Inertia

[austere sierra]

in COD you have to learn how the animations/movement works way before hand
and actually train for it

[sly crest]

Everyone here would agree with this reasonable take.

[austere sierra]

BBR you can learn it within 15mins of your first ever game

[hazy estuary]

1. It requires some skill (especially in CQC) 2. it can work against good aimers and not against casuals occasionally (just spray them down bro). 3. Removing the cool fluid air movement would not be enjoyable for the people who enjoy the game currently. 4. The skill gap will always remain, and the main thing that always prevents casuals from leaving is lack of N E W content.

[austere sierra]

and if you cant
honestly they probably just changed to PC, use a controller
or never played an FPS game in their life

[sly crest]

Still doesn't matter when the out come is cancerous. You yourself have called cod out for its cancer movement

[vast glacier]

That will happend if he adds tarkov inertia. But with right implementation it will be fine as in other games

[austere sierra]

cuz that game breaks animations with its movement

ffs look at new MW2 snaking

or BO1 snaking

[frank wren]

Please stay on topic or post somewhere else.

[sly crest]

Breaking animations AND increadibly fast turns etc etc etc

[worn nebula]

sorry we got to silly

[austere sierra]

the outcome here is less cancerous than COD

you just assume its cancerous since you cant aim after your jumping like a bunny

its actual
skill

issue

[frank wren]

drop shotting animation, now we can all agree that needs to be fixed
*same with prone to sprint

[frigid shale]

Stay on topic

[frank wren]

chill man

[vast glacier]

[worn nebula]

stay on topic

1984

[austere sierra]

yes that is broken

[sly crest]

Requring the player to first stand up before allowing fast movement should fix the major issue there

Because if you allow fast movement while prone to sprint then the way they do prone to sprint doesn't change

[frank wren]

Verbal warning, stop or you will receive a warning. We're just chatting here, cmon man.

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/battlebit-players-irl-battlebit-remastered-gif-5449918984888015842

[frank wren]

ok

[sly crest]

Here is a video example of the problem for any that aren't up to date (credit to decimal)

[worn nebula]

oh ow

he’s going to send you to the gulag

praying for you 🤞

[frigid shale]

Wow revolutionary discovery here

[sly crest]

Video footage to easily explain the topic to any that aren't sure what is being talked about is generally good manners

[austere sierra]

4000!

yes i was the 4000 message!

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-crunch-cat-crunch-emote-crunch-emote-gif-5506737341963771034

First it’s the attachments then it’s this inertia complaints from this yapper

[frank wren]

Don't need a proper animation, something small like unable to sprint for 200ms would probably do the job

[frigid shale]

This is good enough inertia

[austere sierra]

skill issue

[sly crest]

Basically what BF did

[frigid shale]

Literally sucked thru the ground inertia

[icy bridge]

I hate drop shotting in video games with a passion. Everytime I see a character proning on the ground my hand seizes up for 400 miliseconds, and in a game with such a low ttk, thats basically a death sentence. I've tried but I just cant get my hand to move my mouse down by half an inch when I see them, it's impossible for me (and others) to do. DROP SHOTTING SHOULD NOT BE A THING.

[vast glacier]

Weird

[celest perch]

this is why we need inertia

[sly crest]

To #game-bugs you go

[hazy estuary]

New pasta just dropped.

[glass roost]

did the thread get revived again because of "unga bunga i cant aim skill issue?"

[unborn kiln]

I'll be honest, at this rate if this was in the feedback threads a lot of people would been told that ain't used in these parts

[clear hinge]

💀

[zealous sinew]

@sly crest smh... ruining starmanks legacy

[pallid pilot]

I'm at peace with bbr movement

However

[clear hinge]

Ligma

[hazy estuary]

Hory shet

[leaden trail]

fucking decimal showing top secret tech to normans

[worldly phoenix]

the main thing that always prevents casuals from leaving is lack of N E W content
Average movement addict brain thinking everybody else also needs to be stimulated every 5 miliseconds to not drop the game 🤣

Buddy casuals don't give a shit about new content they can't even tell what new content is

My actual casual friend asked if Sandysunset was a new map the other day

[celest perch]

[median mountain]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/s/p4cllaBGZA

[sly crest]

Not really, he just made a video where the movement is shown from a 3rd person POV, which is handy

[austere sierra]

And that movement anyone can do
Takes 15mins to learn
A single match
When other games are more against the player forcing you to do strange combos to fuck up animations

The skill here is peoples aim
Which you should know how to aim
Specially in an FPS shooter

[austere sierra]

Also
If star says don’t nerf movement
Then he means it

[vast glacier]

He knows nothing

[austere sierra]

Same with you

[vast glacier]

I foundout about dropshoting from decimal video. So I dont think so casual would learn about this in game

[austere sierra]

Dropshotting has been in gaming for over a decade…

[vast glacier]

And

[austere sierra]

Which is just a single button

[vast glacier]

It is. But casual never would findout dropshoting unless someone told them ingame send them tutorial. I'am not talking about you

[austere sierra]

Dude

You die once to someone drop shotting

It’s easy to figure out how it works within the first death

Unless you have some learning disability

[vast glacier]

Never because my spasms are too strong

[austere sierra]

Which at that point
They’re probably drooling all over their keyboard or accessibility controllers

Fuck even they could learn it with a foot pedal ffs xD

[vast glacier]

Ok

Can we talk about inertia

Because we've gone offtopic

[austere sierra]

WHY DID YOU CHANGE THE SUBJECT IN THE FIRST FUCKING PLACE

[vast glacier]

I replied to you

[austere sierra]

Yea ABOUT DROP SHOTTING

Holy fuck

[vast glacier]

Is it suggestion about drop shotting

[austere sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/brick-wall-talk-gif-5290288

[ebon ether]

inertia thread truly be entertaining

[austere sierra]

You should never create a suggestion ever again

[sly crest]

Doesn't matter if anyone can learn to have a seizure when running, It still requires no skill and is countered by a skill, which makes it stupid.

You claim skill issue every time i send a clip of someone abusing movement, yet you fail to recognise that it's one sided movement which only works against casuals.

If a casual wants to use that movement against a non-casual then they gain nothing from that movement as their opponent isn't a casual.

It is movement that ONLY WORKS AGAINST CASUALS.

[austere sierra]

You say movement works against casuals
Ok try bf4 movement tech and come crying about that

See the difference

How against casuals that shit is vs this game where anyone can learn

Aiming is a thing that comes to you with time

[sly crest]

An example of a game that doesn't receive love from the developers

[austere sierra]

Your never gunna be level 1 and be like the pros ffs

[worldly phoenix]

games doing great why do you ask

[ebon ether]

trying to steer the away from the topic #56754

[austere sierra]

Like your thought process on this is absolutely brain dead if you think the current movement is against casuals

Vs what other games have

[median mountain]

lmao everyone knows about dropshooting

[vast glacier]

I play on origin

[median mountain]

people who have played a god damn fps they gonna know about dropshooting

don't act like only top level +999 level people know it

[austere sierra]

Fuck you play 15mins of BBR you’ll already be a parkour god

[vast glacier]

So add around 7k on pc

[austere sierra]

Then it’s just settling in the aim which doesn’t take long

By level 50
You should already have hang of the game

[frank wren]

If it happens to them a couple times and they don't learn, then they're the only ones to blame. But I can't disagree, a more helpful turorial teaching mechanics would do lots for newer players.
Things like showcasing how to jump off buildings into windows and such

[lament dove]

ill have to be against this one

took me around a prestige to get the hang of the game

[austere sierra]

It’s actually stupid saying that this movement works against casuals when you look at any other game with movement tech
Those games are harder for casuals to learn and copy that movement tech

[austere sierra]

Exaggeration of course
But also depends on the person

[lament dove]

game needs to have a proper tutorial section

[austere sierra]

New leveling yeah
Old leveling no

[lament dove]

been saying this for ages

[median mountain]

everyone is different ❤️

[frank wren]

What aspect of the game do you think took the longest to learn? For me the maps + map flow 100%.

[lament dove]

in the long run definitely

[sly crest]

Every time i send a clip, where someone abuses movement and they live, you say "Skill issue".

Casuals play games for fun. They just want to have fun without needing to spend hours upon hours in aimlabs. They will instead play another game.

Every time you say skill issue it just goes to show that the movement that requires zero skill to abuse requires skill to counter.

So if you have a person with skill against a casual who attempts to abuse the movement, the person with skill will win by default.

If a casual however goes against a casual that abuses movement, the outcome will not be clear. As you can counter a casuals mediocre aim by abusing movement.

[lament dove]

but imo if we talking about the fundamentals its definitely the movement

i remember moving so slow when i started cause i was just vaulting over everything

making it feel like a milsim

[median mountain]

teach a casual to abuse the system ez

[austere sierra]

Explain how it goes against casuals when most people can learn the movement in a single video or match

Explain

[sly crest]

💀

[austere sierra]

Explain vs bf and other games where DeVs DoNt CaRe

Oh wait

[sly crest]

I literally did in my text

[austere sierra]

Aim waaaa they can’t aim so give them a gold fucking star

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra can you read

[worldly phoenix]

setting the bar too high for the movement addicts

[vast glacier]

Or you are high on weed

[median mountain]

best idea
add movement physics so I can abuse the noobs more

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra you can talk here when you are sober

[austere sierra]

Dude do you ever have anything useful to say or are you just gunna waste our air?

[median mountain]

he aint

[austere sierra]

I mean if half of the community says they might leave due to this
That should be a wake up call lol

Ffs even robo would quit if this shit was added

[median mountain]

its either gonna be, lets kill the non-recon class more with punishing movement physics, or make everyone do bhopping, wall surfing and sliding and shitting on noobs more.

[sly crest]

No skill movement counters casuals aim.

Aiming skill counters No skill movement.

Casual movement abuser vs non-casual aimer, will result in non-casuals win because aiming skill counters no skill movement.

Casual vs vs non-casual movement abuser, will result in non-casuals win, because non-casuals movement requires skill to counter.

[median mountain]

after that update im gonna reverse bhop into my enemy's sniper's location so i can blow their brains out at that point

[sly crest]

Half?

[austere sierra]

Just say you suck at the game already holy

[sly crest]

Who the fuck is half?

[median mountain]

if you add skill to the movement you make casuals be shit on

[sly crest]

They already get shit on

[austere sierra]

The dipshits who can’t get more than 20 kills liking this post lol

[sly crest]

Can either of you read the text?

[median mountain]

so you want to make them get more shit on?

r u sober oxi?

[lament dove]

Don’t casuals get shit on in other games too?

[sly crest]

I want the movement not be so anti-casual

[median mountain]

yes, but they atleast learn from failure

here they don't care about improving they just want to make mechanics around themselves, or make unsober ideas to be implemented

[median mountain]

if you change it you surely will make it anti-casual

[sly crest]

#1170730270492721253 message

Please read boris

[median mountain]

I read you should take a cold shower

sober up oxi

[sly crest]

I really hate doing this, but this is a definition of an Ad hominem, boris please make a logical argument that explains how the movement isn't only abusable against casuals

[frank wren]

You can debate this while being polite, no need for any jabs at each other.

[median mountain]

movement is not hard rn => casuals can get a hang of it more easily == movement is casual friendly

[median mountain]

we will be polite mr.Snoman

[sly crest]

How are casuals supposed to counter the movement?

[austere sierra]

aim shoot kill

[sly crest]

Just because you can abuse it yourself doesn't make it casual friendly

[austere sierra]

so what
you want some fucking snaking shit from COD that only high level players have

[sly crest]

Lmao no, never said that

[austere sierra]

that casuals will never be able to replicate

hmm well its what youve been implying this entire time

[austere sierra]

HORRIBLE CLIP THAT ONES BEEN ANALYZED SO MUCH ALREADY HAHAH

[sly crest]

I have been implying this entire time that the current movement only favors non-casuals.

[austere sierra]

again

[sly crest]

Casuals can use it against other casuals, but cannot use it against non-casuals

[austere sierra]

any casual can learn the movement in 15mins
faster than aiming

[sly crest]

Who will then use that movement against the casuals

[median mountain]

wait for a great oppurtinity when the sweaty got his rounds you put a hole into his skull

[austere sierra]

casuals v casuals
hell you barley even see people play like that half the time anyway xD

you have maybe one squad max doing that outta a entire 254 player server

who says the casual just
wont go to that area anymore

wow

imagine

[sly crest]

Casual vs non-casual abusing movement is in favor of the non-casual because to counter that movement requires a skill

It is not a skill vs skill.
It is a non-skill vs skill

[lament dove]

This guy only killed 2 people

[austere sierra]

its a horrible clip to say the least lol

and again

gold star for everyone mentality

[worldly phoenix]

I admire your perseverance in trying to communicate with the mental equivalent of an amoeba

[lament dove]

The movement guy only got 2 kills in that clip and most likely died after cause he c4ed his own face lol

[sly crest]

So you are saying that literally every game currently on the market that is popular is bad because they have slight inertia to prevent no skill movement abusable only againt casuals?

Because any popular FPS you can name has mechanics in place to prevent exactly the type of simple movement abuse found in BBR

[worldly phoenix]

Counter-Strike obviously the most casual anticompetitive game ever

[austere sierra]

no
most of those games have broken movement that fucks animations
look at COD BF halo apex
ffs

use your goddamn head for once in your life
how is it that simply pressing WASD space
is fucking against casuals vs needing to jump crouch at a specific frame do your little 360 hit a specific button combo with sliding
just to glitch a hitbox

[austere sierra]

most of the clips he sent are just smooth brained people

[sly crest]

Because to counter that no skill movement abuse only possible due to zero inertia or systems in place to prevent that requires a skill to counter.

You keep saying skill issue to clips where no skill movement is used to counter aim.

Casuals don't have the aim nor are they interested in spending hours upon hours training in aimlabs to counter that no skill movement.

Non-casuals can counter that no skill movement.

So when a casual uses that no skill movement against a non-casual then the non-casual will kill the casual.

But if the Non-casual abuses that movement on a casual, then the casual is the one in trouble.

A casual benefits NOTHING from the movement abuse meanwhile the non-casual benefits a lot.

[worldly phoenix]

Why do you keep trying words

have you considered a diagram maybe

[sly crest]

Was just thinking about doing something with paint

[austere sierra]

it is a clear skill issue tho

gold star for everyone mentality

[sly crest]

But the casual doesn't benefit from movement abuse

[austere sierra]

no they do

and if you cant see that

[sly crest]

You say "they can learn it in 15mins" but it isn't useful against non-casuals

[austere sierra]

your fucking higher than me

then again
you do have the high horse due to oki calling you out on devcasts

[buoyant wren]

Jesus Christ

[sly crest]

Once again not attacking the argument

[buoyant wren]

Can both of y'all STFU

[sly crest]

But the person

[austere sierra]

again its legit just a give a gold star to everyone mentality

[sly crest]

So every popular game is bad because of that?

Every popular game has little inertia

[austere sierra]

you understand
they have movement tech right

[hollow stirrup]

people still whining here 💀

[austere sierra]

ffs you didnt even know BF4 had movement tech

then you were like

oh i never knew it was that buggy

[buoyant wren]

Nothing is gonna happen at this rate 💀

[ebon ether]

if logic had any value

[austere sierra]

like stfu and go back to your goddamn excel

[hollow stirrup]

virgin activities

[sly crest]

Once again, Not attacking the argument, but the person behind it

[worldly phoenix]

Just one thing I want to know

[austere sierra]

gold star for everyone activities

[worldly phoenix]

who will quit the game if they add inertia

[buoyant wren]

Depends on how much is added imo

[worldly phoenix]

I want so much inertia I fly off to the moon every time I jump

[buoyant wren]

A tiny bit, maybe a few. A lot, a good chunk

[sly crest]

Basic inertia found in majority of video games is not going to kill the game

Shown as how other games have it yet aren't dead.

[worldly phoenix]

I want so much inertia you can't stop moving once you start

[sly crest]

Tarkov is not what we are looking for either

[austere sierra]

ive asked a few people personally
if they havent quit they will due to it
robo as example

but you also have to think about all the people who left that might come back and be like
why the fuck is movement so janky now then fully put the nail in the coffin for this game

hell even our fav jukebox

[ebon ether]

(only enough to not allow spinning and maaayyybe to kind of mellow the effect of prone to sprint)

[worldly phoenix]

sounds like a win to me

[sly crest]

You mean, "I have asked people that have very similar ideas and mindset as i do, have agreed with me"

[ebon ether]

funking hell this thread

[austere sierra]

no ive asked around multiple people
thats just one im bringing up due to them saying it before in a public setting

[clear hinge]

you cant run

[hollow stirrup]

people here need to add some inertia to their lives instead of yapping here

[clear hinge]

bbr has a bad apple played on it just pack it up already

[worldly phoenix]

Bet nobody asked the eighty thousand people that already left lol

updated % earlier today and it's already bigger

[austere sierra]

ive asked a few actually lol

[lament dove]

i mean

inertia wont bring back players anyway

[austere sierra]

funny thing
most quit not due to tryhards

ITS DUE TO FUCKING CONTENT

[lament dove]

so why even bother and do something more useful with ur time

[austere sierra]

fix something that isnt broken!

[sly crest]

Tryhards dunking on them and no updates

[austere sierra]

break it even more

[ebon ether]

i would not be opposed to a little inertia in the air as a way to nerf the air spinning you can do to dodge bullets.
this does not mean i want movement that feels like bf for example but is still very fast and responsive but makes movement a bit more predictable
(i hope i don't have to explain why *effectively random and fast side to side movements in the air are an issue
*for the shooter)

[buoyant wren]

This is a loose loose situation. If we don't add inertia then most likely the "sweats" will leave, if you don't the "casuals" will leave

[worldly phoenix]

Except all it takes is one look at the scoreboard on any match to see how much you have of each group

[buoyant wren]

Oki needs to decide what he wants to do with his game

[worldly phoenix]

What will we ever do without the five 100KD people per server oh no

[buoyant wren]

Whether it be a arcade shooter or milsim

[austere sierra]

well remember

THE MODE RIGHT NOW

[sly crest]

Adding basic inertia doesn't make it mil sim

[austere sierra]

IS CASUAL

[worldly phoenix]

I mean they're adding the milsim mode so obviously he doesn'T wanna pick lol

[austere sierra]

NOT HARDCORE

now hardcore
im fine with

casual
fuck no

[worldly phoenix]

milsim is when bullets make you ouchie

[sly crest]

Are most video games considered hardcore because they have basic inertia?

[buoyant wren]

It was rumored, so likely not anytime soon

[austere sierra]

oki said in the past TTK wont change from hardcore and casual

[worldly phoenix]

it's not like it can go any lower lol

[austere sierra]

you really are dumb as a fucking rock

[frank wren]

What blu is saying above sums it up pretty well.

[ebon ether]

please think about the meaning of that word

[worldly phoenix]

tetris is hardcore

[clear hinge]

1 tap head on every gun we playing r6

[buoyant wren]

Gl getting them to read it

[austere sierra]

most games only have one type of mode
unless were talking COD which removes HUD/quicker TTK

not counting other gamemodes like TDM to DOM
but hardcore to core

[clear hinge]

t1 isnt real

[sly crest]

By your definition, adding basic inertia makes a game hardcore, then every mainstream game is hardcore.

[worldly phoenix]

titanfall is casual because it had autoaim pistols

[clear hinge]

haha funni smart pistol

[median mountain]

it will gonna push away current players

[austere sierra]

dont get me started on that gun ppllleeeaasseee

actually you know what

if people have this much skill issue

let the game play it for them xD

fuck it no user input

[worldly phoenix]

yes

battlebit should be a tower defense game

[clear hinge]

rpg heat:

[austere sierra]

YES!!!

oki i think you messed up
you made an FPS instead of a tower defense game!

plz fix

[oblique star]

why tf would you need to ever use aimlabs 😂

[sly crest]

[austere sierra]

i tried aimlabs for 5mins
uninstalled it

better off using TF2 as an aim trainer
or your fav FPS game

i suggest get to the orange door btw!

[clear hinge]

[median mountain]

or just play the game and build out your skills while playing

instead of doing gridshot 24/7

[clear hinge]

[sly crest]

Or you know, go play another game where you can just have fun instead of spending hours upon hours just to counter no skill movement?

[clear hinge]

that wasnt even at you

[dry kelp]

forget it

[median mountain]

you play the game (easy to learn movement) > you improve, rather if you ever played a game from an inertia enviroment or a highly parkoury game, you don't need to even relearn any new moves, same goes for causals, the movement is not rocket science that you need to study for years to be decent.

[dry kelp]

dude, you don't get it , inertia feels real good in other games. Plus do you reallly need that big of a crutch ? Dude you are just having a seizure with your mouse, dude you have adhd, dude you have parkinsons aim, you have < insert nervous disorder > while others like me don't

[sly crest]

I know im the greatest artist known in the long history of humanity

Da vinci aint got shit on me fr fr

You see how in this masterpiece, movement only counters bad aim?

Casuals have bad aim, because they just wanna have fun in video games

Instead of

[clear hinge]

[frigid shale]

Bro just proved nothing

[clear hinge]

why you pulling me in i quit because the game is just shit in every way

[frigid shale]

^^

[sly crest]

Casual vs non-casual abusing movement is in favor of the non-casual because to counter that movement requires a skill
It is not a skill vs skill.
It is a non-skill vs skill

[dry kelp]

for someone who himself says to be a casual you cry a lot about changes that are going to effect the game in the long run

which will affect players who plan to stay around longer than you

we already seen the mess with attachments, for someone who claims to know a lot, you know jack

[sly crest]

I'm not a casual, nor do i need to be to make observations regarding current state of movement

[glass roost]

why is this guy obsessed with rewarding players that cant aim by nerfing movement so it ruins the game for the whole other playerbase? 😄

REALLY not that hard to kill people who zigzag or have "seizure" as u may call it

its a whole skill issue

[sly crest]

Long term consequences should be positive considering that there is going to be "something big" coming, which would probably bring back some players. But if the state of the game is the same cancer it was when they left they won't play the game

[sly crest]

Lets just say that based on the values found in #dev-wip oki managed to achieve relative variety in the effects of attachments, but the drawbacks seem to be a tad bit too much.

Oki succeeded in making relative variety, but failed to make attachment drawbacks more reasonable

[hazy estuary]

I'm becoming convinced that even good aim doesn't counter the movement tech. Sometimes it does, but it's no sure thing at all.

[worldly phoenix]

Can't out-aim movements that change faster than human reaction time

[ebon ether]

horizontal recoil moment

[sly crest]

WE are back

[vast glacier]

Hello

[lament dove]

@clear hinge exposed buddy

[worldly phoenix]

Official dev confirmation this is dumb
#1170730270492721253 message

[sly crest]

That's what I'm talking about

[glass roost]

now i can hate on @sly crest again

fuck u

[sly crest]

💀

Who is that

[lament dove]

me

[sly crest]

You poor soul 😭

[prisma oyster]

Easy, after getting up from proning or turning more than a total of 360 degree within 2 seconds you get a movement speed penalty.

Problem solved, next suggestion please 😄

[buoyant wren]

They unlocked it

[charred hatch]

Time to lock again then

[buoyant wren]

It's just gonna be a shit show all over again

[ebon ether]

shit show 2 murky boogaloo

[worldly phoenix]

Average medic running speed

[hazy estuary]

Honestly, if you can sift through the shit this is one of the funnier threads.

[vast glacier]

Pls no

[charred hatch]

We know it will be

[hollow stirrup]

this place going to go wild when mods are sleeping

should just lock it now

to prevent that

[worldly phoenix]

Cringe movement addicts trying to game the system to silence what the majority wants

[vast glacier]

Tbh it looks like they have skill issue

[hazy estuary]

Don't kid yerself, I play support and that ✅ to ❌ ratio is pretty even.

Controversial, yes.

[vast glacier]

Because they need spasm to win

[hazy estuary]

This is the correct take tho. I'd say 720 instead but yeah

[worldly phoenix]

Not when you consider that tryhard movement addicts are more likely to be overrepresented than casuals on Discord

[hazy estuary]

I think there's gonna be a bunch of casuals who'd go "Hmm this game doesn't feel as slick no more... Time to go elsewhere."

Predictabo

Maybe not! I just don't want big inertia specifically.

[worldly phoenix]

It's all a plot by Big Inertia to sell more physics

[hazy estuary]

First they ask for Inertia, then with their foot in the door they see all the knock-on movement tech inertia unlocks and call for slower acceleration to hobble the inertia techs... and pretty soon it'll be CS:GO movement! (aka no movement)

[lament dove]

The real skill issue is not being able to adapt to new mechanics

[old crag]

plus you can learn like all of the movement from that one decimal video

[ebon ether]

yes you can learn all the "movement tech" from that one video but that's just shallow af, if a game is this movement focused, it better have some deep and skill based mechanics

[old crag]

ok lets add wallrunning and sliding then 👍👍

imagine how crazy it would be sliding all the way down wakistan slopes

[ebon ether]

*falling down wankistans slopes

tbh i'd rather take sliding if that means air spinning is no more and the warping known as prone to sprint is gone

[old crag]

sure i think the prone to sprint animation is stupid, especially when you spin

that one isnt even a movement thing its just hitbox manipulation

[hazy estuary]

People should be snapping to standing when they sprint from prone.

[ebon ether]

lemme just warp through the ground, you, the wall and then contourt my body while standing

[sly crest]

Finally someone made this suggestion: https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1175864269187854496

[frank wren]

Noooooo, impossible

[buoyant wren]

It's already happening

[sharp portal]

Yappsters

[tame oriole]

what happened here

[oblique star]

inertia thread

[low lake]

and it shall keep going until the end of days

[oblique star]

inertia thread

[waxen coral]

inertia dead

[oblique star]

gg

[sly monolith]

inertia thread

lol only 15 more people want inertia vs not wanting inertia

[waxen coral]

inertia is dumb

[hard sigil]

^TrueTrue

[vast glacier]

Oki said we need slight inertia

@waxen coral

[waxen coral]

oki doesn't know what the game needs anymore

[vast glacier]

Oki knows better

[waxen coral]

doubt

[vast glacier]

Why

[waxen coral]

because adding inertia is not a good idea nor does it imrpove the game

its just milsim shitters that are mad the game isn't more milsim like

[vast glacier]

Ok I go to sleep

WE can argue in few hours

[waxen coral]

ok, ill add you to my nickname after

[unborn kiln]

was like 40 about 3-4 days ago

[sly monolith]

Oki covered inertia in dev stream so it made people who didn't know about it know about it

[unborn kiln]

This is before the latest dev stream

But it was fairly stable at like 50-60 No(s) than just spiked one day by a +20-30 (for reference of fairly stable ; the 2-3 days prior weren't like large increases or anything, like 1-2 a day at most to my memory)

[sly monolith]

Dunno

[unborn kiln]

than calmed again, than another spike

[sly monolith]

Maybe some people changed their mind or something

[unborn kiln]

well you would've saw the yes go down in that case

[sly monolith]

Idk

All I know is that a lot of people don't want it

[unborn kiln]

a lot do

as well

[unborn kiln]

I am more curious of those who have voted, are we all on the same page of the kind inertia in mind or how many various kinds & such

[waxen coral]

imagine letting 100 people decide the fate of a major mechanic

[clear hinge]

#devs-asking

So anyway

[low lake]

yeah I think its best to keep inertia for the upcoming milsim mode

[unborn kiln]

which kind of inertia

[ebon ether]

"inertia" =/= "inertia"

[sharp widget]

Imagine movement abusers downvoting inertia and prone to sprint threads....
Oh

[sly crest]

Imagine my shock lmao

[low lake]

soyjacks want to keep their smg, medic, flying across the map loadout

[frank wren]

hiya

[wooden pagoda]

snoman no longer mod? gg

[frank wren]

gg

[wooden pagoda]

free at last

[zealous sinew]

as long as this and the prone shit dont get added idc about the other random shit

[clear hinge]

should i even ask why

or still under nda

[frank wren]

#off-topic message good enough of an explanation here

[clear hinge]

not surprising

[frank wren]

everything else would be nda and I'd like to not have oki legally own me or whatever.

[clear hinge]

just dodge the nda and fake your death

[sharp widget]

The sweet sweet info on new guns, spill it out... Please 🙏

AN-94 when

[dry kelp]

so indirectly that also means no plans to hire more devs anytime soon

[clear hinge]

that aint indirect 💀

[frank wren]

Oki said it publicly, that's what I am referring to.

[dry kelp]

well whatever the case, it's not good

[sharp widget]

Sadge

[low lake]

https://tenor.com/view/swagger-billions-must-die-chud-wojak-soyjak-gif-9373396409961113206

[solid ginkgo]

Can there be a single thread about inertia that ISNT derailed to hell and back?
I get it, some of yall don't like what might happen if you let people actually discuss the proposition in a civil way, but if you're so insecure about how popular your own opinion is...

Like really, any thread about movement shows up, starts to have some decent back and forth and then it's suddenly

• "Lmao skill issue"
• Casuals want to destroy the game
• Guys they're literally gonna turn it into tarkov
• Random ass memeing and spamming stuff JUST to derail the thread

[frigid shale]

What is your take

I’ll hear this out only bc I have an hour to kill

[vast glacier]

Tell us

[sly monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/horse-horse-reaction-reaction-elite-dangerous-borann-boys-gif-25049405

[vast glacier]

I want to know

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/hold-up-let-him-cook-cook-toy-story-woody-gif-27345024

[solid ginkgo]

I think it would do the game good to have some mild form of inertia
I don't mean anything tarkov ice skating whatever
I mean the stuff that anything from cs to tf2 to even titanfall has
Even the most movement based games from casual arcady to competive have had some form of inertia
And it's for a very good reason, it reduces the randomness and potential for frustration when targeting people by a huge margin
At the moment the reward in spamming direction changes is incredibly good for the effort it takes, and the effort to counter it with aim is higher still, THATS why even very movement focused games have some small amount of inertia, because it allows proper target leading and acquisition to counter extremely erratic movement at least to the extent that you can aim better than they can move

It's not to reduce the focus on movement or make the game less of what it is, it's to do one of the things that most reliably increases the consistency of target acquisition in any game

Halo, counter strike, basically every cod, all of battlefield.. the list goes on, ALL have some form of inertia, because it helps keep aiming from being random and frustrating

[sly monolith]

I agree with this take

I'm not against inertia if it's mild

But I don't want it to interfere with me trying to parkour and shit

[solid ginkgo]

And that's the thing about inertia, when it's done well, you don't notice it's there, and that's the issue here, when people bring it up, there tends to be an assumption of scale because people only remember the cases of inertia when they do feel it

[vast glacier]

My entire suggestion is mild inertia

[frigid shale]

Even said it himself, it’s a skill issue. If you have a problem hitting someone spinning you need to get better at the game

It’s as simple as get better at the game rather than slow it down

Really all it takes tbh

[sly monolith]

well the argument is that it takes little effort (no skill) to get very good results

[solid ginkgo]

Inertia does not slow anything down
And skill issue isn't the thing, it's balancing
The reward of movement spamming is disproportionate to the skill it takes to do

[frigid shale]

What would inertia do other than slow me down

Also what needs to be balanced spinning your mouse in a circle?

[solid ginkgo]

Have you ever played any other game?
Inertia isn't top speed, inertia is "people can somewhat understand where your character is going"

It doesn't slow you down one bit

[frigid shale]

Bro what are you on about

[solid ginkgo]

Titanfall has a mild amount of inertia
Do you think that game is slow?

[frigid shale]

No, but also a game where you can sit in the air by moving your mouse

So your point

Is invalid

Hate to say it

[solid ginkgo]

I'm actively losing braincells here
Jesus

[vast glacier]

@sly crest you are sleeping?

[frigid shale]

Initial claim btw was wanting to have a conversation back and forth

[solid ginkgo]

It was, but you immediately hit a argument that had noticed to do with "game too hard" with skill issue, and proceeded to misinterpret half of my points

[sly crest]

Current movement is not balanced. Just because everyone can use it doesnt mean its balanced.

Just look back at the old pre-nerf vector, anyone could use it, but was it considered balanced?

Just because something can be used by everyone and their mother doesnt mean that it is balanced or good for the game.

[sly monolith]

Oxygen what level of inertia are you even talking about

Cause I'll change my vote if you mean extremely mild

But I don't wanna be slowed down by just moving normally

[sly crest]

Ever played battlefield?

You havent?

[sly monolith]

Nope

[solid ginkgo]

Battlefield do be good

[sly crest]

What FPS games have you played?

[sly monolith]

None this is my first one

[frigid shale]

If I wanted inertia like battlefield I’d just go play battlefield… I think someone already said this

[sly monolith]

they did

[sly crest]

Ill send you a clip when i get home (about 15 mins)

[sly monolith]

Aight cool

[frigid shale]

^ sitting at desk btw

[sly crest]

In a bus, from work to home?

[vast glacier]

Tbh i want small inertia and tarkov or arma inertia is too far btw

[sly crest]

I dont have my material on my phone

[frigid shale]

“my material “

[sly crest]

My clips, sorry

[frigid shale]

Can you not use your words like a big boy?

[vast glacier]

@frigid shale You have read my suggestion right

[sly monolith]

qhar

[frigid shale]

Yea, I just don’t like inertia at all tbh

Makes the game feel more realistic than it needs to be

Been my point this whole time

[vast glacier]

If we add tarkov inertia

[solid ginkgo]

I genuinely believe if normal run of the mill FPS inertia got ghost patched into the game 90% of the players would not know anything changed besides "wow, did they enhance the hitreg?"

[frigid shale]

Proof to back this up?

[sly monolith]

as fun as it is to do the funni spin mouse with medkit move I can imagine how annoying it is to the 3 people shooting me when they are losing a gunfight to someone who doesn't even have a gun

[solid ginkgo]

Inertia isn't exclusive to realistic games, inertia is in literally every FPS

[frigid shale]

I’m not arguing with you

I just want proof

[solid ginkgo]

The fact that most people don't notice games even have them in the first place, unless it's something like squad inertia

That is proof enough

[frigid shale]

That’s you telling me it’s true

That doesn’t prove anything

[solid ginkgo]

It does though? People seem to just gloss over inertia in a lot of games and that's generally a sign that those games did it well

Good inertia is like good cgi, invisible

[vagrant shore]

Trying to catch up with this hot topic. What did miss?

[frigid shale]

People telling me they want inertia but won’t give me examples

That’s about it

[solid ginkgo]

The fact that you'll have people say we'll "lose our movement shooter focus" with inertia is pretty indicative of people's inability to realize even those games have inertia

[frigid shale]

I’m not saying that, nor did I ever

[vast glacier]

Oki saw suggestion

[solid ginkgo]

Not talking about you pal

[frigid shale]

Who are you talking about then?

Or are you just manifesting

[solid ginkgo]

More like you nitpicking everything people say and then ignoring the parts you can't nitpick about

[sly monolith]

Nvm I just remembered I played val for like 3 days then quit cause I hated how much bloom the guns had if you were moving

[frigid shale]

Still waiting for a example of your inertia

[solid ginkgo]

Again, battlefield has good inertia, cod has good inertia, hell the new doom games have some too

[vagrant shore]

Good example irl would be if you wear plate carrier for first time. Quick peaking and leaning around the corners would feel a bit odd. Then you get use to it after few hours.

[solid ginkgo]

Literally 99% of games isn't a good example for you?

[vagrant shore]

You really guys want that?:D

[sly monolith]

doom eternal?

[solid ginkgo]

It does right? I remember it having from playing a few hours but it's one of my more iffy examples, the older dooms i would be more sure about

[frigid shale]

Yes the game with jetpacks and no fall dmg has good inertia

[sly monolith]

I haven't played doom in awhile but if it did it was extremely mild

[solid ginkgo]

It does, your point?

[vast glacier]

I think it is good example. https://youtu.be/xgRW0vcxdLk?si=Ua-wKe07s_HoIZsn i know scum is rewlistic but still make it 0.5x like thet and it will be fine

[solid ginkgo]

That's not a problem, that's good

[frigid shale]

A game with that much of a emphasis on movement I would hope have good inertia, it’s relative to the ammount of movement the game provides you with

[vagrant shore]

First version was good when it came out

[frigid shale]

This game is a cartoon voxel shooter that was made by a group of <7 people

And has like Roblox physics

Why do we need inertia

People forget why the first bought this game bc it was a goofy looking battlefield remake

[solid ginkgo]

Roblox physics?
Have you seen our bullet calculations

[frigid shale]

My brother in Christ

That’s math and a computer calculation

And physics

Maybe a little ballistics knowledge

[sly crest]

Can you please not show bad examples of inertia we want 😭

[solid ginkgo]

I bought this game because It seemed good
If you can't give it the consideration it deserves as an actual good game that's on you

[charred hatch]

Some roblox games are made by 10+ people

[frigid shale]

^^

Isn’t phantom forces like 20+?

[solid ginkgo]

And have inertia

[vast glacier]

Thats bad example?

[sly crest]

And have more inertia than BBR

[solid ginkgo]

And has inertia: )

[vagrant shore]

People lack a ton for that. Tho do they need to know every detail?

[sly monolith]

I would kill myself if we got this in bbr

[frigid shale]

Starting to think these people have no idea what inertia is

[sly monolith]

That is attrocious

[frigid shale]

No

They have computers for that now

[vagrant shore]

Still doesnt help much

[sly crest]

Yes, example needs to show exactly what is wanted and not "this but 0.5x less"

[solid ginkgo]

Staring to think YOU don't know what it is
Inertia isn't just tarkov levels of Inertia
Inertia is any Inertia from mild to heavy

[vast glacier]

Ok sorry

[charred hatch]

it does because it makes sense for the game it would make sense for BBR as well because it's way too easy to move like a raging bunny running across it's pen.

[frigid shale]

Various contributors

So could be more

[vast glacier]

Only roblox game with Inertia is frontlines

[frigid shale]

But like five core devs is still impressive

[sly monolith]

I don't understand why big games like phantom forces stay on Roblox which is such a limiting platform and game engine

[solid ginkgo]

At this point they can't really move out
They've settled all their infrastructure

Would require massive reconstruction to make the game somewhere else

[charred hatch]

You can't make a 180 in real life and still hold the same speed so why would you be able to here?

• Because it's a video game it's not real life.
• Just because other games do it doesn't mean BBR needs to do the same.
• Note it's a Casual game and not a Hardcore game, where as games as Tarkov are Hardcore since more realistic inertia is applied.
• It's not easy to code in inertia if you are relatively new developer (7 years is a novice to my beliefs) especially when you are doing it by yourself.
• It requires a lot of rework of the game which is liked and disliked by the community, it's eventually up to the Devs (Oki) to make a decision on this.
• We are sharing an opinion here facts are different based on all the arguments.

[sly crest]

Wrong clips lmao

[buoyant wren]

L

[sly crest]

Here are the correct clips mango

[worldly phoenix]

This looks like GTA movement which is the absolute worst part of that whole game series that always makes me want to alt+f4 in any context that involves combat because it feels like you're fighting your character

IMO you should always come to a stop the instant you stop giving a movement input (at least on the ground)

That slidiness at the end is just the worst

[sly crest]

That's why i said it's a bad example

[sly monolith]

So inertia would just nuke drop shotting?

[buoyant wren]

No

[sly crest]

No, you would be able to still dropshot

[charred hatch]

Battlefield movement feels more natural

[buoyant wren]

^

[hard linden]

Nah, that'd be a whole different discussion

[worldly phoenix]

This is pretty good, you can really tell it's just a fraction of a second, unnoticeable to most normal non-movement addict players

[dry kelp]

Not battlefield again

😔

[buoyant wren]

Aside from the sliding stuff in newer games

[sly monolith]

I don't know man it doesn't look very fluid

[buoyant wren]

Closest thing to compare this game to tbh

[sly crest]

It's just the 100% speed conservation during instant turns that makes the movement bad

[dry kelp]

far from it, battlefield has more buggier shit tbh

[hard linden]

BF4 inertia was honestly really good, the netcode wasn't

[buoyant wren]

Which one?

[sly monolith]

So in your version of inertia you wouldnt be able to do what you did in the 2nd clip? @sly crest

[dry kelp]

vuzu, ruzu, zuzu, slither etc

[buoyant wren]

Ahh. Bf4

[sly crest]

You would be able to do 180 turns, but you wont' have 100% of your speed while after completion

[buoyant wren]

Yea the movement was a little buggy in 4, but still fun nonetheless

[worldly phoenix]

Well, I also don't think "turn 180° and instantly shoot off in the opposite direction" should be something that is allowed to happen fluidly

[sly crest]

Like there is a reason every FPS has at least basic inertia and that is movement balance

[worldly phoenix]

Honestly, balance aside, it just looks jank as fuck when that is allowed to happen

[solid ginkgo]

Also true

[worldly phoenix]

You can 100% bet that people would be mocking the animations in any major FPS if that was allowed to be a thing lol

[sly crest]

Like if basic inertia was bad, then why does modern BF, COD and other games have it?

[buoyant wren]

Tbf, they did have more avenues of movement, so if you add inertia you need to add other movement options

[solid ginkgo]

"If I wanted a jump button I'd be playing cod"

[sly monolith]

that's true

if we did get even slight inertia I would want another kind of movement

sliding would be cool

[sly crest]

Current state of movement wouldn't allow for anything more as the current is already too much

[worldly phoenix]

Sure, let's add grabbing ledges so we can do funnies on Waki bridge

[sly crest]

Parkour mechanics my beloved

[vast glacier]

Guys I would like to have 5k message

[worldly phoenix]

alright @charred hatch we're done here wrap it up

[charred hatch]

5k messages for what, there is no value on these messages?

[old crag]

titanfall actually has quite a bit of inertia, but the double jump lets you change directions rapidly so it makes up for it.
if inertia is implemented i would like to see less inertia than titanfall

[solid ginkgo]

On the casual/hardcore thing, I'd argue inertia does help casuals in the sense that newer players or players that don't really try and abuse current movement can suffer greatly to those who do
It's a thing of this almost "hidden mechanic" that isn't well explained and is much harder to counter than to apply
It's less of a skill issue and more of a overly tuned meta tactic that can make life frustrating to newer and casual players, and to some extent, the playerbase in general

[solid ginkgo]

The thing is, "has mild inertia" is still inertia
I don't like the notion that whenever inertia is mentioned, the assumption is "tarkov"

[charred hatch]

100% agree with

[dry kelp]

for that heckin internet clout 🤓

[humble girder]

A quick fix of turning X degrees in X milliseconds breaks sprint would resolve 90% percent of issues whilst still allowing air-straifing and being much easier to implement than full inertia (with the relevant animations it needs)

[sly crest]

That's just janky

[charred hatch]

Oh yeah I have 5k messages on a Thread I am internet celebrity

[sleek gull]

Your fix for fast moving playes Is not intertia

It's aimlab

[stable karma]

ahem you are assuming friction or other external forces.

Both angular momentum and linear momentum are conserved in a closed system 🤓

[sleek gull]

It's usually people that struggle with tracking

[sly crest]

Instant turns at zero momentum loss are not good

[charred hatch]

Aimlabs won't help with your skill issue

[sleek gull]

Yes in funny blocky game, not in milsim

[sly crest]

There is no movement balance in this game

[sly crest]

Neither are many popular games, yet they still have it?

[charred hatch]

We aren't in space here

[sly crest]

Explain that atheist

[old crag]

in terms of inertia level i would like to be able to jump out of a building and 180 back in, but not much more than that. so the amount you can turn midair reduces over time until you can't turn anymore

[sleek gull]

There are far worse techs in popular games tho

[stable karma]

Who says we aren’t

[solid ginkgo]

Can we not go that way? This has been argued to hell and back, literally all of cod and battlefield has inertia, even funny stoopid movement game TF2 has it

In fact TF2 would break instantly without inertia

[humble girder]

I mean, other games have it where jump instantly breaks sprint, that's not uncommon.

[charred hatch]

Let's combine space & ice movement

[sleek gull]

Battlefield literally lets you fly now tho

[sly crest]

Do you refer to sliding etc?

[sleek gull]

So that Is out of the Window

Cod with slide cancels and stuff

[sly crest]

All those are irrelevant to the thing being suggested

[stable karma]

Basically the same thing. No/little external forces for either

[humble girder]

I mean, I'm on the record saying sprint should be broken by pretty much any action

[sly crest]

The point is that modern games have inertia to balance movement, not weather or not their other movement tech is good or bad

[sleek gull]

I find relevant movement techs that makes you harder to be shot at

Irrelevant

[humble girder]

At the moment I think it's only stacking mags and shooting

[sleek gull]

Ok dude

[ebon ether]

shit blew up again, nice

[humble girder]

Yea but it's good discussion

[sleek gull]

I genuinely Hope this does not get in

[sly crest]

Why not?

The current movement balance is bad

[humble girder]

I'm with Star, I think if it ever does get in, 95% of players will notice no difference other than better hit reg

[sleek gull]

If anything you dont have things to deal with It, not the movement itself

[humble girder]

And the other 5% will only notice when they're trying to be extra sweaty

[ebon ether]

the proposed change will literally only change the air mobility to the point where spinning isn't viable

[sly crest]

You mean, there are no ways to counter movement or that we don't have a solution?

[sly crest]

Julgers is the enemy

[stable karma]

I just pin the original message so ppl don’t have to scroll 3h

Cope ox1gen

[sly crest]

Nobody is here for that

[sleek gull]

Irc you dont slow down while being shot at right

[humble girder]

Nope

[stable karma]

You indeed do not

[sly crest]

You dont

[stable karma]

Thank god we don’t

[humble girder]

You don't slow down for anything unless you hit a wall

[sly crest]

Imagine 😭

Definition of pain in the ass

[stable karma]

Ahh they move slower because their ass hurts yes

[sly crest]

Maybe they hit hamstring or something

[sleek gull]

I mean, if you manage to being hit while midair, stopping movement there would be and okay thing, adding ONLY WHILE BEING IN CQ on top of It, or that would be a bad idea?

[sly crest]

Sounds janky

Personally not for on-hit slow

[stable karma]

It’s also surprising to me that people want inertia but no one bothered to formally define what intertia means in a game like BattleBit

[humble girder]

We did, but it got buried in the thread

[stable karma]

Of course…

[sly crest]

Yeah, skill issue, insults, etc take a surprising amount of text space

[humble girder]

It would be adding a rapid acceleration/deceleration to movement including sharp turns, the amount of which is entirely for Devs to decide.

[solid ginkgo]

Got buried under the amount of slippery slope drama on how "inertia will slow down the game to a crawl"

[stable karma]

Air strafing irl isn’t a thing at all but Im assuming you define inertia to counteract it?

[humble girder]

I think the argument wasn't against air straifing directly

[waxen coral]

inertia in battlebit would be dumb and would be a fundamental change to the game

just get better

[solid ginkgo]

Thanks

[ebon ether]

there come the carefully constructed arguments

[humble girder]

But more spinning associated with it and regular turning, and the fact that it was sort of "free" which has enabled this spin meta

[sly crest]

Air strafing would get affected to the degree, that it isn't just instant 180 turns at 0 loss.

You would be able to do them, just not have 100% of your speed

[stable karma]

So it’s basically angular momentum

[humble girder]

Iiiish, but yes

The scale of which I have no idea about, it needs to hit that sweet spot

[sly crest]

Maybe? I'm not entirely sure on the definition of that

[waxen coral]

its already at the sweet spot

[humble girder]

But only testing will show how much/little that would be

[waxen coral]

if yall want to play battlefield go play battlefield

[sly crest]

I don't like their guns being not accurate to the slightest

2042 i mean

It's like it doesn't matter how good my aim is, it's just innaccuracy to nerf me and anyone that can aim

[ebon ether]

lots of casuals with bad computers maybe can't play that?

[waxen coral]

so go complain in their discord instead of trying to make the smaller game change

[sly crest]

But i like the smaller game more

[humble girder]

@sly crest angular momentum in this case would be conservation of movement, IE you can't turn a corner with the exact same energy you use to run in a straight line as you need to redirect your momentum

[sly crest]

I'm not going to reward AAA makers for releasing a broken mess by playing their game

[waxen coral]

you could go submit feedback to battlefield and then like that game more

[worldly phoenix]

Nah cheaper to make the devs turn the game I already paid for into the one I never would pay for

[ebon ether]

give us bhop and slides 💯

[sly crest]

Rip my 60€ 😭

[humble girder]

Hey come on, this thread was going well

[vast glacier]

And bear sex

[waxen coral]

yeah because it was an echo chamber

[ebon ether]

🤨 📸

[solid ginkgo]

"If you want a jump button go play battlefield" is how you sound like
99 out of 100 fps titles, old and new, casual or hard-core, arcade or milsim have inertia in one form or another
The reasons why have been outlined in this thread profusely

[humble girder]

For comparison, many (many) modern games massively overtune inertia for that (((realistic))) feeling and it's kind of awful, which is where I think a lot of the hate is

[vast glacier]

I can explain

[stable karma]

Basically the momentum of turning times radius. If you conserve/fix this, then you are basically getting rid of air strafing, because it would mean you can’t start turning while in the air.

You could also not fix it but “somewhat” fix it to still allow air strafing but make rapid turning all of a sudden harder.

[waxen coral]

so why can't this be the 1 FPS without inertia for the people that like it?

[sly crest]

I think that we could get a mix of, BF2042 ground movement with BF4 air movement,
See the example videos where you can compare inertia .

[waxen coral]

why does it have to become the 100th FPS to have inertia?

[ebon ether]

nah bbr ground movement is fine

[waxen coral]

you have 99 other FPS's to go play with inertia

[sly crest]

WHy does it have to be the 1000th FPS game?

We are here for a reason

[ebon ether]

(it was never for them at this capacity)

[humble girder]

Add a direct coefficient between turn radius and player speed

[worldly phoenix]

Implementation is the dev's problem and nobody will really know what the final feel will be until the change goes in so such mechanistic specifics are irrelevant at this point

[sly crest]

254 players, fun and rewarding gun play, and very community driven QOL

[waxen coral]

idk what to tell you, just play better

[exotic torrent]

https://tenor.com/view/wesley-ice-skate-snipes-uphill-fucker-gif-16810230

[humble girder]

Turn a little, negligent speed drop.
Turn a lot but slowly, negligent speed drop.
Turn a lot but fast, rapid speed drop.

[solid ginkgo]

Have you seen this thread? The discord is already more skewed towards movement, If you look in general(reddit, in game voice, etc) there is also a great amount of people that don't like current movement
Hell even here there's more traction pro inertia than against, besides the few people screaming skill issue at a balance problem to pretend it doesn't exist

[stable karma]

They’re important because if you mess it up you get really bad movement

[waxen coral]

community servers have an option to turn on inertia but no one liked it so none of the servers use it

people don't want inertia

[ebon ether]

that isn't inertia.

[humble girder]

You*

[waxen coral]

you guys do and you think everyone else does because you exist here in a echo chamber

[worldly phoenix]

Faster to iterate on actual testable change than imagination

[sly crest]

What kind of inertia did they have?

[solid ginkgo]

"People don't want inertia" - person on the thread where most people are saying they want inertia

[worldly phoenix]

Such a big change warrants a test server tho

[solid ginkgo]

Agreed

[ebon ether]

don't pretend it is, it's a complete removal of air control

[sly crest]

I have only seen disabled air strafing on one dev stream

[waxen coral]

The only people in this thread are mainly people who dont want inertia, that doesn't account for the people who do want it

[humble girder]

Yea 100%, this is the kind of change where if done incorrectly, will kill the game.

[exotic torrent]

126 v 109 is simple brain most

[worldly phoenix]

Why are people even engaging the obvious troll

[stable karma]

I’m pretty sure that was a misunderstanding and Oki ment air strafing when he said that. Disabled air strafing is basically an extreme implementation of intertia

[waxen coral]

wait i fucked up my message

i meant that in reverse

got morning brain

[stable karma]

I think Oki thought no air strafing == intertia

[humble girder]

Yea, unsure why

[stable karma]

Which is why it should be properly defined if it’s proposed to Oki again.

[ebon ether]

no def not lmao

or if he did then 💀

[worldly phoenix]

Oki also thought 12 seconds of being spotted was short, he clearly is not the best at understanding FPS game design

[ebon ether]

he does like to do a little trolling every now and then

[humble girder]

TBF inertia is interia, if Oki think it's something else then IDK what can be done about that. Unless it's a language barrier thing

[sly crest]

That's what i'm thinking as well (I think that's what oki thought it meant)

[waxen coral]

I am the lone hero trying to save BattleBit from destruction at the hands of the skillless.

[sly crest]

🫡

[ebon ether]

dude

[sly crest]

Good luck in your mission

[worldly phoenix]

Video examples like the ones previously posted

[solid ginkgo]

My brain is dripping out of my ears

[waxen coral]

yeah thats why you want inertia

[ebon ether]

what is brain

[humble girder]

Where's that guy who was openly modding BBR, I wonder if they could add it in as an example to a local build

[buoyant wren]

That would be Muj

But I don't think he is modding it anymore

[sly crest]

@sharp portal Get your ass in here, we are using you for inertia testing ❤️ (Or is that even possible?)

[buoyant wren]

💀

[stable karma]

If you don’t explain to him what it is that you want him to implement, he will just assume it’s the same as disabled strafing again :P

[humble girder]

Free movement is low skill.
It's incredibly biased towards fast loadouts.
It's brainless play.
Anyone can do it with very little practice.
You don't have to think about positioning at all.
It is incredibly difficult to balance around.

Inertia-less movement is enjoyed and defended by low-skill individuals.

[ebon ether]

doesn't he have a troll feedback team for that sort of stuff?

[waxen coral]

so go play the milsim mode when it comes out

[stable karma]

I don’t think it’s easy for him to mod the fundamental movement of the game tbh

[humble girder]

I don't want this to sound insulting and I very much don't mean it that way, but Oki's an experienced game dev in the FPS genre, I wouldn't expect to have to explain to a plumber what a wrench is.

[waxen coral]

english is his second language though

and he isnt the best at it

[humble girder]

That's fair, I get the language barrier

[waxen coral]

so more room for misunderstandings

[stable karma]

He will know what you mean when you explain/summarise it briefly. But the name ‘inertia’ is apparently not something he understood so far.

[sly crest]

Better ping him and explain it to him

[humble girder]

We can't!

Don't wanna get banned

[stable karma]

Inertia refers to reluctance of objects to move, which also implies that you can’t stop when you’re moving very quickly.

But you guys seem to mainly be interested in countering the turning part of it, right?

Not affecting the linear movement of the game

[ebon ether]

the "spinning" part of it (in the air) ground is completely fine

except for the goofy ah prone to sprint

[sharp portal]

Idk how to fuck with the movement code 💀💀

[sly crest]

[sharp portal]

I’ll have to find the correct build again aswell

[vast glacier]

@stable karma did you read suggestion

[stable karma]

If you mean the very suggestion that we are talking in, yes.

[vast glacier]

Do you like option A or b

[stable karma]

What you guys refer to as intertia seems to just be a reduction in air strafing tbh

[worldly phoenix]

All you need is inertia + hard cut to zero speed on movement input stop. So running from standstill and turns and strafe etc. would all be toned down without weird slippery feeling when slowing down.

[solid ginkgo]

I'm not so sure to be honest(this is my very personal take, i'd still be ok with anything that cuts down on the spinny part)
The turning is definitely the goofiest/most unbalanced part but it would be interesting to have something akin to

• enough inertia so that it takes 0.05 to 0.15(whichever counters erractic moving whilst still feeling smooth) seconds to fully reverse one's momentum(note that i mean reverse, not stop or get to max speed, those would individually be half of those times)
  This is about battlefield level, if not a bit less, and it fixes the turning momentum shenanigans without really slowing anyone down

[humble girder]

It's not, aaaaaa.

Explaining over text is hard.

[sly crest]

Maybe something like this

BF2042 has fluid base ground movement while BF4 has decent enough air movement

[solid ginkgo]

actually, comparing it does seem like it would be quite a ways less than bf4 at least

[humble girder]

Remove jumping from the equation, ignore it, focus on the acceleration/deceleration of players speed and the factors that affect it like angular momentum

[solid ginkgo]

yes

[magic dust]

Give me muh inertia

[sly crest]

So many words🤓

[waxen coral]

that looks terrible

[grave brook]

Seems like its not going to be battlebit

[solid ginkgo]

Battlebit is when unbalanced

[grave brook]

Your takes are awful for game identity

[sly crest]

What do you mean specifically?

[grave brook]

Might as well call robloxfield 4

[stable karma]

So momentum? :P

[sly crest]

What identity? Is identity defined by having basic inertia?

[waxen coral]

that movement

[sly crest]

Ground or air?

[humble girder]

I think star was using that just as an example of mechanics, not as an example of what BBR should look like

[humble girder]

Yes.

[old crag]

why ignore jumping? i thought midair movement was the only time inertia mattered

[sly crest]

I'm quite literally working with 2 different games and stitching them together, not really a wonder if it doesn't look perfect

[humble girder]

Because any change to momentum/inertia would encompass air movement automatically

[sly crest]

Now lets say if i had BBR code 👀 (I don't know how to code )

[humble girder]

It doesn't need to be at the "modern BF" game level, it can be really subtle and still have the desired effect.

[buoyant wren]

You can figure it out

[old crag]

true but i thought inertia/momentum doesn't matter on the ground because you have a constant force in the direction of movement

[stable karma]

So the way I understand it is just basic momentum where if you slow down or change direction it basically applies a very big force to realise the change in momentum, instead of it just doing whatever.

[solid ginkgo]

yes

[buoyant wren]

Yes

[worldly phoenix]

Also very shrimple solution to the popularity debate, just add the new physics as a new mode and then look at how often people actually pick it. If it loses to some dog mode like Frontline then you know it's not wanted, easy.

[humble girder]

Yes.

[sly crest]

👍

[sly crest]

"big force" is kind of subjective though

[buoyant wren]

Or just open a test server and see what's wrong with it

[worldly phoenix]

I'd be down for that too

[humble girder]

This isn't the real world, you can kind of have physics do what you like to a degree. I don't think any changes should completely remove air-straifing

[worldly phoenix]

But it's not like we didnt have the (Experimental) modes before

[stable karma]

By big force I mean so that it’s done relatively fast and it doesn’t take 5s to change direction.

How big the force is determines how quick the change in momentum is.

But yea that is subjective

It’s a setting that should not be fucked up

[worldly phoenix]

Game engines come with physics engines, pretty sure Oki did not code one from scratch

[humble girder]

I think Julgers is taking about a big reactionary force (IE a counter force)

[sly crest]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-right-you-right-i-know-thats-right-yas-gurl-gif-23655273

[humble girder]

Yes but they're powered by parameters that can be configured, that's pretty normal to do

[stable karma]

Yes, say you are moving with w and press s, it applies a backwards force until you come to a halt.

Most simple example

Instead of immediately stopping

[worldly phoenix]

Which will still be expressed in terms of forces and friction

[worldly phoenix]

That would feel CS:GO molasses as heck

[humble girder]

Among other things but yes

[stable karma]

Csgo implented this idea very well yes

[humble girder]

That's..... How deceleration in every game works

[sly crest]

They are kind of running by default though

[old crag]

for on the ground movement this doesn't feel very good unless the acceleration is very fast

[solid ginkgo]

Yeah, when games do that it's generally between 100ms and 200ms to go from fully moving forwards to fully moving backwards
CS-GO is a bit slower iirc, we could stand to do a bit faster than the average fps

[stable karma]

Yep, that is why I specified earlier that the force has to be really big.

[humble girder]

I don't think anyone here wants BBR to be a slow game, I'm pretty sure that's consensus

[magic dust]

Inertia is needed, sure, BBR is arcade-ish, but there is no reason for people to spin 69696969 degrees midair running 150mph avoiding everything

[worldly phoenix]

Literally nobody knows anything about the forces, masses, etc. involved here. Just draw a diagram of the velocity profile you want to see because that is all anyone ultimately cares about and implementation follows from that.

[humble girder]

I don't think any changes anyone's pushing here are for the purpose of slowing the game down

[solid ginkgo]

I don't think anyone should be let go freely from using the arcadey argument anymore, since most arcade shooters do have momentum too

But yee agreed

[magic dust]

I'm OK with arcade movement, but not in the current BBR state

[solid ginkgo]

true

[old crag]

wait so from this idea for in air movement, would a constant force be applied (that limits turn rate), or would it decrease over time, or would air strafing just not be possible

[sly crest]

Air strafing would be possible

[magic dust]

compare air strafes

[humble girder]

Current BBR movement kind of feels like a first-pass default, where you're getting the core gameplay features down and just need something to test with, and it's kind of been left like that.

[worldly phoenix]

Pretty everybody wants to keep airstafing to some degree bc it just makes movement a lot smoother over difficult terrain

[magic dust]

medic, ranger, empty helmet, smg

[sly crest]

BF4 jumps are so low it's not really useful comparing

[humble girder]

It doesn't feel polished or refined

[old crag]

yes but it feels responsive and fast. there are not many limitations on movement, you go where you're looking as long as you hold w

[sly crest]

But that isn't balanced movement

There are no negatives for movement outside of not being able to shoot as you run

[worldly phoenix]

Until the game randomly decides a slope is just too steep for you

[humble girder]

It's an old analogy but older shooters like BF2 did this quite well, it was a very basic, uncomplicated momentum system (there were many other problems with BF2 movement but that's out of scope)

[old crag]

im just saying you have to be careful that you dont make movement feel much worse in the name of balance or realism

[humble girder]

It just did player speed and adjusted the animation speed to suit, no special quick turn animations or overcomplicated dynamic actions

[sly crest]

Obviously we don't want any milsim movement, just something that makes sense and isn't instant turns at 0 loss

[humble girder]

If Oki gives me everything I've asked for, runs it on a test server, and it's terrible and makes the game no better, I'd happily drop the subject forever.

I don't think that would be the case, but I'm all for being wrong

[sly crest]

I think everyone that wants inertia also wants to test the shit out of it before it goes live

Cuz oki is stupid, that is a fact. He needs people to test his tuff

[humble girder]

Every developer needs other people to test their stuff, don't be mean.

The only stupid devs are the ones that don't let other people test their stuff

[sly crest]

https://tenor.com/view/oprah-shocked-stressed-surprised-did-you-just-say-that-gif-15401358

[grave brook]

Are you sure? Because someone here wants people running bipods on lmgs

[sly crest]

Running while deploying bipods? I haven't heard about that

[grave brook]

You sure love prone gameplay

[sly crest]

I mean, that's when bipod deploying is most consistant

[nimble wharf]

Prone gameplay is going to be a thing if you have MGs with bipods and spaces to fit under. However, there are games that don’t utilize bipods and prone like Planetside and Titanfall, and those are different types of gameplay and gameplay loops. BBR is in EA and is still figuring out it’s real “identity”

[humble girder]

Bipods and prone is already in and while it's good, it's not meta. I don't think it's something worth worrying over

[ebon ether]

it's meta on lmgs and dmrs 🤓 ☝️

[humble girder]

Imagine the shit that would fly if SMG medics were getting dunked by bipod supports

[ebon ether]

ohh shit would go haywire

[stable karma]

Would be hilarious

Ngl

But not good for the game most likely

[ebon ether]

def not, but it'd be so funny

[humble girder]

The opposite-day where smg's do nothing to Exo and LMGs shred light armor

[sly crest]

Bipod stays in one spot, imagine smg medics just flocking into a bipod LMG

Meet the medic kinda shit

[ebon ether]

dakka dakka dakka...

[sly crest]

https://tenor.com/view/heavy-tf2-team-fortress2-uber-ubercharge-gif-25046063

[magic dust]

Dead game, no inertia

[humble girder]

We can dream

[ebon ether]

dead game, no update... fits a lot closer lol

[grave brook]

Yea I doubt the lack of inertia is what causes the playerbase to drop, no new content going hard on the numbers

[worldly phoenix]

new mode every month new maps every other week "no new content"

hmm

[humble girder]

It's gonna be more than one issue, it's a mix of content/playstyle/balance/gameplay issues

[sly crest]

Back then.
Vector medic was only useful class. 😭

[waxen coral]

we need oki to revert the vector nerf

[humble girder]

What, why?

[grave brook]

The vast majority (casual) dont really Care about balance, its mostly people on discord who are crybabies

[humble girder]

They do, they care by leaving

[grave brook]

Source?

[humble girder]

Your mom

[grave brook]

Good one

[ebon ether]

that's literally what's happened lmao

[humble girder]

Source

[ebon ether]

and if you wanna tell me casuals don't care about balance then idk what to tell you xD

[sly crest]

Pre-nerf Kriss vector?

[grave brook]

Source I play with casuals they dont even play anymore because the game is stale

Not because vector was op pra w/e

[sly crest]

Game gets stale when movement is the answer for everything and anything

[humble girder]

My casual friend stopped playing because the balance was horrible

[worldly phoenix]

Don't you know casuals just love being unable to walk out in the open because there's a UFO with miniguns doing 100 kills a minute that nobody can do anything about 😌

[terse brook]

game gets stale when there is no content ?

[worldly phoenix]

I bet they left because of the Little Bird nerf

[sly crest]

CS?

[grave brook]

Source?

[worldly phoenix]

Content is also the moment the players create together

Why do you think chess is still popular

[buoyant wren]

💀

[sly crest]

You can only abuse movement for so long that you get bored

[worldly phoenix]

Either that or you're a very weird person with nothing else to do in life that can sit 15 hours a day doing the exact same motions over and over