Sniper Rifles (General) - Feedback

[wide hamlet]

Are they even addressing glint being too intense and visible, or is it just nerfing medium range scopes?

[nocturne smelt]

This

Seems really weird that going from 200 to 250m you go from no glint to almost max glint

[winter haven]

Most of my shots are 200-600 I think

When I feel like just chilling I stay back in the 800+ range :p

[nocturne smelt]

I will say, I am glad they’re investigating this so thoroughly after the backlash. He’s been extra engaged with the community for the last few days.

[past snow]

imho the glint intensity changing with distance is just not needed at all

Just make glint visibility be the same as the sniper's view cone, so that it does what it truly is designed to do. Give targets a heads up and a chance to dodge the shot.

[hearty shoal]

:x i dunno why peope suggest it be a cone that wouldnt change very much at longer distances which is the problem with long range sniping glint if for some reason youre 800-900m out you can see all of most maps especially when elevated

[past snow]

what I had in mind is that only the people inside your scope would see it

so that way if you are using a idk 40x to shoot from 1km away only the people you see also see you

now that I look at it saying view cone might imply the entire range you are looking down on which shouldn't be the case

[hearty shoal]

:x you have to be specific in those kinds of things otherwise people will get what they asked for instead of what they want

and even then the glint would have to be bascially the size of the bullet itself

the cone it self would be

bascially doing nothing

[eager osprey]

if only there was like, a metric shit ton of glint feedback prior

too bad literally all of it was ignored lmao

[past snow]

eh it'd be larger than that and most importantly; fair. People who are targeted get a warning and are rewarded if they are quick enough or are able to move well enough to dodge the incoming shot.

[hearty shoal]

i mean in terms of fairness there isnt much fair about setting up a proper flank with a sniper and being rewarded with glint, the person you kill knowing where you are because the camera gets pointed to you even worse if it glints plus probably a lot of people when they get sniped just click spectate and know where you are instantly its a bit off the rails but theres a lot of games that manage without glint period on snipers and nobody seems to pay mind you dont get warned when an assault is about to gun you down from behind and most of the TTKs in the game are unreactable if you arent a potato

[past snow]

I totally agree with the no glint part, but I think that's a hard sell with how many people bitch and moan about snipers already

especially when you consider bushes and other clutter stop rendering at around 100m for some settings it really makes you question whether glint is actually needed

it's just something we have to deal with because some people just have never experienced sniping and do not completely understand the interaction 🤷‍♂️

[formal lynx]

I mean, Oki has a point when he says “Snipers can get kills without engaging in fights.”

Yeah, if there isn’t at least a half decent counter sniper on your team, an enemy sniper could go uncontested for ages. The average non-sniper isn’t gonna look at the fucking hill-line when there’s a point being contested in front of them.

[hearty shoal]

this is very true even after a few kills people generally will spawn and just kill you

[formal lynx]

Honestly I think that’s a perfectly fine interaction.

[past snow]

True and also not true

[formal lynx]

In my entire time playing recon (which is ~40 hours as opposed to my 70 or so on medic) I’ve really died to
A) getting counter sniped / losing a duel
B) people being tired of me harassing them and coming for me.

Being hit by a sniper is a lot of information already, even when you die you at least know that the bugger shot you from that there direction. So go on and get him.

[past snow]

For one the possibility of having no counter sniping is quite low to begin with, and even if you are diffing them so hard that it's not a bother after a couple kills people tend to just rush and overwhelm your position in most cases. While what oki said is true, snipers are also helpless when it comes to actually getting contested.

[formal lynx]

Which is how it should be

Unless you’ve got a team backing you?

Yeah if the enemy decides to come for you, you actually have to… do something about it.

I like to use this nifty little trick after a few kills. Especially when it’s the same guys over an over.

Very few people do it

AHEM

[past snow]

and the point is that you kinda cant

you can move

[formal lynx]

Reposition (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ

[past snow]

thanks for pointing that out captain obvious

but that's not the actual point here is it

[formal lynx]

You’d be FUCKING surprised

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah every time I sit on one of the Zalfi islands for more than 5min a squad comes and pushes me

[past snow]

yeah I know

I saw how people play sniper dw

[nocturne smelt]

Was supposed to be a reply to this

[formal lynx]

Im just taking a Long trip to say “yeah, glint might be a bit excessive as a whole”

A good sniper will know to reposition every now and then

[hearty shoal]

punishes your good reposition with glint nothing personal kid

[formal lynx]

If there’s a sniper out in fucking Zimbabwe trying to snipe, he’s not gonna hit shit anyway.

If there’s a guy upclose with a SR, you’re gonna see him anyway

[nocturne smelt]

I will say starting the glint at 200m is good, my biggest fear was constantly getting DMR’ed and that should be out of their range

[formal lynx]

If you die to him, you have this nifty damage indicator telling you at least his general area

[hearty shoal]

itll be even better when last death marks get added to the map making it easier to figure out the shot

[formal lynx]

Yeah it feels kinda bad when

“Oh shit, I’m not gonna win that duel, I’ll just loop around this rock to not worry about that sight line anymore.”
[does exactly that scopes in]
“Oh, another sniper, I wonder if he saw my glint…”
[dies]

[past snow]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-clueless-clueless-emote-wojak-disturbed-gif-24266075

[formal lynx]

No battlebit players can’t use their brains

That’s why I can take the same flank for the 5th time in a row and get 6 kills every time

Honestly I messed up a good few snipers on sandy today just because I saw their glint.

Never would’ve seen them otherwise

And I wouldn’t have been mad at dying to them either.

[hearty shoal]

its alright as boltie sniper with some setups it is actually impossible to wipe a squad kekw

[nocturne smelt]

Impossible to wipe the squad but possible to kill the guy right after they res him 3x in a row

[formal lynx]

Then witness mitosis and suddenly there’s 2 new men there

[hearty shoal]

again if we want the real unhinged but good ways to make bolties better if youre being plinked at by a sniper you cannot respawn on that person

[nocturne smelt]

Nature is beautiful

[hearty shoal]

i cant count the times ive quick scoped someone and they were spawned inside of post combat spawn rework

[nocturne smelt]

What if they removed glint off long range scopes under 200m too

[formal lynx]

Something funny that happened today

I Body Shot a guy, hitmsrker, other sniper follows up I get assist points

But then the server says my hit was denied

Would’ve been amazing if the guy just stood back up tbh

[nocturne smelt]

I love sniping with my friends and double body shotting running infantry

[autumn violet]

So 200+ hour towards “RED” for the m200, using med scopes cause it’s the only viable option if I don’t want to be domed instantly, devs add scope glint to med scopes.

Later y’all imma just go play Minecraft

It’s been fun while it lasted

[hearty shoal]

m200 is far from the only option :x m200 isnt even that busted l96 MSR r700 are all good rifles

[cobalt gazelle]

R700 I like because it sounds good.

[desert bison]

You would only get domed instantly by other snipers using medium scopes. Soon you'll be able to see all those medium scopes aiming at you.

Unless they're shooting at you with an AR or something, in which case, move out of their range

[cobalt gazelle]

the ol execution squad
you hesr the clap of a musket line and the support next to you flies off into the distance, dead instantly

[past snow]

I mean statistically speaking m200 and l96 are just better

[hearty shoal]

better does not mean its the only option'

[hearty shoal]

based i kinda hate how loud the r700 is so i stopped using it

even silenced it is by far the loudest

so i use the MSR these days

[cobalt gazelle]

personally speaking
M200 could stand to become more antimateriel than antipersonnel
same by L96
turn up the damage on the L96 and M200 to make them stand out as exceptionally high caliber

[hearty shoal]

in fact the only problem i have with the r700 is the ammo count per mag is HORRIBLE no sniper should have less than 8 shots in a regular mag 6 for quick and like 12 for extended

[cobalt gazelle]

MSR is integ suppressed right?

[hearty shoal]

nope

[nocturne smelt]

Extended mag is necessary on that one

Kinda weird that extended mag takes it 5->12

[hearty shoal]

meanwhile l96 goes to 15

[nocturne smelt]

Yep I love my extended mag L96

[hearty shoal]

that is the main reason i used it so much velocity does not matter to me

feels awful losing shots because time to reload

[cobalt gazelle]

can someone post stats for the MSR then?

[past snow]

the quality might be shit but I cba to launch the game rn

[eager osprey]

#dev-wip message

THIS IS WHAT WE'VE BEEN SAYING FOR FUCKING MONTHS

i mean yeah sure better late than never but HOLY SHIT

[past snow]

oh wow

after like 4 months oki finally read what was written here

oh wait he didn't

he read the suggestions one ig

[autumn violet]

Ok just thought of this, forgive me if it’s been said. Med scopes no glint like it has been. LR scopes narrow glint cone and reduce a bit, main idea: just flicker the glint. WOW!!! Game changing Ik. Still gives away position for static hanging out in the back snipers, which in turn gives a use for Bino’s and the code already exists (maybe idkwtf I’m talking about with code) from the sniper decoy, which then also gives it a use.

[eager osprey]

there's no need to flicker the glint if the cone makes sense

like the main issue with glint is that it alerted enemies that you weren't even looking at

[past snow]

small cone that limits the glint to people you see inside the scope and there ya go

done

no need to fuck around no more

[eager osprey]

med scopes need a downside though. whether it's glint or not being able to zero in

[past snow]

limited scoping

and sway (maybe)

[autumn violet]

Ok but sniper decoy still useless except to tell enemy your near by.

[eager osprey]

yeah it does feel like med scopes have the least sway, which makes 0 sense

[past snow]

then don't place it close to yourself?

or just rework the decoy

it's never hard to tell what's a decoy and what isn't

[autumn violet]

Main reason I’ve never used them there basically pointless

[past snow]

I don't like people seeing my glint when I'm not looking at them

that should just not be a thing

decoys are always nice ideas that tend to not work

[autumn violet]

Totally agree

[autumn violet]

Flicker LR scopes and decoys matter

Maybe just a slightly different speed that you actually have to RECON to see.

Imagine a feature that raises the skill ceiling instead of lowering it.

[past snow]

yea so let's limit glint to people inside the scope to increase the skill ceiling of everyone

now they have to be more aware of their surroundings

and angles

[autumn violet]

Agreed reduce cone

Add flicker similar to decoy

And no glint on mids

As it stands all of your hardcore sniper sweats(me) have been rocking mids almost exclusively since launch, nerfing is just gonna lead to a further reduction of player count.

[past snow]

actually I'd be totally fine with mids getting some sort of nerf

they have invaded long range territory so a couple changes to push them back would be welcome

like zeroing limit which currently makes no sense

[autumn violet]

They have been forced to. Fix long range scopes and instead of forcing mids to go further back into LR

The current changes are just gonna punish the snipers using mids in far more active game play.

[past snow]

yeah I agree with that, still want a zeroing change though

they should not glint that's for sure

[nocturne smelt]

Well the cone being smaller will be a big buff for long range scopes maybe that’ll be enough to balance them

[autumn violet]

The zeroing is weird. Like it’s tied to the weapon not the sight. Make it sight based across the board, I dig it cause that’s how it actually works irl.

[nocturne smelt]

With cone change + mid range glint as described with the squiggle graph I think they’ll be balanced against long range scopes

[past snow]

it being weapon based makes no sense, you don't change something about the weapon when you zero

[nocturne smelt]

200m with no glint is decent for aggressive sniping

Means you’re out of DMR lethal range mostly when you start glinting with mid scope

Maybe a M110 user can comment on that

[autumn violet]

dumb I’ve got 2005m with a mid scope against LR scopes.

[past snow]

my guy what?

<200m is dmr range

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah so no glint when you’re in DMR range at <200m, that’s what I said

[past snow]

my bad

I'm getting tired

[nocturne smelt]

lol it’s been a long day

[past snow]

yeah tell me about it

I still want glint to be restricted only to the people I'm looking at

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah

[past snow]

also 800m+ not glinting is just dumb

people should not be encouraged to do that

[nocturne smelt]

I think the idea of that was the opposite, that >800m your position won’t be given away to people with long range scopes

I personally think it’s pretty hard to hit people past 800m with a mid scope so in my opinion that’s enough to discourage people from using them at that range

When, hopefully, long range scopes become better with the cone change, the people sniping at 800m will switch to long range scopes

[past snow]

isn't the >800m no glint also applied to long range scopes?

[nocturne smelt]

Oh I thought that was only mid scopes and that long range scopes are full glint any range still

[past snow]

IIRC that's the graph for every scope

[nocturne smelt]

Just reread the message carefully and it’s completely unclear

[past snow]

that's just oki for you

[nocturne smelt]

One of the lines before the graph is “no glint less than 200m so you can STILL use it for close range” which is why I thought that graph applied only to mid scopes

My hope is that it’s:

1. Mid scopes get the glint described by the graph
2. Long scopes stay full glint any range
3. Both get their cone reduced based on zoom of the scope so that people only see your glint if you see them in the scope

I think this would put things in a good state

[eager osprey]

if medium scope glint disappears and scope glint doesn't, then that'd mean medium scopes would still be more effective at range than long range scopes

[cobalt gazelle]

oh right that reminds me
M200, 500 light armor damage.
L96, 350 light armor damage.
make it able to actually kill humvees in three or four shots (humvee health is like 800?)
antimateriel gaming

[vagrant thistle]

the devs actually directly read suggestions

they do not read feedback

start putting your ideas in suggestions instead

they have mods read the feedback for them and paraphrase but it seems that doesnt happen/they miss stuff

[vagrant thistle]

#dev-wip message

[strong epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/waku-waku-excited-cute-anya-spy-family-gif-25751852

[past snow]

smh my head

it's mid scopes only

[past snow]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[coarse umbra]

Only for medium scopes?

bruh

Devs really don't play sniper scopes

To experience pain

[wanton burrow]

i'm still mildly upset that the class with the least footprint is getting a nerf

but as long as close range sniping remains unaffected

eh, i guess it's fine

[nocturne smelt]

Like what the actual fuck

Time for a new suggestion thread I guess

[icy fulcrum]

it should also apply to long range scopes.

also give recon a 3d spotting cloak perk.

[winged quarry]

How is it fine though? Not everyone likes close range "sniping". Under 200 isn't really sniping and it just makes the class less unique to play it that way

[wide oriole]

would make the 40x viable too, since you won't see many people with it, so less glinting to 3rd parties

[vagrant thistle]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1179777783480729740 vote

[wanton burrow]

i play l96 short mag my friend, i guess i'm a fake sniper

[quasi cairn]

Just seen scope glint at night. WTF. how can your scope reflect light if there's no light to reflect

[thin wasp]

Science?

[nocturne smelt]

Uhhhh long mag good tho

[wanton burrow]

extra gross

[nocturne smelt]

Is it the run speed that you want?

[wanton burrow]

that and the ADS :)

[nocturne smelt]

I thought it was only like < 5% diff in ADS speed I’ll have to check the stats

[wanton burrow]

it's sizable enough for me to try and aggressively snipe

[nocturne smelt]

Hmm interesting

[wanton burrow]

trust me that extra ADS speed has saved me a few times when i was taken by surprise

[nocturne smelt]

More bullets carried + more shots per mag is a lot to give up tho

[wanton burrow]

i don't end up using all 36 bullets most of the time anyways

[nocturne smelt]

Wait don’t you only get 3 mags?

[wanton burrow]

i use ranger

[nocturne smelt]

Ah

[wanton burrow]

it really is more so for the ADS since i've panicked and headshot people on accident thanks to it

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah makes sense, seems usable if you’re playing aggressive and near the team

[wanton burrow]

i tend to like to be on the frontlines to a degree so yeah, i’m not a backline sniper

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah I usually go mid range but more off to the side as much as possible

When I’ve spent 3min to get in a good spot I want to shoot as many shots as fast as possible

[wanton burrow]

do you peek and shoot?

[nocturne smelt]

About half the time I’d say

Usually can get a solid volley off before people start aiming at me

Maybe a bit more than half

[wanton burrow]

i tend to peek for 2 seconds, aim, shoot

when people start shooting at me is when i move out

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah depends on the spot a lot, for example I was playing frontlines Zalfi and swam out to one of the islands, pushed up as far as possible, and I got probably 2 mags off before anyone was aiming at me

[wanton burrow]

2 MAGS

[nocturne smelt]

But on Waki I’m usually in a more obvious spot and have to peek more

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah like 30 shots into infantry

Its a really good spot

[wanton burrow]

oh my goodness gracious

[nocturne smelt]

With a rock on my side facing their base so that I can’t get counter sniped, can only see the front line

[wanton burrow]

this spot sounds so stupid

i need this location

[nocturne smelt]

This island when the enemies base was to the south

This island is in bounds no matter who caps the first set

This probably doesn’t work in conquest btw

[wanton burrow]

oh

conquest is where you just capture points right

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah

[wanton burrow]

that’s the gamemode i like the most 🙂

[nocturne smelt]

Frontlines you have to play on a community server cuz nobody votes for it but it’s pretty fun

I like to mix it up sometimes but yeah also mostly play conquest

Was just a recent example of what I meant by “off to the side” of the frontline

[cobalt gazelle]

damn
can't believe there's literally no light at night lol
but yesh that's one of the uh
questionable balancing things
then again night sucks anyways so gabagool I guess

[winter haven]

It would be kinda interesting if they were reflective so if you shine your flashlight they'll reflect back at you.

[sage ginkgo]

Holy shit

They actually did it

Sniper actually becoming a playable class now

[sage ginkgo]

Wait, it's not for long ranges and only for medium? That was the entire point

[wild lake]

💀 that's what everyone is saying

[sage ginkgo]

https://tenor.com/view/mane-im-dead-gif-6502286207230651503

Soooo it solved absolutely nothing

[wild lake]

It only nerfed people using medium scope at long range distances 💀

[sage ginkgo]

Except the foliage thing which ya know, should've been solved liek eons ago

Which people were using because long range scope was like bat-signaling to 127 enemies that you are there

[wild lake]

yes

[sage ginkgo]

Nice, medic it is then

[hearty crow]

whelp i'm about drop a text wall warning in advance

[hearty crow]

the problem is the only way to counter snipers that are like 800 ~ 1000+ meter out and/or camping in their spawn like Sandy Sunset or camping on the islands like Basra is using a 2x scope and hunting for their scope glint.
now if 2x scopes have glint then those hiding in those places will be significantly harder to weed out as they will see you trying to line up a shot and cause their scope zooms better will probably either nail you first or pick you off after you miss.
which will probably have the side effect of making sniping only accessible for the best of the best and those already really good at those 800+ meter kills
2x scopes was helpful for hunting those people cause you had the element of surprise, but with their better zoom they could still notice you first and even start looking for you once they noticed they are being shot at if you missed trying to hit a guy so far with a 2x
a low skill sniper like me will just kind of get decimated now without the 2x scope element of surprise in sniper duels

the issue with snipers is kind of the only solid counter is another sniper cause you see a glint and the guy is 500 meters out you sure not killing him you can only hide in fear or if you have a DMR but you are fighting a battle that you have to land 2 to 3 shots while the sniper only needs 1 to 2

i agree snipers need a nerf but i don't think scope glint to a 2x helps as that only really helps other snipers find their competition

i think a better idea would be also give 2x scopes the sway that higher scopes have and have to hold their breath to make shots

[wooden pine]

Bolties will become a complete meme class if the 2xs get glint

Haven't seen any indication that oki's leaning that way but that ain't the answer

[hearty crow]

i just heard something about 2x scopes and glint from MrWong's channel

[vagrant thistle]

all mediums on sniper class currently have glint

[wooden pine]

Hmmm

2x arnt medium are they?

[hearty crow]

oh maybe i miss understood then

[wanton burrow]

does flir have it too

[vagrant thistle]

P sure

[wanton burrow]

we need a new dev team

[vagrant thistle]

They r

[hearty crow]

and something else they could do is also maybe make aim downs sights take about as long as MGs with the bipod before the bipod got buffed to eliminate the annoying quick scoping cause that is probably what makes the 2x scope the bane of peoples existence

[wooden pine]

Oh, guess bolties already are a meme at this point

Are we sure it's not only 4x tho

Just read the updates

medium scopes

[wanton burrow]

yeah i mean what can i say

snipers are too strong in all ranges guys!

[hearty crow]

also some map designs don't help at all. like remove all the little islands on Basra, and on Zalfi Bay there is no need for people to be out in that rocky area to the right side of the map past the river so far from the objectives, like those are places only snipers would be willing to chill at and unless a player is super pissed to go out of their way to either run, swim, or drive a jetski to go kill them nobody will be able to conveniently eliminate them other then rival snipers

[wooden pine]

Slight aside: when I played BF3 and 4 anyways, DMR vs snipers I always felt the DMRs were meant to act as a nuisance vs directly going against a recon with a bolt action at bolt action range

It's suppose to make them hide, but with the healing changes it's not as effective

Or at least for not as long as when bandages did 40hp

[wild lake]

DMR, you need to HS the first shot and fire another one in the body fast. You'll loose against a sniper. The other way around is spamming bodyshot while strafing.

[hearty crow]

i mean if they can just hide and call in supply crates for dayz for bandages unless you kill them outright it won't matter

i should know i'm part of that problem

[wild lake]

You can ping them, and have team go to them with vehicles tho

Flank with a DMR is pretty good against them too

[wooden pine]

Yup

[hearty crow]

your pings can only be seen by your squad so if you don't have a a buddy in a heli that won't help

and again you are asking a heli that is better off dropping people of at points of intrest to go out of its way to deal with 1 guy in butt frick nowhere

[wild lake]

Yeah, you go with your buddy. Or you just say it to anyone near you to come in a vehicle to destroy some snipers

[hearty crow]

which falls into my point of getting so pissed off at the sniper that you have to go out of your way to deal with them. like the for example here on Basra, as of late there is always someone in the bottom right corner of the map sniping where the green flag is. how do you get rid of that guy without it feeling like a waste of your time?
cause i have done it twice on a jetski and it takes forever to get there kill 1 guy then get back

and i have also got rid of a guy there twice with a 2x scope M200 which was way less time consuming cause he couldn't see me, but now cause of scope glint on 2x he knows when i'm aiming at him and can get me first

[wild lake]

I really hate Basra 💀

You could RPG Heat with a rangefinder on main gun too

[hearty crow]

that flag on the bottom corner of the map is 1,100 meters from the nearest shoreline

if you hit that shot with an rpg and actually kill the guy you are a god amoung men my good sir

[wild lake]

Basra needs a rework tbh

[hearty crow]

just remove the islands and its fine

only have to worry about the hill infront and behind you then mostly

well the islands that only snipers will hang out at

also a lot of maps in battle bit have a lot of needless empty space

[wild lake]

Lots of map have pretty cool space but unused too. Like no objective :c

[hearty crow]

like that big island mid to the right that entire side of the map could get yeeted and miss nothing other then snipers

[hearty crow]

yeah like Wakistan what is the point of those stacked logs in the middle of nowhere

[wild lake]

But yeah, this is all map design

not sniper rifle

[hearty crow]

yeah

like if you need to nerf 2x scopes then add sway/hold breath to it for snipers and/or longer aim down sights to stop quick scoping not add glint to it as it. cause 2x scope is only effective way to stop those peeps camping 800 meters or higher out imo

[wild lake]

doesn't matter; bipod = no sway

[hearty crow]

also yeet the bipod for snipers too

forgot about that

[wild lake]

nah

all you need to do is reduce velocity of snipers

The snipers stats are messy af

Only two are really used.

There should be different use and option between them. Like mid range vs long range. And you shouldn't be able to use the long range for mid range too easily, and vice versa.

[molten moon]

Fr fr

The snipers are just not satisfying to get kills with imo

[wild lake]

Now that support are in an ok place, I think the sniper really need the stat rework x)

[molten moon]

Recon is the new support rn

[hearty crow]

well if you add longer aim down sights then their close range use gets reduced cause takes quick scope is gone and if even 2x have sway and yeet the bipod then they will have longer periods between shots rather then bolting speed

and sometimes we are are own worst enemy like everytime people go demoing Tensitown turing it into a parking lot well you just cleaned the place for snipers to have better sight lines X(

[rigid shard]

snipers took the biggest nerf and yall wanna go further?

[hearty crow]

um no

i'd rather not have scope glint on 2x scopes

cause that actually helps 4x or higher scoped snipers more cause now they know when anyone is gunning for them at over 500 meters

was thinking of alternitive nerfs to the 2x scopes

i mostly play sniper to hunt other snipers and the best way to do that was using 2x scope and the fight was rather even cause they zoom could see me better while i'm firing at a dot and praying

[wild lake]

You'd need this probably:

• Long range sniper type: High velocity | Medium~Long reload time | Medium~long bolt time | Slow ADS time | Slow draw speed | High level of sway. Doesn't have access to medium range scope.

• Medium range sniper type: Low~Medium velocity | Short~Medium reload time | Short~medium bolt time | Fast ADS time | medium draw speed | Short~medium Sway. Can have medium range scope. Doesn't have access to extreme long range scope.

and then have 3 sniper with different variable in each category

^ this but Glint cone would be reduce on long range scope like it is on medium.

[hearty crow]

cause 2x scope getting glint at 200+ meters only helps rival snipers know they are being hunted by a 2x not like any other class can do anything to a 2x scope at 200+ meters anyways other then run and hide

[wild lake]

Well technically, you could use the advanced binoculars to spot where a sniper is. (wish they told you the distance too). And then have your sniper with a short range scope, and zero to the distance 🤔

[hearty crow]

well if my 2x scope has glint i might as well use long range scope instead

[wild lake]

The curve for the sniper glint on medium scope should be flipped and prolongated tbh

[hearty crow]

yeah that would be nice if those binoculars also did range finding

[wild lake]

I don't understand why it wasn't like this for Sniper medium scope 💀

[hearty crow]

wait 2x scope's glint isn't visable at 800+ meters?

[wild lake]

yep

it's not visible at more than 800m

[hearty crow]

so 200 to 800

eh i think the cut off should be 500 cause i can barely spot people farther then that

[wild lake]

I don't understand why they took that decision... >Put it in the game glint so you can see sniper >Put it in on the medium scope so they don't cheese the long range sniping >Actually let a way to cheese the mechanic.

[hearty crow]

the glint is to help the normal folk not so much the long range snipers. i think long range scopes need 2x scopes to check them so they can't camp forever

[foggy spire]

I think sniper's as a class should be reworked with an emphasis on stealth. Perhaps give them a camo net gadget and tone down the scope glint. They should be focusing on avoiding detection. This would also go along with decreasing ads stability after being hit so if they get shot they will be disabled temporarily.

[tardy shale]

recons can always use binos

has anyone tried binos with irons yet?

[strong epoch]

aye. past 800m (and arguably well before 800m, but meh), the sniper is at a huge disadvantage unless theyre shooting at perfectly stationary targets. the player movement is pretty absurdly fast, so you have to lead by a rather large amount at those distancs, even with the high-velocity sniper rifles. when you also consider the lack of player inertia and instantaneous acceleration (to be accurate, the lack of acceleration) on top of that, and the result is that, in reality, you wont be taking many shots at targets 800+m away unless theyre careless or also a sniper (or both).

I think the purpose of the 200m-800m window for glint is to prevent sniper abuse in the ranges where theyre strongest. 0-200m, a sniper is close enough that other firearms can pretty easily return enough fire to supress the sniper, and beyond 800m, youre mostly just shooting other snipers. i havent played the update yet, but as a concept it seems solid enough IMO

[hearty crow]

hmm i guess that makes sense

think 200m ~ 500m might work better, but i see the reasoning now i guess

[tardy shale]

snipers are best at the 300m range for regular sniping

[wild lake]

make sense

[quasi cairn]

Why doesn't light travel infinite distances without any loss of brightness?

[wild lake]

but then curve still need to be flipped I think

[tardy shale]

in real life, diffusion in the atmosphere

[tardy shale]

yes

that probably wont be added tho

[hearty crow]

i guess i'll have to try it, but my PC has issues running the game right now it seems

[quasi cairn]

Seriously though, what's even the point of medium scopes on a sniper now they glint?

[tardy shale]

no glint sub 200m, and medium zoom

[hearty crow]

for some reason Valley and Wakistan get me kicked for connection lost every single time

[tardy shale]

sometimes u dont want insane zoom

[hearty crow]

👆

[wild lake]

Medium range sniping

[tardy shale]

medium amount of zoom, u dont want 20x for someone 300m infront of u

[quasi cairn]

you could use a 6x

[tardy shale]

fair, but thats practically a medium scope

[hearty crow]

i use 2x to hunt other snipers

cause they couldn't see me so i at least get the first shot off unless the so happen to spot me

[quasi cairn]

Yes but it's in the Long range category. So has always had glint.

Why would you pick a med scope that glints at 300m when you could pick a 6x that also glints at 300m

[hearty crow]

yup

[tardy shale]

yeah yeah, alr

[quasi cairn]

I used to too, because of the lack of glint

[tardy shale]

med scopes for sub 200m

[hearty crow]

i'd do that to keep the snipers off my team and if i couldn't kill them then at least they busy focusing on instead of my fellow teammates playing the objective

[quasi cairn]

So basically sub 200m against a wall wo no one <200m away can see your glint

sounds real useful

[tardy shale]

just be hyper aggro sniper

[hearty crow]

like even if the none-sniper classes see you at 200 ~ 800 meters not like they can do much but hide

[quasi cairn]

did DMRs stop being a thing?

[tardy shale]

most people dont run them

[hearty crow]

i mean you can try fighting a 2 - 3 shot kill vs 1 - 2 shot kill

i wouldn't

[tardy shale]

or line up a rpg shot

[quasi cairn]

They didn't until there was this suddenly a giant area that mid range sniper scopes glint on

[tardy shale]

really? alr

i just run them on assault for fun sometimes or engi to line up rpg shots

[hearty crow]

glint on 2x kind of only helps rival snipers and maybe dmr guys a little

[quasi cairn]

a 2-3 shot kill that doesn't give away the user's position when they look down scope, vs a 1-2 shot weapon that does?

[wild lake]

DMR are quite good. But you're still better than them with a sniper.

Plus, if you can't kill them before they take cover, you're useless with a DMR

[quasi cairn]

DMR users can use the scope freely without giving away their position.

[wild lake]

yeah you get the first shot a headshot. Then, you gotta be quick enough to hit the second shot, and have the bullet travel time fast enough, so they don't move and hide being cover.

[hearty crow]

i've been hit by dmr and the hit marker is often enough to figure out were the guy is. bandage myself. i can even let him hit me once then i brain him as he tries to line up his second shot

[wild lake]

It's definitely possible. I've killed Sniper with my DMR in duel a lot of time. But I've died a lot too. And anything beyond 400M starts being a pain to duel.

[steady mist]

increase scope glint these bitches are useless

[wild lake]

SVD/M110/MK20 can go over 400M, EBR & G3 can't.

[steady mist]

what are they even doin out there

[hearty crow]

those are the guys that is why i started hunting snipers with snipers

and you haven't lived till you seen someone in the bottom right corner of basra

[quasi cairn]

Counter sniper. M200 zeroes up to 1400m, they don't need to be close

[hearty crow]

sniping away with a max range scope at 1,1k meters

[steady mist]

counter these fuckin balls they're at the bottom of the board

God

bleed machines

[quasi cairn]

meh i usually sit back and snipe, I can often get 25-30Kills for 0-2 deaths. Keeps you away from the bottom of the board. If they're bad theyre what makes you think they wouldn't also be bad if you made them play in a position they didn't like

[wild lake]

Well if there was communication between squad. You could tell other squad leader, there's a bunch of sniper on X island. Ask a littlebird to do the cleaning. but that's

[steady mist]

human meat shields

[quasi cairn]

Or are you just trying to blame your team's loss on them because you don't like the idea that all players on a team share in victory and defeat

[hearty crow]

and lose tickets wonderful idea

[steady mist]

tickets in frontline and invasion?

[quasi cairn]

You do understand that snipers are generally a long range role, right?

[hearty crow]

i mean its guys like that that make me wanna grab a sniper and try and kill them rather then play the objective

[quasi cairn]

Yeah, bad snipers are easy kills for other snipers

[steady mist]

Hey I mean I'll take leaving only DMRs in the game too

or just make snipers have 800 velocity and 200 meter zeroing so that sniping is actually reserved for skilled players

[quasi cairn]

So basically, you want to force these guys to repeatedly die and probably stop playing just so you can win a couple of games and feel good about yourself?

[steady mist]

yes, go play squad if you want to sit in the back of the map

Unironically

[hearty crow]

yeah that's a great idea gate keep a classs to only the elite can play

[steady mist]

yup

just like every other game

[quasi cairn]

Go play CS if you want non stop CQB

[tardy shale]

i mainly just quick scope tho.

[steady mist]

you could've pulled infinitely better comparisons and instead chose the slowest, equally campy game possib le

[quasi cairn]

I'm not 12 so i don't know what kind of games you play

[steady mist]

uhuh

[hearty crow]

probably COD

[steady mist]

How about

any battlefield
Old Squad
any shooter that doesn't hold your hand to snipe

[quasi cairn]

It seems to me that those players are not god (which you've already said), they've clearly found a role that they enjoy playing and you're raging that they don't stop playing the game in a way that they enjoy and doesn't really hurt anyone (it's literally 4 players out of the whole team) and go throw themselves out as a meatshield so you can win a map.

perhaps the problem here is you

[hearty crow]

what difference is there between BF sniping and BB again? also if you don't have to take into account wind change, planet rotation, along with bullet drop then all games hold your hand genius

[steady mist]

low velocity, no zeroing, decent bullet drop

[quasi cairn]

I calculate bullet drop and coriolis force just for the hell of it every shot, for ultimate realism

[steady mist]

smaller models if you wanna toss that in there

that one 800m challenge made me actually try "long range sniping" in this game

[hearty crow]

so just numbers you don't like otherwise its the same

[steady mist]

it was literally just rangefinder, zero, left click on glint

[quasi cairn]

Rangefinder... which you only get after 105 kills?

[hearty crow]

also funny how a scope can zero irl but a game can't have that feature it cause not sweatie enough

[quasi cairn]

Seriosly though do you honestly think your team lost because 4 guys decided to sit back and snipe

[wild lake]

I think Sniper should be still fun to play and have a bit of skill. But it's probably the hardest gun to balance in any game. Because One shot isn't fun for the receiving end.

[hearty crow]

yup

[steady mist]

No, I don't think my team lost bc of that idrc about the match, I care that all they're doing is being gnats you can't touch because they sit in a safe zone all game

[quasi cairn]

Wait until he finds out that IRL you can zero a scope while still looking down it

[hearty crow]

his mind just exploded

[quasi cairn]

You can, they're not in the safe zone. Just in the no entry zone. bullets can still hit them. Drones and grenades can still kill them.

[steady mist]

So I need to either cross the map behind enemy lines, or play recon to kill recon

what other class has that issue

[quasi cairn]

I forgot you actually needed to stand on top of enemies to kill them in this game.

[hearty crow]

i mean you just said they weren't helping so why do you need a way to kill them? make up your mind

[steady mist]

you know what

It's easier to just play m200 and bully them until they leave

I'll do that instead

[hearty crow]

its what i do 👍

[quasi cairn]

That's what i do too

If they're really that bad it's just free kills

[hearty crow]

sniper pisses me off i grab a m200 and make it my lifes goal to end them

[quasi cairn]

Yeah, that's basically half of a sniper's role

[hearty crow]

either kill the enemy snipers or make them so busy dealing with me they don't bother my team is my job

[quasi cairn]

Snipe enemy grunts.
Counter snipe enemy snipers before they snipe you or your grunts

[eager osprey]

are you sure about that

[quasi cairn]

Yes sadly I'm old

[formal lynx]

me when I keep 3 snipers' attention by myself because I just dance at them instead of actually shooting at them

[hearty crow]

yeah i really don't get why snipers even bother to shoot at people that are just running in a circle who are intentionally getting them to shoot at them and miss over and over

[formal lynx]

idk either but it keeps working

it always works best withh the 600m+ snipers who think I forget what a bullet looks like and will just watch it come toward me

i literally got a hackusation

because I simply side stepped his bullets...

[hearty crow]

i remember being on Sandy Sunset and running around a hill in wide open with an smg flanking the enemy while like 3 or 4 snipers trying to hit me just made sure not to hold still and always make adjustments to my movement and they couldn't hit me

[hearty crow]

ok then

how dare you not sit still so his bullet can hit you

what leet hax is that? can you teach me your ways XD

[formal lynx]

ok so

step 1.)

open your eyes

step 2.)

have a functioning Primary Motor Complex

step 3.)
press a or d whenever you see a yellow thing come toward you

[hearty crow]

i hate when i rubberband back into those yellow things

like i hit prone and on my screen i'm behind a rock but nah i got hit in the dome

[quasi cairn]

Shit, I got Hackused for repeatedly 1 shotting an enemy "sniper" who was sitting perfectly still at 1600m

[winter haven]

It's a fun challenge sometimes

[tired ermine]

Hello. I've come here after the glint changes for medium scoped snipers happened. I must say I probably overreacted on how bad this change could be. I think I have been proved wrong. It may be too soon to tell, since we are having a free weekend and a lot of new players with no experience are coming to the game, but the glint addition to medium scoped snipers actually feels seamless as we now have a lot more target visibility to pick from and therefore, in this scenario, skill will eventually prevail, which is a good thing. Pairing this with the reduced glint angle was a good call. Again, it could very much be a feature brought with the new player influx, but I'll try to give more feedback as soon as the player level stabilizes again.

[quasi cairn]

Increased target visibility leads to skill prevailing? Wut?

[tired ermine]

In a conflict where you face another glinter, you are both seeing each other. This means that in the end, the one that reacts faster/plays better will end up gettign the kill on the another

[quasi cairn]

Is spotting targets and picking good sniping spots not a skill?

And when did reaction speed become a skill?

What you've described is literally the exact opposite of skill prevailing

It's replacing the cat an mouse tactics between snipers with a duel at 20 paces

If the only thing that matters is being able to react faster, why have cover at all

[past snow]

also reacting badly to just glint on mid scopes is totally understandable

before the changes to glint, it basically killed scope types

the changes should also be applied to long range scopes

[quasi cairn]

Roll back the glint changes on med scopes. Make muzzle flash for snipers more visible at short to mid ranges.

That way actually firing gives away your position while spotting does not.

[obtuse spade]

Why dont snipers do 80-90 damage instead of 60-70, itd mean you dont need 3 shots with some just to kill normal armour enemies

[sonic anchor]

they aren't supposed to be shotguns or used as "sniper shot, duck, pistol shot, dead"

[obtuse spade]

The swap speed isnt good enough that that would be broken, and two shotting people is hardly a shotgun

[sonic anchor]

two words ||old deagle||

[obtuse spade]

i mean old deagle was like 90 damage semi auto, bolt actions arent anything like that

lets say the m200 did 81 damage, normal armour enemies still have 44 hp after getting shot, and now exo armour cant just tank two consecutive chonkers to the chest/one to the head

that sounds perfectly reasonable considering its a slow as fuck massive calibre bolt action

[wild lake]

because sniper are the only gun with 1.9x HS damage

if you wanna play shoot body, you go SVD/EBR/G3/ and all battle rifle.

[obtuse spade]

id rather snipers be usable against moving enemies and not just shit players and other snipers

[wild lake]

wdym, you want double the velocity?

[obtuse spade]

i want A: the starting sniper to 2 shot bodyshot normal armour, and B: harder hitting snipers to 2 shot heavy armour as they currently suck against better players who move when being sniped at, because noone is a human calculator and can consistently hit headshots on sprinting and jumping enemies at a distance. Velocity is fine imo

[wild lake]

So you want more forgiving medium range sniping?

[obtuse spade]

i want what i said

[wild lake]

what's the time before firing a second shot with the first sniper?

I'd be fine with 2 shot medium armor, if the time between first and second shot is over 0.4s

[obtuse spade]

about 2s with the best bolt

[wild lake]

that's fine then

[obtuse spade]

the quickest snipers are like 30-40rpm, 0.4s would be 150rpm

which is pretty close to the m110 firerate

the m110 does 51 with 200rpm vs lets say the L96 with about 30rpm and 65 damage

[wild lake]

M110 is still too good to me, since there's no limb multiplier, and it has TTK of 0.3

[obtuse spade]

all dmrs are pretty much better than snipers besides very long range m200 imo

1 shot headshot just doesent matter when you can dink bodyshot anyone with the m110

[wild lake]

I don't think so. DMR are in a pretty good spot, but there's no where near the OS capacity of Sniper. M110 has limb two kill with 0.3s, which is pretty good. SVD might have a bit too much firerate, with a good TTK too. MK20 you need a HS and a body shot to kill and it's still has slower TTK than M110. EBR is basically SVD but worse.

If they had limb multiplier, M110 would be much worse tho.

even 0.9x on limb, would make it go down from the top DMR.

Also, it's hard to hit two shot without the person getting away/reactingif you go further than 300m

I agree that in the range of the DMR, sniper will be at disadvantage but that's it. That's the role of DMR.

[obtuse spade]

the reason why the mk20 is good compared to the others now is its cqc capability as it has a high rpm and 3 shot kills normal armour, and has a quick reload/large mag

the other dmrs get shredded by ars up close

[wild lake]

it's 0.34TTK on naked tho

[obtuse spade]

better than the rest for normal armour

[wild lake]

0.27 for SVD

0.30 on M110

[obtuse spade]

most people dont have no armour

[wild lake]

Nah, people have nor armor a lot of time 💀

and you mostly hit limbs tbh

But we can agree, that the current armor system is problematic. So that could need some change before redoing work on sniper.

[obtuse spade]

the issue is that armour breaks, i think it should be added to the health pool as it makes support better and breakpoints more consistent to predict

[floral wharf]

Was this thread responsible for the recon nerfs?

[nocturne smelt]

This thread was begging them not to nerf mid range scopes

We also thought that long range scopes were going to get a buff, reduced glint angle

[eager osprey]

no one on the dev team reads the feedback threads, so no

[nocturne smelt]

I follow all sniper related threads and Oki adding glint to med scopes came out of nowhere that I saw

[obtuse spade]

i think the medium scope nerfs are fine if they buff sniper rifles as a whole in the future, not just the scopes, as the scopes themselves are more balanced now

[nocturne smelt]

I was sniping a lot of last night and didn’t notice too much of a difference, the medium scope glint isn’t as noticeable

Some of the snipers need buffs for sure

[obtuse spade]

everything but the l96 and m200 are utterly useless rn, questionable balancing

[nocturne smelt]

Yep

[wild lake]

Sniper stats are all over the place.

[nocturne smelt]

I got a few hundred kills on the R700 just to try it and I mean it’s fine, just feels like a worse L96

[obtuse spade]

the firerate makes it unusable comparably

[nocturne smelt]

Yep

Don’t complain too much tho or they’ll nerf the L96 and M200 instead of buffing the others like we want lol

[past snow]

I can see this happening

followed by sniper players going

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrate-gif-22469816

[quasi cairn]

There's no need to nerf the L96 and M200, they just need to change the unlock order so each unlock is actually better than the one before

[nocturne smelt]

Not having a usable sniper rifle until the 100s sounds awful

[past snow]

snipers flat out being better than each other just makes it a shit experience for newcomers

they should be sidegrades

also unlocks are already shit, that whole system needs to be reworked

[quasi cairn]

I mean the first 3 snipers are each better than the previous but you can still snipe well with any of them

[past snow]

and that's the point

even the base sniper should be competitive in its own niche

otherwise you just end up with newbies getting gear diffed

just give them some little benefits and drawbacks that differentiate them from each other

[quasi cairn]

But as it stands there are essentially sniper rifles no one uses because they have no advantage at all over the rifle before them

[eager osprey]

i don't even like sniper players, but like, man

adding glint to medium scopes is the shittiest thing that could've possibly been done lmfao

[quasi cairn]

Yep, makes med scopes pretty pointless now. Can't even use them to tag enemies like recon is supposed to because glint gives away your position

[autumn violet]

Well tried the new up date, as a sniper main it kinda sucks, these devs hate snipers and it shows, welp uninstalled the game. And it looks like from what I can see the free weekd hasn’t been a total lose. First positive mark on steam charts since June. Not by much in comparison to how many people have been leaving.

[hearty crow]

if you are more close range sniping the Sv-98 is kind of nice cause it has way faster movement speed and i see quiet a few people using it assuming they aren't prestiging and have no choice i guess

making snipers stick out is rough cause only really have 4 things that make them feel very different
velocity, bolting speed, character movement, and mag size

recoil doesn't matter like at all for snipers

i guess quieter firing noise could also be a thing but that's it

or sound spread when it fires

[obtuse spade]

There could be a kinda anti material sniper like the boys at in bfv that does a bit of damage to tanks and kills helis in a few hits, maybe turn the m200 into that and make the msr the favoured long range sniper

I know what you mean though theres not much identity to snipers

[formal lynx]

Yeah still waiting for that anti-materiell sniper

MGs and LSW got their armor damage buffs, it’s time for recon to get the anti-cavalry niche they deserve

I’d honestly play recon more

[wild lake]

People already complaining about tandem being op, I don't think a "I destroy tank from a 1Km away" will make it into the game.

[strong epoch]

Anti-material rifles are something I've been pining for for a while
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[strong epoch]

You misunderstand. In case you haven't used the Anti-material rifles in BFV (they're fun as fuck), they generally act as tank-deterrent weapons. You have to shoot a tank quite a few times, or otherwise catch them unawares when they're already heavily damaged, to actually get the kill. They also have absolutely abysmal range, but thats not personally something I'd like to see in BBR in the hypothetical scenario that the game does get these weapons, as it way over-limited the weapons' ability to do its specific job

[wild lake]

I haven't. But even quite a few times, if you have 5 snipers like that

And it's also Engi's job. I'm not for Recon to steal it.

[formal lynx]

Aaaand here we fall into the "job" and "archetype" debate

it's medic's "job" to heal, why isn't he?
it's assault's "job" to lead the front, why do they have DMRs?
it's recon's "job" to do reconaissance, why did it take so long for a proper spotting mechanic to be added?

a classes job should be more of a guideline to it's unique capabilities, rather than a neat little box you get shoved into. As recon I often fight on the point, I sometimes flank on medic. A class expanding into different capabilities isn't stealing anything, as long as it's done right and they serve a supportive role in their archetype rather than overtake it entirely.

[wild lake]

If you don't want it then just don't make class.

[wild lake]

Yeah I agree, recon should had something to it long ago.

Spotting make recon finally worth using with dmr/br

Vehicles are already having trouble staying alive. So making even more way to kill them, doesn't sound good. Especially when you have C4 on every classm

[wooden pine]

I would like an AM rifle

Do like 6 damage per shot on tanks, and like 2 shot disable hummvees if you shoot at the engine

(don't chastise me those are random numbers)

[hearty crow]

you want a sniper that only takes 1 less shot then heat rpgs to kill tanks O_o

my question is how do you balance that thing for infantry combat?

guess obviously not make it 1 shot kill unless to the head but that would feel kind of weird

probably why they don't bother with them

[wooden pine]

Again, random numbers

Though I guess they can make a disable threshold for vehicles that AM rifles can deplete

It can severely damage a vehicle but not destroy it unless it's a quad bike or something

Though I question why have tanks at all if the devs want infantry to be the focus so badly even medic has C4

AM Rifles probably won't come until tank balance is fixed

[nocturne smelt]

Aim down time

[wild lake]

if "control" and "accuracy" did something. Maybe we would have more 💀

[formal lynx]

isnt control something that only affects snipers at all anyway?

[torpid trout]

Scope changes are ass, revert!

[wild lake]

no

[nocturne smelt]

What issue are you having?

[formal lynx]

Says something is shit

Refuses to elaborate further

Demands revert

[nocturne smelt]

The change is people being able to see you a bit more at 200m+ range

I’ve played probably about 4h of recon since the change and haven’t noticed a big difference

[formal lynx]

I know the change but they refuse to say why they think it’s shit

[nocturne smelt]

The times I have seen enemy med range glint it’s been pretty small

[nocturne smelt]

Well it’s gotta just be “I feel like I’m getting shot more” right? Like that’s the only possible complaint

[torpid trout]

Glint is present at all distances, not 200m+

[torpid trout]

I wasn't home, I didn't refuse to do shit. Are you 15?

Anyway, more realistically, glint now needs to be extended to DMRs as well, at least starting at 200m if not before

[formal lynx]

God I wish I was, 2016 was such an easier time

[molten moon]

Glint on DMRs would be too much imo

[torpid trout]

Glint on medium scope being far less visible than it is could also help. As it is, way too easy to farm bolt-action users with DMRs now, at the vast majority of engagement ranges. No reason to ever use bolts again

[molten moon]

Then that's a call to buff bolts, not nerf DMRs

[formal lynx]

Oki did mention he’d rather buff than nerf

[molten moon]

I.e, glint cone reduction on long zooms

[molten moon]

Don't know, he's not fond of snipers

[formal lynx]

SMGs are his baby

[torpid trout]

Buffs are nerfs and nerfs are buffs anyway, it's just a question of where the change is applied. Anyway, my original suggestion is to reduce glint, so I'm happy if that's the buff

[nocturne smelt]

Uh, not according to the patch notes

[torpid trout]

• Medium scopes - snipers only, the angle requirement for glint to become visible reduced significantly.

Note: The glint is also invisible under 200 meter, fading in/out

❓

Ironically I think the fading actually helps make the glint stand out more against the static environment

[nocturne smelt]

This says it’s invisible under 200m

[torpid trout]

Then what do you believe is "fading in and out?"

Recall the devs have a poor grasp of English

Anyway, I've been playing the patch for 2 days, glint is present under 200m

[nocturne smelt]

I have been as well and glint is not present under 200m

[torpid trout]

Send me a link to whatever you're smoking

[nocturne smelt]

I have multiple times been sniped by someone with no glint under 200m

AND the patch notes agree with me

So idk what to tell you

The “fading” is based on distance

If you scroll up in upcoming updates you’ll see the graph that shows how it fades

I’m assuming you claim you saw other people’s glint under 200m?

Sure they weren’t using a long scope?

[torpid trout]

At what I thought was under 200m anway 🤷

I don't believe they were but who knows

If there's no glint under 200m then they were using long scopes

[nocturne smelt]

There are a lot of new players who will probably use long scopes

[torpid trout]

These weren't new players. It's possible they switched to long scopes after the patch though

I'll ask next time I see them

[nocturne smelt]

I saw someone’s med scope glint that was like 1/4 the intensity of the long scope glint

I think they were around 200m away

[torpid trout]

Yes, it's less intense. Still too much

[nocturne smelt]

My biggest concern was it making you more susceptible to people with DMRs and so far that hasn’t been the case, but still fairly small sample size

I might get counter sniped more but you’re on a level playing field there so just, win your sniper duels

Or position so that enemy snipers can’t hit you

[formal lynx]

We don’t use that word around here

Repositioning is simply something we don’t do

We die on this hill

[coarse umbra]

Also played around with the new medium scope sniper change

I am still getting consistent kills as before

and my death count is pretty much the same too

I would say the change makes it harder for new players to adjust to recon since I spot other snipers more easily than before

playing sniper is all about awareness and positioning, the glint doesn't particularly make it harder, but if you lack the mentioned skills, then you'll get exposed more easily

[vagrant thistle]

is that a new sniper or remodel

nvm

i read the thing above it

[hearty crow]

problem is now there is like no reason to use 2x. it used to be a way to hunt those snipers hiding 1k meters out or hiding in spawn and the only viable counter for those guys. allowing for you to get the first shot off at least if they didn't spot you first. seeing how now 2x has glint long range will know you are hunting them and they can see you better then you can see them so might as well use long range. 2x has no niche so why bother using it

[winter haven]

Yesh the balancing out between the two would have been great. If the mid acopes changes go over well they might do it to long range too.

[nocturne smelt]

That is pretty niche lol but fair

[wild lake]

Glint is here because Sniper one shot and therefore you have no reaction. It's here to tell you "you're about to get your head blown up".

DMR can't OS, can't be used as far as snipers.

If you want a nerf to dmr, either limb damage multiplier or reduced firerate would do

[formal lynx]

Nuance is important here

They have glint because they don’t need to engage in fights, this is true for SRs and DMRs

[wild lake]

DMR plays in the Battle rifle range tho.

You can aim at DMR with other AR too.

And with DMR: you have to consider: You might get hit by the first bullet unknowingly BUT you get this info after first hit:

• Hit direction indicator.
• Flash of the gun.
• You know you got hit, you can take cover and heal yourself back to full. Therefore resetting the need to two shot. And are even more ready to dodge.
• Sounds of the gun.
• Sounds of the bullet (if it missed or you saw the first bullet and dodged it).
• tracer of the bullet. (if it missed or you saw the first bullet and dodged it).
• You know they're under 400m.
• If they didn't hit you in the head, they need two more body shots. (Except M110).

Sniper is: If you got hit in the head = You're dead. No counter play. => Therefore glint exist.

Glint is just a warning for potential OS by a sniper.

[torpid trout]

Largely immaterial differences

[hearty crow]

but on medium scopes glint really only helps snipers cause they can spot and eliminate rivals, everyone else has to run and hide. and it makes medium scopes useless so might as well use long range instead cause the use of a medium scope was to get the drop on long range, but now you can't and it gives long range the edge

[nocturne smelt]

Well it’s more of a rock-paper-scissors interaction now where medium scopes are better for getting the drop on enemy infantry bc of the smaller glint but long scopes are better at killing people with med scopes

[hearty shoal]

why does any of this matter if the game tells you exactly where the person is when you die anyway? on top of that
you never see the flash at far enough ranges
you can get shot once for the kill or even twice in a lot of circumstances before you can even get into cover
sound doesnt even work with how sometimes the insta deaths happen in the game
bullet sounds are also mostly unreliable due to bugs
you do not know they are within 400m

[wild lake]

Wtf

Idk where you're going with that first line

[hearty shoal]

the " Sniper is: If you got hit in the head = You're dead. No counter play. => Therefore glint exist. "

[wild lake]

💀 You can place your own cover, smoke, crouch, prone.

3D sounds to be not good. But at least you know you're getting shot at.

[hearty shoal]

thats pretty untrue most times i hear bullet sounds im unable to be shot at

[wild lake]

You can hear bullet that aren't destined to you, true, but if they're are destined for you, you'll hear them.

the "killcam" they have only point at where they are. You could consider this as anti-camp mechanic. But it's not counter play 🤔

Like, even the fact that you need to die to the person, is already bad enough 💀 That's no where near a counter.

Exo helmet does help against sniper rn

[hearty shoal]

how isnt it?

[wild lake]

You want counter play? Binocular with a long spot on it or something.

[wild lake]

dying to someone ain't no play sir

At most it's a helper.

Like that argument of "counterplay while you're dead". Oh sorry C4 isn't good, there's counterplay called "dying to it and poiting it's camera at you".

maybe the MDX gadget that make glint, to bait sniper or anyone shooting at it. But even, that gadget ain't good.

someone made a suggestion that advanced binos would make highlight glint of sniper or something for them.

that would've been good counter play

you wanna make the MDX gadget a counterplay to snipers?

Make it only do glint to other recon. Add the fact that if you shoot at it from further than a 200m. It'll give your position to the person that put the gadget down.

Make the pattern more random

And make it so ally team can't see it.

Make it so if there's a glint aiming at it, i'll glint back to it, to simulate sniper scoping too.

There you go, gadget that does sniper counterplay

[hearty shoal]

seems like a pretty false argument the expected and best way to play with bolties is flanking and cleaning up enemies from those flanks or odd angles being PUNISHED for doing something youre intended to do is a pretty heavy counter to it

[wild lake]

Wait

[hearty shoal]

even if you could sniper moves too slow to even really do any of that sort of gameplay

[wild lake]

I think we're not on the same page. What do you want? x)

[hearty shoal]

DMRs to have glint and require a headshot to two tap

[wild lake]

Are you talking about medium scope glint on sniper, being too harsh so they can't snipe from 0~400m?

[hearty shoal]

thats an issue too but eh

[wild lake]

I mean tbh

the curve for med scope

should be swapped

from left to right

[hearty shoal]

i said that :x nobody agreed

[wild lake]

I said that too

Need to make a thread for it

[hearty shoal]

starting at 300m and staying on past 800m

[wild lake]

tbh

if the curve is swapped

and you put glint on any medium scope of any gun, it wouldn't bother people 💀

[wild lake]

require headshot to two tap is already true except for M110. Only solution is either nerf M110 or add limb damage multiplier.

[hearty shoal]

i mean at all ranges

including up close

[wild lake]

you could also

drop firerate from 200 to 170 for M110 putting it at 0.35TTK on naked.

but that might be too slow

[hearty shoal]

also adding a shot delay so you cant auto clicker them into being full auto

[wild lake]

tf is shot delay

[hearty shoal]

minium time before next shot

[wild lake]

that's firerate

are you talking about input buffer?

[hearty shoal]

they are semi auto 😛 their fire rate is as fast as you can click

[wild lake]

yes

inputbuffer ease the access to max firerate

It's what we begged for. Which made DMR and pistol relevant

[hearty shoal]

idk dmr even in the old days was relevant people were just misusing them

[wild lake]

if you don't have this, people will make macro with insta timing

[wild lake]

DMR were severely weak at release

[hearty shoal]

their main problem was that people got so many bandages and free healing

[wild lake]

No input buffer, and shit recoil, etc

[wild lake]

Bandage nowadays make DMR even weaker

If you heal quicker, more, faster = DMR less powerful

DMR also consume a lot more ammo than sniper :c

[hearty shoal]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1180993958877335582 what yall think

[static merlin]

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1181023813060808784

Feel like this has never been talked about before

I personally use the Bolt A on my L96 because it makes each shot feel more personal, and also forces me to be situationally aware and not tunnel vision

Also better control stat

If I can get 10k Kills with L96 with Bolt A you can get 10K Kills woth M200 easily using an E bolt

[molten moon]

Make snipers the best feeling based weapon. You should be satisfied when you get that OHK headshot

And the manual bolting adds to that satisfaction, it feels like you were more involved, and should make the speed faster due to the manual input I agree

[nocturne smelt]

Yeah the auto and in-scope bolts not having downsides is very strange

[molten moon]

They have downsides of control, but that doesn't mean shit in this game

Nor do they have benefits, draw speed doesn't mean anything if you're not swapping weapons 99% of the time

[nocturne smelt]

Control only matters for sway on long scopes from what I can tell

[molten moon]

I don't even think it does that, but I'm not 100% sure

[nocturne smelt]

I think it does, because with a long scope the sway on the M200 with like 0 control feels worse than the sway on others

Not 100% sure tho I don’t use long scopes

[molten moon]

I've used long zooms, but I mainly used mediums, so that's why I'm unsure

[quasi cairn]

Man med scope glint fucking sucks

It's removed half the sniper game in a single update

[static merlin]

Tfw you get a -0.20 control on a gun that already has 0 control nulifying the downside

[formal lynx]

Wait what does control do again? Aim Sway?

[strong epoch]

who fuckin knows

ive just accepted it does something but that ill probably never know

[strong epoch]

despite having been an extremely avid medium-scope user (and abuser) to circumvent the glint before the update, I do think it was necessary to add it to medium scopes for the sake of balance and fairness

That being said... i think that in addition to the new 3D pinging was a bit heavy handed against Recon as a class. Hopefully they will apply the same new glint mechanics to long range scopes, which will help a lot, but from what ive heard, glint on the long range scopes is the same size and cone of visibility as it always was, which means its still not really a viable scope for most situations, leaving only medium range scopes as your only options. Given they have glint now, its effectively an indirect nerf of the SSG69, as theres absolutely no point in using a long range scope on it, except now you have to deal with glint on medium scopes. The lack of glint, allowing the SSG69 to be a very stealthy sniper, was the only thing that made that rifle worth using. I feel for the new players who have no choice but to use it now

[hearty shoal]

i still feel the game would be fine with no glint from 0-400m on everything anything within that you can be hunted down

[wild lake]

Swap the curve for med scope

[oblique vapor]

Control is a dead stat

[quasi cairn]

Not at all, Half the skill of being a sniper was finding a good sniping position and searching for targets. All that is gone now med scopes have glint. Finding a good position is pointless because you light up like a fucking christmas tree as soon as you aim. Finding targets has been reduced to "Shoot the glowing area".

There is nothing left of the sniper game

[oblique vapor]

Glint on medium scopes is barely visible

[quasi cairn]

Looked pretty visible to me

And if as you say, it's barely visible then why not just get rid of it. You can't argue it's necessary but also has no effect on anything

[strong epoch]

"barely visible" and "has no effect on anything" are two completely different things, one of which Toonell didnt even say. stop weaving a web

[quasi cairn]

No web is being woven, but claiming it's barely visible is crap. It's visible and it has made sniping into a boring shooting gallery

[oblique vapor]

By barely visible I mean not noticible at the first glance but visible enough when you are actively searching for it

[wild lake]

This is what I'd do:

• Reduce the cone on long range glint (like it is on medium).
• Swap the medium scope glint curve left to right.
• Glint should shine the brightest on the point you're aiming at.
• The further away from the target point, the more dimmer it is.

This way: If you're aimed at: "omg I'm gonna get sniped, let's get to cover". And: Sniper don't get shot at all over the map because: "Hello world, I'm here" glint.

Add to binocular "spot glint of sniper" feature. So now Bino are the way to spot sniper, and now you can aim at them without making them notice you first.

[static merlin]

Nah for med scopes imo the effective range is around 50m minimum and 300m max. Over 300 meters it becomes p inconsistent to get headshots on rapidly moving targets (this is on l96, m200 prob would have way better max range)

[static merlin]

Would making glint bigger when using binos make it s crutch or not? Because it seems like we r just adding more time per shot on a class that already gets low amt of kills avg.

I kinda agree med scopes getting glint between 200m-400m tbh because they are still very effective at that range

[quasi cairn]

Or you know you could just do what snipers should be doing and try and work out where the enemy snipers are. They use tracer rounds it's not that hard.

[static merlin]

Unironically for snipers not the M200 the range they r most effective is around 50m-250m unless you’re some sort of aim god due to how fast people move in the game

[wild lake]

Idk, it's up to the dev to balance this tbh

[quasi cairn]

I have little confidence that they will

[wild lake]

Medx gadget for glint, should also receive a buff/rework tbh

[quasi cairn]

Auto spotting too? Why not just have the gun aim and shoot for you while you're at it.

[wild lake]

Bino/medx being recon anti sniper or sniper helper gadget, but better should be a thing tho

[hearty shoal]

not even kinda true :x maybe i just have the aim of god

[quasi cairn]

The Med scope was the anti sniper gadget. It was a reliable way for counter sniping even at extreme range

[wild lake]

nah. I meant like, you need to aim near the sniper to see the glint.

[static merlin]

I am a very aggressive player with the l96 so I do have a bias

[hearty shoal]

i play aggro with the MSR when my level allows it

[quasi cairn]

Oh so the glint is invisible until you look through the tool? I apologise, I actually think that's not a bad idea

[static merlin]

Ssg69 over 300m is pain though

[wild lake]

Not like: >Use binos >I see all the snipers on the map. more of: Look while zooming, and it'll give you the glint if you're close. Kinda like a hot or cold system.

[hearty shoal]

even 450 isnt even that bad

[wild lake]

yes

[static merlin]

450 aint that bad if they r moving in a predictable line

[wild lake]

I want a gadget that is fun, and make it your job to hunt snipers

Not a "sniper auto detector"

[quasi cairn]

Sorry i thought you meant that. Yeah the Binoc glint thing isn't a bad idea

[wild lake]

Then you could make that the mdx, also fake really well on the binos

so now you have a counter to the counter

[static merlin]

Also sucks how MSR is technically a worse L96. I respect anyone who uses it

[wild lake]

I should have expressed it in a better way tbh

[hearty shoal]

id use the r700 but the ammo economy is just too bad

[static merlin]

F the r700

[hearty shoal]

all snipers need min 8 shots/mag

[static merlin]

At least MSR had an amazing shot sound

[quasi cairn]

IMO though, the best solution would be to balance would be to get rid of med scope glint, Increase muzzle flash for snipers and make sniper bullet tracers extra visible

[hearty shoal]

there is increased muzzle flash the tracer is already highly visible

[quasi cairn]

If people think that the med scope needs glint for balance they're clearly not visible enough

[wild lake]

you could also make sniper bullet passing by super unique.

So that anyone can tell if it's a random gun or it's a sniper

[quasi cairn]

Exactly

[hearty shoal]

people dont really understand that if they sniper is behind them youll never see a glint so to that effect it doesnt matter how big it is

[static merlin]

There is no reason to use ranger barrel now too

[hearty shoal]

yeah snipers need to one tap exos again

[quasi cairn]

Increased bullet velocity i guess

[hearty shoal]

:x lemme tell you a secret velo is a meme stat

[static merlin]

The reason its “no longer visible” is because theres no fucking reason to not use supressors on snipers now smh

They really didn’t think it through

[hearty shoal]

i mean really there was no reason to use ranger barrel on anything other than the m200

exclusively for removing exos

[static merlin]

Yeah you can use ranger or long barrel for vel

So you still have muzzle flash

[hearty shoal]

you still can 😛

[quasi cairn]

But seriously part of counter sniper play was watching for sniper rounds and following them back to their source. Now i get that sometimes it's difficult to work out which ones are sniper but sticking a big sign above enemy snipers saying "Bad guy here" hardly seems like a solution. If they made sniper rounds much more visible than other rounds, it would lower the skill barrier without removing that aspect of the gameplay

[static merlin]

But why would you if long supressor does the same exact thing, and with no muzzle flash?????

[quasi cairn]

As it stands there is a class called recon that is actively penalised for doing its role

[static merlin]

It can’t even do its named role rn

Auto spotting advanced binos when

[quasi cairn]

Advanced Binos that aren't useless when

[static merlin]

^^^^

[quasi cairn]

It seems odd to call them advanced when they have less functionality than normal binoculars

[hearty shoal]

you dont lose aim down time with ranger vs supp better for quick scoping

[static merlin]

Just use angled grip

[hearty shoal]

use both

[static merlin]

I’ve been quickscoping at 50m with a ling suppressor l96

The extra 0.02 is not that much better

[hearty shoal]

you asked why 😛

but it is better

[static merlin]

Fair enough

Its so miniscule ads improvement that becomes base again once you use angled

[hearty shoal]

also dare i say remove DMRs from assault engie/recon only

kekw

nothing seems assaulty about dmr assaults with infinite ammo sitting on a hill

[quasi cairn]

I haven't really found it to be an issue

[strong epoch]

oh lookie. more sniper rifle nerfs... "yay"
/s

[rigid shard]

i can't believe they murdered snipers even further

[quasi cairn]

Yep, balancing principle seems to be "when in doubt, nerf snipers to shut people up"

[strong epoch]

glint angle reduction on long range scopes is much appreciated, but a bullet trail, AND sound range increase, AND distinctive whizz sounds?

[rigid shard]

hmm.. i wonder where the sniper could be

[quasi cairn]

But i've been assured it's "barely visible"

[winter haven]

This is great IMO. If the trails end up being too much I hope they will make it fade way faster

But I think it's worthy of being tested in-game first

[rigid shard]

have fun going recon and sneaking behind enemy lines just to get shot at by the whole team after 1 shot

[hearty shoal]

:x nah it really should never make it to game

that is a HORRIBLE change for sniper and only reinforces a gameplay style NOBODY likes

[winter haven]

One adjustment I would make personally is to have the trail become more transparent the more you move off its axis

[quasi cairn]

Yeah I know. I can get about 3 kills behind enemy lines now before they respawn and come stomp me

[hearty shoal]

they do this anyway BEFORE this update

[quasi cairn]

not if you're remotely competent. That's how good sniper positioning works

[hearty shoal]

not if you are facing enemies that have any actual skill

[quasi cairn]

Of course if you're the kind of imbecile sniper who just stands up and fire's like he's reancting the battle of waterloo, they yes that happened before the update

[winter haven]

I think the trail lingers too long personally, it doesn't need to be there for long at all to do the job intended. But that assumes you get the chance to look around and finf the trail before you get hit vy the next shot.

Remember the video shows someone who already knows where the sniper is, and that means the glint is also already visible

[quasi cairn]

I question your implication that i'm the best sniper in this game.

[strong epoch]

its gonna be especially bad for brand new players with all this shit. the only thing that made the SSG69 usable in the past was, specifically, the complete lack of glint on the medium scopes. now those have glint too. and the gun is gonna be audible from further. and the guns already relatively really slow projectile, which was already plenty easy to see with just the tracer, will have a bullet trail.

the ssg has always sucked shit for new players. at this point oki is just demonstrating that he needs someone else to be responsible for recon balancing

[winter haven]

Positioning alone is likely to make this a very small balancing change in practice

[strong epoch]

nah. it'd be one thing if this sound spread and bullet trail change was added universally across all guns. but it isnt. its just sniper rifles, which are already in the middle of a rebalancing via glint rework. we havent even gotten the long range scope glint change, and the paint hasnt even dried on the medium scope glint changes, and oki is already all like "I HEARD YOU WANT BULLET TRAILS"

[quasi cairn]

It's amazing how much time the devs spend nerfing snipers considering what a small percentage of total kills they make up

[rigid shard]

meanwhile dont look at the current state of smgs

🤣

[hearty shoal]

UMP up ultra good

[quasi cairn]

SMGs are OP... better nerf the sniper rifles again

[sonic anchor]

smgs are quite balanced actually, only the ump is standing out and the pp19 is kind of drowning actually

[quasi cairn]

tbf i didn't mind the ssg too much. I was landing 12-1300m shots with mine

[strong epoch]

IMO, the sound spread increase is something that should be applied, but to all guns, and not to 2 fucking kilometres. but the bullet trail is just dumb. tracers are already bright as fuck

[quasi cairn]

Of course, now it's got scope glint it's going to suck hard

[hearty shoal]

tbh the trails should be applied to DMRs too

[quasi cairn]

I honestly have less of a problem with trails than I do with the glint. I'd settle for trails and noise if they got rid of med scope glint

[sonic anchor]

wait til you find out that soundspread is only really effective for 10% of the range it supposedly is, 600m is more like 60m in game while playing...

[quasi cairn]

At least trails only reveal you when you actually shoot

But yeah realistically, just make sniper tracers super bright or green or something

[hearty shoal]

youll have a problem with trails when you finally get that good flank shoot one person and everyone turns around

[strong epoch]

im pretty confident most players arent doing that. i have a bit over 2k kills on it, i love the gun (well, now that the scythe skin is missing...), and i think its fun, but that doesnt change the fact its just not very good.

[sonic anchor]

we already have that, the "bullets" we fire are actually just tracers

[quasi cairn]

I know, re read my message

[sonic anchor]

well the smoke trail is different from a tracer yk

[quasi cairn]

I'm suggesting we increase the brightness of those tracers

[quasi cairn]

I do, which is why i did not mention smoke trails in my message

[strong epoch]

oh im painfully aware. hence why i think it needs to be a change across all guns. but a 3+ times increase for just sniper rifles relative to other guns is just... oki moment

[sonic anchor]

still waiting for sound rework, hope there's a sound calculation overhaul from someone with sound design knowledge as well 🥹

[nocturne smelt]

The glint change does look great

Only see it when they’re actually aiming at you

[sonic anchor]

tbh i don't think brighter/bigger tracers would help with what oki is presumably trying to achieve

[nocturne smelt]

The sound and ridiculous tracers seem a bit overkill

[quasi cairn]

what are they trying to achieve? Removing any element of skill from being a sniper?

[sonic anchor]

encouraging either really close range aggressive sniping or kyle hilling them bitches, idfk
can't talk to the devs

but i'm no sniper either so 🤷

[rigid shard]

funny asf how DMRs are untouched since those are actually used by other classes, too. watch them suffer the same nerfs and it'd be a diff story

[strong epoch]

also, perhaps this is just me, but the new angle for glint still seems a biiit wide for the 6x and 8x scopes, when you consider the glint is still really bright and easy to see. within the angle of the inner 2/3 of the scope picture wouldnt hurt, and full scope picture for 15x and up

especially the 6x. its really not a terribly high magnification, so glint for anything in your scope picture is way way more than what you are "aiming at"

[quasi cairn]

Not sure how the med scope glint helps with long range sniping? Is your glint not visible to all the people standing in your scope picture who are between you and your target?

[hearty shoal]

maybe if sniper is gonna get all these nerfs maybe hell make it so you cant revive people headshot by snipers after all this if you get killed is your fault 100%

[quasi cairn]

As if devs will give sniper any buffs as a class

[strong epoch]

i have yet to play this map, so this demonstration is utterly unhelpful to me. what rough distance is that?
#dev-wip message

[rigid shard]

fr fr

[quasi cairn]

4-500m i'd guess

[strong epoch]

thats not to bad for 400-500m. but still flatout dumb its only for sniper rifles. tbh, the bullet trail and sound spread change would be more fitting if they were M200-exclusive

the m200 is pretty much the only of the sniper rifles where the tracer is not reliably visible if its passing close by you, and it could use a whole raft of nerfs otherwise to make it less overwhelming for the other sniper rifles

and while im on a rant, ill add this in; fix glint hiding for fuck's sake

[quasi cairn]

I assume the next update will attach flashing neon lights to all snipers

[sonic anchor]

pushes them more into cqb sniping ig

[quasi cairn]

CQB sniping? That's not a real thing.

That's just some guy with a bolt action at close range

[sonic anchor]

it is, 150m or less...

[quasi cairn]

Again, it's just a dude with a bolt action

[vagrant thistle]

Sooo the update makes suppressors even more so the only useful attachment on snipers

Interesting

[static merlin]

Wtf is Oki trying to add tracers on snipers??

[hearty shoal]

yep

[static merlin]

They keep nerfing a class that is already getting fucked over?

[hearty shoal]

tracers would be a great tradeoff for DMRs not glinting oki pls

[static merlin]

Wow its as if the point of having a sniper is to be stealthy and kill players with precision and skill

Fuck you for doing your role indeed

[vagrant thistle]

dmrs dont glint already

[hearty shoal]

no

[vagrant thistle]

Yes

Dmrs do not have glint

Unless you use the 6x scope on them

[static merlin]

Wait so if we r 50m away from someone my sniper will leave a fucking trace even with a supressor?

Wtf

[vagrant thistle]

yes

[static merlin]

Fuck this

Oki singlehandedly fucking over non camping snipers

If you get into a good flanking position near the frontline you basically get fucked now

[mental rain]

would be fine(?) if snipers had higher velocity

[hearty shoal]

snipers dont really need higher velo aside from like the ssg

[vagrant thistle]

Interesting that they made sound spread exact same for every sniper

[mental rain]

tru

[vagrant thistle]

Would of been interesting if they balanced it for each sniper

Honestly these changes aint even that bad except the sound spread

[solid oracle]

Sniper lore: invisible assassin
BBR lore: flashlight

[hearty shoal]

nah

[vagrant thistle]

Atleast we get reduced glint cone

[hearty shoal]

the only issue is the tracer everything else is fine

[vagrant thistle]

Waiting for the day that the L96 and M200 arent the only useful snipers

Mfers buffed the already good weapons before they reworked snipers

[hearty shoal]

MSR

[mental rain]

mfw flashlights and lasers dont have lens flare

[strong epoch]

as someone with like, 4k on the MSR, i can confidently say its a pile of shite

its awesome. but still shite

[hearty shoal]

its not shite its balanced 😛

SSG is shite

r700 is shite

the msr is only a little worse than the l96

[vagrant thistle]

sv98

[hearty shoal]

sv98 is okay

[vagrant thistle]

so why would you use it

[hearty shoal]

i do use it

[vagrant thistle]

Why

[hearty shoal]

but the issue is i prestiege

so i am locked out of it for 130 levels kekw

[hearty shoal]

because it makes up for it in other places

[vagrant thistle]

such as

[hearty shoal]

the sound is quieter than the l96

less noticeable

[strong epoch]

if it were the only sniper rifle, sure it might be balanced. but in the presence of even just the L96 its got a bunch of downsides with not a single upside, and even the R700 is probably a better rifle, not to mention the M200. the MSR is the posterchild of shit oki has just stopped caring about

[hearty shoal]

when supressed ofc

r700 has no ammo

[strong epoch]

cant r700 get a 12-rnd extended mag?

[hearty shoal]

l96 can get 15 extended

[strong epoch]

that still reloads faster than the MSRs 6-rnd mag?

[vagrant thistle]

Me when they balance the already balanced guns (m4 and ak74) before they balance the shitfest that is the entire sniper category

[strong epoch]

weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

its legit goofy tho

IMO, simply swapping MSR and M200 damage around would be a great bandaid solution until the category gets a proper rework

[vagrant thistle]

Nah

no half ass changes

Stop edging us with the fixes

[strong epoch]

half an ass for half the time is better than no ass for double the time

[static merlin]

I can’t fucking believe the Oki’s solution to camping snipers is to force non-camping snipers to also camp