General Feedback - Not For Topics Already Set.

[slender ermine]

Im not going to argue with someone who probably doesnt even have the braincells to understand why having a mechanic in the game that can be abused to prevent the counter to your strategy is unbalanced.

Youre clearly not intelligent enough to understand the issue that comes with having a mechanic in place that makes it impossible to fight your opponent.

[summer mortar]

i don't think you should be allowed to camp in your safezone but first and foremost you need to be able to use vehicles aggressively

[slender ermine]

They already can be you just have to accept that its going to get destroyed by the counter that was made specifcally to prevent them from breaking the ballence of the game.

[summer mortar]

no, you can't be aggressive in a vehicle. and if you think you can be, you've literally never tried using them

it's not that people WANT to sit in the safezone, it's just that it's their only option if they don't want to die instantly. it's hilariously easy for infantry to nuke vehicles out of existance, and that's what needs to be addressed first

again, you're just spiteful and want vehicles to be weak

[slender ermine]

I think the point is you dont know what youre doing with them. I have both seen single vehicles wipe out dozens of players on a control point until they were destroyed and have done it myself.

[slender ermine]

So before you continue spouting the mindless drivel your so found of how about you accept the fact that you are objectivly incorrect and stfu.

[summer mortar]

damn, i have no idea why, but somehow i don't believe that you've done it yourself

[slender ermine]

Okay? I personally dont give a f*ck about what you believe. I dont know what world you live in where a take could/should be able to survive more than 2 C4, but youre a delusional moron who clearly doesnt know what hes talking about.

[summer mortar]

pot, kettle, etc

[slender ermine]

Im done here i can feel myself losing brain cells just talking to you at this point.

[umbral yoke]

The game promotes individual gameplay style, and it's not because it's fast, but because you literally don't have ask anyone for anything, you don't need teammates for anything, except spawning on them. Let the example be that you can bandage to full hp, and you can swap class/weapons/gadets in the matter of seconds, you can be a medic with a c4 that can destroy a vehicle. Dying is not punishing at all, sometimes it even is beneficial, as you can spawn after 5s on the other side of the map. It's nice to see gameplay systems work fine, but it's a pain to see the well developed system being used to create such mess and individual gameplay. And btw squads are just there to limit on whom you can spawn on, to prevent total mess, beyond that squads are kinda useless and have no reason to exist.

nerfing the movement or gunplay won't really help here, there should be ways of making players depend on each other more, of course there will be voices that are against changes that would force them co communicate and cooperate with others as it's not comfortable for some players

[grim ocean]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

You get it

[umbral yoke]

because it will always be a game

and btw having such gameplay style is just boring, and players can just stop playing the game as they have other similar titles with larger playerbase, cutting down communications and community-forming meta just make the game boring after couple of tries

and the short live-span is also a problem

in games where you just live longer (again, not only milsim ones), you get a lot more fun

imagine rounds where you don't die once using the vehicle, or being alive for 30min

but your game 'live' have to mean something, so there is a reason why you don't want to 'die'

and if you have this longer lifespan, good gameplay emerges and it becomes somehow immersive

[summer mortar]

this is intentional. the "casual" gamemode is supposed to reward teamplay, but not require it

[umbral yoke]

it's not rewarding much

[summer mortar]

whereas the milsim mode will fully require you to work with your team

[summer mortar]

it kinda is

having people near you to revive you is going to allow you to perform better

if you're a lone wolf and die behind enemy lines by yourself, your positioning was wasted. but a squad behind enemy lines can hold their own much better

[umbral yoke]

but there is not much need to wait, it's easier and more effective just to give up and respawn

and you get full ammo

and you can change kit by respawning

waiting for revive is usually not a good strat

it's better to respawn

[summer mortar]

waiting for revive =/= playing with your squad and knowing they're going to revive you

respawning is easy, but it's not strictly better. it's worse in most cases

even if your squad was near you when you died, what if you can't respawn on them because there's enemies around? and what if they all get wiped because they couldn't revive you and have another player?

[umbral yoke]

even if you know you will get revived, there is no poit, as respawning is just faster and can teleport you anywhere xd

[umbral yoke]

i understand mate, but from my experience I just hit the respawn 4 out of 5 times

[umbral yoke]

apart for the somehow broken 'in-combat' while spawning on teammates:

• spawnable teammates are ones that have another teammate that is alive no further than 3-5m and are not in combat (no spawning on lonewolfs, and a reason to revive your collegue)

• the respawn on teammates, rallies, vehicles should not refill your ammo

• it should not be possible to change your kit when spawning on teammate (or get like 1 magazine)

• spawning on teammates should be possible after being 60-120seconds in a squad, to prevent abusing spawning mechaics by rapidly changing squads

• bleeding should be slower

• if you get below 30% hp, you can't stop bleeding anymore but you can buy some time by using bandages, you have to find a medic to stop the bleed

• bleeding should happend not below 10% but below like 50% or even 75% hp, but be much slower

• health/bleeding should also affect your combat effectiveness (increased sway, recoil, increased times for reload, ADS etc., visual effect that forces you to seek for a profesional help)

• medics could have just all-in-one item to revive/bandage/heal with eg. limited supply, no need to complicate things for medics

• using this all-in-one will stop the bleed after healing the player completely

by having this we would have also:

• precious ammo and useful support class
• precious HP and useful medic class
• players falling back to seek a medic and not dying instantly
• a reason to fall back
• more reasons to be alive xD
• easier to use medic class

squads by default should have limted kits, preferably to require at least one medic when above 6 players

I'd would also like to see increased TTK as it is now nearly instant and aiming is kinda easy, so we can give some time for players to fall back. It might be done like increasing hit bonus for headshots, reducing head hitbox size, but giving players like 30% more hp to increase the TTK.
Keeping players alive for longer, and increasing value of their virtual lifes may lead to better gameplay experience. With quick TTK that we have now there is not much room for even thinking of falling.

[obtuse agate]

Can we get customized bandages and med kits? 🥺

[earnest prawn]

Just general feedback from the last 2 weeks of updates... the graphic quality has decreased and the net code is super jittery.

[crisp panther]

I don't know who thought this new audio was a good idea, but this ain't it.

Why change a staple of the FPS genre that has been working since its inception? How can I estimate distance of sounds when they don't sound the same depending on the emitter?

[low linden]

I can't see if there's a specific thread for this but I'm still spawn-dying constantly, that system is still broken as hell

[rocky spruce]

You mean, you're spawning on squad members who're closest to the battle and getting mowed down a split second after?

The changes weren't meant to stop it, just make it happen less. The only way around it is to teach people there are other spawn options and patience.

[mental seal]

Hello, I did not find a category for it, so I'll just post it here: can you guys make it so that the keybindings for switching between sights works outside of already aiming down? It feels very clunky having to aim down sight constantly to have the right optic "in use". Maybe add a little on screen text like when switching between firemodes.

[umbral yoke]

patience doesn’t help, the k/d is important and you can have good k/d spawning in the middle of fight, patience won’t help if it’s overplayed by speed

[low linden]

Not really a meaningful distinction. There are other changes to be made to have it happen even less than it currently is, aside from those "only ways around it."

[rocky spruce]

You don't need to spawn in the middle of the fight, it's not important.

There are so many other ways to play besides throwing your selves into the meat grinder. Maybe you should slow down and consider where you spawn, your K/D will thank you.

[rocky spruce]

Lets cut to the chase, spawn protection in the middle of a fight is bullshit.

make the in-combat radius much larger and make it where you can't spawn anywhere near any enemies line of sight or the battle? but what if throwing your self into the battle like a lemming is what a large amount of the players want to do?

[low linden]

I don't think there should be spawn protection, I'm talking about something closer to the latter option there. Specifically I think the "being aimed at" condition needs to be much more sensitive.

If that's what the majority wants then that's fine, but we'd need to determine that first

[umbral yoke]

what would you say about my suggestion?

[low linden]

What's your suggestion?

[umbral yoke]

the player is spawnable if has another squad mate in the proximity

so spawning won’t be possible on lone players

[low linden]

Could be interesting in a game that hewed to its tactical shooter roots more closely, I think. Idk how it'd go over in terms of maintaining match momentum in the current Battlebit

[umbral yoke]

i can see only benefits from implementing such mechanic but would be also nice to have someone seeing issues with it

as for me it would fit perfectly in current meta

[patent fjord]

Does this mean there are armor pieces that can only be unlocked through these challenges rather than through player level? #dev-wip message

Will armor still reset every prestige?

[half pebble]

I think this is an overhaul to how armor is unlocked entirely

but I may be wrong

[patent fjord]

I can see that either being a big improvement to how its unlocked or just making it way worse than it already is.

[half pebble]

if they're different by armor, it's a net improvement since that's multiple routes for the same "type"

functionally

cosmetically your prefferred piece might be more challenging, IE 50 claymore and mine kills

[patent fjord]

Only if they keep the level unlocks

[half pebble]

the only one that can suffer from this change is engi big backpack depending on challenge but most armor types have variants on saame class

[half pebble]

it really depends on the challenges. If they're anything like the weekly ones, which they seem to be, cept focused on class, it could easily be as easy aas 200 kills on support aand 5000 resupplies

[craggy tusk]

Related to this: #dev-wip message

I really like this idea, but Im worried about it being more time-consuming/annoying than just grinding the kills on their own. 1000 long range kills past 300 meters is kinda ridiculous if its meant to combat the time it takes to reach level 150. But, if it's for their own unique cosmetics, then I think this would be fine imo.

This new idea also reminds me of a similar mechanic in modern cods, where you have to use a different weapon or attachments just to unlock other skins or attachments for the gun you actually wanna use. I dont like comparing this game to cod, its obviously not that, but that one mechanic is quite similar and I really hope this doesnt turn into that seeing how annoying it is.

[balmy cedar]

Oki said that unlocked gear will stay unlocked after prestige.
So these are one time tasks

[patent fjord]

Oki if you are reading this, does this #dev-wip message mean that support is getting access to ranger armor?

[foggy pendant]

Still, 1000 kills at 300+ meters is frankly asking for way too much out of the typical player.

Also hoping requirements for other unlocks aren't similarly audacious.

[patent fjord]

The devs are the only people who can determine what is asking too much of the "typical player"

They are the only ones with data about how the typical player performs

[half pebble]

Vilaskis confirmed not a typo in patreon

[patent fjord]

lmao

[patent fjord]

did he say if support is getting any other armor as well?

or backpacks?

[half pebble]

No

But that's just light backpack anyways

Or light armor

[patent fjord]

wdym

[half pebble]

Oh thought you meant armor type

I asked about empty helmet and no response so

Only ranger got confirmed

[patent fjord]

i'd also be interested to know if other classes get exo

[half pebble]

Idunno, but heavy helmet is def no longer safe from being exclusive imo

[vivid ice]

if the challenge system would replace the level unlock system, the challenges need to be brought way down
1000 kills at 500m is honestly so insane i would never even attempt it

if player retention is a worry, dont make a single challenge take longer than getting to max level by normal means

[patent fjord]

I think it's meant to give multiple avenues to unlock armor

So youre not forced to do any one challenge unless you want the specific cosmetic

[vivid ice]

still i feel it would be best to adjust them to be something new players might want to do, rather than just for the small portion that will grind multiple prestiges

[patent fjord]

I think its fine for there to be some cosmetics that are hard to get.

[vivid ice]

cosmetics, sure
gameplay unlocks, no

[patent fjord]

Also the only people who can really tell what the specific numbers should be are the devs cause they're the only ones who actually know what the average player's stats are

[patent fjord]

Yeah I meant that I dont think they are going to change the existing unlocks, just adding new ways to unlock armor.

[vivid ice]

considering the complaints about player retention, i doubt average playtime is very high

and ive always felt that unlocking stuff in this game is really slow, so incredibly tedious tasks wont really make things any faster

[craggy tusk]

why would you add alternative methods of unlocking equipment if it was harder to do that method than the one that existed in the first place

Hmm yess would I like to level up to 150 within ~30 hours or get 1000 kills as a recon I wonder which one i'll choose

thats just how i see it atleast.

[vivid ice]

1000 kills could be done in that time... but not 500m kills

[craggy tusk]

yup, i just forgot to add that detail mb

[patent fjord]

Different armor cosmetics are locked behind challenges

You wont get some cosmetics from leveling up

[craggy tusk]

If it is diff armor cosmetics then yeah sure

[vivid ice]

the post says
not only to cosmetics but also to gameplay elements

so no its not just cosmetics

[patent fjord]

I wouldnt take anything the devs say too literally.

There is sometimes a language barrier

I think in this case he means that the challenges can unlock gameplay elements, not that gameplay elements are locked behind challenges

[woeful portal]

idk if this is out there yet but is anyone else having a problem with the new sniper trail they added?

my playstyle revolves around stealth sniping, I just feel like I can't even enjoy this anymore thanks to the new update

it's too obvious, it doesn't make sense why a caliber of that size would emit such a potent gas trail, maybe if it was a mortar or a 50cal then yeah it would make sense

I'm not saying it's a very bad addition, it has its plusses like making it easier to counter snipe, more punishing gunplay etc.

im just saying, maybe it could be better for those like me who like to immerse themselves and feel like a solo stealth sniper dude. Maybe reduce the visibility of the trail making it so that only people who really pay attention can notice

[craggy tusk]

there should be a attachment that makes it much harder to spot at the cost of recoil, ads time, or something similar.

[hardy pulsar]

1000 kills past 500 meters???

Oki why

Like 1000 kills is one thing, but past 500 meters? That's so bad

1000 kills already takes forever bruh, like come on.

[hardy pulsar]

Also, challenges for unlocking gear that can be unlocked by just leveling up shouldn't be hard imo. They should be interesting, but not hard

Like it should take a minute, but not too crazy long. If I like a piece of gear enough to dog after it before getting it with leveling up, it shouldn't be an an odyssey just to get the gear imo.

[vivid ice]

long challenges would only benefit those who go for prestige, shorter ones would give a more direct way of unlocking things for the class you like playing

[jade adder]

Having them be unlocked after prestige is appealing, but 1000 kills past 500 meters is too challenging of a requirement imo, for only a few extra mags.

[vestal ravine]

read people, read
it's optional ffs

[craggy tusk]

The point isn't if it's optional or not, the point is if it takes so much longer than the alternative than why the hell would you do it this way anyway

What would be the point

[vestal ravine]

having your unlock be permanent, through prestiges

very much worth it

[craggy tusk]

Mmmm maybe

[vestal ravine]

having an as val from the start and something else than exo until lvl 35 will definitely be worth it

[vivid ice]

the example challenge wouldnt be worth it for your average player who probably wont go prestige

basically saying that wouldnt it be better for the challenges to be more inviting for everyone, rather than just a fraction of the playerbase

[kindred dirge]

Feedback: A couple toxic extremists in chat reported me for disagreeing with their opinions (which they claimed to be "facts") and fortunately nothing came from it. Thank you for having a sane in-game moderation policy. ❤️

[carmine granite]

I'm gonna be honest 1000 kills for a ranger vest on recon is so very stupid along with now losing all my equipment and now having to complete dumb challenges when I already worked to reach lvl 200 to earn it all this should have been a change that happened way sooner

now I have to start again play with awful armor that actually makes me dislike playing the game

Like to get normal armor on support am I going to need to kill 10000 people and supply 100000 ammo I will just quit

you made lvl grind not as bad recently so why just reverse all that work by making tasks that are a time bloat

ohhhhhhh nvm I reverse what I said I didn't see the "Alternative" in the example given

I'm fine with it

[hardy pulsar]

Yea, it seems like it's more long term

Which I'm ok with. 1000 kills beyond 500 is still silly imo though lol. Beyond 200 would be better

[orchid spade]

Really need to have a Squadlead option. So many people dont know what a rally point is

[buoyant dragon]

I logged into the game after a long hiatus and I am very surprised you still can't edit your loadout or character from the main menu. I know that people will say "devs are focused on the actual gameplay, not stuff like this", but consider that a large part of the loop in fps games is unlocking new attachments and guns. The fact that you need to join a server to even see any of your progression is very strange. I like to edit that stuff in the menu and join a game ready to roll. Instead I am not helping my team for the first few minutes of a match because I'm checking how many kills I need to unlock X gun or changing my attachments around. This should be a high-priority QoL feature and it's concerning to me that it hasn't been implemented yet.

[low linden]

It's also crazy that gun loadouts still don't preserve across prestiges

I understand the issue with role customization (can't equip c4 without c4 unlocked) but there's no reason why I should have to redo the attachments on my guns again.

It sounds petty, but given how many different guns there are, the time adds up and it's extremely annoying

It's also wild that we can't store different loadouts per gun, e.g. I want an AUG with a non-Slip scope for Night maps, I want uptime attachments or range attachments on other guns depending on the map, etc.

I don't want to have to go through all that clicking to make the switch and switch back each time. Saved loadouts would still require clicks to switch but far fewer of them. Another small but constantly irritating element of overhead

[summer mortar]

thing is, they aren't focused on the actual gameplay

they're focused on skins, lmao

[low linden]

Charm system looks nice but they really shouldn't be a priority while massive QoL holes exist in the core experience

[warm vault]

also can it be fixed where a tank dies if it goes into tread deep water?

i blew it up but still

[floral gyro]

Yeah, it's simply a mechanic to make playing tanks even more less fun. Especially when game does not tell you at all that you can't go into the deep water

[summer mortar]

deep water is one thing

this is like a kiddie pool

[warm vault]

i mean, tanks can snorkle up to their turret/the very top of the deck like a hmmv can go up to its windows

so it definetly is annoying, especially since it just EjEcTs you out

[floral gyro]

it also makes vehcile unable to be used becouse of some fucking puddle

[fierce wigeon]

please allow the ability to hit sprint to cancel your ADS

[warm vault]

also on a tangent, the scopes elevation bugs me a little, it goes 50, 100, 200, and then 250 and up by 50 every other time, why does 150 not exist as a scope elevation

at least for the medium scopes

[nocturne galleon]

the captain class should be removed from Statistics since it's no longer viable and gives no valid data, imo

[daring ibex]

in dev's asking about damage over distance
what you should do is make hitboxes and models smaller not change damage over distance it will make people harder to hit especially while moving on big distances and another benefit to this is the game will have nicer graphics

[rocky spruce]

Kind of super late to the party when it comes to dev-asking; but what you're asking for is the bullet models and hitboxes to shring over distance? Like a needle over distance??

[daring ibex]

no

make models smaller

dont change dmg over distance

[rocky spruce]

That's the only way this make sense because you can't make player models and hitboxes smaller.

You would have to apply this to the projectile.

[daring ibex]

are you sure you can read? make projectiles smaller 😄 whats the difference... big or small pls explain

[rocky spruce]

You don't really specify anything and expect who ever is reading to decipher what you mean.

Your over simplified explanation means so many things, do you want the bullets to get smaller or the player models to get smaller over distance ?

Diameter, the caliber, the size of them; not the damage.

[daring ibex]

sigh

i give up

[unreal condor]

I'm sure it's been talked about a lot before but being able to edit your loadouts outside of a game would sure be great

[warm vault]

why can a quad push a LAV

i just got turned around in a BTR beacuse i got rammed by a fucking quad

[umbral yoke]

wut? Xd

[stoic spruce]

It should be possible for leaders to select a target when the new game is about to begin, as sometimes you have few options and every team has the same point to attack chosen.

[floral gyro]

Wait till other BTR's start shooting at you lol. You will become fidget spinner

[warm vault]

i noticed that too, its bullcrap

[summer mortar]

still not fixed btw

the game has been out for half a year btw

his only priority atm is skins btw

[warm vault]

well it is 3 dudes, so thats kinda fine, because they need to advertise. but also yeah, is a decently annoying issue

[summer mortar]

no, it's not "kinda fine"

it's not fine at all, in fact

you don't need to have a massive dev team to not have fucked up priorities

the game wouldn't be struggling nearly as much with player retention if they fixed the issues with the game instead of focusing on vanity

[stoic spruce]

do you think this issue should be high priority? there are very few people impacted, always taking a tank and noticing that this occurs pretty often

[summer mortar]

it should be way fucking higher priority than skins

vehicles have been awful since day 1

[warm vault]

the devs also made it clear that vehicles were not a priority, and as much as i do agree with you that it hurts retention, new players are more profit.

and that sucks as a player that really likes the game

but money

[summer mortar]

what new player is thinking "oh man, this game has skins, i better go play it"

[warm vault]

they see the streamer playing the game and get the skin drop offer and download the game, yes.

[summer mortar]

lmao, no

not a single person has downloaded a game just because they got a twitch drop for it

[rocky spruce]

I'm still blocked by oki after 🥱'ing the #dev-wip message post.

Priorities, aren't his strongest virtue and he doesn't like to be reminded..

[noble quiver]

lmfao

[pine pike]

Why haven't Heat Explosive RPG's been nerfed yet?
You butcher snipers & general gunplay with bullet trails. But leave Heat Explosive RPG spam alone ...?
Tell me you noobtubed in MW2 without telling me you noobtubed in MW2

[summer mortar]

good question!

[warm vault]

You might be surprised, but regardless the exposure can only help the game get more people

[floral gyro]

The only nerf HEAT needs, if needed at all, is in AT role, balanced out by slight buff in L vehicles damage

[summer mortar]

you might be surprised, but no one will stream the game if no one wants to play it, and no one is going to buy the game just because they got an ugly twitch drop for it, lmao

[warm vault]

then why promote the game at all? let it languish with less and less players until it gets shut down in 6 months

[summer mortar]

you might not believe this but you can promote the game while also fixing its problems

if you promote the game while the game sucks, guess what? people don't stick around

fucking idiot

[warm vault]

we are also talking about a team of 3 people

not EA or Acti/bliz/king

[summer mortar]

nooo you don't heckin understand it's just 3 people they can't fix the game's problems

take a hike dude

you are a suck up and a dickrider

[warm vault]

ther are only so many things they can do, and i dont like that they are focusing on cosmetic nonsens either , but what are WE ultimately going to do about it besides argue while nothing gets done anyway

[warm vault]

says the one hurling insults >.>

[summer mortar]

there was an attempt at something here

[summer mortar]

it's pretty simple, im just going to not play it until it stops being shit

and i wager that's the stance of most people in this server

it's a shame because i poured hundreds of hours into the game and had a blast, but like, not only have the issues not been getting fixed, the game has actively been getting worse

[warm vault]

well then let it die lol, i quit eve online for the same reasons youre mentioning

also if you look at the intention, the game is not entirely what the devs even wanted in the first place

[summer mortar]

so in your mind there are only 2 options

1. be a cocksucker and act like the devs can do no wrong because heckin wholesome 3 dev studio
2. just let it be

but what if i told you there was a third option

and it was called Voicing Your Concerns

[warm vault]

its a lack of resources and man power not that you seem tu understand how not having enough workers to do things

i voiced my concerns, you say they are invalid, i mention why i think that way and you berate me, of course

i never said they can do no wrong either, i just understand lack of resources

[summer mortar]

did you know that the attachment rework was outsourced to other people so your heckin precious 3 man studio didn't have to work on it and could focus on other things

you might not believe this but other things could be outsourced as well! such as skins!

[warm vault]

outsourcing is a resource to use yes

[summer mortar]

they absolutely weren't struggling with money once the game launched

now that no one is playing it, they might be running out, but like, you reap what you sow, lmao

[warm vault]

do you know how expensive it is to host servers

internationla server clusters no less

and those workers that they outsourced the attachement rebalances cost money too

[summer mortar]

do you know how much money you make from selling 2 million copies of a game

let's be generous and say it was 10 dollars on average (even though the price is 15 dollars baseline)

that's still 20 million dollars

[warm vault]

2000000*16.50

because tax exists

[azure osprey]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[warm vault]

then take 30% because of steam

[summer mortar]

even after the taxes and the steam cut that's still 11,022,000 dollars at LEAST

now, are you going to tell me that hosting "muh international server clusters" costs this much? and they can't afford to actually fix the game?

[warm vault]

im not running down a buisness expense sheet in a discord argument but yes, they are really damn expensive

[summer mortar]

lmao

you really are a fucking tosser

[warm vault]

because they are rented

[stoic spruce]

it's not like this lol, actual players want to earn some skins, so they watch it, making higher numbers on twitch, so new/coming back players can see this game is alive and might be interested playing it

[vestal ravine]

it's not just money btw
time is very much important

[warm vault]

hmm interesting, ive always seen twitch as more of an """exposure""" generator i did not think like that

[summer mortar]

"they watch it"
no they don't, they leave it running in the background
"making higher numbers on twitch"
and what happens once there are no more drops? the numbers drop to 0
"so new/coming back players can see this game is alive"
lmao
"coming back players can see this game and might be interested in playing it"
if you weren't interested in continuing to play it to begin with, seeing some loser's twitch stream isn't going to convince you

[warm vault]

youtube videos have changed my opinion

[summer mortar]

that's nice dear

[summer mortar]

it is, hence why the attachment rework was outsourced so oki could focus on other things

too bad those "other things" weren't fixing the game, and instead making it actively worse + skins

[stoic spruce]

well, there is higher change of coming back to this game or starting playing first time, when you see some people are playing/watching

[summer mortar]

if you're capable of any critical thought whatsoever, you're going to notice that there are drops, and that the numbers are artificially inflated by people having the stream running in the background so their monkey brain gets a dopamine hit from Acquiring a Thing

not because people are actually interested in watching the game

[vestal ravine]

every change he has made where good or got improved upon basically immediately after
like come on

[stoic spruce]

it doesn't matter that much, numbers are higher and other players see more 'people' on it

[summer mortar]

lmao focused audio
lmao sniper trails
lmao med scope glint
lmao 3d spotting wallhacks

"erm but akshualy development time was wasted on having to fix 3d spotting wallhacks after wasting time implementing them in the first place, so it's all good"

[wet swan]

3d spotting has been improved almost immediately after tho

[summer mortar]

1 step back, 1 step forward. back to square one

[vestal ravine]

i mean
you can just be an ass about it
you can just doom all over the place while still playing

[wet swan]

ye but if you don't take steps you will never improve the game

[vestal ravine]

but like, that doesn't help you nor the devs

[wet swan]

test sth decide if it's worth keeping and revert if necessary

[summer mortar]

maybe steps should be taken towards addressing the most glaring problems with the game (like C4 and vehicles) instead of skins

[vestal ravine]

ah yes c4 is the reason why people are leaving the game 💯

[summer mortar]

glaring balance problems definitely aren't going to turn off anyone from playing the game, nope, no sir

C4 has been blatantly overpowered since day one. is it going to, by itself, make someone stop playing? no. but poor balance definitely doesn't help in regards to player retention

you've said it yourself, time is very important. so why would someone continue wasting their time by playing a subpar game with massive problems that are getting ignored, instead of doing, iunno, anything else? once the novelty wears off, there's no real reason to keep playing

[warm vault]

i do not really geet killed with it so what do you mean? its too powerful

[sick terrace]

Please add more information to servers in the server browser, e.g. time elapsed/remaining, current score, map name, etc. it is incredibly annoying to keep joining servers right as the game ends. another issue with this is when this happens, it seems that even tho you can click the voting buttons, it doesn't count your vote.

[sick terrace]

i posted this in "Performance issue", but wasn't sure if that was the right place, has anybody else been noticing this?:

looks like this might not be an active thread anymore, but not sure where else i should post this. i've noticed in the last few weeks, probably since the 2.2.2 udpate i think, that i'm encountering pretty severe, frequent frame hitching/dropping/glitching/whatever you wanna call it, like the game briefly freezes for a few frames or something. i thought it was maybe related to certain actions/events happening in the game, but it seems random from my observations. i'll try to post a clip here if i have one with it occurring. i've tried messing with graphics settings, everything's up to date on my pc, i've tried un/reinstalling the game, nothing seems to fix it.

[round zenith]

Enemy gun sounds are (still) broken. They sound like they're right in front of me. The goal of the feature was to enhance awareness of gunfire location, but it's done the opposite.

[worldly silo]

Honestly I dont really have anything to complain about. The game is fun, it reminds me a lot of when I was in high school and college playing battlefield 4 with friends. my only request is for something like a javelin for anti tank stuff with engineer, and a strela/igla/stinger for anti air with engineer.

[summer mortar]

yes, we need more braindead anti-vehicle tools

[half pebble]

Glad you agree

[vestal ravine]

yeah make it lock on to people too
we need more braindead 1sk weapons

[warm vault]

i could possibly see a one use MANPAD to lol choppers , but they spawn slowly and it would not be fun to have to dodge lockons

lockon to ground sounds good, but it would make tanks hell

a mortar would be better imo but it would be interesting to have to balance. it would have been a neat for squad leader to have had it lol

[vestal ravine]

hmm i wonder why people don't lock-ons
(surely not because vehicles are already really bad)

[floral gyro]

Play any BF in modern setting, and you will know why

They are braindead to use, hard to counter without counter measures, which are limited, and easily spammable

On 32v32 game size that is
It doesn't have that much to do with underwhelming vehicles

[wicked mica]

Being honest, vs helicopters in BF2042 they feel a touch useless

[floral gyro]

The thing is, you make AA lock-ons good-> air gameplay is bad and not fun, which is the worst thing game can have (bad and not fun gameplay)
You make AA lock ons bad-> air gameplay is borderline OP

So you suplement AA lock ons with AA guns, and everyone's happy

[balmy yoke]

Games of course not finished and has some issues but damn it's so fun when you're in the zone popping off like it makes me wanna unironically get mtn dew and Doritos and just shred things with a machinegun this games so fun when it clicks

[grand prawn]

Hey here, are there developers reading in here? I wanted to ask you if you're using prediction/rollback in the game, and if yes, which are you using, or did you write it yourself?

[vestal ravine]

the devs aren't reading this no

[still cedar]

If you ever need evidence that the devs don't look in the feedback chats, just check through the Support chat history

We straight up just memed for like a month and nobody said anything

[pearl mirage]

don't reset all attachments and weapon skins after prestige. I got tired of putting all weapon attachments again and again for 6 times already. That's my last prestige because just of this bullshit.

[wide tusk]

General map suggestion - Some of the whites on some maps are really intense compared to other maps. Zalfi bay for example, have to keep adjusting brightness, would be nice if they were toned down a little bit.

[balmy yoke]

Id love the option to mute people in text chat

[cerulean spruce]

can we have an sks guys

theres no weapon suggestion thread

[foggy pendant]

sks is planned, but yes, a single weapons suggestion thread would help

[wicked mica]

Agreed, we did have one

we also had a list of suggested weapons prior too

[rocky spruce]

I think they've listed all the weapons in modern service already, and that list had been filled they've got every possible gun suggestion and I doubt anyone can find very many more, unless something brand-new never heard of is adopted by a major power today, even some extraordinarily rare guns have gotten an mention like a dozen times.

They just need to bring back the list of suggested weapons and paste it into said gun thread, and lock it because there isn't any left besides variants and copies under another name.

[noble quiver]

is m16 still in service

any of the variants

[rocky spruce]

Sure, but it's probably already on that list right ?

[noble quiver]

assuming were talking about the same list i didnt see it

[rocky spruce]

I'm talking about the suggested weapons list and not the confirmed ones; basically during playtesting every possible gun was mentioned at least a few times and there's like a really long list of guns that's were already mentioned.. everything from before ww1 to experimental new ones.

[wicked mica]

I saw several members of the Armalite 15 family

in the list

but if it is remotely popular, well known or such, it was in that list

[rocky spruce]

Here i'll make that list without even having it on me, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_firearms

kek

[wicked mica]

I think this was the list, may not be the most up to date version

so I do see a M16 as well as the C7/C8 (I forget which is the one that always reminds me of a M16)

I see a M16A5 as well

[cerulean spruce]

there is no sks

[wicked mica]

SKS is in the confirmed list John

[cerulean spruce]

oh ok

i thought id have to lobby since its technically an older gun

i thought id have to argue for the tapco or some shit

can i have the confirmed list?

[wicked mica]

What I just posted was a version at least of the suggested list

confirmed list is on the wiki's weapon page

very bottom

[cerulean spruce]

oh ok

is there a non fandom wiki? or plans to move to another site?

[wicked mica]

You have the fandom & Wiki GG

[cerulean spruce]

oh ok

[wicked mica]

the staff & most of the guys on the discord moved to wiki gg

[cerulean spruce]

yeah alright that makes sense

i dont see it anywhere

the confirmed list

[wicked mica]

also @noble quiver incase you didn't see it, posted the old weapon suggested list above

[wicked mica]

fandom's 100% has it on the list

when I last checked

[cerulean spruce]

oh ok

i was looking at wiki gg

[wicked mica]

so

I see it there

as well

[cerulean spruce]

where?

i looked at the bottom of the weapon page on both

[wicked mica]

in the upcoming list like I told ya

[cerulean spruce]

how do i find it tho

its not there

[wicked mica]

...

[cerulean spruce]

can i have a link?

[wicked mica]

link sent

[cerulean spruce]

there is none

[wicked mica]

your PMs

[warm vault]

it is mostly the m4a1 for us service, plus the m4a1 is not 3 round burst like it has in game

a lot of the guns on that list are variants of the same platform as well

[warm vault]

game is not fun

smg are cancer

squad spawn is not fun

[floral gyro]

Yes it's not

I get like 6 guys materialising themselves near me once a game at least

[hardy pulsar]

Here's hoping we see @near ibex around these channels when things get hairy. Great update, looking forward to hearing more from you 😎👍👍.

Wanted to throw some positivity in here lol

Glad we've finally gotten some good communication. The tiny roadmap pic was great too. It's nice to know what to look forward to for sure

[summer mortar]

lmao

imagine thinking that any of them read the feedback threads

[hardy pulsar]

Doesn't hurt to be positive

[native ridge]

Yeah annoucement is great! 😄

[floral gyro]

But not being also doesn't hurts and it's free

[native ridge]

Well being mean/overly negative can hurt dev/community.

[summer mortar]

yeah, no

the most harmful thing that you can do is ignore the issues with the game and development cycle and pretend everything is hunky dory

games don't improve due to echo chambers and zealous yes men

and it's like, painfully obvious no one reads any of the feedback threads. the support thread was spammed with memes for like a month straight and no one gave a shit

[still cedar]

That period where we all spammed fix bipod memes was probably the most united any of these threads have ever been

[fossil sierra]

is it possible to make a supporter pack with all the recent twitch drop cosmetics? if not what a bout cosmetics sold separately from the youtubers (they could have creator codes or wtvr)

[native ridge]

Yeah, yes.

I said being "overly negative". I didn't say being blind to the issue of the game. All I'm saying, is you should avoid talking in an overly negative way. Not that you should stop yourself from telling the issues the game has.

It's been shown that they read the suggestion/feedback, sometimes respond in it, or that someone read it to them. If not, a massive amount of feature/update we got wouldn't have seen the day.

[native ridge]

The moderation of the thread is a problem. I can agree with that.

It's way too full of meme, sassy answers, or off topic. Should be way more serious to me.

Same for the style of thread that have titles like "If you don't add this or do that = dead game".

[summer mortar]

lmfao

[floral gyro]

Example: Vehicle thread was for 2 months most commented feedback thread ever. Nothing was added.
another one, people complain about snipers riles being bad except M200 and L96. What we got was series of undeserved nerfs to them and only recently they started working on sniper rifles. But hey, charms!

If they read it, they are suspiciously selective.

[native ridge]

or they just have a really small team that can't output the same amount of stuff that get posted here.

Spamming discussion in a thread won't make the feature magically get coded into the game.

[floral gyro]

I mean, sure. But we will get charms and comp mode before C4 nerf or squad sapawning rework

[native ridge]

We asked for glint modification, we got glint modification. We did not ask for trails, that's a thing sure.

[native ridge]

Yeah, some people asked for charms/more skins/cosmetics, etc too. But I do agree I would have prefered C4 and balance. But that's not us that decide this.

We're only here to suggest stuff and giveback. The studio decide what they do. If it badly impact the game, or it's a great ad. It's not our fault nor responsability.

I don't think it's negative to say stuff like "I wish update were faster, or this or this". But saying straight up thing like "game is dead if this isn't there by this time" or "They never listen or read the thread" is pure lies.

People don't want the same things, so of course it's bound to upset some others, and make some other happy

[floral gyro]

Yeah. The point is, they take away things seemingly at random, unless there is some drama around (LB nerf) and don't focus on what's in community mind is a problem. Like, C4 was seen as a problem by some in playtest, after release by majority, no changes. Same with squad spawning, no changes. Idk if 100 people asked for comp mode, but it's confirmed.

[native ridge]

Squad spawn as seen a few changes, like the "sight hitbox" to get spawnable or the nade thing. But it's not core change I do agree.

[floral gyro]

I don't even say anything about speed of those changes. They are already fast for 3 man team. But priorities are all over place, and in wrong ones mostly.

[native ridge]

Well I think Vehicle and interaction with them need an overhaul rework. But that's a big update.

[native ridge]

And that's fine to say it like that

[floral gyro]

that too, but we have more important concerns, that are still not adressed

[floral gyro]

We still can get 8 guys materialise out of thin air because of some rat in the dark far corner slightly out of cap border...

[native ridge]

yeah

[patent fjord]

They read the suggestion threads and might read some of the feedback threads, but it seems like they dont read others almost at all.

Vilaskis does read the map feedback threads though

[coral lotus]

is that battlebit or fornite ?

[blissful crow]

There was also the issue that they were pushing themselves to get out updates very frequently last year

I feel like with the sheer volume of balance/QOL changes that get asked for in here that would be easy to implement (probably), actually implementing them would result in a bunch of work on new features simply not getting done because they’d be too busy fine tuning all these little changes to make sure none of them affect the game in an unforeseen way

I’m rambling and kinda tired so maybe I’m not getting this across super clearly but w/e

[still cedar]

From a coding standpoint, some things would likely be amazingly easy to change. Most weapon stats are likely as easy as changing a couple numbers.

[patent fjord]

The hard part with weapon changes isnt the amount of time it takes to do them, its the time spent thinking about balance

[summer mortar]

what balance

tell me, what balance

why is the RSH still objectively worse than the deagle

why does the groza have the 2nd highest TTK in the game alongside virtually no recoil

UMP was toned down to have 600 firerate instead of 650 and it's fine now, literally why was not the same done for groza

[floral gyro]

Man, you are aksing uncomfortable questions

[patent fjord]

Neither of those things are problems. From what I have heard, the RSH is simply better than the deagle. I dont use either but this is coming from what I've heard from people who are good at the game. And if the groza is so OP why isnt it used? Can you think of any reason that someone might not want to use it? I'll remind you that ttk and recoil are not the only two things that effect the balance of a gun...

[summer mortar]

lmao

room temperature IQ right there

"RSH is simply better than the deagle"

[wet swan]

huh? i see the groza a ton and 80% of the time i get one framed its the groza

[floral gyro]

Groza is popular

[patent fjord]

Let me rephrase. If groza is OP, why isnt it meta? No good players use it. Also, one gun being kinda good does mean there is not balance in the game. If you think that youve lost the plot. Just look at how hard it is for other games to not have must pick weapons.

[summer mortar]

it is meta

even if it wasn't, your "ughhhh it takes so long to think about balance changes guys" argument is still dogshit

it does not take >7 months of thinking to address C4 being what it is

[patent fjord]

Groza is used by new players and people who suck at the game. Meta players use different guns.

And I didnt say it takes so long to think of balance changes, I said that it takes time to think of balance changes. Your own message is an example of this. It's easy enough to state a problem, but finding a good solution to it that doesnt break the meta takes time.

Time that's currently mostly being spent on developing new stuff.

[wet swan]

have also seen top players use it

(top players in the lobby)

[patent fjord]

You can top the lobby with any gun in this game, this is because guns are pretty well balanced.

And EVEN IF it was meta, that's a pretty far cry from "Groza so OP game has no balance"

[wet swan]

not arguing against that

[summer mortar]

like skins

fucking skins

over fixing the game

i also really like how you're laser focused on the groza because it would be a losing battle to try and argue that the RSH/deagle, C4, or vehicle balance in general aren't an issue

[craggy tusk]

i think getting something for players to get interested in to continue playing the game (like skins, new maps, or a dif gamemode) is more important than another balance change, especially when 90% of weapons are in pretty good shape. Just pushing small balance changes with whatever they've been working on for the last month has been going great, don't see why it's a huge issue now.

Rsh v deagle is up to playstyle (if i recall correctly, they both do semi-similar damage and have their own tradeoffs, such as rate of fire) and ultimately isn't a huge difference when in a gameplay setting. even if it was an issue, it's just a pistol at the end of the day, just pick one and adjust to work with it.

For C4 i can understand your frustration since it can seem unfair against the enemy in certain situations, especially when on vehicles in comparison to the damage output of rpgs. But honestly it depends on the playstyle of the player, and the risk the vehicle driver takes.

Getting closer to where an enemy could run from makes you more prone to a c4 rush, and staying still makes you a target for a rpg snipe. Try to avoid those two mistakes and you'll often keep your vehicle going for much longer than you'd think.

If rpgs did more damage than c4, every vehicle would just be rpg sniped. Atleast with c4 you can just back up a bit.

[craggy tusk]

This is either confirmation bias or exaggeration. Be realistic, you probably get killed by most smgs far more than a groza. While i do think getting one framed sucks, you could still try to adjust your playstyle to minimize it.

Not sure how you would combat one framing altogether besides lowering ttk overall for everything across the game tho

[craggy tusk]

If you think the groza is this good, why don't you use it then? And if you do, what would you change for it to be less op without making it unviable or identical to another weapon?

[craggy tusk]

This i agree with, but the rest sounds demeaning and/or is subjective to the players experience and knowledge about the game. I'd try to be more respectful but i can also see why you sound cynical lol

[craggy tusk]

I'm biased cuz I'm a fan but.. hella agree. I'll admit I'm not a coder but i can imagine their workflow alone wouldn't make constant balance brainstorming viable

[wet swan]

maybe not 80% but 60% seems realistic. I do not talk about getting killed in general but getting one framed (sniper excluded).
Talking about getting killed in general: if i loose a fair cqc its often against a groza

[craggy tusk]

If true I could definitely understand your frustration. I can't say I've seen the same rate, but that cold because we're at different skill levels. Perhaps it's a bigger issue at the higher end of play, i wouldn't know

I'd have to have the stats in front of me to make a decision on how i would nerf it (if at all)

[wet swan]

idk how i would nerf it either since i dont use it but its the only weapon i think needs a slight nerf rn

[craggy tusk]

Though you bring up a fight at cqc specifically, perhaps it's tradeoff is range effectiveness?

Like i said i don't have the stats in front of me

[wet swan]

i do not fight long range since i mostly use smgs (which should outperform the groza in cqc) so i dont get killed by grozas in those ranges often

[craggy tusk]

Yeah i agree that smg should probably outperform a rifle in cqc

Could be designed to be a smg counter tho, but with a groza that wouldn't make much sense

I don't have enough information to disprove you so I'll take your word for it

[still cedar]

C4 has a host of problems outside of vehicle damage, which have been brought up multiple times for a while now. Nothing has been changed except for the magnet range of C4.

[summer mortar]

no one is going to play the game because of skins

like you're actually delusional if you think that

[craggy tusk]

I have. Quite a couple of my friends play just because we have fun with skins

I grinded ak just cuz of the funny cat skin for awhile, it was a lot of fun actually

[summer mortar]

im sure that is very sustainable and more important than improving the core gameplay loop

nevermind the fact the playercount is <5k now

but yeah, a couple of idiots obsessing over shiny skins is definitely going to save the game

[craggy tusk]

Are you gonna counter anything I've said about the balance or are you just gonna complain about people liking skins

Im here to bounce ideas to improve the game not make enemies

[summer mortar]

rsh v deagle is not up to playstyle. the deagle has just objectively better stats
C4 does not "depend on the playstyle". it's just poorly balanced

[craggy tusk]

Stats aint everything, some people prefer firerate over damage

[summer mortar]

i think you should stop using "playstyle" as a catch all excuse for everything

[summer mortar]

firerate and damage are literally stats

you fucking troglodyte

[craggy tusk]

Haven't used it in awhile, apologies

Perhaps I'm thinking of the Unica then? I swear deagle had one of the slower firerates for higher calibers

Could be mistaken tho

If that's the case, yeah i think rsh should be buffed in some way to improve it's usefulness

But then again it's just a pistol, it's not the end of the world if one of them sucks

[summer mortar]

deagle has

• 2 more damage
• 1 less horizontal recoil
• 1.34 seconds shorter reload time (!!!)
• more ammo
  - 1 more vertical recoil
  - 50 less velocity (lol)
  - 10 less firerate (lmao)

[craggy tusk]

Yeah that's pretty rough

Thanks for telling me since i can't pull up the game rn, I've changed my mind about the rsh

[summer mortar]

like yeah, it's not that big of a deal, it's just a pistol, but there's no beating around the bush; the balance between the two is just bad

[craggy tusk]

I never said skins should be the only reason people play, far from it. But I'm also not saying they're a waste of time. As far as I know, a majority of the skin work is made by larry, whereas the others focus on the gameplay loop.

I do think that the changes that have been made recently to improve the gameplay have been hit or miss recently though

[summer mortar]

larry has been doing the skins themselves (like the ones you get from twitch drops), but oki has been overhauling/adding onto the skin system for quite sometime now

while things like vehicle balance goes woefully unaddressed

the priority is very wack

[craggy tusk]

I mean changing backend stuff to make development later easier doesn't sound too bad

BUT yeah what changes have been made to gameplay have been really rough

Sound update at first was horrible and still has the community split (i like it just cuz I'm deaf af but i understand why others don't)

[summer mortar]

pretty much all the recent updates have been "two steps back, one step forward"

[craggy tusk]

Adding more gamemodes instead of improving the existing ones seems kind of dumb

3d spotting is pretty great imo, atleast now it is

Snipers were nerfed into the ground but atleast people have kind of shut up about them so

[summer mortar]

yeah, but the wallhacks were like, really bad, and had to be fixed. same thing with the audio; terrible initial implementation, and time had to be spent on fixing it

[craggy tusk]

I kind of agree. I still got hopium in my veins though, especially with a new sound guy hired

[summer mortar]

i do hope the game gets on the right track but man, is it hard to be optimistic when it's been over 7 months and there have been no vehicle or C4 changes

well, asides from littlebird getting gutted

[craggy tusk]

I think the biggest issue the devs have had with current implementation is not enough feedback from people outside of discord. Getting playtesting working would change so much

The feedback channels probably aren't gonna be used for much change anymore, but atleast they're here to congregate people to discuss stuff

Also adding further incentive to play as a team or play for objectives would be better

Current meta is to get as many kills as possible instead of actually playing the gamemode, and Squad leader is basically useless

I don't know if xp incentive would change that. Would have to be something better

Sorry if i don't make much sense, I haven't slept. Trying my best to get my ideas out

[summer mortar]

i think the main issue is that the feedback threads were just never read, ever

the map voting channel was overwhelmingly in favor of mario kart style voting. and yet it was removed, because oki wanted to "experiment"

everyone posting in these threads, including myself, is just crying in the rain

[craggy tusk]

Maybe one day we'll be heard. Honestly I'm just here to get a second opinion on what should be changed

I'm sure these were more important before release, or shortly after. That feels so long ago now though so i can't say for sure

[native ridge]

SL actually get a massive amount of XP if you play it right.

[native ridge]

Agree on this

[native ridge]

I think they said, they're planning on doing some sort of ingame polls or stuff like that for more feedback from players.

[craggy tusk]

That would be great

That in combination with playtest would do so much

I really think they're going in a good direction, it's just that they're racing against the clock in relevancy

Really hoping that sound update somehow gets some new coverage on the game

[wet swan]

they also said that they are going to use the tester role in the future

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[half pebble]

RSH is better ur dogshit

sorry kid

Wow less H recoil!!! ok at least it doesn't cover my entire screen so I can actually chain kills

but IK you wouldn't know what chaining kills means

[summer mortar]

u chain more kills with the deagle because you have more bullets before you have to reload

dumbfuck

[patent fjord]

Its funny how you act like that isnt balance

A valid reason to pick one gun over the other doesnt count

[summer mortar]

ive never had an issue with the deagle covering up my screen

and statistically it's objectively better

go back in your hole

[patent fjord]

"u chain more kills with the deagle because you have more bullets before you have to reload"

"and statistically it's objectively better"

PLEASE stop being stupid

im begging you

[summer mortar]

uh yes?

it has more bullets, more damage, and a shorter reload

it's objectively better for getting multikills, lmao

"covering my entire screen" isn't a measurable statistic

[patent fjord]

Why do you think that damage and fire rate are the only things that play into a weapon's balance? You yourself admit that its better at some things and worse at others. That's exactly what we want out of weapon balance.

[summer mortar]

man, you're fucking dense

160 vs 150 firerate does not justify all the downsides the RSH has compared to the deagle

[patent fjord]

"it has more bullets, more damage, and a shorter reload
it's objectively better for getting multikills, lmao"

So maybe if you want to chain multikills you would pick it then???

Do you know what the word niche means?

[summer mortar]

do you have brain damage?

the deagle has more bullets, more damage, and a shorter reload

[patent fjord]

I asked you so nicely to stop being stupid and youre still doing it.

[summer mortar]

the RSH has 10 more firerate and 50 more velocity

[patent fjord]

Please stop man

[summer mortar]

i genuinely don't know what you're trying to get at lmao

the deagle is just better. multikills or not

like are you having an aneurysm?

[summer mortar]

i felt like being really fair and reasonable so i went into the shooting range for this

[vestal ravine]

5rnds vs 7rnds
slow vs fast

[vestal ravine]

pretty easy

[summer mortar]

the deagle DOES cover up more of your screen, but like, ive never had an issue with it

it's really a non-issue if you have object permanence

[half pebble]

idk deagle is physically unusable for me bc it covering that whole bottom means anything beyond 50 meters can go in any direction and vanish under big ass gun that takes a while to reset

[balmy yoke]

I dont see a training range feedback thread so.

I think it'd be a small nice QOL to have a rangefinder in the training range as an option like noclip or daynight. since the rangefinder attachment slightly messes with the control stat. could make for easier testing of loadouts?

[eager lichen]

Can we please have a warmup period while waiting for players to join, and let us run around in the map

Its hard to get players lately to stay in server and start a match, i believe a warmup muck around would alleviate this issue.

and possibly infinite squad points

to practice with

until the game starts properly

[native ridge]

Control stats doesn't matter.

[forest atlas]

ye thats for long range scopes ithink xd

is there any statement if a permanent crosshair is gonna come ? would help tons with preaiming so maybe dont on dmrs and snips

[wild sluice]

Are we experiencing detail creep in the game?
Looking at the new attachment models etc, they look cool. I have a high end PC so it doesnt matter to me, but isn't BBR supposed to be low poly?
As far as I can tell, most "reworks" has been making stuff more detailed, more textured. Wonder if the game is running worse and worse on low-end systems.

Again, it doesnt matter to my gameplay experience, but just wondering if this slow increase in details happening in all visual aspects of the game, is taking a toll on the people without good PCs.

[native ridge]

IIRC nope. Accuracy and Control are for hipfire barrel alignement and precision on hipfire at really long distance. So doesn't matter.

[native ridge]

It's still low poly. It's just well made and clean 💀

That level of detail shouldn't impact much the game tbh

[warm vault]

control stat only effects the scope sway iirc

[native ridge]

Nope. I think it was said by Moukwa. But it's Control = barrel sway during movement for hipfire. And Accuracy is hipfire accuracy at really long distance? 🤔

Both effect are so low, it's not even worth looking at them.

Consider them useless or not implemented basically

[native ridge]

ADS Sway was proven to not change whatever the control stats you have.

[warm vault]

that doesnt make a lot of sense to me, but ive seen lots of pointless stats in other games

[native ridge]

Yeah they don't make sense, I can agree with that.

[warm vault]

although that does make sense for EVERY weapon having them as stats

still wierd as fuck lol

[warm vault]

goobie is just a spicy boi, he was coming at me in a different thread, the points are valid occasionally, and i understand the frustration. but yeah he gets into it

[patent fjord]

I wasnt asking him to stop being spicy, I was asking him to stop being stupid

which he just refuses to do for some reason

[warm vault]

i mean, im ppretty stupid too

[still cedar]

Because that's such a good way to convince someone to do something

[wild sluice]

Control stat does literally nothing.
Ox1, or whatever the guy who did the attachment rework is called, got confirmation from Oki on it. It's currently a dead stat. Accuracy is also broken, and only works in hipfire.

[balmy yoke]

Jeeze let me chat mute these toxic people i see in game already

we got voice mute but i cant censor their typed messages

[warm vault]

this game gives me tha same feeling of disappointment that warthunder does

[still cedar]

I'mma be real with you chief, this game has been so much less frustrating than War Thunder. The devs do actually listen to the community, unlike Gaijin. They just can only do so much with 3 dudes.

And I don't have to deal with CAS every time I kill someone

[floral gyro]

And that's a shame. Attack choppers would fit this game really well.

[still cedar]

They... already kinda have attack choppers? And I was mostly talking about planes.

[floral gyro]

LB is far from attack chopper

Planes tho, I hope, but game is too small😭

[still cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/hallelujah-gif-gif-26301934

Me when the suggestions thing specifically says no planes and no rockets

[floral gyro]

Littlebird with few guys with RPG's 😏

[still cedar]

See, I can counter that with one lmg

War Thunder made me angry because unless you were playing America, there was nothing you could do except run away

[floral gyro]

I mean, sure, IF you refuse to use AA then yes

Or use fighters for Air spuremacy

[still cedar]

I played War Thunder for the tanks

Not having to occasionally switch to an aa gun or fighter every fight to get rid of the 5 different attacker/bombers that spawned in

[floral gyro]

Well, that's the first thing you did wrong. WT is not 'tanks game' , that's WOT, WT is combined arms game

[still cedar]

They had air battles only, they totally could have added ground only

Forgive me for not wanting to play the arcadey tank game

[wicked mica]

decided to reread it

I got a question in my head

it said nothing prior to 1960s

we got the FAL(1953) & the SKS(1949) is supposedly coming

[forest atlas]

lol, boy got em bigtimes :D sth like pointing out the flaws make the truth shine brighter

[daring ibex]

Not sure if there is already a topic for this and ill b honest i think the thread list needs to be simplified. Its a bit unrealistic to ask people to scroll through a list this long to find an appropriate category. Simplify this list puhleaaase

[round zenith]

in case this has been forgotten through the Holidays.

[warm vault]

Not the devs, the players.

Also I personally quit war thunder ground anything because it's played the fuck out and there is very little you can do on multiple maps against a "PrOpErLy PoSiTiOnEd" spawn camper

[blissful crow]

Part of the reason they look like that is the viewport settings in blender

when larry was showing off the new skin system before it got implemented, the gun models he was using to showcase them were similarly crisp-looking

they just look different when rendered in blender vs. in unity

[wild sluice]

I was speaking in a broader sense than just the latest attachment updates, but for all visual "upgrades" in the game. As none of them seem like "improving the current low-poly style", but rather "improving the graphics by making everything higher polycount/resolution".

Hope what you say is true, but I'm still worried that the gradual increase in visual fidelity will hurt people who plays on potatoes.

[forest atlas]

game is loosing players since the dmr patch and if things move forward like that, ill also be moving on. Not having any official posts on how work is going is a big part for me. Lots was promised but only a couple zhings were actually done. and even worse the main game was basically put into "beta-branch" with the audio update. Why update your main game if the thing isnt even half baked? Buffing Dmr's without any glint or bullet tracer additions is a fucking insult to every full-auto weapon player and made the "not knowing where u got sniped from" even worse. This game gives me Cubeworld vibes atm... Dude had an alpha with a proper gameplay loop and then stopped posting anything for 2 years, the beta had an entirely different gameplay loop and the community as super upset, now hes incognito again... :/ i dont know what part of the community gets heard but it feels like its the wrong one. hopefully the community manager helps to clearn things up. instead of asking on reddit(what ive heard) you should have done ingame votings(or hyperlinks to a website) or a ping on discord when a voting opens...

[native ridge]

~~Right, I think we should add glint and tracer on any weapon with any medium scope. It just make sense. ~~

[half pebble]

.

[half pebble]

Oki is listening

[floral gyro]

That would be in character

[craggy tusk]

A dmr is put in the sniper category in nearly every shooter because of it's effective range. It's faster rate and quick ttk makes it really hard to counter

Combined with it's absence of nerfs added to traditional snipers make it the obvious choice.

When you can one shot headshot and two/three body shot at any range, why not use it instead of any sniper?

Before someone says "erm you can't 2 shot on body" just go use the m110 and test it yourself against traditional armor

The sks in certain circumstances can kill even faster because of it's faster fire rate too. Try to react to that when you cross a sightline and see how it goes

In conclusion: fuck dmrs

[vestal ravine]

they have fall off, and it's rather noticable too

[craggy tusk]

Yeah after 200 meters maybe

But at that point just hit a headshot

[vestal ravine]

yes, 200m

[craggy tusk]

So that incentives it to be used at closer ranges where it's even easier to hit successive shots

[vestal ravine]

do the same with snipers and then you can actually kill easily at all ranges

[craggy tusk]

Yes but a sniper has a glint and a bolting

If you miss you're probably not gonna get a second chance

[half pebble]

But... You can't oneshot head or two shot armor

M110 is literally the only 2 shot body and specifically only against no armor

[craggy tusk]

I must be mistaken then. I apologize if that's the case

I believe light armor was still the same case

But i could again be mistaken

[half pebble]

If you hit a headshot maybe

It's 51 damage base with a 1.7x head multiplier

[craggy tusk]

Realistically not everyone is full health though so I still think my point stands

Most are at 80-90% from what I've seen

Dude to how bandages just heal 50 and it's a waste if it stops only 1 extra bullet

Thank you for fact checking me though i don't want to spread misinformation

[half pebble]

The real issue is that maps cater hard to 100-200m sightlines where dmrs excel

[craggy tusk]

Really good point yeah

[half pebble]

In a vacuum they're no better than an AR and on average have worse stats on anything that isn't damage

[craggy tusk]

How would you change dmrs?

You seem to know the numbers better than I

[half pebble]

Mess with their recoil prolly

Bring them back to old values

[craggy tusk]

True...

[half pebble]

---------- MK20 ----------

• Damage increased, from 45 to 47
• Vertical recoil reduced, from 3.3 to 1.2
• Horizontal recoil increased, from 1 to 1.5
• Velocity increased, from 800 to 1100
• Firerate increased, from 325 to 350
• ADS time reduced, from 0.35s to 0.3s
• Running speed increased, from 0.95 to 0.96
• Reload speed reduced, from 1 to 0.85 (3.2s to 3.76s)
• Starting magazines reduced, from 3 to 2

---------- M110 ----------

• Damage increased, from 49 to 51
• Vertical recoil reduced, from 3 to 1.5
• Horizontal recoil increased, from 1 to 2.5
• Velocity increased, from 800 to 1000
• Reduce firerate, from 350 to 300
• Control reduced, from 0.57 to 0.54 (Weight 2.11)
• Reload speed reduced from 1 to 0.85 (3.33s to 3.92s)
• Starting magazines reduced, from 3 to 1

---------- MK14 EBR ----------

• Vertical recoil reduced, from 2.2 to 1.3
• Horizontal recoil increased from 1 to 1.2
• First shot kick increased, from 1 to 1.5
• Velocity increased, from 700 to 900
• Control increased, from 0.57 to 0.68 (Weight 1.62)
• ADS time reduced, from 0.3s to 0.28s
• Starting magazines reduced, from 3 to 2

---------- SVD ----------

• Damage reduced, from 42 to 41
• Vertical recoil reduced, from 1.8 to 1.4
• Horizontal recoil reduced, from 1.3 to 1.1
• Velocity increased, from 740 to 950
• Control increased, from 0.57 to 0.65 (Weight 1.725)
• ADS time reduced, from 0.3 to 0.28
• Reload speed reduced, from 1 to 0.8 (3.37s to 4.21s)
• Starting magazines reduced, from 3 to 2

That was the dmr patch

[tawdry warren]

should be 1.5

[craggy tusk]

These changes are insane bruh

[half pebble]

U right

[craggy tusk]

They were fine before just a lil underpowered

I'm conflicted about 1.5 but then again the head is literally a giant square

It would change so much u think

I think*

[half pebble]

No the HS multiplier is 1.5 I think 1.7 is only snipers

[craggy tusk]

Mmm maybe 1.5 for dmrs

Bolt action i disagree

[tawdry warren]

1.9

[craggy tusk]

You're insane

[tawdry warren]

not 2 or 1.8 fuckin 1.9

[half pebble]

Gah damn hold up I got the doc somewhere

[craggy tusk]

There's no way

[tawdry warren]

everything except snipers and pistols 1.5

pistols 1.2

snipes 1.9

actually smgs 1.2

global headshot nerf ptsd

[craggy tusk]

https://media.tenor.com/tNfzy9M48V8AAAAM/skull-issues.gif

[half pebble]

Anyways

Dmrs used to be hella mid

Then when they became usable at 200m they dominated

[floral gyro]

'hella mid' is a understatement. They were bad, not terrible, just bad. Outperformed on thier intended ranges by current BR's

[tranquil sail]

remove suicide c4 penalty

[hardy pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-crawling-tired-gif-11883184

Me trying to make it to the next update

Plz big update soon. Me no wanna play atm

game bad smh

[winter night]

Players shouldn't be allowed to build inside their safe zones just like they can't on points.
It only promotes bad playstyle of camping which often doesn't have any real counter.

In general it can be anoying when there are 5 snipers playing in their safe zone where you cant reach them. Usual 500m+ sniping is annoying too but at least you can always go up to them and kill them. When they are all in safe zone you can kill couple of them but they will awlways get safely reviewd.

Beside disallowing building inside safe zones, there should be other ways in which players should be punished for camping inside safe zone but I don't have any exact ideas besides map desgin.

[NOTE]: When I say safe zone I don't mean actual safe zone where players spawn. But all the area around team's spawn point where enemies can't enter for more then 10 seconds.

[forest atlas]

+1 for tanks and lavs camping

[floral gyro]

Explain what you mean by tanks and LAV's camping

[stable gorge]

dealing with camping vehicles is so easy tho, just use a drone with c4

[warm vault]

i assume schrsch is talking about safezone camping

[floral gyro]

Yeah, I get that. But in my expirience, this may range from afking in base, ressuplying, RTB, fighting off spawn lock, or fighting for first point, on range of 80 meters, which definitely isn't camping. I hardly doubt people seriously mean those extremely rare situations when someone sits in blue/red zone for 20 min straight
I also seen people standing between first and secodn point being called 'spawn campers' even though they were hundreds of meters from safe zone.
People just use is as a boogeyman umbrella term at any vehicle outside C4 range it seems

[wild sluice]

This absolute would fucking suck if you get spawn camped.
Or what if you wanted to make a path up to a high ground from spawn or something?

I'd rather see damage to constructions actually be consistent. Right now LAVs are super broken at taking down player built constructions.
You can fire tank shells and RPGs at them and hardly do damage.
If we had better tools for consistently dealing with damage, and maybe slowing down snipers build speed or something, it would work better.

I have yet to see any good takes from anyone when it comes to dealing with vehicles and snipers camping in spawn.
It 100% is a problem that you can camp in spawn so well atm, but I still have to see someone come up with ideas that don't fall flat.

[floral gyro]

LAV's damage to player construction is a joke honestly. I requires too much ammo to take down one sandbag. Tank shells even more so

[warm vault]

an ap shell would remove a stacked sand bag "wall" like you can build

it would do serious fuck onto hesco too

[craggy tusk]

Maybe the map should be designed so you don't get spawn camped in the first place... :3

But yeah i agree the damage is very inconsistent

[floral gyro]

But that's a part of every map design. How could that be ommited.

[wild sluice]

Map design in BBR is famously pretty bad, they should look into getting at least one more level designer to help challenge some of Vilaskis' bad design decisions (imo).. cause there is a lot of them (bad design decisions).

A LOT of problems with current BBR is due to bad map designs.
Baby Medic Mains with SMGs jacked up on energy drinks, adderall and ADHD whining about snipers shooting their low-skilled asses? Bad map design (and smg-medic mains being as the worst).
Vehicles allowed to sit on a mountaintop 700m back just shooting down at enemies? Bad map design.
Every match on X map just resulting in spawn-camping (read: Salhan)? Bad map design.

[tawdry warren]

Whining about smgs also peak bbr

[wild sluice]

Not whining about SMGs, just the speed medic mains ;)

[tawdry warren]

not whining about smgs
whines specifically about smgs

[floral gyro]

No he raises a valid complaint about speed medic/assault meta.
It's definitely over present type of gameplay, and negatively impact every experience that isn't running around with SMG/PDW in search of highest amount of kills

[patent fjord]

Can you show that thats true? How often do you die to smgs compared to other guns?

[stable gorge]

ump is a very popular choice for movement abusing tryhards idk how you haven’t noticed lol

[floral gyro]

Excluding explosives, its like 3 to 6 out of 10, depending on map (less on sandy/valey, more on Frugis/Lonovo etc.), mostly to UMP, MP7, Kriss for some reason recently, P90, Groza.

[patent fjord]

I am asking for actual data, not what you feel like is the amount

[wild sluice]

Sorry, I will clarify for you as you seem to have trouble with implications and indirect speech, I was talking about the players who refuse to engage with any gameplay other than abusing "high skilled" (read, not actually high skilled) movement tech and hates any playstyles other than "fast and rapid and quick and hurried and speedy movement" gamestyle.

[patent fjord]

In my experience whenever someone makes a claim like that they are basing it solely off of how they feel about the state of the game which is almost always skewed

[patent fjord]

This fact has exactly nothing to do with the claim

[tawdry warren]

Average day in bbr feedback

[floral gyro]

I am not a dev to give you heat maps/actual data. If you want 'actual data' even making ss of each death will be inaccurate. Unless you have tools like the devs/community server owners that take info from backend directly, everything will be inaccurate

[wild sluice]

The "complaining about SMGs" has literally nothing to do with my original statement though. I was talking about bad map design decisions, and for some reason, he makes it about SMGs?
Bro (Sworce) is just taking a word out of my original statement and throwing a tantrum over it for some reason.
Its just strawmanning for no reason.

[patent fjord]

You see which guns you get killed by when you die. You can just count.

[patent fjord]

I dont care about your original statement.

[wild sluice]

Ok?

[patent fjord]

What is your question?

[floral gyro]

And I do count them, smg/PDW's are definitely up there, outperforming AR's,LMG, LWS. Depending on map also snipers/DMR's.

[wild sluice]

I' m just wndering why that matters

[tawdry warren]

Aint no way thats a tantrum 😭

[patent fjord]

Because Im not talking about your original message. I never said anything with regards to your original message.

[patent fjord]

What are your numbers?

[wild sluice]

This whole discussion is because Sworce is acting like a child though, I just thought I'd point that out.

[tawdry warren]

😭

[stable gorge]

mf wants an xl spreadsheet 💀

[patent fjord]

I am only interested in this message specifically: #1159513116401467464 message . I do not care about any other messages that preceded it

[patent fjord]

I want anything that isnt “I feel like smgs are used to much”

Because, again, thats pretty much always based on nothing.

[tawdry warren]

Just shoot them!!!!!!

[floral gyro]

You are going in circles

[patent fjord]

You said you do count. Do you not have numbers?

The only reason I dont just do this myself is because you claimed smgs are only/especially oppressive to specific play styles, play styles that I probably dont do

[wild sluice]

I think you can just replace "SMGs/PDSs" in the original statement(s) and replace it with "movement shooter gameplay" or something like that, you know the "SPEED DEMON" people out there, and you'll have an easier time understanding what they meant with " speed medic/assault meta" and whatnot.

[tawdry warren]

I am truly sorry for not conforming to your milsim rules in the not a milsim game

[patent fjord]

Sure, I still want some sort of actual data to back it up

It wouldnt even be anything insane, just like 1-2 games of counting.

Man he could even send me a video of his gameplay and I’d do it myself

[tawdry warren]

Me wondering if this bullshit about people crying over someone pressing their shift + w is ever gonna end

[patent fjord]

It wont, its fundamental to the human condition. Rather than just get good or accept that they simply prefer to play differently than others, people will rationalize. Make up fake rules to convince themselves that better players arent REALLY better, they’re just playing by a different ruleset. Also believing that everyone should play by their preferred rules because it makes them feel bad to see someone performing better than they are.

They dont even recognize that if most of the better players actually were to start playing by their “rules” they would still be way out performed.

[wild sluice]

Please copy and paste the part where I said that I "want BBR to be a milsim game.", "I want everyone to conform to my milsim playstyle." or "I want everyone to play like its a milsim." You can use the search function, write "from: habarudo" and then add "milsim" and you can find messages of me specifically saying I dont want the game to be a milsim game. Sorry that you cannot write a single statement without failing to comprehend, and keep misreprestenting every. single. thing. you try to argue about.

[tawdry warren]

Damn

No

[wild sluice]

Yeah, because you know you're full of shit, and you cannot say something the seemingly carry any weight, without making up stuff lol.
They really were right when they said "dont trust people with patreon tags"

[tawdry warren]

I will keep running w m1 into the enemy dropping 200 bombs in your honour

[stable gorge]

@wild sluice I suggest you should just stop feeding the trolls

[patent fjord]

Its okay if you yourself are weak and cant engage with people who disagree with you, but trying to spread that mindset to other people is unhelpful.

[patent fjord]

He is referring to this.

Baby Medic Mains with SMGs jacked up on energy drinks, adderall and ADHD whining about snipers shooting their low-skilled asses?

Which he feels shows that you dont like when people dont play the game your way. Whether your way of playing the game can be classified as milsimmy or not isnt really all the relevant.

[wild sluice]

||Sorry, to clarify, I was not talking about the playstyle of the arcade speed demons, just that they players tend to be whiny about stuff. ||

[stable gorge]

There is nothing to engage with, all you’re asking for is “data” over 1-2 games which even if i did bother to note is still not going to be any more useful than “i feel like it”

[patent fjord]

Why wouldnt quantitative data be more useful than a feeling statement? Right now all you have to go on is that you feel that cqc is too powerful. If that feeling were actually based in reality you would be able to back it up.

Like if cqc was so powerful to the point that it actually just felt awful to play anything else I would say that there needs to be a change.

[stable gorge]

Because of a very limited scope and sample size. Plus there is a ton of variables like player skill level, your playstyle, overall team performance etc. For example if you’re long range sniping ofc you’re not gonna die or interact with smgs as much. The only people who would have a useful amount of data are the devs and asking players for it is just plain dumb.

[floral gyro]

It definitely would be. The problem is, that unless you have acces to stats the dev's have, or to the back end of community server, any data you produce won't be accrate enough to have any mening.

[patent fjord]

It's definitely over present type of gameplay, and negatively impact every experience that isn't running around with SMG/PDW in search of highest amount of kills
Surely if this were the case he would be able to back it up SOMEHOW.

I also reject the idea that a small amount of data is unusable. It's still helpful, you just have to be aware its not much.

[stable gorge]

Would number of complaints about smgs be considered data? 🤔 Probably more useful too, considering that player engagement matters and what not.

[floral gyro]

Dozens of people complaining about one thing for months, on more than one platform, even despite changes definitely isn't any sort of a proof that there is specific problem. Definitely not. Ridiculous idea.

[patent fjord]

We dont have access to that data.

[patent fjord]

Dozens of people out of thousands of active players. Obviously thats not anywhere close to proof.

[half pebble]

It ends when Oki picks a route and alienates half the playerbase. Any day now

[tawdry warren]

2025 surely

[half pebble]

Fs

If all of cateat up and left with another 2k players because Oki chose to turn game into milsim it'd be a better outcome than now

Same goes with him adding shotguns and noob tubes and whatever other fancy toys for the sweats

[tawdry warren]

breaching shotgun to replace c4 when

[half pebble]

Could remove snipers and make all movespeed 1.1 default for all I care

Just go all in though

[tawdry warren]

remove armor hp and make everyone 150hp when

[half pebble]

Aa for @patent fjord, here's your data

[tawdry warren]

nice link nerd

[half pebble]

Fuck

Why is this server lame

[tawdry warren]

2 evos

[half pebble]

Aside from the starting rifle and the at the time only good support weapon, smgs were the top thing that killed this one guy

[floral gyro]

More like few dozens of people out of hundreads willing to speak out. Though I am quite certain that if more people were willing to give feedback, more people would mention that.

[half pebble]

Dogshit data collection but hey if "small amount of data" is good enough then there you go

[tawdry warren]

ok now prove that smgs are broken and not because its people with 2 thumbs using smgs instead of something else

[half pebble]

Where tho

[tawdry warren]

[patent fjord]

What playstyle

[tawdry warren]

blind mf

[half pebble]

Idfk redditor?

[half pebble]

Oh thought you meant 2 bars

[tawdry warren]

😭

[half pebble]

Idunno you point out 2 evos it sounds like youre pointing out a mistake

[floral gyro]

M4 raigns supreme. As expected.
SMG/PDW'S definitely above average in kill count

[half pebble]

This is also like

[floral gyro]

M249 is suprisingly popular too. Wierd.

[half pebble]

4 months old

[patent fjord]

Seems to be about what I would expect

[half pebble]

Bc who would want to actually track their deaths for 4 months

So it's technically outdated in that everything else got buffed

Anyways that data was used for LSWs

Not much else

[tawdry warren]

the evo is a mistake

[half pebble]

That's not my fight tbh

I'll let someone else try to defend it

Anyways, I wouldn't say smgs are overused, or even that prevalent, but they're pretty stupid for balance. You trade range for pretty much every stat under the sun, to the point where attachments can't have any meaningful benefit to them

[floral gyro]

True

[half pebble]

Having a range of movement speeds from keeping up with a reversing tank to basically crouch walking speed while running is like

Sounds more like overwatch than a military shooter

[floral gyro]

Is fucked up honestly

[half pebble]

But that's just like, my opinion man

[tawdry warren]

i dont see anyone blinking yet

[half pebble]

Is this Australian slang or smthn

Wonder what the speed difference actually is

From games like halo, 10% difference is high

Bet you it's something ridiculous in comparison

[tawdry warren]

tracer

😭

[tawdry warren]

between?

[half pebble]

1.00 and 1.10

So just AR and SMG

[tawdry warren]

oh

check reddit

too lazy

[half pebble]

Is it on there

[tawdry warren]

probably like 6 different tests

[half pebble]

33% between highest and lowest

Lmao

[floral gyro]

Lol, that's huge difference

And it's passive

PS2 pasive movement speed buff is like, 10% at max

[tawdry warren]

10% from adrenaline

but you also have la skating n shit

[half pebble]

Yeah all these shooters always have something

Some bug or exploit to point to to be like "it's waaaay worse over there"

[tawdry warren]

ha jumpscare

[stable gorge]

Asks ppl to collect meaningless data and then criticizes the said data for being flawed. Actually trolling 😭

idrc about smgs i just want movement gutted and movement abuse is nearly always paired up with smgs

[spark dirge]

Womp womp he moves too fast

[stable gorge]

yeah and instant direction changes, it’s bs

[craggy tusk]

Womp womp

[stable gorge]

jeez

[spark dirge]

What’s stoping you from doing it

[stable gorge]

I didn’t say i don’t do it, it doesn’t change the fact that it’s broken

[spark dirge]

Womp womp

Just wait for inertia to be toggle able in an update

[stable gorge]

wut?

[half pebble]

All that's left on here are the people who enjoy it

You won't find many supporters

[stable gorge]

I don’t need any, honestly at this point I just want the devs to confirm whether they wanna keep it or not to decide if it’s worth investing my time into this game.

[vestal ravine]

they experimented with an air movement nerf...

[stable gorge]

I remember oki posting about adding inertia but then it got removed so idk

[vestal ravine]

yeah he was kinda fed up with people when he wrote that "breakdown" of his

[summer mortar]

have you considered adjusting your crosshair on the enemy gamers as they're moving

it's an ancient technique that has been passed down for generations

[stable gorge]

You literally cannot predict where they are going if there is no inertia because they can switch directions at any time with no penalties.

[half pebble]

If movement is something you're waiting to get changed, it's not. Period.

[vestal ravine]

soon™️

[stable gorge]

I’m waiting for the next update since they said it’s gonna be “big”, i don’t wanna speculate

[half pebble]

Ha

Speculate?

For what

They already outlined it in announcments

[wet swan]

they said more is comming

[half pebble]

Maybe for future updates

What's in announcements is this update

And even that might be delayed

Just don't get your hopes up for nothing

[stable gorge]

inertia is not “milsim” lol

anyway doesn’t hurt to hope for something better ya know

[half pebble]

Sure

[floral gyro]

Nothing beats echo chambers

Anyways, again daily peak of 5k players.

And it's not because of lack of content

[craggy tusk]

I could see a minor nerf to moment being a good compromise, but it shouldn't stop 180s. Maybe 360s though...

[tawdry warren]

😭

[stable gorge]

I mean there hasn’t been much in the past like month now?

[hardy pulsar]

I haven't played because of the audio changes tbh

They sounded miserable, and I believe oki said they were going to revert or change them next update

But that was like a month ago lmao

To be clear, haven't actually played with the changes, but based on vids and stuff they sounded kind of meh. I figured it would be patched out and adjusted quickly so I've been waiting instead of joining and getting used to a new system that'll be changed

But now I'm just committed to waiting 😂

Mad respect to y'all that are sticking to the feedback though

[floral gyro]

BFV didn't get any content update for 3 years now. Still more than two times players then BBR

[floral gyro]

Feedback is love, feedback is life

[tawdry warren]

Have you considered asking them why

[floral gyro]

Ask who what?

[hardy pulsar]

Battlefield is out on consoles, has been on sales in bundles and stuff, and is a part of a very popular series

You can probably play BFV with your friends, but not all of your friends will have BBR

It's probably a lot of people's main game

Also isn't it WW2? Diff vibe as well

The BF/Halo cycle is real also. People always hate the newest one and praise the previous one lol

Not saying BBR is in a good place btw

Just saying those may be the reasons BFV stays strong

[floral gyro]

BFV is a game without any content update for 3 years now. Still has more than two times players on steam alone.
It may have different vibe, but it is a direct competitor to BBR. And it seems it just fares better.

[hardy pulsar]

Yea, it's a more popular series

Also it's a finished game. Has stuff over BBR frankly

It also looks REALLY good in comparison

Doesn't matter for the tisms like us, but for general audiences it's probably a major factor

BBR kind of feels like early stage BF4 to me personally

But like even earlier

[floral gyro]

So it does a number of things better then BBR to lure the general audience there.
And it's not like BBR isn't popular, 87k peak is not a joke, BFV, a another title in very well known and much acclaimed franchise peaked at 114k.

[floral gyro]

BBR feels like CoD with Locker/Metro sprinkled in. Far from BF4

[hardy pulsar]

Ehhh

More like BF4 to me

But who cares about what's what

BBR didn't have great staying power when it came out and some big hitters came out right after it

Now it's at a really weird place

Theres just a myriad of factors we can debate on, but point is it's where it is now, and it probably isn't a great place

[floral gyro]

No PTFO, teamwork practically doesn't exists, combined arms is a joke, and a bad one too.
All things that make BF different than 'another generic shooter' are not present in BBR.
BBR feels like 'another generic shooter'

[hardy pulsar]

Ehhhh

BF4 pretty much plays out the same as this game

[summer mortar]

i think it had a lot of potential if it were to capitalize on the initial success

but it didn't, at all

[hardy pulsar]

The vehicles just aren't present in any game mode at all

[hardy pulsar]

I think it kind of did? Then they went on a one month break. Issues weren't addressed. Game modes just kind of tossed out. Issues kept cropping up. Community on discord was stupid toxic for a long time. Generally, a lot of things that could've gone wrong did yea

[floral gyro]

If you only play Locker/Pearl Market and avoid Conq on other maps, then sure.

[hardy pulsar]

I play rush mainly

[summer mortar]

not only were the main issues with the game not addressed (and most of them weren't addressed to this day), but the game was made worse in some regards

[hardy pulsar]

The audio has been fucked since before the last major change tbh

[floral gyro]

Then play conq more, and see the difference

[summer mortar]

just adding more maps and skins isn't going to save the game but the devs seem to be under that impression

[hardy pulsar]

I have like 1000 hours or something in bf4 man over the years on console then pc. I'm good lol

I played when it was getting updates still and stuff

And I played like last year

[tawdry warren]

Not 10k shit argument smh

[hardy pulsar]

Truuuuuue

I played comp once 😭

[hardy pulsar]

The skin system definitely needed adjustments with all the bloat. But the oki's monkey's paw is REAL bro

[tawdry warren]

Mfw feels more bloated than before

[hardy pulsar]

Map voting gets improved (arguably)? Can't play the same game modes twice anymore. Night mode sucks? It's practically removed so it's just not a problem.

[floral gyro]

Charms will definitely save the game.

[hardy pulsar]

Oh yea it's bad. I've made many suggestions to fix it

[tawdry warren]

😭

[floral gyro]

Why touch C4, movement, squad spawning, when you can just add charms

[hardy pulsar]

Just consolidate patterns into one unlock, make colors their own unlocks, make materials their own unlock. Models can be too

Ez

[tawdry warren]

New map voting is love hate

[hardy pulsar]

500 skins? Down to like 200

[tawdry warren]

Nah fuck you youre watching a tarkov streamer for the remodels

[hardy pulsar]

I liked mario kart voting personally. Gave a lot of variety for me. Also I suggested it first lmao

[hardy pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/eww-face-pink-shocked-gif-15315965

[tawdry warren]

The variety of usually randomly the same shit

[hardy pulsar]

Yeaaa but sometimes we'd get ctf

Close enough lmaooo

[tawdry warren]

Me watching the map vote roll random at 4% (it went to valley with like 60%)

Peak roulette vote

[hardy pulsar]

I'm ok with 4% winning personally

Those 6 or so people are hyped af

I've changed my opinion on the ideal voting mode though for sure after all the complaing from all of us

Attach game modes to a map, vote on them at the same time majority vote. Easy

Only 3 options

Speeds up voting, gives variety, everyone is equally upset

[floral gyro]

The rest is not. And then they change servers

[hardy pulsar]

TBH oki needs to use that fucking community test environment he set up a while ago. Like bro, you've got 5k beta testers ready to go

[hardy pulsar]

Ehhhhh they'd do it eventually

No one stays in a server forever. You'll either get bored and leave, or you'll not wanna play what everyone voted and leave

[tawdry warren]

😭

[hardy pulsar]

Like, it's really not an issue to me. There's 24/7 servers that solve both voting style's issues if you wanna play the same thing forever

Every map feels almost the exact same to me as well tbh

Clusterfuck with a sliding amount of snipers

I think everyone on here likes to overcomplicate issues (including me)

[vestal ravine]

audio updoot mid febuary, you aware?

[hardy pulsar]

It's not feb yet 😭😭😭😭

But thank you for letting me know

[vestal ravine]

announcement channel moment

[floral gyro]

Like sure. But 50% of server leaving becouse some random shit gamemode won is bad. Especially when it happens often

[hardy pulsar]

I probably read it and forgot because it's been like a month

[floral gyro]

Sure, CM servers can fix that. But that also splits community

[hardy pulsar]

I don't think it's a split if we're all playing the game personally

Also 50% don't leave man

I've never seen a 127 empty out, ever

But, maybe I'm just not paying attention

I don't really care, I'm just advocating for what I prefer

[floral gyro]

I have seen 50% leave at peak hour because gamemode/map vote many times. Once a day easily

[vestal ravine]

#bbr-news message

... "month"

[hardy pulsar]

It's been two weeks lmao

I definitely read that, I just don't care until it's in the game

So I forgot lmao

But thank you for resharing still

[vestal ravine]

and here i'm thinking my brain's smooth lmao

[vestal ravine]

np

[hardy pulsar]

Bruh I'm sorry I'm not subscribed to the "community game night" newsletter channel smh

That aside, I do miss seeing the upcoming updates

[vestal ravine]

server newus

[vestal ravine]

soon™️

[hardy pulsar]

😭