Sniper Rifles (General) - Feedback

[still flume]

😊

ppl call me the 4th dev

[nocturne smelt]

It's funny cuz you're in here saying that other people are killing the game

Why aren't you saving it then?

[somber bridge]

Stay on topic guys, this is about Sniper Rifles, not the game dying/surviving etc.

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i do everything i can

[inner sky]

Long distance pew pew

[nocturne smelt]

Bro read the last like two weeks of this channel it's too late to start moderating this one lmao

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wise picture was needed

flarson are you aint checking this channel?

im on duty here

[nocturne smelt]

Everyone agreed like a week ago that we were renaming this channel "Bring back unlimited mines" anyway

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shh we well talk when police will leave

[reef hatch]

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🥀
🫴

[torpid trout]

I'd rather they banned you from the thread instead

[still flume]

my job is done here

use my takes as heritage

[hearty crow]

Before the med scope glint you would get killed by people you literally could not see with no counter play
you seem to be a fan of the phrase "skill issue" maybe take your own advice instead of needing the game to hold your hand and give you a heads up. like boo hoo you might have to check for other snipers manually instead of having a white glow pop up to save your sorry butt. seems like you have a bias against getting counter sniped and anything that helps you avoid it you are in favor of

[hearty crow]

pfff forget what i said this comment wins the day for me 🤣

anyways i guess my issue is you seem to be looking at things from a strictly how it effected you personally.
you like med scope buff cause you get tunnel vision on inf and aren't aware when some other sniper is gunning for you and can be alerted when someone is trying to take you out with their glint
i am fine with med scopes having a trail as punishment as i'd rather be punished for missed shots or biting off more then i can chew then glint giving everyone a heads up just by ADSing

and yeah med scopes have done 500+ but i guess you didn't read when i posted how hard and inconstant that can be. i have landed 1k+ shots with med scopes but only on glint and 500m+ is a crap shoot as even 20m can throw off a headshot easy as you can only round to the nearest 100 and the person's head is way smaller then your cursor

med scope were kind of necessary to keep long scopes in check as with positioning and using sandbags the only way to attack them at range is going to be head on where they will have an advantage either cause they can 1 tap or better optics to line up the shot

like sure some poor soul might get fed up enough to try and run up behind them and shoot them in the back, but that is a waste of their time that could be better spent else where

med scope consist kill range is 100 ~ 300m with 400m kind of pushing it and 500 starts becoming a crap shoot. the only popping glint of other snipers even makes 800+ possible

[atomic hill]

Do you have film grain up, I feel it let's you see more clearly at range with med scopes.

[hearty crow]

i can see peeps fine at 600m, but its not a matter of seeing. i can spot people at the same range without zooming for crying out loud

its the models are smaller then my scope + and you can only round up to the nearest 100 on zeroing and even 10m can make my shot land short and hit the body instead of the head

you'd get more consistent kills at that range with long range scope

[nocturne smelt]

I use med scopes

[hearty crow]

well i guess we shouldn't make wild assuptions about each other then 🤷‍♂️

[honest lintel]

why the hell did I get pinged?

[sonic anchor]

🍿

[honest lintel]

kat indeed

[static merlin]

1000 kills over 500meters is faster than lvl 150 according to Oki accordingly

[hearty crow]

you mean fastest way to level up to lvl 150?

not surprised. range, headshot, and kill target on objective bonus can really add up

[static merlin]

Check the upcoming update

The new way to unlock things will be applied not only to cosmetics but also to gameplay elements.

The best example would be;

• **The sniper class, which currently can unlock ranger armor that gives extra ammunition at level 150 only. For a sniper player, that would take a very long time, so with the new update, they will be able to unlock an alternative armor by completing a few tasks:
make 1000 kills above 500 meters + destroy 50 gadgets.**

• The support class will be able to unlock ranger armor and regular armor by completing support-related tasks.

This system will allow players to evolve and progress in a new way and unlock what they wish. More classes in the future will get their own unique tasks to complete.
Additionally, wearable items unlocked by tasks will remain unlocked after prestige.

@hearty crow

Classic Oki

[hearty crow]

Support gets Ranger armor

[static merlin]

Im hoping he made a mistake and wanted to type 100 kills or just using it as an example

He’s just using it as an example right?

[hearty crow]

unironically 50 gadgets might be harder

though 1k kills at 500m+ and 50 gadget kills might be easier to level to 150

but its permant unlike level unlocks

when prestiging

[static merlin]

1k kills at 500 m is gonna take a long damn time

[hearty crow]

yup

safe zone sniping here i come

[still flume]

150 lvl is much easier than 1k kills above 500m

oki should also account that 500m+ snipers getting 10kill per game in average

useless addition that wont help anyone

best snipers like me wont even ever get it lol which doesnt make any sense

[hearty crow]

""sniper""

[still flume]

this task sounds like oki asking me to dont play the game

and sit in the border of the map

why not just remove snipers from the game

border sniping is shittest gamedesign ever existed

[hearty crow]

i don't think running around with sniper like its an smg qualifies as sniping but what ever

[still flume]

if oki actually following it instead of making something cool he should just delete snipers instead

[still flume]

99% of encounters (or should i say shots that wont fired with praying) is below 50m, sniper effective at 50m-300m, 500 is just rare enemy spot and why not but not something that actual design

this game have much lower encouner range than battlefied and like, due to insane recoils and slow ass ttk

that should be always considered

[hearty crow]

well yeah med scope glint sure does push peeps into either 1 of 2 camps

either under 200m or over 400m

[still flume]

ofc ppl will talk about IRL bullshit but snipers in games is always low range

and battlebit is lowest effective sniper range in big map fps games ive seen

from tarkov to bf4

warzone

etc

obv due to that you are fully save on 100m which on games i named is usual encouner distance

i remember running my legenday x4 aug build and it was working only because of that

that was the way of feeling how low range this game is

couple of more meters afer 50 and nobody even trying to spray you even if they see you

[hearty crow]

i guess i'm an acception to that rule

[still flume]

no you are just not skipped enough to feel that

try running ULTIMAX x4 build which kinda aug 2.0

[formal lynx]

I’m all for the idea, especially since this makes the unlocks permanent through prestige. I do agree that 1000 kills over 500 meters is absolutely ridiculous, if we’re being generous and say you get 10 kills at 500m when you’re really good and actively trying (like matoi suggested) , that’s still 100 games which can take upward of 30 minutes, matching out at 50 HOURS of sniper gameplay

[hearty crow]

that was fun

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with rangefinder because im bored that most of you cant even know shit about distance you talk about

and you will see

ppl ignore you while you can clearly see them

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of only sniper and only big maps*

will take around 100h prob

which most of the ppl doesnt even have in any game

[hearty crow]

bipod m249 is fun to use at 100m

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(check avg casual playtime)

[formal lynx]

When a random piece of equipment takes longer to farm than mastery camo

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takes 30 hours to prestige for me

good job oki you still bald

[hearty crow]

oh and i thought my 600 hours in this game was short

[sonic anchor]

🍿

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also if its created for me, im wont ever get it
if its created for long range cringelords, they doesnt even sniffed the enemy gadget in their life
its the miracle of they even know about chaning armour actually, because statisticaly long range snipers is lowest iq players

[sonic anchor]

is bro still yapping in barely legible english?

[hearty crow]

yuuuuuup

[sonic anchor]

4 days in a row now?

[hearty crow]

think its been longer then that

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2 weeks

[sonic anchor]

damn

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oki sharting in my optional class

go do something with medics idk nobody cares about them anymore

make them able to use only secondary or something

medics heal not hurt

wait oki also said that was best examples lmfao

i wonder what is worst examples

[formal lynx]

Medics are riflemen first, healers second

That’s the case with any modern military

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🤓 👍

[formal lynx]

This isn’t a game where the holy trifecta of mmo applies

So saying “meeeh medics are supposed to be healing it’s their joooob” is a moot point

[hearty crow]

wow only 4 other peeps using snipers on the other team when doing sunnysunset in a 128 v 128

[red sun]

medics havent been pacifists since the time of swords and shield. they are infantry to with more work and moderatly better pay.

[still flume]

noobs aint get the irony

[red sun]

you dont know how to use irony, blaming everyone else for the fact you cant communicate worth a damn really shows just how much youve grown past the age of 8, which is not at all

[vital crown]

Can you elaborate on this statement?

[vital crown]

I'm confused about the medic stuff.

[still flume]

the irony is oki fucked up medics and now he targeting snipers

[red sun]

How did he fuck up medics? They have never ever been in a bad state

This is why no one respects you

[sonic anchor]

they are now

they're just worse assault with infinite healing

their team support capabilities need huge buffs

[red sun]

They really arnt and you pretending they are is just the funniest comedy act you could do

[red sun]

Ah yes they are worse than the best combat class with the most OP mechanic as compensation.

[formal lynx]

A mechanic that is made nigh obsolete with recent bandage changes.

[sonic anchor]

yes assault is very good, but what the heck do you expect lmao
medic needs buffs to the healing it can provide.

[red sun]

It really really doesn’t, and actually needs additional nerfs.

Like removing its c4

[formal lynx]

…now I’m just curious how you even come to that conclusion

[sonic anchor]

bro do you play the game 😭

[red sun]

Daily, do yall?

[sonic anchor]

what crack are you smoking i need it too

[red sun]

In what world does double revive speed, infinite healing, long range smoke grenades, and one of the fastest movement speeds weak. Yes it is weaker then day one, where it was undeniably broken and you were actively throwing when you did not choose it

[sonic anchor]

bro

it is worse than assault.

in assaulting

but

[red sun]

There is literally no problem the medic can’t solve.

[red sun]

Ah yes, it’s beat by one class in only one role. Really convincing in your argument on how it’s weak

[sonic anchor]

the thing it should do - being a medic - it does barely better than assault

and every other class for that matter

except for sniper lmao

[red sun]

It literally isn’t, you just don’t do your job often enough to notice

[formal lynx]

Revive speed is a non argument, the bandage changes apply to other classes reviving too, medic isn’t double speed anymore, only somewhat faster.
If smoke was actually useful I’d agree.
You can have a “more-than-needed” supply of bandages as assault or support, or simply finding an ammo crate of any kind near you.
Medic goes ZOOOM

[red sun]

“If smoke was actually useful” oh so your just shit at the game, my bad for taking you seriously

[sonic anchor]

i haven't played medic ever since assault became the actual assault
and even before i've been an assault main, i know how these two were and are related

[formal lynx]

No because I just… wait out enemy smokes.

[red sun]

So you don’t play the class gotcha

[formal lynx]

Also, nice ad hominem

[red sun]

Thanks for the free point then?

[formal lynx]

I’d rather wait and lose the point at a chance to have a shot than try to do anything around the smoke and die horribly.

That’s just me though

[sonic anchor]

nope, because i now have smgs on assault lol

[red sun]

y’all using not using smokes is why reason why you think recon has problems

[formal lynx]

Recon has problems in the sense it’s getting nerfed to the floor

That’s the problems it has

[red sun]

And the reason why it’s getting Nerf in the floors because people don’t use smokes and they think it’s OP

[formal lynx]

How far does smoke even render anyway

I feel like I’ve never seen smoke from further than 200m, but I don’t exactly pay attention

Just a genuine question because I don’t actually know

[red sun]

I don’t think it has a limit

[formal lynx]

Think so too, I’ll pay a bit of attention to it next I play

Though if there is one, it’s proper silly

[red sun]

If it has a limit then, yeah, medic is weaker but the smoker date launcher helps so freaking much

[formal lynx]

Meeeeeeeh I dunno, sure it can delay an assault temporarily, but with how fast this game goes, how much impact does it really have? Cuz I tried using it, but I just found myself preferring other gadgets

[red sun]

That’s because you were trying to use it to delay in assault and not start one between a flash grenade and a smoke grenade. It’s so easy to take a point with an SMG it’s not even funny.

ok so from testing it already, I know the distance smoke is visible is +500 meters, gunna see if i cant get a chopper and test further distances cause i can only move so quick

aka, you really need to equip smoke if snipers cause you to rage

im actually going to need help testing it, the fog of war kicks in before the smoke despawns so ill need a sniper with a rifle to test it further

[red sun]

if you read above you will see smoke range directly relates to how smoke counters long range rifles. its almost like discussion of a counter to the topic of discussion is relevant to the balance of said weapon 🤯

[formal lynx]

They don’t, because at the end of the day I just go “damn, guess he got me”

A mindset a majority of this player base could really use

[red sun]

then your not the one being targeted by said statement

if the shoe doesnt fit dont try to force it

[formal lynx]

But what if I really like the shoe?

(People wanting to be contrarian)

[red sun]

idk ive never thought this would happen

[atomic hill]

Giving medics smoke launcher as a default additional gadget would legit reduce hate against snipers imo.

I'm thinking about making the drone have 2 launchable smokes as a suggestion (maybe support boxes can rearm them). Want to get people's thoughts here first.

[red sun]

they do already have one no? or do you mean put it with the medpack instead

[atomic hill]

I mean it wouldn't take up a gadget slot, every medic would have one. They could hold it with the medpack and right click smokes.

It would get them to use it for sure.

[red sun]

naw see i think that is way too strong

only real reason you dont see it more often is cause c4 is broken

why bring more smoke when you can delete a tank solo for free

[eager osprey]

^

C4 should've been nerfed months ago

[red sun]

should have been removed day one but yet here we are

[atomic hill]

I think they would just run mines or something if they ever nerfed c4, I don't think many will use the launcher.

[red sun]

ok then they would be shooting themselves in the foot

mines and claymores cant kill vehicles, c4 can

[atomic hill]

Then recon should be able to smoke for them via drone.

So many players don't understand map control, they just get sniped or caught in a choke and become jokerfied. "Why did our brain dead push fail, must be our snipers."🤦‍♂️

[still flume]

maps full of smokes is trash design too

snipers became much more powerful and now much more smokes is used and its complete dogshit experience

fuck you battlebot

only noobs that still live in the 2023 summer or heal farm boys play medic nowdays, literally 0 befeits over assault, that also have launcher you want, go and take it

you wrote 4 messages that involves big logic process but i already catched you on failing basic ones, how we gonna trust your future takes (whats even the point of their existance) if you cant calculate the basics? the question i ask 99% of the time in this chat

[red sun]

See now you know your opinions bad since Matoi agrees with it

[still flume]

Giving medics smoke launcher<
4 mistakes in 4 words

1. thinking that medics are still dominating in class selection
2. thinking that full map of smokes is great idea
3. thinking that ppl will actually always run that smoke launcher, when they already aint, because everyone playing assault and doesnt taking it/using it
4. thinking that somehow it will fix current sniper drama

[steady mist]

Broken clocks and all that

[still flume]

good one, if only i was agreeing

[still flume]

avg battlebit community quality feedback check

[red sun]

Medics are very much still a top pick unless challenges exist to force into their roles, smoke launchers already exists of medic, but is overshadowed by c4. Point 3 is just asserting something (while actively being wrong) 4) it would if they revert nerfs because having counters is good actually.

[steady mist]

Top pick? Are you ok?

It's like

Fine

[red sun]

Do yall just play a different game or do I just find the only squads using brains

[steady mist]

Yeah I think everyone else here actually wins

[still flume]

Medics are very much still a top pick
after this words you should stop talking because no point, nothing useful gonna came out when its already so bad from a beginning

[red sun]

The only time I see medics being not used as the most picked classes are vehicle squads, or weeks like this one where two classes have challenges forcing people out of it

[steady mist]

Oh people definitely still use it

[still flume]

l2p

[steady mist]

But that's not what top pick means lmao

[red sun]

Ah fuck I gotta shoot myself now since he’s finally agreeing with me

[red sun]

I’m curious to your definition then

[still flume]

even if more ppl use it it doesnt mean that its a top pick btw, hot take
ppl can be dumb, you are the proof

[steady mist]

The pick that actually lets you top boards

[red sun]

If most picked or most useful pick doesn’t count

[steady mist]

Top winrate

Dude

[still flume]

but i dont even see medics in high tab anymore

full of supports and assaults

[steady mist]

The only thing you get with medic is a 30% faster revive

That's your exclusive bonus

[red sun]

Revives win games so it being 30% faster is a massive bonus

[steady mist]

It used to be 50%

[still flume]

ofc some medics but only because heal farm

[red sun]

If top pick just means getting most kills then yes

But most medic is far more impactful and useful

[steady mist]

Ah, you're part of the free kill cluster

[still flume]

whole game about it but who cares

[steady mist]

That makes sense

Yeah keep playing medic man you're doing great

Keep that horde up

[red sun]

Right that’s why it’s team deathmatch and there is never an objective

[still flume]

every battlefield game is about chaos meat grinder, else is fetishes.

[still flume]

objective is instrument and PoI if you know such terminology

[red sun]

Don’t worry we will, and while you get 3 kills and die on point I’ll reverse everything you did and actually take the obj

[steady mist]

I'm sure you will buddy

[still flume]

thanks for the impact top picker

i kill you heal

worst class in game that exist with only 1 purpose of revive farm

also known as top pick

[steady mist]

It's ok they have C

[still flume]

sit down button?

[steady mist]

They lost everything else but they have C so they basically won

Objective

[still flume]

subjective usually

but thanks for contribution of at least some objectiveness in this chat also known as matoi

[red sun]

It’s ok Diego, I’m sure you’ll figure out how team games work eventually

[steady mist]

He's clinically insane but you're actually the reason we lose matches

Get out of the cluster and play actual objectives

[still flume]

tell him that in first actually good gamemode named invasion revives doesnt matter

[steady mist]

Instead of sitting on one point in some tug of war for 15 tickets a minute

[still flume]

and i think invasion should be the only gamemode for 256 because its simply best

[red sun]

It’s cute you think the only way a medic gets use is if they are for some reason never moving despite having the fastest movement

[still flume]

and after that change that will make game instantly better

medics gonna became even more useless

i even think that further

[balmy cargo]

Epic topic derailment but Assault > Medic from the increased ADS speed passive alone. While there's an argument to be made for medic rezzing your whole team, that becomes mute when your team is good enough to not need to be rezzed in the first place.

All the perks of medic basically seeped into every other class. Increased bandage speed. Self heal bandaging. Quicker revives. More bandages. Etc.

[red sun]

See heres the thing, on paper, for these very reasons, it would be true. but that last part is WHY medic is better, because you will never have a team Good enough for that.

the biggest reason medic is good actually directly corrolates with the intellegence of the average battlebit enjoyer

thank you matoi for your contrabution to my classes supremeacy

[balmy cargo]

I'm of the opinion that Medics who rez players that make horrible plays only contributes to their low intelligence. :x

[nocturne smelt]

calls other people dumb

misspells contribution in the next sentence

[still flume]

call me when you gonna get 1/3 of kills i do on assault

[red sun]

i dont need them to get gud, I need their body to cap the point

[red sun]

oh no! the only measure of intelligence, spelling of the dumbest language rules on earth

[balmy cargo]

I mean like. It's basic math. Killing is the best form of healing. Why even need a medic? Kill the thing that's causing you to lose health/die.

[still flume]

i can do same on medic ofc but there is just no point to play me dick

[red sun]

killing the enemy off the point doenst make the point go faster, rezzing little timmy however, does

[balmy cargo]

And like every class has, what? 5 bandages now? That's already so many rez without any ammo refills.

[still flume]

6 + 3 from assault pack

[red sun]

if you think 5 bandages is enough for yourself and rezing teammates, yall must not be living very long

[balmy cargo]

9 holy moly

[still flume]

half of what medic have

[balmy cargo]

why am I playing medic again?

[still flume]

imagone

[still flume]

idk you bad at killin and farming points

the only reason

[red sun]

to win games would be my guess

[still flume]

is this guy really think that 200 revives do same impact as 200 kills

[red sun]

medic has 20 by defualt

[balmy cargo]

Or you could kill the people killing your team and not have to use 100 bandages

[red sun]

i mean we can talk in circles all day i guess, but killing people off the point doesnt cap the one your own or prevent the cap

[steady mist]

Nooo medic revives 30% faster so ur contribution is useless or smthn

[still flume]

should we start talking about that most revives happens on meat grinder where everyone dying billion times in a row and doesnt change shit except being low hp meat ready to die another time

[balmy cargo]

"Thanks for rezzing me, here watch me do a backflip off of a cliff!"

Damn good bandage use

[steady mist]

Fuck it we should nerf medic just bc it'd be hilarioud

[balmy cargo]

he learned a lot from his death

[red sun]

oh shit he misspelled something guys that means hes dumb af/j

[steady mist]

Pls nerf medic even more I want to see this super cool team play that comes from that

[still flume]

look ma i revived 5 ppl
"sound of 10 HE bouncing nearby"

[balmy cargo]

I thought an enemy being afk on point does at least slow down the point cap and constantly applies pressure even after you capped it

[sonic anchor]

🍿

[red sun]

reading hard

[balmy cargo]

But I literally do that when I'm bored. I go near an enemy point and barricade myself and go afk.

Did they change it?

Because that's permanent pressure

[red sun]

no im just making a joke

[balmy cargo]

oh lol

[red sun]

afking in point prevents them spawning

[still flume]

all of that meat that fight eachother is least impact on the game possible, casuals just spam each other with bullets nades and revives, and only pro flanks change the day, w.o pros some of the meat grinders would be run forever prob lmao

[red sun]

which is infurating on offense, objectively funny on defense*

[balmy cargo]

Cool, wanted to confirm. Thought I was taking crazy pills

[balmy cargo]

Agreed. I've had some funny funny people hunting me down

[still flume]

most part of impact from revive is that enemies can revive too, and if we wont have any, thats gonna create a diff

nothing more kinda

[red sun]

ah so this is how youve deluded yourself into assuming your good

[still flume]

nah its just how it works

check any replay

[red sun]

ah yes, the best metric of skill, highlight reals

this just in, recon is most op, source, all the 360 frag videos

[still flume]

who said about kills

the guy flanked and won the big battle

team took the spot or point

and thats how you win the war

[red sun]

we dont need to know what your wet dream is matoi

[red sun]

unless you are getting 10+ kills a flank a medic can undo all of that.

[still flume]

only pros creating a diff with their kills, else is just static bots that here is for creating story line

[red sun]

you really do think your the main character huh

[still flume]

medic can never undo my flanks even with 5 kills

because there is no one reviving that

most of the revives is in meat grinder.

[red sun]

lmao its adorable you think that

[still flume]

where like 20 ppl sit in each other

[red sun]

this just confirms my theory, matoi has no friends he plays with

[still flume]

think about it like about scripted bots that fight each other but nobody win until main char comes in, yea thats works same way

[balmy cargo]

We're all npc's living in Matoi's world

just accept it

[red sun]

think about it like objectively funny delusion, like if you said this irl you would be going to a mental facility

[still flume]

you think that your 5 revives on meat grinder worth my 5 flank kill but thats complete lacking skill of understanding how matches work

that 5 guys i killed was having important spot

which after being broken, brakes full defence no matter what

[red sun]

and they still have it while your lying on the ground after you had to reload and there was more people then you could kill.

[still flume]

my team will come out and spray your 20 bozos you was keeping and healing

obv you would lose much faster if you wouldnt revive at all

[red sun]

your on a flank, if you have more people, your not flanking.

your an npc pushing with a team

[still flume]

but the actual diff is created behind the scene

[red sun]

yeah by the support staff, also known as medics and supports

[still flume]

lol

the most scene characters are considered shadow diff makers by this guy

[red sun]

thanks for the complemint matoi! nothing better then getting the biggest clown to laugh.

[still flume]

what the wet dream you live in

im wont shit on you because you cant kill and go for revives only thinking that its insane impact

[red sun]

"the most googglly mooglly moglins are considered the uber poggers mlg metapilled according to this guy" see i can just make shit up too!

[still flume]

thats just preferance

but dont try going into my world of diff makers

[red sun]

its ok, you couldnt shit on anyone remember? weve been begging for proof for about a month now, but yet you still cant do so!

[still flume]

stay at your casual house

you can do a funny test btw which will break your wet dream

[red sun]

is it casual to understand class roles and how they impact games? the only causual here is you mate, everyone else has put mild thought behind your opinions, but that seems beyond your reach

[still flume]

which is useless if you have brain but im always know the ways of prooves

you can have a game where you reviving everyone, then switch teams before the win and see how much diff you would create

such players as me sometimes doing that, getting 0:0 game at the end

because we can fully control full match lmao

[red sun]

ah yes, engrish

[still flume]

esp if there is a couple of us

[red sun]

it would do the exact same all your kill did, which is nothing.

[still flume]

you just carry 1 team, pubstomp, then join other one, to make it fair

and you know that its works

will it work for team of 3 reviving guys?

hell naaaaaah lmaoooo

[red sun]

do you even like read what you write or is it always just chronic word dump 24/7

[still flume]

and to what conclusion we came by that?

its on you to do 2+2

impact creator

[red sun]

its like arguing with a chicken, no matter if you win or loose, the chicken just shits itself and pretends it won

[still flume]

you will delay the lose for couple of mins at best, comeback is not even a dream

[still flume]

im stomped your opinion by IRL experiment example

researches of which you can find on battlebit montages

the only part of puzzle you need is try do it in your stype with other 2 medics

[red sun]

sure you did bud, sure you did. did you also buy ocean front property in kansas

[still flume]

which is no point because its so fucking obvious that its not even near in terms of impact

[still flume]

while 90% of what you was saying is useless water

[red sun]

water does look useless when you only see shit.

[still flume]

look there is even a difference in argumentation

where is your arguments then?

statistics?

im bringed you some

the pubstomp mechanic

[red sun]

oh you did?

where?

[still flume]

.

all known one when one squad control whole lobby

was here even before bf3

[red sun]

oh see, anecdotes arnt stats and not proof, but i get you think they are because your the main character

[still flume]

are you was in this world before bf3 even?

sorry changing topics

[still flume]

look at your take again

you just sharted and nothing else

and you say that im shitting myself

most of your messages is all about me not even the thing we talk about

[amber pelican]

what fucking stleath with a fucking vap9ing trail linger in the air for 3 second you can still see the trail from your first shot as you fire a second shot on any of the snipers in the game with bolt E. What part of STEALTH is it that you people dont get!?

[nocturne smelt]

I was talking about before the giant line that tells everyone where you are

You could still be reasonably stealthy with med scope glint (harder, obviously) but with the line there's no more stealth

[still flume]

i proofed you that couple of ppl can control whole lobby by brute force (that doesnt even need proof everyone knows that), now you should proof me that medics can do at by cute force, spoiler they wont, but you can try

and that will easily name the winner of arguing

if you are unable to see it by simple facts

[nocturne smelt]

I always do it by cute force

[red sun]

the only person that won here is the dude that shot himself the moment you joined

how i envy that man for not having the burden of meeting you

[still flume]

another pair of pants to washing machine

[red sun]

i genually wonder what your first language is and how old you are

my guess is russian and 17

[amber pelican]

100 hours is tutorial level of playing a game

[amber pelican]

and that is exactly why the trails made me stop playing the recon class. i prefer stealth. Now i can just go eng or assult and be a far more effective mid range fighter with a long silencer on m110. But oh well i got 107 hours out of the recon class before the trails

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah they killed the playstyle that many recons loved

[summer latch]

If this keeps going off-topic, I'm just gonna lock it, and be done with it

[nocturne smelt]

Can you rename it Bring Back Unlimited Mines

[summer latch]

No

[red sun]

Might as well, y’all arnt reading any of this anyway

[amber pelican]

what exactly is offtopic when we talk about how trails affect sniper rifles? ignoring Matois solo peformance that is

[nocturne smelt]

If this thread gets locked let's all agree to meet in the Recon channel

[summer latch]

Everything about recon & medic class..

This is about Sniper Rifles, the actual weapon

[red sun]

Ok maybe I just too ducking stupid, but how is recon off topic when it’s literally the only class that can pick it, and weapon balance is part of class balance.

[amber pelican]

I have no problem switching the discussion to the actual weapons as they are plenty of changes that could be made there.

[summer latch]

Well.. If only there was somewhere to talk about the Recon class.. https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1138399620570038365

[red sun]

Like weapon balance is not just raw info, it’s how it fits into the game and it’s role, if this is not a consideration in discussions of weapon balance then that explains a lot

Ok then individual weapons don’t need these channels, as ignoring issues with the class that effects the weapon balance means we are going to have next to nothing to discuss.

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah the discussion, besides our leader and the official 4th dev @still flume taking us wildly off topic, is mostly around how the huge nerfs to sniper rifles affect the game

[amber pelican]

intresting cheytac is not listing muzzle velocity on the intervention

[summer latch]

and as for Matoi - https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1133102331274203187

[red sun]

But clearly my line of thinking is not wanted here. No big picture, only small individual changes that matter about as much as the price of tea on mars,

[still flume]

i prefer #1133102456998469682

[nocturne smelt]

Recon is pretty much synonymous with sniper because there's no reason to take any other weapon on this class anyway

[summer latch]

Then use it, Matoi

[amber pelican]

hum does anyone know if muzzle velocity in game is listed as ft/s or m/s?

[summer latch]

I get that, but the constant arguing over Medic/Recon isn't what this thread is about

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah I mean this particular thread goes wildly off topic more than most probably because a lot of people come in here really upset by the changes

[still flume]

look you called police now we gonna have investigations

[red sun]

tbf it did start off as how smoke and the smoke launcher on medic counters the sniper rifles, then was distracted cause medic bad

[summer latch]

I understand, but, that no longer helps us, when we want actual info, when there's people whining & complaining for class balances, and bragging about how they do better on another class

[still flume]

😎

[red sun]

I guess idk what would be helpful to yall then, because it sounds like all you want is hard numbers and bugs, and not how these fit into balance

[amber pelican]

ehhh the intervention ingame has a velocity of 1400 (no ft/s or m/s) its muzzle velocity should be 914 m/s might be one of the reasons people feel snipers have no drop

[still flume]

oki cant work with feedback at all, all i see ppl shart in feedback random thoughts and oki listen some

[red sun]

then leave

[still flume]

surrender is your preferance

[amber pelican]

it took you all less then 2 min to go offtopic 🤨

[still flume]

im was here from first test and im gonna be here when game gonna die (soon with yall contribution)

[red sun]

you are actively being told to come back to the topic

[summer latch]

Well, then stop doing that, I see a lot of things, that has nothing to do with the topic in here

[red sun]

gunna be real, 90% of the derailment comes from matoi and invis

[still flume]

thats called wise explaination

so oki can understant not only what but also why

lmao poor invis with his 3%

[red sun]

speak of the devil and he shall appear.

[vital crown]

I like how this clown name drops me even though I've been barely present for the past few days.

[still flume]

we got a wrong one, this have a purple nickname

[vital crown]

How snipers should be balanced are dependant on the rest of the sandbox.

If everything is broken, nothing is.

[amber pelican]

so you think the current velocity levels are fine in the long run?

[vital crown]

What are you referring to specifically?

[red sun]

ok i have a genuine question, but is the drop not set to 1g?

[red sun]

think he means bullet drop and speed of bullet?

[vital crown]

Yeah, but which weapons/class?

Or is he just speaking in general?

[red sun]

on snipers not allowed anything else in here

[vital crown]

I'm just making sure.

[amber pelican]

an easy example is the m200 currently it has a velocity ingame of 1400 with no unit at all(no ft/s nor m/s) the real weapon has a muzzle velocity of 914 m/s or 3000 ft/s

[vital crown]

It depends on the overall vision of the devs balance-wise.

If we're talking about legacy balance, then I think it's fine. In a world where damage drop-off isn't really a thing, the high velocity in snipers give it a reason and a natural niche to use it over other weapon types.

[amber pelican]

gravity should be 9.8 m/s2 but bf4 messed that up on a single sniper rifles so i have no clue how oki programmed it

[vital crown]

It having to lead less due to high velocity isn't inherently problematic in my opinion.

[amber pelican]

plenty of people claiming snipers is skillless and just point and click adventures would disagree. I for one think Oki can change the stats on snipers a bit and make shown stats actually work as they said they do

[vital crown]

Higher velocities mean less skill needed, but I'm thinking more in terms of balance and purpose.

I personally don't have a strong opinion towards sniper bullet velocities; if you think they should be fine-tuned, then go ahead and suggest.

[amber pelican]

have you looked at the real bolt action speed? the rem700 sure as hell does not differ to much from the m200 there for example or how control seems to do next to nothing on any scope below x15

[vital crown]

No, tell me about the bolt action speed.

When I was leveling the rem, the only thing that stood out to me was the movespeed. So I tried to capitalize on using it as a short range sniper.

This was months ago, though.

[amber pelican]

rem700 has 0.66 with bolt e m200 has 1.02 yet they feel almost equal ingame

[vital crown]

I see.

Yeah, time to bolt would be a more understandable stat.

Speed is very vague especially because we have no baseline.

[amber pelican]

yes and that is something that oki could make clearer

[vital crown]

Maybe it's their theoretical fire-rate.

0.66 vs 1.02 bullets per second?

Those are the only two that make intuitive sense.

[amber pelican]

just double checked in game first 3 snipers have bolt action speed of 1.02 with bolt e rem has 0.66 m200 and msr has 0.82 so i remember wrong there

so either rem is the fastest we have or the slowest

ssg 69, sv-98 and l96 has the same speed according to the game

[vital crown]

I feel like rem should be the fastest, but I'm not sure.

[balmy cargo]

It's just one guy constantly derailing the thread. Instead of punishing everyone for trying to stay on topic you could just deal with them instead >_>

[sonic anchor]

🍿

[amber pelican]

going to look up its spec for the real weapon and see in what role its used

[summer latch]

I know, I see it.. 😉

[balmy cargo]

Based mod. Thank you.

[red sun]

i mean im not the best at stayin on the railes, but im at least trying to stay in the lines

[summer latch]

Fair, we understand that these topics can go off slightly, but some of the conversations in here, is on another track completely

[amber pelican]

hum rem700 was designed with very fast lock time some examples for bolt action rifles gets down to 2.4ms with an ar-15 or a hk416 sits around 10 ms. that should mean that a lower number on bolt speed is faster but bolts in this game raise the bolt speed they do not lower it. intrestingly only bolt A,D,E increase bolt action speed

[red sun]

could it be a measure of how quickly the bolt is moving and not the time it takes for the bolt to cycle?

[amber pelican]

mayby but only bolt c,d,e autobolt the rest are manual

[cobalt gazelle]

some changes:
maybe make the bolt attachments not a linear upgrade? additionally, more reserve ammo.

Alternatively, give recon two new backpack variants

one of them has a reserve of ammunition
the other has a reserve of ammunition and extra bandages, but reduces walkspeed

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah there should in general be backpacks that give more bandages

[atomic hill]

An upgraded drone backpack so get 2 drones with smoke launchers?

[atomic hill]

Backpacks could be a buffing mechanic to enable recon to have additional utility to the team and enable different playstyles. 👍

My new hot take on the MSR 🐨🙀. After a certain amount of kills you should unlock the PSR. The PSR can only one shot exo support if bipoded and between 300-400m away.

In my experience playing support a bipoded rpk should be able to counter harass with a 2-3x.

After 1452 kill I like the gun, but it deserves a purpose. The PSR can have the biggest smoke trail after 100m, because a support player on your team can build a sniper fort.

I just don't like all the smoke in my scope when I take a shot. If anything it should be more clear to the player where there shot landed for both the sniper and potential snipee.

Maybe high caliber rounds hitting sandbags should cause larger better visible sand dust to pour out of them? (Source Wikipedia, I'm not putting in additional sniper lore research effort during the holidays.) #happyholidays

[hearty crow]

i guess if i was to give each RF their own identity.
SSG should have fastest movement as zeroing to only 500m its going to need to move from place to place for shots cause it can't sit in no mans land
SV-98 should be the fastest at bolting
L96 kind of a jack of all trades master of none
M200 stays the velocity power house
MSR probably should get a bonus damage vs vehicles to help chip at helicopters, boats, and humvees
Reem does the most damage and even pop exo helmets at range and not cqc but low velocity and slowest bolting

[static merlin]

Maybe re700 have best stock or control idk

Msr should be able to 1 tap exos but maybe with 1000m velocity only?

Re700 having 1.0 control would be wild as hwck

[hearty crow]

i have no idea what control even does

like is it how scope having a sway or something?

[static merlin]

Its how much the gun goes up n down during breath hold

N ads

[vagrant thistle]

I don't think any sniper should be able to 1 tap exo

[still flume]

l96 biggest mag (already)
msr should have biggest dmg

due to that aint having big mag

reem idk

[hearty crow]

feels like the odd one out for sure

though sv-98 and l96 kind of tie for biggest mag unless the l96 has an extended mag i forgot about

[still flume]

no only ls have 15 mag

which makes it best

[hearty crow]

ah does have extended 15 mag

[still flume]

mag matter so much on sniper because sniper is always about having lucky angle for couple of seconds and wasting it on reload is loss

reem should have fastest bolting

sv can go fuck itself

give it mag on 20 idk

[hearty crow]

i kind of like the sv-98 red dot

its growing on me

[strong epoch]

I agree. It should either be they all can or none of them can, and I prefer that none of them can.

[vagrant thistle]

real

[nocturne smelt]

SSG69 has a 20 round extended mag

[still flume]

which is usseless

[atomic hill]

MSR just needs something to set it apart in terms of damage I think. It doesn’t need to be exo per say.

It just shouldn't be worse m200.

[atomic hill]

Does it impact medium scope reticle swaying up and down slightly?

[static merlin]

Yes, it affects medium scopes as well

[hearty crow]

i guess that explains why it feels like miss shots that should be dead on

and why using the bipod feels better to use

[still flume]

med scopes doesnt sway

ah yea give reem best control

150

perfect balance

i guess if i was to give each RF their own identity.
SSG should have fastest movement as zeroing to only 500m its going to need to move from place to place for shots cause it can't sit in no mans land
SV-98 should be the fastest at bolting
L96 kind of a jack of all trades
M200 stays the velocity power house
MSR due sound it have - biggest dmg with exo oneshot
Reem biggest control (no sway even on x20)

fits their style

if only oki would give a damn

[trail laurel]

dont forget small mag making it light as an smg

[hearty crow]

true

[static merlin]

Didn’t mean the hold breath sway, med scopes only have control sway. It goes up and down slightly. Very noticeable on the m200 though

[static merlin]

Ssg should have the base speed of a low mag L96 and it needs to have its bolt in ads and bolting speed tweaked

I wouldn’t mind MSR having Exo 1 shot since it also has 0 control anyways

I’d say make SV-98 have the smoothest in ads bolting while giving ssg69 best in class bolting speed alongside the sv-98

M200 as of now has the smoothest in ads bolting meanwhile in ads bolting on other sniper rifles other than L96 is impractical to the point you should just use Bolt A and go out of ads in each shot

Maybe also give ssg69 the best ads speed too

It also makes it good in a sense that beginner snipers will be a bit closer to the frontline

[still flume]

everything have that even ak74 that doesnt do anything with control

[static merlin]

For Snipers it is more noticeable since its longer range though

[still flume]

yea but nothing impact it bruh

pointless to talk about it

[static merlin]

Control should be the stat that impacts that sway though

[still flume]

even if control impact it somehow that is so low almost doesnt matter

[static merlin]

I notice it is way bigger on the 0 control m200 compared to my L96 with short mag and bolt A

[still flume]

nah this sway aint impact the gameplay at all

[still flume]

placebo + nobody will run short mag because of it

[static merlin]

It impacts quite a bit at long range tho ngl. Because you may sway up right as you shoot a person’s head or sway down. I’ve noticed it a bit

Yeah you don’t run short mag cause of control ofc, you run it for the speed

[still flume]

yea its literally placebo i checked it closely

[still flume]

aint running big mag is shows that you are bad sniper

[still flume]

sniping on 300m+ is waste of time

[static merlin]

Nah I run around at the frontline and the speed lets me do some parkour I otherwise couldn’t

[still flume]

esp with med scope lmao

and how do you even need run speed if you snipe that far?

all you said doesnt match

[static merlin]

I don’t snipe at the back tho I snipe usually very aggressively

[still flume]

just run ls 15 mag with silencer and x6-8 and you are most dangerous insane uptime in right timing HS machine

big mag matter so much when you know good angles

[static merlin]

I stay around 50-200m mostly

[still flume]

yea and also matter the close you are to the enemy

[static merlin]

True, but I just like being fast

[still flume]

why reload when you dont

thats prefs not build

anyway topic about control closed

[static merlin]

Yeah so I run it, heck I run Bolt A on L96 just because I like how it feels to bolt outside of ads

Yeah

[still flume]

there shouldnt be any sway on sniper class tho

i mean that basic sway

i never even noticed it exist because it doesnt impact my aim but im a sniper or who why my crosshair shaking

[static merlin]

Does bf3 have that sway?

[still flume]

only control should impact it and only on x6+

and control should be hugely rebalanced around some snipers

[static merlin]

Dude I got it

[still flume]

so not every sniper having 50 and some 0

[static merlin]

Control balances the in-ads bolting

[still flume]

no im explaining that to oki

[static merlin]

How about that?

[still flume]

because he cant understand shit

[still flume]

what

[static merlin]

*how about control affecting the bolting sway when in-ads bolting instead of sway?

The sway when you bolt in ads

[still flume]

like the speed?

[static merlin]

No the sway when bolting

M200 doesn’t have this issue but use the ssg69 once with in ads bolt and you’ll get what I mean

[still flume]

no thats too unimpactful

that way stat will become useless

[static merlin]

Its p impactful though it’ll make some snipers better at staying in ads while bolting

Rn only the M200 has the smoothest in ads bolting sway

[still flume]

nobody will trade other stats for choosing the weapon with just better ads sway

but i dont mind if it will impact both

both usual sway and bolt sway

[static merlin]

In closer ranges having a smooth in ads bolting lets you switch targets and shoot immediately while in ads

[still flume]

it also will make this stat a bit more clear to understand

[static merlin]

Meanwhile with shit in ads bolting you’d have to wait for the sway to stop to get a clear shot after switching targets while in ads

It’d make sense for the M200 to have a worse in ads bolting sway vs the L96 and ssg69 anyways

[static merlin]

Matoi, rn for the L96 when using in ads bolting the shot actually goes below the scope’s reticle if you shoot as soon as it finishes bolting

[still flume]

yea my skills adjusted to that

feels like shit tho

[static merlin]

Yeah but its still weird and feels like shit

One of the reasons why I used A-bolt too tbh. I can adapt to it but damn it feels like utter shit

[still flume]

thats why i run red dot

funny

[static merlin]

Canted right

Oh

Huh never knew about that

[still flume]

barrel looks 2 kilometers down and a bit left

while scope is living its life

[static merlin]

Yeah dude its so fd

Till how far does the red dot go btw?

[still flume]

and shot actually was fired there

[static merlin]

Bruh

[still flume]

the problem is it always like that not even after bolting

its funny how my insane skill notice that and adjusted even w.o me noticing that

[static merlin]

Laser is always gonna be slightly lower than sights though

[still flume]

and i never knew why im running red laser

[static merlin]

Even on other guns lasers r always not directly on point of the sight

[still flume]

yet it shots more to the laser side than the cross

[static merlin]

I tested the sway thing and its actually more directly down iirc

At least with med scopes

[still flume]

thats a miss according to scope

but

[static merlin]

Huh

I probably didn’t notice the shot going a bit to the left since i use med scope then

[still flume]

i trust lasers more

[static merlin]

Yeah I might start using lasers now too

Meanwhile M200 just relaxing with the near perfect in ads bolt sway

[still flume]

idk maybe oki fucked up all rifles and every sights are more up + a bit right

while laser is actual point of aim

may be im on crack

first is more real

https://medal.tv/games/battlebit-remastered/clips/1KqR2YCUmRsRr_/d1337j0FalIV?invite=cr-MSxDd3MsMTg1NDk0MzYyLA

you can see here, at least for me every shot was followed laser line instead of mid of scope

[static merlin]

I think the sights being more up make sense since yeah the scopes are on top of the guns. Not sure abt the laser being correct though

[static merlin]

Wait are lasers on the left or right side of the railings on most guns btw?

[still flume]

yea

[static merlin]

Should be left because rangefinder

So the laser being at the left and below of the crosshair makes sense

[still flume]

i doubt it even IRL correct and surely that shouldnt be game design correct

[still flume]

makes me vomit

[static merlin]

Nah it was from battlebit’s milsim era, I don’t mind it anyway

[still flume]

anyway abusing red laser is OP, literally point red thingy and shoot, makes sniping baby easy

there is nothing else to use anyway

[hearty crow]

hmm i guess the red dot doesn't line up with the scope cause he doesn't zero. even 50m kind of matters, but guess laser is a nice short cut

[still flume]

whats the zero

[hearty crow]

zeroing

[still flume]

ik

[static merlin]

Zeroing

[still flume]

whats the zeroing

[static merlin]

Did Oki even bother zeroing with lasers

[hearty crow]

um you don't know what zeroing is?

[still flume]

ik but is it in game?

[static merlin]

Technically the longer the range you zeroed on the higher up the laser should go

[hearty crow]

yeah

[static merlin]

Yeah its in the game for long scopes

[hearty crow]

i bind it to my mouse

[still flume]

lol

[hearty crow]

well mouse wheal

can do it with any gun

[still flume]

pros doesnt need that i guess

worth bother?

[static merlin]

I just use alt and even then I use med scopes so it doesn’t affect me

[still flume]

i just have my funny laser

[hearty crow]

yeah as i said laser seems to be a short cut

[static merlin]

At this point the leading I need for the acog is basically engrained already

[hearty crow]

i assume you run the M200?

cause that goes for like 200m before you have to worry about bullet drop

[static merlin]

L96

[still flume]

my skills zeroing every gun for myself

[static merlin]

Same

[still flume]

never knew that was in game

oki with his shittest milsim ideas

[static merlin]

Wait for ars its zeroed to 50m?

[still flume]

long range snipers happy

[static merlin]

Usually its zeroed to 100m irl

[still flume]

idk thats just random image

[trail laurel]

you sure you didnt cut out the frame where the crosshair was above that because scope sway?

[hearty crow]

wait is that how the scope to bullets line up in BB?

[still flume]

check it yourself and no i dont

there is almost no scope sway on ls also

[still flume]

no

lol

[hearty crow]

oh good cause that AR feels like it breaks the laws of physics

[still flume]

any counter strike ar

[static merlin]

The guy wasn’t moving you should be able to use his head as a reference to laser and shot

[still flume]

anyway use red laser and forgot about zeroing

[hearty crow]

i might have to start running laser on more guns

[still flume]

there is nothing else to run

[hearty crow]

i didn't bother cause it didn't work before hand so never revisited it after they "fixed" it

[still flume]

what do you want range finder

find the range with your eye

the only choice in side rail over red laser

is green laser

depends on skin of a gun

[static merlin]

Wait istfg if laser accurately predicts where you bullet will go even at long distance

That’d be so dumb and broken

[hearty crow]

i think its where your barrel is aiming and since he is an aggressive sniper bullet drop isn't much of a factor

[static merlin]

Yeah but it’d be funny if it does

Ik he’s also aggressive

But if lasers r mechanically broken that way it would be funny asf

[hearty crow]

indeed

[static merlin]

Could you test it out Mike? My pc’s being repaired rn

[trail laurel]

we thinking lazers might account for bullet drop?

[hearty crow]

yeah

not sure

[static merlin]

It’ll be funny asf if it does

[trail laurel]

that would be so funny

[static merlin]

Right

[still flume]

i will just zero every gun to 1km and shoot right on the mid of scope

[hearty crow]

i'm not sure if i could even see the laser at range

[static merlin]

It’s gonna be wonky dude

[hearty crow]

well guns have limits

like scar can only zero 300m i think

[static merlin]

The ar picture is kinda wrong too, the scope is zeroed not the gun btw. Irl the gun would be angled up slightly

[still flume]

when im was shooting on 400m before im was just putting scope 5 meters higher and thats it

its better btw to always know how your bullet fly instead of always adjust

[hearty crow]

probably but why not use the tools if ya got them

[still flume]

muscle memory > no muscle memory always adjust

best aimers is a guys who just know every spray in their hands

[static merlin]

Well yeah ofc

[still flume]

change the spray even a bit and they are lost

thats happened in cs2

and now even on pro scene guys unable to spray shit

[static merlin]

They probably just need a bit of time to adjust back

[still flume]

ofc

but if you always change the way the bullet fly

[static merlin]

They immediately played cs2 pro scene as soon as it launched n were not made aware of the bullet spray

[still flume]

you can never have the memory

[static merlin]

Well yeah

[hearty crow]

hmm depends

[still flume]

its also new trash netcode

[static merlin]

The memory becomes invalid, no crap?

[still flume]

its also waste of time to adjust

you doesnt have any sometimes lol

[hearty crow]

like i was able to adjust for a shot at 400m when my gun was zeroed to 600m cause i was worried the target could get away

so didn't bother zeroing and just winged it

[still flume]

wait let me fix my dick in my pants and zero my gun to uhhh 300 + 50 oh enemy got cover

also its not sniper simulator

100m best distance

combining all of that - zeroing is traaaash

[hearty crow]

for me 200 ~ 600m my sweat spot

[still flume]

yea i checked with ptr hunter and zeroing that laser is actual bullet land instead of scope

thanks oki

my favorite game designer

[still flume]

with zeroing i also can run funny ptr hunter build

sya guys

[hearty crow]

i have to see if it will actually work at range now

time to boot up the game'

[still flume]

thanks to the trails you can clearly see it now

[hearty crow]

the laser i mean

[static merlin]

Wtf lmao

[still flume]

dead ass

[static merlin]

I was right HAHAHAHA

[still flume]

everything is lie

[static merlin]

I fucking knew it

[still flume]

still no HS tho

so trails is also lie

[static merlin]

Huh that is weird

Lasers are broken as shit

They for some reason get affected by distance too, and its not even accurately left horizontal of the bullet

Wtf Oki

[still flume]

idk that shouldnt be a hit for me

[static merlin]

Omfg that’s how sniper trails actually work

The lasers just follow the same line as sniper trails

Oki you sly dog

[still flume]

red is how lasers irl work

green how lasers in battlebit work

[static merlin]

Classic Oki moment

[still flume]

thats why milsim is trash

always comes to something like that

[static merlin]

This isn’t even milsim its just fucking wrong

[static merlin]

Did you zero the gun here?

[still flume]

no

i scrolled miliseconds of vid thats the shot land and the second before shot

its shooting to the lasers for sure

im was thinking about hitboxes and may be head glitch but nah

[static merlin]

It looks to be slightly below the laser though

What distance is that?

[still flume]

nah its just not perfect cut

if you want you can do frame by frame research

[static merlin]

Try using a ssg69 with short suppressor at the same distance

My pc’s getting repaired rn I can’t do anything as of now

[still flume]

for me thats enough, its much lower than actual scope anyway

its not even big distance, 100m prob, still shoots wherever it wants

[static merlin]

Oh I was asking to see maybe 200m if lasers can go that far out

[static merlin]

Use the ssg69 with shirt supressor and go as far as the red laser can go

[still flume]

lasers go infinitely because who cares

milsim

lasers is just zeroing for poor

[static merlin]

Tbh in a game that’s as simple as this graphics wise Im not surprised if it goes infinitely

[still flume]

lasers doesnt mirror where shot will land on 200m+ obv

but they surely must have on 50-100

because on 50-100 your gun shoots much upper even if zeroed to 0

even if zeroed to match the distance*

[static merlin]

Probably just cause of the fact that the scope is above the barrel, but irl I never see it be a huge impact

[static merlin]

At least here it actually looks like the bullet goes to the right of the laser as it should

[still flume]

anyway if you dont zero you can just use laser on 200m- and be happy

[static merlin]

Yeah, god damn

[still flume]

which for good sniper means always

but obv perfect zeroing is better

zeroing doesnt change the laser position which kinda dumb?

thats why with zeroing gun will actually shoot on the middle of scope instead of to the laser

laser will still be somewhere much below

[static merlin]

The laser should go higher the farther the distance you zero

[still flume]

but on 30m for example im would trust laser much more than scope

[still flume]

yea but its static

[static merlin]

But for the game Oki probably just made the angle of the bullet releasing different for simplicity

*only that is affected

[still flume]

i checked a vids how its works in IRL which oki jerks on

the mistake he did is he adjusted the laser for scope that zeroed for 1km (point where laser and scope finally connects)

instead of adjusting laser to 0 meters (making it more like default way)

thats why we have laser much below the scope on 0-100 meters and perfectly connected on bigger distances instead of vice versa

may be he did this so we wont just shoot laser on big distance and land a hit w.o bothering with zeroing

but still works dumb

and makes me dont bother with zeroing on low distance and just shoot laser

kinda of aggressive sniper rewarding okay i forgive you this time oki

[static merlin]

Yeah

Anyways game dev wise unless you really have a fully fleshed zeroing system its gonna be hard to get realistic lasers

As in the gun’s barrel angle is adjusted according to the zeroing

Even irl at close range you just need the laser pointer so the sight not aligning super well doesn’t matter

[static merlin]

Honestly the easiest solution is to make lasers fade away once it reaches certain distance too

[atomic hill]

I feel like there should be an option for sniper reticle dot, a minimal crosshair overlay in game.

My problem with control stat on med scopes, is that people not using a crosshair overlay are at an artificial disadvantage due to the reticle sway.

L96 rapid fire without one is egregious.

[hearty crow]

ok is it just me or is the sound for weapons and footsteps somehow worse
like i can hear DMRs and snipers as soon as they fire their weapons and over 600m can nearly dodge on reaction if i'm paying attention

and enemy guns shoot it sounds like its going off in your ear rather then the direction the enemy is

[formal lynx]

Yeah it’s largely agreed upon that the audio update was a nice idea but executed poorly

[hearty crow]

ok so i'm not crazy. good to know

thought i needed to go get me a new pair of headphones for a sec

[torpid trout]

It's a lot worse. It only lets you know that a bullet is flying by your head, but you can't tell where the shot is coming from anymore

Not sure why it's still in the game

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah it's way worse I'm waiting for them to roll it back

[cobalt gazelle]

SSG could probably do with an aggressive damage curve buff too since that's the case
Maybe give it something like 0.9 Control and low aimspeed?
SV96... trade a bit of velocity, sone movement speed, for higher damage than SSG, 10 rnd clip?
R700... I guess it's traditionally a hunting rifle... Meh damage, meh boltspeed, high velocity and good control?
MSR gains bonus damage to player armor and access to integral suppressor kit?
L96 gains shallower damage curve and higher base damage at mobility and refire cost...?
M200 loses some velocity in exchange for boosted vehicle damage (see about implementing engine block weakspot on cars?)

[hearty crow]

i'd assume that having to fight under 500m with trails is enough of a downside for the SSG and having the worst velocity of other snipers
kind of like the idea of SV-98 niche being fast bolting as its still just barely better then the SSG
i guess the R700 having like no sway on using long range scopes could be a nice niche with low damage and low bolting
L96 kind of being a middle ground as 4th best velocity, 2nd best bolting, and depending on which mag you pick determines movement
and either MSR or M200 could be the velocity king or anti armor. i don't know much about their irl counterparts so not sure which is closer to an anti-material rifle

[cobalt gazelle]

the MSR is .300 WM, which seems to be the extended performance round of the US Army given the M24 went that caliber, same for the M2010
The M200 is .408 CheyTac and is intended for use against armored infantry, light vehicles, enemy equipment, or your mother.

[hearty crow]

i see

so MSR should be velocity king and M200 should make helis and humvees sweat as i think it already has the most damage

[still flume]

too overcomplicated

[still flume]

IRL arguments was complete dogshit before, now they are completely invalid because this game choosed arcade course

which is right, only because of milsim bullshit its dying

[still flume]

you should consider how your suggestion will look from a dev side, oki wont do shit even we are suggested, and esp if its even harder and changes are questionable

[hearty crow]

no shit sherlock. but say you have your 50 cal hit like a pool noodle while a 9mm is one tapping might be a step too far. if you want irl taken competely off the table then go play planetside 2 or some other sci-fi game

obviously cause its a video game things won't and shouldn't line up totally with irl, but it should be divorced completely otherwise why even bother including irl weapons in your game in the first place

[still flume]

extremes

[hearty crow]

yeah

its called an illistration to help get my point across

[still flume]

what yeah

ik your point

it also valid to have 9mm oneshot if its works for game

but nobody will do it for battlebit

we ask to dont balance battlebit by irl bullshit

you missing the topic

[hearty crow]

no you butted in on the topic i was having with someone else ding dong

also balance kind of bores me. you want balance? then why not lock everyone to the assault class, locked into only using M4s, locked into only C4 and ammo box for items and locked into frags cause that is what a perfectly balanced game looks like

[still flume]

another extremes holy shit

also bad example

best balanced game is that with 2 lines and 1 ball

extremes logic type is worst logic type

just dont fucking use the calibers in balancing sniper rifles

[hearty crow]

well that's the thing

if you want to have each sniper have its own niche

[still flume]

this game is more far from IRL than cs go

[still flume]

you can do it by ONLY arcade mechanics

and rpg mechanics

such as bolt speed control

giving higher velocity to bigger caliber

which makes 0 sense right

etc

[hearty crow]

i kind of gave a list on how to make them different and you even copy pasted like half of it and tweaked the last part to make it seem like your idea so i don't wanna hear it

[still flume]

comeback to topic

i also sended straight to oki your ideas

with my changes

now we wait

[hearty crow]

kay

[still flume]

better way than straight

i have the mail lines

[hearty crow]

and i was just asking a question on what gun is bigger caliber M200 or MSR cause i was curious. like if the MSR ends up the armor pen and the M200 is velocity monster fine with me. but would it really hurt to have it the other way around to match the the irl counterpart

[still flume]

there is no armor pen mechanic in this game

[hearty crow]

well do more damage against vehicles

or what ever

[still flume]

why

lol

[hearty crow]

well i can't recall what i had said originally so kind of winging it

[still flume]

its so fucking bad we doesnt have any wall penetration in this game

whole mechanic lost

[hearty crow]

i had this weird thing were bullets were passing through my barrier on Valley

[still flume]

vehicle dmg is usless for low mag rifles

[still flume]

which barrier

[hearty crow]

the ones you build

the sandbag

[still flume]

desync

[hearty crow]

ah

[still flume]

or bug

or oki gay

[hearty crow]

think the weirdest interaction i had with a sniper was actually getting credit for a kill on an APC with my M200

i was aiming for the engineer running to try and repair it

missed and well it expoded

[still flume]

с4

you ca shoot it

[balmy cargo]

Sandbags always have a 1% rng chance of desyncing

[trail laurel]

shoots from the barrel not the scope

[balmy cargo]

No smoke effect from my bullet hitting sandbag tho?

It isn't the first time either

[trail laurel]

didnt see a smoke effect going to the player you were shooting at either or im just blind

[balmy cargo]

Player who shot back at me had his bullet hit my sandbag and u can see smoke effect

its at like 4 secs

[trail laurel]

this before trails?

also good point

[balmy cargo]

Yes clip is a little old

good times

[trail laurel]

only other thing i could think of is the game somehow thought you were shooting through a wall

[sonic anchor]

not when ads

[hearty crow]

fun

also weird there is no sound of your bullet hitting the sandbag

[torpid trout]

Some weird shit often happens when enemies are laying on or peeking curved surfaces too

[atomic hill]

What if support could build those guard towers like on Waki. The towers can always be blown up with a rocket/vehicle unless the team invests more buildables.

I think supports on the lower sightline, and snipers on the higher sightline would enable better class synergy between recon & support.

Not having high ground or built/smoked controllable sightlines will get you killed as a bolt sniper imo. I can build towers myself regardless, just think more varied sightlines would help snipers contribute to map control.

[still flume]

you shoot too low

put red laser

[balmy cargo]

No sound effect or smoke on sandbag tho even if I did aim too low.

[still flume]

its not even sandbag

you just hit too low

[balmy cargo]

At least one of those had to be on point with m200 velocity no way, even a body shot

[still flume]

#1138743146541486130 message

.

on 0-200m you must aim higher

wuddup

[balmy cargo]

Look at first kill on the clip it’s almost the same height

If I aim slightly lower it’s a body shot at least

Except the first kill was a headshot

[still flume]

enemy was moving

also hs hitbox is big you just hit the edge of it

[balmy cargo]

He’s moving so I aimed more right not above

[still flume]

he is moving away from you

anyway

you hit the lowest part of head

vid explains everything idk why argue

you can check it yourself

esp if you dont zeroing like me

[balmy cargo]

Right and on the second guy his overall hitbox is bigger than a head so at the very least it should be barely a body shot

[still flume]

place laser and aim with it instead

[balmy cargo]

Ok if I get another sandbag desync with laser I’ll post it

[still flume]

you hit the fence on all of the shots

no point you just go on training and see how lower actual shot goes

its enough to hit lowest part of head when you aim at highest and hit body/nothing when you aim at middle of head

[balmy cargo]

I still think I hit and it’s desynced. Notice how no flash comes out of my gun for like three shots. I’ve landed those types of shots consistently with med scopes before it just doesn’t make any sense

The shot where I got a headshot had the gun flash

My other shots did not (except 1). Now I’m questioning if a bullet even released

My theory is for the shots without the gunflash, my gun is clipped into where the sandbag actually is on the server -> server doesn't spawn gunflash because maybe its coded that way idk -> bullet never fired to begin with

[hearty crow]

wonder if i should do a suggestions thread for seeing if they can add the WA2000 to the game. not sure if it would be a DMR. probably not gonna be a sniper for balance reasons

[cobalt gazelle]

HMMM

[atomic hill]

I think a deployed bipod should improve bolting speed by say 30%. With trails I think it's only worth running bipod on m200 long range. (Maybe only 10% for m200)

You can bolt faster, but the tradeoff is you're more stationary and vulnerable with a bipod.

Recon nerfs have buffed DMRS and increased the utility of bulding sniper nests to take quick peek aim duels. The bipod being uniquely bad on recon is whacky.

[hearty crow]

i just want the bipod to be more forgiving

find yourself at a slight slope and its like nope. i ain't gonna work right now

then grass severally limits where you can even use the darn thing

i can't even use the bipod on window ledges standing like what gives

[sonic anchor]

lmgs getting kicked off the bipod when shooting in a "weird" spot 💀

[strong epoch]

This has been one of my main complaints about the bipod for a long time. There seems to have been almost zero consideration for the bipod deployment height when either crouched or standing on pretty much every single map. Typical objects you'd expect to be able to deploy on like window sills, concrete barricades, counter tops, quarter-walls , wooden crates, cars; they're almost never actually usable for the bipod since they're too low when standing, but too high when crouched. And then add in the fact that you aren't locked in to the bipod deployment when it's already hard enough to get it deployed in the first place, I honestly don't use the bipod much even after the buff since its old stat-debuffs were only one part of the problem.

[strong epoch]

Given your PFP, I assume that you and I have the same reason for wanting the WA2K lol

[hearty crow]

maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaybe
and i also liked the gun from the og CoDMW2 and big fan of German weapons in general

it becoming a tsuntsun animu girl was a bonus

[strong epoch]

:3 QBU-88 best girl gun

Coincidentally, thats also the same reason i am entirely incapable of not using the drum mag on the MG36. Its just wrong

[hearty crow]

i feel the same and same with RPK-16

416 and WA2k #bestgirls

[strong epoch]

Especially since RPK with bipod is... lol

Why use bipod when MAG

[rigid shard]

🤨

[atomic hill]

I use bipod rpk for 2-3x good on top of hescos on tensa and namak. I used to use bipod on l96/MSR for quicker target acquisition, now I just use angled grip on bolts for aim down time.

[hearty crow]

i started out as a med scope sneaky boi and now i'm a 15x scope bipod user just chillin in my tent.

[sonic anchor]

always been chilling at range
but now i do it while actually seeing what i am shooting at

[hearty crow]

which is funny cause when i first started playing the game i hated snipers with a passion. i'm talkin would take a jet ski on old Basra go all the way to the enemies side of the map, ignore the command post and rush the hill to kill all the snipers clustered up there.
i eventually started to use a sniper myself cause best way to kill a sniper is using a sniper as its the only really effective way to get the ones hiding in the safe zone.
now i lived too long and competed my villain arc become the very thing that i hate

[sonic anchor]

i can respect long range snipers and close range crackshots
but medium range snipers are despicable af

[strong epoch]

I guess I wasn't super clear; I meant visually, the bipod on the RPK looks dumb af. iirc, it's way shorter than the mag

[strong epoch]

Define "medium range". I'm an SSG main, and it would be rather disingenuous to put it in the same range brackets as the other SRs lol💀

Actually, I daresay its even out-ranged by the DMRs

[sonic anchor]

anything from 150-400m is genuinely annoying because you can't fight back but the bullets are also nearly instantly in you

[sonic anchor]

dmrs work up to about 500m
after that gl, you won't be effective

[strong epoch]

650m and beyond is roughly where I would say the SSGs "not worth taking the shot" range is. On moving targets, you can all but forget about it, and for stationary targets you still have to deal with an absurd amount of drop per distance unit that far beyond the guns max zero distance