Littlebird - Feedback

[drifting helm]

build the game around people that would actually stay for the game, and play it on HOURS

[jade flax]

You can’t just say people need to get better. The average player is average in every game ever, and that’s how it will always be. I understand your frustration, but I do not see how else the issues with the little bird could have been addressed.

[drifting helm]

Yes, i can, and i will say it proudly, people spend time learning how to be better, why would my time be less worth than a guy that just wants to click roblox for 2 hours a week and never come back

just my take tho, dont take this opinion too hard

[jade flax]

I’m not bothered by your opinion, you’re as welcome to it as I am to mine.

[deft vigil]

"Oh fuck the majority of this game, you need to understand it was totally fine that I was top fragging every game with LB and rarely ever got killed" They should have just played better these freaking noobs... wait why is this game losing players"

[jade flax]

The point is that saying everyone else just needs to get better is not a good way to balance a game. I could just as easily tell you that you need to get better if you want to use the little bird now.

[deft vigil]

Dude, Rev0s, just some advise. If you think the Little Bird is garbage now you just need to adapt to these nerf and get better

[drifting helm]

nah i play infantry only cause thast is the onnly working thing in this game

[deft vigil]

But to get it right, you were number 1 or number 2 every game when you played LB only right?

[hollow gulch]

Chief if you played LBs then you'd know that there's nothing to adapt into

[drifting helm]

and still am on infantry yes

[deft vigil]

And what do you play with Infantry?

SMG Medic, Leanspam/Dolphin dive, Light armor right?

[drifting helm]

even if i do, does that make me bad in any way?

[deft vigil]

No it was just a question

[drifting helm]

how i play the game, how i have fun in the game is not a business of anyone lol

[deft vigil]

ok... ok. fair 😄 xd

[drifting helm]

if i have fun in LB, let me have fun

if i have fun as infantry, let me have fun

[jade flax]

I don’t see how he’s playing infantry as super relevant.

[drifting helm]

besides that is entirely too far from the topic

[deft vigil]

But just as a question. Could you consistently reach top 3 with other guns/classes too?

[drifting helm]

my entire point is that is OKI's fault for not even TRYING to give countermeasures for infantry players

yes, not even too hard considering how shit this community is

[deft vigil]

Ever tried?

[drifting helm]

dude i have 30k kills on infantry, i played everything

im here since early playtest days

[deft vigil]

fair fair... but truth be told, if you don't reach nearly as good of a performance on other weapons and classes, then maybe you can reach that only because not of your skill, but because of you playing meta weapons.

[drifting helm]

as i said i play everything

[rare cloak]

What?! Before the glass buff + bandage, any player could shoot the pilot and kill them.

LMGs were the best at this.

Easier and safer than using a goddamn tandem on a tank that insists on camping in spawn.

[jade flax]

I’m not explaining this again, scroll up if you’re curious

[rare cloak]

APC one shotting tail rotor.

Keep this in mind when you complain and beg for Tank/APC buffs and ask for Tandem/C4 nerfs then.

While we're at it, maybe we'll get an AoE reduction and damage fall-off on APCs/Tanks to raise the skill floor to that of the LBs since we're designing them with the same philosophy.

Basically, the only differences between LB and Tanks will be a trade-off between mobility and defense. Is that what you want? I don't mind.

[jade flax]

I don’t do either of those things.

[rare cloak]

My bad, not beg, ask.

[jade flax]

I don’t want buffs to tanks or APCs or nerfs to tandems. C4 should be less of a jack of all trades, though.

[rare cloak]

Hmm, you're right. I had you mixed up with someone else. My b.

[jade flax]

No worries.

[rare cloak]

When you say effective counter? Do you mean to kill or to at least be able to avoid?

If a LB is camping so far out that you cannot interact with it, simply moving around or using any cover is enough to make it nothing more than a slight nuisance.

[jade flax]

I mean being able to kill or destroy the little bird. The frustration mostly came from players feeling like there was nothing they could do to actually stop the helicopter pilot. You might survive yourself if you take cover or move well, but if there’s a helicopter pilot racking up 200 kills on your team and you can’t hit them with anything it feels bad.

[charred trail]

That's stupideas, especially when they both have dmg fall of alredy

[rare cloak]

I was referring to LB pre-nerf.

I don't want either, but I still have matches where players are camping in their territory.

[charred trail]

Amd AoE is small for the game size and speeds

[jade flax]

To add to this, it felt like the most you could do was damage them a bit before they left to heal and repair.

[rare cloak]

This is how I feel when dealing with snipers. Unless I switch to a sniper, the only way I can deal with them is by approaching them. However, when they camp in their team territory, the game literally prevents me from engaging them with my weapon's effective range by disabling my weapon and giving me a 10 second timer.

What are your thoughts on the current state of snipers in relation to their counterplay?

[rare delta]

safezone sniping should definitely be removed. shit is fucking cringe

[rare cloak]

I have my own way of dealing with territory camping: #1133100077896957992 message

But, I want to hear Bob's take on their current state.

[rare cloak]

A big reason why people here have an issue with the LB are the same reasons why people take issue with sniping. You essentially have a one-sided encounter, where the only true counter-play is to do it yourself. But even then, it's not the same.

At distance, the best and possibly only reliable way to deal with snipers is to countersnipe. If they happen to be setting up camp and roasting marshmallows within their territory, then they can only be engaged when they choose to engage. Players who haven't unlocked all the snipers nor their attachments will also find themselves at a disadvantage at range due to the utility of the range finder and the ability to zero 1200m+ distances.

Little Birds are a different beast. In my experience, I have had the most success with countering a Little Bird, with a Little Bird of my own. However, unlike with snipers, I can't just switch to the Little Bird class. Maps are lucky if they even have 2 LBs per team and maps like Waki only have 1 in total. So if I'm not already in a LB, then I'm usually SoL. Doubly so if the enemy stole ours or the crossstreaming thing that that one guy mentioned occurs. However, LBs cannot really camp in their territory and hope to be remotely effective on the battlefield. They can retreat, play distance, but they can't really camp, especially from other air vehicles.

Any thoughts you would like to share? @jade flax

[jade flax]

I’ll look all this over, I was in class.

[jade flax]

Should probably go to either #1138399620570038365 or #1138743146541486130 though.

[jade flax]

Okay, I see the relevance for this thread now.

I do think safe zone sniping is an issue, especially on maps like sandysunset. You shouldn’t be able to go and kill people from someplace nobody else can get to you. I personally don’t usually have too much trouble switching to a sniper rifle and killing them myself, but that’s not how most people feel about it and I acknowledge that.

The big difference I see is that there are readily available counters to snipers. The most obvious is that you can just switch to a sniper rifle yourself and go try to kill that player with it. If they’re not in the safe zone, you can flank around and get to a range where you can kill them. These are all things that any player can do at any time just by moving or switching their gun.

One difference I see with the little bird is that you can’t really just switch to a counter because there isn’t an easy counter. They can be hard to hit even with bullets, and crucially, even if you do manage to land a hit or several you’re very unlikely to kill them. If you don’t kill them, they are free to fly back to their base, heal and repair, and go straight back out. A sniper can’t do that, at least not nearly as easily or safely.

You also can’t use your movement to fight a little bird. You can use cover to move closer to a sniper until you are able to effectively engage them. Conversely, you will only ever be as close to them as they want you because they can fly and you can’t.

Last, snipers aren’t any more mobile than you are (not counting any potential armor or weapon movement speed modifiers). A sniper at a distance will also need to be relatively still while they attack you, meaning you can try to close distance or shoot back if at all possible.
A helicopter is much, much faster than you. you cant't close the distance to make them easier to shoot because they're always moving and they the fastest a player can move in the entire game.

add on how much more health they have than you, and it's a frustrating recipe.

[charred trail]

"you can’t really just switch to a counter because there isn’t an easy counter."
good thing it's not needed anymore

[jade flax]

What isn’t needed anymore?

[charred trail]

Counter to it, becouse after nerfs, It's barely present in the game

Adding any counter to LB now, would just make Transport helis unplayable

[jade flax]

Ok

[rare cloak]

I'll go into this assuming safe zoning is solved.

Counters
When it comes to countering snipers, the hardest counter is probably counter sniping. Depending on the map, flanks might just not be feasible, but maybe that's just a map issue. Sometimes, you can't push flanks because there's a million opponents between you and the sniper, but that' probably a team issue. As for simply shooting back, even if you had the perfect aim and drop, the punishing damage drop-off just makes that unfeasible. This also likely contributes to the effectiveness or lack thereof of landing shots on a LB at a distance. This is why I am not a fan of this balancing method in general, but it is what it is.

When it comes to countering Little Birds, it is true that the counters are as deep as a puddle, but they are as wide as the sea. Sure, nothing will be almost as guaranteed as a competent counter-snipe the moment a sniper stands still to take his shot, but the LB's big hitbox, large window, small health pool make it a very attractive target. All small arms have the potential to kill the pilot, LMGs and vehicle HMGs are effective against it, heavy vehicles and RPGs may have trouble hitting it, but landing a single shot will absolutely devastate it. And while this is also true against any infantry unit, the Little Bird is always in the air and out in the open with very little cover if any at all.

Mobility, Retreat, and Repair
I'm going to work with the assumption that the LB is playing the distance game, AKA: Your bullets can't realistically reach.

At a distance, both the Little Bird and a Sniper have to lead their shots. Sniper can zero their scopes to make drop neglible, while the LB just shoots straight. However, while the LB has to land 3+ shots to secure a kill, a sniper has to aim true just once for a kill. Players can move unpredictably to avoid both, but should a shot land from from the LB, they can use bandages or a medkit to heal. Getting hit by a sniper has no recourse.

The main point being that a Little Bird playing the distance game does not need to be killed in order to stop being a legitimate threat. The second it starts shooting, players will be made aware and will have time to react before they are killed.

At this point, if a LB is being ineffective and goes to retreat and repair at the slightest hint of damage, is that really an issue?

[rare cloak]

We're discussing the reasons for the nerf in the first place.

[jade flax]

It is much, much harder to shoot a moving helicopter than it is to shoot a sniper. And even though the little bird has to land more shots, the fire rate is so high that’s not a disadvantage. Snipers have a much much lower rate of fire.

[charred trail]

I know, I just said that LB doesn't need counters anymore

[rare cloak]

At a distance, your bullets will do neglible damage to a sniper. If they have any form of supply full of bandages or a medic kind enough to drop a medkit (Something I've had the pleasure of when camping on that damned lighthouse in Basra), then your bullets might as well be popcorn used to feed the enemy free xp.

Also, a Little Bird landing consecutive shots at such a distance on moving targets is much more unfeasible than a sniper landing a single headshot.

[rare cloak]

I was just making sure.

[charred trail]

I like your take, you have nice point here

A lot of players don't understand/chooses to ignore the value, efficency and how reasonable detterence is

They want 1 shot kill tools to stimulate thier monkey brains, that's why a lot of people were saying that "we need AA lock on missles" which is deranged and awfull take, because it basically invalidates the existence of any gameplay loop with helicopters, especially on 127v127

Detterence can work much better, because it allows to say "fuck you, go away" to a thing we want gone, forcing opposing player to change location/tactic/approach, and creating downtime, which achives goal of inf, while still having valid gameplay loop for other players

That's something that BF2042 does well, AA missles can't just kill helicopters easily, but they can deter/scare them away. AA vehicle even more so. They still are valid threat to players, but not dead and unfun to play

But ignoring them will lead to them fucking you up very quickly

[rare cloak]

I understand not wanting people to get a high k/d for free and the capability to kill the person that has been farming your lobby, but I think the potential to one-shot the pilot through the side openings or to just kill them in a few bullets justifies your idea of AA's being a deterrent rather than a guaranteed kill option.

[charred trail]

I don't like being able to shoot out pilots too. That's IRL mehanic that is too consistent when imported in to the game, and it doesn't require a lot of skill, because it's just basic target aquisition.

But it can be made better by allowing to damage/kill pilot with AA gun for example, when foqused on cockpit, it creates a weakspot of sorts

[proud oxide]

This guy

It took me way more than "4 hours" to average 70-2.

[rare cloak]

I like it because it plays into the high risk high reward playstyle. As long as the glass offers some notable protection, I think it's fine.

[proud oxide]

Literally the only maps for that I could get 100+ games were salhan, agazor, and waki. If you think you can get 200 kills on maps like eduardo, isle, or barsa for example your delusional

[rare cloak]

Is Salhan that one where the snipers would camp on the cliffs in their territory?

[proud oxide]

Yes, I just died to one 5 mins ago flying

[rare cloak]

I would explicitly use the LB to kill them, but then they started putting up sandbags, so if I tried to go around, the timer would start and my weapons would magically stop working. So, I would sometimes get a squadmate with an rpg and drop 'em off right next to the safe zone. Good times.

[proud oxide]

Put like 20 hours flying since the update and the thing that infurates me the most is the blackhawk. Theres literally no way to survive them unless your close to base and they dont have competant gunners.

Especially on maps like Barsa and Isle you can absolutly fucked if you are not paying attention (which happens a lot)

its impossible to be aware of every helicopter

[drifting helm]

On salhan, the map is already so small And designed so shit, you are 24/7 at a risk of death. The only safe spot is your base. There were only 2 maps where you could try get 200 being waki And azagor but that is purely map issue, these two maps allowed for Group farming of bots clumping up together.

Any other map, getting anything above 100 was an actual achievement And borderline rarity.

There is so many counters to LB that already work well, plus infantry JUST SPRAYing, they dont eben have to aim anywhere consistently, this buggy ass game will give them a hit on a pilot And make the pilot bleed randomly. LB has what, 500-600 hp, in terms of vehicle HP that is PAPER - same as quad or rhib i believe. It takes 10 seconds of constant fire from infantry to make LB burn. Very easy thing, considering monke see monke shoot instantly

Due to the nerfs the pilot has to be extra close to even deal any damage And by design, cockpit faces the targets so while I can kill you, you can kill me Just as easily

The movement/ gravity nerfs affects everything so hard that with current ways it is impossible to play LB.

Dont even revert movement, but give range And damage again to where it was And LB is so much more balanced

Two heavy nerfs at the same time was a huge mistake by oki, but that is nothing new. Same shit over And over for the past 2 years.

[latent bear]

Before there was actually a chance for them to fight back if they got jumped/supprised by the transport helicopter, now they can barely fight back with the reduced minigun damage before they are destroyed.

[proud oxide]

Basically

[thin pendant]

I think a big problem is the infantry who felt “ defenceless” should get killed maybe 2 times a game. Is that a big deal . No. But they just cry about it loudly even tho 2 times a game usually 1 tbh is not a bad thing

[deft vigil]

Thats not going to happen, you just want to kill entire lobbies with your LB and abuse it like you have for the past months. In fact you all do. It was clearly OP but you are all on denial juice. Now that your powertrip has ended and the LB is as strong as it should have been you cry that you can't top frag with a vehicle anymore, which shouldn't be possibly with any vehicle.

This game is infantty focused and Vehicles are merely a support force that complements Infantry, and not something you can farm 150, 200 kills with.

The fact that non of you ever felt bad when going 100-1 or 100-2 and making up supposed counters where there were none that were reliable just shows your complete lack of consideration for anyone other than yourself.
If I would top frag every single game with a KD of 40, or 50 a vehicle I would start to think this is absurd and would push for nerfs myself. Watching you complain while like everyone else complained about LB for weeks is just karma for your selfish actions. Period.

Every Lobby you were in, Every Lobby that had a LB tryhard in it felt horrible. So it was finally fixed and turned back to an acceptable degree, just not for you, but for those 100 people that fought on the ground.

At last, as Grote said on Reddit, the constant insults and absolute hate towards your Clan on (supposedly) server chat should have opened your eyes. Yet you are still completely delusional, selfish and completly arrogant about it. And insults were the least bad thing that was thrown at you, have you ever considered why you were hated? Did you ever thought that maybe you are the problem, and you using the LB to completly wrecking entire lobbies (by making 127 kills statistically killing everyone once)?

Ever considered that maybe your fun goes to the expense of so many more players? No, none of you ever did. Even when you would understand it, you must admit that people will stop playing when they don't have fun and once too many do that then even you will realize that flying on empty servers is not fun.

[drifting helm]

Oh well, back to blocking this senseless reddit bloke. Pls post that on reddit : im glad FlyAce killed battlebit, cause now there is less idiots like you:)

[drifting helm]

You've been given plethora of arguments And you still retaliate to "fuck u, u had ur powertrip now go away"

[deft vigil]

Yeah. Cause that is what it boils down to. But its more nuanced than that so I wrote a wall of text for it

[twilit ingot]

killed battlebit? how? 😂

[drifting helm]

Apparently LB players made everyone quit!

[charred trail]

Someone is either delusional, or coping too much

To make such statements

[lofty igloo]

Some people like the mask of internet to be toxic

[proud oxide]

How does a good pilot make a whole match horrible? If for say that pilot got 100 kills in a match, the chances of someone being killed more than twice over the 25 mins the match lasts is statistically low, unless your putting yourself in a position to be killed.

ALSO Going 100-1 would be pretty special on a majority of maps. Im not even that good.

[deft vigil]

replace "good pilot" with blantant aimbotter

[proud oxide]

So now your insulting people better than you, accusing them of hacking. This is a feedback forum, not a place for you to express your displeasure, especially with baseless accusations.

[deft vigil]

What are you pulling out of the air?

I am saying that if cheaters go 100-0, the game would also be ruined

You can apply your type of thinking "He didnt even kill everyone in a lobby" to an aimbotter too.

If a wallhacker goes idk, 50/34, nobody would complain. If someone legit goes 74/29 nobody would complain either.

[proud oxide]

I have not seen anyone aimbot inside of a helicoopter.

[charred trail]

"Some is better than me = aimbot" mentality here

[proud oxide]

I have seen quite a few use aimbot to kill pilots

[charred trail]

LMAO

[deft vigil]

If you guys are not capable of understanding my literary devices then thats on you.

[proud oxide]

You didn't use a literary device?

[deft vigil]

A comparison is such thing

Also why do i even bother discussing it with you, everything was already said.

[proud oxide]

Just because listed your points, doesn't mean people agree with you.

Whole point of a feedback forum is to come to a consensus.

[deft vigil]

Which is impossible with people that think going 70-2 is fine

with PBs going into the 200s

[proud oxide]

It is fine. Getting games where you go 70-2 is pretty amazing.

[deft vigil]

Balance wise no

[proud oxide]

Only map where anyone got 200 was wakistan, and i think even pilots agree its op.

[proud oxide]

Its fine balance wise, because statiscally anyone going 70-2 pre update was rare.

It wasn't something that happened every game, it didn't happen often.

People are mad because there was a certain group of people who spent dozens of hours prefecting the art of achiving that mileston.

[deft vigil]

No people were mad because there was no practical counter to LB

[deft vigil]

If even pilots agree its OP that you could go 200 Kills on Wakistan, then why do they make such a fuss about nerfs and want to revert it back to its 200 possible kill spree on Waki?

And those 200 kill games made it apparent that there is an issue. Even if its an exception and a "Game gone very good", it is quite absurd in the first place

But it doesnt matter, the devs already made a choice. They made a choice that benefits most players. Because regardless of anything. If you only play vehicles, and go on with high KDs it will only be you having fun while there will always be more than dozens that think this is an issue.

If you make a lot of kills with only a few deaths, people will wonder how you achieve it. If they can mimik it easily by trying what you just did they CAN atleast try to understand how to counter it because they can try it for yourself.

However when there are only 2 LB, and as you said, a high skill ceiling then most people wont bother.

[proud oxide]

I want the changes reverted because I agree the real reason was there was little counters to the littlebird. But driving away an entire player base with darastic changes was wrong. The movement made the littlebird really enjoyable. Why couldn't the devs add an actual counter then? On Wakistan anyway the current world record isnt even held by someone flying, its by a guy on the ground. Getting 200 kills flying, theres only been like 10 games.

[proud oxide]

People who are interested will try. Theres a literal server just dedicated to flying.

[proud oxide]

or used to be.

Why did the developers completly dog on the littlebird mechanics instead of growing the skill required to get good. Adding flares and a heat rocket that can be launched from the rpg (an example) would have most definitly been a better option in my opinion

[deft vigil]

But thats not a thing we can easily add right now, so the maybe temporary solution is that nerf because it was a problem now that has already needed a solution yesterday

[proud oxide]

The nerf was out of spite, someone pissed the actual lead dev off, which he threw upon the whole flying community with this nerf instead of talking to those who fly and making comprimises we can somewhat agree upon

[jade flax]

Because this was quick and easy and effective and that would have taken a lot of time and resources. When we have anti air in the future I’d expect buffs to helicopters again.

[jade flax]

Also, why the hell would they be making compromises with the people who fly? Compromises aren’t the point. The point is balance. It’s not a halfway between what you want and what someone else wants.

[proud oxide]

Achiving balance is the whole point of a comprise. Do you think the littlebird is balanced now? Why are so many complaining.

[jade flax]

It’s as balanced as it’s going to get without adding completely new features to the game.

[proud oxide]

I disagree.

[jade flax]

People are complaining because their favorite way to play the game isn’t as strong as it was. Which is normal to be upset about, but it doesn’t mean they’re right.

[proud oxide]

The littlebird is a glass box, try flying it.

[deft vigil]

Bob, I appreciate that you continue where I started, but I hope it's not getting tedious for you lol

[proud oxide]

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesnt mean you have to make passive agressive insults

[jade flax]

I don’t understand what this has to do with anything

[deft vigil]

No, thats not what I meant, but rather repeating arguments for different people is fine, but its getting old real quick

[proud oxide]

Thats what im doing too. The argument centers around those such as yourself with little to no experience flying saying the changes are fine, to people like me with hundreds of hours flying saying the changes are extreme

[proud oxide]

Im just saying the changes are extreme. How are people supposed to learn to fly when they can be blown up in two seconds.

[deft vigil]

Also i couldnt find the M9 pistol spawns LB server anymoer

[jade flax]

Learning to fly in bbr is just difficult in general since you can’t practice outside of a game.

[proud oxide]

There was a server for a while that made it easy to practice but, its gone since the update.

[deft vigil]

But we can switch that thinking too. Before the nerf Pilots could organise themselves in a ratio of 1/3. One LB pilot plays the game normally, while the others have one goal: Destroy the LB

Anything goes: Ask your squad to bring an AUG, maybe get into an APC, do nothing but try to fire RPGs on the LB

And see whether you get frustrated or not.
Hell maybe just join an empty community server

[proud oxide]

I've been on that side too lol. It was really efficient to use the gunner thing on top of the vehicals.

Players were getting better and better at destroying littlebirds before the update, now its decently easy. too easy

The thing has the same health as an atv

[drifting helm]

@proud oxide do not get into convo with people that only know the infantry side of things. It's pointless presenting them even the most balanced ideas cause it's their happy time, they will not care if LB is balanced or not after the nerfs cause they never even bothered learning or even trying once properly.

Blud literally says getting kills in an attack vehicle should not be a thing cause a combined arms game is apparently "infantry focused"

Like bro, fuck outta conquest then And stick to frontline/domination or literally any other gamemode than conquest

There is literally only 1 gamemode with attack vehicles And they keep bitching

Remember going 150ish-30 is fine but going 150-1 in LB is almost considered a crime!

Just dont talk with them. Waste of your time.

People gave here tons of proper feedback that is actually so fucking valuable And they will keep coming and saying we:
A) deserve those nerfs
B) vehicles cant be stronk!!!!11one!!!1!1
C) should Just get better

They will never see our side of view

[latent bear]

I went 100 kills in the transport helicopter in Wakistan, split between 3+ people. Should we nerf the transport helicopter to shit now?
What really fucks me off is that even before this patch and in all the footage of these high kill games, you Americans and Europeans infantry players don't even TRY to counter the Littlebird. There was no contant stream of machine gun fire from 5 diffrent people. There was no enemy transport attacking the LB. There was no APC shooting rounds at the LB. There was no RPGs being fired at the littlebird. An APC litterally could have locked down Momento Mori from the entire wakistan bridge had it pushed up or even went into the water.
It was just constant whining in the chat and then in the forums.
Guess what I did one time when I late joined a wakistani map and saw a LB closing in on 100? I got into the transport helicopter and killed him lol, and it wasn't the first time I've done something like that as a late join. All it takes is the will to use the counters you've been given.

I miss fighting all the pro littlebird pilots.

[deft vigil]

🙂

The nerfs are here to stay, and thats the best part

[jade flax]

I don’t think they will tbh. Once we get anti-air (and we know we will eventually) I’d expect buffs to the little bird and other vehicles.

[deft vigil]

Imagine comparing Blackhawk with LB, unironically.

Again, the LB was the way to was for months and as you said, yall had footage of high kill games despite "supposed" easy counters.
If they were so easy then don't you think people would have done them?

If it was to hard to counter, which it was because people complained about it, then there is no counter.

Everything you propose is just a joke:

All you need to do is coordinate as people of 5 or 10, All you need to do is all get into a Blackhawk, All you need to do is just hit your APC shots from 400m distances.

The Little Bird will just fly to the repair station and back in like 30 seconds.
For the Sniper/RPG/APC "counter" just try to hit a butterfly with a DMR is a similar comparison.
And Blackhawk is not a counter at all. The LB will just constantly get behind it and mow it down because he can outmanover the BH and be on his tail.

But I just enjoy it how desperate you guys are that you now need to play the game like everyone else does.

To explain it to you carefully:
Pilots are a tiny minority in this game. They are even a minority among vehicle players as there are maybe 20 armed vehicles on each spawn. So atleast there are 100 infantry players, 1-3 LB pilots, 1-2 Blackhawk Pilots, APCs, Armed Transport Vehicles (Humvee and Gastiger), a few Tanks, RCB90s, and Rhibs.

Of these Infantry players, a large enough playerbase, who already outnumbered the Pilots himself deemed the LB unfair and asked for nerfs. Citing Personal Bests of 200+ or 100+ kills to 2-3 deaths on average as baseline for an unpresidented high kill count among ALL vehicles.
So already you are a minority, the devs agreed and a nerf was made.

It's as simple as that. If a large enough player base deems something unbalanced, it is unbalanced. That's how it works and the longer players encountered "good" Pilots going on such large killing sprees, the more players had a negative experience, and the longer it went on, the more people logically tried to counter it. Yet, despite it, your Deaths and amount of LB destruction never reached a fair amount that was deemed acceptable by the playerbase. So it needed a nerf. Simple as that.
You really didn't think this could go on forever right? Only playing LB match after match, getting top 3 in the leaderboard each time.

[latent bear]

If they were so easy then don't you think people would have done them?

Because the skill level in American and European servers is non existant. Your biggest weapon is whineing.

[deft vigil]

Ironic coming from the dude whining about his vehicle being nerfed

[latent bear]

And Blackhawk is not a counter at all. The LB will just constantly get behind it and mow it down because he can outmanover the BH and be on his tail.

You can tell your gunners to hold your fire and sneak up to close range. Then you just maintain altitude and kill him off. Can be done in under a minute from taking off at base.

[deft vigil]

So you mean you can sneak up on a little bird from behind to close range, and then fire everything at once

[finite terrace]

Another nerf is coming with Anti Air

[latent bear]

Can be from behind or upfront since the littlebird can't see forward if they are fully tilted engaging infantry. Then you just tell your gunners to shoot and they shoot. If you stay on him both can shoot forward at the same time and kill him off.

[proud oxide]

Literally how I die 60% of the time now.

Ive made top 5 killboard since the update multiple times and ive still seen people complaining in chat. Nothing will ever satisfy them.

[drifting helm]

@latent bear you see what I mean that it's pointless even partaking in conversation with infantry only whiners? He doesnt even know what he is Talking about but will defend his opinion And laugh at our faces. It is what it is, guess minorities have no voice in BBR cause the bigger crybaby community will only be heard

He doesnt even know that coordinating gunners in BH to shoot at LB, all it takes is the BH pilot to look straight at the LB And you Just win. It was like that before the update, now it's Just free. He doesnt know shit cause he never even saw that part of the game. All he cares is that he died 3 Times to LB one game(or more, honestly massive skill lack) but him dying to grenade spam on waki or snipers that you dont see most of the time all day is fine

It's been the same conversation thru all battlefields, whomp whomp vehicles stronk, cant play inf. Just shut up wankers holy fuck

Soon they will want to nerf every transport that can give you kills too

Fucking nerf BH cause a good trio of gunners And pilots can fucking obliterate everyone, nerf fucking armored humvees cause they can also sit on one place And farm those brainless players rushing into one spot. Nerf everything that kills them.

[sharp sierra]

nerf other 253 players pls can't play they kill me

[drifting helm]

IM calling out oki right here that if he keeps listening to the crybaby masses he will keep doing way more harm to the game than he can even imagine. Quit this bullshitery already And use brain

[drifting helm]

Hahaha

[sharp sierra]

well, it's not that simple tbh. Democracy just works like that bro. Majority wins.
Other thing that now it just doesn't work like that cuz now not majority wins but those who whines louder

[drifting helm]

This is the issue. Unless oki himself will start using actual brain when he does changes like this the game will get more fucked up. There could have been 10 different ways in nerfing LB, or in fact any other shit from this game that Got put into the ground, to make it more balanced for BOTH SIDES, but the trend for the past 2 years been kill one shit(instead of balancing it properly) for a longer time while he thinks if something is good change or not

Gun wise most of the changes turned out to be alright(fuck that DMR buff) but vehicle wise not a single change was good.

[sharp sierra]

it's not oki's problem bro

he's main coder of bbr. He's NOT main balancer. He's NOT main game designer. He got his own job to do and he does it great ngl (except for netcode but nvm).
This game just needs competent people who actually knows how to balance games etc

[proud oxide]

Look, I don't care about the changes enough to do anything besides type in this feedback chat, but the nerf shouldn't have been about getting retaliation against two players who happened to piss him off.

[drifting helm]

That is what in saying. Think of the changes first instead of doing them haphazardly without any consideration how it affects anything

Like that was such a stupid change, I could get Just mobility nerf but he does two HEAVY nerfs And not even thinks twice

[sharp sierra]

Not his job still

[drifting helm]

That was his change, not feedback team

[proud oxide]

I mean in this scenario he was the one to change the littlebird.

[drifting helm]

Game needs more devs to distribute workload evenly tho, I agree

[sharp sierra]

feedback team doesn't really matter. This is just group of people with unknown skill and unknown level of understanging how games should work in temrs of balance

[proud oxide]

I doubt he would have changed the lb this severly if two players hadn't pissed him off.

[drifting helm]

It was much less those two players, more of reddit damage control to not lose numbers.

[sharp sierra]

bruh after 7 years of development i think he doesn't give a fuck who pisses him bro

[proud oxide]

I think the two players who "abused" the system were apart of the feedback team

[drifting helm]

They Got so loud with their whining he had to act

[proud oxide]

I think he would. This is his baby.

[drifting helm]

Back to the topic guys, I know it sorta covers this LB issue but Austin finna come And mute this shit 💀

[sharp sierra]

His baby needs more teachers (parents actually but that sounds weird. Let's say it needs relatives idk)

[sharp sierra]

I'd agree with muting this topic.
Because now after 1.2k messages i think it's pointless. Because conversation goes in circles. We're coming to something like agreement, then comes few more people and cycle starts again with explanation, swearing and other stuff.
There never be final grand agreement between everybody because everyone has his own opinion and not everyone wants to change it no matter how much times you'll tell him he's wrong.

[drifting helm]

Nah but where do people get the idea that a singular feedback member has so much power that he can alter the game? What. It's like 20 guys that vote on feedback throughput from the community And they all Vote eachothers out to come to consensus, singular person dont mean shit there lol

[charred trail]

The best part is that those few 'more people" are propably multi accounts of some very salty and stupid people that can't help but be toxic

[charred trail]

Proof of that satetement?

[proud oxide]

I agreee lmao.

[drifting helm]

12k messages on Old vehicle thread about the same shit we have here aswell. The point was already out ages ago. It's Just unlistened to aswell. It is what it is.

[proud oxide]

Dude i just heard it from someone else lol

Someone more knowledgable than me

[charred trail]

Yeah, so no proof

[proud oxide]

Okay?

[jade flax]

proof of what?

[sharp sierra]

Maybe guys we don't really understand what feedback is.
Maybe you (Rev0s in particular but just as example) should stop trying to change somebody's opinion? Let people just write anything they think about lb.
In conclusion it will be easier for someone who can affect devs to read all that and make proper statement idk

[charred trail]

What you said isn't simmilar to Terminalintel statement on reddit, so yeah, you are kinda wrong

[proud oxide]

what is terminalintel?

[charred trail]

one of the mods

[proud oxide]

I dont use reddit lmao

[drifting helm]

I mean, even if I say anything, Just because im top FlyAce member, plus i been witch-hunted by reddit they will instantly hate my statements And fight my opinions to death so yh, you kinda right, why do I even bother speaking

[charred trail]

So you are spreading misinformation then. You could looked it up

[charred trail]

Those witch hunts were disgusting. And mods didn't do anything

[drifting helm]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[charred trail]

Bunch of 🐱

[sharp sierra]

i'll remind you that you, for example, simply wasting your time here. I'd recommend you to make final statement what do you think about LB now and forget about this topic forever (or until something actually changes)

[sharp sierra]

bunch of

[proud oxide]

Bro I literally just found it on reddit lol. https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/16g5x8w/so_let_me_get_this_straight_the_founder_of_a_clan/

[drifting helm]

Read it properly, dont form opinion, read some comments. This is why we are here

[drifting helm]

https://tenor.com/view/cfif126-cfif-gif-20981448

[sharp sierra]

basically yes :D

[drifting helm]

Hahaha i had to, this was a perfect setup for this

[proud oxide]

Look im not apart of any clan involved in flying, and I don't crossteam. But a few crossteamers speak the loudest for the entire flying community which sucks.

[drifting helm]

You know, I wont even dare to drop my final statement on LB, i've already been here for months speaking about proper balance, possible countermeasures from inf And pilot perspective, you name it. Kind of pointless for me to build another wall of text that repeats what I been fighting for here for months. Anyways, enjoy your evening lads. Change da world

[charred trail]

they weren't even speaking. Just used as a examply to justify public lynch, that's all

[sharp sierra]

i'm glad you did it bro 👍

[jade flax]

I guess if I have to say anything it's that I think the nerfs make sense for now but once we get dedicated AA in the game (which devs have said is coming) then I hope helicopters get buffed accordingly

[sharp sierra]

ye if you want to make some kind of "final statement" then go for it. If you don't want to do it then you can just peacefully leave this topic since long term conversation is pointless since everyone has his own opinion, expeience etc

[jade flax]

I wish people actually used these threads for feedback but it's just circular arguments lol

[charred trail]

they don't make sense for now

Like seriously, stupid attemt at dmg coontroll and appeasing reddit

Propably thought throught in like 5 min

[sharp sierra]

Overall concept of open conversation is good but in our case this is just doesn’t work.
I think there should be group of people from both sides of barricades but who actually want to peacefully discuss problem and that are opened and ready to change their mind with enough arguments and facts provided.
But here we have bunch of people with their own opinions that can throw shit into each other for idk weeks and months without achieving any agreement. So, open conversation here is pointless.
Leave your final statement and pls go tell your relatives (family, friends idk) that you love them and spend some time with them cuz at some point you’ll regret wasting your time here ❤️

[finite terrace]

Hopefully Oki adds the anti air gadget on Saturday so we can test how strong it is

[hollow gulch]

switch LBs with the mechs from armored core - final statement

https://tenor.com/view/goodbye-chat-starship-rocket-meme-starship-meme-gif-23268393

[thin pendant]

My guy doesn’t understand that I used to enjoy getting ten - 15 kills with it and then I would die die to my bad movement

Sure there were some nolifes or heli mains but tbh most of us would fly around like lunatics and have a load of fun, maybe get a few kills. But now that’s ruined because of no mowvemet anymore

[charred trail]

This is the closes thread to the topic so, I really want to see attack choppers in this game. AH1z/Ka52 or Ah64/mi28

It can be done properly (unlike LB) and would work really well

Would be a perfect "counter" to spawn camping vehicles

[latent bear]

I would love guided missiles for the safezone camping tanks. You could fire straight up, get some altitude then come down on them like a predator missile.

[charred trail]

Lock on/guided missles are cringe

Never liked them in BF, Squad like ATGM's are more tolerable but still I would not want to see them in this game

Just simple ungaided dumb rockets, the thing that requires skill, are the best

[drifting helm]

I wish attack heli was a thing ong

[meager echo]

Redditor's comment reeks of toxicity. Dude was glad he spread hatred and outrage, which is such a sus thing to enjoy. Sounds immoral to me.

[rare cloak]

Le Reddit Armie xD

:(

[thin pendant]

At least reditors are not a threat irl

[charred trail]

But they are a threat in internet, they can destroy a part of the game, they did that alredy

[modern swan]

They should add more civvie little birds, it's so fun to take them and use them like aerial quadbikes

[desert plinth]

Your logic faulters. The flying in battlebit is pretty similar to other games like battlefield for one. Making it pretty easy to dominate with the LB. Since a lot of people have many hours of practice from other games that share similar mechanics. Then there’s also a point of some people (especially younger folks) being quick learners.

Thus the nerf still seems ilogical to some extent. When there really should have been more thought put into it, before nerfing it. Especially considering how the nerf also worked as a bandaid for the bleeding wound - being the reddit dramaclub. Making it seem even more rushed, which shouldnt happen in the first place.

As someone who plays mainly infantry, I didnt find the lb’s that much of a problem as they were portrayed as. If anything they are more noticeable and tryhard now after the nerf lol.

[desert plinth]

A simple way to make up for some of its current faults, could be to buff the armor slightly and perhaps a speed buff of some kind. The LB really has become a slow drag

[deft vigil]

https://youtu.be/IO2iQf68CFA?si=aSUCU2QYrrYtwI1e
It's still possible to be good at LB (also who said the Blackhawk counters LB?, it's simply not true)

[desert plinth]

Well ofcourse. People who were recking people left and right before the nerf will for sure continue. However some of the fun moves from pre nerf cant be done no more. The game is also about having fun afterall lol. Cant wait to see what other cool stuff 4k gets up to

The learning curve and mastery for newcommers has gone up a good amount. Any other vehicles are pretty easy on the get go. The LB just has miniguns or whatever, not anything OP like rockets.

Still wasnt a good nerf.

You cant really justify it from someone clearly being good at the LB in the first place 🤷🏻‍♂️

Not to mention how the blackhawk is a pretty alright counter for the LB, given that the pilot and gunners communicate sufficiently.

You could argue that it isnt common for that to happen, but more than often, there are usually at least 1 good pilot flying the blackhawk, and most of the time people actively gunning and repairing.

Based on what a lot of people have argued or hinted at… the LB should require skill to master. Then surely the blackhawk, and all of the armed ground vehicles should also do that, given as how they all pack a heavy load.

Instead of silly nerfs, you could limit stuff like bullets. So that you have to fly back to base and resupply. Nowadays resupplying and repairing takes longer, so that once the LB comes back into battle players can be ready to counter.
It really is up to the enemy team to defend against x threats. I dont see people crying when a good blackhawk squad rolls up. Or someone is shredding in the tank (other than kids who thinks skill = hacking)

Its not that deep you guys. It doesnt have to be that complicated.

[charred trail]

But that's 100% of a reason for the nerf lol

LB was good only when used by a small group of skilled and dedicated individuals, not more than 200 of them imo

It was rare to see someone doing well with it

But reddit had a siezure and decided that few people having fun AFTER putting in a lot of work is too much and they sttarted crying

I am curious what they want to nerf next

[sharp sierra]

#1152887591054618644 message

#1152887591054618644 message

[latent bear]

I did. Short of an rpg the blackhawk is the easiest way to kill off a littlebird. I do it all the time, infact even before prepatch they would even leave the game after I kill them off lol. One even told me that when we were tanking together.

[modern swan]

I feel like buffing speed makes more sense but buffing hp is probably a better idea since it would make the LB a little more accessible to newer players.

[delicate thistle]

Hey

Idea has probably been said before, but idea on rebalancing the little bird

Bring back up the damage a good bit, maybe make the glass a wee bit stronger. But in exchange add more parts on the heli that can be broken or disabled by shooting them out a good bit.

So maybe the guns could malfunction if they're shot up, engine for the blades gets shot up so it becomes harder to gain lift

Stuff like that. Back rotor could be damaged (not completely destroyed) by gun fire to make it harder to control until taken back to base

Might be over complicating things, but may be a fun way to reward shooting up the heli (extra points for disabling parts) without outright killing the guy.

Rockets could disable certain bits based on where they're hitting as well. So if you slammed the heli from below maybe it doesn't die but it's guns are borked until they get out to repair it or fly back to base

This could also allow for differences in different types of "little birds". Aka model swaps that function the same, but the guns, engine, etc are on slightly different places

[modern swan]

I still want more of the flying quadbikes civvie little birds,

[desert plinth]

? Cant see how this is relevant to me giving feedback on the LB, giving views from both pre and post nerf. If anything telling people to go tell their family they love them.. is just unhelpful.
If you have something good to add please do!:) Being toxic aint helping anyone.

[delicate thistle]

An excellent idea

[modern swan]

Maybe they could add like, a 2 person mini-helo

[delicate thistle]

2 person jetpack

One person mashes space to go up, the other drives it

[sharp sierra]

i've been here since this topic started and pretty sure this whole conversation is pointless. We will never come to complete agreement between everybody.
Also this whole topic goes in circles. Someone has one opinion, someone has other opinion and then they're trying to change each others opinions. Overall i think this is not how discussing should work because there's a lot of people who don't want to change their opinions, people who have no experience with LB, people with kinda skill issue (sorry but it's true).
I think you're just wasting your time here and it would be better to spend this time on something more good and important

[modern swan]

Lmao, encourages teamplay

[sharp sierra]

Noone is gonna read it, it's too big at this point. Only concept of this topic that will maybe work is when you're writing one big message with all what you're thinking about LB and just leaving without trying to discuss, at least in this case it would be easy for someone who is responsible for LB in this game to read a lot of opinions and make conclusion himself

[delicate thistle]

Exactly. Give it the little birds gun as well for fun

You can add a third person to pump the guns to control the rate of fire lol

[desert plinth]

This is a feedback channel, not really a place to come to an agreement between individual players. I appreciate the sentiment. If anything this channel should closed for review by someone heavily experienced yes.

[sharp sierra]

this is why i think you should leave one message and leave. It'd be easeir to read and come to one opinion

[delicate thistle]

I think letting people argue here is good because it keeps the arguments out of everywhere else

Source: night map talk in map votes

[cinder light]

yes, please keep this post to feedback rather than saying anyone has skill issue. thank you

[sharp sierra]

my whole point was about other thing but okay 👍

[cinder light]

it's okay, just a reminder :)

@finite terrace y'know, you kind of go against your point of saying someone else is doing something wrong when they say "skill issue" when you clown react people. it's quite ironic, and just makes you look like the one more in the wrong from an outsider perspective.

[lofty igloo]

Ye tell him Austin bbg

[cinder light]

you summoned the moderator, the moderator is moderating as you requested, and now you're mad. || profit?? || i am at a loss for words..

[sharp sierra]

go read this whole topic, maybe you'll understand that we discussed a lot about LB countermeasures, it's balance and a lot of other stuff so maybe you'll understand why thing i can't say is something that exists in reality of bbr

[jade flax]

This guy is insufferable, Jesus

[sharp sierra]

the thing i can't say isn't banned actually, read what austing just pinned.
In serious feedback devs expect us to think about stuff that isn't about thing i can't say but about the game mechanics and balance itself in vacuum

[cinder light]

bai

continue as y'all were

[sharp sierra]

ooof that was harsh ngl

[cinder light]

which part

[sharp sierra]

guy just was reduced to atoms bro...
Well if we talk a little bit more serious that might be the thing i was talking about. Such threads (1k+ messages) are just too long to read and to understand the whole situation doesn't matter if it's about the thing i can't say or not. They just come here, they see we're saying the thing i can't say sometimes and become angry

[jade flax]

That was deserved, that same dude has been antagonizing people and spewing insults in literally every single vehicle feedback thread I’ve seen since the current feedback threads were created.

[sharp sierra]

i still think we need like 1week slowmode here... So you can only throw one big message here and wait/leave. Also it'd be nice to have someone responsible for actually collecting this feedback. Doesn't matter if he's moderator or not, but he'll build something like overall agreement or so

[delicate thistle]

That's pain

[thin pendant]

Who

[jade flax]

Just some guy

[delicate thistle]

Jdam, duh

[livid cairn]

#off-topic message

[jade flax]

You literally sat there and let them fire rockets at you lmao that is entirely your fault

[livid cairn]

Imagine thinking getting blown up by C4 was my point

APCS cant even fire straight

[jade flax]

Then why would you respond to a comment I made about c4 and tandem RPGs?

[livid cairn]

It was the first search hit for "apc nerf" nothing personal

[jade flax]

Man whatever you’re trying to say I wish you good luck going forward because it’s not working right now

[rare cloak]

You really didn't even bother checking context before posting, huh?

[charred trail]

If you don't want buffs or nerfs, what is your proposition then?
It's undeniable that they are underperforming and don't offer good gameplay expirience.

[jade flax]

First off, it absolutely is deniable. Your opinion is entirely subjective.

Second, what I was saying was not “don’t buff these things” but rather “I’m not asking for these buffs or nerfs” because they’re not things I’m asking for. That’s all.

[charred trail]

It is clearly not subjective

[proud oxide]

I challenge anyone to spend over 3 mins alive on Agazor on a weekend day. Its literally impossible. I lasted 13 mins and I literally couldnt last for more than a minuite without coming back to base. it is ridiculous.

I cannot compete, even remotely, on agazor. Minuite I leave base, I have 10 people sniping me, the apc shooting at me along with the tank. I dont see how any pilot who hasnt put in hundreds of hours can last on a full pop 247 server with competant people.

I am venting, but whatver

[lofty igloo]

Fix the windshield bug

The damage reduction and not repairing

[rare delta]

honestly, littlebird doesn't really need the windshield. all it needs is to revert the movement nerfs so you can fly upside down again

even without a windshield, it's pretty fucking hard to take out a mobile pilot by yourself, unless you get a super lucky sniper rifle headshot

if you can't close out the kill they can keep healing with bandages, and eventually scurry back to their base

[jade flax]

I genuinely don’t intend this to be rude but it is literally the definition of subjective.

[severe ravine]

I like where the LB is atm.

[sharp sierra]

never played lb huh ok

[severe ravine]

I have over 4k kills with it.

You just have to play differently with it now, I find it more fun actually.

[thin pendant]

Me I do

I think it’s the play style

But don’t worry I’m not a sniper or vehicle player

[lofty igloo]

@thin pendant People are now focusing little birds and all the nerfs make it even less effective and survivable

[charred trail]

They started right after the nerfs too. It was easy earilier, but now they are propably doing that out of spite

Can't justify otherwise why they didn't do it when it was a problem, but they are doing it when it's not a problem

like, wtf

[lofty igloo]

people

[charred trail]

The whole LB drama is just fueled by spite and malice of skill less people tbh

[lofty igloo]

Let's not start this conversation here

[charred trail]

it is on topic tho

[lofty igloo]

Yes it's on topic but it's not feedback.

[latent bear]

Played in American servers briefly. The groundfire is absolutely noting compared to Oceania lmao. Fellas, you have it lucky.

Despite the harsh nerf I beleive the quality of littlebird pilots is improving again. A lot of people seem to have left but there is a few new ones now.

[deft vigil]

Yeah sure everyone knows that all infantry players banded together and secretely decided to start shooting LB right after the nerfs lol.
Cause there is nothing easier then to coordinate a few thousand people in secret.

Or maybe the LB is now actually hittable because it's not OP anymore.

[modern swan]

More people unlocking the Aug

[hollow gulch]

You'd be correct it's used to be a little known secret that in order to kill a LB you need to in fact shoot at it

[proud oxide]

Reason people started shooting at it more after that update was because the pilots had to be closer to do damage. I'd shoot it if it was within 200m of me, but 500m, thats literally a mile away.

[lofty igloo]

i dont think you know mile to meter conversions just right there man

[proud oxide]

I was rounding

Wait hold up nvm

Was thinking 1600m, idk why i thought 500 m was right

[meager echo]

Can Littlebird / Hermits have their rear tail rotor destroyed?

If not, that would be an easy balance change.

[proud oxide]

Yea, it can be destroyed

[charred trail]

It's hard tho, they are very fast, amd have good acceleratiot. Hit box is also quite small tbh. To destroy rotor you either need to be lucky, littlebird pilot needs to be very bad or stationary

[latent bear]

Yes I've seen it before. It can seeminly only be done with the APC/boat.

[lofty igloo]

it can be also shot out with an rpg but thats only on transport helis which can take an rpg or two

[latent bear]

The transport littlebird will always die/explode from an rpg if it hits the tail rotor.

[lofty igloo]

But ka and hawk wont

It's a 1 in a million shot but it still works

[lofty igloo]

Fix the damn windshield bug, both of them

[severe ravine]

whats the bug ?

[lofty igloo]

Windshield doesn't apply the 50% damage reduction and it sometimes doesn't want to fix so you have to play the whole match with a shot up windshield not being able to see anything

[severe ravine]

Oh I had that happen one time. I just did a hard landing to damage the bird, and it was able to be fixed after that.

[lofty igloo]

Yeah I tried it all, including that but it didn't wanna fix

I even tried switching seats or getting completely out and in lb outside of the repair zone but nothing

[austere salmon]

been a while since I've said this but unarmed littlebirds should have at least some recon ability; something like flares or a ping to nearby infantry would be nice

[austere salmon]

also rotor blades should deal damage lulw

[severe ravine]

Yes road kills in the little bird would be very nice!

[charred trail]

You can do that

You just need to hit a guy with LB body

[austere salmon]

oh fr?

sick

tried using the rotors on a few dudes camping on the stack in valley was so disapointed it didn't work, i'll just aim higher next time 🙂

[latent bear]

SandySunset - CONQ - Added extra armed scout helicopters on main bases.
This devalues contesting the E and B objectives for a littlebird. 2 is already enough if you've ever played Wineparadise conquest.

[charred trail]

Man, they literally suck after the nerf, i didn't seen anyone doing well with them since then. LB is juts a pinata right now

Barely changes a a thing

[lofty igloo]

That's why they're adding more of them, quantity over quality

[charred trail]

To rub salt in to the wounds it seems

[proud oxide]

Ive been doing okay, almost hit 100 on zaif and tensa

Just either get blown up or i crash.

Ive been trying so hard for like 2 weeks to break 100 on any map besides waki or aga

[keen jackal]

Politely fuck quantity over quality; Quantity will dilute the game and you just get two good LB on one team, they won't be able to do anything but sit in spawn. One little bird that can take a single heat rocket is all I ask, tired of getting sneezed on and killed. especially by the squad of m2's waiting for me xD (more of a rant to be fair). The tips i have are to fly high but the server just melts you now a days cause we gave em ptsd during those first months.

Also where tf is our Armed little Bird kill leaderboard?

i know im pushing 7k soon

[teal cove]

Has anyone noticed that on some maps the lilbirdo feels slower than on others? For example, on map Valley lb is slower than on map Lonovo. Or am I just crazy?

[abstract skiff]

different size 🤷

like the maps are differently sized and thus flying on them feels different

[teal cove]

idk feels like it also have more hp

maybe i am realy crazy

[keen jackal]

To be fair lonovo is more of a night map making the LB harder to spot and take down compared to valley where its day and they also have two blackhawks on both sides.

[abstract skiff]

every map can be day or night

[teal cove]

But it feels slower and more hp on Valley. I think i should test it

[charred trail]

When we will see LB buffs? It was overnerfed too much to be even playable LoL.
Maybe add some sort of counter to not make it as obnoxious?

[echo tartan]

Smoke visibility is hard to see and makes it harder to keep track of the littlebird's health as a pilot. I've been finding myself dying and only being able to suddenly see the white smoke at the last minute.

[proud oxide]

It comes with experience, i pay attention more to the vibrations it makes while flying. The more it vibrates less health it has.

Also a good thing to do is reset after a fight, just fly back a little and you can see your health pretty easily

[latent bear]

@proud oxide What servers do you play on? I saw your latest youtube video and it was absolutely nuts! An absolute slaughter. It was like the prepatch LB on sterioids. I feel like I need to put you back in your place with the BLACKHAWK, since you killed so many of my fellow brothers.

[proud oxide]

I play on NA servers

[proud oxide]

Sandy is a really hard map not to die on, so this one suprised me.

[echo tartan]

Maybe I'm just blind but I don't notice vibrations while in a fight - I feel like out of all the vehicles, the littlebird's health indicators are much more discreet than other vehicles. In other vehicles it's more obvious from the driver's POV how much health your vehicle is at such as the tank or LAV (beeping and more visible smoke etc.)

I'm always resetting between fights so that isn't too much of a problem, my main issue is that I like to keep track of the amount of health I have relative to the distance I am away from my base so I can make sure I reserve enough health to take damage while retreating.

[proud oxide]

Yea, when your going forward you cannot see the smoke or flames. What I try to do is go back to base before the flames start. Better to be early than too late. Ive been doing a lot of transport flying recently, and have noticed if you switch cameras you can see the smoke, I havn't tried it out but maybe that will work for you.

Vibrations are really the biggest factor for me, when you get below half health the heli visibly shakes for me

[echo tartan]

Anyone else feel like the moment a stacked blackhawk appears there's nothing you can do about them? The second they're aware of you or if they focus you, it's almost impossible to win the fight or do anything in the game?

Only times I ever beat a stacked blackhawk is if I get the jump on them, but that's not often I get that opportunity

[modern swan]

As an infantryman, I can confirm, the emotional impact of 40 rounds hitting the ground around me scarred me for life.

Absolutely horrific, the grass never stood a chance

[echo tartan]

You mean that most blackhawk gunners or littlebird players have bad aim?

[abstract skiff]

backhawk miniguns can't hit for shit - on top of lacking any stabilization

[echo tartan]

Yeah, those miniguns are pain to aim

[teal cove]

Transport helicopters are only a problem when they abuse the altitude limit ( skyboxing at 200 meters ). In this case, you really can't do anything. But if they don't do this, you should just fly up to them a little from above and from the side. First of all you need to aim and kill the shooter and after that you can literally shred the entire crew. It all depends on how good your aim is

"shred the entire crew" including pilot

Also good advice for pilots: when you win dogfight with another lb by killing the pilot you can steal it to prevent subsequent spawning. If the situation is safe ofc

[echo tartan]

Yeah I basically do that and hope they don't spot me

I've had my moments were I kill all the crew but usually that's ones down low/I'm above. As you said, the ones above you is basically death

Just wish I could do more to counter the ones that target you and have both guns facing you

[proud oxide]

Blackhawks are not to bad, unless the pilot knows what they are doing, then you have to pull shenanigans to win lol

[echo tartan]

Where I live, there's only 2-3 servers you can play on (usually only 1 or 2 being populated at a time) - so it's probably 50/50 (feels like more though) that I get a game with a coordinated blackhawk crew

But yes, winging it is how it usually goes in the littlebird 😅

[dense sleet]

Chopper Mechanics are super broken
People can fly, shoot and aim at the same time
fly backwards with 500% speed
its not possible to shoot them down. Choppers (the small one) need a massive nerf in mobility

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107-5 midgame with the bird.

[teal cove]

Try to fly yourself and you will see that this is not so. If you knew how physics works, you would understand that a helicopter can fly back and forth at the same speed. it's more than possible to shoot him down. Almost all weapons in the game have damage against light armored vehicles, and some instances like the Aug can literally destroy them in a few clips.

[teal cove]

It is normal that transport gives the player an advantage with the right level of skill. Otherwise there would be no point in it

You can also counter a LB with another LB. If you don’t have a decent pilot on your team who is good at dogfights, that’s your team’s problem.

[dense sleet]

The advantage is way too much for that specific vehicle.

I know the physics of helicopters, but the maneuvers you can do with that little thing are beyond possible in any way.

And no, you wont be able to effectivly combat if you have someone to fly at a certain level.

[teal cove]

And Orange one of the best pilots at the moment. I can literally count on my fingers the number of people who are really good at flying.

Learn to shoot from an RPG. Some are very good at this and shoot down helicopters very easily.

[teal cove]

100+ kills games are pretty rare

[echo tartan]

If you get a group of people to shoot at the littlebird, they can easily be shoot it down and counter it

[proud oxide]

Getting over 100 on a large map would literally be a milestone, its so difficult. Getting over 100 on maps like multi islands or eduardovo would probably be a wr in game

Cant just single out one dude for going 107-5 and say its to op. Plus the guy died 5 times, which is a lot in lb standards.

Bc it takes like 5 mins to spawn one everytime you die

[lofty igloo]

People still going about lb being op? Sounds like a skill issue ngl

[hollow gulch]

A tale as old as time

[teal cove]

Are you ready for the next update? A lot of weapons will receive a damage buff against light armored vehicles. Another hidden nerf to LB(

[deft vigil]

Huh? The Aug got its damage reduced from 12 to 6, and 12 was the highest Anti Vehicle damage from an Full-Auto weapon. LB got buffed indirectly

[teal cove]

Looks like I missed this. If this is true then this is really a buff.

[deft vigil]

#dev-wip message

[teal cove]

What the hell? After the update, I've already been blown up in the air twice using c4. Has anyone encountered this? Maybe I was just unlucky with my teammates and they stuck c4 on me two games in a row and someone detonated it with a shot? Or is this some kind of abuse?

[keen jackal]

Can confirm orange is a nerd when it comes to to the heli, along with num numms and LUKE

[proud oxide]

ngl invasion is hardest gamemode to fly heli on'

so many more people just shooting at you

[teal cove]

Unfortunately, what I talked about above turned out to be a really hidden nerf. Now LB feels weaker. Now almost all weapons in the game have damage against light armored vehicles and are quite good. The AUG's damage nerf to light armored vehicles does not help.

Because almost no one used aug

I'll certainly try to play a little more. Maybe not everything is so bad. But the feeling is that now LB is completely dead

[charred trail]

Every weapon had L vehicle dmg. Some weapons just got 1 or 2 more. That's literally nothing

[charred trail]

To he honest, I don't see a reason to have helis on INV. You can spawn right in the fight, can't do looong flanks, playable area is small

The utility of heli is kind of wasted there

Distances are small you can just run everywhere conveniently

[teal cove]

For some weapons this is one and a half times more and sometimes twice as much. But maybe my conclusions are too hasty

[teal cove]

This is just another experimental mode that almost no one will play in a month.

[charred trail]

Yeah, some weapons got like 50% or more. But that's still 6 -8 at max. LB have 600 HP AND is a fast motherfucker

[teal cove]

Not that fast. IMHO

[charred trail]

Man, try hitting this shit with a weapon with less velocity than 700

It needs to be stationary, or like 20m from you

[teal cove]

Perhaps I am only judging from the pilot's perspective. Maybe it's really not that simple hmmm

[proud oxide]

Yea, i only played for an hour or so last night but on how small the play area is and how long it takes for the helicopter to respawn on invasion its kind of useless.

Also, i cant tell whether its because theres so many players shooting at me or its easier to get shot out now.

[modern sorrel]

I just encountered someone flying the littlebird backwards. Flying in the direction of the tail rotor at full speed. Still being able to fly nearly upside down also. This needs to be nerfed

[teal cove]

It's a joke? According to the laws of physics, a helicopter can fly in any direction at full speed. Flying upside down has long been fixed.

[minor thorn]

I think the helicopter mechanics need to be redone. For example, there is something called the wac helicopter add-on in Garry's mod. If you take a look at this system, those who know that I am talking about a system that you will enjoy very much and that you need to make an effort to master will know that please take this suggestion into consideration and try the add-on I mentioned. Garry's If you own the mod, I think Thirpderson should be added because it is not clear whether the helicopter is falling or not, so it is difficult to control while using it. Thirdperson should definitely be added to the helicopter driving angles.

[deft vigil]

Guys could you please list all the Little Bird bugs that are present in the game right now?
Is that correct:
#1152887591054618644 message

[misty imp]

yes, it's true
today i noticed windshields are like non-existent

• they don't even break like they used to when i get shot
• i kept receiving entire damage for the last 24hours (got killed multiple times by 2 DMR shots. while it's usually 3 or 4 depending on how slow i bandage myself)

[teal cove]

The button for free viewing and spinning miniguns should be separated. At the moment you cannot separate them. I think a lot of people need this

Sometimes it feels like the player's hitbox in the helicopter cockpit is larger than it actually is, or at least positioned incorrectly. The same applies to K60/BH. But I haven't tested it so I can't say for sure. These are just my impressions

And perhaps some, like me, would like to be able to adjust the transparency of the interface in a helicopter (and in any other transport too)

[misty imp]

plus the LONG LONG LONG trip back to base then back to action

[modern sorrel]

there needs to be an igla or stinger launcher because the littlebird just flies sideways and does flips making it near impossible to shoot

[proud oxide]

What is it supposed to do, just fly into your rocket?

It already got nerfed so hard on movements like 80% of pilots stopped playing.

[modern sorrel]

whats it supposed to do? be impossible to shoot?

[proud oxide]

rhetorical question

[severe ravine]

@modern sorrel It is not impossible to shoot

[latent bear]

If even 5 people look up at the LB and start shooting it's outgunned completely. Only need to land 1 hit between all five of you for the pilot to be insta dead.

[teal cove]

Try to fly yourself and see how “impossible” it is. I'm willing to bet that you haven't been on a LB for even ten hours.

[lofty igloo]

99% of these people haven't even flown a minute and probably think lshift does something

[misty imp]

are you kidding me? you can't fly like a normal human being with the littlebird otherwise you get instantly rocketed

everything destroys that shit

tanks can take you down with couple of hits while you can't damage it back
RPG can down your little bird with 1 shot because rotor broky
the half damage from cockpit is not working
a single squad can take your down with literal rifle shots

little bird durability is ASS
i would trade 100% accuracy for any extra durability

[ornate crescent]

I dont know which exact heli it is that has 8 people. but you shouldnt be able to RPG from them. any heli for that matter.

Feels so exploity, its extremely difficult to counter since they move so fast

[teal cove]

Oh no now they want to nerf the meme rpg LB.

[proud oxide]

Next thing they will say is helicopters shouldnt be able to fly

[charred trail]

That's reddit from FlyAce drama times lol

But some reditards legit wanted to remove LB, both of them

[proud oxide]

I wouldn't personally.

I've never had anyone shoot out my roater in a littlebird, besides an apc.

[charred trail]

Because those agile motherfucker are impossible to hit, unless you fuck up and hower in place

[proud oxide]

Being accurate is the biggest incentive I see to become better at the lb. Its extremely difficult already. For a blackhawk I can see how durability is an issue, because they move like a bus, but for a littlebird, the durability is not an issue because its agility, as a pilot you have to understand your limits and when to repair. As someone with over 300 hours flying, I still blow up to pushing to hard and dying because of players shooting at me quite often, but that is my fault not a durability issue. If you increase durability a tank will still be able to 1 shot you, an apc will still kill you if they catch you off guard, and im sure a heat rocket will still one shot. The only thing that will take longer to kill us will be gunfire which really isn't a threat if you know your limits. I don't see lowering accuracy as a good trade off at all, no one is a fan of rng.

[teal cove]

Does the interface distract you from aiming? I noticed that when I fly I don't look at the sight at all, I just look where the bullets are flying. Sometimes the interface is annoying

[proud oxide]

Yes, originally it did, I thought that was where the bullets were going to hit. Over time you kind of get used to where they will go.

[lofty igloo]

People need to stop bitching about stuff they have no clue about

[charred trail]

Elaborate

[whole haven]

i would like to see the damage indicators actually work properly, i have been blown up without knowing i was even being shot.

[latent bear]

Rocket Littlebird on Wakistan Infantry conquest

Respawning instead of going to base to get more rockets 👍
Gotta keep up that revive pile while it's still hot

[latent bear]

It's extreamly difficult to counter
I was getting damaged so hard from groundfire that the base health went to about 50% - couldn't repair anymore since the health bar was greyed out. Also got shot out 3 times.

[whole haven]

unless you have a repair engie, most guns can really hurt the little bird, the p90 is lowkey one of the best light vehicle shredder, it deals 8 damage like the g3

[charred trail]

That's more than AR'S lol

And full mag is 2/3 of LB hp

Better AA than APC

[teal cove]

Deagle have 30dmg

Crash lb in 20 shots at any distance

Damage to light armored vehicles is absolutely stupid at the moment, looks like a bad plug instead of a normal AA weapon

[minor thorn]

add thirdperson

[calm moat]

Would the FU sight be considered a ‘little bird’?

[rapid raptor]

mmm, whats this, no hermit military armed here...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=whIcu6nQcIw

[vapid igloo]

Please remove squad spawning from helicopters. Im really tired of them yolo dropping 5 guys off at a flag then the helicopter fucks off for 30 seconds then everyone that died getting off the heli re spawns on it gets to go back the flag to fight again 15 seconds after they die when you are basically out of it if you die to them and need to spawn somewhere else.
Also add a reasonable delay so people cant just spawn on a guy after he drops on the ground..

[modern swan]

Noooo, then I have no way to get back on my gunship when I get shot off with an M249
Actually, you do make a fair point... hmm

[keen jackal]

Purley my opinion but I believe Heli's should do a little more damage to troops, 6 shots can be a little crazy sometimes altho I can understand it. I don't know how much damage it does right now but I believe just a a couple more points in damage woul do it great justice

[jade flax]

It’ll do something but I don’t know if I’d call it justice

[keen jackal]

I mean just finding the sweet spot would be nice

I dont wanna click and kill but sometimes 6 bullets is crazy and they still aint dead

[severe ravine]

I don't know, the lb still kills very fast, if you can keep it on target.

[hollow gulch]

I remember when i thought this thread meant that they would implement stuff in game

[surreal cargo]

as a warthunder player this thing makes nam seem like a nature hike

[hollow gulch]

what a throwback

[whole haven]

nero?

[viral gull]

ay real shit the armed bird should have at least 1000 less bullets to shoot. I find myself often staying out in the field for LENGTHY amounts of time pestering people because I know what fights to pick and how to manage my vehicles health. People who are skilled with the littlebird are essentially a one man army with flyhacks and a 3000 round mag weapon. Less ammo = more time spent flying back to base. This change wouldn't have a major impact on less skilled pilots as they are still learning how to maneuver & aim, but for the more skilled pilots they would have to manage their ammo count and spend more time flying back to base to resupply

I'd also argue their should be some sort of overheat or reload mechanic. I feel a little guilty being able to just hold down left click and mow down 10+ people. But in doing so the littlebird would become pretty useless against blackhawks so idk ay. Definitely should nerf the ammo count tho fr fr

[whole haven]

Brrrrrrrrrerrrrrrreerrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[maiden yarrow]

Please revert the negative collective massive nerf. It was the thing that made flying the little bird feel unique in this game.
After this change the LB is way more vulnerable to APC/IFV and RPG since you can't keep your airtime during a long range engagement/strafe and the loss of manoeuvreability makes it harder to dodge small arms.
I thought the operation overhaul playtest wouldn't mess with the vehicles, only infantry, maps, UI and graphics. Why was the LB ruined?

[viral gull]

Yeah I wanted the littlebird to recieve a small movement nerf but this seems a bit harsh 🙁