Player Movement - Feedback

[dusty stump]

Depends on what you're comparing to. It is, obviously, slower than hitscan, which is a large percentage of other FPS games. Its also to important to consider that movement speed is stupid fast compared to other FPS games of its genre.

Things like DMRs and SRs feel like they have high velocities, as they should, but handguns, SMGs, carbines, and even some ARs have pretty low velocities. Combined with the super high player movement speed, and you end up having to lead shots even at 10m in some cases, making it very easy to miss. The lack of inertia makes that even worse. It's probably part of why oki felt the need to develop a new hitreg system (and the new system has been an L if you ask me)

[warm nova]

Fighting more than 1 person is already hard enough and slowing down movement would just make it harder.

But with that being said movement should be harder because jumping around also takes no skill

[dusty stump]

...you're supposed to be at an inherent disadvantage when trying to 1v[x] people lol

[dusty stump]

And this is pretty much what this entire thread has been trying to get oki to realise, so spot on.

Ability to aim and shoot should be what determines your ability to win a gunfight, especially when outnumbered, not your ability to wiggle

[warm nova]

I think fast movement should be a thing but it should just be harder to do

[dusty stump]

Because right now, there's an extreme skew towards fast movement, because of how fast it is and how easy it is to abuse, and that itself leads to a pretty extreme skew towards high RPM weapons, since you have less time between each shot, thus less chance of missing the lightspeed medic you're trying to shoot.

[shadow patio]

imo FPS games will almost always have a skew towards high RPM, no matter the design. It's just such a huge qualitative asset, they're so much more forgiving.
Which is why AK15 etc having shit like slower movement and ADS speed compared to their faster firing AR competition is actually just stupid and a losing design space LOL

[warm nova]

I dont have a problem of people using movement with high firerate guns because using movement to get in close to the enemy with a gun thats good in cqc is just what they are expected to do with the gun.

[dusty stump]

Sure, but this game isn't... apex? I dunno what the mainstream movement shooters are. But my point is; once you are in a firefight, I think that your ability to aim and shoot should be of paramount importance.

BBR is "a game with really fast movement", but it is not a game with dedicated, sophisticated movement tech like, for example, Titanfall. The movement is scuffed as hell, and that is 100% not the same as actually having movement tech by design

[dusty stump]

Getting close to an enemy via flanking? Sure, thats fine and IMO encouraged. But being able to Neo your way around the bullets of someone who is already shooting at you simply by wiggling and close the distance like that? That's bullshit

[warm nova]

I dont like the wiggling jumping thing taking no skill which is why i said to make movement harder, but i say movement should still be a thing in battlebit because if it wasn't the skill gap in cqc would just include aim.

[vernal aspen]

bro the ump and fal are meta what are you on about

speed up vaulting n the movement would feel much more fluid tbh

[lunar stream]

if we could jump for a tap and vault for a press the movement would already feel a lot more fluid
and vaulting's already so freaking fast do you want to instantly warp over an object?

[slate mantle]

https://tenor.com/view/parkour-theoffice-freerunning-gif-5128248

[lunar stream]

already have that, just janky vaulting/jumping + dumb air mobility coming to frick it up

[vernal aspen]

vaulting is not very fast

the advice is to do a 360 when doing it because of how slow it is

[lunar stream]

it is
unless you play support
if you want a faster game go play tf|2
oh nvm this game's already faster than it and it isn't even trying to be a movement shooter, whatever 🤷

[vernal aspen]

logical fallacy goin crazy

i want to improve this game not play another

[eternal harbor]

The problem with vaulting is that it's a flow killer. It just feels awful when it happens considering the amount of times I die because I accidentally vault trying to go over a knee gap

[vernal aspen]

yep, same with bleeding

[lunar stream]

bleeding is one the only things keeping this game from being bf with funny roblox people mind you

[vernal aspen]

nope, the weapons and leaning make it different

[eternal harbor]

I think the bleeding is fine personally

[vernal aspen]

bleeding is a bullshit inconsistent mechanic that the game would benefit from a removal; however this is not the bleeding thread so lets keep it to movement

[lunar stream]

alright then take that away as well, it probaly kills the flow too am i right xD

[eternal harbor]

It's a different system and not really a part of movement. And yeah agreed

[lunar stream]

i'm pretty sure it got some solid rules tho
you health equals or is under 40hp, you bleed anything else idk
the rules for that are known tho, you can read them in one of the community server updates

[eternal harbor]

It feels random because we can't see our health values unless if we heal

[lunar stream]

well try to get oki to add an hp bar xD

[zinc dove]

me who has been doing that ever since I split the keybinds: You are correct

[cedar flicker]

vault speed should scale with movement speed

[zinc dove]

vault is quick

its when you are "vaulting" over something as tall or taller than you(or above you) where its slow

which is technically not vaulting at all, its climbing over something

[cerulean steppe]

It should be had in 1v2 fight if both people are shooting at you?

[cerulean steppe]

that's exactly what most of the post i make are about. remove the ability to just spam jumps and randomly spin your mouse around while running to be an extremely hard to hit target.

[cerulean steppe]

the problem is you shouldn't be able to make stupid pushes because you can run out of cover without much worry because you can abuse how there is no inertia to your movements and you just go full speed in the direction you look even if you jumping in mid air then do a 180

I'm not saying reduce movement speeds to a snails pace.

I think that you shouldn't be at 100% speed as soon as you sprint (especially if your doing it from prone) maybe make it take 1 second before then and if you completely 180 it will do the same. Also if your in mid air you shouldn't be able to 180 and completely change detections intead when you jump you go in the direction it was withvery little abilitie to shift the playersome not just out right change direction.

[lunar stream]

tldr: acceleration and inertia
a lot of people ask for that
same for jumping to be done by tapping and vaulting to be done by holding the space bar

[dusty stump]

do we want "tap for jump, hold for vault", or do we want vaulting to require a forward-movement input to be able to be triggered?

[lunar stream]

good thing aswell, but i think the w+jump is just to unfluid, cumbersome if you will for this game imo

[zinc dove]

the tap and hold would likely be best for most causal players(even if I like the split keybinds myself)

[dusty stump]

fuck it, no harm in letting the player choose their method themself now that i think about it

[lunar stream]

exactly, it's easier to understand and also comes as a natural thing, atleast for me

[zinc dove]

it allows moving on buildings and catching ledges to be far easier if split, since I can hold vault while jumping separately

[lunar stream]

👍

[zinc dove]

also means no accidental vaults if I'm in a panic

[lunar stream]

i just move to fast most of the time to do those shenanigans
and i think a lot of people don't find that to be very intuitive nor easy to pick up and apply in game

[dusty stump]

or vaulting over a half-foot log and consequentially having my ADS thrown to the fucking moon

[zinc dove]

eh true(arma player I am used to using the entire keyboard)

[lunar stream]

[zinc dove]

but having the ability to just jump without worry, and bounce on top of terrain features if really nice once I did that

[dusty stump]

that reminds me, fucking get rid of the stupid aim and camera shake from falling while ADS until it can be done properly. the number of times i step down from a ledge while ADS and the game is suddenly trying to give me motion sickness... its awful

[zinc dove]

yeah

and the fact it means nothing

since you are still aiming exactly where you want to be

I can admit I abused this to jump shot tanks before

[dusty stump]

and sometimes, its not even a ledge. itll just... trigger at random every now and then because some weird map geometry made the game think id fallen off a ledge or something

[zinc dove]

not fair for the tank I can also say

[dusty stump]

tanks and APCs have it rough anyway, and will continue to have it rough so long as oki just ignores the massive problem that is C4

[zinc dove]

I dont see why it has to do alot of damage

hell they are half the size of a normal breaching charge

but they can blow up vehicles from one player?

[dusty stump]

or be thrown so rapidly. or hell, i dont think it should be available to anyone but engi, and maybe assault in much lower quantities

[zinc dove]

I want it like bf3

5 meter throw range, great damage

irl still doesn't make sense but alot more fair and fun

and can still blow open walls, just not the ones 2-3+ stories high

[dusty stump]

5m is a lot. pretty sure that would be enough to reach the bottom of the third story of most buildings

(with a jump, definitely would)

[zinc dove]

I guess fair, but its not 15 to 20 meters as it is now

aiming up anyway

[dusty stump]

i mean, im pretty sure its already about 5m. you really gotta be moving foward, aiming at a 45degree angle, and jumping to get anywhere near 15+m right now

(which is still dumb, dont get me wrong)

[zinc dove]

yeah the 5 meters was max range in bf3, otherwise it was placed right in front of you

maybe close to 8

but anyway far shorter than this games

[dusty stump]

hell, just have aiming up with C4 alter the X-axis distance its thrown, so that between 0 and 45 degrees, the actual distance thrown is the same, just takes a higher arc to get there, and then above 45 degrees would act the same as it does now, to be able to sacrific distance for additional height

because at the end of the day, its not a throwable

[digital jetty]

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battlefield uses interesting effect once you prone/crounch after run, you gain speed bonus for 1 second to get cover once you getting prone. so you wont prone RIGHT THERE, you can little bit change your position. its a kind of "evasion" that originally designed in Unreal Tournament, where you double-top A/D to make small side jump (cus of you can RUN to the side, only walk)

[digital jetty]

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• please allow to bind keys in the options to pairs, like you can climb over cover only if you press SHIFT+SPACE (or better alternative) in same time, otherwise i need to bind jump to mouse scroll, AND to a SPACE, and climb - only to SPACE. Most of the covers could be jumped over instead of climbing every second
• also better climbing would work if the actor gets ON the cover instead of OVER ther cover. useful thing to get windowsill, and yes, just jumping does to, but if you climb - you're already falling
• or maybe it is one complex problem and could be solved by implementing "low size cover will not trigger climbing"

[grizzled kayak]

You can do bullet points in discord

Idk if this would help you format, but I saw the formatting so I wanted to suggest it lol

[eternal harbor]

Wait how, I've never known this since '16 discord

[grizzled kayak]

It's just - I believe.

• see
• like
• this

You can do * too I think

• see
• like
• this

There's a third one, I forget which one it is

[eternal harbor]

I'm still confused. Mind putting the spoiler tag before the modifier so I could see?

[grizzled kayak]

"-" or "*"

you put them in front of whatever you want to bullet point. Use shift+enter to do new lines

.* like this

.- or this

• I
• like
• to
• move
• fast

Formatting makes you seem smarter. That's the trick boys

[eternal harbor]

So some test like
*This

• or that

Oh I see now

A space just before, coo

[slate mantle]

• kek
• awesome

[soft pewter]

• he

[dusty stump]

what the fuck happened here

[oak dove]

you gotta be one of those guys zig zaging and b hoping on bf4 tdm with an "aek" you are aids my guy. I can be a sweat too but it gets exhausting doing all that.

[sly rain]

Please Oki give us inertia

[hard solar]

100% the opposite, I play primary support and sometimes engineer or assault

But I mean cool opinion, very based

[eternal harbor]

Those AEK people are very easy to wipe even with their hopping, and even then it wasn't as bad as bf3 A3 hopping lol

[zinc dove]

bf4 bhopping was easy to counter because airstrafe wasn't that bad lol, and speed was nowhere near what it is here.

[hard solar]

I'd be happy to see consecutive jumps kill momentum

[sand swan]

It would be nice if running speeds over 1.0 had a more prominent impact on base movement speed (Hipfire / strafing).

[thick fulcrum]

Yea comparing it to battlefield is weird considering how much tamer it was in battlefield

[eternal harbor]

Truly makes you see who had the certain issues with gameplay :)

BF was very tolerable and what helps the most is that every class has the same movement speed, just different gadgets n weapons n shit

[glacial drift]

I presume CS style where repeated hops will eventually make you move at a snail's pace?

[hard solar]

Yes

[thick fulcrum]

CS also does momentum and inertia really well, i'm not sure how it is doing in 2 but back on GO it always felt well balanced

You didn't really notice it but the moment any custom server turned it off it became obvious just how much inertia helped the game's pace

[grizzled kayak]

Tbh, if this game controlled like CS it would suck ass

A little more intertia in the movement would hurt at all though, but if this game felt like CSGO when moving I'd hate it 😂

[zinc dove]

yeah, honestly inertia only on change of direction, if that's even possible, would be the best I think.

[eternal harbor]

I wouldn't mind a hybrid of BF and CS tbh

I'll explain a lil more on what I imagine after grabbing a pint rq

[vernal aspen]

dude what you don’t get is that it doesn’t get exhausting we aren’t sweating that’s just how we play the game

this thread is full of people talking about nerfing a completely fine movement system

if anything i’d like to see it a bit faster

[sly rain]

"Completely fine," he says.

I watched somebody zigzag through bullets because the guns firerate wasn't fast enough

This is supposed to be a tactical shooter, not a movement shooter

[vernal aspen]

no way this is a serious statement

[vernal aspen]

skill issue

[vernal aspen]

this game is very clearly not a tactical shooter, why would you think that

name me one other tactical shooter where people get 6 kills per minute regularly

[violet lark]

why would you think its a movement shooter or a full arcade shooter? the game has vehicles, bleeding, health management, in-depth weapon mechanics, a significant amount of stationary gadgets, squad management, and weight stats applied to equipment that specifically slows down your movement. by all accounts, the very few arguably flawed mechanics that allow this much unhinged mobility does not blend well with the game's overall content/design/balance.

[vernal aspen]

it undeniably is a movement shooter, the air strafing, leaning dropshotting and lean peaking make this more movement shooter than any other arcade fps game. vehicles != tactical, bleeding should be removed for being a bullshit inconsistent mechanic, stationary gadgets doesnt imply tactical shooter, squad management nobody uses, and making some guns run faster than others doesnt have anything to do with it being a movement shooter

[iron axle]

Air-strafing is only because that's the "default code" that Unity implements. You have to put in extra effort to add inertia, and/or restrict movement in the air. It's not like Oki intentionally coded it this way

[wraith timber]

in depth wheeze

[iron axle]

Air-strafing is something inexperienced devs implement accidently, same with trying to calculate physics or movement based on framerate and not time (something oki also did)

[wraith timber]

its a confused mess between arcade and milsim that still hasnt been dealt with because ea is still being treated like playtests

[sly rain]

And there is where I know you don't know how to read.

Can't think of an argument so you yell skill issue at me

[vernal aspen]

just aim at him dawg

[sly rain]

While yes, this happened to me, I'm also saying that I've watched other people(mostly medics, because of course) zigzag through bullets

[vernal aspen]

yeah thats the point of air strafing? to avoid bullets?

[sly rain]

Except, again, this game was originally intended to be more milsim. I sincerely doubt Oki intended for people to be able to do that, and as has been said, most of the games mechanics imply a squad-based, more tactical game.

[wraith timber]

game is barely an actual movement shooter but lmaoxd dogshit velocity since everyone wanted a velocity murder we have this

[vernal aspen]

yeah they started as a milsim and nobody wanted to play it thats why its an arcade mix

a game where people drop 200 kills isnt a tactical game

[sly rain]

You sure about that? Planetside 2 managed it.

[wraith timber]

you dont have to make the game slow to be tactical

[wraith timber]

[soft pewter]

let us b hop

[sly rain]

I'm not saying make the game slow. I'm fine with people being speedy, I'm saying make the game a little more reasonable in terms of inertia. Oki needs to pick a playstyle for the game and stick with it.

[soft pewter]

this might be a hott take but I kinda like the mix of milsim and arcade mechanics

it makes it stand out

[vernal aspen]

makes it confused

yeah add bhopping please

[grizzled kayak]

This game is NOT a movement shooterv lol. But it's also not a tactical shooter. The gameplay is essentially (almost exactly) lower ttk BF4. Battlebit is currently an iteration on BF4 and it's mechanics.

It's a team based, arcadey fps with bleeding.

Using video game genre terms to describe games usually ends up in an argument about semantics and classification when trying to fit a game neatly into a box

[wraith timber]

buff velocity but add actual damage falloff fr ong less people malding about air strafing

[grizzled kayak]

At the end of the day, the game needs some movement tweaks to make it feel more like your player isn't just a walking camera. Some inertia, smoothing out of transitions between states (standing prone), and smoothing out vaulting a little more will all help the game feel better without taking away the nice pace and speed i think

Air strafing is, tbh, barely a problem. It could easily be fixed by just not letting people jump around while reviving, healing, etc

[vernal aspen]

bro thats the best time to airstrafe\

[grizzled kayak]

It's also dumb to be able to jump around in a circle while reviving. It isn't hard to do at all lol. Personally I've never had issues shooting someone doing it, but I just think it's silly you can

Now

If we really wanna cook

Let us do air strafing while dragging

[wraith timber]

my will to fucking live when i tap drag somehow and now i cant ads and gun has 8x the recoil

[vernal aspen]

Personally I've never had issues shooting someone doing it, but I just think it's silly you can
thats my point, you can still hit them its just harder

[zinc dove]

still annoying and simply rewards people that jack their dpi instead of playing smart.

[vernal aspen]

air strafing while reviving is smart why do you think people do it

if there was a better strat people would do that

[zinc dove]

lol

like saying "using the vector was smart, why do you think people did it?"

[shadow patio]

The best players have a sensitivity curve on their mice that they're used to, enabling them to aim easily in cqc and at 'long' ranges.

[vernal aspen]

how would you revive people smartly

[vernal aspen]

nah

sorry i thought you meant switcher wdym by sens curve

[zinc dove]

dpi switch essentially to quickly swap dpi for different situations.

[vernal aspen]

oh yeah nobody does that

[zinc dove]

sure bud

[iron axle]

using cover or concealment

[zinc dove]

"nobody"

[shadow patio]

Like y'know, slow mouse movement yields slow, but moderate movement yields fast+faster

[vernal aspen]

the first thing every fps guide tells you to is to turn off mouse sensitivity

*acceleration

[shadow patio]

Me looking at my drawing tablet

[zinc dove]

I'm sorry?

[shadow patio]

Well, shit, you right

[zinc dove]

this man thinks players don't use dpi on their mouse?

[vernal aspen]

*acceleration

cant you read

[shadow patio]

I'm gonna use the excuse that I'm tired. I be remembering it's recommended to turn off and just have a high dpi mouse

[zinc dove]

anyway, the point is, reviving someone sitting in the open while under fire is stupid and should not be rewarded

[shadow patio]

honing fine motor control.
How do I oil my desktop for smoother micro mouse movement

[vernal aspen]

yeah technically the higher dpi the less latency but its like 2 ms at most

[wraith timber]

accel can be good if its not a dogshit implementation but anywayyyyyyyyyyyyy

also the effect of dpi is hella misrepresented regarding latency

now how long till a mod jumps everyone for offtopic

[grizzled kayak]

They don't do that lol

You want higher dpi for more inputs being read per second, not really latency

Higher dpi = less pixel skipping and a smoother feeling mouse

Hot tip if your aim always feels stiff. Jack up your dpi a good bit, but turn down your in game sensitivity

400 dpi will feel way worse than like 1600 dpi with a lower sensitivity ingame

Tldr, keep that in game multiplier low and your dpi high

1200000 dpi feels great (this is an exaggeration), but i keep mine at 1600 (i believe it's that lol) with a lower in game sensitivity so I can control my mouse without dpi swapping

[wraith timber]

[soft pewter]

i play ewith 800

[grizzled kayak]

Try doubling it and reducing your in game sensitivity yo

[soft pewter]

ok

[grizzled kayak]

More DPI funnies

you wanna increase your DPI based on what your mouse's base dpi was

so if 800, you'll wanna do like 400 or 800 I believe? It's wacky af lol. Basically don't put your dpi and 1284

[glacial drift]

BF4 & Squad to be honest, a lot of the mechanics are shared between those two

[grizzled kayak]

idk what mechanics come from squad tbh. I guess you could say the compass and spotting 😂

I guess some of the ammo stuff

[glacial drift]

magazines, the bandage/bleeding, how the vehicle repairs used to work (AKA you couldn't repair to max in the field & had to take it to a repair/rearm station at base (or a FOB in squad) and some other stuff

also how the medic worked concept (AKA 20x bandages with a medkit that can heal self & allies)

[grizzled kayak]

gotcha

[vernal aspen]

lets be real youre not gonna feel the difference

[wraith timber]

Its also a like 2 second change so yk why not

[grizzled kayak]

Actually, it does feel noticiably smoother when you're trying to make smaller movements at higher sensitivities. It only gets more smooth the higher the dpi and the lower your in game sensitivity/closer to 1x multiplier.

[eternal harbor]

Gotta find that balance that lets you find tune it af

Fine tune* fuck off autocorrect

[soft pewter]

my mouse goes to 16000

thing is I don't want my windows sensitivity to be crazy high

and I rather not do a mathematical equation every time I set my sensitivity in game

since every game does sensitivity in a slightly different way

[lavish cape]

new leaning fatigue sucks, just remove leaning completely at this point (don't actually)

[formal reef]

Honestly intertia would make the game be an exact copy of literally every shooter out there,right now its unique with its movement

maybe add a slight push back to strafing around,but besides that it should stay the way it is

[lunar stream]

there's a reason every other shooter does it like that
and yes even a lot of movement shooters

[grizzled kayak]

That's why I roll with about 1600. Fast enough to not notice pixel skipping, but slow enough to control

By inertia i specifically mean don't let people 180 in the air by giving a little inertia to air movement. Not a lot so you can still turn on a dime, but enough so it's not max speed and you'll slow down if your just rotating the mouse in a circle. Give a little bit of timing/skill to it by making people have to turn at a specific rate to keep max speed

[slate mantle]

the movement is unique, but the player should be punished for a sharp 180 degree turn by at least a mild slowdown

this would not make the movement any less unique and simultaenously avoid whatever the fuck I was doing here: #1159035953902534656 message

[crisp blaze]

game is arcadey not hardcore if u want inertia play tarkov

[glacial drift]

Reaper a game does not become hardcore by inertia alone

a arcade can have inerta same as a hardcore could not

[crisp blaze]

it plays a massive impact into it

[uncut moth]

i want my q e spam back

[glacial drift]

depending how it is done

than again that can be said for various things in game design

[zinc dove]

so do guns, but we have them here

[crisp blaze]

Lets state the obvious!

[zinc dove]

nearly every FPS has had inertia bud

like every fps since at least 2000

[crisp blaze]

nearly every fps with it sucks bud!

[zinc dove]

cod, bf, titanfall?

you sure?

halo?

[crisp blaze]

battlefield is dead

[uncut moth]

two games that committed suicide

[glacial drift]

Halo I suppose should be brought up

[crisp blaze]

cod is dead

[uncut moth]

cod dead bf dead

titanfall 3 cope

[glacial drift]

Reaper most game series will die

question is mainly the when

[uncut moth]

but those are series, and bbr is just one game 😭 😂

[zinc dove]

man its almost like other decisions did that

[crisp blaze]

because of people asking for intertia!!!

[dusty stump]

BFV is still doing just fine

[zinc dove]

inertia has existed in fps games for a very long time lol

inertia did not kill them

[crisp blaze]

yes it did

[zinc dove]

sure buddy

[crisp blaze]

cod peaked without intertia buddy

[zinc dove]

EVERY cod ever

has had inertia

since cod 1

[lunar stream]

dude

[zinc dove]

medal of honor, where cod came from, had inertia lol

[dusty stump]

Is reaper just in a mood today?

[zinc dove]

my man just trolling for replies I guess

[glacial drift]

But might as well just say this

[crisp blaze]

what mood?

[zinc dove]

he can't be 18+ yet if he didn't know any of that

[uncut moth]

reaper in ha mood

[dusty stump]

You fuckin tell me

[glacial drift]

Warframe, a HEAVILY movement based game has inertia

[rough finch]

are you okay in head?

[crisp blaze]

Stop hating

[rough finch]

be honest

[crisp blaze]

get real

[uncut moth]

reaper based

[lunar stream]

fucking ultrakill has inertia

[uncut moth]

instant slide direction change?

[crisp blaze]

ULTRAWHO?

[uncut moth]

or...

or....

[zinc dove]

like inertia does not have to be at the level of tarkov, RoN, of fucking B4B

for there to be inertia in the game

[lunar stream]

slide =/= walking man xD

[eternal harbor]

Just make it similar to BF3/4 where it's there but you don't notice it smh

[dusty stump]

Speaking of things other FPS do better than BBR; antimaterial rifles

[lunar stream]

dash =/= walking, we're talking about walking/sprinting, not special movement shooter shit

[rough finch]

[uncut moth]

bbr having antimaterial rifles

will be the dfay

day

day of defeat.

[eternal harbor]

Red orchestra taught me that the ptrs is my favorite anti infantry rifle

[crisp blaze]

content, updates, good balance changes

[rough finch]

no wonder why the loud part of community is ruining the game

u have absolutely no clue about what ur talking about

[lunar stream]

the no lifes?

[dusty stump]

Nah. Imagine no longer having to rely on your own teams very limited supply of armour to be able to deal with camping enemy armour

[frosty shard]

just bring in the bf4 movement techs the casuals will for sure like that and not complain about it

[zinc dove]

I wouldn't mind a .50, would do the same shit other snipers do, but more damage to vehicles lol

[uncut moth]

MILSIMMERS CANT HIT ME WHEN THEY USE LMG AND IM A BLACK SUPPORT SO THEY CALL ME SWEATY. I GET REPORTED AND OKI CALLS FOR MOVEMENT NERF NOW YOU CANNTO PRONE WHILE SPRINTING

[lunar stream]

also where has ethereal been?

[rough finch]

we quit the game

[uncut moth]

dark and darker

[rough finch]

we have better stuff to do

than keeping u all in cage

[uncut moth]

even gromp moved to pabg

[zinc dove]

who the fuck has every said that lol

[uncut moth]

every single person i have killed that complains in chat

[dusty stump]

I believe @uncut moth said that

[eternal harbor]

Thankfully in BF vaulting doesn't get me killed by killing my flow of movement lmao

[uncut moth]

search "sweaty" "adderall" or "tryhard" in this server

[zinc dove]

I mean that's every PvP ever

[uncut moth]

you will get thousands of results

complaining about movement

because everyone here is bad at the game

and bad at moving

there are three keys to press and you win every gunfight and boomers with parkinsons want to rpg and complain

[zinc dove]

more like you just like breaking your model to avoid shots

[lunar stream]

bro the dc is the more skilled part of the community 💀

[indigo ferry]

my highest is 5k... get those numbers up

[uncut moth]

LMAOOOOO

[crisp blaze]

its not!

[uncut moth]

no, dropshot is incredibly easy to shoot

[frosty shard]

yep bbr has fast and slow mechanics that dont really blend well together

[uncut moth]

defintiely not this dc

[zinc dove]

yeah, drop shotting ain't the major problem lol

drop shotting has existed forever

[lunar stream]

what then, reddit?

[uncut moth]

somehow even worse

[zinc dove]

if you can't kill it, you just need to learn

its all the other shit

[uncut moth]

same goes for movement

[zinc dove]

that you can't learn lol

[lunar stream]

you're pretty full of yourself ngl

[uncut moth]

if you cant track a 180 strafe

u should get better at reactive tracking

[crisp blaze]

just learn the movement

[zinc dove]

you can't learn this games movement lol

[eternal harbor]

Yeah that's the one thing I dislike very much about BBR, the movement is inconsistent

[uncut moth]

yes you can

[lunar stream]

ah yes learn random

[uncut moth]

its so easy to do you W key and move mouse

[lunar stream]

[uncut moth]

no learning curve

[crisp blaze]

just run in a circle and u will dodge bullets

[uncut moth]

even phantom forces and arsenal have more advanced movement

[zinc dove]

I can learn random movements that change for every player, every time

[eternal harbor]

Elitists ruin communities tbh

[zinc dove]

sure

[crisp blaze]

Learn to track moving targets!

[rough finch]

wow i finally can agree with blanks

[uncut moth]

reactive tracking skills

[zinc dove]

reactive tracking lol

[lunar stream]

nice goal post moving, problem's shooting the crackheads

[uncut moth]

im only an idiot in ether discord

[zinc dove]

you aim train

[crisp blaze]

Aimlabs is free!

[zinc dove]

fucking lol

[uncut moth]

no

[lunar stream]

not doing the crack

[uncut moth]

havent touched aimlabs in a year

still clap the airstrafers

because i play the game

[fathom bobcat]

[uncut moth]

and improve

[zinc dove]

Reaper, you are either a kid or just fishing for comments, so shut up

[dusty stump]

I'm thinking this thread might need to get shut down for a bit

[lunar stream]

dumbest feedback regarding movement in a while

[river stream]

yeah reaper shut you you stupid bitch

[fathom bobcat]

No this thread is funny I like reading the dumb shit here

[river stream]

💯 🔥

[crisp blaze]

Then suggest a good take!

[uncut moth]

friendly fire is crazy

[zinc dove]

sure, lets learn random movements where we track them, and shoot, they turn and we miss because they turn instantly and change direction mid air at full speed.

[lunar stream]

no 180 spinning in the air?

[uncut moth]

i killed hippothicc while he airstrafed through a door

[zinc dove]

you will either need luck or a full auto to kill them

[uncut moth]

180 spinning 90 mph

im not even that good

[zinc dove]

woo you got lucky\

[uncut moth]

i do it all the time

[zinc dove]

such great learning

[rough finch]

just learn to grip the mouse buddty

[uncut moth]

^

[crisp blaze]

Use tools to improve in game

[zinc dove]

if you could learn it

[rough finch]

kovakks 5 bucks

[crisp blaze]

literally go in shooting range

[slate mantle]

I was pinged

[rough finch]

aimlab free

[zinc dove]

you could do it every time

[rough finch]

shooting range

[uncut moth]

shooting range free

[rough finch]

free

[zinc dove]

and you don't

[uncut moth]

aimlab free

valorant free

apex range free

[dusty stump]

Jesus fucking christ

[uncut moth]

apex range to train tracking

[zinc dove]

ah now your just spamming

fuck off

[crisp blaze]

Go on AIM BEASTS for all I CARE

[uncut moth]

and microsoft word to improve mouse usage

[rough finch]

mfkers still stuck in milsim era dont want to improve after coming back from 9/5

[zinc dove]

right, milsim

[rough finch]

if that really bothers u that u cant track people

[zinc dove]

you have no idea what milsim is lol

[rough finch]

switch to console

simple

cod is waiting for you

with open hands

[uncut moth]

i play one day a week and i can triple 80% of this server's kills on two hours of sleep

[eternal harbor]

Pretty sure this game was meant to be an arcadesim lol

[zinc dove]

oh now its cod

[slate mantle]

I think y’all gamers are getting to heated

[dusty stump]

@tame sedge I think this thread needs some forced "cool off" time. This isn't feedback anymore

[uncut moth]

mix of two modes buddy check FAQ

[crisp blaze]

he isnt available atm

[lunar stream]

damn you guys don't even want a good discussion you're just here to troll, bait and be douchebags
inertia's not gonna turn this game into a milsim buds

[eternal harbor]

You've been somewhat rather arrogant in this thread tbh so no

[zinc dove]

Blank, you are simply an idiot for thinking you can learn random and track instant movements.

Reaper is simply a troll or a child, unknown as to which

[uncut moth]

no, i am a better player for being able to track instant movements

[rough finch]

every single time u have a chance to make feedback ur ruining the game more

get real

[slate mantle]

Right in just gonna go to bed with my chocolate milk

You guys have fun here

[zinc dove]

my man the human cannot react to instant movements

[slate mantle]

Let me know which one dies

[zinc dove]

we predict movements

[dusty stump]

fuck

[crisp blaze]

U mentioned problems i gave solutions cope buddy

[rapid pewter]

just wait for them to stop spinning

[zinc dove]

if you think you can "react" to instant movements, you got lucky

[uncut moth]

IT TAKES TIME FOR THEM TO RECENTER AND PULL GUN OUT

YOU HAVE TIME TO SHOOT THEM ALL THE WHILE

[frosty shard]

less likely to hit him if ur trying to predict, either just dont shoot and wait or just shoot straight and watch him go into the bullets, not that hard

[uncut moth]

i dont' want to say skill issue but airstrafe is simply not that op

[tame sedge]

Please keep it on topic, and civil, we want serious feedback.

[lunar stream]

no need for caps
and you're just capping btw

[tame sedge]

I would much rather study for exam than mute people here. Please be civil.

[zinc dove]

oh right, totally how you do it, then you die to his low ttk gun at point blank becuase he has highaim speed and control

[crisp blaze]

bro acts like he gonna pass get real

[zinc dove]

or he just hipfires you and you die

[uncut moth]

so.. the other player is better at aiming than you

you can kill him with ak15

[zinc dove]

my man

[uncut moth]

m249 even

hold lmb down

[zinc dove]

lol

[lunar stream]

m249

[slate mantle]

Well that ones just uncalled for, seriously

[zinc dove]

if they are stupid, or predictable? sure

that ain't the problem here

[uncut moth]

cmon if i can drop shot and airstrafe with exo support and get kills

maybe the other guys are just bad

[zinc dove]

if your answer is "you just need to wait" or "just shoot them"

you are part of the problem

[lunar stream]

with exo 💀
maximum 🧢

[uncut moth]

go and try it yourself if you don't believe me

[frosty shard]

surely you would be able to hit him before he has the time to stop and recenter his crosshair on your body?

[uncut moth]

i said this already.

[rapid pewter]

I think movement should be made more fluid. Sprinting-> vault speed 100->27 so annoying XD

Other than these situations the movement is fine

[zinc dove]

you don't need to stop

[crisp blaze]

@zinc dove whats the gridshot pb buddy

[zinc dove]

you also dont need to recenter if you are ADS

[frosty shard]

he cant shoot at you while he isnt facing you?

if he is spinning he cant shoot you?

[slate mantle]

This thread bro, thank fuck I roleplay as a femboy in every Match, I seem to still have fun unlike you guys

[uncut moth]

you cannot ADS while you are strafing

[zinc dove]

you can?

[uncut moth]

no you can't

[zinc dove]

you very much can lol

[uncut moth]

you can ads out of sprint. not in it

[zinc dove]

you can't ads while sprinting

[uncut moth]

but you still need to recenter

[lunar stream]

you're just capping buddy
inertia won't kill this game it'll make it more tactical and more appealing to... casuals
the kinda guys this game needs ffs

[zinc dove]

but strafing even in midair? you can

[lunar stream]

just snap, centering really ain't to difficult

[frosty shard]

so you should be able to do it also?

[uncut moth]

adds time to exiting airstrafe, gives opponent time to kill you

[zinc dove]

Man blank doesn't even seem to know the game lol. he also thinks bringing you gun up is slow

[uncut moth]

you're correct, i don't and i just bought the game yesterday

i'm not even top 1 page on lb

[lunar stream]

why yes i do 180s because i can
doesn't mean it's good for the game tho?

[zinc dove]

you have made so many assumptions and are simply wrong about most of them.

[crisp blaze]

likewise

[zinc dove]

number one reason new players have left the game?

shitty movement

[crisp blaze]

poor servers

no content

[zinc dove]

sweaty movement

[uncut moth]

wait until bro learns of no content and no servers

[rough finch]

u really want the game to drop to 500 players

dont ya

[uncut moth]

movement is the least significant problem

[lunar stream]

not really man, just a little competence and there you go

[zinc dove]

that's number 6-7 actually

[uncut moth]

there are already hardcore servers with no airstrafe

so idk why people complain about it

[zinc dove]

almost like airstrafe not the main problem

but you keep talking like it is

[crisp blaze]

all these problems are solved on community servers u just dont see them because no one wants to play them

[uncut moth]

weren't people JUST complaining about it

[zinc dove]

smoke and mirrors man

[lunar stream]

nope
all died because people couldn't handle tactics 💀

[rapid pewter]

Movement in this game is great imo. Every player is able to perform any type of movement without any intricate tech. Only factor would be running speed based on the gun you are running

[zinc dove]

its A problem

[uncut moth]

0/254 for a reason

[zinc dove]

not the main problem

[uncut moth]

no tactics. one squad gromps the lobby, lobby dies, gromp prestige reset scheduled 2024

[lunar stream]

"ew low skill floor "

[crisp blaze]

the main problem is lack of content and balancing capabilities

[uncut moth]

eula silent changes

[eternal harbor]

Unfortunately the latter ties in with movement.

[zinc dove]

reaper, you can go home now.

[lunar stream]

what are you on, i need that shit
the "milsim" server just died after 2 weeks like tf

[crisp blaze]

keep it civil buddy

[rough finch]

police officer you should cuff him up

[uncut moth]

can't believe people will complain abotu lack of tactics and not see the gromp "tactic" that killed servers in two rounds

[rapid pewter]

"buddy" 💀 . Battledad will not be happy with that

[zinc dove]

Balancing for weapons are fine, not the greatest out there but fine. but with the movement as crude as it is, some weapons are simply better because of the movement rather than anything else

[frosty shard]

tactics got too advanced and got told to stop by oki 🙏

[wraith timber]

Aint no way yall managed to drag lesjuh here

[uncut moth]

lesjuh joined in

[lunar stream]

that ain't a tactic for gameplay

[rough finch]

sup sworcy

wagwan bbg

[uncut moth]

it IS a tactic though 😂 guarantee a win because other team never knew how to do it

8 people changing the course of a 254 player server is not a movement issue, it is a tactic issue

[wraith timber]

Balancing when they re add the fucking pre nerf ak74 (it got nerfed for a reason)

[uncut moth]

every match where that happened the game ended in a win

[zinc dove]

oh woo, xp world record

[uncut moth]

because of moving around playing objective

[quasi jolt]

I am reading

[slate mantle]

Can’t we just share a glass of choccy milk and circlejerk about our K/Ds instead

[dusty stump]

The thread is evaporating!

[slate mantle]

My comment got to stay yippee

[dusty stump]

You've jinxed it now. Just watch

[quasi jolt]

👀

[dusty stump]

Muahahah

[slate mantle]

Very clearly, as seen by the metric fuckton of messages in here alone (though granted by the same participants each time) movement is far too large of a contested topic to be resolved in a mere feedback thread

And should maybe be tackled at large in a different way

Cuz right now people are just shitting on eachother citing skill issue has their Harvard Qualified Source

[dusty stump]

Probably. But IMO it's pretty telling that BBR stands almost entirely alone with its lack of inertia. Its also one of very few games to combine extremely fast movement speed with non-hitscan projectiles

[slate mantle]

Now if you’ll excuse me I have a wife to bully

[dusty stump]

What if I don't excuse you

[slate mantle]

Then I’ll just fucking leave anyway you’re not my dad

[dusty stump]

Au contraire

[wraith timber]

Inb4 it gets handled like velocity and range

[dusty stump]

Please explain for my peanut brain

[wraith timber]

#devs-asking

[fathom bobcat]

Just get better tracking

[wraith timber]

You just don't track

Also good job y'all managed to get a slowmode here

[glacial drift]

ten seconds of slow mode

[zinc dove]

I can guarantee everyone saying that they "track" is using a full auto weapon and just throw bullets at the problem and get lucky that their bullets were not dodged.

[iron axle]

Daily reminder that air-strafing is default Unity code and is an accidental mechanic

[sly rain]

Yeah, the only intentional movement thing in battlebit I can think of is the grappling hook, and that's not exactly fast.

[cedar flicker]

friendly reminder that i don't care, it's fun

plenty of "accidental mechanics" end up becoming features

air strafing could be nerfed a little bit so you can't do 720 degree spins in midair but removing it completely would be dumb as fuck

[vernal aspen]

its not accidental when its in the game for 7 years

[grizzled kayak]

Yo so many deleted messages

Classic 👍

[glacial drift]

??

[zinc dove]

nothings gone?

[dusty stump]

nah a bunch of shit is gone

i saw the messages melt away one after the other, firsthand

[quasi jolt]

Some messages posted here were not related to the topic at all so they were removed because of that, now it's time to move on

[iron axle]

"it's time to move on" ain't that what mods always say when they want us to stop talking about a subject. So patronizing, like talking to a child. "come on dear, it's time to go"

[slate mantle]

Hehe get it? “MOVE on”? Hehe okay.

[lunar stream]

[indigo ferry]

It's also togglable by server owners

[grizzled kayak]

Tbh, not sure what this means. When i was experimenting making unity stuff i don't remember the engine giving me code lol

[vernal aspen]

he meant that by default unity doesn’t implement inertia for you

[grizzled kayak]

That's kind of my point, by default most engines don't provide code for you lol

How movement feels, etc

[vernal aspen]

💀 dude that’s his point, without implementing inertia the default is air strafing

[grizzled kayak]

https://tenor.com/view/let-me-put-it-in-a-language-u-can-understand-killer-bean-police-fbi-gif-17546377

The way he phrased it made it sound like he's saying that air-strafing is a default unity code - as in it's essentially how coding any game comes by default, which just isn't true. When you code movement in your game you can put in air strafing from the get go, include inertia, etc. It's not because of "default unity code" that the game has air strafing, it's a purposful design descision at this point. It's not accidental

So essentially, I'm saying it's not "default unity" that's at fault here, it's Oki lmao

The default is not air strafing because player movement is coded by a person manually. I suppose you could just pull a script from somewhere, copy code, etc, but the game's movement is pretty well defined. Vaulting, crouching, prone-ing all have been implemented pretty on purpose, so I doubt someone who would put in those basic mechanics, cutomize how you move in them, add rag doll dragging, all that shit, would "I forgor" when including intertia.

TLDR: I don't like his phrasing lmao

[iron axle]

I might be misremembering this, but I think that, years ago, when you started a new project, you had the option to install a "getting started" pack, which contained a few textures and pre-made scripts to help you out. One of those was "fps player" object, which you could drag-n-drop and it would give you a movable first person view with jumping and mouse-looking (and air-strafing)

[grizzled kayak]

Possibly yes - no idea. But my primary point was that movement has been adjusted so much that it's irrelevant at this point.

[iron axle]

But adding the ability in custom servers to toggle air inerta off proves your point and disproves mine, I will stop spreading this misinformation

[iron axle]

It is still true, however, that air-strafing is an easy thing to accidentally implement if your code is just "propel character forward while W is pressed".

I wonder if ground vehicles can air-strafe too.

[grizzled kayak]

Well the code can be entirely not physics based. Idk if it's like that in battlebit, but probs is

By that i mean it's probably just simple "hold w speed go up, let go speed go down"

They're probably not able to, but maybe

[zinc dove]

its not airstrafing itself that's a problem, its the ability to majorly change direction while airstrafing and lose no speed in the process.

[thick fulcrum]

It's one of those things that inertia easily fixes, even amounts of it that people don't even feel when playing help minimize unfun sweat gamer behavior, which is why you see it from halo to counter strike to battlefield to most cod games

[wraith timber]

Inertia is one of the features of all time

[zinc dove]

yeah, every major fps has had some form of inertia in it since DOOM.

[vernal aspen]

i'm agreeing with you 💀

[vernal aspen]

nah im cool with that

if it were as big a problem as you say it is you wouldnt see scores with 200+ kills and 30-70 deaths you would see 10

the way you make it out is that its some unkillable movement technique that needs to be toned down when in reality its not at all a problem and makes the game much more fun, not even for combat but for maneuvering around the game

[zinc dove]

that's a squad spawn issue, maknig death a quick re-up instead of a problem. you are also assuming its constantly a 1v1 if you talk about total like that.

[vernal aspen]

nope, i get skill issued by someone else very rarely

just yesterday someone dodged my shots with movement and instead of saying “damn airstrafing” i said “gg man” and went and killed someone else

[zinc dove]

it's funny how you think that means there isn't a problem

[fathom bobcat]

The only problem is skill issue

[fathom bobcat]

Air strafing can be easily solved with c4 or rpg

[vernal aspen]

it’s proof air strafing isn’t an issue

[zinc dove]

sure man

[vernal aspen]

bullet dodging happens very rarely

[zinc dove]

again like saying the various other problems are not problems

[vernal aspen]

for the most part you can aim in their general direction and hit them or just like track them

same for lean spamming, all you had to do was go for chest

but too many people whined about it and they changed it

[zinc dove]

man you really do have the shittiest takes lol

should have just left everything the way it was, Vector, SMGs, leanspamming and everything else

why not right? you can just say "GG" and its all right

[vernal aspen]

vector was op and needed a nerf but it got dumpstered

smg ranges were fine

[vernal aspen]

yeah when i get skill issued yeah it’s gg move on

[zinc dove]

sure man

[vernal aspen]

don’t know why you have a problem with that

[zinc dove]

not much of a skill issue if the choice is "shoot and pray"

[vernal aspen]

or just hit them

[zinc dove]

just depends on luck and weapon

[vernal aspen]

like put your crosshair on them and fire

[zinc dove]

sure man, totally where the problem lies

[vernal aspen]

do you know what it’s called when luck happens more often

||skill||

[zinc dove]

you are using the low end of the problem as "proof" of your claim ,when that isn't the problematic part.

[zinc dove]

shoot in general direction and hope is not skill at all lol

[vernal aspen]

then why does it seem that i never encounter this problem if it was luck based i’d be complaining as much as you

[zinc dove]

sure bud

just because you do not see a problem with something does not mean there is not one.

pretty sure you said that to me at one point

eh may have been someone else

also doesn't help that your only response is "skill issue" just reworded.

[vernal aspen]

i mean there is no other response, if someone says p90 was ever broken my response is “skill issue” because it’s so clearly obviously not an issue

[zinc dove]

or you know, lower the ceiling of "I can neo around bullets in the open field while reviving someone"

you do realise there is a big gap from "I can move quickly around the map" and "I can dodge bullets and revive someone in the open while under fire"

[vernal aspen]

have you tried that? if people are focusing on you you will die

[zinc dove]

ah yes the " if more people shoot them, they will die"

[vernal aspen]

if it’s one guy 120m away with a sniper or a dmr or even an ar it’s a good counter against them

but if you try to revive in an open field across the frontline you’ll get fried

[zinc dove]

man that is such a specific setup to kill them lol

and even then, the people who do it will not easily get hit, and even if they do its not like it'll be a kill shot 9 times out of 10. they'll just run and heal

but anyway thats a medic thing

[vernal aspen]

but if it’s one casual yeah they probably can’t kill you cuz they can’t hit their shots

self heal my beloved

[zinc dove]

there's a massive gap from keeping "quick and precise movement", and "I can pull off stupid shit in the middle of a open field"

literally just change things on the higher end of movement speed and most will not feel the difference

[vernal aspen]

so what’s your solution

[zinc dove]

literally just inertia at higher speeds, maybe making quick turns lowering speed by up to 50%(maybe more, maybe less, don't quote me on the number) based on how far (and/or how quick) you turn would fix that, but also mean the speed remains untouched. This also means that using the airstrafe to parkour around the map is largely unaffected because you are either jumping around a corner or have a straight shot.

[onyx wedge]

Weapon switch needs to be faster. I have no time to bandage myself and ended up die bleeded out most of the time

[hard solar]

Ok I played a US community server, everyone runs SMG medic and it was the most miserable game I've ever had. Nerf movement

[sly rain]

See?

[soft pewter]

I can't tell if that was sarcasm or not

[lunar stream]

you think us community servers are bad?
play on normal eu servers

[hard solar]

I do, all the time

US are a lot more tryhard

[lunar stream]

oh ok

[hard solar]

EU gopcats just like to be sniper

[lunar stream]

that has not been what i've experienced

[hard solar]

Also mp7 is still broken

Oki fix when

[lunar stream]

eu: no one comunicates due to language barriers => everyone is selfish aka medic
na: cool shit talking, communication and less crackdics

[lunar stream]

what's wrong about that gun?

[hard solar]

The sheer amount of medics EU Vs US is crazy

It's op a f

[lunar stream]

why?
sucks so hard against armor and the recoil's bouncy

[zinc dove]

it kills him alot thats why

[lunar stream]

that's such a bad response to "mp7 op" :/
just ask why not go "uh skill diff"

[hard solar]

SMG range nerf is still somewhat trash

The damage falloff is somewhat better but the accuracy is still far, far too high

[wraith timber]

😭

[lunar stream]

people wanting to make the vector shit even in kissing distance 💀

[hard solar]

I would much prefer keeping the damage falloff the same and nerfing the accuracy

Still amazing up close, or out to 20-30m, becomes a pray any further

[lunar stream]

accuracy if it did shit

[lunar stream]

it already is like that for the mp7, PP and vector
literally spray and hope there isn't any armor in your way

[hard solar]

It's not lol

[lunar stream]

it is

not like i have used all those weapons or smth

and been on the receiving end

[slate mantle]

The thing with high mobility is you don’t sacrifice a lot for it

[hard solar]

You don't really sacrifice anything

[slate mantle]

Your defensive abilities are just about the same if not BETTER because of your ability to dodge, so that’s not a trade off

You don’t lose on offensive power, with some of the best TTK weapons having good or at least above average mobility

You don’t lose out on general fighting capability due to never living long enough for you to run out of mags on most guns (and if you do, ask your local support player)

[hard solar]

Since armor is trash

[slate mantle]

It’s the inverse for support, you trade in a lot for not a lot of gain

It’s a scary trade not in your favour, however high mobility is so fucking free you’d be dumb not to take it

[hard solar]

With how the servers handle network stuff, the faster moving player is predominantly at an advantage

Oki's changes to packet prioritization improved it, but its still there and only gets larger with higher pings

[lunar stream]

time for full body exo armor that doesn't break and uses a percentage dmg reduction 💯

[wraith timber]

time to remove armor

[hard solar]

Exo armor that laughs at pistol calibers plz

The SMG user should fear the support

[lunar stream]

then imma shred your knee caps

[sly rain]

And thats why exo should be full body

[lunar stream]

k but 1200rpm with 26dmg will still fuck you up

(i am also waiting for bipod and armor fixes)

[wraith timber]

remove armor

[lunar stream]

chad through armor monchers/leg liquidizers vs cringe remove armor nerds 2023 colorized

[wraith timber]

[vernal aspen]

getting skill issued much?

[vernal aspen]

💀 you better be joking

you get 162 extra HP

youve got a huge advantage in 1 on ones dont act like you dont get a benefit

[hard solar]

Lol, lmao

[vernal aspen]

u denying it?

[zinc dove]

its an advantage

but with how slow you move its not as big as you think

[hard solar]

"get on my level" means "play as an smg medic shitter"

I don't wanna play that

[zinc dove]

playing both exo and no armor, the exo helmet is the only thing that truly makes a difference I feel like

[hard solar]

Yea, even then it doesn't last that long

Honestly, feels like Supports only take maybe 1-2 rifle or 3-4 SMG shots to kill, like others said buzzing around at warp speed is more effective armor.

[zinc dove]

its got 67 health(right?) for the chest, for even the lowest damage weapons thats 3-4 shots to break, but those low damage weapons fire very fast. even if you kill that first guy, now you are slow with no way to get that HP back.

[hard solar]

assuming you get hit in the chest. this game is pretty headshot-centric

[uncut moth]

support leg meta

the armor of contempt for conquest players is not a 40k ripoff, it is a real thing

and maybe armor should be fixed and supports allowed to move faster

then, exo mains that have 6 hrs and 0 idea how to remove exo armor will stop complaining about speed and armor and dying instantly to smgs when they supposedly are invincible

and maybe the game will Actually become headshot-centric

[glacial drift]

100 HP, with 62 that can be walked around

to explain the 62 health on chest is ONLY on the chest,not arms (Which can cover the upper chest) and the legs which both do 1x damage (So equal of chest shots and bypasses your armor)

mixed with speed decreases (ADS & walk)

[vernal aspen]

im aware how it works dawg

[zinc dove]

you said "162 extra HP"

[zinc dove]

whats funny is that its just russian armor with the added nexk protection

[vernal aspen]

sorry my bad but you got the message

[slate mantle]

the gain is miniscule

[lunar stream]

literally solved by aim most of the time, or just dps 💀

[dusty stump]

unhelpful and literally against the rules for these feedback threads lol

[sly rain]

He did that earlier in this same thread too

[warm nova]

Add inertia because it will allow movement to be hard but even more rewarding when mastered

[zinc dove]

it don't need that much, the game doesn't need a full inertia system

[bold badger]

dont change movement its good as it is 👍

[lyric gorge]

Not sure why you can turn around and not lose any momentum mid air. You really just reorient the speed 100%

[indigo ferry]

because this isnt real life and its good movement.

[zinc dove]

its not

[indigo ferry]

just aim better

[zinc dove]

literally the most unhelpful statement, also no allowed in the threads

there is a reason every fps has had inertia in some form

[lyric gorge]

It seems fine when you're just doing small turns, like turning a bit to the left and right
but a full 180 bounce back is pretty off

it looks funny tho

[zinc dove]

that's all this game needs, if you turn quickly it slows you down, the further you turn the more you slow, up to the slowest at 180+ degrees

[fathom bobcat]

All you do is complain about this game

Do you even like anything in it

Why even play it at this point

[wraith timber]

And every fps game isn't good

[fathom bobcat]

I like the no inertia movement, it gets boring when it’s in every game you play

[bold badger]

yes it makes it unique and moving fast is fun as fuck

make it slower and i dont see myself playing game anymore

[wraith timber]

Just buff gun velocity or something so people can't literally out run bullets in cqc and we good

[fathom bobcat]

Nah outrunning them is the only thing that makes cqc fun

[wraith timber]

Its goofy when you gotta full on lead in cqc tho

[bold badger]

its only bad if you are on like 100+ ping

[zinc dove]

its in literally ALL the games. so what's your point?

[wraith timber]

What's your point

[zinc dove]

oh well, stop being a shitter using a crutch maybe?

you don't have one.

There's a reason inertia is in all fps games

no clue what your saying that "oh some are bad" is supposed to argue.

[fathom bobcat]

When did I say that

If inertia is in every game it gets boring

[zinc dove]

I was talking to sworce

[fathom bobcat]

Sure it’s a good thing, but being it every game makes it boring

[zinc dove]

buddy there is a massive fucking range of inertia

[fathom bobcat]

So go play a game with inertia then?

[zinc dove]

this game simply needs it

[fathom bobcat]

Doesnt*

Game would die with inertia

[zinc dove]

sure it would

not like the lack of it killed off most of the new players

[glacial drift]

I doubt the game would die with Inertia

[young lichen]

Yeah speed isn't an issue IMO - It helps prevent easy sniping and the like. But people who zip around like a swarm of gnats while rezzing and get away with me make me angry fr

[uncut moth]

rpg

[wraith timber]

Something something the effort put into it instead of something else might

[sly rain]

Inertia wouldn't kill the game. It'd make the tryhards a little mad, but who cares?

[fathom bobcat]

The tryhards

[uncut moth]

5000 kills leaderboard players would be a bit mad

[fathom bobcat]

I’d be mad and I don’t even get that many kills

[zinc dove]

you would very much be the minority there

inertia implemented on turns would hardly be felt unless you were abusing it in the first place.

[fathom bobcat]

It’s not abuse💀

[zinc dove]

yeah it is lol

[fathom bobcat]

How

[zinc dove]

this has been explained many times buddy

and your only argument so far has been "skill issue"

[fathom bobcat]

I’ve said skill issue once wdym

[zinc dove]

just because you reword it does not mean that the meaning changes

[lunar stream]

people arguing removing air spinning would kill the game lol

[wraith timber]

Me when

[vernal aspen]

[lunar stream]

most constructive bbr player

[hard solar]

Make any action cancel sprinting and prevent jumping: Healing, reviving, bandaging, stacking mags, shooting, supplying etc

Zipping around in melee range is bad and annoying, but watching someone zip around in melee range, zip around bandaging or healing, then zip back is way, way worse

[soft pewter]

Making bandaging slow you down would make it feel even worse for non medic players

also you already can't sprint while doing most of these actions?

[hard solar]

Yea you can, you can sprint and heal, sprint and bandage, sprint and resupply, sprint and revive

In fact, the only thing on that list you can't do is sprint and shoot

[soft pewter]

I would be fine with all of this if action queing was added first

[hard solar]

Do you mean like sprinting as soon as you stop healing?

[soft pewter]

Yeah

[hard solar]

Sounds abusable

[soft pewter]

Instead of having to re pres the button

[soft pewter]

Ok but right now even reloading you have to hit r at least twice cause no input queing

[hard solar]

I've never experienced that, I hit r once and reload, or twice and fast reload

Whatever the latest input is overwrites all other actions, I think it feels nice

[hybrid grove]

we need inertia and smgs damage needs to be modified such that they don't do any damage beyond a range. Also, it makes absolutely zero sense that exo armor can be broken using smg.

[lunar stream]

smgs already do practically no damage past a certain range, imo they're balanced
exo armor just sucks rn so we'll have to cope with that :/
inertia would make the game more tactical and help casuals to not get absolutely stomped at every corner

[bold badger]

They would get stomped anyway because they can't aim

Inertia won't help with that

Also majority of casuals play conquest anyway, while most of "sweats" are on frontline or domination

[lunar stream]

while yes
it is also dumb to just zip through the air and change direction multiple times while losing no speed
there are so many other things that are an expression of skill in this game, making it more tactical by taking away stupid movement "mechanics" really won't kill it
it would serve to alter the flow slightly and for much better
tryhards can cry, but it will be more enjoyable for the casuals

[bold badger]

It would not kill the game sure, but it would not bring in more players either

You would just lose a bit more players

And for what

I would say that more casuals left because of getting obliterated by vehicles in conquest rather than facing that one sweat in lobby few times in whole match

And let's not kid ourselves, majority left because of lack of updates

[uncut moth]

yes because the casuals dont know infantry only servers exist, they only play official conq

[bold badger]

Nerfing everything is not the way

Majority were crying about smgs, all got nerfed and it's still not enough for people

[uncut moth]

some people still cry about the wrong guns being “op” like the f2k

[bold badger]

At the end of the day, good player will shit on you with no matter what, especially in this game with no sbmm or mm or anything

[lunar stream]

as if vehicles even did anything in conquest

[elder hare]

Vehicles bad

[soft pewter]

dude smgs already lose damage at 20m wtf are you smoking

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/scott-scott-the-woz-scott-the-woz-eating-cereal-eating-cereal-gif-26057324

[lunar stream]

popcorn with milk?

[elder hare]

Maybe

[vernal aspen]

i agree. i’m sick of getting domed at 15 meters with a vector. limit the ranges to 15m and make exo immune. also give me more nades

[soft pewter]

making a armour immune to an entire class of weapons is crazy

[hard solar]

main issue I have with smg's is full auto accuracy >20m, armor means dink if you have a zero recoil headshot hose

[blazing hemlock]

while you're at it, snipers should do no damage under 15000 meters aswell smh

[hard solar]

But this is the movement chat

[soft pewter]

smgs are fine if anything they are weak

[hard solar]

haha ok Mango

[vernal aspen]

im sorry yes but movement needs to be nerfed, i get domed by the gromp cheaters lean spamming and drop shotting me i can’t

[elder hare]

We should be able to sprint at 500 miles an hour and slide forever

[hard solar]

Go play tribes

[soft pewter]

"smgs are op" mfs when their FAL and hk419 out TTK most smgs without a shit damage curve

[bold badger]

Do you not remember pre nerf little bird, only way to survive was if you used movement and we know most players didnt

[hard solar]

TTK is a dumb stat

don't quote it

[elder hare]

I will die in the hill by saying the little bird was hardly overpowered pre nerf

[lunar stream]

i got such bad ptsd i forgor (that was the one vehicle not completely shit in the game lol)

[elder hare]

If people would have shot at the fly ace players and at their little birds it would be fine

[soft pewter]

The whole point of SMGs is to shred people fast up close but many ARs do the same or better but they can do it at range and not just up close

[vernal aspen]

nah uh mp7 0.1ms p90 0.095 ms ttk broken

[lunar stream]

you guys are just trolling now 💀

[vernal aspen]

nope they way outrange remember exo helmet should make it immune

50m cutoff then no range

[hard solar]

People who say this have only ever used SMGs

[soft pewter]

Smgs are my least played category besides snipers (and carbines and PDWs but they are irrelevant)

[hard solar]

haha

[vernal aspen]

35m range cutoff

n then no damage

[soft pewter]

literally though how can you say that smgs are op when the FAL out TTKs every SMG but has the range of ARs

[hard solar]

then why arent medics running around with fals?

[soft pewter]

they do

atleast the smart ones who read balance patches

also we should move channels this is player movement lmao

[hard solar]

When did you see a medic zip round a corner and moe down 3 people with a FAL? You didnt, because the gun handling characteristics are far worse, as well as move speed penalty (<------ this is the big important one)

[soft pewter]

short mag

[tidal light]

I think we should add exo armor and helmets to all classes including sniper and medic… personally I think that it would be fun to plink .338 lapua rounds from across the map at other snipers and have it slide off their exo helmet like a bead of sweat. Also I think that exo armor would benefit medic as it would allow them to take more damage while reviving teammates

[elder hare]

🎣

[hard solar]

I'd love to see it

[elder hare]

🎣

[tidal light]

🎣 and now we wait

[hard solar]

You don't want to see medics with more armor? I thought everything was perfectly balanced and not a problem? It can't be that you want medics to stay incredibly fast right? It's not OP (obviously) so it shouldn't be a problem if medics are slowed down by exo armor

[soft pewter]

exo armour is supports while thing tho it should be kept for just them

[hard solar]

But if everyone had it wouldnt that make it better?

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/hurt-locker-bomb-stress-armor-gif-18154391

Watch out it’s our MEDIC

Wearing the heavy SUPPORT armor

[hard solar]

perfect right? now you don't have to fear being killed while healing or reviving someone

it's the perfect solution

[elder hare]

🎣

[hard solar]

tolling over, nerf spastic movement by adding mild intertia and making actions cancel sprinting.

If smg medic shitters complain, good.

They also complained about lean spamming and the games infinitely better without it.

[bold badger]

Do you just enjoy moving slow or? I can't understand

[glacial drift]

bit surprised to hear that in honesty, vehicles feel pretty weak

[bold badger]

That's funny because when I started playing, all of my friends were complaining how annoying vehicles are

As of now I don't know how it is, I'm not playing conquest

And friends that I started playing with, quit the game

But obviously for other reasons

[lyric gorge]

Thankfully Infantry conquest and domination are there

[bold badger]

Personally frontline is the only mode that I enjoy

[lyric gorge]

Think it's a good game mode too

[elder hare]

2 people play infantry conquest

[glacial drift]

most people have C4 and/or RPG heat/tandem so vehicles like tanks tend to stick in spawn a lot

blackhawks are the same ole same ole , LB got nerfed

[lyric gorge]

What?! I see a ton of infantry conquest servers everyday...

[elder hare]

I haven’t played in months

I’m going off what it was months ago

[glacial drift]

Ah

that explains a good bit

[lyric gorge]

There's many infantry conquest now

Epic trol....

[tidal light]

Go play squad this is legit a Roblox battle game

“Inertia”

[glacial drift]

So I can't tell if that is a troll or not

[thick fulcrum]

Bait used to be more believable tbh, lots of people doing their best to derail the convo lately

(I say that as the idiot that falls into half the bait he sees)

[hard solar]

go play CoD

[thick fulcrum]

Literally this game with cs inertia would at the same time barely noticeable by 80% of the playerbase, and make the game sooo much more balanced overall

I don't get why people bring up squad so much, as If there isn't more distance between this game's wackyass movement and most fps games than between those and squad's

It's like telling people not to turn the ac on in the middle of summer because they're afraid of freezing to death

[glacial drift]

some people are just deathly afraid of some things & I guess squad has become a bit of a Boogey man for the community of BBR

[hard solar]

It's being used as some kind of weird shield against positive change in a kind of goofy strawman argument.

[thick fulcrum]

It really feels like the motivation behind it is "no, I like abusing this even if it frustrates other people and lessens the experience for a huge chunk of the playerbase"

[hard solar]

Because people are drawing incorrect conclusions that going fast and spinning your mouse = skill

[bold badger]

How do you see slowing down movement as a positive?

[hard solar]

Anyone mention speed here?

[glacial drift]

Nope

[lunar stream]

i find it funny how bbr gets compared to squad (they both got big lobbies and maps)

[glacial drift]

Only speed decrease I saw was when taking rapid & HARD turns to be honest

[bold badger]

It's not about that even it's just more fun

[lunar stream]

no fucking one ever mentioned speed toma, that's such a bad strawman

[glacial drift]

it makes some sense, game used to have more mechanics similar to squad like the repair system

But it takes elements of Battlefield & squad along with some new stuff mixed in too

[thick fulcrum]

It really isn't, I hear people complain about it ingame, posts on the reddit about it get massive traction, most people just get frustrated by the few people that abuse the movement

[lunar stream]

*for myself
not for all the casuals that left after getting pub stomped overand over again

[bold badger]

Earlier they were talking about how we shouldn't be able to sprint while bandaging and other stuff

[hard solar]

Yea

[glacial drift]

yea?

[thick fulcrum]

Uh huh

[glacial drift]

how does that decrease your max speed Toma?

[bold badger]

It slows down gameplay

[hard solar]

That's good, it's good to have moments of weakness or vulnerability in a game. The skill comes from managing these.

[lunar stream]

would make sense
although i think that should be kept for milsim mode not casual

[glacial drift]

Not exactly

it gives as yeti said, a moment of greater vulnerability when healing

and slowing gameplay down as a basic statement is not always a bad thing

[lunar stream]

that would encourage tactics and teamplay more (terrifyingly absent rn)

[hard solar]

Going back to Colo's point, you're looking at like the top 5% of "movement" being taken away as it's crazy op, I think any change from that will have far more positive effects than negative.

[thick fulcrum]

It:

• gives some importance to positioning
• makes interacting with your team and keeping near to friends more convenient and important
• reduces the focus of the game on the one medic playstyle that's been driving half the playerbase away

[glacial drift]

gameplay speed is not purely fast = better, slow = worse

as all things are pretty much,everything exists on a scale, go too far one way & you enter a extreme where things start to get worse @bold badger

[lunar stream]

half? 9/10 sadly

[glacial drift]

AKA too much water & we drown, too little we dehydrate type idea

[thick fulcrum]

• Literally all the best halo games
• The most acclaimed cod games
• the better half of the battlefield franchise
• fucking counter strike

None of these games are fast, none of these games are milsims, fast doesn't need to equal good, take inertia away from cs for a day and watch how horrible it turns out

[glacial drift]

hey I understand Colossus

[thick fulcrum]

Oh, I was more just jumping off your point than trying to address it, lol

[glacial drift]

I am a variety gamer at heart

[hard solar]

With how movement is at the moment, anyone not playing medic with an SMG is instantly at a stiff disadvantage on most maps, especially smaller ones. Making changes that affect only the very top goofy movement mechanics allows all classes to reach a better state of balance, which is just overall far more fun to play.

[glacial drift]

and my bad colossus

[hard solar]

the good answer is "make balanced adjustments to bring everything more inline", the bad answer is "lol play smg medic"

[bold badger]

I pray to fucking god that if they make inertia a thing they do it on specific servers, and make people choose where they wanna play

[thick fulcrum]

Playing with a Fal, no armor, and just rushing the enemy team until I literally run out of ammo is fun for me but God do I wish it wasn't as easy as it is because it sucks for everyone involved

[hard solar]

Yea, it feels cheap

[lunar stream]

yeah disable it on pub stomp and comp servers

[hard solar]

I've done it before, I was no armor medic groza on CTF sandy sunset because I really wanted a CTF win. I got 114 kills and it was the most unsatisfying win I've had.

If I didn't want to get killed in a firefight I could just pull out my medic bag and leave lol

[lunar stream]

one day i'll get over 50 kills with a bipodded ultimax

[thick fulcrum]

Allies? Teamplay? Any sort of match coherence or God forbid, consequences to my thoughtless and careless pushing? Not here there isnt

[lunar stream]

root of all pain for supports?

[glacial drift]

(be me, take more joy from getting kills with duel bet in CS than using a AK,Desert eagle, awp or so on)

[hard solar]

Nope, I could run into a building with 4 surprise enemies inside, then just run back out again

[lunar stream]

as val and scoop don't allow for such bs

[crisp blaze]

114 on ctf is a challenge

[glacial drift]

But anyhow, back on topic I suppose

[bold badger]

Yeah my highest was like 72 with SMG medic and abusing movement

[hard solar]

Nah, no, people said the same thing about lean spam, its just better to have a better unified experience.

I'm sure you'll get good with other weapons

[glacial drift]

things discussed in last bit
Inertia on hard turns

no sprinting on various actions (medkit heal,bandaging, reviving, I assume ammo resupplying, & some other stuff)

[lunar stream]

the no sprint stuff should prolly be kept for milsim mode

[thick fulcrum]

Inertia also has the benefit of helping weapons with slower fire rates and bullet velocities quite a bit
You'd likely see a uptick in semi auto pistol usage with it when it became easier to hit people without them spinning wildly

[glacial drift]

anything I missed?

[keen tangle]

i would rejoice having 40kills in a full-length 40minute ctf game fr

[hard solar]

For reference, my average kills in a game is anywhere from 30-50

I specifically don't play medic or SMG/carbine/PDW

[lunar stream]

85/25 assault on salhan with a p90 and a nearly empty lobby
or the better one... 80/27 assault, as val on either azagor or salhan (i forgor) and a nearly full lobby
(assault rules)

[glacial drift]

about the same here, exception is just the scorpion evo (dakka)

[lunar stream]

scoop gang (def no 2.7k+ kills on it)

[bold badger]

Yeah idk guess I'll just have to get better

[lunar stream]

most based way to play the game 🤝

[hard solar]

You get better by challenging yourself, I'm not gonna say playing the best class isn't fun but it's not gonna improve skill

[elder hare]

https://tenor.com/view/cuh-guh-buh-gif-26372267

[keen tangle]

just dropped a huge game

[lunar stream]

congrats

[tidal light]

I think that the BattleBit devs need to consider retuning the prone animations in this game. If we are being as realistic as we should be in the hyper realistic depiction of combat we should factor in things such as player health and fitness, disabilities and surface texture. For example, the average male completes a push up in ~4 seconds (two up, two down), however this variable changes when a push up is performed on sand or gravel where there is less tread to grip to. Furthermore I believe that the armor a player is wearing should play factor into the timing of going prone. Someone wearing no armor and no helmet will have no movement penalty other than that relative of their texture below them, however a player wearing exo armor head to toe should face a movement penalty standing up as the have to combat the weight of the armor in the animation standing them up

[hard solar]

Ok so ARMA then?