Inertia

[wise canyon]

get out of these posts

[sly crest]

I'm pretty confident I can have opinions on a game that's most impactful changes were balance changes

[vast glacier]

Hey guys

[ebon ether]

this "skill issue" bs is so braindead holy shit xD

[vast glacier]

Who is this guy and what is his opinion?

[sly crest]

I want BF4 turning inertia

Fuck your full momentum 180 degree turns

[tepid furnace]

Way more fun with full control tbh

[vast glacier]

If you are playing quake or unreal tournament

[tepid furnace]

Yeah cause those are fun games

[vast glacier]

They are diffrent. Because those games are arena shooters

[tepid furnace]

Having this blend of different styles makes the game feel more unique and interesting

[celest perch]

need a stamina system too

[sly crest]

💀

[vast glacier]

No

[tepid furnace]

true sprint for longer than 3s your pc is ratted

[sly crest]

Get out of here with that mil sim bs

You can have it in hardcore if you want

[icy bridge]

quake and unreal movement are not even close to bbr movement

[tepid furnace]

try not to fall for most obvious bait cant complete impossible challenge almost died

[sly crest]

Listen here buddy

[icy bridge]

true. Its kinda crazy that someone can just run in a straight line and bandage to avoid death when im literally shooting at them

so unrealistic

[vast glacier]

Thats why we need inertia

[icy bridge]

try not to fall for most obvious bait cant complete impossible challenge almost died

[tepid furnace]

erm

[dry kelp]

Okay since you shared a BF4 clip, let me put it this way - BF4 has inertia. Almost a majority of the good players zuzu strafe in that game. Inertia does not stop them and neither did the devs add anything to "fix" it. The community also did not make noise about it.

[sly crest]

BF4 had inertia from the start, so there was no need to fix it

There was no problem

To complain about or point out

[dry kelp]

Yes it was there from the beginning but did it stop players from using zuzu strafing ?

[sly crest]

you mean the jump where your player model literally breaks?

[hard sigil]

skill based technique

[sly crest]

A technique where you jump and don't move?

[hard sigil]

it’s sweaty

[sly crest]

It's a glitch?

[hard sigil]

i think dropshot should be nerfed into the ground like leanspam

[dry kelp]

zigzag strafing or 'bunny hopping'

you can literally dive, get kills, throw some supplies and dive back to cover in BF4

[sly crest]

Running in a zig zag and Spamming jump?

I played BF casually

I didn't do any funky movement

Just had fun

[dry kelp]

Sort of but it accelerates movement in some way, idk. You'll see it's more common now in that game.

[versed crow]

https://youtu.be/u2qSOwceSfc?si=z63s07f0MN5W91cb&t=10

lmao

[dry kelp]

^ 🤣

thanks soviet

[wise canyon]

ty for the great content soviet

lmfao

[dry kelp]

@proper kindle ^ see that clip lil bitch

[sly crest]

They sure look like they are having fun 💀

[wise canyon]

yeah rookiie is the one having fun

peoples reactions to you being better than them and cope'ing is probably the best feeling

love getting multiple exploiting reports a day for my movement

[dry kelp]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-communism-gif-19427247

@wise canyon He wants to secure the means of fun for everyone

[dry kelp]

Also he kept linking Bf4 clips about inertia but as you can see inertia did not fix his problem of movement mechanics in that game. So his point is moot.

[wise canyon]

Its so funny how people in this chat really just trying to causalize everything, you see this same bs with every game thats somewhat competitive.

[dry kelp]

well he did mention he was a casual bf4 player

[frank wren]

Jesus

[dry kelp]

@frank wren jussa meme gif

[icy bridge]

Another reason bbr and bf should have different movement is because of ttk. A higher ttk makes dodging more effective, so bf has to balance it out by nerfing movement, bbr does not have the same problem

[sly crest]

Broken player models aint much of a "movement mechanic" and more of a bug that dice couldn't be bothered to fix 💀

[frank wren]

I don’t have an opinion on adding inertia, it could be done well without feeling sluggish, but it would be super nice to have animations cleaned up. Things like prone to sprint and vaulting.

[versed crow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRrW8Jx2TKc you guys remember this xd

[frank wren]

If only BBR leans went that wide 😭

[versed crow]

imagine

[wise canyon]

remember they want this movement btw, but their aim would still be like this

[dry kelp]

zigzag strafing and bunny hopping is not a movement mechanic but they are broken player models ?

[wise canyon]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-24582703

[sly crest]

ZouZou thing

[dry kelp]

same thing different terms

[sly crest]

Jump, turn, player model clips into ground?

[dry kelp]

😵‍💫

oh boy

so you are saying its an exploit of a broken player model or something?

[sly crest]

Like i honestly dont know what bf4 movement mechanics you are talking about, cuz i never looked into it any movement stuff back then

Bunny hop being essentially a long jump?

I dont know what you are reffering to with zig zag strafing if it isnt just running in a zig zag pattern to avoid a sniper

[dry kelp]

😁 My point is that game already had inertia but people still use "crazy" movement mechanics. Inertia does not/did not at any point stop those players from doing those things

[dry kelp]

watch this briefly

[sly crest]

Bunny hopping just looks broken?

Like the player model is stuck in croutch

[wise canyon]

its not

[ebon ether]

when i'm seeing that correctly the shooter only had a bolt action
yet still, the movement shown there is very much accountable for unlike bbrs movement (in bbr you also move at 35+km/h but that's probably equally irrelevant to you)

[wise canyon]

that is an example of a bad player

all you have to do is aim center mass

sighted incorrectly as well because its partly staged

[sly crest]

Its not? But it seems like while bunny hopping the dude is half the height?

[ebon ether]

a 2sk bolt action does make things more difficult don't you think?

[wise canyon]

bolt action to some degree yes, any extra movement in the scope would

stright pulls tho

If you wanna see something truely cursed try using the 69 irons with bolt E

ur not hitting shit LMFAO

[ebon ether]

i mean, i get that the guy could've killed the dude
but we are talking different dimensions here, 3 in fact, first one being the movement in that game is a lot more polished and thus easier to predict
secondly the weapons are harder to use than in bbr and lastly the range this all takes place makes dodging easier/shooting more difficult
so essentially, even tho the movement is a lot easier to account for when shooting, the range and type of weapons being used make it a lot more difficult to hit follow up shots/a lot easier to dodge
meanwhile in bbr you have easier to use weapons, easier ranges to shoot with these weapons/more difficult to dodge (if air strafing didn't do the spinning stuff) and yet even tho it should be more difficult to dodge in bbr it isn't due to the full control over movement in the air
tldr; the air mobility in bbr makes dodging too easy, i would be cool with it if there was actual tech behind this stuff but there isn't, it's just a bit of mouse shoving or severe parkinsons (a (bad) joke)

[dry kelp]

But your initial argument was that the mechanism itself is broken. Now you're saying it looks broken.
It is visually bothering in BF4 even more where the graphics are higher. Atleast bbr can excuse because of its low poly nature.

Your reason for inertia seemed to be address the movement issue right ? But as you can see even with inertia in BF4, mechanisms like that exist.

[wise canyon]

but what if the other player was moving

[ebon ether]

what does that have to do with anything i stated?

[dry kelp]

Players use bunny hopping to increase movement speed and/or maintain momentum while jumping, not to reduce height or whatever you're understanding.

Also BF4 has airstrafing 💀

[buoyant wren]

[frigid shale]

I’m convinced @ebon ether is the beneficiary of a severe skill issue

[buoyant wren]

This post should be locked ngl, it's just the same argument over and over with nothing being settled between both parties

[unborn kiln]

Who said make tarkov level inertia?

(fight has now been reset on their end)

[tame oriole]

💀

[tame oriole]

welcome to the club

[unborn kiln]

So I have played D2, it is predictable, CSGO doesn't exist anymore but CS2 is fairly predictable in my opinion and I can't speak on GTA or Apex (Haven't played/played enough ; but from what I played of apex it was decently predictable,but this could change/such)

anyhow

I feel adding some in air inertia would not be a bad addition

still allows you to air strafe some, but not do a 180/360(up for debate here) in a single even ground jump

[tame oriole]

no 180 in midair good way to get players back https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1170464458913628160.webp?size=48&name=thumbsup~1&quality=lossless

[grave brook]

Removing a fun mechanic in the game is a must to bring players back, also bigger maps everyone enjoys running for 5 minutes to get sniped and run again

[unborn kiln]

suppose fun is a dependent question

is it fun on both sides?

is it fun only on one?

[vast glacier]

Sometimes we have new thing about inertia

But rn looking this thread will be stupid

[buoyant wren]

It's a never ending cycle

[vast glacier]

Are you sure

[buoyant wren]

Very

[versed crow]

Sisyphus

https://tenor.com/view/frog-jump-frog-jump-climbing-sisyphus-gif-5925155117487576489

[wise canyon]

ill continue to fight against any change like this and argue and debate everyone with similar opinions to it every time it pops up.

[icy bridge]

His point is that tarkov's change to slower movement caused a drop in player count

[unborn kiln]

Pretty sure the vector nerf caused a drop of some kind in player count

[wise canyon]

lean + vector

[unborn kiln]

But I would say a touch of in air only inertia would help the game in the long run

[icy bridge]

i dont think that pissing off the hardcore playerbase of the game to appease casuals is good in the long run lmao

[unborn kiln]

I am unsure on it would annoy all of them

[zealous sinew]

the fact that this was not made by nedgi suprises me holy shit

[hearty iron]

wdym BS 😭 i show live examples

[zealous sinew]

cause he said it was BS so that means its BS because hes the best

[hearty iron]

part of the reason why the game's movement feels super nice and easy to learn

is because there is NO interia

Its funny because a couple months ago an intertia post would be automatically disliked by the entire comm i mean like not a single like on the post

everyone that enjoyed the game for what it was has just left now

moved on

[zealous sinew]

on 2 accounts, milsim dads taken over

all those players well over 400hrs too playtest and EA

[clear hinge]

Mia not backer 💀

[zealous sinew]

cause ive left and rejoined this server 18 times

[icy bridge]

He means that those things shouldnt be in the game

not that the vid is bs

[clear hinge]

😭

[zealous sinew]

i join back to keep tabs on how the game is still rapidly declining and how the battledads have taken over

[clear hinge]

[low lake]

eh I think theres still a good balance of battledads and your avg roblox player

once milsim gets added I'm sure everyone will go to their respected modes they would like to main

[sly crest]

Mil sim probably going to take years to come at the current update pace 💀

[ebon ether]

skill issue feels like a last resort "argument" at this point ngl

[clear hinge]

Skill issue

[lament dove]

"show stats"

[humble girder]

Someone new playing this game's first experience is probably going to be getting run down by a pirouetting SMG medic in a situation where in all honesty he should have them dead to rights, and they're going to uninstall and stop playing the game. Same thing happened to other games in the past where there was a single meta that wasn't newbie friendly and the current dwindling population of the server acted as shitty gatekeepers.

This of course is very very much not the only issue, but it is a contributing factor. The movement mechanics are easy to learn and easy to master but overall pretty low-skill and also heavily biased towards faster classes (try spinning while carrying an M100, doesn't work)

[icy bridge]

huh

[raw violet]

This thread has been stupid since it’s inception

[dry kelp]

I think we discussed all this already yesterday in detail about mechanics.

Let me dumb it down for you a little bit.

Right now even newbies can airstrafe easily depending on their loadouts.

When and if you add inertia, it will add variables like momentum and acceleration. To counter this higher skilled players will use other mechanisms like bunny hopping.

Newer players or casuals won't be able to use these mechanics as easily as airstrafing.

So it doesn't really deal with your problem with movement and creates a wider skill gap.

[raw violet]

Ok hot take fuck inertia, just break us out of sprint on certain conditions.

Turning more than 90 degrees rapidly? Repress sprint.
Using a bandage? No sprinting for you bucko.

Plus it would actually add more of a mechanical component to the strat that I dub “going fucking silly”

[dry kelp]

Also, in any pvp game, there will always be a skill gap. Someone better than you and someone worse than you will be there always.
Lighter classes run fast, as they should ? They sacrifice durability and heavier gagdets like trophies for that. Its purely the choice of the player for choosing a setup. You cannot have all the heavy gadgets and expect to zoom across open fields. For the same reason engi class may need to be reviewed.

[humble girder]

That's a very shallow take but ok, I'm not going to argue the point if it's already been hashed out.

[dry kelp]

How is that shallow ?

[humble girder]

It's basing the argument that the current movement mechanics impact all classes equally and that trade-offs are balanced. This isn't the case but the details of which have already been posted dozens of times in this thread, so I won't rehash them.

[sly crest]

Bandaging, no sprinting
Healing, no sprinting
Reloading, no sprinting

No running in the halls 🗣️

[humble girder]

You can check up through the thread, but I think what the majority of people are asking for is the lightest touch of mechanical changes to prevent the most egregious of movement abuses, knowing full well the limitations of hit-registration in this game due to a combination of the engine and extreme player count.

I don't think anyone's calling for this game to become ARMA, but if they are they should be thoroughly ignored.

[hearty iron]

???????/

[sly crest]

Your ass is not going to cook a 5 course meal to satisfy gordon ramsey while having 0 inertia to your movement.

[unborn kiln]

guessing the steak slid off the plate? @sly crest

[grave brook]

As a 70y support main I complely agree to a nerf, I cant hit smg medics while Im proned pressing m1 on them

[unborn kiln]

(Support main looks at you)

[dry kelp]

Well I haven't mentioned anywhere that movements are same for all classes 🤡
Reqd what I mentioned to you last - lighters classes run fast while heavy has a penalty

📉 reading comprehension skills

[humble girder]

What I mean is, you're ok with the current advantages and penalties as they stand, so you're arguing from the point of the current advantages/penalties being balanced out.

I'm arguing from the point that movement advantages are currently extremely beneficial and movement penalties are overly punitive, not just from a gunplay perspective but from the wider view on the game as a whole.

[humble girder]

Also, read my post harder before you honk at others for reading comprehension

[vast glacier]

@dry kelp @humble girder guys calm down

[dry kelp]

and I explained how inertia, acceleration, deceleration, momentum will dig the hole deeper if you are worried about new players getting killed by higher skilled players who have good movement

[humble girder]

Disagree but ok, I think we have different ideas of what inertia or movement mechanics might look like.

[dry kelp]

🤝

[frigid shale]

@hearty iron said it best

[vast glacier]

Decimal forgot that every nedgi post was disliked because of his delusions.

If he wasnt toxic and made normal takes opinion from community would be diffrent

@hearty iron

[dry kelp]

Who is nedgi ? @vast glacier

[vast glacier]

Legend

@buoyant wren cany ou explain?

[frigid shale]

I am the best player in the game statistically and I have no idea who the fuck nedgi is

So he must be like god

[sly monolith]

add inertia to milsim mode if that ever comes

not normal game

I rarely see people exploit movement tbh and it's just funny it ain't game breaking

[buoyant wren]

Rip Nedgi 🫡

[buoyant wren]

He advocated for hitscan snipers

[frigid shale]

Good for him

[quiet quest]

What am I reading rn

[vast glacier]

What is your opinion? What we can add remove? Because i'am looking for perfect middle ground

Guys in few days i will be editing suggestion to include middle ground.

[quiet quest]

Don’t add inertia and add back old district conquest

[finite blade]

man this post is wild

[vast glacier]

Well I try keep this civil

What is your opinion?

[finite blade]

I dont know, it would havre balncing issues but players just going 10000miles per hours is not good either

[frigid shale]

i mean

you can run fast too

nothing stopping you

[raw violet]

Yeah but it’s a moot point because you’re saying “fuck your own preferred gameplay style, just go with the most free meta available”

I love going fast, I love playing medic in any game, this should be my perfect world but even I find that the movement I have accessible to me is ridiculous

[frigid shale]

Complains about moving slow on a class meant for armour

[raw violet]

The dichotomy there is you lose the best thing in the game, mobility, for the actual worst trade off: armor.

Plus, I’ve got no problem with being slow, if it was worth it, and / or going fast wasn’t so fucking free

[frigid shale]

Ah yess the worst trade off is being able to take more dmg

[raw violet]

Oh please, as if that matters with the TTKs we have

I Play Honeybadger Medic, I’ve rarely lost to a support in a duel where we spot eachother simultaneously

[frigid shale]

You mean the ttk where exo helmet has the same damage stat of heavy AND normal helmet and eats a whole vector mag like im shooting a spudgun

[raw violet]

See now we’re at this shitty point where you likely think that not hitting a fast moving target is a skill issue, whereas I think losing yo a support in exo armor is a skill issue

[frigid shale]

I don’t

[raw violet]

Oh thank god

[frigid shale]

I mean yeah hitting a fast moving target is a skill issue

You gotta be better to do it

That’s just a fact

[raw violet]

And from my experience, exo armor might as well be Papier-Mache because of how actually insignificant it is for anything that isn’t a sniper round

[frigid shale]

Okay

I want you to do an experiment for me

Use the vector

[raw violet]

Oh kinky

[frigid shale]

Any attachments you like

Even the best in slot

Go try and kill supports with a mag to the head

Report back to me when you find out how bad it is

[raw violet]

I’ve sworn to never touch that horror of a firearm but for the sake of science I shall at my next session

[hybrid basalt]

The movement is an interesting mechanic increasing the skill potential of the game, it would be sad to remove it

[frigid shale]

I mean just want you to see where most of us saying exo armor is busted are coming from

[raw violet]

Nevertheless, my main issue with how fast we can go is how free it is. You rarely have to trade off anything or significance at all

[frigid shale]

I have less armor

And no helmet

So yeah there’s a trade off

[raw violet]

Which to me is “oh no, anyway”

[frigid shale]

Also have less dmg range for using smg

[raw violet]

You get deleted in 0.5 seconds most of the time anyway, that 0.1 that you’ll die sooner is marginal a lot best

[frigid shale]

It’s more than .1 second

As I said earlier

[raw violet]

I don’t Know actual numbers, apologies

[frigid shale]

You have the damage of 2 helmets

Heavy and normal

To make exo helmet dmg

You can look at wiki if you don’t believe me

[raw violet]

I believe you, no worries

Still, it’s two different worlds, what good does that ONE TIME armor do me, if it’s just gonna make me easier to hit and even after it’s gone I’m still slow, where as high mobility as the capacity of just not getting hit in the first place to a concerning degree of effectiveness

Inertia isn’t necessarily needed, I don’t believe

But at least making consistent high speed movement with rapid manoeuvres more difficult to pull off

[frigid shale]

I mean you said it, your one time armor saved your life one time

Then you walk slower with your lmg and remaining armor until you spawn again

Rinse and repeat

[raw violet]

Meanwhile, being able to just dodge is a constant thing

[frigid shale]

With no armor

There is a trade off for both

Just happens to be better for medic

[raw violet]

I know but one is definitely more in favour than the other

[frigid shale]

Not really just depends on how you wanna play

More armor = support

More movement speed = medic

Pretty simple to me

[raw violet]

Yeah thag choice is clear, but one is getting shafted (imo) while the other got his cake and gets to eat it too

[frigid shale]

Why would it get nerfed tho

There is nothing wrong with it even to your point

[raw violet]

It just needs to be less consistent

Harder to do

[frigid shale]

Why?

[raw violet]

I can just hold shift and throw my mouse around, 70% dodge rate guaranteed

[frigid shale]

I can go prone on support

And press z

And mow people down with exo armor

Only have to hold down m1

[raw violet]

Well you’re likely skilled and an above average player who knows positioning to not get got by a sniper

The average player might not be so aware

[frigid shale]

Yeah

So that’s my fault?

[raw violet]

Btw appreciate the actual civil convo, a rarity

[raw violet]

No I’m just a bit sceptical about the point that’s all, especially because well, I barely get got by a support

We’re hardly gonna reach a consensus since you believe that exo is good, whereas I think the opposite

[frigid shale]

I rarely die to any class but support

I just don’t see how you can say it’s not good when legitimate numerical statistics say otherwise

Like

The game code shows you this is better

[raw violet]

Math doesn’t much apply to Ingame scenarios tho

Partially sure but

[frigid shale]

What are you on about

The whole game is build off math

From the engine up

To the bullet speed

[raw violet]

Exo has rarely saved a support from me just unloading into his hit box

[frigid shale]

To the movement speed

[raw violet]

I Misworded that then, an excel spreadsheet telling me I have a theoretical best TTK of 0.27 seconds (random number) doesn’t mean I’ll actually kill everyone I see in 0.27 seconds

Is what I meant

I believe the wiki wholeheartedly

[frigid shale]

Yes

[raw violet]

But what I’ve learnt from my own gameplay both as and against support tells me exo sucks ass

[frigid shale]

See the word theoretical

[pallid pilot]

show stats being weaponized by both sides of the skill valley is genuinely such an interesting thing to see

[raw violet]

Well it’s different stats

[frigid shale]

Yes

[raw violet]

The stats we are on about are indisputable

[frigid shale]

And the only stat you’ve brought forward this far

Literally said

Theoretical

Do you read what you post

[humble girder]

Holy balls just go 1v1

[raw violet]

Honestly I don’t half the time I just kinda type what pops into my head, I’m too stupid to consider anything else

[raw violet]

No I like him :(

What were we on about again?

I’m hungry

[sly crest]

Yall can keep your dumb 100% momentum 180 spins, but yall aint healing or bandaging while doing that

[sleek gull]

how to kill a game 101 fr

[raw violet]

Yeah that’s something I agree with

[pallid pilot]

I want to point out the case that health is an equal tradeoff to movement. The truth is it's really not an equal trade, as having less movement and more health doesn't make you last as long as a player with more movement and less health, at least to the same degree. TF2 is a well exaggerated case where you see that slow movement needs to be offset with multiple things, (minigun, HP, healing, etc) to just barely contend with the rest of the game

[frigid shale]

Okay, me personally, I’m playing on bobs where you can just spawn faster than you heal

[sleek gull]

literally a fuck around and find out waiting to happen

[frigid shale]

So I would rather get kills and respawn than take up time to do something that really is insignificant

[raw violet]

But muh points!

[frigid shale]

@sleek gull already got banned for being to good so I can’t even play the game

[humble girder]

what

[raw violet]

Tbh that’s another issue entirely, I find myself in the “I’d rather just die than get rezed” which is oh so weird to me

[sleek gull]

also if you can't press space, w and move your mouse around you either need to clean your greasy mousepad, or keyboard, or both, it's so easy lmao

[frigid shale]

^^

[raw violet]

Which is exactly the problem it’s TOO easy even!

[sleek gull]

then do it too, it's in the game

[humble girder]

thats it tho, the most meta thing in the game is also the easiest, its boring

[frigid shale]

My point ^

[raw violet]

I am! And it feels not good!

[frigid shale]

Wow

[austere sierra]

or have a pop can mountain

[sleek gull]

why lol

[pallid pilot]

that's a poor argument, you could use the same for anything in the meta, that doesn't make it valid

[sleek gull]

literally aim chest level

[pallid pilot]

"vector is fine, anyone could use it"

[frigid shale]

I am doing it! I think it feels bad! Get rid of it immediately!

[sleek gull]

i do not use vector

[pallid pilot]

ok? and?

[raw violet]

Yeah, it’d be worse if I didn’t know what it’s like on both sides.

[austere sierra]

vector isnt even meta that much anymore

ever since
THE patch

[raw violet]

Going against someone having a spasm: it feels lame
Being the one having the spasm: it feels lame

[pallid pilot]

the point is anyone can do it isn't some gotcha argument, the same was used for vector, for leanspam, and pretty much anything else

[sleek gull]

loved that one

[raw violet]

That’s why I’m at least opposed to it staying exactly the same. Not entirely pro inertia, but definitely against what we got rn

[sleek gull]

that's a poor response

[austere sierra]

RIP lean spam
RIP 200m vector kills

[pallid pilot]

Here's a question in return, why wouldn't I use movement?

[sleek gull]

lean spam was dumb

[pallid pilot]

What downside is there to using movement?

[warm blade]

remove mechanics please, great idea

[austere sierra]

it didnt really do anything tbh
just made people look stupid when they died

[sly crest]

You can't shoot

[sleek gull]

but

[warm blade]

go on replicate the lean spam airstrafe bhop movement gameplay

you cant

[raw violet]

There’s no mechanic to me holding shift and having a seizure with my mouse

[sleek gull]

i hate the fact people do not lean spam to my sea shanty micspam during preparing

[austere sierra]

behind windows was the main issue
but face to face
leanspam was useless

[valid idol]

this is why movement should be nerfed @frigid shale

[warm blade]

the difference between the poeple complaining about it is you cant play like them#

[sly crest]

But you can heal, bandage, dodge, cook dinner, walk the dog, have a family and die a peaceful death

[warm blade]

but we can play like you

[raw violet]

What region, I’ll queue for you and dance…

[austere sierra]

why yes
a community server with laggy movement
something that happens on every community server

[frigid shale]

You know why this happened

[sly crest]

[warm blade]

go

do it

[valid idol]

im spreading misinfo leave me alone

[warm blade]

drop some insane kill games

[sleek gull]

ok to be real tho, i play this game for the movement, nothing else

yeah gunplay cool

but movement is chef kiss

[pallid pilot]

I can and have posted clips, people just say the clip was because the other players were worse

like woah mindblowing

[raw violet]

Nah bro I’m getting choccy milk

[austere sierra]

and its totally not like the maps are designed for the current movement system lol

[humble girder]

y'all feel rewarded and fulfilled when going 60-10 as a groza medic with parkinsons?

if so then [laugh]

[valid idol]

no because we get more than 60 kills

[pallid pilot]

half the people in here are 100% midboarders who think their 100-60 games mean anything

[humble girder]

tiny pp energy

[raw violet]

I’m usually top 20… :(
Only cuz I heal a lot tho

[warm blade]

real

[sleek gull]

i basically only heal and rsh

[raw violet]

Nobody acknowledges my choccy milk, that makes me sad

[warm blade]

actually since my accident i have to play on the xbox disability controller

[humble girder]

Playing BBR on easy mode [girls laughing]

[warm blade]

and the input on this game is surprisingly good

only thing i have trouble with is airstrafe

[pallid pilot]

Getting 100+ on domination/frontlines is not that hard but people will pretend it makes them better than 60 kills on conq

[warm blade]

which is why it needs to be removed

[warm blade]

delusiaonal

[pallid pilot]

ez

[humble girder]

nah they're right

[pallid pilot]

frontlines is free as fuck

throw c4 at teeming mass so difficult

[humble girder]

dont like getting shot? just walk away lol

[raw violet]

Waki Bridge

[pallid pilot]

woah so difficult

dopamine rush for sure but shit man "tactical shooter that requires teamwork" my sides

[warm blade]

good.

[pallid pilot]

go play the finals

[warm blade]

have done

[pallid pilot]

or get oki to make this some different game

[vast glacier]

Hello again guys

[pallid pilot]

I don't understand how 127 battlefield is supposed to fit next to this

[warm blade]

it doesnt

but bf is pretty close to this game in pace

[pallid pilot]

Genuinely I'd be happy to see Oki make a movement shooter

but as a seperate project with choices made for a game like it

[warm blade]

BF 4 is a movement shooter for example

[pallid pilot]

BF4 has no air strafing

half the speed

idk man

[pallid pilot]

Why not get a game without the bleed mechanics, without point shooting, and go full movement shooter?

[warm blade]

??????????

[austere sierra]

https://youtu.be/LXgKwyUU8w0

[warm blade]

ok man

bf4 doesnt have airstarfe

[austere sierra]

it does have another strafe tech
thats the thing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbPPkFIiDrY
first thing
air strafe lol

[pallid pilot]

yea airstrafe is like CSGO or battlebit, jump strafe is diff,

[austere sierra]

but limited vs bbr

[pallid pilot]

and with it you get actual penalties

locked into an arc

[sly crest]

Isn't this the thing that bugs the fuck out of the player model? Or this a different one?

[pallid pilot]

in air accuracy

etc

[austere sierra]

the 2nd vid i sent

not that one
but all do seem to fuck models since its bf4

[warm blade]

bbr just gives more freedom while doing it

[pallid pilot]

why

[austere sierra]

bf4 never really had stable models i found

[warm blade]

because fun

[tepid furnace]

i mean if you feel rewarded being the guy getting farmed i dont see whats wrong with it

[vast glacier]

It is weird that suggestion has 100 upvotes

[pallid pilot]

it doesn't feel intentional, who sets up a milsim turned casual that has this random movement tech

[versed crow]

100 / 67 tho

[austere sierra]

most people come from COD and only know sliding exists as a movement tech
probably not BF

[warm blade]

remove mil sim

it will never be

[austere sierra]

ask any BF player
they love the movement

[pallid pilot]

this game will never be a movement shooter simple as

[buoyant wren]

Hi, and depends on the game

[austere sierra]

not talking about those shitters who go 20/15 in a BF match

[austere sierra]

bf4

anything past that is ehh

[buoyant wren]

It's alright I guess

[pallid pilot]

Even here, where all the movement players are concentrated, they're still a minority

[buoyant wren]

Nah, I prefer newer movement ngl

[pallid pilot]

take it to steam and reddit, I don't imagine it gets better

[warm blade]

yeah the shitters are everywhere sadly

[sly crest]

Half of these look like bugs DICE couldn't be bothered to fix

[warm blade]

yes they are

bugs

[austere sierra]

cuz most people who played the game left when lean spam was removed

and atleast movement still somewhat exist
and if you remove that
your making the people who quit and may have come back
quit for good

[pallid pilot]

your thoughts on what they are doesn't really matter, they're still the majority

[warm blade]

but imo that makes it cooler

feels more community hoe grown in a way

[austere sierra]

people like MW2 OG for a reason
and that was glitchy/buggy asf lol

man cod4 movement tech was insane

[pallid pilot]

milsim players were a minority, but movement players think they're different and special lol

it's funny

[austere sierra]

fucking bounces
strafe jumps to reach 300+ velocity

[warm blade]

they are

mil sim player cannot not replicate what the good player is doing

[finite blade]

I like milsim but not all the time, it would be nice to have it as a mode

[austere sierra]

thats the plan

[finite blade]

o.o me wanna

[austere sierra]

currently were playing casual with a mix of hardcore elements

once hardcore comes out some hardcore elements may get removed from casual or stay in casual
never know

[warm blade]

id bet my non existent kitty ak skin that 0 people will play that mil sim mode

[pallid pilot]

I'm actually writing a paper on this so answer this sincerely,
Do you think skill is a valuable trait? Is it one that's brought you a reward, IE satisfaction or status

[austere sierra]

ik with tanks
you need a squad to control those in hardcore main gunner, driver etc
but thats in hardcore

[finite blade]

nah, bf2044 got somewhat a nicer opinion when it had the milsim mode

[austere sierra]

currently tanks work as
driver/gunner
machine gunner
spotter

[finite blade]

Honestly sounds fun

[austere sierra]

you can find those in some of oki's old videos (or find a build of legacy from 2017+ (i think near 2018-19 if i recall)

[versed crow]

I have a feeling hardcore will have a very small player base
milsim with these graphics doesn't really fit, I don't see it being very popular

[austere sierra]

it will 100%

[versed crow]

but who knows

[austere sierra]

i mean look at legacy and compare it to now

[versed crow]

yeaa

[austere sierra]

theres a reason people like the game now than back then

i mean back then was oki also experimenting learning what felt right

[ebon ether]

good ol' quality discount choccy milk
👍

[austere sierra]

hence why the game was rewrote like 4-5 times

[warm blade]

in video games? yes. irl? even more. doing something difficult/being better than someone is fulfilling

[pallid pilot]

preciate it

[warm blade]

cite me as daddy mccumface

[austere sierra]

milsim players can learn how movement is and even play like us
the thing is it takes time

pretty sure everyone here started out slow going 20-10 till they got hang of the game
movement is something that comes with time and muscle memory
and its really easy to learn

[warm blade]

send me the paper when publication pls

[dry kelp]

Why are you guys pointing out only the medic ?

engineer with light vest and light backpack runs faster if not equally fast

[warm blade]

no i only see the medics doing it

[dry kelp]

while carrying rpgs and trophies btw

[warm blade]

there has to be a reasonb the medic is the fastestest class

and why do the medic have the c4?

[austere sierra]

only if people remembered how fast engi was during the playtest before oki nerfed no vest

[warm blade]

it is simply over powered

[dry kelp]

go try engi with light setup

[austere sierra]

that was actually so fast it was breaking servers

[dry kelp]

its like playing quake with a rocket launcher

[warm blade]

not in my experience

the medics are still faster on the points

and usually rotate faster than me as engi

[dry kelp]

😵‍💫 not in his experience ( he said so it must be true )

[warm blade]

they have to be faster

same with the jumps on the buildings

the medic i see usually can hit jumps more far

i just fall off the side of the building

[dry kelp]

😷 are you even using light setup ?

[warm blade]

yes light backpack and armor

[dry kelp]

no helmet, light vest, light bag

[warm blade]

but thats not really viable because it gets only 3 rpg= 3 kills before respawn

[dry kelp]

No way dude 😔

no way you say that with a straight face

[frigid shale]

me when doki lets mediic use light bag like engi 🏎️🏎️🏎️🏎️

🏎️🏎️

[warm blade]

and it also has only one grenade

[dry kelp]

you have a primary weapon for the same reason

[warm blade]

yeah but not the usable ones

only smg and half automatic sniper gun

[dry kelp]

?????????

brother

I use ACR with that light engi setup

[warm blade]

i mean sure the mines you can also put as engineer plus three rpg buut thats about it

[dry kelp]

And I am able to do whatever a medic is doing

[warm blade]

but the medic can heal

when he is damaged when spamming dumb movement jumpingh though the enemies

with the c4

the engineer cannot do the same

[austere sierra]

engi supports all SMG's AR's DMR's, PDW's, Carbines

[warm blade]

i see very little of the engineer when the stzreamers and do this c4 bs

[austere sierra]

engi has C4

only issue is the healing with bandages
which is easy to get more

if they DROP!!

[dry kelp]

I literally pointed that to @sly crest who kept listing it as some standard for movement mechanics and posting his clips.

[warm blade]

yeah but i cant play my m249 or msr my fav guns on the enginer

[austere sierra]

ew MSR

[warm blade]

but the rpg i find even better to use for kills so engineer is still better i think

[sly crest]

Dawg i literally told you I played BF4 casually and didn't know there were such buggy movement

[austere sierra]

yep thats the issue

play it when it was in its prime
that was cancerous

[sly crest]

Are you guys seriously saying that because BF4 had a little amount of inertia and they REFUSED TO FIX BUGGY MOVEMENT, that battlebit can't have a little inertia as well?

Because if that's what you are saying, then you are reaching A LOT

[tame oriole]

💀 ok buddy

maybe that’s @peak axle

[tame oriole]

good so let’s not make it that

[warm blade]

my best game is 68 kills

[peak axle]

Nah

[warm blade]

but i see the medic always

is on top

[peak axle]

I go 100-80

[austere sierra]

thats the avg player id say

[peak axle]

Not 100-60🥱

[austere sierra]

im sorry for your KD

[warm blade]

because they have no inertia and can just c4 air jump everywher

[tame oriole]

above average but still not great

[peak axle]

I’m sorry for the people who are below me while I’m using no guns

💀

[warm blade]

i think i seen this mezu man

[dry kelp]

How does it matter if you did or didn't know ? Your point was that it has inertia so that solved all the movement mechanics there, which was disproven later by other here. The airstrafing and bunny hopping in bf4 is not bugged but zouzou, vouzou, slither slides etc. manipulate animations.

[austere sierra]

eh id just say avg personally
most people can drop 40-60 most matches

[warm blade]

he i supect was cheater

[peak axle]

Did you know every class can do this and not just medic

[austere sierra]

now its hard to be a person who goes 10-50
like HOW DO PEOPLE DIE THAT MUCH

[tame oriole]

real and true

[warm blade]

yes but the medic is fastest i think

[tame oriole]

you caught me

[peak axle]

It’s not

[austere sierra]

engi is fastest

since you have light backpack

[peak axle]

I love my speedy engineer

[austere sierra]

med has normal/heavy
which ends off at a 97.5
while engie is a 90.0 if i recall

[warm blade]

but the again he only have 3 rpg

[dry kelp]

he said no so we must believe him

[peak axle]

So? I still get the exact same guns as medic

[warm blade]

which means you cant get more than 3 or 4 kills per spawn

[austere sierra]

the values on armor is still weird asf lol

[peak axle]

No fucking way you said that

[sly crest]

BF4 devs refusing to fix bugs is not an argument against adding a little inertia to BBR

[warm blade]

but you cant put ammo box as engi

[peak axle]

💀💀💀

[dry kelp]

you want to carry 7 while running fast ? people will be super upset bro

[austere sierra]

what?!?!

use supply drops

squad supply drops
what everyone uses

[ebon ether]

did i just read the same messenges i did like 2 hours ago?

[peak axle]

Just so you know, engineer can use stuff besides the rpg

[dry kelp]

guys this dude really said this 🤦‍♂️

[warm blade]

but rpg is best fro get kills with

[dry kelp]

he really do be shifting goalposts out here

[peak axle]

Not really

[dry kelp]

😁 try ACR, you'll love it

[peak axle]

If you press 1 you equip your primary weapon and that has a lot more ammo than your rpg

[warm blade]

hgave try it but the recoil feel a little much

[sly crest]

Your entire argument is that "BF4 had a little bit of inertia, and it had these movement bugs, that they refused to fix. So adding a little bit of inertia to nerf SHIFT + W + Spasm brainrot is not good"

[peak axle]

Acr recoil too much 😭

[dry kelp]

its like the sg ? shouldn't be that hard unless you play at very low sense ?

[pallid pilot]

End of the day majority rules, and there's no argument to say that anybody still here is just a new player bc game is dead in the water. If majority of the small ass 2k playerbase wants movement reduced then it is what it is

[dry kelp]

No I just disproved your point with solid points about the possibilities and its outcomes after anazlyzing BF4 which you stated was a standard of movement

[pallid pilot]

Why cater

[dry kelp]

to casuals

[pallid pilot]

Or to sweats

[peak axle]

Game has been catering to shit players since game released😔

[sly crest]

Yeah, the base movement, which I was familiar with. AS I WAS NOT AWARE THAT THERE WERE MOVEMENT BUGS IN BF4

[pallid pilot]

Neither brought anything more than 15$ to the game

[dry kelp]

well sweats stay around meamwhile casuals will come and go

[sly crest]

Why would I advocate for movement bugs

[pallid pilot]

Yet casuals are still here

[dry kelp]

How is bunny hopping a bug ?

[pallid pilot]

103 casuals

We're at rock bottom but I always hear oh casuals will leave anyways

[warm blade]

sweat is fine but when there are too many sweat the game become unenjoyable

[dry kelp]

By theory if they are here long then thats not a casual

[warm blade]

because every corner is sweat and you cannot get the kills

[leaden trail]

I hope this suggestion gets deleted and blacklist every other suggesting containing "intertia" in the title

[pallid pilot]

Debatable but I'll come back to this after class for sure

[leaden trail]

skill issue

[pallid pilot]

Bc I don't think time makes you a sweat

[austere sierra]

https://i.imgur.com/YzC6sxp.jpeg

huh shouldnt do the white outline
fucked up my sharex i think lol

engi is 95.0
medic 97.5

[sly crest]

Bunny hopping isn't an intended mechanic in the game. If you try to do a traditional bunny hopping (Spam jump) you will come to a stop. But Bunny hopping you are referring to goes around that spam jump stop mechanic

[peak axle]

Stop leaking my fast engineer 😭

Like no one uses it

[austere sierra]

you have no idea about a fast engineer trust me

RIP crackhead speed engi from playtest era

[peak axle]

Sounds fun

[ebon ether]

at least bunny hopping is skill based

[peak axle]

I think mp5 should be given 1.3 move speed 🥱

Would make the game fun

[leaden trail]

I think

[sly crest]

You jump, release movement keys, jump while you are sliding and repeat

[leaden trail]

Oki should fix the fal movement speed

:)

[sly crest]

There's no timing skill gap like in CS for example

[dry kelp]

Bunny hopping is not standing and jumping at the same spot dumbass. Its literally done to maintain speed or increase it. It doesn't involve any bugs. Whats even more funny is that now you are calling these as bugs but earlier it was the so called standard according to you

[ebon ether]

it's only 1.03 at best because ms multipliers on attachments are goofed

[dry kelp]

shhhhh dont let oki see it

[ebon ether]

takes more skill and requires more commitment than spinning

[sly crest]

Do you not understand that when I stated "Standard" I was not aware of bunny hopping being a thing in BF4?

[dry kelp]

Is that my fault you weren't aware ? Even after being proven wrong you kept posting bf4 vids.

[sly crest]

I posted these clips

[dry kelp]

wait till they realise that

[sly crest]

No, but I told you multiple times that I wasn't aware of those movements when I said standard, which you refused to understand

[dry kelp]

😔 its because you instantly called bf4 buggy after that

[sly crest]

Because I wasn't aware of those movements 💀

Dawg is denser than water 😭

[ebon ether]

like, if there was actual skill to moving this effectively then sure, go ahead it's skill
but this crap is just easy af, come on i'm a decently skilled casual who has his moments yet movement is so easy that even i effectively use the mechanics without hickups (except for the bitch ass vault detection/having vault be a simple tap of the space bar ._.)

[austere sierra]

The skill comes to the player who’s shooting

Not the person running

Definition of skill issue

[sly crest]

Play explain to me the cons of using SHIFT + W + SPASM

You cant shoot while running

Which you can stop immediatly when you find the slightest opening

[tepid furnace]

change vault to a different key. helps a ton

[ebon ether]

my dumb ass can't addapt to that

[tepid furnace]

you probably can

its very worth the bit of effort to make the change

[sly crest]

Wish Oki just made tapping space jump and holding space vault

[dry kelp]

🤡 now that you're aware why aren't you complaining on bf4 forums ?

[sly crest]

Because I don't play BF4 anymore cuz DICE doesn't update it anymore + Dead servers 💀

[ebon ether]

movement should have skill involved tho
every game with movement that is atleast somewhat "deep" has its movement require some sort of skill, heck even minecraft pvp requires knowledge and technique be to effective
this games just doesn't require skill, and in my eyes, it is a little amusing that the skilled players want to keep their unskilled movement even tho they rub into every ones face how good they are, i mean respect for knowing the flank routes, having the aim and positioning but at movement you're saying "nope i'm out too much skill requirement"?

[dry kelp]

Yeah I also stated this earlier. If people start using these mechanics then they will have an issue with that too and the players who are currently complaining about airstrafing because of "skill" will have an even harder time dealing with it

[sly crest]

Why?

Because BF4 devs refused to fix bugs?

[dry kelp]

Can't believe this dude here is still out here coping by calling bunny hopping as a bug @ebon ether

tell him dude

[ebon ether]

well at that point you can't really do anything else but streamline the movement to a point where skill takes a backseat, i think i've made it pretty clear that that should not happen
i just take issue with the fact that the current movement is so braindead simple yet effective, either it has to be simple but uneffective (the bad way obviously) or more complex with intent put into it but more rewarding (better)

[celest perch]

what would you do to make it more complex?

[ebon ether]

honestly, no clue
maybe some sort of bunny hopping or proper air strafing, fact is the current air spinning is just dumb

[grave brook]

I just throw c4 at them

Dodge deez

[valid idol]

i just spray them down

ez

[grave brook]

Hipfire Works too

[dry kelp]

TIL bunnyhopping is a bug

👇nemu are you a top ?

[valid idol]

no

[ebon ether]

at 10+ meters, in an area full of cover...

[grave brook]

https://youtu.be/MRCeSpQUgbc?si=J3rABIooBkKLOUiI

If they are covered why are you complaining

[ebon ether]

misunderstanding purposefully, amazing argument 10/10

[frigid shale]

Rip Phoon real movement legend

@ebon ether opinions on this clip

[versed crow]

don't really need opinions on that
its just laggy ass community servers

main reason I don't really play anymore

[frigid shale]

He thinks I’m abusing the game movement on that clip

[versed crow]

how

tf

[frigid shale]

He is silly

Silly

[versed crow]

you probably just jumped down

[frigid shale]

Jumped and crouched*

Why my legs disappear

[versed crow]

abusing movement my ass its just laggy servers

[frigid shale]

Love having no legs

Shitty ass buggy ass game

Fuck that tho I’m looking fresh to death

Blue tracksuit with tha blue beanie to match

🥶 😰

[vast glacier]

Guys you are offtopic rn

[frigid shale]

No I’m not

Talking about how good I look in the clip of me breaking the game movement and deatomozing my legs

[ebon ether]

server lag, that's all

[frigid shale]

Thanks for clarification after someone explained it earlier

[raw violet]

We’re 1000+ messages in, give us a break

[frigid shale]

No

Hold us accountable to this

[raw violet]

Punishment kink I see

[frigid shale]

That’s against TOS

Sexual Comment was not wanted

Mods nuke his house

[raw violet]

Joke’s on you it’s not my house

[frigid shale]

I’m calling HR

[raw violet]

Oh god

Anything but Nancy from HR

please

[frigid shale]

It’s not Nancy

They have one guy for this games HR

I think he has <10 hours in game tho

Just make the game how it was when it was released and we good

[ebon ether]

well you made it look like i said that was movement (i didn't lmao)

[frigid shale]

I’ve shown you the same clip before and you complained it was movement

So just wanna make sure we on the same page

[ebon ether]

that wasn't me buddy

[pallid pilot]

While the game may enable it, I just do not see anything that suggests the game was created with the intent for this level of freedom in movement, nor is the games maps/mechanics designed with the movement in mind

I understand the enjoyment and potential

But it seems more appropriate for it to be Ina game where that level of movement freedom was considered part of the core from the get go

If the game was bboce styled from the get go, this topic would not be controversial

Likewise if this game stayed milsim, same thing

At this point I'd like the devs to pick a lane and take the hit instead of being wishy-washy and catering to both and neither

That I think is something we can all as a larger community agree on

[humble girder]

Thank you, been looking for this

[unborn kiln]

pretty sure most here are asking for airborne inertia, aka more limited turning when in air type idea

[unborn kiln]

would break the helmet in 2 shots, followed by breaking him in 5, also why not just do leg shots?

[unborn kiln]

exo chest becomes near useless when prone by the way (arms block it or you have the head)

[unborn kiln]

So we have inertia on vehicles, I feel most people are asking for inertia for in air only

[icy bridge]

That wouldnt make any sense, that doesnt solve any of the issues they are complaining about.

[unborn kiln]

not even removed, just limited a bit

[ebon ether]

how else could the air spinning be nerfed tho?

[unborn kiln]

first jump was a turn than jump

[unborn kiln]

if I recall Oki made a patch around first launch month that halved all MS penalties & buffs from attachments

[ebon ether]

yes ik, but in practice it's 1/5 of what the stats say...

[unborn kiln]

Chum, I noticed most complain about the air spinning, inertia in air would limit the turning (AKA you can still adjust but it would be harder to do 180/360 spins based on the amount given)

[unborn kiln]

danke

[exotic torrent]

Can someone link the suggestion text of this place or the first message

[vast glacier]

Vilaskis answered one of the questions about inertia. #patreon-backers message

[exotic torrent]

Discord is being wonky again

[unborn kiln]

give me a sec

[exotic torrent]

Because i can not for some reason see the thingy

i have to scroll up message and message to find it

[unborn kiln]

#1170730270492721253 message

[exotic torrent]

Thabk you!!

[unborn kiln]

np

[unborn kiln]

no access 😦

[exotic torrent]

Ngl would love they to add it to the game

But do wish you can Regain it back easily

[unborn kiln]

so regain what back easily to clarify?

[vast glacier]

@unborn kiln

[sly monolith]

based vilaskis

[exotic torrent]

Basically it doesnt take long for you to be at full speed again

[sly monolith]

movement is fine yall are just dogshit

[exotic torrent]

Am i dogshit ;w;

[sly monolith]

idk who u r so maybe maybe not

[exotic torrent]

Im a movement player meow

[ebon ether]

lol

[unborn kiln]

Mango, Lets just get a clarification, what type of inertia do you think I am talking about for instance?

I saw typing

it doesn't take long to answer this if you paid any attention to what I have said

[sly monolith]

you cant make super fast and extensive movements in air

[unborn kiln]

Not precisely

more correct on the latter through

but never mentioned speed in terms of velocity, velocity changes yes

[sly monolith]

mf i aint read what u say

what kind of inertia we talking about then

[unborn kiln]

So to start you aren't reading & calling names/such

But to answer your question

I am talking about in air ONLY inertia

where it would allow adjustments & such easily

but more limited in the spin angle of a flat ground jump (Could be debated even on how much)

[vast glacier]

Guys i'am looking for middle ground

In few days i will update suggestion

[sly monolith]

i wasnt calling you specifically dogshit

[ebon ether]

everyone lmao

[sly monolith]

listen man i just joined the convo today

i am not reading the 30+ essays you guys wrote in this god forsaken channel

i am basing what im saying on what i already know about inertia, and what it would do in game

[vast glacier]

Do you remember og inertia?

[warm blade]

based

its not just about that

[sly monolith]

probably not

when was that

[warm blade]

idc if some movement tech is hard to pull off etc

moving freely in air just feels great

[unborn kiln]

what kind of inertia

[warm blade]

enables nice 180 jumps etc

[unborn kiln]

there are SEVERAL kinds & levels

it is like gunplay

[sly monolith]

exactly what i said earlier

while in air, you cant turn as fast or as much

that does not seem fun to me

for milsim mode sure

but normal

that seems very annoying

[vast glacier]

In early 2022

[unborn kiln]

I am doubtful

[sly monolith]

even if your trying to just play normally

[unborn kiln]

as was said previously by someone else, the spins aren't used much apperently

thus it wouldn't be much effected

this would really only effect the spins

at least my idea

[sly monolith]

i mean i dont really care

as long as its not to extreme

their are defintely other more important things that need to be looked at before inertia tho

[vast glacier]

Rn i have few options that are middle groundi will be editing with option A b c

[sly monolith]

also their is still a very large portion of the community that doesnt want it

so dont add it

[unborn kiln]

I feel a question to be raised is simply is everyone on the same page?

[sly monolith]

the games playercounts are way too low to be just making changes that more than half the playerbase disagrees with it

[unborn kiln]

AKA are we all talking about at least a similar kind of inertia when speaking

Looking at the votes

it is less than half

[sly monolith]

the game barely maintains 5k players

we cant just make these changes out of no where

that so many people disagree with

when their are other things that could be changed

[unborn kiln]

so many people who disagree, so many who agree

It is like voting, no one is happy

[ebon ether]

102 for vs 72 against as of writing this isn't "over half who disagree" lmao

[unborn kiln]

we also got people who glanced & remain neutral/didn't vote

[unborn kiln]

I see 103 through

So assuming the neutral party is a minority

[ebon ether]

the trolling

[unborn kiln]

it is still over 50% of the discord community who have not when no

[sly monolith]

the game is already dead in non eu or na regions

[unborn kiln]

could be wagered over 60%-70%

[sly monolith]

you cant just keep making controversial ass decisions for the fun of it

[unborn kiln]

Plus this is diverting the conversation I feel

[sly monolith]

thats how you turn more people a way

there are so many things that could be implemeneted that would actually bring people back

[unborn kiln]

Mango, this isn't the thread for it

Equally you could name some rather than making guess work/not saying any

[sly monolith]

actual fucking content????

people dont read the update logs and be like; "oh yay the silencer now gives a 3% lower recoil debuff!!! time to come back to game"

[unborn kiln]

Be more precise

[sly monolith]

guns?

maps?

gamemodes?

[unborn kiln]

we been getting map reworks

[vast glacier]

I saw new gamemode

[unborn kiln]

gun wise I would say dependant

[sly monolith]

im not saying that inertia is un imporant but it doesnt seem important enough to be done right now when so many other things could be done first that would actually bring people back

[vast glacier]

Propably it will be released in 2weeks-1 month

Knowing oki and vilaskis

[icy bridge]

People are complaining about dodging in general. The player being in the air has nothing to do with how they move

[ebon ether]

that's literally what everyone i saw up to this point has been complaining about

[icy bridge]

I think when they mean air spinning they mean dodging in general

There is no way they just want to nerf air movement without nerfing ground movement

That would make no sense, people would just dodge without jumping

[pallid pilot]

This thread shows that movement really is that fucking divisive and should have a statement made

either it won't be touched so all the casuals and milsims can leave

or it will be so the sweats can leave

tired of this sit in the middle bs

we lost 70k players bc game won't make up its mind

[ebon ether]

from an aim pov the jumping is the iffy part yk

[vast glacier]

If few days I will edit my suggestion and ask mods to lock suggestion fot only emoji reaction

[peak axle]

I do😔

[sly monolith]

real af

[frigid shale]

Can’t wait to see you all at Dreamhack🔫

[low lake]

wont see me at it

🔫

[tame oriole]

💀

[tame oriole]

real and true??????????!!!!!!!

[pallid pilot]

nah this whole casual community won't last yet half the people here are casuals

make it make sense

[tame oriole]

jus bc theres still a bunch of casuals doesnt mean anything

[pallid pilot]

sure it does

[tame oriole]

80k and most left

a small percent of casuals actually remain and play the game

and thats dropping

and its dropping even more for sweats

[pallid pilot]

there's also a small percent of sweats that have left

The ratio stays the same

[tame oriole]

larger percent of sweats have left

[pallid pilot]

so this whole concept that sweats will last longer just doesn't click for me

so neither side is happy, that really doesn't seem like a controversial take at this point

[tame oriole]

they would if the game wasnt so dogshit

[pallid pilot]

why'd they come then

[tame oriole]

was fun at launch

[pallid pilot]

I don't buy it, game has barely changed at all, only thing that changed was playerbase

[humble girder]

its still the same as it was, there's just not much keeping people here

[pallid pilot]

we got a half assed bandage change and some actual weapon balance instead of as val

that's not enough for "game to become dogshit"

aint no way

[tame oriole]

no, game is more unfun than it started, and its also getting fed up with devs not actually doing anything to fix the game

[humble girder]

it's a low-skill-ceiling game with limited unlocks and few achievements

[tame oriole]

ur right on the progression lacking but def not a low skill game

[humble girder]

That doesnt mean it's not fun BTW

[humble girder]

haha it really is, sorry, everythings handed to you on a silver plate and there's very little to master.

[pallid pilot]

each time I ask the narritive changes

low skill ceiling

high skill ceiling

[humble girder]

Perfect for me honestly, I have few hours to play

[pallid pilot]

recoil is easy

game is hard

[tame oriole]

low skill ceiling lol

[pallid pilot]

theres no concensus

[tame oriole]

it is lol

[pallid pilot]

movement is easy

[buoyant wren]

Bro, no one in here can make their minds up

[pallid pilot]

movement is hard

recoil is easy

there is no single take that stays the same

[tame oriole]

recoil is hilariously easy

[tame oriole]

have u considered that people can have differing opinions

[pallid pilot]

I know there's one united opinion and that's that the movement is a joke

[buoyant wren]

Yes, but it's 50/50 all the time

[pallid pilot]

anywhere outside of the sweat sphere it's against it

[tame oriole]

just bc people that cant aim think the movement is stupid doesnt mean anything

[buoyant wren]

They have as much of a say as you man

[tame oriole]

💀 they can say it that doesnt mean that it should be taken seriously

[pallid pilot]

I can't say I'm swayed by the "everyone else is a shitter crowd"

[buoyant wren]

^

[buoyant wren]

As much as I agree with your points about the game it doesn't mean the Devs shouldn't listen to the other parts of the community

[pallid pilot]

I mean at this point I'd hope Oki just doesn't cater to the toxic crowd, it goes beyond being sweaty

y'all are just kinda dicks half the time

[tame oriole]

i dont think they should ignore the casual crowd but in this instance where only casuals have issues hitting people it makes it easy to dismiss

[vast glacier]

Btw@buoyant wren

[buoyant wren]

At this point go ahead and lock it, this post aint going anywhere at this point

Constant arguments, finger pointing, other bullshit

[vast glacier]

Yeah thats why

[tame oriole]

👍

there goes my daily comedy

[buoyant wren]

No wonder stuff doesn't get done, people constantly complain when stuff happens and complain when things do happen

[vast glacier]

I will be giving 3 options. A b c but it it will take few days to gather

[vast glacier]

Typical human behavior

[buoyant wren]

Nah, typical gamer mindset

[vast glacier]

Anyway

[tame oriole]

https://media.discordapp.net/stickers/1155909409877282889.png?size=160&name=zazu

[vast glacier]

I will ask oxigen to review my edited suggestion. Because you know my grammar

[frigid shale]

Not true

Also I’m having a civil discussion with @tame oriole

[tame oriole]

i’m having a criminal discussion

[frank wren]

It must be hard to appeal to everyone, especially with the divide that cas and hc creates, even when we don't have either at the moment.

[buoyant wren]

You will never please everyone, it's impossible. There will be at least one person that absolutely hates a change and won't accept that change

[tame oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/get-real-get-fake-meme-family-guy-peter-griffin-gif-20797530

[frigid shale]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-satanic-ritual-gif-3304658659514866408

@tame oriole

[tame oriole]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/651839800944492556.webp?size=48&name=Israel&quality=lossless

@frank wren

[icy bridge]

NO SNITCHING

[tame oriole]

@frigid shale just posted gay porn

[frigid shale]

^^

[pallid pilot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/909504618319454209/1038970734711689306/squadronannoucments-1.gif

live milsimmer reaction

[vast glacier]

Wtf

[lament dove]

Reading through this and holy shit.

[buoyant wren]

Good luck

[lament dove]

I'd rather drink more than argue for some sort of nerf to air strafing and get called out for having skill issue even though most people cope n seethe

[clear hinge]

[frank wren]

For sure, I misspoke I guess. Being between cas and hardcore with no public plan moving forward makes a huge divide in the community where people are left to talk in circles, people see something change to be more casual and the hardcore players get pissed and vice versa. But in reality it doesn't matter much because we'll have both cas and hc. We're on the same page

[lament dove]

If we're on the same page, we wouldn't have these threads tbh

[frigid shale]

Thanks to everyone for the references! Can proudly say this thread landed me the job 💶💶💶

[buoyant wren]

🫡

[sharp portal]

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