Vehicle - Feedback

[desert cove]

Good luck with that. Will end up like tandem, or be totally useless, because there is to much factors to consider to make it balanced.
Inf counter must be, effective, easy to use (make it hard to use they will whine for buffs), will be avalibe to every one (potential dozens of them on field, but only 1 LB to shoot at), and it must feel like you are contributing while using it. So no matter what you do, it will begood against helis individually, but dozens of people will run it. And then blackhawkc will be hurt much more than LB still, because they are biggger, slower targets, more avalibe, and with shorter respawn.

[clever vessel]

Also i wonder if any of us are reddit famous now

[desert cove]

Some infamous lol

[torpid elk]

😁

[clever vessel]

Lolol

[torpid elk]

Can i replay to grot saying "i am literally here" and ask him where he is or is that cyberbullying?

[sour swallow]

Why am I a clown I haven’t done anything

[clever vessel]

Not sure you’d get a location, are you sure he’d know where his basement is

Hey hey hey, i’ll have you know the molemen leave their houses

This has actually made me look at the bbr reddit

I kinda wanna lobotomize myself now

[desert cove]

It isn't really, quite ok people if you talk to them

[torpid elk]

Yea, thats mean of me. Probably plenty who are fine

[clever vessel]

They’re probably mostly good people yeah

Mb, ain’t cool to paint them all with a brush

[desert cove]

There is like 4 who do collusion

[wheat tiger]

The clan leader didn't help though

[clever vessel]

But god damn the hell is with their clan leader

[torpid elk]

Like... i can see it. You start flying the lb and get good and want to join a clan focused around it

[desert cove]

Nothing?

He just didn't cared what his members are doing

[torpid elk]

Still, i get to say i called it. In the days and weeks after release i was saying we would start seeing people go 200/0 in helis and it would cause problems

[wheat tiger]

The clan leader has some wild takes

[clever vessel]

Also that reddit post is still recycling a helluva lot of the vehicle tropes

[desert cove]

But got personally targeted on fucki g reddit for that

Which is terrible

[clever vessel]

Is he just joking in that screencap

I can’t tell it’s so out of context

[torpid elk]

Im going to call it what it is...

The dude is fucking stupid when it comes to public image. He made it easy to hate him

[desert cove]

I am acquaintanced with him to a poitn, his takes were better than vast majority of playerbase,

[desert cove]

That's true actually

[clever vessel]

And honestly? His takes weren’t really even that bad in the grand scheme of things

Didn’t seem like he had much power on the feedback team anyways

[wheat tiger]

Maybe I'm just the average player who's just playing the game after work, because seeing the teaming of LB pilots of both teams to farm kills does cross a line for me

[clever vessel]

Like to be clear encouraging/inaction to crossteaming and griefing? P bad

You know what’s so much worse? The current game balance

Real, just saying ‘yeah we don’t condone that shit’ would have been such a boost

[torpid elk]

But as usually, i see the same behaviors in him as i seen in fucking github drama (look, my mother watches soaps and i watch the cdda community implode for the 5 time this year)

[clever vessel]

That post about him is like ‘LITTLEBIRD ABUSER’ and acts like people using the littlebird are the problem when like… it’s just that the LB isn’t balanced properly, go figure

[wheat tiger]

The question is, what will be the next thing that'll get abused ?

On a sidenote, is that a freaking Mammoth Mk2 as your pfp ? @torpid elk

[torpid elk]

Cdda players go "why did you remove this option, we liked the customizability" and dda devs do everthing in their power to look like assholes and lie about the workload of suppporting features and shit and lose all sorts of goodwill when...

All the dda devs (and grot) had to do was reevaluate their decisions and say something like "wow, sorry. We had no idea so many people felt that way. We will be reevaulating our development priorities"

[clever vessel]

All this shit does is pin the game’s decline on the LB, when like. The problem is that the game isn’t at all fucking versatile, sadly

The game, frankly, has a shit core gameplay loop which is barely designed or accounted for, with balance issues out the wazoo that encourage increasingly boring methods of play

[torpid elk]

How grot could have avoided having a new asshole torn: "wow, sorry. I had no idea players were so frustrated by littlebirds and that crossteaming was such a problem. I will be reevaluating my priorities and the way my clan is run"

[clever vessel]

Nerf the littlebird and all you’ve done is nerf the littlebird. Every other vehicle is still designed with 1940 french dna, everyone is still running like flocks of headless chickens, and everything is still, sadly, awfully unpolished

[limpid flame]

Nerf LB And community will complain about tanks

Never ending cycle

[clever vessel]

Well they have been and have continued to tbh

[wheat tiger]

Complaining about tanks ? Idk man, I murder tanks on a daily basis

[clever vessel]

Like yeah! I agree. LB needs a bit of a nerf, a bit more weight, change to its role. But i don’t think one clan dealing a couple 200-0s a day is slitting BBR’s throat in its sleep

[limpid flame]

There are posts about tanks aswell, 1 a day cause every Focus is on LBs rn but ther3 are there

[clever vessel]

Used to be 4 a day before LB skill levels went up

[wheat tiger]

You just need a squad of backcapper engies to completely render the enemy vehicles useless

[limpid flame]

Kuro you know my take, im all for BALANCED nerfs

And I agree with you here a lot

[desert cove]

I mean yeah, but they should be banned for that. But they just werent, even now, among the drama

It just shows you that mods don't care about griefing

[wheat tiger]

That's kinda sad

[clever vessel]

Yeye ikik

[desert cove]

And there is evidence for banning them

[clever vessel]

That’s the real thing, been noticing a lot just zero griefing bans

Half the things inf players come here and say, ‘hey, this is a vehicle problem’ is just some griefer doing some stupid ass shit

[torpid elk]

Playerbase is pretty bad at identifying problems... but once you introduce them to the proper issue they tend to recognize it instantly.

I think the discussions i have in levolution highlight that pretty well.

[desert cove]

Not really a collusion yet. Thay just don't fight eachother. I also often don't fight other vehicles. Because its not worth it simply

[clever vessel]

Yeah i don’t either, when i play apc i don’t engage anything that ain’t a humvee truthfully speakin

[torpid elk]

The issue with tanks is similar to snipers. They can feel oppressive regardless of the strength of their actual impact on the gsme

[limpid flame]

Mods dont even care about actual griefing

[wheat tiger]

Hey also, is strapping C4 on front of a car/quad to go blow up enemies considered griefing/exploiting ?

[clever vessel]

I’ve got 20 shots and a third of them are gonna miss fuck you i ain’t shooting that abrams or that BH

[desert cove]

It takea full minute to kill a tank with a tank, that's a joke I will not tak part in

[wheat tiger]

Because I've gotten lots of reports on my profile since i've started doing that

[clever vessel]

No not really? The other issue is that the griefing report is being used solely to report people players don’t like

[desert cove]

Suciside jeep is not. Strapping C4 to friendly vehicles so enemy can shoot it and kill it easier is.

[clever vessel]

My friend got reported for ‘camping’ with a DMR

It’s not a very widespread issue i don’t think? Except for the LBs

[wheat tiger]

Suicide jeeps on tanks is really funni

[clever vessel]

You kinda deserve the suicide jeep on a tank tbh, those are so hard to do usually

[torpid elk]

Hmmm... maybe wire/laser guided missiles wouldnt be so bad for the game as an AA tool. Anyone ever use the antivehicle turret engineers could build in planetside 2?

basically, instead of a homing missile it is one that requires player guidance

[desert cove]

On tank you do. In APC you can't se shit. Can't react to what you don't see

[sour swallow]

Tbh I didn’t really care but by the end of the match they were on the same team both in the LBs which was pretty meh

[torpid elk]

It would require you still need to aim and lead helis but you can react to sudden changes in movement instead of with bullets where all your shots miss because they zigged instead of zagged

[clever vessel]

Oh right

[clever vessel]

Guided missiles sound a good kick-off for some vech customization options too

[torpid elk]

Just please dont make them 1shot infantry

[desert cove]

Guided missles sound like a good way to not solve the problem, but at the same time make Blackhawks useless and to easy to kill. Just like in BF, when even missles have problem with good pilots

And it definitely sounds like whining for low skill counter, because people can't/can't be arsed to do anything else than point and click

[clever vessel]

you could make them only available at stationary positions or vechs

[desert cove]

Stationary positions can be easily ignored by semi conpetent person. Vehicle seems right tho

[clever vessel]

my thought is give that buildable only to supports, and they have to give up two gadgets otherwise

[torpid elk]

Depends on the missile physics... but yea one of the issues is anything strong against lb will likely be strong against bh unless we are real careful

[desert cove]

But still, I don't like missle idea at all

Amd I don't even fly helis

[clever vessel]

yeah that's fair enough

also it'll adversely hit ground vechs

ppl using them against ground vechs will be a nightmare

[desert cove]

Even being carefull doesn't help

Because making them able to counter LB, and giving them to everyone, makes it perfest agains BH

People will take them at the start to shot down all helis in munite or so

Some things work on 32vs32, but not on 127v127

[torpid elk]

Only if widely available... which kinda goes to what i said about c4

we have a serious problem with the availability of various tools. Balance is actually near impossible to slot into that middle zome between op and weak without having a lever on availability

[desert cove]

You can't limit them, other than on vehicle

[clever vessel]

also it's infuriating that at some point, oki clearly knew this, and yet still abandoned using availability as a major balancer for c4

[desert cove]

People will be angry if you make them 1 per squad

[torpid elk]

Something only slightly stronger becomes massively dominant and used by everyone because everyone recognizes it had that slight strength

[torpid elk]

Squad points. We have a system like right there! Its just itching for a rebalance and to be more integrated with the rest of the game

[desert cove]

10 min in, no heli in sight

People have 1000+ points at this point

Make it too expensive, no one will use it

[torpid elk]

You completely overlooked the words "rebalance"

[desert cove]

That's a big "WHAT IF"

[torpid elk]

Im going to be blunt, the current tying of squad points purely to kills on points and capturing points is fucking stupid and creates an insane surplus of them on most modes

[warm abyss]

surplus for some and drout for others

[desert cove]

Yes that's true

[torpid elk]

I think making them a steady income over time could be a better option

[warm abyss]

I will say this, I have been in more than afew squads yesturday that had 0 points a majority of the time and I was the only using them

[torpid elk]

Based on number of members on squad that is... so you dont just have 127 squads getting huge point income

[warm abyss]

And I would say I don't go crazy beside on wakistan

(Wakistan I just go crazy on the bridge with a barricade)

[opaque lily]

What is this plane's name?

[warm abyss]

looks like a WW2 one to be honest

also will say I enjoy the A10 for what it is lol

[torpid elk]

But yea, rebalance squad point income and costs to allow choices like "build anti-air weapon once evsry 5 minutes or build 5 barbed wire every 5 minutes or buy humvee every 2 minutes"

[torpid elk]

Skywarden

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air_Tractor-L3Harris_AT-802U_Sky_Warden

[torpid elk]

A10 is nice but i prefer dirt fucking cheap while still being just as capable

[opaque lily]

I don't know what's going on but there is litterally zero excuses for teaming in enemy Littlebirds. Should pruge whoever done it from whatever clan the represent with no trial.

[desert cove]

A10 sucks, and people who think otherwise are just uninformed

The best this plane is , is killing Brits and serving as a downgrade to Aadvark

[torpid elk]

What i mean by "nice" is it tickles my pickle. I am under no illusions that it is a good or effective aircraft

I love the f14 too because fucking god i love variable wings

I love the flying dorrito

[warm abyss]

said I enjoy it for what it is lol

Brrt machine supreme and ork incarnate

[clever vessel]

Not gonna lie my man i assumed that was some coked up shit the fighter plane mafia dreamt up

[desert cove]

Surprisingly, no. Its good and competent design

No Burton or Sprey in sight

[clever vessel]

The world if the gulf war never happened:

[supple mauve]

Anyway, are there any other vehicle changes confirmed besides the LB one?

[desert cove]

So far no

In future propably

[cedar ember]

Lol imagine throwing a fit when the little bird is changed to not fly like a UFO

[limpid flame]

@opaque lily how does transport lb behave after this patch

[desert cove]

Who does that?

[supple mauve]

https://old.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/16g5x8w/so_let_me_get_this_straight_the_founder_of_a_clan/

[desert cove]

It's MUCH more complicated than saying physics changes are bad

Which I agree with, they won't solve the problem

Other actions are more appropriate

Like sustain, or dmg values

[rancid hound]

jesus christ just stfu with the LB argument please

[supple mauve]

Don't behave like a mod, you aren't one 🙂

[rancid hound]

I don't need to be a mod to know how dumb it is and how easily it can turn into an unnecessary fight

[supple mauve]

Cool story, someone asked, I answered

[rancid hound]

what are you even trying to imply

[desert cove]

Everyone

Wtf

[queen light]

What Rep? They recieved death threats the moment they started playing

They have no Rep to loose

[torpid elk]

Eugh, let me go find my post again about communities being awful at pr

[queen light]

Thats what happens when people blame the players and not the balance

[torpid elk]

#1138533470348525699 message

[desert cove]

This, this right here

[golden estuary]

So the flak they cop isn't unfounded

[torpid elk]

I actually do miss old wiggle because i cant wiggle dance to people anymore

[desert cove]

But LB op is deavs fault tbh

[golden estuary]

It is at the root caused by the devs, but players insisting that it isn't op? Fault is on them too.

[queen light]

Few players did

[desert cove]

I too think it isn't op, it's high skill high reward glass cannon. It's strong when used correctly, but useles in the hands of anyone else. If the game was 40k peak, not 10k, it wouldn't be such a big problem, because those few dozens players would be spread out more

[golden estuary]

Few players, except they got into important roles like the feedback team 😂

[queen light]

200 - 0 too much tho lol

[queen light]

1 Guy vs like 20 others

[desert cove]

Lets wait till community lears who else is there

[golden estuary]

Mfw the whole point of tanks/apc being weak in bbr was oki trying to avoid the battlefield style stomps

[patent edge]

Anyhow shibeairlines still og

[golden estuary]

And yet LB gets a free pass lmao

[desert cove]

That's 1. 6 of enemy team. BF helis can go 2x,3x enemy team in kills

It's looks big, but we are playing on 127 teams

And inf can go this high too, with better KPM

[queen light]

Who said Battlefields balancing is good

[sour swallow]

We don’t play battlefield because our computers can’t run it

That’s why we are here on Battlebit dominating

[queen light]

not enough to do this byhimself tho

[torpid elk]

Because some of us fly alright?

[golden estuary]

I don't play battlefield because I disagree with their mtx

I'll be readying some booze and popcorn to see the weekend failure 😂

[desert cove]

Skilled players will not die that easy

[queen light]

seems like the upside down thing wasnt really the problem

[desert cove]

Revos a troll? LB player yes. Troll, definitely not. He has good takes for our standarda

[queen light]

They have given up on everything lmao

[sour swallow]

I come in here everyday

Post some shit

Same guys getting mad

[queen light]

Oh yeah

[sour swallow]

It’s a vicious cycle

[queen light]

Its fun isnt it

[golden estuary]

How low are them standards 😂

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123749073699225723/1138647506230714389/image0.gif

[queen light]

I dont even blame you, i find it hilarious

[desert cove]

And who made them low huh? No patrean backerf fr

I have seen some shit here, Revos most shitty take is LB doesn't need nerfs

[golden estuary]

Imagine trying to flex with a patreon role 😂 what even

[queen light]

true

[desert cove]

Not really, just that we tend to have good takes, Anime nerd also

[heady jewel]

Why do the lb considered broken now😔

[sour swallow]

Drew is rolling in the Zloty

[golden estuary]

I already considered it broken first time I flew it on launch, but there were bigger fish to fry like vector and lean spamming.

Because any mfer can take a vector and lean spam, while there's only a couple helis available.

Squeakiest gear gets the grease

[warm abyss]

I shall state this

[heady jewel]

I just don’t think it’s that broken

[queen light]

People didnt care, they nerfed the lb for a clan lol

[heady jewel]

I’ve shot down countless lb

[warm abyss]

aircraft tends to be a interesting thing for balance

[heady jewel]

Pilots and all

[warm abyss]

in this game I would say it is similar to PS2 where you have air aces & newbies with little between

[queen light]

I think every aspect of the game need rebalancing

[golden estuary]

Yeah, it's definitely the psychologically more acceptable approach

Than constant tiny nerfs

[desert cove]

Yeah, basically that

[queen light]

Like why is like every infantrymen capable to destroy a tank huh

[sour swallow]

My first ever pointing up emoji on actual feedback

[queen light]

No wonder they camp in spawn

[heady jewel]

What makes it broken? It can easily be shot down by infantry and a Blackhawk

[desert cove]

That's it is when you make high skill high reward vehicles, majoruty fucks at it, minority dominates

[golden estuary]

This is when you edit the message to say LB needs buffs not nerfs

[heady jewel]

I genuinely don’t understand

[warm abyss]

effectively high skill ceiling and floor is what is happening to my knowledge Mokey

[golden estuary]

Easily be shot down by infantry is a massive overstatement 😂

[heady jewel]

Is it

😔

[golden estuary]

Unless you alpha them down, any dot they'll just run away from.

Like once every 100 kills

[queen light]

no more often

[golden estuary]

All of the time for sure 😂

[queen light]

They only post the good matches

[golden estuary]

And yet they claim "oh yeah at least 50 kills before dying every match on average"

So they're not exactly the most reliable source

[golden estuary]

That's Rev0s 😂

And woody lmao

[sour swallow]

[supple mauve]

Getting 100+ kills should be a super rare occurence, it's definitely not as rare as you make it out to be

[queen light]

its rare

[golden estuary]

It's common enough that people have been complaining about it

[queen light]

but they play the game like 24/7

[supple mauve]

I mean, that doesn't change that it's not rare

Also, considering you are part of the clan, you should probably know your biases

[queen light]

If you play casino 24/7 you have more a chance to win

same principle

more or less maybe

[queen light]

Bro didnt read the messages i sent in here

[golden estuary]

Bro that analogy is so bad and so wrong

[golden estuary]

Your chance to win stays the same... It's your average winnings that stabilises at whatever the house has it set to.. Aka it moves towards being a loss.

[queen light]

the more you play, the more chances you have, no?

[golden estuary]

Yea but the probability stays the same.

[patent edge]

Yes laws of averages

[gentle tendon]

(you also forget that lady luck is a bitch sometimes)

[supple mauve]

So why is it mainly happening with the LB then.

[golden estuary]

Bbr players when encountering math 😂

[wide relic]

I just wish lb where in shooting range so u can practice more sweats are in it all game like a mil sim 🤣

[supple mauve]

How many games are there of people going 100 - less than 5 deaths as anything but the LB?

[queen light]

Yeah thats what the example is not accounting for

[golden estuary]

Bbr LB is super arcadey to the point it handles better than arma 3 quadcopter drone

[queen light]

Just ignoring the other Helicopter focused clans

[wide relic]

Last 6 matches I played of conq 4 of them most kills were heli pilots

[supple mauve]

If the leader wasn't shit and actually cleared his clan, people wouln't hate it

[golden estuary]

Because they're not only doing the killing but also actively working against balancing..

[queen light]

Hes trolling and you guys giving him the stage

[patent edge]

Cuz blackhawk u need a functioning team of rpgs and gunners so the kills are split between them

[supple mauve]

Yeah, but that's fine

[queen light]

Bruh Grote was 1 guy of 20

[golden estuary]

If they want to act like a clown then don't go crying when they get treated like clowns.

[queen light]

You people really dont understand they want you to go crazy

[golden estuary]

Sure lmao

[queen light]

They made a fake cheat website, that was the beginning xD

[harsh carbon]

Isnt lb fixed

[supple mauve]

Okay cool

[golden estuary]

Ngl, a clan purposely acting like clowns is one good way to identify a circus.

If it quacks like a duck and looks like a duck

[queen light]

i think @sour swallow can confirm that trolling is so much fun

[supple mauve]

The difference is that James is actually funny

[harsh carbon]

Is lb fixed

[wide relic]

Makes me wanna chill in the water in wit the gun boat an shoot the rotors out from them

[queen light]

Trolling can be fun for both sides or just one

[queen light]

Amen

[supple mauve]

Sure, but then don't except people to not hate your clan if it's known for badly trolling, lol

[wide relic]

Not really just means people all clowns there an they get karma back

[queen light]

THEY WANT YOU GUYS TO HATE THEM GOD DAMMIT

How do people dont see through this lool

[supple mauve]

Who cares about what they want?

[queen light]

the got so popular by being hated

[supple mauve]

Okay, good for them?

[golden estuary]

Uh huh

[wide relic]

Any publcity is good publicity

[golden estuary]

Beacon for the mod hammer lmao

[wide relic]

Lmao I mean can they really do anything as long as u stay wit in the rules?

[queen light]

for not caring you guys did a good job making them very well known in the community

[golden estuary]

Like how they try to justify colluding with clanners on opposite teams 😂

[queen light]

People want them to get banned because they wanna play in a big group lol

[supple mauve]

"Oh no, everyone knows now that this one clan is shit"

[queen light]

oh yeah thats some ahole move

[wide relic]

They should be ive seen them on opposite teams leave the other lb alone like they had a deal

[queen light]

I mean the 40 new members since yesterday didnt come from nothing

[supple mauve]

40 new members? 😮

[queen light]

Yeah bbr should do a teaming rule

[queen light]

Given how many they had before its very good

[golden estuary]

Brother it's already part of the game. There's 2 teams. US and RU

[wide relic]

Which I don’t get I always go after clan mates when there on opposite teams

[queen light]

do you really believe LB do care about unwritten rules?

Thats the problem

[golden estuary]

Time to make people sign a contract every time they fly an LB because obviously those cunts can't behave themselves

[queen light]

Make it a rule, warn them to not do it again

[golden estuary]

Mfw we have to agree to the toxic behaviour disclaimer every time we join a server

And if colluding isn't toxic behaviour, then what is lmao

[queen light]

Both sides are Toxic sooo

[supple mauve]

I hope you realize they don't even need to make any rules, they can just ban them - what are they gonna do about it besides crying?

[queen light]

and its not really a point against specifying whats allowed and whats not

[queen light]

Just banning people because they can yikes

[golden estuary]

Don't need unethical people with no sportsmanship that try to skirt around fair play.

Banned for toxic behaviour: colluding with opposing team. Easy enough.

[queen light]

yeah right

[supple mauve]

Yup, that's how it works

[queen light]

I guess death threats are ok as long its against the people you dont like?

[golden estuary]

Wow ban = death threat 😂

Nice logic bro

[heady jewel]

What did fly ace even do

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123749073699225723/1138647506230714389/image0.gif

[queen light]

Fly

[queen light]

Wdym logic, you people seem to forget that both sides are full of toxic people

[supple mauve]

Just check Reddit, there are multiple threads about it

[heady jewel]

No thanks

Tldr please

[golden estuary]

You seem to forget that two wrongs don't make a right lmao

[queen light]

Where tf did i say that m8

[supple mauve]

No one advocates for sending death threats here, I am not even sure where you got that from.

[golden estuary]

1. Clan lead in LB feedback team, obvious case of bias.

2. Clan is almost always opposed to any LB balancing that is a nerf.

3. Clan members colluding with each other, having pilots on both teams agreeing to a truce to fly unopposed and farm infantry.

4. Trying to host a weekend clan pub stomp aimed at griefing pubs because clan lead got removed from feedback team.

And I think that's a very brief and probably non-comprehensive summary of why they are copping flak

[supple mauve]

Wait, when did they try being nice?

The first time I read something from Grote, it was about how he defended one of his toxic members

[queen light]

https://imgur.com/bD8UTZK

[golden estuary]

First time I read about them was them being on heli feedback team and then being removed lmao.

[queen light]

https://imgur.com/5P58shJ

[golden estuary]

Don't go around being toxic 😂 man did not practise what they preached.

[supple mauve]

Revos is known for doing the "everyone bad, I am skilled, you are dumb, I was folded 1000 times and can cut through any team with the LB" bit

[queen light]

As is said, theyve decided it wouldnt change anything

[golden estuary]

Lmao

The Russian approach, we'll be hostile because we assume they'll always be hostile.

[queen light]

They didnt assume

[supple mauve]

Yeah cool that they decided that, sucks for them I guess

[queen light]

The death threats came before they went full on toxic

[golden estuary]

I'm in a hole and I'm gonna keep digging it. Damn you for making me dig deeper!

[sour swallow]

Tfw the enemy pilot hits you with good game after going 200-0

Good game for him maybe

[thorny mason]

do we know if transport littlebirds are being hit with the flight model nerf? worried its gonna be overtuned

[queen light]

https://tenor.com/view/disintegrating-funny-thanos-gif-22399978

[queen light]

they are i think

Blackhawks too, no?

Anyway im gotta eat something gn

[thorny mason]

idk he's getting flamed on reddit

[golden estuary]

Rightfully so.

[thorny mason]

anyways i'm hoping it only affects super steep pitches and rolls and not just regular flight

[golden estuary]

His posts do be pretty unhinged.

[thorny mason]

already have to pitch pretty steep to pick up some speed

[limpid flame]

I've learned that it needs nerfs but not how the populace is dreaming of cause they dont know shit about balance. There is many balanced ways to nerf lb

[crude anvil]

Like what

[queen light]

Minigun damage, spray, ammo, overheat

[limpid flame]

IM not gonna talk about balance with a bunch of toxic kids that come here only to slander a person who wants the best, i've proposed the ideas many Times And if you are too lazy to check this feedback channel, not my problem

Work

[queen light]

BuT BArreL RoLLs

[limpid flame]

Just look at MapleIvon, Brother keeps bringing my name as if he was secretly in love with me, ganging up with other people to spread misinformation And lackluster opinions about me

Go of lad

Nice witch-hunt you guys have out here

[crude anvil]

First they came for the vector and I did not speak out

Then they came for the lean spammers and I did not speak out

Now they come for the little bird enthusiasts and there is nobody left to speak for me

[golden estuary]

Your reddit posts speak well enough for themselves, so do your chat history here to turning down any suggested LB nerf under the guise of "it won't change anything" or "show me one that I like"

[desert cove]

It doesn't needs nerfs, it needs worse sustain, and a counter. But not AA missles, and not available to everyone.
That's the tricky part

Well, technically it needs nerfs, because sustain should be nerfed, but it's not a nerf idiots would want/expect

[limpid flame]

You clearly do not understand that my reddit posts are purely to trigger more people cause you guys dont deserve actual reasoning cause it wont work

I proposed many MANY MANY good changes to LB that would be both fair for the heli plays and for the infantry guys that will keep crying anyways caues that is how it is for ages
I dont care anymore anyways, people wanted the physics nerf and the top 1% still does it's thing so 😛

[small flint]

no one cares you are fat and bald, probably hard stuck in csgo too

[limpid flame]

@worthy wave

[small flint]

MODS GET HIM HE CALLED ME FAT AND BALD! MODS!

[queen light]

People complain about FlyAce being toxic, while doing the same lol

[small flint]

MODS! GET HIM!

[wide relic]

I mean fly ace always act like cunts

[strange temple]

littlebirds need hard counter or some control revamp lmao
they change directions really easily. Like, literally, a guy can be flying and then suddenly he almost fly backwards around the same speed he was going forward

just some AA vehicle idk. Literally put a 30mm gatling on a truck and that would be enough

[gentle tendon]

Or allow the machine guns on the trucks we have to deal more damage to em,

[sour swallow]

I CAN POST IT

[queen light]

Why not buff the 50cals?

[strange galleon]

asuming the recent changes doesn't make them little blackhawks, I would give the littlebird the tail rotor weaknes but from every single weapon.

Let them be way more agile than the BH, but any random spray at you by a lucky enough guy to place 1 bullet in your tail rotor and you are dead.

Anyways, I'm just happy they decided to nerf it, I thought I was going crazy seeing that much people against nerfing the littlebird here in this channel.

[sour swallow]

EVERYONE GET OUT OF HERE WE HAVE BUT MOMENTS

[strange temple]

they are already agile enough lmao

[queen light]

Buff the 50 cals by increasin vehicle damage and bullet speed maybe

[strange galleon]

I'm not saying you should buff them, I'm just proposing an alternative to let them keep their current capabilities (pre or after nerf).

[strange temple]

ask revo and he'll show you how agile they are lol
there's no real way you could hit em with rpg rn

[queen light]

50cals probably can but it doesnt pay off

Little bird should be unarmored and the 50 cal should be the counter against it, but not to powerfull

[strange temple]

legit

[queen light]

Make it a 15-20 hit kill idk

[strange galleon]

I'm saying they are agile, that's their signature and why there is a problem with them.

I want to believe that the recent nerf will keep them agile but not at UFO level. If that the case I think being exposed to get shot down by a single shot from any weapon is a good way to make them easier to counter.

And yeah, I know you can't git them with a RPG, that's why I'm proposing a huge weakness for them, so you don't even need any rpg to shoot them down.

[strange temple]

encounter one sweat on a map with vehices and it's a misery through the whole game

[queen light]

Same with tanks who camp at spawn

[strange temple]

yeah but you can flank a tank and blow it up

[queen light]

Feels like all vehicle’s need to be rebalanced

[queen light]

Everyone can thats why they do it

[strange temple]

literally only lb is an issue rn

[queen light]

Thats the problem imo

[limpid flame]

actually rn since the max speed is lowered due to changes in physics it is slightly easier

just ever so slighly

[strange temple]

and I would just want to see actual hitbox size of lb and blackhawk
literally got WHAT I THOUGHT a good shot with rpg on them and nothing

[queen light]

Had that only after some updates to thr game tho

[strange temple]

just what I thought because I didn't see lbs redirect so fast before

[queen light]

This game need like a foodchain for balancing xD

[limpid flame]

the physics nerf made it even more unpredictable xd

[strange temple]

nah it's just for every vehicle needs to be a counter and that's about it. Being able to damage helis with normal weapons doesn't mean shit, since a guy can just go back to spawn and repair

[queen light]

He has c‘u‘md

[queen light]

Thats why i said why not let be the 50cals be a counter

[strange temple]

whatever will keep lb at bay - is good

[queen light]

LB overshadows other balancing problems i think

[strange temple]

like what 💀

[queen light]

Tanks camping at main

Vehicles being killable instantly by 127 players

[strange temple]

bro, get c4 and waste good 5 minutes and blow it up 💀

[limpid flame]

give AA already kek

[queen light]

Its like the whole vehicle thing has to redone

[strange temple]

no it doesn't 💀

[queen light]

It does imo

Why play vehicles if you cant use them for the purpose theyve been added for

[strange temple]

yeah that player must be sorry he doesn't go right into enemy rpgs smh

[queen light]

Well squad does it well with vehicle balancing, atleast compared to bbr

[strange temple]

comparing milsim to battlefield spinoff

[limpid flame]

@strange temple that was my first heli game after nerf, imma get adjusted to it and will dominate even harder

[strange temple]

sounds about right

[queen light]

Squad isnt as much milsim as people think

[limpid flame]

the funny part is that the nerf affects everyone but the 1% xd

[strange temple]

yeah I want lb to be deleted, because someone calling others "infantry bots" on op vehicle is wild

[queen light]

And? Only because its a milsim doesnt mean it has worse balancing

[limpid flame]

im allowed to call people how i want as long as it doesnt make you cry

if it makes you cry i guess sad life

[strange temple]

nah it made me want to change server rq

[limpid flame]

cool, we dont care

[strange temple]

dude is plural

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123749073699225723/1138647506230714389/image0.gif

[strange temple]

[desert cove]

Some troll, don't mind him

[heady jewel]

Man I can’t believe I’m a definitely real member of fly ace

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127102901064564766/1148445331755909200/image0.gif

Grote definitely let me join

Now time to make myself look like a jackass or something

Littlebird? No nerfs necessary

[small flint]

Let me join too! My pronouns are Fly/Ace

[heady jewel]

Time to complain on the reddit

[sour swallow]

Welcome Mokey good to have you on board

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127102901064564766/1148445331755909200/image0.gif

No

So he’s biased

Then other stuff happened

[white zephyr]

oh i just realised this is not general channel

lemme switch

[desert cove]

Do you have proof of his bias tho?

According to terminals message he was removed because his clan activity, which he as owner represents, was bad for feedback group image

Nothing about his bias

Not a word

[limpid flame]

spread more misinformation!

[desert cove]

Where word "bias" or implication of it is on this statement?

[warm abyss]

So what is happening in here?

[queen light]

Beef

[heady jewel]

He was on the lb feedback team right

While being the head of the helicopter clan

[desert cove]

He was on the feedback team

There was no "LB feedback"

[heady jewel]

Or helicopter feedback

[desert cove]

And that means?

[heady jewel]

Whatever it is

[warm abyss]

hmm

[limpid flame]

does being on the feedback team prohibits you from having a clan?

[desert cove]

Such thing doesn't exists as far as we know

[warm abyss]

Well I will state this , a helicopter player can have the best feedback for a helicopter

[desert cove]

Only few guys working on balance, as Oki said

[warm abyss]

such as the strengths & weaknesses

[heady jewel]

It doesn’t?

What feedback thing was he on then

[warm abyss]

Be it you guys say there was no feedback for the littlebird & Blackhawk?

to clarify

[heady jewel]

I was told he was on a helicopter feedback thing

[limpid flame]

according to every infantry player, they know better

[desert cove]

I believe it doesn't, he wasn't removed for being clan leader

[desert cove]

They don't

[limpid flame]

ofc

[desert cove]

A feedback/balancing group oki made some time ago

[limpid flame]

that is why they dont understand tanks or they think APCs are tanks aswell

[desert cove]

Same guys that nerfed vector/buffed dmrs

[desert cove]

You were told wrong

[heady jewel]

Why would they want it nerfed😔

[queen light]

Wouldn't that mean that infantry mains are biased too?

[warm abyss]

to clarify again, you guys are saying there was no feedback on the helicopters?

[desert cove]

They are.

As well as armour players are biased

[limpid flame]

everyone has a bias towards something they like

[desert cove]

Recon mains are biased

[heady jewel]

I’m saying you probably shouldn’t have the head of the best helicopter clan on this supposed helicopter feedback team

[limpid flame]

There was never a helicopter feedback team what xd

[desert cove]

There was never helicopter feedback team.

[small flint]

Don't worry @limpid flame and @desert cove are biased on keeping their virginity

https://tenor.com/view/soldier-gyat-soldier-french-soldier-wwii-i-need-more-bullets-gif-8603508739561687985

[heady jewel]

I’m being told that it exists and that it doesn’t

[desert cove]

There is just a feedback team, made of expirienced patreon backers

[heady jewel]

Hence why I said supposed

[desert cove]

WTF?

[heady jewel]

Ha

[desert cove]

What it does to do with me?

[warm abyss]

So mind if I get some info here and a answer to the clarification question (that there was no feedback for the LB & BH?)

[desert cove]

Not a specific group

But I suppose those guys were talking about it

[limpid flame]

@warm abyss as you can tell gun reworks we're the main thing

the most important thing

[warm abyss]

Might as well start with who are the we

[limpid flame]

*were

jesus

[desert cove]

Basically, and only few were namedropped

[limpid flame]

Grote should've never been coming out as a feedback team member

ong

[desert cove]

Or at least he should have not speak about being there after
/before namedrop

[desert cove]

Care to reapond?

[strange temple]

https://tenor.com/view/shrimple-clam-clampicated-jump-grass-gif-25852529

[small flint]

https://tenor.com/view/how-i-aint-bring-nothing-to-the-table-when-im-the-table-table-kanye-west-gif-25872883

[desert cove]

Yeah of topic, mods should clear that

[small flint]

YEAH MODS! GET HIM!

[storm shell]

when the 20 helicopter group pilots leave the game its actually now a measurable amount of the playerbase

[twilit silo]

we'll dominate on tanks then

[storm shell]

lol no you wont

[desert cove]

Not very flying on you

Tho I would want some competent people tk start playing tanks lol

Last good tank score I have see is Wok's

[twilit silo]

i'm jk lel

[storm shell]

tanks require teamwork to work well

(without just sitting back and sniping with it)

[desert cove]

That's why they don't work at all

People don't do teamwork with tanks

[twilit silo]

my heli adventure actually started with apc and tank

[desert cove]

They are either XP pinatas to enemies, or not existent to teamamtes

[storm shell]

Tanks are largely ineffective because the driver can't stop micro adjusting so the top gunner can't protect it from c4

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123749073699225723/1138647506230714389/image0.gif

[warm abyss]

(jumps in tanks time to time just to use the spotter seat & call out enemies)

[storm shell]

I gave up on dudes just not tapping w/s all the time and fucking up my aim

[desert cove]

You are like 1 of 10 players using it lol

I don't remember when was i deen the last full tank

Mg is always occupied tho

[warm abyss]

I shall admit I love the seat, wish it's range finder had a black background so I could read it at times

[desert cove]

It lacks stabilisation. Its Oki's fault, not drivers for moving

[desert cove]

I hate it. 99% of time no one is using it.
Then 60% of that 1 % its used by people that doesn't use voice and just spam markers
The rest 40% of 1% are premades that just work well with eachother

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123749073699225723/1138647506230714389/image0.gif

[storm shell]

You blame the devs for everything
Drivers messing up your aim isn't the devs fault

yes they could program head seaking bullets I guess

[desert cove]

Lack of stabilisation, when every other game has it for gunner is drivers fault?

Did driver decided to omit such feature, or was it Oki?

[storm shell]

lol

[desert cove]

ALL vehicles are underbaked at best, even LB because it unbalanced

[storm shell]

every other game has X so battlebit needs to have X
it should be just every other game + roblox graphics

got it XD

[desert cove]

You are ass licking by balming driver for constantly moving, which he should be doing

[storm shell]

point out where I said he was constantly moving

[desert cove]

Every other game seen this as necesarry to allow MG gunner to be accurate while tank is in motion. And tank always should be in motion

[desert cove]

"Can't stop micro adhusting" , implies movement, because only movemnt throws off MG aim

[storm shell]

I dont think anyone anywhere would classify micro adjusting as "constant movement"

[verbal frigate]

cmon they re just cheap tanks they didnt have money from NATO or whoever to buy stabilisation

[gentle tendon]

Remember this is the battle bit universe, Where it is tactically sound and not morally objected to equip soldiers with suicide vests

[verbal frigate]

❤️ best way to go is to take em with u

[onyx swan]

hitting in a moving tank is quite hard so i can totally see slight stabilization

[storm shell]

its not a suicide vest
its a self guided blackhawk bomblet

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Pigeon#:~:text=They were trained by being,the edge of the screen.

[verbal frigate]

omg

[storm shell]

its a real thing

[verbal frigate]

birdsarentreal leaking into the govty

[storm shell]

if you get a squad to cooperate, using a blackhawk like a b17 is huge amounts of fun for both sides lol

dudes ripping mg ammo at incoming players as they come screaming in with suicide vests lol

[warm abyss]

Ole WW2

Pigeon bombs

japanese ballons

Bats with incendiary bombs

the Funnies

[storm shell]

we did a lot of stuff with animals before computers

[warm abyss]

if I recall the B 42 had a rudimentry computer

[verbal frigate]

ye no jumping from choppers with suicide vests is insane too

[warm abyss]

could be wrong on that through

[storm shell]

now we've gone full circle and half of the battlebit players have the IQ of pigeons

[warm abyss]

Pigeon peck ship

pigeon gets rewarded at end of this

but yea WW2 has so many interesting things

it is kinda crazy to consider

[storm shell]

get your buddies to try it, you can do one pass with everyone throwing C4 at high altitude, detonate as you come by for a second pass and everyone jumps in sequence

[torpid elk]

The real reason is battlebit medical science is top tier and they can literally scrape your brains off the wall and revive you in just a few seconds

[gentle tendon]

Are you implying we have fuctioning ones in the first place?

[worthy wave]

what

[warm abyss]

morning Austin

[torpid elk]

Nominaly, yes

New feedback idea. Delete littlebird and replace it with the sky warden

[gentle tendon]

You are too optimistic >:(

[warm abyss]

well reminder of the day

[torpid elk]

No hovering or wacky changes in momentum or movement because it is a plane

[warm abyss]

aircraft is always a pain to balance in games

only ones I know that balanced them well enough was crysis' power struggle game mode

[torpid elk]

Top speed: 240mph or so
Stall speed: about 100mph

it falls pretty well within the lb performance range, but more restrictive due to... well, being a plane

Planes cant normally fly backwards

[small flint]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-catcry-gif-19131995

[torpid elk]

😲

[storm shell]

oh no what are we gonna do

[torpid elk]

Nerfing the bh guns is... idk man. Those never really feel threatening anyways

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123749073699225723/1138647506230714389/image0.gif

[torpid elk]

I suppose it would encourage people to use them at the ranges that you would actually be able to hit things at so its probably not all that bad

Its not like you are hitting people with the spread on those guns from 200m up

[heady jewel]

You won’t

[storm shell]

I dont get why it doesn't have limited ammo

It would be far less nasty if it had to show up, shoot a bit and leave, so it wasn't a 30 minute sustained burst from a thing you can't hit back

[heady jewel]

#dev-wip message

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127102901064564766/1148445331755909200/image0.gif

[rich spruce]

Anyone know how severe LB damage dropoff is?

[arctic gyro]

Need Stabilization for Tank Gunner Seat

Currently, it's infuriating to use the gunner seat because if the tank so much as moves an inch it throws off your aim entirely and disorients you. The gunner cannon is already pretty inaccurate at anything more than short range, so it really needs to be more practical. it makes perfect sense to me that nobody wants to sit in the gunner seat for more than 30 seconds because of how infuriating it is to try and shoot anything unless your driver doesn't move at all

[rich spruce]

Or if it applies to shooting vehicles too

[torpid elk]

So... like the sky warden?

give it a few bombs and a tiny bit of ammo and gunpods for a little bit of AA or direct fire.

drop a bomb and its gone until you land and take off again, no sillyness like with lb being able to dip and resuply in the air in the blink of an eye and be back in under a minute

All the air vehicles need an ammo rebalance imo

[limpid flame]

you're so slow and oblivious that it doesnt even matter anymore

[warm abyss]

no need to be rude to austin

[limpid flame]

im not rude, speaking obvious reality

[warm abyss]

There is one way to state facts, another to be insulting while doing so

aka "it doesn't matter anymore" could be the sentence but you chose to add the front

[limpid flame]

That is not an insult, an insult would be deliberately using derogatory words to convey my message with negative energy, there was no derogatory words used

[warm abyss]

err

"You're so slow & oblivious"

that is a insult

you added some negative energy by the front half with the back holding the fact of it doesn't matter anymore

[storm shell]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-ackchyually-actually-gif-11156171

[warm abyss]

otherwise you fit the definition you gave

[limpid flame]

i would never insult mods 😉

[small flint]

https://tenor.com/view/copium-cat-gif-27161395

[crude anvil]

Curious to see how the damage changes effect the little bird. Should make it easier to shoot down with it being closer.

[warm abyss]

I am curious myself

I wonder what the max & min damage is through

[storm shell]

the max is 2147483647 and the minimum is zero

[warm abyss]

lol

ya know what I mean through

[graceful void]

I'm not sure the nerf will make too much of a difference

[rich spruce]

It will lower the skill ceiling a bit in how far you can practically farm infantry from

[torpid elk]

Give recon a jetpack and let them grapplehook helis.

I DID IT GUYS, I BALANCED AIR VEHICLES

[warm abyss]

depends on what the damage difference is between max & min

[spare mantle]

Idk about the damage nerf

Feels like that's way too close range

Control changes will make it easier or harder to get kills with. Honestly I've always found it not the easiest to aim with, but I don't spend all day in the thing

[storm shell]

thats the point

[spare mantle]

The vehicle should still work or be fun lol

[storm shell]

you think having damage falloff will make it not work?

[ancient tundra]

Having fall off means they won't go 300-0 as easily

[storm shell]

thats a form of not working

[ancient tundra]

Only if it's only merit is a free kill factory. It'll still be worth using, it just will be in more danger

[sour swallow]

As long as the update doesn’t come into effect before Saturday the casuals will still get what’s coming to them

[weak mortar]

@rare sorrel @small flint @sour swallow Don't bring drama into this feedback channel, it's not feedback whatsoever.

Please take it somewhere else

[rare sorrel]

I've given plenty of feedback, feedback is irrelevant if it's not inline with the devs vision/bias

[weak mortar]

Sure, then don't give feedback. Up to you. I just don't want this to be descending into drama.

[rare sorrel]

Can't have a bad lockers main being in control of vehicle balance lmao

[clever vessel]

The fuck is this impersonation bs doin here still

[sour swallow]

*flying around

[clever vessel]

Cool

[clever vessel]

Tbh we should advanced warfare this shit

The Royal Navy tested a jetpack 2 years back, i say we give that to everybody

[weak mortar]

Still none of this is feedback

go somewhere else

This thread has 11k msg now

Devs cannot listen to 'feedback' if the 'feedback' that you guys give is 99% drama or other gibberish

[clever vessel]

Oh while you’re here could you just like ban james, he keeps baiting with reddit drama

[weak mortar]

@sweet karma

Not going to look into that now

[clever vessel]

Right

[sour swallow]

The biggest of betrayal right here

Modern day Judas

[weak mortar]

Anyway, consider the above message a final warning.

[clever vessel]

In a more serious note - aligning with #1138399550210576466 i feel like there’s gotta be ways we can get some more interaction between buildables and vehicles

People have already mentioned buildable resup points which honestly feels like something which should be there regardless but maybe we could build tank traps or those teeth traps

Support is a role that already has some synergy with vehicles because of its mobility limitations so it might be worth just expanding that more

[golden estuary]

Let me plank up windows without needing to waste 2 walls

Given the build limit it's pretty oof

[clever vessel]

Oh god yes

[golden estuary]

As for vehicles, I feel tank rounds should be doing more damage to buildables

[clever vessel]

General buildables addition would be good

[ancient tundra]

I see that being problematic especially with supports. Dropping an instantly built vehicle damaging building on front of an enemy going full speed, putting resupply points at vehicle sniping locations so they are unkillable with infinite ammo

[clever vessel]

ABSOLUTELY aaaaaa

[golden estuary]

Instantly spamming double hescos outside enemy spawn roads to block their vehicles 😂

[ancient tundra]

I mean we can do that anyway

[golden estuary]

Salhan south side lmao.

[clever vessel]

That is pretty fair

Though - if the resup points had the same restrictions as the isle ones i feel like it’d be okay?

The default ones don’t have a timer, the buildables get a 60 delay between repairs

Large window to concentrate and take it down

[ancient tundra]

That's not too huge, especially at sniping locations

[clever vessel]

Pretty half-baked idea i’ll admit, probably better to do the BFV designated resup points tbh

[golden estuary]

Wine resup point is one of the most egregious, have to drive all the way back to the corner of the map

[ancient tundra]

You're not killing a tank at long range if it can dip back behind cover and full repair every 60s

[golden estuary]

True, now that repair limit is 98% with the rep tool

[clever vessel]

And you go to the wrong corner and then eat shit

Yeah, i think i’m just for resup points on objs then

[ancient tundra]

That means they can camp objectives pretty hard. Not as bad as at sniper spots though

[clever vessel]

Honestly, i think that’s fine? You want them to be on the objs in general

Maybe it’d be a small window to repair and resup once you capture a point

~30 seconds, everyone get repaired or get the fuck out

Window increases or decreases depending on which point, ig

[desert cove]

Yeah, it's 11k messeges, a record tbh. Can we get vehicle specific threads?

[clever vessel]

Humvee thread dying:

[desert cove]

There is feedback to give about humvee

Best vehicle, perfectly balanced

[small flint]

The humvee-7m is not balanced at all

[cedar ember]

How so?

Limited ammo, spread is large and it dies to a gust of wind

[small flint]

Park it in the right spot and build a wall to cover it then spam 400 bullets at people

It's not LB level of stupidity but it can be very broken just like APC sitting in the water on some maps

[vague flint]

Feels pretty futile to give feedback when it gets filtered through some intensely biased "feedback team" in private channels.
Would be nice to at least have them visible but read only to see how the feedback given here is presented in there.

I think spread on the lb would be a much better way to achieve the same goal of making them fight closer that damage falloff also works toward

It would lower the skill floor a bit and get more normal, non super sweats trying to use the heli, I hear from many in game that they find it quite hard to do perfect tracking for the laser spread miniguns.
At the same time it is a preventer of the aimbots that really on the zero spread

[wind cosmos]

Littlebird needs overhaul. Helicopters can't go from 200 km/h to 0 in an instant. They should have momentum. Also the gun is a laser, it needs the same spread as the blackhawk doorgunners. Because it's a close support vehicle, not an attack helicopter.

[cedar ember]

You are talking about somebody expending quite a few squad resources to build an encampment. Also, this takes a while to set up. Attacking an encampment is SUPPOSED to be hard. Honestly even then, a well placed tandem one shots the entire thing. Which shouldn't happen imo. I think we may need trophy systems that are anti rpg as well.

[clever vessel]

also it is genuinely hard to keep the 7m effective in an encampment for such a long period of time

from personal experience (since i use it a lot as a support/one-way transport) the moment someone catches sight of it it is a timer till you dead

[small flint]

Listen guys I'm somewhat a 1%er when it comes to Humvee7, I should start clan 7mAces. Yeah sometimes it does take resources, sometimes it doesn't. I've played district maybe 3-4 times but I usually drop a lot of kills just parking the 7m behind a tree, kill a few people then drive to another tree. I have a bunch of clips doing it

[cedar ember]

My thought exactly. I really don't think RPGs should every one shot a humvee. Maybe disable the gun or engine first shot. But not kill. I think it the grenade trophy was expanded to block RPGs, and the above change is made, humvees would be in a good place.

[cedar ember]

Honestly, i think you get lucky, i get hunted by a squad of engis the second i enter a humvee lol

[clever vessel]

get the joke, tho - honestly, with how vulnerable the thing is? i feel like that's just fine

that they just didn't shoot you ain't an indicator of the thing's problems

honestly half the time infantry are blindly searching for other infantry anyways

[small flint]

It is vulernable but my main problem with it is

People driving off with it and crap

[clever vessel]

oh yeah agreed

ignition/lock would be nice

[small flint]

Somewhere in dev cast I think they mentioned armoured humvees so that might fix getting clapped by 1 heat/tandem. I know we wont get a lock feature and I don't expect to get it either

Just would be nice if people respected that someone is using it etc Most of the time people are happy to just exit and let you use it peace

[coral citrus]

A "soft lock" function would be nice enough IMO. Like if you get out of a vehicle as the driver and are still alive, it should lock out anyone that was not already inside from jumping into the driver sit for a ~5 sec.

Should be enough to handle sneaky C4 monkeys or clear mines.

[coral citrus]

I don't think any vehicle should be destroyed without first getting a disabled stage. It's just bullshit how easily the APC gets 1-tapped or how a C4 drone can take out a tank with zero risk to the attacker.

People driving solo into a full squad would get their asses handed to them regardless, but a vehicle with proper infantry support would be recoverable with a repair tool if your side wins the battle.

[coral citrus]

Tbh it feels like the slowmode on these threads isn't slow enough (is there even one?). Would be great if there was a suggestion format so people have to submit more thought out and justified proposals with like 24h between comments. A separate discussion channel would work for more chatty stuff around the ideas but would not be expected to be the place feedback teams go to gather info from.

[desert cove]

That's a big IF man

320h in this game, and all I can say, in a vehicle, you are alone. No one cares about you, unless you are doing well, then they will be cursing at you and will focus you

500 games, mostly on conquest, and all are the same

No word of praise for going top 3 in whole game

Even your squadmates will not repair you when you are asking for it in chat

So relaying in ANY capacity for ANYTHING on teamates is a lost cause

It's a shame tho, teamplay with 126 guys would be amazing

[coral citrus]

Hmm I'll say that in tight maps like Frugis, it's just a matter of time before I get some dude permanently following me around with their repair tool out. Which is mostly useless because they keep shouting at me to stop for repairs as if that wasn't a death sentence. And they would prevent far more damage by shooting at the engis hitting me. So yeah... some people do care, they just seem to be very bad at being actually helpful. XD

[desert cove]

I personally was repaired by others maybe ten time since releas. It was more often in playtests to be honest. Granted repair tool is only now worth using, but my point still stands.

I think at least, I do want to be proven wrong in regard to people not repairing team vehicles. But the rest still stands.

[solar patio]

the nerfs to the heli isnt nearly as enough. people are still doing the loop with the heli even faster now. what needs to be done is entirely remove little bird or make it so that the heavy weapons of support do like 5x amount of dmg to small heli. you are putting holes with big bullet sizes into this little bird. im sitting here mag dumping my heavy wep with 5x 100 mags and its not even nearly enough to down it. theres literally no counter to this heli. trying to hit them with an RPG is equal to an miracle and im not gonna sit all game trying to shoot out ONE pilot out of the heli with a sniper while he STILL goes 100-0 every match even after patch unless you add lock on rocket launchers theres literally no counter to this.

and the opposite can be said about tanks. they are useless and get oppressed too easily. their only way to be played right now is sit on spawn and try to shoot infantry from distance and thats because the tank has too many counters that are easily deployed to eliminate tanks and other vehicles. cannot be said the same thing about the little bird. love the contrast of those two vehicle types.

[clever vessel]

Sorry q: tf is the benefit of doing that maneuver that was patched out

I was never an LB player so the nerf confused me

[solar patio]

this is why battlefield always had lock on rockets. the little birds would be broken af if there werent lock on rockets in BF

[small flint]

I'm sorry but we can't have lock on rockets because the private shadow 20man feedback cabal has deemed you not skilled enough to be part of the 1% club therefore your feedback is invalid. If you are found to have reddit account the shadow feedback cabal will also deduct 500 BattleBit Remastered Social Credit from your standings. "JUST USE AN AUG MAN TO KILL THE LB"

[coral citrus]

Even in spawn you can still get drone bombed lol

[vague flint]

Can't have lockons cause you can just achieve the same result by deleting every aircraft from every map.
Forcing them to fight closer due to falloff or spread makes them an attractive target for many people to shoot at and an easy one to hit

[clever vessel]

yeah the forcing them to fight closer is the important thing tbh

on principle for aircraft it should be the further away from the battlefield the less effective it gets

[solar patio]

played the new patch theres no difference

[clever vessel]

the main difference is where it gets totally ineffective

[solar patio]

birds are still mowing down ppl from distance and looping

[vague flint]

Yeah because the attempt to get them closer was through falloff instead of spread

[solar patio]

what they need to do is create a big counter

[cedar ember]

They just really nerfed the LBs damage falloff though

It's not releases yet

[solar patio]

the best way is to make support more viable as an alternative by being the only class who can shoot down those small helis with their heavy LMGs by doing like 3x the amount of dmg to them

[cedar ember]

I think extra damage for the support to light vehicles (little birds, quads, ribs and jet skis would be a good change.

[clever vessel]

i'd be sold on that except for the APC

[coral citrus]

Not much of a buff when it's conditional on a single vehicle that shows up in a single game mode being a nuisance.

[solar patio]

well its better than nothing!

support with their heavy lmg do like

4 dmg to the heli per bullet

lmaoo

even though it shoots bigger calibers

[clever vessel]

best buff to support would be ending the over-aggression meta

[coral citrus]

The ribs are already a meme though, I feel sorry for anyone who tries to shoot me from one of those

[clever vessel]

so support can take up their natural defensive roles more often

[solar patio]

one being able to shoot down the helis

so one of the many pros a support should have

so if it does like 4 dmg per bullet to an heli with the buff which is 3x the amount is like 12 dmg per bullet should be oppressive enough to the heli

or maybe 4x which is 16 dmg per bullet

[clever vessel]

i do think the damage falloff change will be p effective though

with that much falloff even an unaware player gets good time to make for cover

[coral citrus]

It's the other way around. Buff support so hard it stands up to the speedyshooty meta. More deployable mines, constructions that don't depend on squad points and can't just be silently unbuilt, armor rework.

You do that and a lot more people will have second thoughts about turning a corner where they know a support is waiting.

[solar patio]

the real problem is not the dmg lol the problem is not having an active and effective way to counter these helis because they move in all axis as opposed to ground vehicles. its pure cancer to try and deal with them so most ppl dont bother

[clever vessel]

nah those are totally compatible! support is one of the big balancers in this regard

god salivating over support getting more buildables

[solar patio]

imagine support being able to build FLAK systems

to shoot down helis

[coral citrus]

Work smart not hard: at least in Sandy and Waki, you can destroy the LB before it takes off if you get to the right position fast enough with the APC.

[clever vessel]

FUCK YA

[clever vessel]

you can also catch some very easy LB snags on the mountains near spawn on valley

[solar patio]

yea no am not gonna do all that effort just so the rest of the ppl can have a fun experience

just remove the birds or give us hard counters

[hasty kettle]

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahah

[violet hull]

Actual feedback. The new boat bounces like a mfer every time I'm in it

[coral citrus]

The janky movement feels surprisingly close to the way bumping against waves as you sail irl. But yea it's annoying af in the game and sometimes persists when you're stationary.

[violet hull]

Yeah it seems a bit weird since the smaller boats don't do it

[desert cove]

That's like it's smallest problem lets be honest

[cedar ember]

The APC has a bug where any explosion on the map shakes the APC as if it was next to you while in the water.

[violet hull]

That's hilarious

[desert cove]

Lol, first time I hear about that

[cedar ember]

Also as much as the LB is hard to target, as people are getting better at RPGs, the Blackhawks are getting more and more painful to fly. I have to stay so low for my gunners to be effective. Between APCs one shotting me and tandems blowing me out of the air, or getting sniped from the pilot seat (we are supposed to have 50% damage reduction, but i keep getting one hit), Blackhawk could use some love.

[desert cove]

Anyways, repair tool change is amazing

I love you Oki❤️

[cedar ember]

You can REALLY feel it on Salhan

[desert cove]

I didn't played salhan like a month, not popular on 128 it seems

[cedar ember]

I like it, but snipers are only semi effective, so i don't think they like it

It has good medium, close and a little long engagements

[clever vessel]

Weirdly so even though I think it is so much better for 128

[desert cove]

Just like most maps

[crude anvil]

If we get a trophy which can destroy RPGs you will be able to do literally nothing about tank or APC campers. That’s a terrible idea. You are not getting close enough to c4 them if you can even get to them, because sometimes they sit in the safe zone.

[cedar ember]

No that is fair. At the same time, when you want to push with a tank, you get RPG spammed into oblivion, on top of the c4

[crude anvil]

This is also an issue and honestly I have no idea what to do about it. I have tried to think of a solution but it’s so hard to balance between vehicles being destroyed too easily and vehicles being impossible to deal with.

[desert cove]

Trophy could be limited in use? Trophy could be limited in charges/time it's active. C4 exist, just move your ass. Trphy could not work against APC/Tank projectiles

Anyways, did making repair tool worth using made blackhawks immortal?

[cedar ember]

I think they just need to scale up the health of tanks in 127v

the experience of using tanks in 64v is vastly different. Still underpowered, but better

[crude anvil]

We both know how difficult it is to get close to a vehicle that is farming kills by camping outside the play area. It’s not even close to a realistic solution, pretending it is would be laughable.

Trophy being limited use wouldn’t solve anything either, because people can just resupply or respawn and put down a new one. You don’t get too many RPGs anyway. RPGs would be useless against anyone who put an ounce of effort into stopping them.

[opaque lily]

I'll check tonight but even then I could never figure out the whole flying upside down shindig

[clever vessel]

Honest to god? That does the trick I'd imagine, that or more tanks

[opaque lily]

Holy fuck, the damage only drops off at TWO HUNDRED? No wonder I get pilot sniped so often.

[hasty kettle]

Actual feedback - the rcb sucks

[opaque lily]

HUGE BUG THE THE LITTLEBIRD RPGS! You can no longer see or hear RPG shots from the side of the littlebird transport (possibly big transport aswell) as the pilot and fellow passanger. This is devistating for pilots as we go off of audio ques to see how many rockets our passangers have and where they are firing so we can kill tanks and apcs.
However, (and not to dismiss the severity of this bug) I just had a guy kill like 10 APCs on river in a single game all with scilent/invisible rpg shots. He got 40 kills 0 deaths, had other RPGers too.

[undone perch]

Feedback for the APCs: Giving it a coaxial machine gun or a CROWS like on a tank, would go a long way in improving QoL for the BTR/LAV.

[last axle]

Based

Do you get weird hit reg issues because I get them all the time

There is some desync happening

To me the rocket hit, but to the pilot it didn't

[opaque lily]

In the big transport helicopter if I am moving it can sometimes hit the side of the helicopter and explode then half a second later i will see the APC start smoking and the rpg gunner record a hit, so yes there is an uncommon desync. Other times when i'm riding F11/F12 with randoms as pilot my rog will hit the side of the helicopter and explode, although i don't get damaged by it and have never killed somone when it happens, so I don't know if it's a mutual desync.

[coral citrus]

I stand by my "disabled not destroyed" proposal. You can pull off some fast risky pushes even in places like Frugis but all it takes is one bozo camping with a tandem somewhere along the way back to repairs to ruin it all. This would no longer work if it gives enough time for your team to react to the flanker and kill them before they can deal the finishing blow to your vehicle. But it would not meaningfully affect the survivability of stupid plays since getting disabled in an exposed and cut off position would get you destroyed very fast anyway.

[opaque lily]

HUGE BUG.

YOU CANNOT HEAR OR SEE FRIENDLY OR ENEMY RPGS WHEN IN THE INSIDE THE AIR VEHICLE. THEY ARE 100% INVISIBLE AND SCILENT.

[hasty kettle]

I've been not hearing footsteps lately in the tanks

Feels weird when someone C4s me and I don't hear ANY steps

[clever vessel]

Can confirm this for the APCs too

Zero audio cues now

[opaque lily]

Does this include rockets/footsteps/c4 sticking?

c4 drone too?

[clever vessel]

Rocket audio and footstep audio i can confirm i cannot hear zilch

Couple of games yesterday where i was snuck up on zero warning

[opaque lily]

Another question, can you actually see friendly/enemy rockets flying when inside the vehicle?

[clever vessel]

nope

[opaque lily]

Rip

[clever vessel]

Had a really good point of comparison ystd

A game on valley where i was killed by a tandem wielding boi directly to my front, yet all i saw was the tandem before i died

No shot, nothing

[earnest ocean]

Not just when that is the thing.
Got the same on ground

[desert cove]

It always were like this. I mean, you could hear footsteps, but only when it was to late. Now you just don't. One and the same tbh

[sour swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/anakin-skywalker-gif-21970975

[warm abyss]

so what did I miss last night?

[limpid flame]

Based opinion

[clever vessel]

Honestly not much, fire still burning

[desert cove]

Quite common too

Oki added WiP and then left it unfinished for a month

[coral citrus]

Last couple of seats should be exposed so people can take turns using their guns against nearby helis and stuff.

[desert cove]

There will be miniguns in the back, bf4 style

[limpid flame]

Fr? That is kinda dope ngl

[desert cove]

Yeah it is

Propably PWC too

[coral citrus]

That would be nice if the miniguns weren't worse than almost any gun you could possibly equip though.

[clear lagoon]

Heli HP be wilding
I didn't get the kill, and a direct tandem hit only deals 80% damage

[desert cove]

It should deal 100% dmg

Dataminig says so

[clear lagoon]

I didn't get the exp for the vehicle destroyed tho

[desert cove]

You can not get xp if enemy bails out, idk how with BH, depends on vehicle

You propably hit directly on a guy, and killed him, and 80% dmg was transferred to Heli with vehicle splash

But should be 100 because I don't think there is drop off to vehicles splash

[clear lagoon]

That only applies to non military vehicles

[last axle]

I killed a little bird with a m110 and I didn't get 4k exp for the heli kill

Something is wrong

[storm shell]

IIRC
if you smoke the heli/destroy the rotors but the crash actually destroys it you dont ge tthe points

the other part is it appears the hitboxes are a little wonky
if you hit a crew member with the rpg the vehicle "may" only take the splash damage, and the other crew members dont take splash damage
Or at least thats how it appeared the fe wtimes I pulled it off XD

[desert cove]

Armed helis and military jeeps too

You can suciside from armed heli when bailing out to deny 4k xp

[wide relic]

Also u can c4 while in heli if someone hits they get a one shot kill

Found that out accidentally

[desert cove]

You can C4 any friendly vehicle, so enemies can just insta delete it with 1 bullet

[willow tiger]

I did that at the start of waki, I rushed to the pad to help cap and get in and a guy that didn't spawn at match start spawned into it while I was getting in so I dumped all my c4 on him.

[coral citrus]

Does using the respawn-suicide button deny all XP even when you've been directly hit by the enemy? Or do they at least get assist XP?

[desert cove]

All xp, you only get dmg xp, so 100 max

[acoustic vale]

Hopefully i can send links here https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/16hrvc9/littlebird_balance/?sort=new

could someone skim over this thread and give their input please and thank you

[acoustic vale]

there's never going to be a difference

[acoustic vale]

if you don't even try man

[small flint]

@weak mortar LOOK HE IS BAITING DRAMA, WHY CAN'T I DO IT?

[acoustic vale]

oeh

[crude anvil]

Not only is the post immediately hostile to anyone reading it, but your only suggestion is to reduce the health of the little bird. You are ignoring the feedback of the majority of the community because you do not like it. You give no reasons for your opinions beyond saying “I’m better so it’s okay.” I do not know if I have ever read a more tone deaf attempt to give feedback. I’m honestly surprised because you sounded reasonable talking about it in the discord earlier, and yet everything you say in your post makes you come across as ignorant, entitled, and very full of yourself.

Tl:dr bad thread, I don’t even know if I’d suggest trying again.

[acoustic vale]

Dayum lmao, It's difficult for me since i never found the Littlebird broken as infantry

Sorry about it being hostile I'm just kinda tilted about no one trying to find common ground

I'm trying man

The comments themselves are probably better see if you can find something better there pls

[crude anvil]

The biggest problem is the post was immediately hostile. You will not convince anyone of anything by calling them brain dead. You also spent the almost the entire post justifying why you think the little bird should be stronger than it is now, with “maybe it could have less health” tossed in at the end.

Even from a perspective outside of who’s right or wrong about the little bird or what should be done, when everyone is frustrated about something they believe is unbalanced and unfair in the game, you cannot have your only feedback be that they are wrong. Not only that they are wrong, but saying that the only issue is that you are better and all they want to do is complain. I find it incredibly ironic that you call them whiny when the entire post is just a list of reasons your favorite toy shouldn’t have been touched, and everyone else is stupid for thinking otherwise.

I want to believe you have good feedback to give but this is not it at all. It’s not even feedback, it’s a rant and a bunch of insults.

[storm shell]

short version: dont be a cunt
❤️

[acoustic vale]

look at the comments dawg i beg

[heady jewel]

I saw two comments with -7 and -2 downvotes

Made by you😔

[acoustic vale]

i could write "I love every single one of you" and it'll get downvoted

not much i can do about that

[acoustic vale]

the -7 one is a bad egg remove that

you've been typing real long my guy I'm getting anxious

[small flint]

I thought you are the 1%er @acoustic vale I thought the nerfs arent effecting you

[acoustic vale]

they aren't but i would like everyone else to have a chance too

[storm shell]

Yeah the nerfs should be enough that these guys are losing their mind then you know you're on the right track

[acoustic vale]

wdym?

[crude anvil]

I looked at the comments and it’s more of the same. I could not be less surprised the comments are hostile given that the literal title of the post is an insult to anyone who disagrees with you. You will never foster a healthy discussion that way.

Furthermore, the comments you do make still are not helpful. You continue to complain about “milsim players” and parrot the same tired line about a skill issue. You cannot equate realism and game balance with each other. I don’t know what the deal is with this exactly, but not everyone who wants the game to be anything but faster is a “milsimmer.”

To add to the irony, you go from complaining about “milsimmers” to saying how glad you are you found “someone not connected to the hive mind finally” when you talk about wanting the damage in the game to be higher because that’s more realistic. Are you aware of what you’re saying?

You are also not the majority. The majority of players have an issue with the way the little bird performs right now. It’s not 50/50 like you said. And even if it was an even split, you would still need to compromise because the fact of the matter is that as much as you talk about being unable to find reasonable takes or helpful discussion, the only thing you are saying is that everyone else is wrong and that they’re just mad because you are better than them. Not only is that hostile, it’s just wrong. Nobody in the game goes 100-0 or better besides pilots. That’s not just because all of the pilots are “better” it’s because pilots have a tool at their disposal that lets them farm players with complete disregard for almost everything else happening in the game.

I am sorry if this comes across as hostile, because that is not my intention. I am being blunt with you because I think you do not understand the situation.

There’s my fucking essay, I hope it helps

[acoustic vale]

lemme cook for a minute

[crude anvil]

Go for it

[heady jewel]

I never thought the lb was overpowered😔

[acoustic vale]

that looks ugly as fuck

bruh

hollup

“someone not connected to the hive mind finally” when you talk about wanting the damage in the game to be higher because that’s more realistic." i was just referencing the commenters desire for 1 shot kills, it's completely off topic. I want to compromise but I just wish the compromise was making a reasonable counter instead of removing the birds core gameplay, i can confidently say that tanks and infantry can pull off 100-30 games easily, I understand that the littlebird seems unfair but from my point of view it's cause no one even tries to counter it. Unfortunately I think the only way I could see the other side is if I looked at a VOD or something of someone who genuinely had an unfun experience against a littlebird

[desert cove]

The nerf will propably solve, or at least mitigate the problem. THE PROBLEM i, that it will raise skill floor exponentially. And his is bad tbh

[acoustic vale]

hard to read i have a touch of the 'tism

[crude anvil]

100-30 is not the same as 100-0. That does not happen in any circumstance excluding the regular occurrences of little bird pilots getting that high of a score or better.

[desert cove]

Reddit didn't produced single good take on vehicles since feburary, this one doesn't change that

[acoustic vale]

that's my issue unlike with tanks no one tries to shoot it down and i'm confident that most people are fully capable of doing that

[crude anvil]

Turn on streamer mode so nobody recognizes your name and go into a wakistan conquest match with a good pilot on the other team. I encourage you to do your best to try to shoot them down if you want insight into the other side’s perspective.

[coral citrus]

Don't see how it raises the skill floor. Noob pilots weren't taking full advantage of the LBs capabilities at all, they could probably not even tell the difference in handling before and after patch. And even after practicing for a bit, I still reliably can't hit shit more than 100m out so the range nerf won't affect my playstyle either.

[crude anvil]

People do try to shoot it down lol, all the time. You just don’t realize because it’s so hard to hit you.

[acoustic vale]

Wakistan is an outlier tho no?

[storm shell]

I want to see a video of 5-10 downed helicopters from the same match

[crude anvil]

That would be why I suggested you try it.

[acoustic vale]

Isn't that more of a map issue?

[storm shell]

both maps have a sky

the same sky infact

some might say all the maps have the same sky

[acoustic vale]

Waki has a lot more free room

[storm shell]

not within 75-200m

[acoustic vale]

I guess i'll go give it a shot, also i think it's problematic on tensa too

[crude anvil]

Wakistan is your best bet to shoot down a little bird because you can see most of the map no matter where you are. It’s harder for the pilots to get someplace you can’t see them.

[coral citrus]

Problem up until last patch was it was also one of the most often voted maps

[acoustic vale]

oh fuck right there's no way I'm gonna be able to get into game

[crude anvil]

Wakistan is also the map that most of the good pilots prefer to play on so you have a better chance of meeting one.

[acoustic vale]

If I have streamer mode on will someone from my friend list get notified that i joined?

[crude anvil]

I’m not sure.

[desert cove]

It will force you closer, and it won't be propably the last nerf. And getting closer isn't a problem with inf, but terrain and vehicles.

[acoustic vale]

Fallen is in a waki game and i can shoot his ass down no problem but it won't be convincing if he knows it's me

[coral citrus]

That's my point, I already had to force myself close anyway cause I can't hit shit otherwise :D

[acoustic vale]

You're gonna have to settle with sandy man there ain't anything else

[small flint]

Let me tell you, folks, the LittleBird helicopter in BattleBit Remastered, it's unbelievable, folks, it really is. People are saying it's overpowered, the best helicopter ever. I mean, I've seen helicopters, I know helicopters, and this one, it's tremendous. It's got speed like you wouldn't believe, and the firepower, oh boy, it's tremendous. It's like a winning machine, a real winner. Some people might say it's too much, but I say, no, we need the best, and the LittleBird, it's the best. So believe me, folks, when you see that LittleBird in BattleBit Remastered, you're in for a real treat, the best treat, folks. It's just fantastic!

https://tenor.com/view/donald-trump-donald-tump-gif-13395536

[storm shell]

forcing the chopper to where velocity isn't a serious issue to shoot back will help them at least not feel bad that they can't even score a hit on it

[limpid flame]

@worthy wave @weak mortar @kind sinew so having a guy that is openly hate attacking people here is now allowed?

[storm shell]

you've been doing it for 2 months why is it a big deal when someone else does

[small flint]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-crying-meme-gif-26327776

[desert cove]

he has not done that? at least here

[rich spruce]

reminder that if someone goes 100-0 with one in 127v127 and you’re in the enemy team, the little bird probably didn’t even kill you once. Doesn’t mean it isn’t broken

[acoustic vale]

What I'm asking is how the hell are you dying to it

[rich spruce]

For most of the kills they don’t know where they’re being shot from until they’re dead in my experience, outside of wakistan

[small flint]

Wise from a cringe lord

[rich spruce]

the TTK is very quick

[small flint]

"I dont even care about you redditors, for the past month i had a good laugh about your crying and squirming, And I always had respect for the guys that viewed us as good pilots, but you lowskill bunch of players will always whine, always make posts that it is unfair And yadayada. Now please downvote me, I like to see you all in anger, as that clearly can not be changed anyways.

Ps: we will be even bigger hehe" - Rev0s 2023

[limpid flame]

Omg, if the littlebird was broken how everyone portrays it then every single pilot would have similar scores, how come only GOOD infantry players can reach 100+ kill games, how come only GOOD heli players can get 100+

[coral citrus]

Yeah and it probably killed some guy that kept getting revived on the bridge five times

[limpid flame]

Jesus

Such a simple explanation And they still cry

Like why is LB even a drama still

[rich spruce]

Good infantry players can’t get 100 kills without dying.

Good LB players can easily

[limpid flame]

There is about 5 more important topics for this feedback

[acoustic vale]

That's fair, somewhat, I would say that you probably hear them coming

[coral citrus]

NIGHT VISION ON TANK AND APC

[acoustic vale]

I think it's taken a little out of proportion concidering that most people i shot just went prone and stood still

[limpid flame]

But I have the ability to use my gamesense And The power of being THE vehicle plus keeping it alive at all cost due to severe pain for the team with that 5 minute respawn

Vehicles on high level will never be killed

They are not infantry

[rich spruce]

They might be a couple hundred meters away - idek if that’s audible but if it is the sound would be constantly there for much of the map while the LB was active

[limpid flame]

Not xp bags

And should never be viewed as such

[coral citrus]

That's exactly what someone who assumes is being shot by some other soldier would do

[acoustic vale]

umm really really sorry for this but isn't that kinda uuh skill... issue?

[crude anvil]

How many deaths do those good pilots have compared to the infantry players, I wonder?

[limpid flame]

From my perspective about 60% of people getting shot by me go prone. 20% keeps running in a straight line, 15% shoots back,5% airstrafes like mad

[acoustic vale]

thanks for this btw, finally someone who was blunt and didn't tell me to keep myself safe or refused to explain stuff

[small flint]

@kind sinew @worthy wave @weak mortar Yo bro he is talking about skill issues when thats banned

[limpid flame]

If you checked our chat for on our clan discord, we have a chat for PR games, most of the games we die up to 10 times

[coral citrus]

Yeah, I'm just explaining. Obviously the right way to react to shots is to start dancing like an epilleptic on bath salts.

[acoustic vale]

Turns out there's more pressing problems like i can't find a match lmao

[limpid flame]

But the PR games are the highlight, we dont die at those

[worthy wave]

don't ping us unnecessarily. i'm monitoring the chat, and to me this looks like you trying to get someone else given a penalty because you got one.

[small flint]

old austin follow the rules

[crude anvil]

Up to 10 deaths in your 100+ kill games? I take back everything that’s been said and apologize on behalf of the community.

[desert cove]

Tanks have it

[limpid flame]

Yeah

Hold up

[acoustic vale]

sorry if that's against the rules my g I really didn't know what else to say to that

[crude anvil]

Take all the time you need with that one

[limpid flame]

Woops that was infantry game

[coral citrus]

They have IR that highlights enemies, but you still see everything pitch black at night. Does the main gun have NV?

[limpid flame]

Phone discord so annoying ugh

Lemme switch to pc

[worthy wave]

it's technically not allowed in feedback posts, but it wasn't in a hostile manner so i decided not to say anything