Player Movement - Feedback

[tidal light]

Nah more like we just need to do exactly what I said

[thick fulcrum]

Insert meme image of goku wearing a suit and smoking with

Bait used to be believable

Written in it

[zinc dove]

arma? like weight means stamina and sound and thats about it there. a guy with a 150 pound kit will move just as fast as a guy with a 40 pound kit

[tidal light]

Go run a mile wearing gym shorts and a t shirt

Then go run a mile with 115 lbs of kit with you

I’ll bet 25 grand that the 115lbs of gear makes you slower

[hybrid grove]

man but the whole point of exoskeleton armor is so that a soldier can carry more without compromising mobility

have you guys not seen elysium, edge of tomorrow ? not played advanced warfare ?

[lunar stream]

exo armor isn't an exo suit tho
don't fucking ask me why

[vernal aspen]

I think that the BattleBit devs need to consider retuning the prone animations in this game. If we are being as realistic as we should be in the hyper realistic depiction of combat we should factor in things such as player health and fitness, disabilities and surface texture. For example, the average male completes a push up in ~4 seconds (two up, two down), however this variable changes when a push up is performed on sand or gravel where there is less tread to grip to. Furthermore I believe that the armor a player is wearing should play factor into the timing of going prone. Someone wearing no armor and no helmet will have no movement penalty other than that relative of their texture below them, however a player wearing exo armor head to toe should face a movement penalty standing up as the have to combat the weight of the armor in the animation standing them up

yes but if every class had it medic would have more hp to reviv

my highest is only 72??? how did you get so many???

[thick fulcrum]

New copypasta just dropped

[hybrid grove]

bruh then just give it some explosive damage padding and call it juggernaut ?

because it literally is then a juggernaut suit

[lunar stream]

if oki ever gets back from the shadow realm

[hybrid grove]

support also needs the belt fed backpack option

no need to reload lmgs then

[vernal aspen]

yes please and make them 200hp and 0.74 hs multiplier

[zinc dove]

notice how I was talking about Arma?

[lunar stream]

people baiting and crying about a needed yet not implemented change #69420

[wraith timber]

[hybrid grove]

by the way what do you guys think of having heavy exo users having slow movement speed on sand ?

Also they shouldn't be able to swim

[hard solar]

Soft trolling and derailment

[hybrid grove]

🤓☝️

it's literally the player movement thread where I am asking about heavy equipment user movement

[hard solar]

Isn't a ~20% movement speed penalty enough?

[hybrid grove]

but surface matters and does it make sense that exo users with full gear are able to swim ?

wouldn't your feet sink into the sand if you carried something heavy on your back ? - thats why I asked about movement speed on sand

[hard solar]

I mean, does it need to make sense in a non-realistic videogame?

How complex do you want it to be?

[hybrid grove]

Then why is there so much debate about realism vs arcadism here ?

People want realism when it suits their needs and recoil back saying there's no place for it in a video game when it puts them at a disadvantage

[hard solar]

There isn't, it's just derailment.

If you wade through the shit, it's primarily discussion over stats and mechanics for the reason of game balance, regardless of realism

[hybrid grove]

I get it, it's derailment because you don't like the idea.

[hard solar]

I just don't think realism Vs arcade should be the sole basis for any changes, I've always said that.

If you can provide a gameplay and mechanical reason why the change is a good idea, I'm all ears.

[hybrid grove]

This is supposed to be milsim game which anyone and everyone with potato specs can run. Many redditors and conquest players would agree with this. Anyhow when you say any change shouldn't be based upon real life scenarios or models - then explain why did we ask for a smg class rework, why are people asking for movement speed rework constantly on reddit, why are people asking for squad-arma-insurgency type changes etc. ?

[lunar stream]

this game isn't a milsim and idk how i should even constructively reply to your bait and derailment

[hybrid grove]

would you have said the same thing if someone asked for a rework of movement speed with heavy armor users in engineer, recon, assault, medic class ? I don't think so.

[vernal aspen]

yes exo armor users should drown

*in the battlebit water sorry

[lunar stream]

armor needs a fucking rework, not nerfs

[hard solar]

No one said anything about this being milsim, it's not sold as a milsim or advertised as milsim, unsure where you got that idea from.

[hybrid grove]

its not a nerf dude. Please read what I suggested earlier. Its a tradeoff after adding extra protection from shrapnel or aoe damage and smaller calbres.

[hard solar]

For solely for game balance reasons as SMGs punch above their weight compared to other weapons classes and are overly effective out to rages that should be the primary domain of assault rifles.

[lunar stream]

nerfing the movement even more... good grief

[hybrid grove]

it won't be fair if they just consider extra smaller caliber protection and let them run around with current speed

[thick fulcrum]

I hate to be that guy but like
It kinda used to be?
I certainly mostly found out about this game when I saw this old early access milsim I used to check up on every once in a bit had a resurgence
I don't think this is the place to discuss most of these ideas since there IS a thread for the milsim mode on the works, but im definitely not the only one that got the wrong idea at first seeing how much this game changed over the years

[hard solar]

It did used to be, waaaaaaay back when, and may be again once hardcore mode comes out, but at the moment it's not and is pretty staunchly a Battlefield-style game.

[thick fulcrum]

Eh, I'd wager to say at a good chunk of the pacing issues the game has come from the fact that a lot of the game was seemingly built with slower movement In mind(the different reloads, the mag storage, the ammo checks), but had much arcady-er movement slapped on

The hard-core mode thankfully isn't gonna actually be a hard-core mode like bf's, but is actually being advertised as a milsim mode

Like this doesn't feel like a arcade shooter at heart that had a bunch of milsim-y features stapled upon, kinda the opposite actually, it feels like the core mechanics were made with at least some focus on tactics and strategy and then like... changed the max speed variable lol

[hard solar]

I think the extra features like mag stacking and reloads are great, and add a bit of complexity to what would otherwise be a pretty standard battlefield game.

The movement speed matches pretty well with the current gun handling and overall TTK to produce a very smooth flowing game

[thick fulcrum]

I'm not exactly sure I'd agree but hey, as long as I get the milsim mode eventually and get to experience the og intended flow, I'm happy

[hard solar]

Weird abusable movement mechanics aside, of course.

[thick fulcrum]

Yea, we can agree on that part lol

[hybrid grove]

Like I said, even you do consider the movement is ridiculous right? So when I suggest that exo users should have nerfed movement based on irl scenarios - how is it a bait ? In turn ofcourse I also suggested they get rework for their exo armor.

[wraith timber]

Irl argument

[lunar stream]

because they're both really bad additions

[hybrid grove]

bad suggestion= bait

just call it a bad idea then, I would have gladly accepted it

[fathom bobcat]

Why did you add this

[wraith timber]

Having a reasonable and well thought out suggestion that actually adds something to the game and can be implemented in a reasonable time frame relative to its worth vs "but irl scenarios"

[hybrid grove]

I mean Yeti just said that movement is weird and abusable moments ago. Why is it weird ? It's because it doesn't work like that in real life right ? So the same reason I had used for ny suggestion before that.

[wraith timber]

Its because of guns dogshit velocity

[hybrid grove]

Will a projectile velocity rework require any less effort than stamping down on movement speed ovwrall ?

[wraith timber]

rework

Its literally a slider

[thick fulcrum]

I do feel like especially a bit of the upper end of movement could use a slight reduction here, but I feel even just a moderate amount inertia will reduce the problems people have been having with movement abuse

Lower end movement is fine as is, though, it only feels weird when compared to how fast you can potentially get

[vernal aspen]

honestly @wraith timber i think kata is right

[hard solar]

There's a difference between wanting repeated air-turning nerfed slightly to stop exploitation of movement mechanics and hit registration compared to wanting movement speed for exo armor nerfed purely for the reason that sand should be harder to walk on.

With that logic Engineer, who carries 6 rockets along with a full kit, should be far heavier and move even slower

[hybrid grove]

not just sand, they shouldn't be able to swim either

[thick fulcrum]

Game wise though, most matches are already much more favorable to those without armor, that would only compound that difference here

I would sooner have a slower speed ceiling than a lower speed floor, the difference between class movement speeds is already very big, and quite a few times the speeds you can reach on some of the lighter builds break the flow of maps, not to count feeling very frustrating to play against if you actually want to try your hand at more careful maneuvering

[hard solar]

I have no problems with being fast, just don't shadow-dance in front of me while my 30 rounds hit air and not expect me to call for a nerf on discord.

Then run away at full speed whilst healing, then sprint back and hose me down with a MP5/7/groza/pp2000 before I've even had chance to reload.

[fathom bobcat]

You act like mp5 is a broken gun

[hard solar]

Like an ADHD zoomer streamer tripping on a triple dose of Adderall

[hard solar]

All those guns are kind of fine by themselves (except groza, what the fuck was Oki thinking), they just get seriously buffed with the addition of excess speed.

[thick fulcrum]

I would like to speak for the whole of the ADHD community and say we use our stimulants and amphetamine analogs mostly for good, such as arguing with people over discord threads thank you.

[hard solar]

I have ADHD and take vyvanse daily so yea, I'm good and also know the feeling

[thick fulcrum]

😔🤝

[thick fulcrum]

Honestly I could see the old min and max SMG damage ranges being A-OK if you couldn't run so fast with them

(And couldn't yknow, phase through the aether to avoid gunfire)

[wraith timber]

Me when 50rnd groza

[hard solar]

That's a different kettle of fish for a different thread, low recoil + how the game handles bullet spread = kind of bullshit at range, the damage falloff feels like a bit of a patch job.

[fathom bobcat]

Groza kinda shit though

4 second reload time

[hybrid grove]

hey guys, all disagreements and views asides - can we atleast agree atleast most maps feel dogwater ?

[hard solar]

U wot m8

[fathom bobcat]

Only good ones are Basra, old district/namak, frugis, sandy, and waki

[thick fulcrum]

For me at least, it's not really the maps, it's the fact that you can sidestep a lot of em if you play a certain way
There's not much of a point to barricade or play defensively when people are constantly spawning on squadmates and everyone can teleport around the map via removing their helmet and equipping a mp5

[hybrid grove]

Even in conquest mode, it feels like the action is very sporadic. Battlefield in some ways does conquest better in the sense that there's always combat near you.

[fathom bobcat]

Every map is just go to c if you want to get a shit ton of kills

[lunar stream]

map flow is so garbo 😭

[hard solar]

Or flank if you want to get sniped

[thick fulcrum]

People rarely place spawn beacons because the current movespeed enables every player to be everywhere at once, and everyone can spawn on their squad mates, which turns any flanking maneuver into a full on assault that ends up with a whole map reversal

[fathom bobcat]

Removing the helmet doesn’t change movement speed

[hybrid grove]

Yeah I agree, specially the fact that enemies can unbuild my construction

[thick fulcrum]

(Talking about armor, figuratively speaking)

[hybrid grove]

only ads right ?

[lunar stream]

the only maps i genuenly enjoy are salhan and old eduardovo 127v127 conq

[fathom bobcat]

And the only way mp5 is faster than other smgs is by removing every attachment and using just a sight and short mag 💀

[thick fulcrum]

Ye

[hard solar]

Let's not even get into the attacker/defender balance issues and problems with spawn mechanics, meaning there's zero point defending points

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah it’s like 10% faster or something

[wraith timber]

Youre a bit late to the no armor days

[hybrid grove]

I love how we have different views on movement and armor but atleast agree on the fact that vilaskis doesn't do good maps

[lunar stream]

it actually isn't because attachments only do 1/5 of what they advertise - movement speed wise

[wraith timber]

[fathom bobcat]

Whenever I get some of worse maps I just alt f4 and quit for the day

[wraith timber]

Half where the fuck did you get 1/5

[lunar stream]

because they suck for every single playstyle
attacking, defending, sniping, vehicling and god knows whatever else you could do 💀

[thick fulcrum]

That's also partly caused by movespeed
It's always easier to just move on to the next point with how fast you are, and everyone crosses the map semi instantly, meaning there's never any cohesion in who holds which part or the map, meaning no one really holds anything
In a sense, you're more just running around and capping the same points over and over and occasionally shooting at other people doing the same

[wraith timber]

Pov unturned maps

[fathom bobcat]

No they’re all great for sniping because Vilaskis is a recon player

[lunar stream]

not even 😭

[fathom bobcat]

Vilaskis is the cause of my issues with this game

What was he on when he made dusty dew or eduardovo

[hard solar]

Yea, the maps are very sniper-friendly

Everything that isn't directly in a city

[fathom bobcat]

The only real fights are at C or for some maps like sandy, C and D

[thick fulcrum]

I feel like this is like
The culmination of multiple things, but mainly squad spawning and novespeed.

Maps literally always end up with everyone flanking everyone, it stops feeling like anything and becomes a slop of random people running around and shooting each other on the back, you take a spectator view of any match outside of Frontline and there's so many people behind enemy lines you'll see that there are no enemy lines anymore, there is no blue or red territory, it's all purple

It's like that one parody map for halo where it's just a big cube with portals all around that loop randomly, and everyone just runs around like headless chicken until they pop up behind someone else

[uncut moth]

IT’S HERE, THEY SAID IT, WE LOST

[fathom bobcat]

I take vyvanse every time I open the game

[plain hare]

i have to take 30mg every time i boot up the game

or u just cant compete against these catEat/4rae tryhards

[vernal aspen]

4rae and cateat known cheater clans

[plain hare]

they have to have hacks

i cant compete with their movement

[vernal aspen]

yes

[soft pewter]

is this actually proven

I've fought against them and yeah they r good but not that good

[vernal aspen]

yes at the highest levels

[soft pewter]

good to know

[vernal aspen]

all esp + aimbot

[serene pebble]

that's insider info meizu

hush

[vernal aspen]

you have to drop 100s prior to joining so they hide it well

bc the players are already really good

[serene pebble]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1145166516568981504/1160794705848696902/araeclientv2.gif?ex=6535f550&is=65238050&hm=1cf5c91b4418f5c57c4105d5b9daa6bd1e54a60131fd30e74b1b1fb7b0d2c306&

[vernal aspen]

@soft pewter look proof

[viral wasp]

😭 😭 im sorry guys i downloaded arae client v2 last week and i got my first 200 bomb

it was so worth though .

[serene pebble]

bro that's 180 too many kills

if you get over 20 kills, you're TRY HARDING

[soft pewter]

[vernal aspen]

@soft pewter they admit it

[serene pebble]

I better not catch you sitting up straight too. @viral wasp

[blazing hemlock]

erm I heard arae has a sister clan developing the cheats so it's more covered

[vernal aspen]

well arae and that clan share cheat development

[viral wasp]

but i said right before i started gaming "IM GOING TRYHARD MODE"

[vernal aspen]

that’s when you know it’s going down

[carmine edge]

there is also this claan called "gropm"

[serene pebble]

moving your mouse with any intent whatsoever is also try harding

[vernal aspen]

are they the guys from gormp gate?

[serene pebble]

whenever i move my cursor to look on the hub im trying so fucking hard

[vernal aspen]

so is sitting up straight

[carmine edge]

gropm, not gormp

[vernal aspen]

mbmbmb

[blazing hemlock]

also, since. this is movement feedback, i swear 4rae players use movement cheats instead of cheats relating to aim

[viral wasp]

they do, they get a jump boost increase to vault slightly taller walls and their vault speed through windows is increased so they win all window fights

[vernal aspen]

no they use a soft aimlock also

[blazing hemlock]

same with their sister clan, once i saw blanks going 46 and 34 I knew they had to be cheating!

[vernal aspen]

and we they also have a jump shot remover so you can jump sho t

[serene pebble]

46 IS TOO MUCH

guys i purposely have shit kd to hide my cheats

[blazing hemlock]

i mean i could get 46 kills but kd above 1? seems suspicious

[vernal aspen]

@soft pewter look clan leader admitting it

[serene pebble]

that's why if i drop 400 kills, i gotta get 380 deaths to compensate

[vernal aspen]

fr 🙏

[serene pebble]

to make it fair bc im jus like that

[blazing hemlock]

real and true

[serene pebble]

And those 380 deaths goes towards @vernal aspen but dont tell anyone 🤫

[vernal aspen]

SHHHHHHH

[keen tangle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1157656569031446649.gif?size=48&name=NAILSLING&quality=lossless

[hard solar]

Easy (to bypass) anticheat

It's easy to not play with tryhard clans, just stay away from community servers, they always stack them like crazy

[carmine edge]

yea those gropm fuckers are always stacking with the arar and eatcat

abuseing movement

[lunar stream]

fuck we've really all lost our last braincells haven't we?

[young lichen]

Yes.

[fathom bobcat]

Playing with cheater clans is fun though

[hard solar]

Playing against them isn't

[fathom bobcat]

Otherwise I’m getting top kills in lobbies with only suicide c4💀

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah it is just don’t be shit at the game

[hard solar]

Just dodge the aimhacks :))))))

[bold badger]

whos cheating

[fathom bobcat]

CatEat gromp and arae

[bold badger]

thats crazy

why are they not banned?

[fathom bobcat]

They are paying the devs

So much money😔

[vernal aspen]

gah dayum cheter clnas

[uncut moth]

gropm

i hate gormp

[uncut moth]

wtf did i do to you

[blazing hemlock]

😝

[lunar stream]

nearly as insane as bb-eng 💀

[cerulean steppe]

and I think the game is better for it? Like a lot of people disliked it so it was removed and that's what should happen.

its still one of the better smg though it wasn't dumpstered idk why people think it has been when its still one of the better guns in the game

[fathom bobcat]

It’s decent if you’re 5m away otherwise its shit💀

There’s much better guns than the vector

[tidal light]

I think that the BattleBit devs need to consider retuning the prone animations in this game. If we are being as realistic as we should be in the hyper realistic depiction of combat we should factor in things such as player health and fitness, disabilities and surface texture. For example, the average male completes a push up in ~4 seconds (two up, two down), however this variable changes when a push up is performed on sand or gravel where there is less tread to grip to. Furthermore I believe that the armor a player is wearing should play factor into the timing of going prone. Someone wearing no armor and no helmet will have no movement penalty other than that relative of their texture below them, however a player wearing exo armor head to toe should face a movement penalty standing up as the have to combat the weight of the armor in the animation standing them up

[zinc dove]

man its almost like all the smgs are only good within a certain range now.

[fathom bobcat]

Ok?

[zinc dove]

what do you expect then? its good in the situation that class is tuned for

[hard solar]

You can tell you're going down the right track when people can only reply with shitposting

[fathom bobcat]

I’m just telling him that the vector is a shit smg I don’t get what you’re adding to this💀

[zinc dove]

I mean, it ain't god tier anymore, but its still a good gun lol

just casually spreading misinformation

[fathom bobcat]

It’s really not that good

[zinc dove]

its average

[fathom bobcat]

Honestly I’d say every other smg is better than it

[zinc dove]

the SMGs all fall real close to one another

at least within 25 meters up to 50

[cerulean steppe]

no its still very usable out to 20m

[zinc dove]

the faster firing ones usually fall off the further you get because recoil

[fathom bobcat]

9.5 damage after 10m though?

[zinc dove]

but if you can control they are ok up to 50

[cerulean steppe]

with crazy high fire rate

[zinc dove]

with its firerate that stat is not as bad as you think

long as you control it, like I said, average, maybe slightly above the average

[fathom bobcat]

Slightly below average

[zinc dove]

not really

[fathom bobcat]

Any other smg will do better💀

[cerulean steppe]

like how with its old stats it was still really easy to get 50m kills with it

[zinc dove]

not really lol

[cerulean steppe]

might have been more like 40m

[zinc dove]

they start outperforming it the further out you get, but that's just a matter of control rather than damage.

[cerulean steppe]

but still to long of a range

[zinc dove]

nah old stats, like pre nerf you mean?

smgs had IRL effective range of about 100 meters

which considering the average engagement distance of this game, and the fact that they made you fast, made them way too good

[vernal aspen]

ur baiting right

[cerulean steppe]

balance doesn't equal irl

[vernal aspen]

please tell me youre baiting

[zinc dove]

old stats were the IRL stats you moron

they nerfed the whole class because of it

[vernal aspen]

ah yes the notoriously 40 mag irl vector

[zinc dove]

yeah, 9mm vector

that is the mag size for that lol

[cerulean steppe]

nope its still very usable its just you all most people only care about "meta" and now its still really good but not meta everyone acts like its dead

[zinc dove]

I am literally agreeing with you, but you were talking pre-nerf

I just don't like it personally, think I got a single kill with it

I'll make my way around to complete it eventually

[cerulean steppe]

ya i didn't get that until you posted this

[plain hare]

just reached 3.4k kills on vector for pink skin. gun feels like shit, wouldn't recommend

[fathom bobcat]

I will get pink skin mp5 one day😔

[plain hare]

im working on that rn

[cerulean steppe]

I feel like rushing 3.4k kills on any gun would feel like that tbh. If ypu do it naturally switching weopons whenever you feel like it wouldn't feel so bad but take way longer.

unless if that's what you actually did then nvm

[zinc dove]

yeah no I'm hunting all attachements on all guns and it fucking sucks to stay on one gun for a long time

[fathom bobcat]

Go short mag with nothing else it’s really fun

[vernal aspen]

10k kills on ump and 10k on p90

[zinc dove]

?

[vernal aspen]

if the guns good its fine to stay on it

[zinc dove]

what's that gotta do for trying to complete all the weapon attachments for the guns? I know that some guns are better feeling than others, my m4, mk20, of course the p90 and the like. But fuck man m110 is painful.

[vernal aspen]

most guns in the game feel like shit to pllay with

[zinc dove]

at the start maybe. the m110 is the only one I'm having trouble with because the recoil fucking sucks so it makes me have to stick to a playstyle I really don't enjoy.

[uncut moth]

i feel like i should pursue this goal eventually since getting ~3k (prestige 3 skins included) to max a gun sounds like a nice challenge

(m110 is really strong)

but is this really player movement-feedback

[eternal harbor]

We really do be needing another cleanup of derailment and shit here lmao

[wraith timber]

Assuming these even get checked regularly

[tame sedge]

yes

[wraith timber]

[tame sedge]

why people gotta talk about smg balance in player movement channel ugh

[zinc dove]

Cause SMGs = fast in this game for some reason

[eternal harbor]

Or at this point since it's come to an arena of bickering back and forth, we seem to be going in circles

[vernal aspen]

I think that the BattleBit devs need to consider retuning the prone animations in this game. If we are being as realistic as we should be in the hyper realistic depiction of combat we should factor in things such as player health and fitness, disabilities and surface texture. For example, the average male completes a push up in ~4 seconds (two up, two down), however this variable changes when a push up is performed on sand or gravel where there is less tread to grip to. Furthermore I believe that the armor a player is wearing should play factor into the timing of going prone. Someone wearing no armor and no helmet will have no movement penalty other than that relative of their texture below them, however a player wearing exo armor head to toe should face a movement penalty standing up as the have to combat the weight of the armor in the animation standing them up

[fathom bobcat]

Rename this to arguments

[vernal aspen]

u gotchu snoman

[fathom bobcat]

I think that the BattleBit devs need to consider retuning the prone animations in this game. If we are being as realistic as we should be in the hyper realistic depiction of combat we should factor in things such as player health and fitness, disabilities and surface texture. For example, the average male completes a push up in ~4 seconds (two up, two down), however this variable changes when a push up is performed on sand or gravel where there is less tread to grip to. Furthermore I believe that the armor a player is wearing should play factor into the timing of going prone. Someone wearing no armor and no helmet will have no movement penalty other than that relative of their texture below them, however a player wearing exo armor head to toe should face a movement penalty standing up as the have to combat the weight of the armor in the animation standing them up

[tame sedge]

they're talking about their weapon stats and smgs being op, but that's true smg = fast

[tame sedge]

also noted 😄

[zinc dove]

its funny cause all the smgs weigh about the same as most of the ARs at 6.5 to 7.5 pounds

[wraith timber]

Ok but bullet

[zinc dove]

? yeah with bullets too. m4 weighs like 7.3 pounds loaded and with a sling

mp7 is closer to 6.5 pounds loaded

[uncut moth]

i bet snoman weighs 6.5 pounds loaded too

[hybrid grove]

then we are again venturing into real world scenarios and as already brought up by others, just because something works a certain way irl doesn't mean it should be implemented ingame

[zinc dove]

SMGs being fast is one of the reasons they are so prevalent lol

you take away the speed boost for nothing, make movement based on weapon weight, and suddenly alot of things are far close in speeds.

[fathom bobcat]

Well if we are making the speed realistic

Let’s get rid of revive feature since you’re not getting up from an rpg shot or 20 bullets to the head

[hard solar]

Let's just deep dive down this garbage rabbit hole of "muh realism"

Just look at it from a pure balance perspective

[hybrid grove]

I think we already argued quite a lot about it ad nauseum yesterday

[hard solar]

Options are either: bring everyone's speed and mobility up to a similar level, reduce everyone's speed to a similar level, or make the penalty for increased speed match the bonus for reduced speed.

[lunar stream]

just give us inertia/acceleration and by extension fix the air spinning and then the movement system is perfect

[hybrid grove]

But that'll make this game like other shooters out there

The air strafing can be annoying but yeah its one of the reason that sets it apart

[lunar stream]

the game is unique in most areas, the movement is just dumb

[hard solar]

Hard disagree, it feels like it was just a forgotten/ignored part of when movement mechanics were setup for the first time.

[lunar stream]

like, there is a reason all other non movement shooter games do it like that, bbr isn't a movement shooter

(shit doesn't fit)

[hard solar]

It doesn't need to be much, same as lean spam fix. Just something like exponentially lowering speed based on how hard you turn and how frequently.

Regular fast movement shouldn't be impacted, just the spastic spinning.

The excessive speed of some class/armor/weapon combos is a separate issue in terms of balance

[slow bough]

so you just came to the conclusion that bbr isnt a movement shooter based on what? your own opinion? I think bbr is a pretty casual game that isnt trying to dive too deep into a realistic shooter or game based on quite a few things the game offers so the movement is acceptable where it is at right now

coming from other movement games such as apex the movement in bbr is definitely a quite big point in whats making it stand out compared to others. It isnt anything special but yet the freedom you have is very fun and im pretty such thats what bbr wants to be based on and not realism

[vernal aspen]

muh immersion

[slow bough]

there is two different playstyles clashing against each other in this game but instead of accepting both one side just wants to crush it LOL

[lunar stream]

"movement such as apex" says a ton, apex doesn't have enough to qualify it as a movement shooter
tf|2, ultrakill, turbo overkill aka games with really in depth or over the top movement are movement shooters

[slow bough]

WHAT

[vernal aspen]

"apex" "not movement shooter" bro

[slow bough]

apex not a movement shooter?

[vernal aspen]

how many times did your parents drop you as a child

[lunar stream]

it's not about immersion, it's about sensibility

[vernal aspen]

muh sensibility

[hard solar]

Movement shooters are designed from the ground up with very specific, in-built movement mechanics such as dodging, sliding, hovering, charging, and things like hookshots, with the movement being a core design point of the gameplay features.

BattleBit, whilst good, is not a movement shooter.

[slow bough]

did you ever watch a movement guide or in depth video about apex movement? you would see how "in depth" or "over the top" it really is the the amount of different inputs etc

[lunar stream]

do you have fluid wall bouncing, wall running, double jumping, dashing?

[fathom bobcat]

If they change the movement in this game I don’t think I’ll be playing anymore and i think some other people would agree lol

[hard solar]

Ok bye

[vernal aspen]

[hybrid grove]

many

[hybrid grove]

since when did army soldiers start wall bouncing, sliding, dashing into trenches ?

[lunar stream]

i am aware of that, it just isn't movement remeniscent of a "movement shooter" and tbh that's a complicated debate overall, what it boils down to is that the current movement system doesn't give a crap about slower classes or casual gamers

[hybrid grove]

this is army shooter not black ops 3

[vernal aspen]

this is deep sophisticated tactical milsim fps

[lunar stream]

yet it has atleast some form of impaired air mobility

[vernal aspen]

cant have these tryhard fatty sweats DOING 360S ON A BODY TO REVIVE 😲

[hybrid grove]

If they start catering to casuals who come and go all the time, they'll end up with lnly casuals who don't stick around

[slow bough]

well obviously a lmg holding exo armer wearing soldier wont be able to do the same type of movement a smg with ranger armor is able to do
But the moment you choose to play support you should accept it

[hard solar]

How about this is just BattleBit and stop referencing other games like it gives your point some kind of validity

[vernal aspen]

💀

[fathom bobcat]

💀

[lunar stream]

it counter acts your "points"

[fathom bobcat]

I think that the BattleBit devs need to consider retuning the prone animations in this game. If we are being as realistic as we should be in the hyper realistic depiction of combat we should factor in things such as player health and fitness, disabilities and surface texture. For example, the average male completes a push up in ~4 seconds (two up, two down), however this variable changes when a push up is performed on sand or gravel where there is less tread to grip to. Furthermore I believe that the armor a player is wearing should play factor into the timing of going prone. Someone wearing no armor and no helmet will have no movement penalty other than that relative of their texture below them, however a player wearing exo armor head to toe should face a movement penalty standing up as the have to combat the weight of the armor in the animation standing them up

[hybrid grove]

They want movement to be nerfed for smg user specifically or all users except support ?

[slow bough]

lets not use other games
almost the entire community in feedback:

[lunar stream]

no you brick

nerfed mobility for all

[hard solar]

Either way, nerf high speed movement or buff armor Vs pistol rounds 🙂

[lunar stream]

(inertia and acceleration)

[fathom bobcat]

Just remove people’s legs at this point and make them crawl everywhere

[hybrid grove]

oh so all classes must be nerfed because the support player willingly chooses to uses heavier armor when it clearly states movement penalty. Gotcha

[hard solar]

Don't care how it's done, adding some more detailed movement physics would be the better way to go but I'm not Oki

[lunar stream]

you can't argue with facts or logic, truly magnificant

[lunar stream]

normal armor is the only way on support btw

[hybrid grove]

what facts and logic are you using ? since you play with support = devs should modify all other class movement for you

[hard solar]

Support weapons give -10/15% move speed just by themselves

[lunar stream]

uhm no

[slow bough]

yeah ofc they do, they are heavy weapons
you CHOOSE to play the class and the weapons so obviously you will have to accept the fact that you are slower ,

[lunar stream]

i play assault or medic (with fast guns)
dumbest strawman ever

[vernal aspen]

if anything vaulting should be sped up to keep it in line with the rest of the game

wouldnt mind leaning nerf being reverted

[hybrid grove]

Sure you do buddy. Tell us if the so called smg medic movement boogeyman is in the same room as us ?

[hard solar]

"I'd like a class to be viable please"
"AGJFKRNDN WHAT YOU CAN'T ASK FOR A CLASS TO BE VIABLE!"

[vernal aspen]

nobody said that what are you on about

[hard solar]

The obvious answer to that is we should all play medic then?

[hybrid grove]

Viable = crush all other classes

[lunar stream]

you guys can't even argue in good faith
maximum clownary

[hybrid grove]

fix the damn movement for support then

[slow bough]

no? but if you choose to play a slower class accept the slower movement speed

[vernal aspen]

you shouldn't play support and expect fast movement

[fathom bobcat]

Yes they should give -50% move speed to every other class so that us casual support players can have a chance against sweaty cheating clans like arae and catEat using their cheating medic class against us. I think it is very unfair that they just move so much faster than us considering how weak our class is and how strong SMGs are in this current meta. In fact I believe medics should actually only be limited to pistol to balance their class due to the strength of the SMGs but that’s just my opinion

[vernal aspen]

why doesnt reinhardt have tracer's blinks?????? this is so unfair?????!!

[hard solar]

I want to play support, support is a fun class, but currently it's like giving yourself an instant handicap

[vernal aspen]

maybe dont play the big bumbling fat bozo class and youll move faster

[hard solar]

Just remove support from the game I guess

[hybrid grove]

I freaking hate it when I get beamed by a smg medic 30 meters away even though I could have simplyoved or ducked

[fathom bobcat]

How about you put on exo armor and carry an smg around irl and see how fast you can go

[hard solar]

Non viable classes should just die SMH

[slow bough]

no one ever said that?
you throw around nerfs for movement and medic so that your class is looking better so why not just buff support and not touch the rest?

[lunar stream]

have you tried not crying while arguing and look at the actual points

[vernal aspen]

yes

(just exo armor actually)

[fathom bobcat]

I mean you can go prone and still get hit by bullets despite being behind a wall because hit reg is shit

[hybrid grove]

what are your actual points? You keep mentioning them but never list them.

[hard solar]

Whole lot of people terrified their crutch will be taken away in the name of making the game better

[hybrid grove]

Then if I bring up irl model based scenarios, everyone gets mad

[vernal aspen]

so we remove exo armor right? because its a crutch?

[hard solar]

Hahahaha

[vernal aspen]

am I wrong?

[hard solar]

Yes, how is Exo a crutch? It's basically useless currently

[slow bough]

even with medic and movement nerfed you guys will still get owned and you will find a new point to complain about, lets be honest
whats the next nerf gonna be? smgs doing no damage after 5 meters or what

[hybrid grove]

you don't understand. Anything that they want to remain untouched is not a crutch apparently.

[fathom bobcat]

Remove smgs

[vernal aspen]

you 1.75x mp7 ttk you idiot you get 62 EXTRA HP

[hard solar]

The only one getting owned is u

[vernal aspen]

only one getting owned is @lunar stream who said apex wasnt a movement game

[slow bough]

i couldnt care less if they nerfed it but the reasons you guys want the stuff nerfed is stupid thats why im here

[fathom bobcat]

.7kd support talking😔

[hard solar]

Go play support in exo and see what that actually does.

[fathom bobcat]

A lot

[vernal aspen]

my guy i have, i have played exo. it's absolutely ridiculously unfair

[lunar stream]

this movement "system" is bad because it allows for spinning, which unproportionally benefits fast movement, it looks dumb, is a skillless "mechanic" and allows for otherwise stupid discissions to not have any concequences

[vernal aspen]

only one skillless is here bc u cant hit ppl dodging your shots

[vernal aspen]

how come is it everyone ive talked to thats good at the game doesnt really have this problem of other people diffing them with movement

[slow bough]

just let the player spin and kill him once he stops spinning or is your 120cm/360 sens to slow for that

[lunar stream]

got it

[vernal aspen]

🤔

i do truly wonder why that might be

[cedar flicker]

im all for exo being faster. the movement penalty is far too debilitating

[fathom bobcat]

If I get movement diffed I just give up aiming and use c4 or rpg or something

[lunar stream]

feedback bubbles? group biases?

[fathom bobcat]

Like there’s so many counters to movement lmao

[slow bough]

good player dying to movement: damn i got owned
bad player dying to movement: i must write a paragraph in the feedback channel immediately

[cedar flicker]

it'd especially help since the M249/ultimax are actually amazing flanking weapons, but you hardly get flanking opportunities with how slow you are

[vernal aspen]

literally this

[hard solar]

The cognitive dissonance happening in this thread is magical

[vernal aspen]

dont play support if yuo want to flank lmfao

[cedar flicker]

dumbfuck

[hybrid grove]

Quite ironically you are the one bringing up removing such movement features because it suits your needs. Instead of complaining about it, have you tried leveraging it ?

[lunar stream]

btw "skill issue" is not a valid argument (it isn't allowed in here either)

[cedar flicker]

think before you post

[fathom bobcat]

that’s why devildogg20 complains in #1152893518986104832 too

[slow bough]

im sorry yeti but you lost me after this considering the amount of times "Squad" has been mentioned here and in other feedback channels

[hybrid grove]

spawn on a teammate who already flanked, dummy

[hard solar]

By me?

[slow bough]

no but in general, you want us to not bring up other games but look what feedback is filled with
Squad here and Squad there

[hard solar]

Yea, that's bad, its bad feedback

[vernal aspen]

there literally isnt a different answer, this is like complaining that someone else is able to hit their headshots and kill you faster

[lunar stream]

i play assault, medic and a light as possible support build that doesn't sacrifice fire power except for one nade...

[vernal aspen]

ur literally complaining you got diffed

[slow bough]

so you telling me
there is no skill difference in this community? which skill issue pretty much means?

[lunar stream]

you can't make that shit up

[cedar flicker]

alternatively jump down on a group of people, but yeah. M249 is an amazing weapon for flanks, it's just really hard to utilize with your poor movement speed. and since armor really doesn't cover that much of your model (exo included), i think it'd be fair if support was made faster

[vernal aspen]

none of these points make any sense thats what you cant make up

[vernal aspen]

wow maybe if you want to flank you should play a faster class

almost like the devs had the foresight to make different classes that specialize in different things

why can't I snipe on medic?

[hard solar]

But they dont

[cedar flicker]

man, like, shut the fuck up if you have nothing of value to say, lmao

[hybrid grove]

Hey that absolutely is reasonable, but do you feel instead of fixing support movement speed all other classes should be downgraded to their level ?

[cedar flicker]

*snipes with the FAL on medic*

[lunar stream]

they don't make sense because you don't like them, because you want to "skill diff" everyone with a skillless "mechanic"

[cedar flicker]

no i like the pace of the game as is. fast movement feels good

[vernal aspen]

"why cant I use rpg on assault"

[hard solar]

The class roles are currently very mixed and kind of shitty

[vernal aspen]

i dont disagree

[hybrid grove]

exactly, it would be nice to have it fixed on support

[hard solar]

Medic can do everything except long range snipe and use grappling hooks.

[slow bough]

i cant repair vehicles :((

[hard solar]

And it can usually do them better than other dedicated classes because of the available toolset, so dont bullshit about muh medic

[hybrid grove]

Also I don't really understand why is spinning such a huge issue ? Not everyone does it, nor can everyone.

[hard solar]

ok lmao you got me, but no one repairs vehicles

[hybrid grove]

and its legit mostly when reviving

[vernal aspen]

bcs with my 6/cm 360 when they strafe i cant hit them 😭

[slow bough]

true true

[vernal aspen]

can speak from experience that movement does not make you invulnerable to bullets

[lunar stream]

yes not a lot of people do it, but it is very easy to do right
but when it happens it looks stupid and turns you into neo

[hybrid grove]

I don't care if it looks stupid because this is a low poly block battlefield my friend

[fathom bobcat]

When catEat and 4gae cheaters do it no one can hit them (because their cheats are so strong), but when I do it everyone hits me instantly!!!!!

[lunar stream]

other point, not just the looks part please

[hard solar]

Stop posting like this, it's been well documented that servers have issues registering hits on rapidly moving players, it's also way harder to aim if someones buzzing around you like a wasp.

[hybrid grove]

Also I feel if it was easy then everyone would be doing it, which doesn't seem to be the case for now @lunar stream

[vernal aspen]

"it looks stupid" good argument

[lunar stream]

most people don't tryhard or don't know about it

[vernal aspen]

hitreg in general is shit not just when moving

[lunar stream]

(leanspam)

[vernal aspen]

bring it back

[hybrid grove]

yeah I think they're client sided so players don't complain about missing hit reg

[fathom bobcat]

Leanspam was great bring it back

[hard solar]

You really are a dyed-in-the-wool shitter

[fathom bobcat]

Just because people are shit at the game doesn’t mean it should be nerfed

[vernal aspen]

hitsounds are clientsided, when you DC you can still hear the sound and see it

[hybrid grove]

I got reported for it yesterday, even though its not a thing now

[lunar stream]

same 🤣

[hybrid grove]

can't satisfy them even after it got removed

[lunar stream]

some people are just dumb

[vernal aspen]

you

[lunar stream]

hahahaha nice argument

[vernal aspen]

not an argument ||its a fact||

[lunar stream]

even funnier

[vernal aspen]

sorry that was rude you just have dumb opinions on movement

[lunar stream]

ong it's a fact 😭

[fathom bobcat]

I always spam q and e in every fight to make people as mad as possible

[hybrid grove]

I do out it out of habit while switching or flicking targets

[vernal aspen]

add a crouch and its better than pre patch btw

[lunar stream]

but if you were to take a look at what i said just about lean spam you'd realize i don't want everyone to move like a rock
just make shit more sensible, it is stupid easy to get away with spinning

(i need that challange)

[hard solar]

movement in this game is very low skill

[hybrid grove]

they could begin by revisiting support class movement

[lunar stream]

no in general

[hard solar]

I mean, if you're a low-skilled individual I guess you see movement as not being a problem

[lunar stream]

support will be fine once it gets more dakka and working armor that isn't shit for both sides

[vernal aspen]

support will be fine when it has 3 unreplenishable nades with no exo armor

[lunar stream]

some wwz gunslinger builds lmao

[hard solar]

"No mom you don't understand, the support players are bullying me!"

[vernal aspen]

couple this with doubled bandage speeds for all class and game is much more fun

[fathom bobcat]

Casual players in this game are very low skill

[vernal aspen]

and remove bleeding fr its time

[lunar stream]

opinion invalidated: *it's

[hard solar]

Look, I just want to make sure I can play this game without any kind of hardship or tradeoff

[lunar stream]

but nah, it's the one thing keeping the games pace from outrunning someones heart while having a stroke

[fathom bobcat]

Opinion invalidated: Opinion, not opinion, please remember to capitalize the beginning of your sentence.

[lunar stream]

[hybrid grove]

said the person who willingly chose to pick exo armor when it clearly labels movement penalty but would like to slash movement speed for all

[lunar stream]

again, it is not about movement speed

[hybrid grove]

no I was not referring to your suggestion

[lunar stream]

then that makes even less sense

[slow bough]

he replied to yeti, why are you pressed by it

[hard solar]

My post was pure sarcasm, I already play with hardships

[lunar stream]

i'm not pressed, it just seemed... a little dumb

[hard solar]

it's just a weird take, it's like you dont listen, get the wrong idea, then plant a flag to die on instead of discussing.

[hybrid grove]

look guys

devildogg opened this can of worms today

can we just end with a "fuck devildogg"

and ofc the complimentary "fuck map design" too

[lunar stream]

he opened this shithole a while back

[hybrid grove]

fuck devildogg and goofy unturned maps

[fathom bobcat]

Devildogg complains about everything

Bro dies to suicide c4 and says it needs a nerf😭

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-face-typing-very-fast-gif-24785119

Nerf guns

[tame sedge]

Oh my this chat…

[thick fulcrum]

Welcome to hell

[slate mantle]

Hi, first time?

[tame sedge]

Every time

[hard solar]

It's magical

[fathom bobcat]

Can we have no slow mode

[lunar stream]

oh fuck no

[tidal light]

I think we should just add jet packs n exo suits and let us all fly around and shit like my favorite game Advanced Warfare

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-scott-the-woz-scott-the-woz-eating-cereal-eating-cereal-gif-26057324

[young lichen]

Same here. Idk why people are so vocally against nerfing movement so that you can't just fly around being impossible to hit from anywhere but point blank

[lunar stream]

"skill issue" and "it is sooo fun"

[young lichen]

Movement has such an important place in the game given bullet velocity exists, but being able to flail and dodge bullets is not "skill" lmfao

It's fun like RPGing everything is fun, lol
ps it isnt :]

[lunar stream]

i'm done with this bs tbh, people can't properly argue about this

[young lichen]

It's really silly honestly

It drives me nuts because I enjoy the game, but hate the dumb "meta" things likr that. So I come here to point out how unfun it is to play against and provide feedback and...

[lunar stream]

yup, it is just sad

[thick fulcrum]

"Dude, don't you get it, it's fun!"

• look inside
• 120 kills 20 deaths

I'm sure everyone else had a blast 🙂

[lunar stream]

of course

but remember, these are the people who play medic and don't rez anyone

[thick fulcrum]

"Maybe cutting on the sheer volume of unpredictability and frustrating to counter movement strats-"
"Lalalalalala skill issue skill issue skill issue"

[lunar stream]

disgusting.

[bold badger]

Is 120/20 a bad thing or what?

[glacial drift]

wonder how many of these are squad spawns

[cedar flicker]

what's wrong with being good at a videogame

[glacial drift]

(Aims low, 62 extra armor makes 0 difference suddenly)

[cedar flicker]

armor really doesn't matter in this game

[glacial drift]

to be blunt only helmets matterreally

[cedar flicker]

yeah

limbs are just too big for body armor to have a real impact

[vernal aspen]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/663808283533901864.webp?size=48&name=pepeLaughYou&quality=lossless

[glacial drift]

chest armor is mainly what balance between reserves(aka grenades, & magazines) vs speeds

backpacks about the same idea

[thick fulcrum]

being good is one thing
pulling really high numbers with meta strats that aren't fun to go against and then countering other people's feedback that maybe something should be changed balance wise with "but I'M having fun tho" is another entirely

i'm not saying being good is bad, i wouldn't call myself a bad player, but the idea that something can be fun for the person doing it and very frustrating to everyone else seems to elude a lot of people

exact same thing as "skill issue"
there are points where it's a very valid critique, but there are also moments where it's used to defend unfun, unintended or otherwise just unbalanced aspects of games

(which is a good part of why it's not something that's allowed in the feedback threads, a place where ideally talk should be about how the game can be altered for the sake of game flow and fun, not about who plays well or poorly)

long story short: the issue doesn't lie on the skill of the player, it lies on assuming everyone is having a good experience because the person consistently at the top is, and when that is disproven, suggesting those in the middle of the scoreboard should just get better

it's both disingenuous of other people's experience and flat out antagonistic to newer or less meta conforming players

[hard solar]

nailed it.

[wraith timber]

Mfw this is still going

[thick fulcrum]

sadly yes

[fathom bobcat]

Yeah it’s a bad kd

Why aren’t you 200/20?

[cedar flicker]

okay but you're literally just mad at someone having a good kd?

even though it's not being used to defend any unfun or unbalanced mechanics or anything

[bold badger]

suggesting that someone has high kills with decent kd because of air strafing

you are actually delusional

[thick fulcrum]

no?
when did i even alude to that?

"Dude, don't you get it, it's fun!"

• look inside
• 120 kills 20 deaths

is very clearly intended to showcase how a lot of the time people defend mechanics on the sole reason it's fun to them, even when it's not fun to other people, if you managed to flip it on it's head on your mind, that's on you

[cedar flicker]

"I'm sure everyone else had a blast" if getting killed in a videogame is a bad time for you, then maybe don't play videogames where you can get killed?

[thick fulcrum]

Pal i play foxhole, getting killed is not the issue, the issue is defending a mechanic that takes a lot more to counter than to utilize, severely displaces a part of the guns' balances and favors one playstile above all others based on the fact that it's fun to the people who play the weapons and strats favored by it

[wraith timber]

Buff velocity

[thick fulcrum]

It's like looking at the old Littlebird gameplay
I got a few hundred hours on flight sims(mainly IL2), i can bet some of those people were actually putting all their flight sim time(maybe actually using joysticks) into playing helis and expressing a lot of skill in doing that
Was it balanced or fun to go against? No
Did it improve the intended flow of gameplay? Also no
The issue was never "the heli players were too good", they still are, just in a much more balanced framework

[thick fulcrum]

Also, this is legit another form of the 'skill issue' argument, just instead of 'get better' it's 'play something else'
Can you really not see how harmful to any constructive discussion it is?

[cedar flicker]

constructive discussion about how having a good kd means everyone else is having a bad time

[thick fulcrum]

You can have a good KD, at this point i'm just going to assume malice in how you are deliberately dodging my point here. For the last time.

You. Can. Be. Good. At. Games.

That is not the problem. The problem is that this is something that consistently shows up in discussions by multiple people, and always gets traction because it's something that improves the feel of the game for a lot of people.

And that whenever it is brought up, the few people that like it, and use it constantly to everyone else's detriment does everything they can to derail the conversation with "Skill issue".

I gotta ask, are you really doing it on purpose to get discussion to not happen because it's not about something you want in the game?

I literally made the difference between being good and dodging feedback on a basis of 'well they aren't as good so it doesn't matter' explicit like 5 times already.

[lunar stream]

common colossusqw 🇼

[hard solar]

I appreciate you @thick fulcrum

[cedar flicker]

i like the movement. i think the pacing is really good (asides from exo). airstrafing could be nerfed slightly, but overall i think it's in a good place. i just think you're an idiot for bringing up the KD thing

[cedar flicker]

there's no way to construe this message other than "doing well means other players are not having a blast"

like, either you're upset at people being just good at the game, or you're implying that you NEED to be abusing some unfair/unbalanced/etc game mechanic to have a good KD, and either argument is just straight up bad

[zinc dove]

if he didn't clarify his point after that, your point would be a good one

[thick fulcrum]

At this point, i feel like i'm better off going back to alcoholism.

[glacial drift]

I feel his point was more using unfun to play with/against tactics

[wraith timber]

Do it and gamble your life savings

[glacial drift]

AKA in CB everyone just going berserkers for the start of S11 or S12, no one liked fighting it & not many enjoyed using it (was effectively take unit out, hit 1 and than 3) not really enjoyable,exciting or so on and was just berserker balls for a hot minute til they got nerfed and the meta returned to a different overall mix

[fathom bobcat]

I could go 5-15 against some catEat person airstrafing and they get 300 kills and I’d still be having fun lmao

One single person does not make a game unfun, you make the game unfun for yourself

[hard solar]

dont bother replying

[thick fulcrum]

God, i think i DO need a drink lmao. Dang antibiotics stopping my unhealthy drinking habits.

[vernal aspen]

that’s not even a particularly impressive scoreboard just 4 kpm

[scenic warren]

can you explain what "unfun tactics" is

[fathom bobcat]

Anything I can’t beat by sitting prone in a corner with my ultimax with bipod and exo armor while screaming for a medic to heal me and saying “I can’t feel my legs”

[scenic warren]

👍👍👍👍👍👍

[glacial drift]

did give a example shortly after

[scenic warren]

i am not familiar with the game you used in your example

[glacial drift]

effectively think bannerlord

[fathom bobcat]

Don’t know what that is

[scenic warren]

i dont know what bannerlord is

[glacial drift]

you have yourself & a unit of X many following behind

[scenic warren]

can you give an example in battlebit terms seeing as how this is about battlebit

[glacial drift]

15vs15

and at the time the best tactic was just using a unit that you lost control of after hitting 3 (1 was a charge & 3 was a berserker rage, you can guess the results when I say everyone was using them)

So boring to fight, boring to do and low skill at high effectiveness

[scenic warren]

.

[fathom bobcat]

Battlebit terms (we do not play that game and therefore do understand what the fuck you are saying)

[glacial drift]

Just summed it up Danarchy

[scenic warren]

???

[glacial drift]

Boring to fight, Boring to use, Low skill at a high effect on the battlefield

[scenic warren]

what is an example of this in battlebit

[wraith timber]

Heat rpgs

[glacial drift]

best guess was stuff like drop shotting/ the spinning people do (if I recall is what Colossus said, unsure through for certain)

I can 100% see heat RPGs as well

[wraith timber]

Ap mines inside stairs

[scenic warren]

actually true, effect is debatable but yes

[fathom bobcat]

It’s fun to use and fun to fight wdym

[glacial drift]

in reference to what Danarchy?

I was repeating myself than by the way

But I would ask what is fun of losing control of a unit, than they either wipe everything out or get wiped because there were more of them, what is the skill per say

[scenic warren]

i think danarchy was responding to this

[glacial drift]

Ah

[fathom bobcat]

If it’s no skill why doesn’t everyone use it

[glacial drift]

Personally I find fighting it boring, just causes me to aim at legs more

and I find doing it feels unsatisfying here

and danarchy not everyone will do the best tactics for various reasons, like as you heard what I said

[slate mantle]

Same reason not everyone uses the best gun available to them

[slow bough]

people willingly "nerf" themself but then blame others for using it and call them sweaty players
I like that

[scenic warren]

quite humorous

[slate mantle]

I mean i don’t blame others, it’s in the game, use it, I just don’t think it should be the way it is now

[scenic warren]

Why not?

[glacial drift]

Either way I am unsure as stated prior if that was the thing he meant (read it hours ago & been working on various things)

and Maay, in terms of somethings I can understand you saying that

AKA not using say a mechanic like vaulting

[slate mantle]

While I do enjoy the speedy movements, as I enjoy being high mobility, I think this is too high for too little loss. Taking support as a dichotomy, they sacrifice A LOT of movement speed for an almost negligible armor increase, arguably a shitty trade. Meanwhile, being high mobility is so fucking free and low commitment, you’d be silly to not do it. And yes, I’m calling myself silly.

[scenic warren]

Are you advocating for a general speed decrease for others or a general speed increase for support?

[wraith timber]

Armor rework

[scenic warren]

Good third option

[slate mantle]

Im Fine with overall speed, support can stay as slow as it is if it’s defensive capabilities actually paid off in turn. What I DONT think is fine is the ability to so rapidly change directions without punishment.

[glacial drift]

In terms of Support I do feel he has a lot of weaknesses with no real upsides right now

[slow bough]

best example are the diehard support players
they dislike how "bad" their class is so everytime they come across a medic player playing the game the way they want it they immediaetely are some sweaty tryhards, that opinion about medic has been spread numerous times in several channels and scream for ridiculous nerfs (looking at the movementspeed etc) instead of asking for buffs for their class

these threads are hilarious to me cuz the actively choose to play the slower class AND THEY KNOW IT but end up wanting to bash medics for omg SPEED

[scenic warren]

This is a general movement nerf across the board which will include support

[glacial drift]

Personally Maay, the medkit is a touch strong

[slate mantle]

Honestly I think both is true. Support is too weak and medic is too strong.

If we take assault as the true average. They got nothing special.

[glacial drift]

But to sum up, I do agree with Demyxa on that

[wraith timber]

Medkit is only "strong" because of infinite self heal its fucking ass at healing others

[glacial drift]

Medic is a outlier like support is

and sworce, infinite & best self healing in thegame to be more precise

[slow bough]

im sure such things as medkits can be touched etc
But the overall scheme with a lot of people in this thread is to look at nerfs nerfs nerfs for medics instead of just pushing every class value higher

[glacial drift]

but I do agree it could use team side buffs on it

[wraith timber]

Same difference still dogshit at healing others

[slate mantle]

Yeah for all I care Make support slower, as long as their one gimmick (armor) gets the buff and viability it needs to be a worthwhile trade

[glacial drift]

Maay you ever heard the phrase power creep?

[wraith timber]

You don't want armor buffs with the current system trust me

[slate mantle]

Rework + exo buffs then

It’s just not a worthwhile trade with the current meta being speed.

[glacial drift]

I would say add a armor repair kit or two would be a good start

[slate mantle]

Wait guys were doing it wrong, we’re actually having a calm and respectful conversation…
Quick start insulting eachother!!!!

[glacial drift]

DEMYXA THAT HG GUY IS A STUPID BRAINLESS IDIOT!

[slate mantle]

[glacial drift]

but anyhow

[slow bough]

yeah i did, i played enough games where power creeped turned into an issue but i hightly doubt that such power creep would become a big problem in a game such as battlebit

i bet a lot of current "sweats" would even play assault if it had some valueable points that would make the class good
calling us medic crutches is straight up dumb and i heard that term a few times in the last 2 days even tho we would literally play assault if it had value

[glacial drift]

I do feel we need to go "Where is the power bar suppose to be?"

[glacial drift]

haven't heard of medic called a crutch yet, mainly I hear RPG heat getting that label

[slate mantle]

The true neutral should be Assault / Squadlead.

[glacial drift]

I would agree with assault being a nice middle ground option

[slate mantle]

No special gimmicks, just your bog standard run of the mill soldier

[fathom bobcat]

Reload speed

[slate mantle]

I Said special gimmicks

[slow bough]

oh boy, some people get really upset with medic players LMAO you would be surprised
But yeah i feel like medic is at a good point, maybe medkit shouldnt be an instaheal upon taking damage and have a small cooldown after receiving damage but other than that i have no big issues with medic (i know i play medic so its hilarious that i say it)

[slate mantle]

I know about the ADS and RS buff but they’re not meaningful enough to be compared to other classes

[glacial drift]

Everyone gets upset at something, I saw a guy get upset at exo chest

[slow bough]

me running across the field with my medkit out, taking a bullet and immediately healing it back up (if its not a bleed right away) is a bit silly i cant lie

[wraith timber]

My will to live if exo was consistent

[slate mantle]

Boy do I have a LIST of clips where that shit got me out of situations.

[glacial drift]

Personally I would say make the self heal portion a progress bar (think similar to the bandage system) and buff up the team heal side more

being honest even with a bleed

it is benefitial, you get a 40 HP boost at how fast of a speed of bandaging

[slate mantle]

Healing from 20HP to Full in six seconds while cranking fucking 90s like I’m trying to roleplay as ninja on roids is not okay

[glacial drift]

than swap back to medkit

But yea, medic's medkit is a problem child of sorts right now (oddly it is better at self than team heals)

[slow bough]

ya its pretty strong having the instaheal whenever even while still being shot but that do be silly and i can see that that might be somehwat stronk if not even too stronk but other than that i see no issue with medic as it is
other classes are just not on par with it which makes it stand out SO MUCH

[glacial drift]

raised afew ideas prior on some changes in the medkit's channel

Well kinda

Maay, medic by a default right now has the fastest healing speeds ingame period

[slate mantle]

Honestly a lot of people have said it, add slight slowdown on sharp turns. This will only truly affect the fast classes and punish them for too erratic movement, and not affect slow classes (as much) because there is no speed to kill in the first place.

[glacial drift]

they can even heal while reloading and bandage themselves far faster, while also getting quite a lot of XP from healing

engineer has RPG and 29 out of 39 weapons to pick from (primaries)

so he is in a decent to good spot, recon is recon nuff said, and support is based around armor & construction being good/avaible

assault gets outclassed in weapon count & such by medic

SL is disabled so not much point speaking of him currently

[slate mantle]

The truest of neutrals… being disabled

[slow bough]

tbf as it should have
its a medic in the end
so if we now add something or buff something of the support that makes it stand out as a support
same for engi (even tho engi might be fine), assault etc i feel like medics spot is fine with some fine tuning on the medkit as mentioned before

also the amount of healing xp and the xp from reparing right now is something that actually needs to be addressed, kinda absurd what amount of xp is farmable by holding down a single button

[glacial drift]

will agree on those xp sources being a touch extreme to say the least

[slate mantle]

It’s supposed to incentivise team play I guess

[glacial drift]

Medic I feel currently has too much similaries to assault in his current setup

[wraith timber]

Incentivised team play vs you getting shot

[slow bough]

i see the point but if you compare someones apm getting kills and getting objectives versus someone holding down a single button and then seeing the amount of xp the rightclick-holder gets its absurd

[glacial drift]

mixed with better tools to do a assault's job

[tame sedge]

very player movement like convo (:

[slate mantle]

See here’s the thing.
Assault should be the true neutral, every other class should be a meaningful side grade, not a straight upgrade.

Medic - 100% upgrade
Engineer - also solid upgrade
Recon - alright sidegrade with need of work
Support - definite downgrade

[glacial drift]

(I may be of the opinion to swap some of the tools & such about & around)

[tame sedge]

it is what it is, wont stop it

[wraith timber]

Ligma

[slow bough]

kinda turned into an everything convo sorry boss

[slate mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/run-away-run-escape-chase-leave-gif-4927885

[slow bough]

[glacial drift]

hey snoman & welcome to what turns into a wide spreading topic

[slate mantle]

This isn’t what proper class balance should look like

[glacial drift]

Agreed, I would say every class should have a preferred range of sorts

[slate mantle]

Medic wins because speed, support loses because slow

[wraith timber]

this is probably why battlefield never had 5 classes

[glacial drift]

and armor sucks currently for it's tradeoffs

[slow bough]

the forbidden word, QUICK GET HIM

[slow bough]

[slate mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/tgto-zombie-orpheus-onwaaard-the-gamers-rpg-gif-17217581

[wraith timber]

4 distinct classes ggez
5? Impossible

[glacial drift]

I could see 5

[wraith timber]

I can barely but convincing oki

[slate mantle]

Anyway gang I should go, this polite and respectful conversation is about to make me lose NNN… toodles

[fathom bobcat]

I get upset at it when I shoot some guy and look away because I think I killed him

[umbral frigate]

Isnt it against the rules to say skill issue in these threads? @tame sedge

[fathom bobcat]

Loser

Bro is telling a mod cause he too much of a bitch💀

[umbral frigate]

If im not allowed to say it, they shouldnt be either

especially because they are the ones complaining about movement because they cant aim

[glacial drift]

So I shall state this, that would got several people penalized at this rate

for posting that image to clarify

also by tech didn't you just say it as well?

[lunar stream]

that was sarcasm
i referred to myself

💀

because it was the only "argument" they had...

[topaz spire]

bros the kinda guy who reminds the teachers to check homework

💀

[slow bough]

meanwhile 2 out of your 3 arguments are: it looks dumb and is skill-less
I don't really see your points being better

[lunar stream]

it is too effective for how little effort it takes.

[slow bough]

you probably had like two or three encounters in which the spinning actually made some dude survive or escape cuz i feel like you give this "mechanic" way too much credit

it isnt even difficult to kill someone spinning like that cuz the majority of players do it too fast which makes them pretty much not move and turn into a stationary kebab thats spinning instead of actually strafing left and right properly

[lunar stream]

yes and no, i get away far too easily with stupid shit, there are effectively no concequences
and i'm only moderately skilled
on the other hand, shooting someone who is spinning is complete rng, just like high h-recoil, there's a reason people prioritize h-recoil reduction
=> you can't account for random, only react and with how quick the direction changes it is impossible to account for, at that point it is just spray and pray

[slow bough]

so cuz you get away with stupid shit you "blame" spinning for it instead of maybe looking at the enemies you are fighting in that moment? The amount of times i ran into pretty much what felt like A.I and got out without even doing unnecessary spinning or movement in general is quite humerous. I hate speaking about a skill difference in this community cuz this topic is so hated but we gotta face the truth lol
There is a big gap between players in this game and that isnt just all thanks to "sweaty tactics or unfun tactics" like some people have mentioned here before. Attempting "spinning" against a pretty good player usually ends up in dying no matter how hard you would try but using such things as an argument wont be taken serious by serval people in the feedback section

[lunar stream]

ofc i've had that aswell lol
but no, i mean dumb situations that i got myself into that i should not have survived
also by extension teamwork and tactics get replaced by "haha w+sprint and mouse arm spasms go brrr"

which doesn't do the "teamwork and communication based" part of this game any good (it is non existent)

[cedar flicker]

not having to rely on your teammates is a good thing. teamwork is encouraged and rewarded, but not necessary. which is good for the flow of the game, especially since most of your teammates usually have brain damage

milsim mode will have an emphasis on teamwork and communication

[slow bough]

if you are looking for teamwork and tactics i feel like you are playing the wrong game
battlebit is in the same sub category such as battlefield etc and it is overall just a casual fight for points and kills.. no such things as tactics or teamwork are really needed (im well aware using other games for comparison is bad but im not trying to compare them to each other) if you look for tactics and teamwork games such as squad or insurgency fit it better or you wait for the milsim mode as mentioned

people try to squeeze battlebit into a subgenre of fps that it simply isnt intending to please tbh

[lunar stream]

it's not about forcing, but at least some more "enforcement"
rn it's just ffa with 2 teams

[cedar flicker]

enforcement is literally a synonym of forcing

enforcing, forcing, whatever the fuck, it has no place in the regular modes of battlebit

teamwork is already rewarded. you're going to do much better as a coordinated group. but it's not necessary to play the game or do well

[lunar stream]

that's why i have it in ""
encouraging would not have been fit either

[slow bough]

did you ever play a battlefield game and expect insane teamwork and tactics other than just people going brrrr kills cuz thats literally whats happening with this game too

If you want some insane tactics or teamwork from both sides instead of an ffa you would want the milsim mode to actually be released

and this whole thing gets more humerous to me the moment movement is supposed to get nerfed cuz it puts "tactics and teamwork" in the shadow like

[lunar stream]

and Maay, teamwork and communication were a big part of the marketing
on top of oki stating multiple times this isn't supposed to be a milsim nor an arcade shooter
(i don't wan't milsim communication in my casual game, kinda strawman-y)

[slow bough]

casual exactly thats the point
this whole tactics and teamwork stuff is being forced way too much that it isnt even casual anymore

[lunar stream]

and please don't pretend there's any need for teamplay outside needing the occasional support player restock ._.

[slow bough]

literally it HAS to exist and any other gameplay isnt acceptable type of feeling in this discord

flanking, medic "sweats" etc is just straight up looked down upon the moment it doesnt fit the strict milsim approach of numerous players

[lunar stream]

there is not one actual milsimmer i've seen on here
and if they always respected this game as a casual experience

nerfed air strafing =/= milsim

it is actually part of most casual games :0

if you wanted a truly casual game then there would be no point in arguing against spinning

[hybrid grove]

what is this ? socialism ? Kills should be divided amongst everyone evenly ☝️🤓

If I can't kill that many, nobody else should either ☠️

[thick fulcrum]

Thank you for the incredible interpretation of my post, this truly is a forum thread moment.

[hybrid grove]

The socialist recoils back as he realises his pointless argument about high score has been called out.

[thick fulcrum]

God, this Circus sucks, none of the clowns are funny

[hybrid grove]

Specially the ones that want people with high score to tune it down because nobody else seems to enjoy the game.

[thick fulcrum]

Did you read |any| of what I wrote?
How hard does your brain have to clench to ignore 90% of what I said and get "people playing well bad" out of it

[lunar stream]

another day of bad takes and clownary from kata

[hybrid grove]

says the idiot who wants air movement to be removed because it looks funny but somehow doesn't realise the exo player vaulting and swimming is even funnier

[hybrid grove]

your singular point about score is what can open the debate for whether game should be exclusive for casuals or regular players

[lunar stream]

it's more realistic to vault and swim in that iron maiden than to flick your velocity around instantly (while in the air) i should know, i go outside and do swimming

[hybrid grove]

Oh so you swim in a juggernaut suit with 500 rounds of ammo and 5 trophy systems

[lunar stream]

but w/e you only argue in bad faith and have nothing of value to add

[hybrid grove]

but you don't understand it must be removed simply because it looks funny in roblox battlefield

[thick fulcrum]

Yes, "most people don't like this thing in the game" obviously means "yes everyone else should just shut up and endure the badly balanced game aspect because they're casuals"
I should have expected this level of argumentation from someone calling basic game balance socialism and using a pepe pfp

[lunar stream]

hey i can aswell kata

🤝

[hybrid grove]

Urm its Apu Apustaja ackshually, you nincompoop ☝️🤓
But hey I can understand balancing, thats fair enough - fixing other classes so that everyone has a fair shot at that score

[lunar stream]

class balancing =/= balanced movement

[hybrid grove]

☝️🤓 Look guys I did the clown emoji , I made a le funni

[hybrid grove]

balancing movement across all classes, dumbass

[lunar stream]

yes, yes indeed

[lunar stream]

ohhh did i hurt your fee fees so now you must insult me? awwww ):

[hybrid grove]

sure certainly you did not misunderstood me when I said balancing all classes

[slow bough]

the only words schlamm understands are
movement nerfs and inertia

[lunar stream]

i misunderstand you as "class balance" (some classes are inherently slower) and "movement balance" - if such thing even exists - are two different things in my mind

god i love ad hominems

[hybrid grove]

no you do not understand, if schlamm find its funny it must removed @slow bough

[lunar stream]

you're funny.

[hybrid grove]

Not more than you

or your reasoning

[keen tangle]

[glacial drift]

I did not hear removed, simply nerfed Kata

[glacial drift]

same idea

[glacial drift]

I feel these are the only ones you locked onto based on my reading

correct me if I am wrong

[eternal harbor]

Make vaulting more in line with movement

Air strafing needs to not be a thing with the way it is or add a cooldown to bunnyhopping akin to lean spam nerf

Inertia may sound good on paper but honestly medic needs to be brought down in terms of movespeed as they're just insane

No opinions of dropshotting besides making the prone animation longer or smoother

Not surprising how bad this whole thread went down the shitter to people who can't argue properly or just derail.

[vernal aspen]

its not medic with the movespeed its the lighter armor and smgs the fact you dont know this makes your whole suggestions irrelevant

[zinc dove]

I mean, medic is the most prevalent, and engys tend to not have the lighter armor and backpacks cause RPG.

[vernal aspen]

irrelevant

movement is fine the way it is, only change is a lean spam nerf undo and sped up vaulting

[zinc dove]

pretty relevent lol

[umbral frigate]

Actually not

[lunar stream]

irrelevant because he took the class mainly associated with speedy movement instead of the guns and armor relevant to making you so fast in the first place
solid argument 👍

[umbral frigate]

Im gonna be honest bro

What you just said made no sense at all

[zinc dove]

"irrelevant (only) because he took the class (that is) mainly associated with speedy movement(,) instead of the guns and armor relevant to making you so fast in the first place
solid argument 👍"

[eternal harbor]

So what makes it irrelevant instead of shooting down any possible argument.

If medic is not the problem with its movespeed then why does everyone mention it? As far as I know you've been sitting here mentioning (even low-key) skill issue time to time with the way you speak.

Please give something else instead of echoing

[umbral frigate]

It still makes zero sense

[lunar stream]

it was a little bit of sarcasm (maybe)

[umbral frigate]

I understand its sarcastic, it just doesnt make any sense

[lunar stream]

essentially
"oh you made this one mistake? too bad now your entire argument is worthless because i said so"

[umbral frigate]

oh

nah, its still irrelevant, medic isnt even the fastest class

[lunar stream]

an increadibly dumb way to "argue"

[umbral frigate]

how can you say other peopel are dumb when your dumb

[lunar stream]

no one who's sane plays assault

[lunar stream]

you're 😉

[umbral frigate]

engi is faster as well

[lunar stream]

only if you compromise on significant fire power

[umbral frigate]

no?

[lunar stream]

also i never said he is dumb, i said his argumentation/way of arguing is
you on the other hand...

[zinc dove]

medic and engy would run the same speed, I think engy with no armor can run .1 faster

[lunar stream]

you lose multiple rpgs and a lot of ammo

[zinc dove]

but that would also mean small backpack

[lunar stream]

compared to assault

[zinc dove]

so it would be commit to engy with minimal gadget slots

[eternal harbor]

Another thought I had, maybe make everyone a global speed and have a total weight system? Gadgets obviously included in the total weight but this might bring the same problem in the end.

[zinc dove]

just weapon weight would be fine

[lunar stream]

only problems rn are the goofy ahh prone animations and air spinning (it's too easy)

[zinc dove]

would bring nearly everyone into the same top speed envelope, barring sniper rifles and LMGs.

[vernal aspen]

nah vault speed is way too slow compared with everything else

[slate mantle]

That one is true

[tidal light]

I think we should just make the game completely stationary and remove the need for players to move and just teleport players at random in front of people

[slate mantle]

Especially with it being the same button as normal jump

[slate mantle]

Holoport Locomotion

[wraith timber]

Engi is faster iirc

[hybrid grove]

Keep in mind, these are conquest players.

[grizzled kayak]

Idk what happened, but can we get a Dodge roll for fun

[thick fulcrum]

Lmao we already have, it's called turning up your horizontal mouse sensitivity

And it doesn't even cost stamina like in Dark Souls!!!

[grizzled kayak]

dodge rolls are on the vertical axis smh

unlock the vertical axis.

WHO PUT SLOWMO ON FEEDBACK FOURMS, YOU MONSTER

Oh it's just this one lmao, nvm.

[fathom bobcat]

We argued too much and some loser snitched to mods

[soft pewter]

🤓

[young lichen]

I mean, the current system we have kinda emulates that, albeit not perfectly. The main issue afaik is people having full control during movement to the point where it feels like they're playing DOOM

Not to say the current system couldn't use work mind you

[thick fulcrum]

Honestly I feel like armor impacting movespeed is kinda meh
Having something more focused on mag count and gadget/grenade amount as opposed to extra speed would be more interesting on that end

As for the movement, yeah, I think people misunderstand what folks are asking for when they say they want "inertia".
No one is asking for ice skating or flight simulator physics, just the basic stuff that 99% of fps' do for good reason, the "you can't neo out of the way of a pistol" that you don't even notice it's there otherwise

[fathom bobcat]

Armor impacts movement for a reason
Exo armor should not run at the same speed as engineer no armor💀

[thick fulcrum]

Oh I'm not saying it should be the same for all armor, but there can definitely be ways to balance around this stuff
IE acceleration, aimspeed, less armor in general...a

[vernal aspen]

make exo users have 1 second ads

[thick fulcrum]

A thing I was advocating for back on the armor thread that I feel would make both using it and fighting it more interesting would be giving it the same protection as heavy armor, but some amount of blast resistance as well
Stops being a generic frustrating tank, and actually gets some specialized grenade spam countering

[cerulean steppe]

tbh I wouldn't have as big of a problem with heavy armor making you run slow if that when it breaks it should stop slowing you down

[lunar stream]

you're already slow lmfao

[sly rain]

Yeah, if you can't win a fight in cqc against a support player wearing exo, then that's on you. It already takes forever to ads with an lmg and exo, the only way a support player can win a cqc is really good hipfire skills

[zinc dove]

hipfire and big mag are the only hopes in cqc as a support

[tidal light]

or the fact that you have signifigantly more armor than the player youre going up against, more ammo, a more accurate weapon and the ability to go prone and deploy a bipod

so yeah its on me ig

[sly rain]

Did you not see me specify cqc

[zinc dove]

yeah because all of those mean something in CQC

[wraith timber]

[sly rain]

I fully understand that a support with exo can win a longer range fight. That's the point of support. You're built for medium ranges

[wraith timber]

Support related feedback is always peak comedy

[umbral frigate]

True, you lose all armor in cqc

it just turns off if the player shooting at you is close

[sly rain]

Because Oki thinks support is a joke? 😆

[wraith timber]

Because you fuckers keep magically finding ways to make support worse

[sly rain]

How so?

[tidal light]

how is it worse it just got buffed lol

[sly rain]

I ain't even sure what he thinks we did, we literally just asked Oki to make the bipod something usable

[tidal light]

and it negates all recoil lol

[wraith timber]

Man would be a real shame if support was a support and not a machine gunner

[zinc dove]

should be able to have a lighter kit with the LSWs should be able to move just as fast as with ARs and actually be a support, throwing down a box rarely does anything since your teammates just run on by

[wraith timber]

Should stop trying to define it by its armor instead of its kit

[tidal light]

Only time your box is useful is for grenades tbh

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[glacial drift]

hmm, what about bandages?

[tidal light]

I don’t get shot often so it doesn’t matter really

I run out of ammo or just bleed out if I do get shot

No point in slowing down

[glacial drift]

I tend to live a good bit here

[vernal aspen]

20 bandages ive never used em all

[tidal light]

^^

[hybrid grove]

Bandagecels seething rn

[tidal light]

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[grizzled kayak]

Aww yee

[young lichen]

I do use the boxes for bandages quite a bit, but it feels like there's too many bullets and not enough bandages if you don't have a medic with you 😢

[vapid pendant]

tru

[fathom bobcat]

Just don’t get shot

[tidal light]

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[young lichen]

Please tell me this is satire when you're saying this here-

"Don't get shot"
Meanwhile, the people who don't get shot: Literally spinning as quickly as possible

[slate mantle]

stop stealing my joke

[fathom bobcat]

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[sly rain]

Say what you will about the rest of the movement, the whole insta prone thing needs to change

[umbral frigate]

No.

[hard solar]

It's not instant, there's a transition animation

[sly rain]

It's out of sync with the hitbox, for one thing

[tidal light]

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[slate mantle]

Wrong Demy but thanks

[iron axle]

@old saddle Is this spam?

[old saddle]

yes

[tidal light]

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[slate mantle]

[tidal light]

Thanks for this gem but can’t spam bc ^

[next drift]

Can we get something done about this fucked up air strafe movement thing? If I wanted to see six degree of freedom I would play Elite Dangerous.

[young lichen]

I hate to say it, but that's literally one of the only things being complained about and half of the people here are defending it for some reason

[wraith timber]

We dont even have 6 degrees 😭

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[eternal harbor]

It's always the same group of people who defend, and if you say anything otherwise, you either get dogpiled or met with toxicity no matter what compromise you try to make.

[tidal light]

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Pick one thread to post this shit in and leave it there are like 8 threads now 💀

[glacial drift]

please do not spam

[young lichen]

at what point do we just ping a mod and tell them to nuke all the spam messages that have been getting posted for at least a month now?

[slate mantle]

Listen man I’m sorry I meant it as a joke but people just kinda took it and ran with it

I just wanted to do a funny meme when I wrote it but now it’s getting out of control

[young lichen]

It's less the joke in and of itself and more "here's some genuine feedback" and then everyone responding with "lol hehe copypasta" every time

[slate mantle]

What have I done

[young lichen]

and more the people who take it way too far

[slate mantle]

Well well well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions

[tidal light]

When can we get a mod to delete the other 7 threads talking about this issue so I don’t have to spam the fucking copy pasta

[hard solar]

You don't have to spam copypasta anyway, that's all on you

[glacial drift]

I only know of 3 , so this feedback & two different suggestion threads (Inertia & air strafe reduction)

[eternal harbor]

Wasn't there a prone one not long ago too

[glacial drift]

Ah

true, so 3 different suggestion ones, which each did their own topic to some degree

[tidal light]

They all are to do with player movement feedback..

[glacial drift]

and those 3 are different suggestions

it is like suggesting guns, it has to do with the respective feedbacks in a sense but it is a different idea, or armor

overlap does exist

[tidal light]

I’m not gonna bother explaining this to you because I know you won’t understand

[hybrid grove]

what group or what type of people are you referring to ?

[violet lark]

people who enter fps games with an overwhelming amount of grounded features and label it as a full movement shooter just because of a few extremely specific movement exploits.

[hybrid grove]

🤦‍♂️let the person answer

[eternal harbor]

Hi yes, just got on my lunch. It tends to be those who have been against inertia. I don't really care if you can pull off a hundred kill game, and in fact I'm happy for those people. But I moreso have a problem of people piling on each other and just being unbearable.

Any possible option tends to be met with either gatekeeping behavior of "get 100 kills or have no word!1!" or what I keep seeing is misusing the word casual as a means to punch people down. I've since stopped wanting to throw in any possible suggestions and just kinda lurk now.

[tidal light]

We aren’t per say punching you down all we (people who don’t want inertia added) are saying that we understand where it is you are coming from and know mostly from prior experience that this is not going to be a good change, not only will it make the game less fun to play for the people who stay, but it will likely kill the player base. Most of the people against inertia are people who have been playing this game since the very beginning and have learned the ins and outs of this game and trust you that if they believe inertia would be a good implementation they would still perform at the level they do. It’s not so much we hate inertia and the people who support it just not the change we need.

[violet lark]

except game does need inertia because its not a movement shooter. movement as unhinged as it is might be fun for another kind of fps game, but its kind of ruining it for players who were sold on more OFFICIAL grounded features. we are playing a game with stationary gadgets, fortification, health management, bleeding mechanics, vehicles, extremely detailed weapon stats, and other classes designed to be slower than others. nobody has time to engage with any of these features when players can easily bypass and exploit the game's mechanics in ways balance cannot take into account. there's a reason why inertia exists in most other FPS games, even ones with the high mobility gameplay.

[ashen quiver]

man i miss when the biggest thing ppl clamored for were shotguns

theres like 4k messages on here i feel like everything's been said abt player movement

now we just gotta wait and see what the devs try

[slate mantle]

4k here, 8k in #1170730270492721253, probably like 1-2k in #1175864269187854496, and some others somewhere.

Safe to say Shotguns are far from the most controversial feature

[ashen quiver]

fix prone to sprint i kinda understand but im ultimately apathetic about

genuinely having two camps of movement players and milsimmers isnt even either party's fault. i feel like bbr as a game is such a half measure and instead of committing to one or the other they just announced a milsim mode

not that i blame them, ultimately the casual mix of both is probably more popular than not. i enjoy it. i just dunno what the endgame is for everyone clamoring for inertia cause so many of the talking points are based on the game being "more grounded" but the same people spouting them do not seem too enthusiastic about the milsim mode either

[ashen quiver]

but yeah this is ridiculous, i feel like anything on this topic is in "wait and see" territory until the devs actually make changes (or not)

[lunar stream]

"milsimmers"

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[tidal light]

@violet lark Nobody said it was a movement shooter, nor is it what we want. Additionally if you were sold on Official grounded features and extremely detailed weapon stats, I don’t think BattleBit fits the build there. Furthermore adding inertia or not adding inertia does not prevent you from using these “official grounded features” so what difference does it make? Also I’m curious as to what bypass and exploits you are referencing here, last I checked nobody has found an anti inertia movement exploit so im curious to see what you say. Finally I wanna make sure you I understand what you mean by inertia. Inertia is part of every game, as it’s an essential part of a physics engine, yes some games may have a more presentable form of inertia but to say that this game has none is not true

[zinc dove]

it doesn't, like at all, unless you are counting acceleration to top speed as "inertia"

[tidal light]

I can’t post links lol

gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/141536/what-is-inertia-in-a-physics-engine

Please read and educate yourself

Another good resource

gamedev.docrobs.co.uk/friction-and-inertia-in-computer-games-making-things-drift

[zinc dove]

ok then, so basically everything BBR does not have in anyway shape or form.

[umbral frigate]

BBR has no inertia in player movement. The only inertia I can think of in the game is with vehicles and structures falling

Also implicitly there is inertia in animations, e.g. proning

[cedar flicker]

if enemy collision is implemented im unironically never going to play the game again lmao

it would be so terrible for the flow. imagine if you're running away from a group of enemies, and you get stonewalled by someone standing in a doorway

[slate mantle]

DOOR STUCK

i feel like it'd be funny af to just get denied by a support roleplaying as a reinforced door

[cedar flicker]

it'd be funny once or twice but then the novelty would wear off and the end result would be that moving around is more discouraged than ever, and camping is more encouraged than ever

relegate that shit to milsim mode

[slate mantle]

I doubt it would happen very often, I dunno how often people genuinely bump into eachother outside of random flank encounters.

[cedar flicker]

guess what, "random flank encounters" are fun

and with the 3D spotting on players, and enemy collision, flanking becomes essentially unviable

[slate mantle]

the spot isn't gonna save you from a cheeky flank, the whole point of a flank is hitting someone unaware of you, so they're likely not even gonna see that you got pinged (I swear most people I see have the situational awareness of a toddler).
And if they do, they probably were expecting you anyway because they were using their ears

[cedar flicker]

i think you really underestimate how powerful tracking someone through walls is

[glacial drift]

assault with riot shield?

[glacial drift]

does it track through walls?

[cedar flicker]

#dev-wip message

[glacial drift]

so it does track you on map

[cedar flicker]

the red dot also stays on them

[glacial drift]

looked like it disappeared when he when behind a tree in the one, be it I suppose we need more answers

[cedar flicker]

it disappeared because the ping duration ran out

[glacial drift]

Ah

[sly rain]

I was on a server with collision and honestly experienced no real problems. It was actually far better, though I was on a 64v64 server. Might be a bit much on the larger servers.

[zinc dove]

with enemy collision i don't think it would be that bad, friendly collision might be a bit much in casual

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[fathom bobcat]

A toddler is being nice

[uncut moth]

^exactly. explain how we get 30 multis without sniping or vehicle or c4!

the majority of bbr players are blind deaf and dumb

[cedar flicker]

#dev-wip message

yeah no, it's joever

C4 is still blatantly overpowered but oki is nerfing movement and flanking instead

[zinc dove]

running through enemies is "movement and flanking"?

the hell you on

[snow ruin]

It's only a nerf for movement if you're a smg medic player who's constantly flying through the world like they're neo.

The spotting depends on if this is a team wide spot, or still just for the spotter and their squadmates.

[tough reef]

Enemy collision being a nerf to movement is a giant stretch to the realm of unrelated stuff but.. flanking? What?

Though c4 has to be nuked

[umbral frigate]

"It's only a nerf to movement if you use movement in its current state"

[cedar flicker]

there's 127 players on the enemy team and every single one can be blocking a doorway on the map. getting behind enemies would be harder than ever