#Sniper Rifles (General) - Feedback

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hearty crow
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hmm i can smell the sweat from here

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ya want a cookie?

still flume
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thats called perfectionism

hearty crow
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funny where i come from its called making up for smol dick energy

still flume
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everything tied with perfection is tied with huge cock stop the cap

hearty crow
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be you cry yourself to sleep saying that every night

formal lynx
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like damn dude you're actually funny and I agree on some of your points but jesus maybe put the gun that is your insults on safety

hearty crow
formal lynx
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nah the dudes cheating on a private server of a KMMO that has shut down a year ago to impress egirls, that is compensational behaviour

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this dood jus wanna play really well

hearty crow
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he just asked for 2 grand saying he is the best of two worlds

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his arm is gonna snap if he pats himself on the back any harder

formal lynx
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Sarcasm

hearty crow
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oooooooooooooh

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sorry text tends to not convy that very well XD

formal lynx
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he's just saying he's skilled in both as and against recon so he can provide valuable feedback

still flume
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my lore is, i was x3 times better in fps before, but now there is no fps game where i can reveal my potential, because im simply cant even stick with any for more than 30h session (when you need ~300 min to reach your actuall peak)
thats why i dont like my current clips, because they are not even mine, they are from worst form of mine
yet even being in worst form, class is permament, and my class is 0.1% of players at min

formal lynx
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I would actually like to see some stats… of the class pick rate.

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I’m sure oki has those

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Or at least can provide a framework to gather it

still flume
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for making it clear
im also never lie, altrough it can look that way, because obv im so rare

formal lynx
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Ok noooow you’re Ego posting a bit

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You’re definitely skilled

still flume
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the problem is im always need to proove something, when im alone, and amount noobs that needs the prooves is triple digit

still flume
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im not hiding it

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and all i do + say is for majorities not even for me

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you think that im saying that snipers got buffed is for meme or what

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it even impacts me lesser than majority, YOUR beloved game gonna take the damage from it not mine

hearty crow
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you guys hear something?

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a lot of hot air just now

still flume
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im completely fine with battlebit dying

hearty crow
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good for you, wanna cookie?

still flume
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im wasting my time here just for you

hearty crow
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oh what a saint

still flume
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explaining the things only 0.1% can notice and feel

hearty crow
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could be out their owning the orphans but decided to get off his sweaty throne to visit the plebs. how generous

still flume
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and even if ill proove that im also best sniper, most of you wont even take my side

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and in next topic, ill need to start everything from a beginning

hearty crow
still flume
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now try to understand

hearty crow
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🥱 is he done yet?

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you must have a lot of back problems from how often you suck yourself off

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might want to see a chiropractor about that

still flume
hearty crow
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the grammar it burns

still flume
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fix it

hearty crow
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how about no

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i think mister "i'm just so much better and smarter then everyone" should at least be able to write a readable sentence

still flume
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you are better than me at english, thats why im aint arguing with you that i having bad grammar

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but somehow you arguing with me in battlebit takes

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aint it funny?

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thats the difference between ego style and real ego

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hugest life tip: if someone better than you at something, you should listen more than talking (and always doubt, never not doubt, but still listen)

hearty crow
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who said i was better at engrish? i sure as heck ain't flexin. just literally can't make out what you say sometimes and you hold yourself to the status of "perfectionist" yet feel like you can slack in writing is hilarious to me

still flume
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i said

sonic anchor
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not a lot of people like listening to someone who's that far up their own ass HyperXD

still flume
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true

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but thats one of the biggest humanity issues i also trying to fix

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ppl care much more about how you feed them the words

hearty crow
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oh my gosh he's a humanitarian now as well

still flume
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not the actual meaning behind it

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thats why im not being friendly despite having insane manipulative skills

hearty crow
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could have fooled me 🙄

still flume
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i simply hate that ppl care about facts less than how you give them the facts

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and ill never stop giving the best facts in worst way to them

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to at least somehow impact it

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now you know everything why and how i do things

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and im alwaaaaaaaays need to explain it from a beginning, cant even have a shortcut also

sonic anchor
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that's how humans work tho, they take a lot from how things are said, regardless of what is said
if you really want people to listen to you, maybe try and not be a cunt who's obviously better than everyone else

still flume
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and the fact of the day, comeback fucking glare and remove trails

sonic anchor
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long range range scopes will be useless tho kat

still flume
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simply priorities

sonic anchor
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if you're gonna use math shit at least use it right ffs Facepalm_Battlebit
no wonder your online persona is this bloated, can't imagine how you must be irl, sad honestly

torpid trout
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They're not a pain in the ass at all. I don't know why people keep saying that

eager osprey
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snipers in videogames are usually despised because getting outranged is not fun

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but like, battlebit already makes sniping require at least a little bit of skill due to them not being hitscan, as well as glint exposing your location. also, the good maps have plenty of buildings and cover to break up sniper sightlines. it's only dogshit maps like basra where snipers become really fucking annoying

balmy cargo
still flume
balmy cargo
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and posted that here thinking it was good

still flume
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btw trail takers

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where is anyone that see your trail and react?

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exactly, nobody gives a shit

balmy cargo
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The last guy got me from kill + trail

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but either way, my main point is it took you 1 week to generate an average clip

still flume
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in glare patch you would die after second kill

balmy cargo
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that would not take you that long pre trails/glint

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so proving me right

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ok gg

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get back to me when you actually get 100

still flume
balmy cargo
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Oh wait...

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Nothing for a week

still flume
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never will clip that cringe

balmy cargo
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Yet you did this time

still flume
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you can get me screenshotting 100k but clipping that bruh

balmy cargo
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I can't get you clipping 100 kills because it doesnt exist

still flume
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literally no effort 6k

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"im too good OHHH"

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lmaooo

balmy cargo
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You actually posted that clip thinking you had something lmfao

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yooo

still flume
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im not even poggin from what i did

balmy cargo
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good meme

still flume
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and you just came from your first 6k in your life

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switch panties before clipping

balmy cargo
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I have way more

still flume
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first rule

balmy cargo
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But at the end of the day

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you posted that clip thinking someone would be impressed 🤡

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like i said

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100 kills

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no less

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the more you stall the stronger my point is

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sniper rifles

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suck dog dick

still flume
still flume
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you wouldnt able to do it with literally any other gun

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you literally shitted on the guys who saying "its too easy to spot me with trails"

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all you did

balmy cargo
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You can get way more kills in one life on any other class rofl

still flume
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and i thank you for that

balmy cargo
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The only thing you get with snipers is style point

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what I did would've been like 10x easier with smg or dmr

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sure i might have to reload the gun

still flume
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you would succ balls with it

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that would be insanely different story

balmy cargo
still flume
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you wouldnt be on roof

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you will be able only kill 2-3 per mag

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etc

balmy cargo
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DMR is hilariously easier

still flume
balmy cargo
still flume
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go get a 6k with dmr

still flume
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you just skill issued yourself

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"im too good OHHH"

balmy cargo
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Ah so u think sniper rifle is the easiest gun in the game

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right right

still flume
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no

balmy cargo
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still waiting on 100 btw

still flume
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yea i remember

balmy cargo
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we're both shooting at bots rofl

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it shows n o t h i n g

still flume
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but its not a reason to try the fight my big pp clip with your small pp clip

still flume
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they also shoot back so i need to QE not just lie my fat stomach on floor

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different difficulties maybe

balmy cargo
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Like I said, all I just want is you getting 100 kills with sniper only.

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when will you follow basic instructions

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?

still flume
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full invasion and open map

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and deal

balmy cargo
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i dont care what you want to do

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go get 100 kills

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on snipers only

still flume
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you would be surprised but thats impossible to do in matches that ends in 7 mins

balmy cargo
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already excuses rofl

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Ok I accept your concession. I win the argument gg

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no more responses from me

still flume
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dont run

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its still going

still flume
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bro your aim shake so hard on your clip too

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are you under stress?

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first time multi?

balmy cargo
still flume
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may be its just cold

balmy cargo
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Muted btw. Unmute when you show me 100 kills. ok bye

still flume
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keep warm bro

still flume
versed plover
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the only thing I want for snipers right now is a reason to choose other snipers besides the L96 or the M200 the other snipers are just worse versions of these two

still flume
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finally, some good fucking takes

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sadly oki was kicked out of math class when he was on school

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im was saying that billion years ago and you need to have at least 60iq to notice that

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oki doesnt want to have "straight upgrades" in his game, thats why he maded worst attachments balance in gamedev
meanwhile, he have "straight upgrades" in guns

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what a legend

vital crown
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@still flume @balmy cargo

Both of your clips are good, though Matoi's is in a more chaotic environment.

Regardless, if plays like these are "basic", then doesn't that support the idea that snipers are viable in the current meta?

balmy cargo
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My thesis is not that you can't make good plays, its that these plays are substantially harder. Far more than it should be.

vital crown
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Trails were Oki's way of pushing snipers in the long range role, which falls in line with the current design philosophy of forcing weapons to be only effective in their range niche (something I disagree with).

balmy cargo
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The risk/reward ratio is considerably worse for mid/close range sniping, basically. The clips make it look broken when it really isn't.

vital crown
balmy cargo
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You have to find people actively not paying attention and land everything perfectly. Even then, I died at the end so shrug

vital crown
balmy cargo
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You could get more and faster kills just running around with any other class.

vital crown
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Yes, but what about deaths?

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My base expectation for any gun is to go 1:1 assuming I'm fighting players off equal skill.

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Close range sniping is without a doubt more risky than long range, and there is less room for error due to time between shots.

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However, there are two things I want to point out.

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The first is something that we have discussed and I believe we agree on.

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  1. I don't like the idea of weapons being forced into a range niche, but the weapon balance changes since release have been pushing in that direction. If snipers no longer become viable in close range, that is by design.
balmy cargo
# vital crown Yes, but what about deaths?

Right. Assuming we're talking mid/close range...

Any gun that doesn't need to "pump" like the sniper rifle does is far less punishing for missing. The 1:1 is really dependent on player skill but if they are dead even: Support wins every fight because of the armor. If we include cheese guns such as RPGs then engineer ofc.

vital crown
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  1. The OHKO potential, especially at higher skill levels cannot be understated. Sniper naturally has the highest peak potential.
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The higher damage a weapon can dish out within an instant, the more reward they can get from each peak.

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If you miss a bullet, you go back into cover during the down time, and then you can dish out another attempt at a 1HKO. Of course other weapons can do this, but none can be both as deadly and minimize time vulnerable as the sniper can.

balmy cargo
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Long range is a different story ofc.

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I have no comments on that as that was never my point to begin with.

icy fulcrum
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the time you take between each kill also needs to be taken into account.

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you still have to chamber each bullet on a sniper.

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for high rate of fire weapon, the time it takes between each kill takes is significantly less time.

balmy cargo
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The time to chamber is so long you can easily get something built

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and play it out

icy fulcrum
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so it all comes down to range, IMO, and i think just the glint was enough for counterplay.

vital crown
balmy cargo
vital crown
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So you think it's not even viable.

balmy cargo
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It's "viable" in the sense that you have to put in 4x more effort than any other gun in the game for average results.

icy fulcrum
vital crown
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@still flume Do you think both short range and long range are broken or just short range?

balmy cargo
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He's a troll that constantly lies, not a good person to ask lol.

icy fulcrum
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guy is actually calling for backup.

vital crown
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In 1v1s, I generally had more success, but I've only had success against groups when I have a group with me.

vital crown
balmy cargo
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Nobody knows what his position is, he changes his mind every day

vital crown
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That seems like a hyperbole.

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I remember their position at the beginning saying that the change was an overall buff to long range snipers because of the glint changes.

balmy cargo
vital crown
balmy cargo
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And again, moderate success isn't saying much. All those clips I have of me popping off have hella unfortunate deaths just from trying to be at the right spot at the right time. If I played long range? Wouldn't have to deal with that.

balmy cargo
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We're here giving feedback that it sucks. Just because it's the design doesn't mean it's good.

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That's our job as the community

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Giving feedback on stuff like this

vital crown
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Close range sniping has absolutely been nerfed, but to Oki's ears, this is no different than. . . you know exactly what I'm going to say. I've been beating this dead horse for so long.

vital crown
still flume
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@balmy cargoprepare your ass

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daddy played full invasion

vital crown
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Oh...

still flume
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bot

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first try<
american 160 ping<
night map even lol<
@balmy cargo and who else asked

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balmy cargo
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I mean I really respect him for making the game we all enjoy in the first place. It's his game and he can do whatever he wants and it's always good to see an indie dev running a game like this instead of AAA orgs. Even if he decides to destroy sniper rifles permanently I'll still have nothing but respect for what he made in the first place. But yeah, using "design design design" as an argument is v weak when it might not actually be fun in practice.

still flume
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call me so i can proof that was full game

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@vital crown tell him

vital crown
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Do you have a recording/stream?

still flume
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yea

vital crown
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@balmy cargo Matoi says to you, "call me so i can proof that was full game".

still flume
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i just clipped every 5 minute

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prooves how confident i was lol

balmy cargo
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Here we go again

still flume
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yet again noobs got bitchslapped

vital crown
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They posted a screenshot of a scoreboard going 114-19 as recon.

still flume
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they<

still flume
balmy cargo
vital crown
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@still flume Were you running long or short range recon?

balmy cargo
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It only took you 1 week to hit triple digits

still flume
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first try

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this is the first game where i played full sniper

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just for you noobbo

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now dream about getting same score for your whole life

vital crown
still flume
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reaching it every game and ppl cant believe that i can reach it on buffed recon

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lmao the guys was telling me turn off the laser they can see you

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i forgot that on night everyone see the laser

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wasnt care anyway

vital crown
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Can I see the clips too?

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I want to see what this looks like.

still flume
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@balmy cargo call me so i can show you full game

balmy cargo
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Post it

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I'm not calling you

vital crown
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We could join a VC.

still flume
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so you can spread the truth across all noobs

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yea come

vital crown
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I'll be on in 5 min.

balmy cargo
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Just post it here so everyone can see

still flume
balmy cargo
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its ok post whichever was ur favorite

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thats more than enough

still flume
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wasnt bothering with full record

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you also can learn something from it

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too dangerous

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may be you would even able to kill me once

balmy cargo
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I've learned more than enough from you, rofl

still flume
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come voice noob

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you dont need to speak

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you spoke enough

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you can flex in your school that you forced matoi himself to do something for you

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(even if its i just wanted to play full isle sniper game once in week)

balmy cargo
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You want me to spend time with you on voice

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specifically

still flume
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so cool it was US ping + night
completely rekt

balmy cargo
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when u can post it here and just show everyone

still flume
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yea

balmy cargo
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ok

still flume
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its 10 clips bro

vital crown
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I'll join.

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I'll speak too.

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Which VC? ENG or will you create a squad one?

quasi cairn
strong epoch
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This thread has literally devolved into high-school-level shithousery. ffs

still flume
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cry

strong epoch
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I'm not even picking sides and you're still casting yourself in the villain role. Epic

balmy cargo
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Matoi isn't a villain he's a hero

still flume
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nobody noticing the moment they becoming matoi fan after being matoi hater so be careful

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also im new lord of this topic because there is nothing else left to proove by me

vital crown
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Matoi is not the hero we need, but the one we deserve.

torpid trout
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I'm neither a fan nor a hater, I just don't think Matoi is playing battlebit, even after seeing clips of him playing what appears to be battlebit

atomic hill
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In the current balance, non m200 snipers really should be given the pickaxe as a default additional gadget.

Perhaps using a medium range scope should give access to a brickwall buildable. Being able to quickly tap out holes would enable aggressive sniping. (For balancing lmgs can be a counter)

For long range the binos need to have better zoom so they can enable passive-agressive 6x users that slowly push up and aren't at the edge of the map.

still flume
uneven jackal
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Yall really need to stop nerfing snipers almost every update it already feels like absolute sh*t to use them now and it gets worse every single time.

tardy shale
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Sniper is bad rn, make the trail less noticeable

hearty crow
uneven jackal
# tardy shale Sniper is bad rn, make the trail less noticeable

That or up the damage. with the scope glare (even on the 4Xs now), the thermals not working through smokes, the trail, the fact that everyone flocks to one of two of the games snipers, and the apperant hatred the devs have for their games sniper community theres a many reasons to buff the snipers instead of nerfing them in every way imaginable. Your hemorrhaging players with how stale the games getting with variety and the comnstant nerfs to several gun classes.

tardy shale
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Damage is fine

uneven jackal
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if im stuck with a trail that gives me away from every angle it better be a damn one shot to body because this sh*t is fkn crazy

tardy shale
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Make the trail start out 200 or 300m in front of the barrel

uneven jackal
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that or make it less opaque so its harder to see

hearty crow
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they should just pick one trails or glint

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either remove med scope glint and make long range glint have like 1 sec before it kicks in ADSing or yeet the trails

uneven jackal
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or maybe just not have a dumb a** glint at all

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its a dumb game mechanic that is highly unrealistic at the level they use it at

tardy shale
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Glint is fine, trail is a bit much

uneven jackal
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its should just be one or the other

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minus the 4X glint since it litterally only applies if your using a bolt sniper

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doesnt appear on dmrs, lmgs, ars, smgs or anything but the sniper rifles

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either make your sh*t consistant or dont add stupid mechanics at all

hearty crow
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like dmrs can kill the same range as med scope snipers and don't get glint

uneven jackal
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but thats my p*ssed off rant for the day

hearty crow
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no worries

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mine are longer

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much much longer

uneven jackal
hearty crow
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M110 might even do it better then sniper cause can spam shots rather then need 1 headshot

uneven jackal
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they dont seem to know wtf theyre doing because theyre playcating the lmg and ar guys who complain about getting hs by snipers

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meanwhile ignoring the sniper side of the community

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playtest sniper was better beacuse it actully felt plausable for long periods of time not i ads for half a second and get f*cked by anyone 180 degrees in front of me

hearty crow
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also that pointless 2k noise need to get booted

uneven jackal
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yeah

still flume
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snipers nerfed<
easiest 3 digit kills<
nobody gives a shit because they rarely do double digit<

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the same way nobody gives a shit about your trail nobody track you using it

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most of the players on this topic playing only sniper and being trash even at that, infinatry gameplay got nerfed so hard youll never know when you gonna get ton of dmg or die

sonic anchor
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how did infantry get nerfed lol

still flume
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arguing with that is having 30iq, previously you always see insane glare, you also know at who is sniper was focused, you just begin do cracked mouse moves and you are fine

sonic anchor
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i don't think that is grammatically correct nor does it make a lot of sense logically but go on

still flume
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only trash snipers doesnt know that

molten moon
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Know what?

still flume
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stop playing from only one perspective and crying

still flume
# molten moon Know what?

snipers a ton more annoying now for actual players, esp for pro who flanks, meanwhile they are much free now, only enemy sniper is care about you now pretty much

molten moon
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How are they free?

still flume
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nobody gives a shit about trail

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you just shoot and dont sit and you are immortal

molten moon
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Who's saying that?

still flume
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even enemy snipers are ton less scarier, its much harder to spot you know, i easily see many moments when im doing multikill being fully open for enemy sniper but we both doesnt pay attention and just farm

still flume
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wait not even im, fucking gameplay

molten moon
still flume
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too hard to notice such deatils for lowtabs

still flume
# molten moon Stats?

easiest 3 digit kills on sniper every game, when on previous patch it was something hard

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thats all the matter

molten moon
still flume
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upper

molten moon
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So I can believe you

still flume
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scroll

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showed 2 guys a full vid also

molten moon
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Ok, now what about the other stats?

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Btw, it's not that difficult to get 100+ kills on something like invasion

still flume
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they wasnt believeing that its even possible

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says a lot

still flume
molten moon
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100 kills is definitely possible

still flume
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its easy

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esp with that buff

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you just farm being fully open

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im would die billion more times from my aggressive gameplay if id would do it in glare patch

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but i can do 200

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just need couple of tries instead of one and i came back in game just 1 week ago

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would i able to do in glare meta? hell fucking no

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then how in the world its a nerf

still flume
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game got worse thats all the matter

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SOMEHOW even for them

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which isnt true, game got worse in different thing, but still motivates to cancel the patch

balmy cargo
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But we both agree glint on 4x is dumb dumb

hearty crow
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and i'd say 95% if this chat > some fake sweaty lord of the tryhards wanna be

hearty crow
balmy cargo
still flume
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also i dont play this 2 guns

balmy cargo
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I’ll be fair and give him his credit. People deserve that. But yes he thinks we’re all talking about long range sniping. But I’m specifically only talking about med scopes.

hearty crow
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i'm sure someone can do it. just not you

still flume
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you can do 100 kills per billion games only with them?

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sadly i do 200 with aug, even here you got rekt

still flume
hearty crow
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blah blah blah

hearty crow
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cause you sure are struggling just to make sentences

still flume
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grammar argument💀

hearty crow
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hey you brought up smarts not me

still flume
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i dont believe the truth that was fully prooven💀

hearty crow
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and can't even pass as a 5th grader writing level

still flume
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i suck on sniper and crying about buff 💀

hearty crow
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shame

still flume
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google the psychology thingy named projection brother

hearty crow
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prooven? is that some new kind of soup? can i try it?

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oh man can't wait for this killer comeback

still flume
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try getting on my skill lvl, you will magically agree with every of my takes

hearty crow
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no no no no don't duck the question buddy

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what is prooven?

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i'm sooooooo curious?

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is that like Russian code for "i'm a dick?"

still flume
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my easiest first try 114 kill only sniper game with 160 ping

hearty crow
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aaaaaaaaaaand care why?

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i wanna know what prooven is

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can't seem to find it in the dictionary

still flume
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its so hilarious that you still want to make excuses of how i did it

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114 kills with mp7 really

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im would do 300 lmao

hearty crow
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hey

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prooven

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what is it?

still flume
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also why im wasnt sending it for whole week when im getting 3 digit every game

hearty crow
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prooven prooven prooven

still flume
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holy shit im just clapping you now

hearty crow
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i wanna know what prooven is

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come on tell me

still flume
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proof

hearty crow
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no proof is proof. you wrote prooven

still flume
hearty crow
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hey you a hacker now?

still flume
hearty crow
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tell me my ingame name?

hearty crow
molten moon
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Wtf are y'all even arguing about?

hearty crow
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nothing

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i'm just trolling

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he my favorite lolcow

still flume
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0.30 kd is a mindset not a stat

hearty crow
still flume
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penises

hearty crow
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nope

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boobs

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faker exposed

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molten moon
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Take this shit into DMs if y'all are going to argue

still flume
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🧐

hearty crow
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hey buddy i haven't played in 2 weeks no skin off my back

still flume
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☹️

balmy cargo
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Bros we all agree mid range scopes are shit can we go back to begging Oki to fix it and everything else in the game?

hearty crow
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sure

still flume
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ping me when mid range scopes gonna impact my game the same way trails patch did

hearty crow
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matoi wont win
hey he admits he sucks

still flume
hearty crow
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i had beef with med scope glint

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trails would make it worse so i didn't care to try

still flume
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shitter literally aint even played the game and says that im doesnt when i have full vids 💀

hearty crow
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wow not only grammer but memory problems

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that was someone else

still flume
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anyway?

hearty crow
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might want to mentally keep track of your conversations

still flume
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shut the fuck up you should be banned in this thread

hearty crow
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oh did i hit a nerve? i guess you do have memory problems then

still flume
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look guys im so funny im aint played shit + im trash but hear me out

hearty crow
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little to close to irl me sorriez 🙂

hearty crow
still flume
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avg battlebit community balance conversation

  • noobs
  • shitters
  • 0.30 kds
  • 1 km+ snipers
  • aint even played it after playtests
  • cant count higher than 3 (even oki able to 4)
  • doesnt believe the facts, instead believe complete sharts with 0 grounding
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what else

sonic anchor
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kat 🍿

hearty crow
still flume
still flume
hearty crow
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i know what i said

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also congrats on making the grade school "you can't judge food unless you can cook and you can't judge a movie unless you make film" fallacy

still flume
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you not even tasted to food in that terms

wide hamlet
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sniping is kinda ass rn

hearty crow
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yup

still flume
hearty crow
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do it pussy

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no balls

wide hamlet
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lets see the vapor trails

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aside from sniping being kinda shit now because snipers are exposed before, during, and after their shot, it's pretty obvious that there's only two choices for snipers and everything else is just garbage

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and it would be cool if it wasnt like that tbh

hearty crow
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i'd say maybe 3 choices

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M200, L96, and kind of the SV-99 only cause 10 rounds and moves the fastest

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well other then the L96 with short mag

wide hamlet
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doesnt l96 have 10 rounds by default or am i mistaken?

hearty crow
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yeah but its slow with ten

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short mag gives you 6 but you can keep up with smgs in running speed

wide hamlet
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ah ok

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the ssg also fulfills a 3rd, funnier niche

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it's the only one that has a 1x scope so you wont glint

hearty crow
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wait

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that would explain why i kept getting bonked by that gun

wide hamlet
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im not actually sure if it doesnt glint but im like 90% sure it doesnt

hearty crow
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i thought people were just being edgelords with the sythe skin

wide hamlet
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it wouldnt make sense if it did

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wait no

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not SSG

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the sv-99

hearty crow
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oh

wide hamlet
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i only said ssg because i just prestiged and im reminded about how ass this gun is

hearty crow
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yup

wide hamlet
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literally no redeeming qualities

hearty crow
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hmm sv-99 has a red dot? neat. might fire up the game and give that a try

wide hamlet
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be warned: it's still 1x lol

hearty crow
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better then irons that i tried

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i tag a guy at 800m with canted red dot. course was a sniper duel so was poppin his glint

wide hamlet
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lol

hearty crow
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i'm definatly not hitting no none glint peeps at that range

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with 1x

wide hamlet
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the shrimp posture is a pathway to many snipes some consider to be unnatural

hearty crow
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i was born with the shrimp posture. molded by it. i didn't sit in a straight arc until i was but a man

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whelp i'm gonna need glasses in the not to distant future

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but for the sake of no glint

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totally worth 👍

red sun
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Just completely ignore matai and invis. They want the pings and attention. They are sub room temp iq, think they are brilliant, while actively trying to stop drool from landing on the keyboard, stop giving him what he wants.

still flume
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arguments ended? start the copium

red sun
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Y’all hear something?

still flume
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choose your hero of rejecting the truth:
matoi is a troll
matoi is attention seeker
matoi is lying

red sun
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I mean you are doing all three. Sorry you don’t like your reflection when it’s shown to you.

past snow
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Matoi is a cringelord

eager osprey
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the most embarrassing person on this server since kafka

sonic anchor
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he even outdone kafka in my eyes HyperXD

past snow
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at least kafka was able to spell correctly

sonic anchor
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man you can't do the guy like that

strong epoch
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goodness, still carrying on here?

vital crown
still flume
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the harder you slap the bitch the louder it screams

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if im gonna post 200 kill sniper game they gonna cry for 1 week

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new river gonna be created

red sun
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Dang yall hear something?

vital crown
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Bro, if you're going to ignore people, then actually ignore them.

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Doing this passive-aggressive goober-ass shit just defeats the purpose, no?

past snow
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A team nobody fucking wished for 💀

still flume
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team of brain vs team of braindead

red sun
vital crown
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🎪

red sun
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strange, i keep getting new message notifications, but there is nothing new here

past snow
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weird to name your own team braindead but go on

still flume
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@vital crown you can quit the team, not any man can hold such for long, im fine just by myself

vital crown
hearty crow
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guess i'll resist the urge to jump on the drama train and do another ramble about what this feedback page is supposed to be about

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so when i look at the problem of the sniper i don't find personal experience helpful. the sweaty tryhards going "see i can get 100 kills" or the people that have 3 homies with them at all times baby sitting their sorry ass don't know about you but where i come from that is called getting carried doesn't magically invalidate other people's experience of feeling like shit using sniper.
like i know people that get 100+ kills with sledgehammer and unlocked all the skins that won't make me suddenly feel that using a sledgehammer will magically override any of the cons of doing so
i tend to look at games through the lenses do things reward or punish the player for engaging in them as that tends to be a more objective stance then "muh personal experience man"

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players tend to not mind being punished so much when it comes to being punished for their mistakes. it gives them a sense of control and
pre nerfs players felt like they were being unfairly punished by snipers and post nerfs people feel unfairly punished for even using a sniper

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snipers are punished for even ADSing their gun giving away their position. that is not them making a mistake its them engaging with the core fundamental part of the game

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trails and 2k sound are also being punished for engaging with the core mechanic of the game called firing your gosh dang weapon

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now of these 3 i'd say, ironically enough, trails are the least problematic as it tends to punish missed shots and snipers biting off more then they can chew. be no different if you snuck up behind someone with a AR or SMG and missed your shots or opened fire on 5 people and the sound of the gun gave you away

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the part that is unfair is ARs and SMGs can use silencers so people will be less likely to notice their missed shots or others will be less likely to notice when their allies are picked off

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snipers get no equivalence to this

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and i'd say if you get an attachment, so snipers have their equivalent to the silencer, to remove trails it should come with the draw back of less bullet velocity. like how silencers come with the drawback of recoil, but since recoil doesn't matter on snipers only bullet velocity would matter

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med scope glint and 2k sound should be removed entirely i think snipers would find this acceptable

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as for the other side of the coin

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why do people feel punished by snipers and why does it feel so bad?

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well lets see what play styles snipers punish

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they punish predictable movement and players being static

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and as i said players don't like when they are being punished for things that aren't their mistakes

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so my guess would be in some way people are being forced into predicable movement or being static

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best example is old dusty dunes

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you have to run at least 200m or 300m between objectives in a wide open space

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so people are forced to run these long open routes in a predicable line making them easy targets for snipers just for the fact they are trying to play the objective

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like sure they could zig zag run 300m or make a massive smoke trail or maybe have to build a massive tunnel to avoid getting sniped but that is an unrealistic expectation

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another example is invasion or even rush

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people are forced to take static positions in order to try and defend the objective

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and the safe zone are so close just lets snipers chill uncontested picking away at people

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unlike safe zones in conquest or domi where you can only really contest 1 or 2 objectives as a sniper, and capturing those objectives isn't even necessary to win they could hold all the other points instead, with only really worrying about other snipers rush and invasion allows snipers to threaten all objectives with the only threat being other snipers

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like i seriously doubt anybody has a problem with snipers on Namak

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like sure i see an aggressive sniper here and there and i even sometimes pick sniper when the safe zone is getting camped, but their effect is negligible

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i'd probably say the issue might be more map design and game mode then sniper op please nerf

still flume
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important note
this☝️ guy have more hours in this chat than he have in game on past 2 weeks

hearty crow
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tell me why i'm wrong instead of crying

still flume
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just small note

hearty crow
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if your hours matter so much you can easy point out why i'm incorrect rather then taking a jab at me

still flume
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you must at least play the game after update to feel the changes, esp if you are not experienced as me, even i wont let myself shart w.o testings

hearty crow
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hmm nothing about how i'm wrong. just vain posturing

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go figure

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anyways back to my rambling

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also think a problem might be lack of knowledge on some peoples part. there really isn't a tutorial or many guides out there to help people understand and use of different tools for different situations out there

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best example is i can count on my hand how often a commander puts down a spawn beacon on a map

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and i'm sure a lot of people can sympathies with this frustration when playing with randos

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i'm sure its not cause people don't want to put down a spawn beacon

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like who doesn't want a nice spawn closer to the fighting

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its just they don't know they can or don't know how and there isn't really any place you can learn that in game and you might learn it if you go out of your way on youtube looking for tips to play the game. or someone with a mike in game walks you through it

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people just don't know or wouldn't think they can use cover to block sniper sight lines cause not like any place in the game explains that feature to them

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the firing range kind of helps learn the gun play but not much else

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and why would someone use smoke nades when they can get dopamine hits from getting kills with frags. people probably just go smoke nade doesn't kill why would i use it?
cause it probably doesn't cross their mind that smoke can be used to cover their movement and block snipers line of sight helping them.

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so imo i think looking at map design, gamemode design, and giving people insight to the tools they have and add sniper specific pings to better mitigate the sniper threat might be a better way to handle the "sniper crisis" rather then punishing snipers for just trying to play the game

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the focus should always be to reward and incentives players to take action against a problem. like the trophy system did for grenade spam. rather then punishing players trying to use weapons like the sniper

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whelp guess i'm off to fire up the game. wanted to go back to using mgs with bipods at 200m and see how i like the heavy barrel on curtain weapons

formal lynx
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the game never even tells you about the comms wheel unless you happen to look at the controls

wild lake
hallow night
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wow matoi never disappoints Clap

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now im curious who this kafka fella is

still flume
red sun
red sun
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Honestly snipers in general are why I bring smoke on support, I can just block long lines of sight for basically the entire match with ammo and 4 grenades at the start. Set up a smoked choke with a bipod m249, basically fish in a barrel.

eager osprey
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i wish i was being hyperbolic

cobalt gazelle
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Been playing some more Recon, R700, trying to get a feel for things
Good grief, I need practice lol

still flume
hallow night
sonic anchor
vital crown
hearty crow
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thanks for proving my point 👍

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can't argue your way out of a wet paper bag

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gg ez no re concession accepted

eager osprey
vital crown
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You're no different than Mikey boy over here; your claims are just unsubstantiated hogwash.

hearty crow
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i see a lot of hot air but no substance

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what part of what i've said is hogwash?

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man this better be a bomb shell with how long its taking

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today sunshine

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you silence is deafening

formal lynx
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Can y’all stop having internet slap fights

hearty crow
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i'm trying to debate the feedback's topic and he's running like a bitch

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if he gonna say i'm full of it he better bring receipts

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well we are either goinna have a bible dropped on us or he can't make up his mind what he's gonna say

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whelp done waiting i gotta eat

vital crown
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You're such a clown, lmao.
You expect others to take you seriously when you initiate with insults and then proceed to repeatedly pull shit out your arsehole to suit your fabricated narratives.

The most egregious was your accusation that I do not care about the limits on claymores to discredit me entirely. This is something that could have been easily disproven by a basic search on Discord.

vital crown
wide hamlet
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oh my god are you nerds still fighting

vital crown
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Ye

hearty crow
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also holy shit it took you about 1 hour to right just that!? sad. keep on running like a bitch

sonic anchor
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🍿 kat

hearty crow
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is that salted or buttered popcorn? 🤔

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guess there is plenty of salt around for the former lol

sonic anchor
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idk it just appeared in my hand

vital crown
vital crown
hearty crow
vital crown
hearty crow
vital crown
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The changes to long range scopes outweigh the nerf the trail brings.

hearty crow
vital crown
hearty crow
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if you actually read my rants you would actually know my position on things

vital crown
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Short range is a different story. It was nerfed, but that's because of the recent design philosophy that also had SMGs nerfed.

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Basically you want to have your cake and eat it too.

hearty crow
vital crown
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As long as other weapons have their ranges nerfed, fighting against snipers out of their niche that are just as effective is going to feel like shit.

hearty crow
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what do you mean by nerfed?

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what range would you rather have it?

vital crown
hearty crow
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that still doesn't tell me much

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what range in your opinion should say a M4 and a UMP45 kill at?

vital crown
# hearty crow what do you mean by nerfed?

I would rather everything be restored to what they were pre-release. However, if the devs insist on enforcing range niches, then snipers need to be forced in long range.

vital crown
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That means more leading on distant targets.

hearty crow
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so you think an M4 and UMP45 can kill at 500m?

vital crown
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Even pre-nerf, ARs have double SMG velocity, they needed to lead much less.

vital crown
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Punishing them by making their bullets to 8 damage is just not my style.

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And most don't play BattleBit for realism such as energy loss due to friction.

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I'm speaking strictly balance.

hearty crow
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ok so you want snipers to be pushed to range correct?

vital crown
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For balance

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At least in the pre-release, while there was damage fall-off on all weapons, it really wasn't too bad.

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For most gunfights.

hearty crow
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also want to point out. isn't it nice that we can finally just talk things out rather then feeling the need to dunk on each other

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sorry if i came off as an arse before actually hearing your side kind of makes sense now

vital crown
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I appreciate the sentiment.

hearty crow
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ok so my beef has always been med scope glint

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i don't mind the trails

vital crown
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Medium scope glint isn't even present in the 200 meter mark iirc.

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I know why players will be bothered by it.

hearty crow
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yes but it you said you wanted snipers to be forced to fight at range right?

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med scope glint forces me to fight under 200ms

vital crown
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Yeah, that was a paradoxical change.

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The idea here was that players didn't enjoy being one shot by areas with no indication.

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Pre-patch, medium scopes were busted in the sense that they could be used for long range sniping, but without giving the target a heads-up.

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Personally, I don't like the idea of enforcing range, and as seen by the post linked previously, I would rather all balance changes be reverted back to day 1.

hearty crow
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not gonna lie i'm kind of starting to miss day 1 myself right now

vital crown
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Yeah...

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I've loved all the QoL changes.

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But want much of the balance ones to be reverted.

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Exceptions would be general buffs to classes and underperforming weapons

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I welcome those.

hearty crow
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same

hearty crow
vital crown
hearty crow
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probably

vital crown
hearty crow
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there is way too much waaaaaaah it killed me so it must be unfair waaaaaah out there

vital crown
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I love RPGs and hate that people are calling for its nerf too.

hearty crow
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same

vital crown
sonic anchor
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rpg shotgunning 🤮

hearty crow
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wat

sonic anchor
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yes

vital crown
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In my case, I was frustrated with the calls to nerfs and changes that people had been calling for, that I started making facetious feedback to showcase the absurdity of what people were calling for.

sonic anchor
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for reference
i start shooting a guy, we are within 3m of each other in a building
i get 3 shots in with my mp7
he then jumps up with his rpg in hand points it downwards and kills me, to just walk away afterwards
the rpg was below his feet and he didn't die

hearty crow
hearty crow
sonic anchor
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not to mention the sniping being done with them, but that's at least somewhat logical
tho be it the frag should be better at that than the frag...

vital crown
hearty crow
vital crown
hearty crow
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cause this was my first impression basically

vital crown
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I don't want them to nerf the fun aspects of RPGs though to curb that one issue. Just as I didn't want them to neuter other aspects of the game to remedy other problems.

hearty crow
vital crown
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IMO standard frag is just underpowered.

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I accidentally had it equipped on engineer, shot a rocket right at someone's feet and they didn't die.

hearty crow
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wat

vital crown
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Yeah

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Shit is straight ass.

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Heat is in a good spot, I think. You have to be pretty close for a 1HKO.

hearty crow
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though i will say i tried it on a domi map and could kill someone with it to save my life

vital crown
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Frag, you can be right next to them, and it will tickle them.

hearty crow
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yup

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anyways

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i sort of just want med scope glint removed maybe they can do something to stop aggressive snipers. that i can get behind

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i will say the map designs getting better

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always liked BB maps

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feel like real places rather then some abomination a bunch of suits built in a lab like CoD maps did

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but they kind of lead to having maps that kind of leaned into snipers being a pain

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probably where most the issues come from like people probably have no issue with snipers on Tenssetown, Namak, or Distract, but old Basra, old DustyDunes was just oof

hearty crow
vital crown
formal lynx
vital crown
sonic anchor
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5/10 no "skill issue" used

strong epoch
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I ain't gonna read allat as im a bit ill today, but can I assume the conversation ended somewhat amicably this time?

hearty crow
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you'd be correct

formal lynx
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Very uncharacteristic for this community

hearty crow
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what can i say. caught me on a day i didn't feel like being a dick 🤷‍♂️

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ok not true, was kind of toxic in the beginning

strong epoch
hearty crow
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i turned off troll mode and went hyper debate mode

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when you make a case that isn't hiding behind "gite gude" or "skill issue bruh" i tend to be more receptive

red sun
balmy cargo
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What am i reading

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There’s no discussion needed med scopes suck ass on sniper rifles undo nerfs

hearty crow
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i agree

balmy cargo
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Long range sniping = Fine
Med range sniping = Shit
Close range sniping = Shit

Trails and glint completely unnecessary for med range. The one person who plays with non-magnified sights probably wants to off himself. The long range players are haven’t showered in days so they don’t care.

strong epoch
eager osprey
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remove glint from med scopes
remove the ability to zero in from med scopes

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there, now close range sniping is something you have to spec into, that'll sacrifice your ability to snipe at longer ranges

static merlin
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For me I considered 250m-100m close range sniping

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Glint on med scopes r fine tbh

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Just remove trails

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But maybe make it most powerful around 500-600m?

static merlin
hearty crow
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i'd rather keep trails and remove med scope glint. i think peeps underestimate how hard it is to hit people at 300m+ with med scope.

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400m ~ 500m is about has far as i can push it, but the character models are smaller then my crosshairs. even that super clean + i have to tilt myself sideways, otherwise the crosshair covers the whole body and use the persons body to sort of guess if my icon's even on their head. also cause you can only zero by every 100m those extra 20m or so meters a person is actually sitting at can make my shot whiff.
i might usually always hit the guy but my head shot kills are kind of like 25% at the range. which will just make the guy take cover and all i did was give him a heads up snipers can reach him where he is

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the only consistent kills at 300m+ was other snipers scope glint with med scope

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and with new trails you basically are giving yourself away even if you are sniping at 400m with med scope so glint really isn't necessary

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i'd rather be punished for missed shots, not killing the target, or my kill being noticed by other people then being given away for the simple crime of ADSing

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especially when DMRs are kind of just as deadly at 200m ~ 400m and they get no glint for some flippin reason

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but they can spam body shots and don't need to be super careful to make sure to get that head shot

hearty crow
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what can i say i'm a former halo sweaty tryhard. trails don't bug me

still flume
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ppl trying to outsmart both themselfs and my suggestion of just making everything as it was before trails update (in terms of snipers only ofc)

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keep wasting time idk but there is literally nothing better than doing this

eager osprey
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since you can zero in

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many people, including myself, have gotten kills further out than 1km with med scopes

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if glint was to be removed from them, zeroing in needs to go as well

hearty crow
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i mean i've hit them little white dots at over 1k myself

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but as i said

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20m makes a bigger difference in missing the head shot at 400m+ with med scope due to not seeing as far and even a clean scope is bigger optics then what you are aiming at

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300m is about as far as i can get with any consistency. 400m+ is a crap shoot. sure you can do it and if you manage to do so with any consistency that is mad skill on that persons part

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i'm sure there are people landing 800m+ with red dot and irons. don't punish the average player cause there are crazy monsters out there that would land the shot probably regardless what you try and do

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500m and under with trails is enough to give a person away.

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just cause you can zero doesn't make a shot on a person 440m out any easier to hit cause that 40m makes a world of difference when you are aiming at a pixel smaller then your optic is

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even if you theoretically got rid of zeroing that would just mean players would have to learn to guess aiming higher. not hard with a bit of firing range practice and the range finder still tells you just how far the shot is

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i had to make a quick shot at 400m and my gun was zeroed to 600m and i managed to make up the difference without changing the zeroing and land the head shot required

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zeroing helps sure but its not the be all that ends all

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specially since the M200 is nearly a straight line up to 500m

balmy cargo
static merlin
hearty crow
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for me if you going to fight with a sniper 0 ~ 200m there are iron sights and red dots for that. med scope range is 200~400

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also imo med scopes kind of keep those safe-zone, 800m+ and island snipers in check cause those guys you can't help but get in their line of sight in order to counter snipe them and with glint on med scope it just turns into a peek a boo war.
before nerfs i could get slightly inside their scope slight line and as long as they not paying attention bonk them.
with trails if your first shot doesn't count, which a lot of times it doesn't, the trail will allow the long scope sniper to find you easy and you are punished for missing with an annoying peek a boo fight which he has the advantage at cause he can see you easier cause your character model will be larger for him then it will be for med scope

red sun
red sun
# hearty crow i'm sure there are people landing 800m+ with red dot and irons. don't punish the...

Balance being revolved around 5 dudes that are on adderal and no job are shit in general. The little bird nerfs because two or three no life’s have made it to where I can spawn in consistently to them, cause everyone just no longer tries because there really is no point for the average player even attempting it, just because 5 dudes can hit the occasional 500+ with a medium scope is not a reason to nerf everyone else, it just means 5 dudes are rewarded for gasp being good at the game.

hearty crow
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yup. its how i see it

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like if you want consistent 500m+ shots you will use long range scope. they are defiantly better to use now
if you are trying to do so with med scope you will miss more and the more you miss the more trails there will be for people to follow so you gonna give yourself away

nocturne smelt
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It's not unplayable or anything but it makes med range sniping a lot less viable because absolutely everyone can see where you are as soon as you shoot one infantry

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And I can build a fort and position myself right and still get a lot of kills on enemy infantry, especially in frontlines and invasion, but it's still overkill

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I primarily snipe infantry and only counter snipe if necessary

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im suggested it billion times, obv more messages was about explaining why it should be done
i guess sorry? for not being groundless water empty words fart machine like yall?

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WHY is much more important in feedback than WHAT

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and seeing the actual reasons instead on going for feeling only like low skill noobs that doesnt even play the game like you do is most important, you doesnt even need to suggest something if you explained the dev why changes should be done, good dev is capable of finding solution by himself

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also ruining my rep across noname lowtab bozos lmaaaaooooo
also its reverting buffs not the nerfs, l2p before talkin g

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only my rep across devs matter, if devs will listen not the facts but "who has more rep in community lol" or not listen words but the way you give the words - game gonna die no matter what

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problem is devs aren't gamers. kind of of a difference between programming, modeling and what not isn't the same as actually knowing how to balance a game. you clearly have never been around fps like destiny or any fighting game ever to make to make such an ignorant statement of "devs should know everything and how to fix it".

by all means feel free to list a game that came out since dlc and patches became a thing where the devs didn't have to go back and tweak something they didn't get right on the first try or changed something cause their "hot fix" made the experience worse.
go ahead. i'll wait

and lets not forget the context in which these devs come from. not only is this their first game ever so they are rookies making a passion project, but they also wanted to make an fps for low end PCs. why? cause their PCs are low end and struggled to play games like BF. so a lot of things are trial and error
like they nerfed Honey Badger after play testing cause it was considered to strong, then it was memed as worst gun in the game and they went back and buffed it

hearty crow
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channels i mean

hearty crow
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# hearty crow you said you were talking directly to Oki? seems like you are talking to me thou...

ok ill explain, as always
feedback channels created directly for moments when devs want to hear community about "thing name"
and if they want they just check it
checking dms with random bullshit ppl can type in it is nearly pointless
obv i dislike using this channels too, because i not only should deal with making all the game problems clear as possible but also should deal with bozos like you
but its ok, ill handle it

hearty crow
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what's a shoul?

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i think oki should ban anyone in feedback who is lower than at least 2 kpm and 3 kd, because he was listening someone like you for all the time and we ended on drop to 7k daily peak

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only half of the year of game being released on steam and we already on the edge of death, thanks for your contribution guys

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oki is dumm too, but you guys one of the worst in community feedback terms out of all i was in (and i was in a ton of them)

hearty crow
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muh personal experience again

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as if that actually matters

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funniest shit was all of you crying about how OP medic was (never was) and now its literally worst class with only reason to choose - if you want to farm points from heals (which kinda fits the design, but doesnt change the fact HOW and WHY it came to it)
and assault now is literally what medic was but on steroids and nobody crying, except i see some ppl STILL want medic nerfs (f u c k i n g lmao)
ALL of this because dumb point of views and blindness of how things actually work, stuffed with low skill and lacking any balance in fps experience

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see

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you cut out the insults and the last 2 sentences and that actually makes sense

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idk if i was you and thats your first shooter pvp game (also if less than 1k hours in total of shooters) im wouldnt even open my mounth guys just saying

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you are alone here mike but go and spread it if you actually care about battlebit future

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comebacking to the sniper topic: oki revert the fucking changes

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week 2 of everybody asking

hearty crow
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thats why im allow you to talk

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kind of why trails don't bother me

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good job mike you are not worst type of feedbacker possible

hearty crow
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only shows that for most ppl - personal part > fact part
learn to ignore it if you want to try your first serious business in your life

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well problem is you tend to never go into the "why" something is the way it is or "why" its a problem. you kind of just assert your point of view and expect it to be taken as fact

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dont take it, there is still flat earthers in our world

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i mean its up to them if they believe you or not

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you obviously aren't going to convince everyone

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question of time

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like i sort of can see why you think Medics getting more nerfs now is over kill and sort of see why you'd say Assault is the new OP if not worse then peak medic, but explaining "why" that is the cause. even just a little bit like saying Medic lack this or Assaults passive buffs are way strong would help others better understand

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its kind of why i do my long rambles is to better communicate with others the point i'm trying to get across

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but if that's too much to ask and your time is limited well that's up to you. just trying to help ya maybe get more people to see you might actually be right about things

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we all are here to try and make the game better after all

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might be better to work together then go full drama mode every time

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eager osprey
hearty crow
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most dangerous sniper is active rotaiting godmode 50-200m 6-8x zoom clapper

strong epoch
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Please stop polluting this thread with your petty, childish bickering and mudslinging. Its a feedback thread, not an Alabama trailer park

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day 99 of waiting at which part im was wrong

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wouldnt be hard and wouldnt mean shit btw, still med scopes is just downgrade

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100 is fine, but i hardly doubt you could go for 200, while with 8x i have no doubt in getting 200 kill game if i gonna spend more time for it

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med scopes is downgrade now
before the patch it was literally look ma im the smartest guy im dodged glare mechanic im just gonna aim for pixels and be ninja (in reality he loses so much that this no glare doesnt mean shit, im ok with it just being the other way of playstyle but nothing more, thats why giving so much attention to it when there is bigger problems is cringe)
also none of the med scopes ever was higher than me in tab
yet again, i bombarded someone with iron proof arguments, what type of crying im gonna get now?

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also day 99 of trying to notice any help from a trail mechanic in spotting the sniper that shooting me (aka that legendary+only argument of nerf everybody cry about) being one of the best players in this game

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guy's unhinged

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# still flume also day 99 of trying to notice any help from a trail mechanic in spotting the s...

then ppl ask me "how its a buff omg" when there is literally nothing more than this mechanic which objectively doesnt do its job in most of the situations if not all of them (maybe my gameplay is too fast and i should have 0.1 kpm to notice that single juicy trail across the map and land that 2km shot im was preparing for 30 mins getting precum after, then getting punished same way instantly (because my spot was trash and im wasnt knowing about it because there is no big ass glare to get instaPunished for being in trash spot like how it was before omg but who cares), then exploding my keyboard in sniper feedback channel in tears)

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while in objective buff side we have insanely lower glare, so much lower that its even hard to notice when sniper stare at you now in some chaotic situations or funny environment

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Matoi with the rate you post in this thread. you could keep it going on your own without any input from the rest of us....

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oh sorry i kinda s.h.a.r.t.e.d. on everything yall was cooking for 2 weeks in this chat in just 5 messages

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It's truly amazing how full of yourself you are

sonic anchor
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🍿 kat

nocturne smelt
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Like sorry you're so bad that ANYTHING giving you away at all makes it so you can't snipe

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Med scope glint made med scopes balanced

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I've literally never sniped from safe zone btw, dunno how you think that would be a good place to snipe infantry from, probably don't play the game much

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There's this group of """stealth snipers""" who before any of these updates would meander around the back lines getting a few kills because no one could see them and now don't play and just complain, iirc that's you

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It's a bad place to shoot infantry tho cuz they're facing you

balmy cargo
nocturne smelt
balmy cargo
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So you think med scopes were balanced and fine before any changes?

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Yup.

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The playstyle med scope encourages is much closer, it was completely fair.

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Just makes it easier to counter snipe people it doesn't change anything else

balmy cargo
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True but if you're 200+m away they can't shoot back

balmy cargo
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Gives them a fair warning, I don't think it made that big an impact

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You can't just ignore that lol

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It makes a huge impact

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I'll give you an example clip

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I did not notice infantry reacting much more tbh but also I flank and snipe so people aren't looking at me as much

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Probably why

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I agree it's a nerf but it's one that gives infantry reasonable counterplay

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And it's only the ones you're aiming at

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Why should a glint give me away? It's already painfully obvious where I am

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You're within 200m of those guys none of them can see your glint

balmy cargo
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People behind them can

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because that's where they funnel in from

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is there really truly a need for a glint here? I don't think so

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I don't see anyone in the clip who can see your glint

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There's a need for it when the sniper is like 400m away because at that range you can't actually see the sniper as an infantry but they can still one shot you easily

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And yeah it's not necessary

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If you know the maps well you as an infantry can know where the snipers will be and block those angles and never get sniped

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But it's a casual game and new players need a more immediate improvement loop "glint looking at me, I should be careful" rather than "ah I've gotten sniped from that spot the last five times I played this map"

balmy cargo
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Med scope glint honestly made my sniping a bit more consistent if anything

balmy cargo
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Not true

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Because now I can see anyone who's trying to counter snipe me

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Before they shoot

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Instead of getting killed by someone prone 500m away that I didn't see

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I specifically say "more consistent" because you can no longer find a cheeky sneaky spot and massacre people

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But any good spot you can avoid getting counter sniped more easily

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You put yourself in risky af spots BUT if you're good enough it's high value

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Yeah I mean, it definitely removed that play style but that's not how I usually played anyway

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I'd rather find a peek where I can only see enemy infantry so I can't get counter sniped

balmy cargo
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Rather than rely on stealth

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Yeah exactly you can't rely on stealth anymore with med scopes, that's the core issue I have

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I had my fair share of games where I found a crazy hiding spot and killed a ton of people as well

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balmy cargo
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You do appear to be fully out in the open so that makes sense

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Yup stuff like that is impossible now

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I don't think glint would've had that big an impact on that clip

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Trails would've fucked you instantly tho

balmy cargo
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Oh yeah noticed the giant clump of people far back

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I can't tell exactly what you're standing on but if you're in a spot where you could put down 1 or 2 barricades that fully solves your problem

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It's about play style tho

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I usually have several friends playing with me and we all snipe together, which makes setting up and holding down a good spot the best strategy

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Several times pre-glint we got wiped by a dude 500m away who none of us could see despite knowing roughly where he was

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Med scope glint hurt solo stealth recons the most

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With glint if you have a few snipers in a good spot you can all just easily counter snipe anyone who has angle on you

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you could do long range sniping with med scopes perfectly fine

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Yeah

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med scopes were objectively better than long range scopes

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Yeah

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People were using med scopes out to like 700m

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Cuz they were better even at that range

torpid trout
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Competitive games do balance around the highest skill players only because they want the competitive matches to be balanced

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But this isn't a competitive game, it's a casual game

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There are people out here that want to genocide sniper rifle players. Lmfao

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good thread

sonic anchor
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gotta love this community

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My man will walk up to any US Sniper IRL and say “you should be ashamed of yourself.”

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It's a whole different set of skills

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Unrelated to proficiency at any given task

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Hmm yeah that's true, now I see what you mean and also agree

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# nocturne smelt Competitive games do balance around the highest skill players only because they ...

trash opinion of someone who never was best in any comp game
devs always balance it around biggest audience (casuals)
but the fact is, even for balancing casual matches you should listen pro by priority, because they simply know better for both words
i seen a ton of comp games that was listening casuals, they all dead lmao
battlebit also listening casuals, we already on 7k peak daily playercount in half of the year after release (near death)
holy shit, stfu.

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Go play any game with SBMM

oblique vapor
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and as of now we have near 10k

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oblique vapor
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why such are here oki why

oblique vapor
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they dont even consider basics

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It's a basic fact of our society

oblique vapor
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Matoi how old are you actually. Are we being mean to a 17 year old?

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# oblique vapor Economic

in same speed the game will be empty on its anniversary economic expert bozo lmao who the fuck asked

nocturne smelt
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sorry im just not only better than you 3 times in games but also 10 times in gamedev

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Name 1 game

oblique vapor
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you never listen pro or casual simply because they pro or casual
you listen wise thoughts, its just usually SOME pro has them

oblique vapor
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<@&1124297323237884005> please clean up this user's rudeness?

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Please be respectful and stay on topic.

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@oblique vapor ^

reef hatch
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lmao fiendly fire

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hi pom

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hey

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🤗love my mod homies

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Man lowkey not surprising that the terminally online asshole is friends with the mods tbh