Inertia

[buoyant wren]

Nedgi can save this game

[sharp portal]

thanos

[frigid shale]

#FreeNedgi

[frank wren]

Man I'm talking about how you can't please everything 😢

[exotic torrent]

Wtf?

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/battlebit-players-irl-battlebit-remastered-gif-5449918984888015842

[sly crest]

#1170730270492721253

[grave brook]

You have skill issue

[sly crest]

The cycle of #1170730270492721253

[sly crest]

Current movement is just too effective in so many situations.
You can run+spasm while: Healing, bandaging, reviving, reloading.
You can use run+spasm when: You need to heal or revive, you are caught off guard, sniper is aiming at your head, you are in the open, you want to get behind cover.

Like there are so many situations in which simply holding shift+W+ mouse spasm is too effective for the effort put in.

Like its the card to play literally every time

It doesnt require skillful inputs, timing of inputs or anything else outside of just knowing where you want to go.

[zealous sinew]

so just shoot them!!! easy counter to everything!!!

[sly crest]

If it is so easy to counter then why is it used?

Because its cheap cheese

[zealous sinew]

because most people cant aim and are shit, like yourself lmao

so instead you complain

go hit the aim labs buddy if u dont want to be diffed

[low lake]

what about shotguns

[frank wren]

if people shuffle in front of me it means they are dead, but I can understand how it can be aggrivating for less skilled players

[icy bridge]

Snoman its against the rules to say skill issue in feedback channels

[zealous sinew]

@sly crest please never make a suggestion again and instead get better at the game. Would do wonders so no one has to see you yap about being bad for days straight

[frank wren]

I'm suprised there is more discussion about inertia rather than dropshotting and hitbox morphing when you sprint from prone

[pallid pilot]

I'm surprised the game wasn't dead faster considering mods get banhappy about BBC jokes but don't give a shit about how toxic the community is

[frank wren]

no comment

[pallid pilot]

Yeah, that's what I thought

You get a healthy playerbase of people that want to stick around by listening to people like Mia

[icy bridge]

Starmank is to #1170730270492721253 what Slaz is to #1133151405125935307

[zealous sinew]

no, as the actual star mank agrees that inertia is horrendous. But ox1gen ruins his name with these braindead takes that ruin everything

[icy bridge]

oh i meant who you were pinging

idk who that other guy is

[sly crest]

"Skill issue" is not an argument when discussing this games movement. The reason why speed is meta is because the movement is so spontaneous and easy to change (no inertia). You of all people should know how cheese the movement is considering you use to participate in BBR tournaments

[zealous sinew]

yes, and i never complained about it because i can actually aim. Crazy right how u can just like shoot people when aiming

[hard sigil]

true 😭

i wish i was low skilled

i could be 1 of 106 yes votes

[zealous sinew]

you are compared to me so dw

[hard sigil]

toxic and for what

☹️

[lament dove]

[zealous sinew]

true sorry

i didn't mean it

[hard sigil]

i even got to 3.2 kpm too

[zealous sinew]

you are low skilled compared to me, but goated on the fortnite sticks compared to ox1gen who is possibly worse than arthiritus aaron and sits holding left click with an M249 and still never gotten 100 kills

[zealous sinew]

4.5 bucko... and 4.2 KD not a good look

[hard sigil]

i trolled longer than you on the game

[zealous sinew]

ive not played since august 25th... surely you would of caught up

[hard sigil]

yes i am catching up from .9 kpm to 3.2

[pallid pilot]

At what point is it just farming players till they leave man like that's just unsustainable

[zealous sinew]

actually thats a lie. i played october 2nd dropped 230 kills and uninstalled

just to prove i will always be top 20 best players of all time, because i am the goat

[hard sigil]

ok

[zealous sinew]

i had to make that clear

[lament dove]

🫡

[frank wren]

I'm not saying inertia is a bad thing to have, I don't know. But, It's important to consider all options instead of just being hard set on 1 thing from the get go.

[pallid pilot]

Uhuh

[zealous sinew]

snoman, as someone who is above average skill level you know the tech of just shooting the enemy who trys to do movement infront of you, please explain how to do that to ox1gen

@hard sigil you can as well now

you have reached a certain threshhold of skill

[lament dove]

how about me 🥺

[zealous sinew]

you are better than ox1gen so you can

[hard sigil]

i mean my reactive tracking really isnt insane but in all my gunfights i never rely on spamming airstrafe and i kill almost every player that does it

[zealous sinew]

everyuone is better than ox1gen

[frank wren]

just shoot enemy, I smile when people flail their mouse around trying to survive an inevitable death. Maybe 1/20 times I whiff but that's just personal skill issue I think.

[hard sigil]

most players dont actually Know how/when to flail mouse around

so they use it when they are about to die

[zealous sinew]

@sly crest see just shoot people... it is not that hard at all just shoot them with your gun that you have equipped

[frank wren]

flair != flail, I knew I spelt it wrong

[hard sigil]

and that works on most bad players but even i dont rely on it

its like dropshot

either easily countered or most people just dont know how to do it right

if someone is airstrafing 20 times a second it can be hard for them to comprehend what they should actually be doing (such as going into cover)

[frank wren]

Anyways, like most topics in the game. It's practically senseless to talk about this stuff without knowing the vision for cas and hardcore. Who knows what oki wants to do with them.

[zealous sinew]

if someone enters the prone animation just shoot at the ground and you will headshot them 🤯 crazy fun fact

[hard sigil]

maybe 1-2 strafes will work on the slowest players as you peek around a corner

[hard sigil]

TEST BOTH AT THE SAME TIME !

[hard sigil]

just aim for legs anyway because of armor system, they prone and you get a free headshot

[frank wren]

I don't think that's possible in the slightest.

[hard sigil]

no he is doing that

[frank wren]

oh, I'm mean sure. But look at where it has gotten us..

[dry kelp]

You are talking about a guy who says bunnyhopping is a bug 😵‍💫

[pallid pilot]

I'm just over it man can sweats finish scaring off everyone else so game can be a desolate wasteland and I can give up on it

[dry kelp]

it becomes a bug when not feasible

[frank wren]

This was previous faq.

he X feature in this game makes it too hard!

In the future, we will have two separate game types for people to enjoy, namely, Casual and Hardcore. As their names imply, both of them will have separate features and gameplay. Currently, during our playtests, we are having a "mixed" game type. In other words, both Hardcore and Casual elements are together to test both of them at the same time.

[dry kelp]

its a standard when feasible

[zealous sinew]

all of us left little bro

[pallid pilot]

Start calling out randoms and call them dogshit in game

[hard sigil]

yes

[pallid pilot]

I'm looking at you right now dawg

[hard sigil]

this already happens, except the randoms say it to anyone with cateat tag regardless of skill

[zealous sinew]

i have not played since october 2nd

[hard sigil]

sad that bad players blame the good ones for "ruining" games when they should not expect anything more having 20 hours in a game

[pallid pilot]

I'm aware, same happened to eth, I'm writing a class paper on it for fun

[zealous sinew]

so many players no longer play

[hard sigil]

expecting to win against playtest vets when you just buy the game and being level 50 complain about the wrong parts of slow progression

and then not learning movement

sounds like apex

[pallid pilot]

There's this whole mindset that the game is supposed to cater to sweats that I still don't see, but I genuinely don't care enough to learn

[hard sigil]

between neo strafing and tap strafing and kbm vs pc

[zealous sinew]

make sure to add Eth ara and gromp!! the top 3 best clans undisputable fact and u can never put them in an order

[pallid pilot]

Throw flyace in there for fun asw

[zealous sinew]

no one will ever come close to that

[zealous sinew]

they were not good players lmao

[hard sigil]

oh yeah flyace, 3iq, any big clan that plays more than 2 in a single server

and they are automatically cheaters

[zealous sinew]

u cannot compare them to eth gromp and ara at all lmfao skill level wise xD

[pallid pilot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[hard sigil]

size and leaderboard intimidation

[zealous sinew]

even grote has said that his clan is not even remotely close skill level wise

[zealous sinew]

"skill level wise"

[pallid pilot]

It's a paper on the division of skill, so sweats in any form pretty much fall into a camp alr

[hard sigil]

doesn't matter if they all get outfragged by one person but as long as they fill up the scoreboard they will get hated for playing together

[pallid pilot]

So not so much how skilled

[zealous sinew]

S++, Gromp Eth Ara
B, Fly ace and the rest are lower than that

[hard sigil]

but arent these the same thing 👀

[zealous sinew]

in skill level

[pallid pilot]

Maybe you'll find it interesting, basically want to write how skill and sweat is seen as a negative trait in the larger community compared to other games with scenes like overwatch or halo, and how skill is basically used as a weapon on both ends

So you see people calling out low skill and high skill both as negative traits

[lament dove]

Because bbr is a casual game!

[hard sigil]

no, it's a hardcore milsim!

[zealous sinew]

no its an arcade sim with an identity crisis!!

[lament dove]

me sweating against the level 100s in my game

[hard sigil]

i have no idea where the anti-"sweat" mentality and "sweat" term came from but it sucks to see it influence this community

[lament dove]

This one is fr tho

[pallid pilot]

Advertised or not or whatever, it's still got a large community of sweats that are devoted, and I count activity in this server as a sign that it did build that community even if they've said they've moved on

[lament dove]

Devs don’t even know the direction of their game

[zealous sinew]

we are not devoted when we realise we are not cared about

thats why we all quit

[hard sigil]

this is true

only reason i still play sometimes is precisely because the majority of the good players left

and community servers let me farm clips with high uptime

[pallid pilot]

See that's where it gets interesting bc you see the exact same sentiment from the other side

It's pretty much a horseshoe problem

[lament dove]

Game is good for aim training tho I’ll give them that

[zealous sinew]

casuals are cared about, all they need to do is complain enough and a change gets made

[hard sigil]

very very good actually 😭

[pallid pilot]

Casuals call all the changes made dogshit and ruining niches, theres not an argument to be made there

[frank wren]

It do be a good tdm

[pallid pilot]

Bandage healing and SMGs only getting dropoff touched was not catering solely to casuals

[zealous sinew]

niccoos, used p90 casuals complained, p90 nerfed is one example of thousands

yet when we say armour system is broken for months nothing is changed

[pallid pilot]

Casuals think armor is broken too, diff way

Same side of a diff coin

Nobody likes leg meta

[icy bridge]

What changes have happened that casuals have disliked?

[lament dove]

Casuals that have 5 hrs played > don’t enough about the game > suggest dogshit changes > game dies

[pallid pilot]

The bandage update making bandages more important and rare, the stupid fucking map voting that flips teams every time, any form of a buff to smgs

[zealous sinew]

https://clips.twitch.tv/InquisitivePeppyAntTBCheesePull-U5ijwf0wXO7Eegkm

all i need to say

[lament dove]

Many many examples have happened in the last alr and devs are still naive

[frank wren]

old flinch?

[zealous sinew]

that was in june

[pallid pilot]

Naive is the fact that they still don't pick a fucking side

[zealous sinew]

and its still not been changed

[lament dove]

Mia u playing on compressed resolution or sum? 😭😭

[zealous sinew]

i played custom res as i have a big ass monitor

https://clips.twitch.tv/ConsiderateAliveKeyboardBlargNaut-hmjJHmO75d6VBFPo

another one!!!

[pallid pilot]

For every change that tried to compromise, SMG falloff instead of actual nerfs, bandage healing, not nerfing medic, it all lead to pretty much the same thing, nobody happy and everyone leaving

Idk and IDC if it was the right play for any of those

But man

It's so wishy-washy

Not to mention we've barely got changes anyways

So I can't exactly list anything that casuals didn't like bc there's barely anything to list

[hard sigil]

people think they get beamed at 100m by every smg but 100m is actually pretty far😭😭smgs were meant to excel in cqc which is where the majority of fights happen on most maps

[icy bridge]

i mean there's plenty that non casuals have to complain about

[hard sigil]

and so the falloff nerf did nothing

[hard sigil]

such as bad player opinions

[icy bridge]

i mean changes

[pallid pilot]

20-40 meters is alr more than cqc, and yet everyone says smgs are dead

Maddening

[hard sigil]

like updates barely being playtested

"massive updates" being 2 QOL changes and a map glow down

[pallid pilot]

Changes that are supposed to work for both sides and neither thinks they're good enough

[pallid pilot]

That's all on Oki

Saying it now

[hard sigil]

fundamentally unbalanced maps (looking at sandy and the broken start on kodiak domination 127v127) that either give a team a position advantage or a straight up point advantage

maps are BAD they promote the two extremes of combat at cqc and lr

[pallid pilot]

Sure, I'm guessing lean spam, weapon balancing, maps, to start?

If it were Oki they would've been gutted

[icy bridge]

@zealous sinew whats your list?

i know you have one

[pallid pilot]

I remember playing old as val

[hard sigil]

LEAN SPAM IS NOT THAT STRONG YOU CAN AIM CENTER MASS. AIR STRAFE IS NOT THAT STRONG YOU CAN AIM AT ORIGIN BECAUSE THEY WILL STRAFE BACK INTO IT. DROPSHOT IS NOT THAT STRONG BECAUSE PEOPLE AIM AT FEET ANYWAY DUE TO ARMOR

and oh boy armor

[zealous sinew]

of nerfs that have benefitted comp players?#

[pallid pilot]

Hey dumbass I'm listing changes that sweats would be annoyed by I'm not trying to call anything out

[icy bridge]

the opposite

[pallid pilot]

Lean spam looked stupid, that's my only thought on it

[hard sigil]

i would say that the most annoying thing to me is the playerbase making false opinions of guns that are statistically bad

[pallid pilot]

Groza?

[hard sigil]

groza is decent. i am talking about pp19, hb, and famas pre-buff as well as f2000 pre-buff

[pallid pilot]

What, are we talking people saying they're better than they are?

Sure I can vibe with that

Old pp2k was trash but people loved it

[zealous sinew]

Leaning, spawn rate, map layers, gun changes, LB nerf, HB nerf, AK nerf, No buff for new metas, Armour change, running speed changes, hot join servers, gamemode specific servers never coming, KoH never being added, P90 nerf, AK5C re work, barb wire addition, random boat addition, grenade trohpy system addition, groza change, nade change, C4 carry count change, medic change what else hmm

[hard sigil]

it bothers me because the guns could actually be good

[pallid pilot]

New ACR I think is junk

[hard sigil]

quick match puts you in vanilla servers only by default

boats have no use on conquest maps

[zealous sinew]

thats my point

[hard sigil]

sad . i wish i could boat

[pallid pilot]

They got buffed for a reason, cept pp19

[zealous sinew]

vanilla only, which means gamemode spec modded servers are always dead

[hard sigil]

also some weird policy on official progression servers

[icy bridge]

on that note, i wonder if hardcore mode will help or hurt the problem with dead servers 🤔

[hard sigil]

little difference between "fast respawn" and "instant respawn," 100hp bandages, scorestreaks (bboce)

[hard sigil]

there is exactly 1 living infantry hardcore server on NA - rogue soldiers hc dom/infconq
and guess what
it has a killfeed (iirc)

[pallid pilot]

Wasnt old Ak5C dogshit? What armor change? What groza change?? Literally a single C4 on one class that's still miles better than the others, what medic change???

Everything else is valid

[zealous sinew]

groza change of ammo count and reload speed

[pallid pilot]

The ones I listed are headscratchers but maybe before my time

[zealous sinew]

armour change, was the mag changes for armour and not having ranger for other classes till assault got it with recon

[hard sigil]

also no incentive to progress past p3, oki saving all the skins to roll out whenever he wants to even tho they are all ready already

[zealous sinew]

and ak5c fire rate was shadowchanged and never put in patch notes

or they just forgot to add it

[hard sigil]

wtf it was ? 💀

[zealous sinew]

also vilaskis getting rid of certain player count for gamemodes

also not put in patch notes

[lament dove]

Fr why bro be gate keeping

[pallid pilot]

It got reworked from being a 700 rpm 4 shot to a 600 rpm 3 shot

Basically an mg36 clone

But like before it was hot ass

[zealous sinew]

it was a 650rpm 3 shot but they changed that to 600 and said nothing

[pallid pilot]

Legit? I couldve sworn it was 600 rpm out the gate bc it was supposed to be an mg36 clone

[zealous sinew]

yes, cause it was meta for 2 days in pugs due to the assult class buffs as well

[pallid pilot]

Oki moment, that's too half assed for a balance team thing

[hard sigil]

medic wouldnt be so relatively op if other classes were at least similarly sustainable

[zealous sinew]

medic is not as op as support and assault now as they can restock their own bandages to legit heal

[pallid pilot]

Half of these things are pretty universal tho, LB/HB should've/ should be paired with AR buffs, boat and barbed wire was a random Oki not a community ask, KoH isnt a community thing, gamemode specific servers are 100% an ask from waki conq players too, etc

[zealous sinew]

KoH oki said he would add in may and never came

[clear hinge]

Koth?

[zealous sinew]

yes

[pallid pilot]

When support and assault take 8 seconds to heal to full with non replenishable armor they will straight up never feel fluid and therefore fun

[clear hinge]

Who calls it koh 😭

[zealous sinew]

@bright anchor can tell you all about Koth

[zealous sinew]

faster typing

[pallid pilot]

Yea, but this isn't Oki catering to casuals this is just Oki doing what he feels like

[hard sigil]

arma !!

[clear hinge]

Arma 3 koth funni when your guns dont beanbag

Or crossmapped by sniper

[zealous sinew]

no, like oki said to him it would be added after he went on month long campaign to add it

yet its still not here

[hard sigil]

oh. )-:

[clear hinge]

Fuck you we get bf1 operations mode first

[pallid pilot]

I mean cool Gamemode and better than frontlines if we're gonna be blunt here

But empty promise, right

[clear hinge]

Frontlines if the objectives n maps wernt fucked and THERE WAS AN ACTUAL GRACE PERIOD AAAAAA

[pallid pilot]

Exactly

Except

I asked vilaskis

No grace periods

So I have no clue what the fuck they're doing

[clear hinge]

I forgot the would be fine part

[clear hinge]

Bruh

One squad will just snowball the entire map 😭

[pallid pilot]

That's what I was saying

Then again

He didn't specifically say no grace periods

[clear hinge]

Unless the points are dogshit like tensa c1 its gonna snowball

[pallid pilot]

I just asked him what prevents snowballing and he said vehicles and good swuads

[clear hinge]

Lulno

[pallid pilot]

No mention of grace periods

So either language barrier or Gamemode is cooked

[clear hinge]

Only thing stopping snowball is half the team hitting respawn

[pallid pilot]

On the other hand

[clear hinge]

Or comically long cap timer

[pallid pilot]

A few devstreams go vilaskis talked about adding grace timers to objectives

So maybe there's hope

Alr, I'm goin to sleep

[pallid pilot]

Night y'all, no hard feelings

[clear hinge]

[pallid pilot]

I have no nitro and I must cope

[unborn kiln]

that be a lot of spread damage in honesty

[clear hinge]

Oh shit here we go again

[ebon ether]

hit armor, hit rock and didn't have enough bullets
happens

[zealous sinew]

slow it down, i get killed through the rock

[ebon ether]

latency, networking and weird model hitboxes...

rocks are goofed on a bunch of maps it seems

[unborn kiln]

best guess is some desync

[ebon ether]

you didn't mean that seriously, please

[unborn kiln]

kinda confused by this statement

[zealous sinew]

medic is not as op as support lol

[unborn kiln]

any reason you think that?

[ebon ether]

In what context? 1v1 where both are in a bad spot or in an entire match

[zealous sinew]

1v1 support wins everytime

[ebon ether]

nah buddy

[zealous sinew]

yes it really does lmao

[ebon ether]

legs, arms

they don't lol
and after that one engagement they're dead because they got no more armor but its downsides

[zealous sinew]

you said in 1v1

support wins everytime

[ebon ether]

ultimas 300ms ttk, ah yes

ok mg36 200

[zealous sinew]

l86 LB 167...

[ebon ether]

it was 155ms and now no longer works

anyways was an amusing read

[hard sigil]

lb nerf gg

[ebon ether]

wrong ttk aswell...

[zealous sinew]

who told you it was 155 lmao

[ebon ether]

(3-1)÷(775/60)

[dry kelp]

@pallid pilot if you are against sweats so much, why did you join a server full of sweats

[clear hinge]

Exposed in 4k

[unborn kiln]

???

will state this that be a while ago when it was that effected by LB

But in terms of TTK, most other classes can get something faster than a support can

Mix with legs which disregards armor

so medic as a example could use fal, scorp or so on

otherwise the ADS speed comes to play depending on the type of 1v1

and sustain,skirmish etc

[sly crest]

Mf you are replying to the owner of BBR tournaments

[sly crest]

Source?

Cuz i just happen to know the guy that wrote the AK5C 30 dmg --> 34 buff and there were no firerate changes

[sly crest]

Not only did it look stupid, you would be able to manipulate your Head hitbox at very fast pace, and the counter argument against it was "I aim at legs anyway so dont nerf lean spam"

[sly crest]

Hit reg issues
Mia: Darn armor OP

[raw violet]

Guys we did it

2.3k messages

[raw violet]

I maybe lost 10 1v1s against supports

And not because of armor but because I suffer from severe skill issue

[vast glacier]

?

[raw violet]

?

[clear hinge]

you still can 😭

[median mountain]

Shit server lmao

[tame oriole]

not rlly bc hitboxes are so big

[lament dove]

imo its good for target switching practise

and theres a lot of people so you get in gunfights very often

[tame oriole]

true true

[zealous sinew]

and you never ever played in them i wonder why

dont call yourself the owner of them when you were just a discord janitor for them

[dry kelp]

Dude I don't think you have any credibility left now whatsoever to call out others.
As soon as I gave you an explanation how players will start bunnyhopping when you add factors like inertia, you instantly classified it as a bug. Even though the feature is not there in the game yet 🤣

@sly crest

I wonder what the next "bug" will be ? 😵‍💫

[sly crest]

I never played because i had my own clan

[sly crest]

I didnt call myself the owner, you replied to Snoman, who is the owner.

[sly crest]

Your entire argument is that BF4 had a little inertia and bugs which allowed you to get unintended momentum (BF4 Bunny hopping as an example) and thats why you dont think inertia is good.

[dry kelp]

🤣 Bunny hopping is not Bf4 exclusive. Lmao talk about being so oblivious.

Keep coping by calling any inconvenience as bug 👍

[sly crest]

CS bunny hopping was originally a bug, which was then kept as a feature, due to it not being consistent and it not giving that big of an advantage in a normal gun fight.

BF4 bunny hopping on the other hand...

Consistency and reward being major differences in each games bunny hopping

[dry kelp]

Oblivious about CS too ?

Bunny hopping to peak a corner that you would not reach in time or prefire is not an advantage guys

[dry kelp]

Where's your consistency and effort for bbit then ?

[humble girder]

Doesn't bunnyhopping in CS require some skill and practice though, especially to pull off sequentially? 🤓

[dry kelp]

Mhm it definitely does which I told them

[humble girder]

So adding inertia (to reduce low-skill move tech) would add bhopping (high-skill move tech)? Sounds like a no-brainer to me

[dry kelp]

Yes indeed, what I understood from reading your posts and his - there are two categories of players against air strafing. Your group doesn't like it because anybody can do it. The other group being his doesn't like that it exists.

I would prefer your groups reasons over his any day.

He's already calling that movement as a bug before its even in the game so you can understand a bit of mindset @humble girder

[sly crest]

Your ass has been bad faithing my shit all the time 💀

When did i say i wanted air strafing gone?

[dry kelp]

What he doesn't understand is that his gap between him and the ones he's complaining will only widen

[humble girder]

Tbh Kata you do kind of half-read arguments before posting

[sly crest]

❓

[dry kelp]

I only did for some of yours

they were too long

[humble girder]

That's a you problem

[dry kelp]

🤣

[ebon ether]

that's what...

[dry kelp]

Ah yes you definitely did not keep ranting about "unfinished movement","bug that shouldn't be there",

etc etc

[dry kelp]

hey atleast I alway read yours even though we may disagree on some things

[sly crest]

I said regular gunfight, not an entire round. Being able to execute a couple bunny hops with a bad spawn wont give you an advantage.

Also there is a high likely hood that you will fail a bunny hop thus not making it likely to prove useful to any meaningful degree outside of few cases where circumstances lean to benefit you

[ebon ether]

i feel like almost everyone here - who argues for changes - is apposed to it being a low skill mechanic, if there are people who don't like movement in the air apart from in a straight curve then this game just won't cut it i feel like

[dry kelp]

😵‍💫 oh wow a frag or two early in the round which has 5v5 SND has no impact

[humble girder]

Bhopping under pressure

[sly crest]

He did it again

Read Kata Read

[humble girder]

That one's kind of on you, you didn't specify BBR

[dry kelp]

I am just calling out your thinking procesw that you believe no one can hit more than a couple of bhops

[sly crest]

I was talking CS

[sly crest]

Consistancy

Circumstances

[dry kelp]

I was also referring to CS.... Hence I mentioned 5v5 SND

[buoyant wren]

Ngl I'd rather have something like sliding or bhopping than the movement is rn, that being press shift and wiggle your mouse a bit. It would propose actual skill for those who practice it than little Timmy moving his mouse a little

[dry kelp]

👍Thats a good take

[buoyant wren]

[dry kelp]

Or atleast I would understand the reasoning

[median mountain]

Pros with inertia in bbr be like
https://youtu.be/MY9A1kFgyqI?si=Wlo3fH6YAv1R2fgG

[buoyant wren]

If we could replace the idea of inertia with actual skill based movement then I would be on board with it

[dry kelp]

😷 yeah I don't think inertia itself would deal with those issues. I don't want it unless movement for heavier classes is reviewed

[ebon ether]

well since we don't have a weight system, only two movement speed multipliers it wouldn't be nearly as bad

[ebon ether]

💯

[dry kelp]

so does that mean the support class base speed is fucked from the get go ?

not because of gear ?

💀 thats kind of vile

[humble girder]

Doing something as simple as causing sharp turns (180+) to pull you out of sprint would fix a lot

If people were still doing it after that by manually timing shift inputs, all the power to them

[dry kelp]

yes perhaps

[vast glacier]

Even vilaskis said that thats not intended

[dry kelp]

I think even though we have different opinions

none of us really take him seriously

[buoyant wren]

Obviously

[dry kelp]

one point most of us would agree on

[ebon ether]

kinda, the armor and backpack from the character customization and the weapon movement speed multipliers
the lightest build currently is medium/big armor, normal backpack and a base lsw
that's still pretty slow

[sly crest]

Doesn't Support have access to Normal armor or only Heavy?

[ebon ether]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1170730270492721253/1174099192059281438/Screenshot_20231114_223014_Discord.jpg?ex=65665c15&is=6553e715&hm=8d7133a8758dc0931c65a6dedccdd873a5f1f0d831211db5b8ff2ebc19c77bd3&

[buoyant wren]

I was actually about to send that lamo

[sly crest]

Cuz supports problem is that it's primary weapons have low speed mults

[dry kelp]

I've tried it, it still feels slow. I thought it might be because of the gadhets up until recently till I tried light engineer which can carry same gadgets but be faster than the lightest medic

[buoyant wren]

It's the weapons

The weapons have very bad running speed

[sly crest]

Primary, Secondary, Helmet, Body armor and back pack

Divide by 5 and you get your movement speed

Though with new system im not sure if it's instead of primary and secondary it's just what you hold in your hand

[dry kelp]

Perhaps some AR like IAR on support might help

adding movement speed while adding a new gun

[ebon ether]

and def not his maps 💀
only really good ones imo are 254 player old eduardovo conq and maybe salhan, frugis and lonovo if they don't play out like shit

[sly crest]

Thats the "light" support weappons

[buoyant wren]

Old Namak my beloved 😭

Such a good map

[ebon ether]

i despise that shit

[buoyant wren]

That's a very hot take 💀

But that's your opinion

[humble girder]

Don't forget weapon, they affect your move speed

[ebon ether]

shut

[sly crest]

"Primary, Secondary, Helmet, Body armor and back pack"

[dry kelp]

add two sniping position on vast empty land ✅
Add cover in between ✅
Give horrible filter to foliage ✅
Call it a masterpiece ✅

[buoyant wren]

I love sniping in every game, especially BF, but this game is making me rethink that

There's just no skill to it

[ebon ether]

assistan, sandy cuntset, eduar 🤮, assra...

[buoyant wren]

Imagine Sandy is reworked to be even larger than what it is

[dry kelp]

😷

[sly crest]

Tbh i have kind of argued myself into a hole, but my problem with current movement that it's way too effective for how stupidly easy it is. I'm also kind of on blu's side that adding higher skill movement should be added, but in order for those high skill movements to be added you need inertia to balance movement as a whole

Imagine sliding + Bhopping and no inertia 💀

[ebon ether]

turbo overkill but lgbtq+

[buoyant wren]

If inertia was added then there needs to be other methods of movement based on actual skill

[sly crest]

💀

[buoyant wren]

Yea, that's Mia

[sly crest]

Not even Kata goes as far as to comment on my steam

[ebon ether]

imagine if the objectives weren't all in one lane but three with a lot of vehicles and...
that's just old eduardovo but sandy (the layout is good wtf is vil smoking)

[ebon ether]

wait i can grind out every mechanic and technique to moving like a crackhead then 👀

[buoyant wren]

Yes, that would be fair technically since you actually put effort into it

Compared to press shift and move the mouse

[ebon ether]

average medic main who says support is op

[ebon ether]

lmfao

[sly crest]

Also another problem with movement being meta, it makes every match the same

There's no tactical requirement to make a match interesting outside of making conq TDM

[buoyant wren]

Ngl that's gonna happen with anything you do, people are going to find and practice the best movement techniques to get the edge in a gunfight

[sly crest]

Ig? But every match is just TDM no matter the gamemode, which makes the game STALE

[buoyant wren]

Yea

People like that I guess

Not saying it's healthy tho

[sly crest]

They just get tired

They don't like, they just get bored

[humble girder]

I'm with Star on this, it does get a bit stale

[ebon ether]

yeah

[humble girder]

Only the giga-sweats and gamer dads have stuck around

[buoyant wren]

Don't get me wrong I agree, but let's be real is Oki willing to put something like sliding or other types of movement in the game soon ish?

If at all

[sly crest]

Assuming he won't break the game AND go on a vacation

Laggy server incident of 10/2023 😭

Every body about to fly off a ramp or some shit

Crouching launches your ass

[ebon ether]

nuh uh

[buoyant wren]

I'd personally like to see a clean form of a slide like in recent BF, but that will take a good bit of time to make

[sly crest]

Ok gamer dad

[buoyant wren]

At least it's something new to the movement

[frigid shale]

Good morning fellow Inertia thread enjoyers

[buoyant wren]

Aloha

[sly crest]

Hello

On todays agenda

[frigid shale]

Inertia

[ebon ether]

giggidy

[dry kelp]

why would i 💀

[ebon ether]

the mods got them logs blud

[frigid shale]

Kata dosent have my prof signed

He not worthy

[dry kelp]

what prof 😦

not worthy of what

[sly crest]

Add sliding, Add bhopping and other skill based movement.
Crush the effectiveness of parkinsons + running and add lil inertia

[humble girder]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-animals-cats-kittens-gif-8783132

redvcted showing up to a thread

[dry kelp]

Orbital strikes using tungsten rods 💀

[sly crest]

Ask Mia

[dry kelp]

But wdym not even Kata cmonBruh

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/we-do-a-little-trolling-trolling-trolled-troll-wwe-gif-20809728

[buoyant wren]

He means you wouldn't, hopefully, stupe to that level

[ebon ether]

that level... ew

[buoyant wren]

https://tenor.com/view/frog-minecraft-minecon-minecraft-live-minecraft-trailer-gif-26687354

[sly crest]

Hits hard

[buoyant wren]

Hard AF 🗣️🔥

[frigid shale]

Who has the highest steam level

[ebon ether]

i can feel the bass coming inside of me 💯

[ebon ether]

your mom jk

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/smile-good-morning-wednesday-coffee-sparole-gif-15485021

[pallid pilot]

Because not all of them are dicks, that's about what it boils down to

[dry kelp]

😷 I don't know which one was being a dick to you but normally people would avoid being amongst people they dislike

[pallid pilot]

You'd think, but Mia stays in the servers when I see them get transphobic as shit so really who am I to judge

[dry kelp]

I don't know too much about that person except that screenshot earlier

[pallid pilot]

Anyways people like robo/hippo/Danny are cool and I'd rather get to know them and their side than just try to villanize them all

[dry kelp]

Thats actually wholesome

[pallid pilot]

It's a videogame at the end of the day

For every 3 people calling me a shitter 1 would rather just be left alone to play well

[vast glacier]

They are that bad?

[buoyant wren]

👀

[pallid pilot]

About as bad as any other servers meme section

[buoyant wren]

Based af

[vast glacier]

I thought i'am bad but he is worse

[pallid pilot]

She

[dry kelp]

😭 yo I like to meme too but

[vast glacier]

Nah

He

[pallid pilot]

.>

[vast glacier]

Unless he shows legal papers he is guy

[buoyant wren]

Take that up with Mia

[vast glacier]

But this topic is offtopic

[austere sierra]

how has this not been removed yet xD

[sly crest]

Mods don't want to bother with this thread

[austere sierra]

no doubt
complete shitfest 24/7

[vast glacier]

They would

[austere sierra]

doubtful

that gifs been up for 2hr

[vast glacier]

But those cringe gifs is too far

[dry kelp]

The only reason this thread hasn't been nuked is because it serves as entertainment to the devs and occasional copypasta source

[austere sierra]

i mean this is like the 4th to 5th inertia thread
dude knew it was gunna cause shit

[dry kelp]

Yes

[vast glacier]

"So guys as we can see inertia is very controversial, i was looking for middle ground with Inertia. I know it is up to implementation but I have two simple options.

Option A:
Reduce player air strafing.
Decrease ground strafing.
Introduce slight inertia.

Option B
Reduce player air strafing.
Implement slight inertia.

We could add weight variable but that's reserved for hardcore/milsim mode.

Inertia does nothing to parkour, due to map design having very basic parkour so dont worry.

Of course this is all up for Oki to decide and implement at the end of the day."

[austere sierra]

also imagine
you come back to BBR
movement feels limited vs what it is now
you feel like your fighting against it

boom that pushes everyone who used to play away for good
nail in coffin

[vast glacier]

We can lock this post if people are allowed to vote with emojis

[austere sierra]

at that point might as well not even made the thread

actually
there is no point in this thread

[sly crest]

111-79

It's controversial

[dreamy copper]

Well, if people reported it, instead of just posting crap and ignoring it, it would get dealt with faster..

[austere sierra]

its been made 4-5 times
you clearly know it was gunna cause shit
and we already have https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1159035953902534656

[dry kelp]

A mod may not understand

even with different opinions

we don't snitch

[vast glacier]

Well I report them if I see it

[sly crest]

You mean you don't just know when someone breaks the rules 🤯

[dry kelp]

and we hate map design

[austere sierra]

this thread has been useless ever since nedgi started the thing year ago
and all the remake are useless trash that cause shit (you know that since you remade it TWICE)

[dreamy copper]

I'm good, just not that good 😛

[dry kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-mod-gif-23911417

[vast glacier]

@dreamy copper people are allowed to vote after locking this thread?

[dry kelp]

epic embed fail

oh it went through

fuck discord

[dreamy copper]

They can yes

[austere sierra]

what would be the point of this thread then?

[sly crest]

Honestly, I kinda wanna make a seperate thread with new movement at the cost of stupid easy current movement

[dry kelp]

would you be knowing where my suggestion for prestige stats went ? I don't see it anymore. Pretty sure nobody broke any rules in there either.

[sly crest]

Sliding and Bhopping was it?

[vast glacier]

Bhoping is diffrent thing

[dry kelp]

Bhopping good

[sly crest]

No longer will dodging work best for parkinsons patients

[vast glacier]

Slideing is cringe

[austere sierra]

vote
have oki see
oh inertia
then half ass inertia to where the game gets negative reviews
pushes all the people who quit before and make them never want to play due to needing to fight against what was movement which wasnt an issue

why yes

fix something that isnt broken

totally a good idea

totally not like squad

totally wont repeat what squad did

[dreamy copper]

No idea

[sly crest]

What about nerfing the current stupidly easy movement AND adding higher skill movement?

[austere sierra]

how about the shooters actually have skill?

[sly crest]

Is it really that big of a crutch?

[dry kelp]

I wouldn't mind that kind of thing, but it might lead to a newbie gatekeep thing

[austere sierra]

i mean
if you cant shoot someone jumping around like a bunny
that is an issue on your end

YOU COULDNT HIT YOUR SHOT

YOU COULDNT KILL HIM

[sly crest]

Is it really that big of a crutch?

[austere sierra]

i mean looking at you

you seem to need alot of crutches

[sly crest]

Play

Stat comparison. NOW

[lament dove]

Stat?

[dry kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-gif-10374658

[austere sierra]

oh lets pull out stats which do absolutely nothing in this fucking comparison xD

maybe realize
your stats might be whats killing the game

[sly crest]

Is it really that big of a crutch?

[austere sierra]

again your the one needing a crutch if you cant shoot someone jumping as a rabbit

[austere sierra]

fuck play BF4 then come back

and what does that show

nothing

that your accuracy is shit?

known lol

oh god your accuracy is worse lol

[lament dove]

[austere sierra]

how you gunna hit that bunny hopping player

hmm?

[sly crest]

9.0 WL?

[lament dove]

yeah

[vast glacier]

Mine is worse

[austere sierra]

how 9.0?

[sly crest]

You playing with a premade or something?

[austere sierra]

squads or more lower playercount gamemode

[dreamy copper]

Spray n pray

[lament dove]

so can i balance weapons? 🥺

[vast glacier]

Sus

[lament dove]

im just too good

[austere sierra]

THIS IS ALL YOU NEED TO DO TO BUNNIES

[dry kelp]

tbh that should work even now

[austere sierra]

it does
helps even more when you hipfire

since when ADS bullets come outta your eyes
hipfire outta the barrel

[dry kelp]

💀 that W/L ratio. Share your tricks

[vast glacier]

@sly crest i gave you my dick pic

[sly crest]

wat😭

[vast glacier]

Do you like ot

[lament dove]

gotta delete that before i get banned 🤫

[austere sierra]

saved!

[vast glacier]

It is saved

[austere sierra]

i assume your a rush player tho?

[lament dove]

byebye 5 years ban 😔

nah

127 and 64

[austere sierra]

WTF?!?!

[sly crest]

Is it really that big of a crutch?

[vast glacier]

Reported you flithy cheater

[austere sierra]

ok thats actually impressive having a 9.0 w/l

[vast glacier]

Sounds impossible

[lament dove]

what lol

[austere sierra]

did you really get that big of an ego when oki called you out in the devcast
aww how cute

[lament dove]

okay i play with +2 other people

and thats it

[austere sierra]

ahh yeah that makes more sense

[vast glacier]

Why you are mad

[dry kelp]

yeah usually when I die while shooting at a dude corkscrewing mid air, its cause I missed a lot. Can't get mad and can't blame him either. What would I expect him to stand there if someone is shooting and he knows how to dodge ? 🤣

[sly crest]

❓

[austere sierra]

IK!!!

skill issue on shooters end always

why yes lets make it easier for the dumbasses who dont even know how to ADS

cuz you need skill to jump not shoot

makes sense

NO

[bright anchor]

literally

[austere sierra]

LIKE HOLY FUCK

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra you are on drugs rn?

[austere sierra]

we should not be nerfing better players due to shit players dying xD

[austere sierra]

no im more tired of seeing this thread every fucking week
you remade it just to cause issues
again this is like the 4th to 5th inertia suggestion
why was it needed
no reason at all
you just wanted to cause issues within the community

[lament dove]

[vast glacier]

Nah I just wanted inertia. You are toxic rn

Calm down

[austere sierra]

no im just calling you out for knowing that this is what it would cause

[vast glacier]

If I was toxic

[sly crest]

Same way as we currently do against the parkinsons patients, AIM.

But there's actual skill involved in doing bunny hops

[vast glacier]

But i'am not

[austere sierra]

bunnie hops depends
CSGO yes
BBR no
COD4 yes
BBR no

with CS you need to land at a specific time

[sly crest]

Is it really that big of a crutch?

[austere sierra]

cod4 you need to to strafes within your jump

i mean your needing to nerf movement
so your the one needing a crutch

[sly crest]

I think im doing quite fine

[dry kelp]

🤫 thanks you can delete it now

[lament dove]

okies

i dont really do it tho its quite a waste of time

just try to win every game easier lol

and it helps spm

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra play can we have nice argument?

[sly crest]

I think i do quite fine. But the problem arises when we see that majority of players just want to have fun instead of spending 2 hours a day in an aim trainer just to counter Shift + parkinsons

[austere sierra]

hmm is that skill issue i hear?

[lament dove]

okay, can we return the ak to 33?

[sly crest]

We can observe that majority of players get bored of the simplistic gameplay loop BBR offers, even with multiple gamemodes, they just turn into TDM anyway.

[austere sierra]

i dont use aim trainers
i play maybe 2-6hr a week
and i can still fuck people up who bunny around

i mean if you cant do that
thats an issue on your end

[vast glacier]

No skill issue bullshit in this suggestion thanks

[sly crest]

I don't even own an aim trainer, but i'm refering to the majority of the community who left, because they didn't feel like dealing with BBRs movement bullshit (on top of many other issues)

And by majority I mean casual

[austere sierra]

they left due to fucking lean spam nerf ahahahah

not movement

they left due to OP vector

holy get off your fucking high horse

[tall rose]

🐴

I'm not that high.

[sly crest]

Refer to the "(on top of many other issues)"

[pallid pilot]

yup

definitely

Players definitely weren't posting about how they were tired of being stomped by 2 people for a whole game

I remember the people posting that lean spam caused them to leave

[austere sierra]

i mean you remember how broken that was right
lean spam, vector
everything during that time

people didnt care about lean spam

[pallid pilot]

choosing to forget that movement was up there in those convos is a choice

[austere sierra]

they cared about vector

[sly crest]

At the time

[austere sierra]

all the other issues there were
movement was never brought up besides the few crying about lean spam (which still did nothing for both users tbh)

nerf or unnerf lean spam
same shit different day

[sly crest]

If lean spamming really didn't give an advantage, then the nerf shouldn't bother you

[pallid pilot]

I love assumptions

[austere sierra]

it doesnt lol

[pallid pilot]

just like I can assume that movement players are a loud as fuck minority

[austere sierra]

im just saying alot of people left during that time

[vast glacier]

@austere sierra why you are behave like nedgi

[austere sierra]

now if you wanna throw words in my mouth go ahead
but youve already shown the ego you have

[frank wren]

There’s no shot casuals left because of a lean spam nerf.

[austere sierra]

and if you wanna bring back players who left
alot like the movement
so you start to restrict it
the people who come back will be like
what the fuck is this janky shit
then leave for good never returning

[pallid pilot]

and if we don't

[austere sierra]

nail in coffin

[pallid pilot]

sounds good to me

[austere sierra]

if inertia gets added
this game will die

[pallid pilot]

keep the toxics out

I'll take it as a win

[sly crest]

Majority of who stayed during the first 2 months weren't tryhards or sweats

They were casuals that were tired of the bs they experienced when playing the game

BS includes a lot of things balance, bugs etc.

[austere sierra]

i mean the first negative review just talks about the ban system

[sly crest]

Included in the "etc" of my previous message

[pallid pilot]

":As much as Id like to say i like the game, combat is way too fast for casual players."

here's a negative review

recently posted

[austere sierra]

hm yea i see that one

but

did you actually read it

As much as Id like to say i like the game, combat is way too fast for casual players. ttk is less than 0.3ms in most situations, and if you are casual and have a high ttk you stand little to no chance against LRC players with snipers in the back of the map or really any form of combat. Phantom Forces, Battlefield 4, or any other FPS would be better as BattleBit has lost its luster. Unless you buy it on sale, its not worth 15USD

talking about TTK

not movement xD

[pallid pilot]

"This game consists literally out of sweaty kids running around abusing movement glitches and killing you in 0.5 seconds. If you wanted something like Battlefield don't look here - it's COD with adhs kids. Super Fast movement (as medic which everybody uses), extreme short ttk with smgs (which also everybody uses) and absolutely no tactical play whatsoever."

we can match this toe to toe

"Game is extremely sweaty now and you cant play causally"

"all the things people say about the game being better than most triple-a games is true.however,if you aren't a non-stop fps player you will most of the time either be sniped across the map by a player who plays this game more than sleeps,or get offended by a bunch of clan members. The game is really well done, but some of the community is really bad."

[austere sierra]

im seeing more negative reviews about servers over actual movement/players xD

or faceit

[pallid pilot]

And I'm seeing more negative reviews over movement than any that have to do with recent nerfs or changes

Face it is dead, Map voting has always been a mess, and privacy stuff is w/e

[vast glacier]

But no there is no need for movement change. You are right @austere sierra

[pallid pilot]

"from the very early stages this game has been very fun.

But now the meta is established and all the sweatlords play the exact same loadout.

Movement players and smgs dominat, which is anoying to play against.

Balance decisions have been questionable."

Sweats are a common complaint

it's not movement

[austere sierra]

hmm imagine

[pallid pilot]

you're right on that

[austere sierra]

sweats not movement

[pallid pilot]

so, take the tools from sweats

make them less of a presence

[austere sierra]

i mean
these are the same people who would pay to get level unlock
you understand that right

[pallid pilot]

anything that brings the boards closer, seems to be much better in improving player sentiment

[shell delta]

Movement is fun, shouldn't be changed imo 👍

[pallid pilot]

Thanks play, real eye opener

[ebon ether]

play coming up with the worst takes possible about movement #69

[shell delta]

There already is an option to disable airstrafing in community servers, wonder why nobody did it yet

[austere sierra]

hmm
ive brought that up too

[sly crest]

What servers even asked for that or used it?

[shell delta]

It was alr in the game

[austere sierra]

the ones that used it
died within a week

[sly crest]

Such as?

[grave brook]

Noobs still complaining about smgs cant believe this shit

[pallid pilot]

wonder why community servers are dead

[ebon ether]

that was NO airstrafing, not nerfed spinning to dodge bullets lmao

[sly crest]

I only know they had option to use it, but i still haven't heard of a single server that has used it

[austere sierra]

NOW WERE MOVING THE GOAL POSTS??!?!

[sly crest]

No funny images, serious discussion (very serious)

[austere sierra]

ahahahahaha

[pallid pilot]

are you fucking stupid

[austere sierra]

yeah you guys got an ego so far up your ass you cant even see the light of day

[sly crest]

❓

[pallid pilot]

the thread title is literally "a little inertia"

where does it say remove airstrafing completely and become bf4

[shell delta]

Movement should be skill based, only option is to make it harder but removing it wouldn't be fun at all.

[austere sierra]

just like shooting

oh wait

it already does require skill to hit certain jumps

[ebon ether]

we aren't, if you read anything before then you surely would've noticed that no one wants the "no airstrafing" option to be in the base game
come to think of it, inb4 you came in here people actually had a civil conversation

[shell delta]

If people can't handle others stafing around in order to dodge bullets and then complain about it, sorry but that's a skill issue in my opinion

[vast glacier]

Are you sure

[sly crest]

Aiming is skill, but to counter Aiming you should have to use skill

Current movement doesn't require skill to counter aiming

[austere sierra]

HARDCORE

did you even read

holy shit

[vast glacier]

Yes

[austere sierra]

and thats a maybe

[ebon ether]

did you?

[austere sierra]

a fucking maybe xD

[pallid pilot]

@sly crest read dms instead of arguing for actual days

[sly crest]

It's such a pain in the ass though 😭

[pallid pilot]

you want smthn done or not

[sly crest]

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-gif-20984267

[thorn pelican]

If you read it, it says Hardcore "maybe" will have more restricted movement. The other statement is "whole my pre-designed parkour" which can be interpreted as the original idea for parkour in general was to include inertia. Clearly, English isn't the first language. It even states "ability to change direction in air and dodge bullets" is planned to be changed.

[austere sierra]

for hardcore!

[thorn pelican]

What I take away is that inertia will be added and hardcore might have more restrictions in hardcore.

[vast glacier]

@thorn pelican hello new guy

[thorn pelican]

Bros grasping trying to keep his 90's in the game

[thorn pelican]

Hi

[austere sierra]

again hes talking about hardcore lol

[pallid pilot]

you want an answer from the guy himself?

we can ping him

I'm sure he'd love to clarify more just like he clarified your "routes" weren't intended

[sly crest]

Consequences will follow

[shell delta]

heated convo ngl
ya'll should go outside and take a deep breath

[thorn pelican]

He said hardcore maybe will have more restrictions, he literally said that inertia is planned as that was planned from the beginning.

[pallid pilot]

it always does bc playstyle is so damn divisive

that's what happens when you create a sweat friendly game and advertise it as a casual tactical shooter

[thorn pelican]

Language barrier as it's not his first language

[austere sierra]

https://i.imgur.com/hwQqD12.png

[austere sierra]

yes in HARDCORE
we are playing casual right now

[thorn pelican]

Bros not even reading what I said

[sly crest]

"My opinion doesn't reflect the team"

[pallid pilot]

hey check this shit out
@rare knoll do you think players should be able to dodge bullets in casual?

I'll take my mute/ban whatever with grace

[vast glacier]

Oh no

[pallid pilot]

just tired of beating around the bush

[dry kelp]

@pallid pilot yo wtf, he'll read my slander too

[pallid pilot]

I'm pretty sure he knows

they read chat more than you think

I also know they don't usually visit these threads bc it's always a dumpsterfire

[dry kelp]

anyways reading some of the reviews here, I don't get them - they are upset about sweats right ? but at the same time they are saying the same meta is easy to follow qnd everybody does it ? So why does it stop them ?

[dry kelp]

specially since this one was created for entertainment

[pallid pilot]

Stale meta isn't a fun meta

Vector meta was easy to use, that didn't make it fun to use or fun to play against

[dry kelp]

I didn't have vector so I wouldn't understand how powerful it was

[pallid pilot]

movement does have the fun to use part, but to half the group

to another half it's easy to use but not fun to use

[proper kindle]

cheap techniques that give advantage incentivizes people to play in a way that isn't fun for them, it becomes do this or be at a disadvantage of people who do.

[pallid pilot]

Like, I can use the movement, I have used the movement, but it feels kinda stupid to use it

idk if that makes sense

[dry kelp]

yes but reading some of them felt like they were upset about a skill gap but at the same time they said that skill gap is easy to bridge

[pallid pilot]

And sure I can avoid using it but that's with the knowledge that I can be doing better

[dry kelp]

and Idk, skill gaps will be there in any game or meta. Idk, if it will stop someone from complaining.

[shell delta]

I think there are bigger issues than airstrafing right now guys...

[pallid pilot]

my guess is because it's just so frequent. the ratio of players that are going to put in the time to learn the skill is way higher than skills like learning to use grenades in halo

[worn nebula]

fr fr

[austere sierra]

thank you jukebox

[shell delta]

Jukebox my man 💪

[austere sierra]

my man

[dry kelp]

Jukebox my softboi

😳

[austere sierra]

softthighboi

[pallid pilot]

so that skill gap is way more apparent than games that other people have listed here, like BF4, or CoD or any other game

[worn nebula]

[pallid pilot]

you don't see ultra sweat super strat stuff that completely invalidates you nearly as much

LIke imagine if everyone was a noscoper

CoD would be ass

[sly crest]

Please refrain from deflecting off the topic👍

[pallid pilot]

you need a better ratio of average players to run into

[sly crest]

Speed and dodging have been meta since playtest era.

[shell delta]

I mean there are many off topic comments here, not the only one

[pallid pilot]

with 127v127 or other high playercount games you aren't supposed to be able to reach a high skill ceiling

at least

[fierce fox]

Nah, making sure that 1 recon isn’t trying to tf2 surf more important

[sly crest]

I'm blind😎

[pallid pilot]

that's my interpretation

you don't play a high playercount game to feel like a video game protagonist

[dry kelp]

Winchestor was typing but then he stopped

[dry kelp]

Can't completely agree with that, some folks like to frag solo, some like to chill with mates in vc

[pallid pilot]

this part seems sensible, which is why I bring up, that the movement doesn't make sense for this game

[sly crest]

The game has seen no other meta than running around like an ADHD toddler high on sugar.

Casuals got tired and left

[dry kelp]

Again I don't think that was the only reason 🤫

you know what I mean by that

[pallid pilot]

if you wanna frag solo it just seems better suited to games like the finals or CoD

games that are meant to show off that sort of stuff

[thorn pelican]

Thats true, it's just going to kill the game more without changes to change things away from that.

[ebon ether]

ofc not but it was a big one for sure

[dry kelp]

but why should someone do that if they like it here

thats like showing them the door

[pallid pilot]

because that one person affects the other 256 enough for them to be in suggestions voting for intertia or on reddit talking about it

It's not a sweat's fault they play well

but it is the game's fault to not address it

[sly crest]

Of course there are more issues but movement meta one of the million problems with the game

[pallid pilot]

And we can disagree there, but playercounts and the kind of community we have now kind of reflect that

[ebon ether]

it being an unskilled yet stupidly effective mechanic aye?

[dry kelp]

Yeah if there's mechanism that allows you to use it for stuff, people will use it

[pallid pilot]

and I don't blame anyone like Sho for using it

[dry kelp]

who is sho

[pallid pilot]

Defending it is a diff story but everyone has their own opinions

[pallid pilot]

old eth member

however I do blame oki for calling this a tactical shooter and then leaving movement in

it just led on two groups expecting diff things

[ebon ether]

[sly crest]

LIES

[fierce fox]

Yeah that part I agree makes zero sense. Movement or not I think most people wouldn’t consider bunny hoping around like the Looney Tunes Rabbit “tactical”

[pallid pilot]

better put if this game was supposed to be a casual movement shooter like the finals, it should've been advertised and balanced as such

[fierce fox]

That seems more akin to games like CoD (to give the obvious example)

[pallid pilot]

@dry kelp you see where I'm getting at?

[ebon ether]

it isn't even fucking bhop it's just spinning your mouse while in the air

[pallid pilot]

It's not that the game isn't, it's what the game was/is conceptually

a game made for fragging doesn't have magazine combnining

[ebon ether]

the fraggers just yeet the mags anyways because they can't refill them on medic

[fierce fox]

Regardless, the point still stands. I don’t think it makes sense to say it’s “tactical” then you see a clip of someone running around aimlessly

Which oki definitely missed the mark on, imo

[ebon ether]

yeah...

[dry kelp]

@pallid pilot oh so wrong audience considering current playstyle or meta

[pallid pilot]

pretty much

It's gonna sound like I want the sweats to leave bc they're sweats

but it's more so that I want to see the playerbase that the game was looking for

If oki wanted to keep with the sweat audience that's fine, but he'd be better off going for a full rebrand and diff priorities than "grenade indicator"

I'm far from neutral on what side I hope he chooses but I am neutral in wanting him to make a choice that isn't "mixed"\

[frank wren]

That’s well said.

[ebon ether]

even if he chooses the sweats the movement should be skill based, having it be this shallow but effective is just bad design

[dry kelp]

so far I don't think he has chosen sweats over casuals, just not addressed your issues sooner

in fact changes like thw smg ranges could be considered casual friendly

other than that, his focus was on gamemode playerbase and what not

[pallid pilot]

The timing is major issue in itself

He keeps putting it off

[sly crest]

Everything comes so late

[dry kelp]

I have said it to Sno and Larry before as well - game needs more replayability value as well, so people find it worth staying or returning to

[pallid pilot]

SMG changes were supposed to be sweat friendly by not adding bloom instead

Which is what was going to happen originally btw

[sly crest]

Vector nerf was like 2-3 months after release

[dry kelp]

💀 Bloom or no bloom, some folks can't be satisfied with either.

You'd be surprised to see how often people rage when you kill them up close where smgs are supposed to excel.

[lament dove]

What’s in the next update

[unborn kiln]

Mornin

[pallid pilot]

And they haven't been nerfed despite those calls

[dry kelp]

But ranges are nerfed

which nerf are you referring to ?

[pallid pilot]

Any nerfs to the actual weapon like damage or movespeed

The SMG identity wasn't touchdd

[dry kelp]

Oh you mean on time or right now ?

like it needs to be reviewed again or wasn't reviewed on time ?

[pallid pilot]

I think I'm lost

[dry kelp]

💀 Sorry excuse me, I want to know whether you're saying smgs were not nerfed on time or do they need more nerfs ?

[pallid pilot]

Vector wasn't nerfed on time, but I'm trying to say that SMG nerfs correctly didn't nerf their identity

And instead focused on it

[sly monolith]

Why would you nerf their identity

Tf does that even mean

[pallid pilot]

Bc people wanted smgs to have recoil and bloom

That misses the point

[dry kelp]

The good ones do have recoil, as much as some of the ARs

but no bloom

[pallid pilot]

If the game truly focused on casuals it would've made choices that break guns

[dry kelp]

Well dmrs and input buffer fix made it easier to two tap people

[sly monolith]

who is people? I ain't ever heard anybody say they want that

[dry kelp]

mk20 is a beginner dmr with so much value rn

[pallid pilot]

They're out there, in threads asking for groza nerfs for example

[sly monolith]

Groza nerf 💀😭

[pallid pilot]

the smg thread also had fun people

[dry kelp]

Groza nerf ? 😵‍💫

[sly monolith]

That's why you don't listen to people like that

They stupid as fuck

[pallid pilot]

for every change you do see, there's tons that weren't made is my point

[dry kelp]

💀 he was being polite tho

[pallid pilot]

I mean I'm more likely to listen to them when they talk about DMRS being overtuned than the guy saying "this is a shitter's gun and fucking ruins the game"

so yea, them being polite isn't something to diss

I mean why make changes for a community that doesn't like you

and that goes for things like playtest era too

by extension why would players want to be in a community that constantly calls them shitters and slurs

[dry kelp]

because it doesn't apply to all I guess

you explained it sometime ago when I asked about the server

[sly crest]

Vector nerf was like 2-3 months after release

[pallid pilot]

Yea, there's people that are quiet, but that kinda extends the issue. If they're quiet, you're not going to see them in chat or in threads speaking their mind

it's a weird mix where you need to be loud but not brash ig

idk I'm talking a bit out my ass at this rate

[sly monolith]

That's because at release progression took forever so no one had vector unlocked

Same thing happened with fal

[hearty iron]

whoever on the balance team that’s making these shitty fucking decisions should be fired asap

[sly monolith]

oxygen

[sly crest]

Who?

[sly monolith]

there was some flyace guy on it too

[unborn kiln]

Might as well ask, which balance decisions?

[hearty iron]

wait till attachments get reworked again, wait till guns get reworked again, and then movement gone

how much yall wanna put on it

[unborn kiln]

Where you getting that from?

[hearty iron]

from history..?

[sly monolith]

my left nut

[lament dove]

[unborn kiln]

Which history?

[hearty iron]

🤦‍♂️

[unborn kiln]

what did the weapon attachments do to nerf movement?

[lament dove]

💀

[sly monolith]

are you guys sped

[pallid pilot]

you had your chance

[hearty iron]

college happened

[pallid pilot]

Understandable

[vast glacier]

@hearty iron can we stop arguing

[hearty iron]

also got the point where i couldn’t be bothered to pitch in input

[dry kelp]

@vast glacier didn't you start this thread for arguments ? 🤣

[sly crest]

Sounds like laziness smh

[hearty iron]

haha

the games going to shit congrats

[vast glacier]

Nah I wanted inertia

[hearty iron]

good work

[lament dove]

[vast glacier]

Ok

[dry kelp]

💀 is that why phyrok didn't tak it seriously when you asked him for his opinion

[pallid pilot]

be real, the input you put in didn't save the game either, this was inevitable no matter what a small group said

[sly crest]

Ok, same time next week? Cuz you keep saying that every other week, move on lmao

[ebon ether]

why tho? certainly not because balancing of funked up guns right? if that's what you're trying to say

[vast glacier]

[pallid pilot]

Sho put it best man, everything took too long, this included

[sly monolith]

the game went to shit when they refused to add a sex dlc

[dry kelp]

I don't think they are completely balanced tho. Currently they tip on one side.

[unborn kiln]

who is Sho?

[pallid pilot]

the fact that we're still having this convo 5 months later isn't the players fault

[sharp portal]

Something about inertia

[hearty iron]

agreed

took too long

[ebon ether]

which side?

[hearty iron]

way too long

[sharp portal]

1 developer moment

[dry kelp]

dmr side

[ebon ether]

nah man

[hearty iron]

money = more dev

[pallid pilot]

we can blame players or community or whatever we want but it was never going to plug the dam

[sly crest]

Decimal really putting those college brains into over drive with these observations

[pallid pilot]

once people got a feel that game was staying as is for foreseeable future it sealed its fate

[hearty iron]

keep digging ur noes into ur attachments rework v2 excel sheet

[pallid pilot]

I mean medic is still jsut there

[sharp portal]

Can’t work on codebase with other people (I want the biggest slice of the pie )

[pallid pilot]

no other class buffs

no armor rework