, scope glint, etc

[queen vortex]

@sly crest can you answer why youre so strongly advocating for a movement nerf when its part of the games identity

[nimble wharf]

Is it?

[celest goblet]

Not really, aiming heads is often not practical
legs are usually the best choice (though gun dependant)

[sly crest]

What depth? He just ran at great speeds and did instant turns to dodge everything. Tbh even that movement speed looks extremely fast in comparison to other classes and the map size

[queen vortex]

It’s so extremely deep

[celest goblet]

try it yourself

[queen vortex]

Yet I would argue apex movement is so much crazier and makes a target that much harder to kill compared to this game where a medic with no vest dies in .2 seconds vs apex where fights are multiple

Ur point of bringing in apex makes no sense

[sly crest]

Is instant turning at incredible speeds BBrs identity?

[celest goblet]

it's a part of it for sure

[queen vortex]

The ability to strafe by holding w, sprint, and strafe in any direction perfectly with your mouse is

A person wanting to run no vest and go fast as fuck is their ability to use the aforementioned identity to their advantage

[sly crest]

I'm just saying how even without abilities that make the game what it is, the movement is still deep as fuck

[queen vortex]

Yet abusing movement in that game makes it WAY HARDER to kill the target than in this game

[celest goblet]

determining what direction to do aforementioned turns in, where to move to, when to attack and when to evade, when to use each thing etc

I think movement mainly looks fast in that due to fov though

[hazy cedar]

what depth do people even want smh, squad movement? So like complete dogshit?

[queen vortex]

Should mantle jumps get them removed cause you can’t track them jumping over you or 180 tap strafing?

[hazy cedar]

sorry I meant arma 3, never played squad myself so can't guarantee

[nimble wharf]

Squad is different game engine with how it handles movement, but that plays to get the same's genre

[sly crest]

If you are asking what kind of inertia we are looking for then here.

[hazy cedar]

sure movement is very in-depth but it is also a fucking sloooooog

[nimble wharf]

It's a different genre entirely for Arma/Squad/Post Scriptum

but BBR is definitely more of a Battlefield/COD type game

[celest goblet]

game needs rain world movement tbh

[sly crest]

It also requires skill to even use and it needs a lot of training to even make it possible

[queen vortex]

Yes and bbr is hard too, but not to the same extent

[nimble wharf]

Ehhh

[sly crest]

How is hold W + Sprint hard?

[hazy cedar]

why would we need this jesus, if someone out-moves you in BBR you really just should get better imo (yes, all 134 ✅ have skll issue)

[queen vortex]

I guarantee you are unable to drop anything what those players are or do the same

If you propose this / advocate for it, why else would you want it nerfed lmao

[hazy cedar]

medic + no vest + mp7 = fun

[queen vortex]

Utilizing this mechanic to do well is not easy when you can die so fucking fast

[nimble wharf]

Going fast is fun for sure, running and gunning is fun too, but lets make it easier to do by getting rid of other mechanics that would contribute to slower gameplay if that was BBR is about

[celest goblet]

we need real movement tech like turn stored slide flip bounce roll pounce

[hazy cedar]

hitting shots while moving like this is not easy, movement however is pretty easy to master imo, after 100s of hours I can climb pretty much any building

[nimble wharf]

I'm all for running 200MPH as a medic with an SMG - but I don't want to deal with bleeding and mag pools

[vast glacier]

If you want this play quake

[hazy cedar]

quake 3 was fun tbf

[nimble wharf]

Nah Titanfall 2 is my go to for fast run n' gun stuff

[hazy cedar]

too fast for me, BBR feels like a perfect speed shooter for me in which I can both relax and do well, my previous preferred game was Phantom Forces on roblox with it's bat shit cartoonish movement and if I wanted to do well I HAD to use movement to it's maximum capacity and it was not fun to me not gonna lie

[queen vortex]

No we’re playing this game cause it offers this way to play with other game elements we are seeking

[lament dove]

Why y’all referencing that guys clip so much

[hazy cedar]

this suggestion really feels like it was made on a whim after dying to some cracked player once

[vast glacier]

I play this game because it is bf with 254 players. I hate few aspects of this game

[nimble wharf]

Give me grapple

https://youtu.be/a7CENJ1tRss?si=DdZwVGiVROuGLaoO

[vast glacier]

Offtopic

[nimble wharf]

What if instead of intertia, jump fatigue? Is the issue the lack of inertia combined with jumping, or just entirely on-ground movement?

[vast glacier]

Mate

I told you

[nimble wharf]

-=~just asking questions~=-

[hazy cedar]

as long as it doesn't affect my favourite "climb 10 walls in a row" traversing method I would probably be closer to accepting this tbh

[nimble wharf]

Mantling shouldn't be affected, since it does put you at a disadvantage while doing it as a risk/reward movement

[vast glacier]

If you want grapple suggestion create new suggestion

[grave brook]

The whole "look at how inertia works in this x game lets make it like that" is the worst take ever. If you want to play a copy of a game just play the original. Fast paced movement is part of the game identity

[nimble wharf]

It was a facetious suggestion

[vast glacier]

@sly crest protection

[pallid pilot]

Easier than Titanfall 2 from an avg player

You don't need to chain much just take advantage of position/highground + snake

You're punished way harder for standing still here tho, if you ADS you're dead

If we were making an arcade game the mantle speed and ads strafe are painfully slow

[sly crest]

I wonder if bot is going to stop me again

Too bad jump/tap and vault/hold arent a QoL setting ffs

[grave brook]

damn look how many people you killed there crazy

[sly monolith]

no inertia

[grave brook]

0

[sly crest]

I am truly skilled player omg

[sly monolith]

tf is that beeping sound

[sly crest]

A true medic saves lives no matter the flag they fight under

[grave brook]

Are those clips to show how much people aim in general sucks? Because you werent even doing it right lol

[sly crest]

Bruh

[sly monolith]

that mf didnt fire a single round

he would lose even if u were standing still

[grave brook]

If you were jumping spinning dropshotting I'd understand, you simply didn't do even right

[sly crest]

I know, i just wanted to share that one

[sly crest]

And i'm still living through those 😭

[grave brook]

Any decent player would have you dead first 2 seconds, those are awful clips

[sly monolith]

this is what i want

thats good ammount of inertia

[austere sierra]

i swear theyre using a controller

the mouse movement is like .00001 sens
slower than this chats slowmode

[grave brook]

yea man is going slowest mf on the world not even knows how to

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra you are using skill issue bullshit argument?

[sly crest]

Ignore the amazing suicide, i have major skill issue

[austere sierra]

i mean he hit you a decent bit

[sly crest]

Still lived though (for some time)

[austere sierra]

even without the movement
you coulda survived lol

[grave brook]

try doing it while aiming and shooting at people

[tepid furnace]

I think you would have lived regardless given how.... lacking in skill.... the other people are

[austere sierra]

basically clips from people who have no idea what sprint is or use controllers
i havent seen people this bad in a long time

give me your lobbies now!

[grave brook]

Conquest players be like that

[sly crest]

I'm not even fighting back 😭

@left dagger This whole Max speed shit is ridicilous

[grave brook]

[nimble wharf]

It's a viable tactic, snake, dodge, run and heal/bandage until they have to reload. Then you switch to your weapon and spray em

[left dagger]

killed zero people, keep getting stuck and for some reason you posted clips of you getting killed?

[sly crest]

Uh huh

[left dagger]

you say its easy but yet when you try to replicate it you just show how bad you are at it

[sly crest]

I keep getting stuck on shit sorry

It doesn't but i keep vaulting stuff

[left dagger]

https://clips.twitch.tv/LachrymoseInexpensiveLorisPanicBasket-iXI9e7_IpqtlPQJI

[queen vortex]

Not a single clip you posted is anything close to the extent of the gt clip of him swerving everyone

[sly crest]

Now i'm killing people

[grave brook]

man, are you playing with heavy gear on? why tf are you so slow

[queen vortex]

Can we see you on bbc frontline when the server is loaded doing the same to groups of 10 people?

Prob not lmao

[sly crest]

Kriss, Light everything, just my FOV

[nimble wharf]

What's your FOV at?

[sly crest]

90

[grave brook]

😭

[queen vortex]

90 fov goes crazy don’t diss it

[sly crest]

😐

[grave brook]

says a lot about his opinions tbh

[left dagger]

what server is that i wanna get myself some of that

[grave brook]

If I do this mouse shake on a frontline server I get beamed

[sly crest]

This is off topic but anyway

[queen vortex]

Your inability to post clips that emphasize the point of this post or even the gt clip you guys use as a perspective on nerfing says a lot lmao

[left dagger]

gt is a god at movement. its like posting simple clips saying awp needs nerfing

[grave brook]

he is not even doing it right 😭

[sly crest]

Wdym i'm shaking my mouse 😭 (This requires skill apparently)

[queen vortex]

It’s aight let them keep posting and think he’s proving a point when they’re not

[queen vortex]

Nice mouse control 🤣

[sly crest]

This is what i mean by getting stuck 😭

I can't believe yall actually consider this balanced

[queen vortex]

Any good player would’ve killed you, it is balanced

[left dagger]

dont worry i am looking for him

[sly crest]

So it requires a good player to kill a guy shaking his mouse while running?

[queen vortex]

Sure, you’re moving somewhat unpredictable which is fine

The point is you’re pointing it out as broken when any good player would’ve skill checked you in .1 nanoseconds

[left dagger]

i got 10 kills before i died on that server

[sly crest]

Ehh that wasn't really a good clip

[tepid furnace]

Then get one

[sly crest]

So you need a good player to kill a guy shaking his mouse while running? Explain the balance factor there 😭

[left dagger]

there is a lot of skillful people in this server

[tepid furnace]

A bad player probably wouldnt win the fight even if you stopped to shoot back

[left dagger]

try to do your same bullshit in the E4GL frontline where all decent players are

[sly crest]

It's frontline, i'd get shot by a firing squad before i even peek

[left dagger]

its where all the sweats play

the server you were on didnt have a single sweat

both my clips are from frontline

[left dagger]

nah that is actually funny

best clip 2023

i agree with you to op needs nerf

[celest perch]

need it so bad dude

[sly crest]

@left dagger These are definitely harder, but i don't know how much of that is because of the fact that its frontline

Died, but lived way much longer cuz of balanced movement

[queen vortex]

Uhhh should apex movement get gutted cause a noob can’t hit a guy who just learned basic lurch strafing????

[left dagger]

@sly crest you did good gotta be careful tho its very addicting

[sly crest]

Apex has inertia as well and it's movement requires hours upon hours of practising to master movement.

Mean while BBR movement doesn't

[queen vortex]

You can learn to lurch in 10 minutes lol but ok

[sly crest]

While i do understand that it is fun, it still isn't enough of a reason to keep it unchecked with absolutely nothing to balance it

[sly crest]

You can learn and then there's mastering it

There isn't really much to master outside of shaking your mouse and sometimes prone to sprinting

[queen vortex]

Yet you will never show a clip to the equivalent of gt lol

[buoyant wren]

Not everyone is gt

[sly crest]

Who is gt? Some apex movement guy?

[queen vortex]

No the clip of the dude on Basra swerving everyone

[queen vortex]

So you’re proving the point not everyone can randomly swipe their mouse and go god mode

[sly crest]

The one steve sent?

[queen vortex]

The one showed on dev stream prob

[frigid shale]

That my clip xd

[queen vortex]

Oh mb bro 💀💀

[sly crest]

Oh this one

[frigid shale]

^ shit on

Bros got my clip saved bc he obsessed with me

[sly crest]

That's not my clip

[buoyant wren]

That argument can go both ways

[frigid shale]

Starting to think you don’t comprehend English

[sly crest]

Apparently i was "doing it wrong", yet for some reason i stayed alive

[sly crest]

Bruh

[exotic torrent]

he's mentally slow

[frigid shale]

^

[ebon ether]

gotta love the insults

[frigid shale]

What’s insulting is the fact you think spinning your mouse is OP

[magic dust]

• lack of arguments
• insult

classic

[ebon ether]

gotta love it

[magic dust]

ah the Inertia Civil War

[left dagger]

this is what people think happen when movement players meet https://clips.twitch.tv/TastySweetCocoaTBCheesePull-k6pf_WyYkBaRefRm

[queen vortex]

?

[exotic torrent]

Have you tried moving the mouse to aim?

[frigid shale]

@sly crest if you need more clips of me shitting on people lmk it’s $10 a clip and I’ll dm 4K 60fps footage for you ti use

[magic dust]

🫳🇮 🇵 ⁉️
💢🤓👆

[sly crest]

I'll give you larrys onlyfans for some clips 🙏

[frigid shale]

PayPal only princess

Also every time you repost it I’m charging royalties so better be ready for an invoice

[sly crest]

https://tenor.com/view/id-be-a-moron-not-to-at-least-try-give-it-a-try-moron-give-it-a-shot-debby-ryan-gif-15600239

[frigid shale]

You could get rid of the bottom line of text and I’d still agree with what you posted tbh

[sly crest]

My favorite clip out todays showcase of balanced movement

[hazy cedar]

yeah pretty balanced not gonna lie

I like it this way, completely serious

[queen vortex]

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.

[frigid shale]

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.
Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).
Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.

I think I saw him hit like 3 shots

[hazy cedar]

also YES, that is literally how shooters work, almost everything is "just moving your mouse" what kinda argument is that

[pallid pilot]

This post was truly impressive, the first thing that actually brought people who left the game back

Perfect marketing and all it needed was a common enemy

[grave brook]

I feel like he is a secret agent against inertia in the game proving there is no need for it at this point

[hazy cedar]

It's like "Oh no I can't hit any enemies with my weapon" and answer quite literally is "Aim (move your mouse) better"

[sly crest]

Nuh uh, in every other game just "running and shaking your mouse" doesn't give you such results.

If a good player is required in order to counter shaking your mouse and running movement, then that is unbalanced as fuck and not fun to play against.

[regal night]

-.-

[sly crest]

Apparently you need to get good because you couldn't kill me shaking my mouse and running, sorry my guy those are their words not mine.

[hazy cedar]

To counter someone else's mouse movement while running you need better mouse moving while aiming, seems perfectly fair to me tbh. Also I don't really care about other shooters

[celest perch]

narxa had their cateat client disabled

[sly crest]

Countering movement requires more skill than abusing it, that's not fair or balanced lmao.

[hazy cedar]

Dunno I think it's pretty fair, all things considered I am quite an average player and whenever someone outmoves me I just accept skill issue on my part, or just hip fire ftw lol

[celest goblet]

Disagreed based on my own experience, not that I can speak for you or any given individual.

[grave brook]

Hip fire, c4 and impact grenade works if someone does it melee range

[queen vortex]

Easier to move well than move your mouse pixel perfectly yes......

[celest goblet]

Yeah I just hip fire on them and their movement doesn’t matter much, in my experience

[sly crest]

Melee range
C4 and impact grenades

[celest goblet]

You only need to hit ~18% of your shots to kill them and getting a lot more than that isn’t hard at point blank

[sly crest]

Tell that to Narxa lmao

[regal night]

This stuff happens when we encounter eachother, I don't see a issue here. I fought with a lot skilled players. Sometimes I beat them and sometimes they beat me. You just did better in that situation

[sly crest]

I haven't played a single match in months and I countered your aim

[grave brook]

Its proihibited to play better than others in some situations clearly

[hazy cedar]

Mfw good movement is rewarded 🤯

[left dagger]

oh wow sweats choke sometimes who knew

[regal night]

Yeah, I just choked there. Stuff happens

[sly crest]

It's not good movement, it's shaking your mouse and running (This my favorite one)

[celest goblet]

Which is also why you never achieve anything actually meaningful in these clips

[grave brook]

(Still died)

[celest goblet]

I’m not seeing those 15 kill streaks

[sly crest]

Cuz I was specifically aiming to showcase the ridiculousness of movement

Not go on kill streaks

[left dagger]

the only thing you managed to achive is showing how bad people are in this game

[celest goblet]

You didn’t do a good job imo. If movement is too good then what we should be paying attention to is the practical implications of it…

[hazy cedar]

That's what playing a video game is, moving your mouse and pressing buttons

[regal night]

The game isn't just about aiming and beeing good at it. Theres a lot of stuff to be a good player. Movement is the one of this things. I just a key element to be better then others

[dry kelp]

Narxa 😍

[sly crest]

Mfs will say and do everything to not have bare minimum of inertia 💀

[left dagger]

mfs will say anything to have it

[regal night]

I don't feel like players should be punished because they are good at the game

[sly crest]

Level of inertia in question

[celest goblet]

It doesn’t bother me and it’s something to aspire to be able to use more effectively, so I kinda like how it is

[grave brook]

Half of the clips you are doing it just like that

[left dagger]

you can keep posting the same clip that is a different game go and play that

[hazy cedar]

I wanna dodge and weave snipers for days, I don't want inertia

[celest goblet]

Maybe my opinion would be different if people were jittering around me and demolishing me all the time, but it just doesn’t happen

[dry kelp]

Mfers will complain 24/7 in threads than play the game

[left dagger]

its pretty simple the movement is not the issue the issue is players not yet having played the game enough to know how to counter it

[dry kelp]

some people see stuff and want to do it themselves. imagine if everything was dumbed down and the same.

[sly crest]

You know what we could do instead of introducing inertia?

[left dagger]

nothing

[celest goblet]

Ban everyone with a KD over 2.5

[left dagger]

time is the best course for balance

[exotic torrent]

ban everyone with a sub 2.5kd

[sweet gulch]

ban anyone with not exactly 2.5kd

[grave brook]

I'm just waiting for the "if inertia is not added game is going to keep dropping players" like its actually the issue in the game currently

[sly monolith]

dogshit opponent lmfao

[left dagger]

you are trying to make a chance where you issue is that the community is to new to have learned what needs to be learned

[sly crest]

Yeah, that was a funny ass clip

[hazy cedar]

Bro thought he was seeing things probably 😭🤣

"Must've been the wind"

[frank wren]

Change your binds?

[sly crest]

How about a QoL setting instead

[austere sierra]

Halo should remove strafing and jumping!
Cuz it’s unpredictable!!

[frank wren]

Sure, but what do you set them to?

[sly crest]

Like honestly dodging shit like that is funny as fuck, but i still think that it needs something to balance the absurd usefulness in situations like reviving

[austere sierra]

All games should just be muskets and standing still for 5mins!

[worldly phoenix]

So first you claim wacky movement is part of the game's identity but then also that nobody but a tiny fraction of tryhards actually bothers to use it?

[sly crest]

Like if not inertia then literally anything like preventing running while reviving and shit like that

[hazy cedar]

god I hated playing arma, wholly regret buying it on sale

[austere sierra]

Skull issue
We can dm about that
You need mods

[dry kelp]

if someone is shooting at you, you must stand still cuz moving is unfair to your enemy

[hazy cedar]

I hated base game and tutorial campaign "spot 2 guys somewhere in this mountain range" was the tipping point

[dry kelp]

Probably the way its implemented. How often in a game do you die against an enemy using it ?

or rather how often you encounter such players who then kill you ?

[grave brook]

I think we all should play m249 with bipods like in bf4

[ebon ether]

dakka is funny

[celest goblet]

I would argue anything in the game must be part of its identity by definition, but I don’t think I’ve ever explicitly made that point.

While inertia wouldn’t affect the performance of most, it would have some noticeable impact on how the game feels to play

[sleek gull]

hello inertia people

[frigid shale]

Wsg who fam

[unborn kiln]

depends how it is implmented

per many things it is not a singular value or thing, it is a scale & range of how it effects/when it effects

[celest goblet]

Presumably it would be a component of how the character’s physics are modelled, unless you imply it should be done conditionally.

[worldly phoenix]

Then any change we make will instantly also be part of its identity, so hardly a relevant consideration for anything being discussed here at all.

[celest goblet]

If the identity changes then to a proportional extent so will the set of players the game appeals to. Which may lead to a certain amount of previous players not liking the game as much and quitting, and since the game has less exposure than it used to it would have to be a very good change to potential new players for that to justify it.

But you’re the one who brought this up rather than me, so I don’t really know why you are saying this.

[turbid geyser]

https://streamable.com/a6zko4

[ebon ether]

at 50hp, in close range...

[turbid geyser]

It's a bit much isn't it

might be easier for some if he was 1 hit

[glass roost]

so what u guys think. fixing the game is by implementing a jump slow everytime u spam jump. (like cs bf4 cod)

[turbid geyser]

Sounds horrible

There is already a cooldown on the jump, stopping you from immediately spam it

[ebon ether]

the turning without losing velocity past 1 to 2 quick turns in the air is the problem, not the jumping itself

[glass roost]

better than slowing the fuck out of u when u airstrafe/turn 180. people seem to have a problem with it by the looks of it. this is my solution so the 1% stops complaining permanently

[turbid geyser]

1% will always complain

[glass roost]

it legit fixes the problem by slowing ur movementspeed when u jump.

what people complain about in this shit post is that they cant hit a guy whos moving faster than what they are used to lol

[ebon ether]

other games have you moving faster but be predictable
might be correlated with some sort of movement restrictions and high skill ceilings

[turbid geyser]

Why is the arcade movement factor so hated by this thread?

[glass roost]

because 9 to 5 enjoyers cant aim and they want arma and insurgency movement in this game instead