Vehicle - Feedback

[limpid flame]

so it's not a broken thing imo

@golden valley

[golden valley]

We're not touching lb

No flying model

No spread

[limpid flame]

still, look at the other part

[golden valley]

The new proposed vehicle?

[limpid flame]

yh

CONTENT LADIES AND GENTLEMAN

[golden valley]

Doesn't sound like a great idea

A dumbfiring explosion spitting air vehicle with a secondary gunner that will simply rain death upon any vehicle and infantrh

[limpid flame]

scratch the dumbfire then

[golden valley]

Those are 2 major problems in the game added to 1 vehicle

[limpid flame]

You can always make the gunner have lower damage for infantry and high L armor damage, blackhawk miniguns already do lower damage than LB

think it;s just numbers and the way of implementation of the features

besides it's an airspace contestant, LB would feel less oppresive itself cause either they deal with eachother or be annoying to eachother, it makes a dynamic

in a way, wasting time of it killing infantry

[golden valley]

That's basically flying AA and that's something we don't feel is needed

[limpid flame]

understood!

[golden valley]

The problem with the littlebird is that any change we make to it or anything we create to counter it is either going to be useless or destroy the lb

[thorny mason]

my original proposal was more intended as a replacement to the armed littlebird

this thing can't be balanced

[golden valley]

Lb is not going anywhere

[thorny mason]

i'm aware it aint happening but it's fun to think

[limpid flame]

you cant really delete a feature that already many love

[golden valley]

The problem is, it is completely balanced. The major problem is that everyone runs medic, which is the only class that cannot really fight against the lb

It's a playstyle and skill issue, not an issue of balance

[limpid flame]

i would still like to see better physics of flying model, not changed completely but tweaked

[golden valley]

An ultimax can take it down, apc shreds it, aug destroys it, snipers can easily murder pilots engineers can rocket it

[desert cove]

I am summoned here

[golden valley]

Ar's can shoot out a pilot with some skill

[desert cove]

What do you need from me

[limpid flame]

ah i was trying to explain the issue of having vehicles with pilot(driver) and gunner as two different seats

[golden valley]

I don't see that bringing any more fun an unique gameplay to the game

[desert cove]

-Boring
-Not intuitive for majority of player base
-No one will do that because it's not fun
-Most of player base doesn't expect that feature in ARCADE game
-It's unrewarding as fuck

[torpid elk]

I could see it help with little birds doing 360 flips

[golden valley]

So it takes away a fun and unique element of the game and barrel rolls make aiming harder in the first place

[limpid flame]

you know my take on LB grote, just trying to see it from others perspective

[torpid elk]

Littlebird movement is a problem most games have to deal with when they implement a high mobility tool into the game. It rarely finds a comfortable spot balance wise and often flips wildly between over or underpowered when movement is the defining feature

Range + mobility = complete authority over the terms of every fight

[golden valley]

I'm looking at it from a fun gameplay perspective

[torpid elk]

To use mobas as an example, how do you fight someone who is both faster than you and outranges you. Its practically impossible

[golden valley]

I disagree

[torpid elk]

So one of those things has to go on the lb

[golden valley]

They don't, though

It seems your arguments are coming completely from playing against really good pilots, we don't balance for the exception

[torpid elk]

Disagree all you want games and even military doctrines agree with me. Range + ability to spot and identify a target (irrelevant in battlebit) + mobility is a huge deal

[limpid flame]

in that example as a league player i can tell you how already xd positioning, ability usage, accuracy of abilities, understanding of the weaknesses of your enemy, knowing your strength, being deciseful

so it's mostly skill issue

[golden valley]

It is a skill issue entirely

A sniper outranges a heli by far

[thorny mason]

i just dont think its in a fun spot for the overwhelming majority of players, with the people who can stay alive in it all match being the exception; it has an incredibly high skill floor to use, but you can't make it more accessible without making it even more problematic

[torpid elk]

All you said is league puts tools into the game to allow players to close the distance

[golden valley]

How often do you run into someone getting a stupidly high score with heli

You pretend this is every game it is not.

It is Relatively rare

[torpid elk]

And yet a sniper cant just dip and be across the map when someone sneaks up behind them

[golden valley]

Infantry records are higher, you want to nerf Infantry now?

[limpid flame]

in terms of battlebits you have many tools to "close the gap" be it snipers, dmrs, regular weapons, apcs, boats, humvees with guns, tanks, other lbs, blackhawks

[golden valley]

Positioning.

[limpid flame]

so yes, you indeed have many tools

the skill issue is in how effective you are in using it well in killing the LB

the skill issue is how good the pilot is and how smart he is with HIS positioning

[golden valley]

And 1 or 2 infantry should not be able to tske down the power multiplier that is a vehicle

[torpid elk]

You guys tbink i want that? You can have it strong without it being an oppressive mosquito that is impossible to touch

[thorny mason]

like, it feels like dogshit to die to a single stray heat, or get sniped during the most acrobatic turn of your life, but it cant be helped because the thing is a ufo and it would break the balance

[golden valley]

It is not, but sure. Tell me your idea

[torpid elk]

I already said that either mobility or range needs to be nerfed. Pick one

[thorny mason]

you cant nerf the maneuverability because it'll just create more of a skill gap between the average player and a competent littlebird pilot

[golden valley]

Not to mention the 5 minute respawn

[golden valley]

Neither

Because those are bad ideas

And both have been debated a hundred times

And both have been denied a million times

[torpid elk]

Besides the point, spawns should be purchased with squad points imo. The timer is an awful system imo

[golden valley]

Because they're bad solutions

[golden valley]

No

[torpid elk]

Keep your mobility and range all you want, people will just stop playing modes with vehicles and you will be left scratching your head

[golden valley]

Sure pal

[thorny mason]

my take is that the littlebird isnt unbalanced, its just not fun for anyone unless you're the 0.1% of players (if that) who can competently use it

[golden valley]

It's a glass cannon with a really high skill floor

It is only as compotent ad its user

[torpid elk]

Its not a glass cannon you dingus, if you are going to use tropes like that then be accurate. The lb is a speedster

[limpid flame]

not really...BF4 had issues with good vehicle players and people still played conquest...

it is a glass cannon, 600 HP is like an RHIB

[thorny mason]

yes, as cool as that sounds and all thats not wonderful design for a casual game with 127v127 teams

[limpid flame]

you can kill it easily

[golden valley]

Ugh

[limpid flame]

glass cannon because a skilled pilot can kill a lot of people(only comes from the fact that its a 254 game) and pilot himself can be killed very easily

it has a 5 minute respawn so it has to be worth the usage

[golden valley]

Who said it's casual?

[torpid elk]

Anyways, im done debating lb apologists

[golden valley]

Lmao

Goodbye

[thorny mason]

i would say overwhelming general consensus is that battlebit is a casual game

[limpid flame]

cant wait till james comes to see this chat

lul

[golden valley]

Is bleeding a casual mechanic?

Is air strafing a casual mechanic?

Are the super low ttk's casual?

[torpid elk]

Yes, its not exactly an alien concept

[torpid elk]

Tf2

[golden valley]

We play it causally, it's not casual

[torpid elk]

Low ttk can be casual or hardcore

[thorny mason]

me competitively cs surfing

[limpid flame]

these are not casual friendly features

[golden valley]

Literally a comp game

[limpid flame]

they are not casual features cause a regular andy will complain

that is why so many people were crying about bleeding

that is why so many people want movement to be nerfed for infantry

[golden valley]

Lmao, fair, cs2 still a comp game

[limpid flame]

that is why there are people bitching about vector even to this day

[cedar ember]

Tail rotor one shots have to go, but I agree.

Just yesterday i one shot a transport and LB back to back in a tank lol.

I think maybe one thing that could help give some more power to infantry is to allow engineers to build platforms, they could put them down as cover from above.

[torpid elk]

Nice semamtics. Im not going to bother trying to argue it "playing casually" is different from something "being casual"

It doesnt matter

[golden valley]

Okay lad

Leave like you said you would please

I will continue conversing with people that do bring valuable opinions that they can properly back

And you still aremt leaving....

[golden valley]

.

[thorny mason]

anyways this is my basic outline for why i think a two seater is an improvement over our current situation

[torpid elk]

So what makes an opinion valuable? Something you agree with? Is arguing that playing a casual game isnt the same as the game being casual valuable to discussion or is it just meaningless definition switching to redfine stuff to how you prefer?

[thorny mason]

you're still allowing players the ability to express their skill and be rewarded for it, but you're making it significantly less likely that reward is total match domination by adding the extra element of comms/team play

[limpid flame]

Exactly why i personally think attack heli would be a good addition

[clever vessel]

Bunker buster bomb sounds spectacular especially if we get stronger fortifications to go with it

[limpid flame]

the way of implementation of it could always be changed by the devs but it cant be denied its a new content that could POTENTIALLY change the way the game is played

and how the game feels

but what do i know

[golden valley]

Something that has been thought through and can be backed, you could do none

[limpid flame]

i would rather see new additions to the game that can be tweaked overtime than a lot of potentially good ideas not seeing the light of day because it might be or might not be broken

risk it, there will never be a day when the game is fully balanced

there will always be something broken or unbalanced

not a single game achieves perfect balance

[clever vessel]

Though, as it stands the LB is only easy to shoot down at a certain level of skill, putting it in a higher vehicle class than basically every other one (which not merely have dedicated counters but associated weaknesses that enable inf and other vehicles to extremely easily counter)

The main way you take one down is by being able to account for its pretty radical mobility and fire at it, either with a precision weapon or for sustained periods of time; either one is pretty difficult

The LB is a vehicle that’s only effective with high skill but that can only be countered at all with high skill, imo

[thorny mason]

personally i think the lb's biggest counter is engies doin their damn job

[clever vessel]

Which is why we should welcome more vehicle additions tbh! Diversifying air roles can make for a better balance situation all around

[limpid flame]

fair thing in my eyes, if im a high skill pilot, why would a mid player be able to easily kill me

[thorny mason]

6 heats each is more than enough to overwhelm LB's

still

its not fun

[limpid flame]

exactly my point

[desert cove]

Can I get TLDR about this convo?

[clever vessel]

Idk i joined it just now too

[limpid flame]

see it from this drastic view, if we have only LB that is the sole vehicle in the air and it does it's job, it's pretty obvious it gets all the hate cause no thing else will get the hate, if we get another vehicle in the air, just by the fact of it existing it splits the hate bandwagons. besides, from the earlier BF days, there were always infantry players crying about vehicles, you cant dodge it

[torpid elk]

My point was mobility + range = generally an oppressive combo without something to balance or limit either. thats the tldr for me

[clever vessel]

Yeah you’re absolutely right on that too

[thorny mason]

armed littlebird is in an uncomfortable spot; i proposed a new attack helicopter that's slower and not made of cardboard that splits the responsibilities between pilot and gunner; grote thinks littlebird is in a fine spot (i think); we disagree

tldr

[torpid elk]

No, the red name with a clan tag told me skill issue though so that cant be!

[clever vessel]

Skill or not when an LB can effectively engage at ranges exceeding 80m that already tune out almost all assault rifles and smgs (which is, unfortunately, 70% of a game) means that the people who are its most effective targets - the zergs - are the ones who can’t effectively turn to go after it most often

There isn’t a good window of time to observe and respond because of the LB’s incredible mobility

[limpid flame]

Thus why there should be another vehicle in the air actively fighting with LBs, you cant expect infantry plebs to be able to contest a vehicle in the air (even tho they absolutely can)

[clever vessel]

And this is why the whole ‘oh LB doesn’t require that much skill’ bs is so common in this thread because instead of acknowledging that it’s not exactly LB players’ fault that we’re in this situation it’s easier to assign them the blame for defending what is, generally, a good experience in a vehicle - practically bloody unheard of in the game atm

[torpid elk]

And sitting with "lb lookout duty" being prepared to fire an rpg as your job is really boring. Im going to be blunt, i want to shoot at people instead of sitting just waiting for an lb to approach and rpg on the spot

[golden estuary]

Yep. They get to choose when to initiate or disengage.

[limpid flame]

my point stands, another vehicle to contest the airspace would do the job perfectly

new additions make the game different

[golden estuary]

How's that different from adding another LB to the map lmao

[thorny mason]

personally I still think the armed littlebird should either be tossed or massively reworked

[clever vessel]

In the rework camp imo; the LB’s current set vehicle role is just… kinda uninteresting imo - it doesn’t lay down supporting fire or what not, it just kinda strafes, kills patches of enemies, leaves, rise and repeat

[golden estuary]

Bf4 moment. Jets are too strong, let's add stealth jets to keep them in check. People use stealth jets to whack people almost as much as normal jets 😂

[thorny mason]

it's just not fun except for the exceptional few and i don't think many could disagree with that

[clever vessel]

At the high levels of skill that’s fun but there is a reason other than vehicle unavailability that people just don’t play the damn thing

[thorny mason]

the average pilot isn't having a great time being one-shot the moment they stop doing acrobatic displays

[limpid flame]

lemme tell you how, maybe your low iq brain will understand a piece of valid informations:
Littlebird by design is made to kill infantry and deal with L armor vehicles,
IF
there is another vehicle like attack heli, it creates a valid dynamic in airspace, where the LB has to be aware of the surroundigns or gets killed by attack heli
the attack heli can always be tuned by the devs to be pretty weak against infantry, that doesnt mean vehicles should be totally ineffective against infantry cause in a game with 5 minute vehicle respawn timers taht would make a very boring gameplay

as an LB player then it makes me less focused on the infantry and thus makes the games less oppresive for infantry

cause i cant be just looking at them 24/7 and doing the evil slaughtering of poor sheep

there is an effective counter to LB this way

[clever vessel]

The bomb idea is great because it plays into the LB’s role and really gives it a reason to get in close, aka be vulnerable, as opposed to the long strafe

But also, it gives LB players more things to do - cooler things to do sometimes, that incentivizes them to learn and to keep playing

[thorny mason]

until people start bombing you from the top of the skybox

[clever vessel]

Well yeah, i don’t think that was ever in doubt as an issue

[golden estuary]

Read Bf4 stealth jets lmao. LB pilots already prioritise other LBs.

[torpid elk]

Re: ww2 bomb innacuracy

[clever vessel]

Thank god no friendly fire in this game lmfao

[golden estuary]

How is that different from adding another hard counter like ground AA lmao

[limpid flame]

ok and? the more skilled one will win instantly and then proceed to fuck up entire infantry for another 5 minutes

[clever vessel]

Otherwise every bomber pilot would be committing dresden every pass

[limpid flame]

proceeds to win again and keeps killing everyone again

dont base battlebit vehicles on BF4

we're also talking helis, not jets, plus jets were not as op as you think cause the percentage of goot jet pilots was SO low that most of the players never felt what it was to die to a jet

[clever vessel]

Honestly i think it’s a fair comparison? Infantry targets will always be the most attractive to air simply because they are on the ground and move slower than you do

[thorny mason]

while personally I think rocket pods are a massively missed opportunity for this game, especially with the destruction elements, i just think explosives like that take up too much of the power budget in the vehicles

[clever vessel]

And in a game where inf is constantly playing zerg, that’s worth considering tbh

[golden estuary]

Lmao "most players never felt what it was to die to a jet" sure..

[limpid flame]

it's funny you remember jets being broken but not AA being used against infantry aswell

🙂

[thorny mason]

gotta have serious compromises elsewhere if you're gonna have weaponry that strong

littlebird already kinda breaks that considering how insane it's guns are

[clever vessel]

Yeah

Oh for dedicated counters though towable stationary AA would be better imo

[limpid flame]

moving to BF2042, wildcat was used mostly against infantry aswell until they added more vehicles

[golden estuary]

Lmao ofc I know AA used against infantry, same with stealth jets or any other vehicle. You add it to counter another vehicle and people still use it against infantry. Adding AH to counter LB is the Australian way of dealing with pests lmao.

Cane toads and foxes go brrrr

[limpid flame]

ok but we already know LB will not get a nerf so what is your point

what would you add

[clever vessel]

Also… yeah. The LB is currently its own greatest counter

[limpid flame]

lets try to talk with you on a level

[golden estuary]

Really, did oki say that

[limpid flame]

yes

[golden estuary]

Lmao F

[limpid flame]

It's not even oki, oki hardly even think about it, its the feedback team that completely agreed on that

[golden estuary]

Up L vehicle damage for LMGs and high calibre rifles.

[clever vessel]

It worked okay in BFV where you’re vulnerable as hell just by having to be there and fire tbh

[limpid flame]

so you make gameplay even more unfun for noob/average players and hardly even affecting the 1% which make the issue what it is rn

ok

[golden estuary]

Lol if the only way to reign in the 1% of pilots is to add in a hard counter AA...

Then average players oof lmao

[limpid flame]

APCs borderline already do AA job

[torpid elk]

I always bring this up when it comes to balance. Its part of the issue with snipers on certain maps that the only way to counter them is to play sniper yourself (im talking the maps with good spots in controlled territory that snipers can sit in safely without worry about being snuck up on)

its ok for a weapon or class to counter itself but it shouldnt be the only efective counter

[limpid flame]

if used by a somewhat skilled player

[torpid elk]

Because when you make a game like that it turns from rock paper scissors into rock rock rock which is AWFUL if i dont want to play rock

[golden estuary]

Just use c4-drone that the recon squad lead has /s

[clever vessel]

It comes down to that stupid taxonomical thing where people have been like it’s so easy for you to shoot down an LB!! Then why doesn’t it happen more often

[thorny mason]

anyways i think i'm too tuckered out for real thinking now so i'm just gonna say it again, replace armed lb's with apache type helis (pilot, gunner, turret) and the game is just better

[golden estuary]

Until a discord squad flies one 😂

But coordination should be rewarding.

[torpid elk]

Ultimax is strong right now and im happy with accepting the headshots i recieve from being stationary and holding a spot down using a bipod... but then when i look at where i got shot from and its deep within enemy territory on frontline? That SUCKS because now im forced to play recon to deal with him or just give up on holding large portions of the map because of his sightlines

[thorny mason]

that's the idea

even then, you're limited by your comms unless you've got psychic buddies

[golden estuary]

How soon before tanks get split into those slots.. Do we have to wait for HC mode for that 😂

[thorny mason]

two great players might eat dirt because they can't comm well

[limpid flame]

1 thing is that they are both easy to kill and at the same time based on the average skill level of a battlebit player it makes it seem like an impossible task
2nd thing is that they simply cant be forced to counter an aerial vehicle, there should be a dedicated aerial fighter, like an attack helicopter, that would excell at that

[golden estuary]

Battlefield did it pretty good without comms. Showing the aiming point and limits of the gunner on the pilot HUD.

So I always knew how to turn so my NPC gunner can hit.

Or where my NPC pilot was trying to hit.

[thorny mason]

that'd work, like an mfd panel in the heli showing the turret cam

[clever vessel]

Well… the dedicated aerial fighter… would be the armored LB, really

It’s fast, its maneuverable, its main kit can be applied to infantry but theoretically isn’t ideal since it can’t occupy more than a supportive role

While i’m for more vehicles to diversify the roles, if they’re not the LB they can’t serve as an effective air counter. Because the LB is the universal counter

[limpid flame]

This is why i wanted LBs to have lower L armor, so the reason for Attack heli IS the vehicle fighting, by design AH is slower but slightly more bulkier, cant really reign fire on infantry cause it has limited ammo but excell at fighting LB
thinking that LB is a counter to LB is bad cause, if the there is a skilled pilot and there is a worse pilot, better one wins and proceeds to massacre the poor infantry mass while they hardly know how to counter it

this would also make me as an LB player think about like cars and boats and blackhawks less cause then there is a dedicated vehicle excelling at destroying those.

but since AH is slower it's also vulnerable to the targets it wants to kill

so it makes pure balance

better player wins

as gaming should be

we dont need jets, and certainly we dont need AA too

we just need a role diversification in vehicles

[golden estuary]

LBs doing a 180 on a dime and legging it back to safe zone 😂

Can't catch can't kill lol

[wide relic]

Don’t forget while flying upside down

[golden estuary]

A slow but hard counter can only deny an area

Which... Isn't that useful in bbr lmao

Defending? What is that

[limpid flame]

That is a good counter, what would be a point of a vehicle that is countered entirely by something, with 5 minute respawn

vehicles are meant to be power multipliers for teams, not xp bags for infantry and other shits

that is the conquest balance

plus, you can always make the AH do big damage to LB

idk

anyways im done with this thread for today

time to sleep

enjoy your night lads

[golden estuary]

Laters

[torpid elk]

The important thing about counters is there should be multiple diverse options.

for snipers we have...
1: sneak up on them and kill them (on good maps and modes that allow it 😒 )
2: avoid sightlines (on good maps 😒 )
3: build cover (on gamemodes that allow it 😒 )
4: counter snipe.

You can completely avoid snipers impacting your game and only one of those options requires you actually change class to be one yourself

[wide relic]

Wish there were parachutes to

[clever vessel]

We can definitely have more counters that certainly don’t go to the idiotic extent of ‘every class should get c4’

[limpid flame]

on the good night note
why do we even bother talking here if feedback from this chat is hardly even noticed xd

[golden estuary]

Vent channel lmao

Go sleep 😂

[limpid flame]

🤣

[clever vessel]

Twilight dreams of some dev reading it all

[torpid elk]

Oh yea, that also sucks when counters are too common. To use the rock paper scissors analogy thats like wanting to play rock but everyone has paper

[clever vessel]

It’s all about specialization in the end

Classes can’t be ‘fully balanced’, but they certainly can be in a state where all of them are relatively equally useful

Game design can’t be structured around ‘skill’, which doesn’t really exist and isn’t at all quantifiable; it has to be designed around the playspace that exists

Otherwise we wouldn’t have even gotten to square one of having a trophy system because ‘if you’re skilled enough you’d be able to avoid those grenades’

[golden valley]

I am literally here lmao

Drew is too

Any interesting point gets taken straight into the feedback team

[desert cove]

And what about that huh?

[desert cove]

Rule 1.

[golden valley]

Lmao

[limpid flame]

what is interesting is deemed by the feedback team

[golden valley]

We were literally announced, they know we exist lol

[limpid flame]

you guys do great job

but

[golden valley]

Issues a large majority have problems with

[desert cove]

Yeah, vehicles need to wait a little

[golden valley]

Possible solutions that seems to have agreeance behind it

Possible content that seem to have a large backing

And then it still needs to pass by us

[clever vessel]

Is the whole feedback team patreon backers

[golden valley]

Not anymore no

It was at first

https://youtu.be/j69UOEnb_JY?si=3wg8FjXK0jrOy94u&t=880

You can learn more here

[limpid flame]

imo the priorities are pretty bad rn

but its just my opinion

not really, we all have slightly differing opinions

[golden valley]

We can't do anythinf about Oki's priorities

[limpid flame]

sadly

[golden valley]

You need experienced insight and conflict of interest can hardly be avoided, that is why it isnt just me in there

There's every type of playstyle in there

I try to be objective though

But I am certainly more biased towards heli's than some others in there

And I'm not the only pilot in there, there's multiple with different insights and I take the opinions of my members with me too

And then there's others with opposing playstyles to give their insights

It's all fairly balanced and as you can see looking at the previous updates I think we do good work

[thorny mason]

unless someones already doing it I might look into making a survey/poll about the armed lb/general airspace to see where people are at

this thread is a monumental shitshow

might do two so we can separate pilot responses between infantry responses

[heady jewel]

10000 messages

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[thorny mason]

this is quite possibly the only non-contentious take posted here

[clever vessel]

Might also be worth making a consolidated Google doc tbh

[worthy wave]

both

[clever vessel]

The thread is a nightmare trawl

Actually

Lemme just do that

[limpid flame]

pls do

[hasty kettle]

Tank F3 gunner is useless since any degree variation the tank moves along makes aiming WAY too jarring.

[desert cove]

Nah, most agree that APC sucks

Boat too

[hasty kettle]

Tank has to be sitting still for the F3 to be accurate - causes tank to sit back and camp - causes upset players.

[desert cove]

Yeah, MG needs stabilisation very much, it's useless when you are moving

[clever vessel]

i wrote a doc and it currently features mainly complaints about APCs/Tanks

don't want to do this without you guys who've been doing most of the discussing though so if you wanna help dm me with a dummy email and i'll share it

[rancid hound]

well that's accurate but if they want to be accurate T90 doesn't even have a RWS

it's annoying to comprehend how realistic the game aims to be

sometimes it doesn't make senses but sometimes it's too realistic that it's annoying

[golden estuary]

Worst of both worlds 😂

But trying to get the devs to balance asymmetric MBTs is 💀

[opaque lily]

There's no need to add an attack helicopter with the transport helicopter and transport littlebird already ingame. They can kill/contest armor with rpgs.

I do like the sound of a a .50 cal browning door gunner/turret through~

[desert cove]

Balancing asymmetry is hard as fuck if not impossible

For that you need a full scope of features, like Squad does, otherwise good luck

[golden estuary]

Yeah, hence no point trying to do more realistic abrams vs t90

Just tank with same stats for both sides

[desert cove]

But T90 is better because smaller, and MG have better vision

Somehow

Same with BTR and LAV, BTR model makes it better

That's literally russian bias

[golden estuary]

lmao

[desert cove]

Blackhawk tail rotor also is easier to hit in my expirience

[golden estuary]

Yeah chalk that to another aspect that's halfway between arcade and milsim that fails to deliver

[limpid flame]

Oki definitely war Thunder player

💀

[thorny mason]

blackhawks can't really have rpgs because of the viewing angles you get from any seat, gives you extremely narrow fire clearance

and there's not nearly enough transport littlebirds in the game

off the top of my head the only (actually played) maps with police/lux littlebirds are a single lb lux on sandy, one on each team in tensa and district

and maybe one on basra i can't recall

[opaque lily]

F11 and F12 are the RPG seats. They can fire downwards nearly vertical.

[thorny mason]

yeah but you gotta hope your pilot lines you up or slows down because rockets will clip the heli if fired too wide

if its moving

[gentle tendon]

Want a bomber? have a support player strapped with Sui-c4

[clever vessel]

Also eduardovo

They can be deadly effective though, flying podunk attack heli squad is always terrifying

[spare mantle]

Ground vehicles are just miserable to use as a player currently. Either c4 needs to be replaced on most classes with breach charges that don't do vehicle damage or something, or tandems need to be changed up.

I think directional damage is the way to go. APCs taking more damage from the back is great, tanks should be that way too from above/the back. I think tandems should do less damage to the front in exchange for really high weak point damage, that way they're not just a "gg outplayed", "I win" type of weapon against all vehicles.

[desert cove]

Directional dmg is ok, if you don't allow for one shots and give a bonus up fornt. Which APC have only one, guess which one

[spare mantle]

This would make them not just a straight upgrade from heats against vehicles, while still demolishing humvees and such (maybe vehicle disabling could be introduced so one shots aren't as common?)

[spare mantle]

The apc one shot was a real funny change

[desert cove]

Good idea, if you want to make them more miserable lol

[winged adder]

tandems are fine, the issue imo is that heat are useful against everything, and frags are useless

Maybe drop tandem ammo to 2 at the extreme

[desert cove]

Tandems are too good for how avalibe they are. EVERYONE can equip tandem, so yeah, they are not fine.

[spare mantle]

Well right now tandems just one tap you. So instead making them disable the vehicle/"doom" the vehicle would be good. Perhaps there could be like an "overkill" mechanic so that c4 can skip the disable, or a tandem at low vehicle hp would still blow it up. It's mainly to protect humvees and apcs from getting nuked, but there's a variety of ways to adjust it.

I think tandems just feel fine atm because most people aren't running them because heats are stupid effective against infantry, and are funny

[desert cove]

With how many players there is, everyone running AT, disable is guaranteed kill.

[spare mantle]

So once heats/frags get adjusted we'll start seeing the complaints roll in. There also simply aren't a lot of vehicles to shoot rockets at in a lot of modes if you play things other than conquest. There's usually like 1-2 tanks in conquest

[winged adder]

if frags were actually good, you'd see engys running them and be way less useful vs vehicles

[desert cove]

Tandems were never fine. Too much dmg for something that everyone of 127 players in team can equip without limit

[winged adder]

(aside, c4 needs a massive nerf at the least, how are we tossing it 20m and how does it magically stick to any surface)

[spare mantle]

I think saying tandems are fine because people don't equip them misses the point imo

[desert cove]

The fact that I need to have this conversation for 5 time alredy says a lot about people not reading....

[winged adder]

Tandems are slow, hard to aim, and you only get 3 shots

[spare mantle]

Trust me, I don't think tandems are ok. I think they fundamentally invalidate vehicles with how the mechanics currently work. A squad actually working together could murder a tank REALLY easy, no challenge with the options available. There should at least be a little danger or counter play other than a panic smoke for the tranks. Fuck, I'd take active protection lol

[spare mantle]

Doesn't matter when tanks have to sit still to shoot semi accurately 😎

Also they bounce the apcs around, but that's a different issue unrelated to tandems lol

[winged adder]

Well then that's a tank problem, not a tandem problem

[desert cove]

If you find Tandems hard to aim, then respectfully, you are bad at it. Its easy, you just need to train minimal amount

They are guys hiting moving tanks form moving helis

[spare mantle]

The point is, the problems combine to make tandems crazy strong.

Also yea, I've hit moving tanks and helis before. Helis pretty rarely, but tanks pretty easily

[winged adder]

Past 100m you need to nail the range to like a single tank width it lobs so high

[desert cove]

You just need two players with tandems, inteligent enough to not run upnfront of the tank and avoide its LoS

[spare mantle]

Tandems should have a not scoped variation tbh as well. It's just weird they don't lol. I know it's for balancing, but I hate the scope. That's just an unrelated gripe though.

Two players with tandems literally give no counter play if they mildly coordinate yea

Also, add a 3rd player who's a cracked out medic (me) with c4 sprinting at the tank

Also add 124 other players

All with possibly heats, possibly tandems

Also add that repairing takes 10 minutes

[winged adder]

Abrams irl can hit a moving tank while going full speed at like 2 miles with apfsds, for reference

Other western tanks have similar capability iirc

[spare mantle]

It's just a lot of things that don't work together well right now for ground vehicles. They either need more mechanical depth to the damage they take, or they need the threats against them adjusted so they can be managed by skilled play and positioning better

[winged adder]

Vehicles in general need to be more accurate and more deadly

(how does the browning need like 3 hits to get a kill for example?)

How does the apc's cannon need more than one direct hit

[spare mantle]

I think they're plenty deadly, but they're all glass cannons, need to be driven back to spawn to reload and repair (should be some on key middle objectives or something, and marked on the map), and can be jank to aim with at times, AND take like 5-8 seconds to reloaf

[spare mantle]

Because a one shot would suck. It's a video game

[desert cove]

Positioning doesn't exists for vehicles. Every infantry man can click a button to reveal your location, slap wallhack marker on you and make your position visible to everyone

[desert cove]

APC can be oneshotted tho

Lol

[spare mantle]

Positioning as in behind your team members, on a hill, behind a wall etc. Not just being hidden, but that is also true

[winged adder]

I will point out that the spotting us buggy as hell so it's not as bad as it could be

[desert cove]

2. HMG needs 2 shots

[spare mantle]

Lmao true, and it's not fun. Hence my complaining

I think the direct damage on the APC is fine, it's just inaccurate af for some reason so your shots miss a ton. There's also not a lot of splash damage it feels like? Different issue though from what I'm complaining about

[desert cove]

It's terrible even in principle. If you spot inf, you have not moving marker. You spot vehicle? Free wallhack for you!

[winged adder]

(I've had tanks 100m front me get red pip spotted instead of tank spotted, and also tagged jeeps from like 500. it's very, very, bugged lol)

[spare mantle]

I think it's distance based, the spotting

[winged adder]

you'd think so

[spare mantle]

Far away helis don't get the vehicle spot

And up close tanks sometimes don't lol

Similar to how you can't say "I'm coming to help" to downed players if you're too close

[winged adder]

I wonder if up close we're managing to spot the driver instead of the tank

[spare mantle]

I think it's just the spotting system being jank

[desert cove]

Direct dmg for APC isn't fine. APC doesn't have anything to justify its liw survivability. It has worse fire power than a tank. Less armour and HP than a tank, but offers slightyl faster speed and ability to swim(transporting players doesn't matter, no one is using apc as a taxi lol). Its harder to use and less rewarding for a player. It's not a glass cannon like a littlebird.

What APC have to justify its low survivability?

[spare mantle]

I think buffing it's damage would be the wrong approach personally. Just give it a machine gun on mouse 2 lol

And let players spawn on it easier? Spawning on vehicles is it's own whole issue

[desert cove]

Still not enough

And yes, buffing dmg would be bad approach

But even with coax, that's not enough

Tank have 2 more players, MG, thermal sight

[spare mantle]

It's biggest weakness is the reload. Give it an MG (or passenger MG) and suddenly it's survivability shots up massively

[desert cove]

Not really

[spare mantle]

The tank does have those 3 seats, but the apc shouldn't be as strong as the tank. It should be an excellent transport and infantry support vehicle, but all the problems mentioned previously make it not so

Like all the problems affecting all vehicles

[desert cove]

That's blackwahk role

You can't compete with helis as a transport

[winged adder]

I don't mind the damage on splash hits, just the direct hit an infantry in the chest damage

[desert cove]

Then there is spawn system

[spare mantle]

You can have a heli and a ground vehicle transport thing. That's how BF uses it's transport APC that can be spawned on from everywhere. I think that one works great

[desert cove]

Making APC better at transport is pointles and even Stupid

[spare mantle]

In BF the spawn APC is different from the BTR though

[winged adder]

Shooting out the view slits with primary could be amusing

[desert cove]

It's and IFV, Oki just doesn't know difference and calls it APC...

[spare mantle]

So it depends on if they want to separate those roles out.

[desert cove]

Gimmick at best

[spare mantle]

It was useless in BF tbh

Shooting out of the slits

But it made me feel safe

[winged adder]

Real suggestion: reload ammo for infantry while in the apc

[spare mantle]

Oooo

That'd be nice.

[desert cove]

Doesn't change apc problem

But it's nice

[spare mantle]

Idk what you want it to be

Sounds like you just want it to be a faster, different tank?

Which is ok to want that

I think for the purpose of the game it should have its own role on the field - a bit of overlap is ok of course. Just depends on how many vehicles are planning to be added

[desert cove]

No, I want it to be more competent at it's joob (not transport) and not suck. The disparity between it and tank is huge. For example, in BF2042, tank is a tank, and that's all, then EBAA wildcat, have AA/AT missles, autocannons of three different types, and more speed. Bot vehicles are competent, have thier own roles, and one is more tanky and one is more mobile. The gap is small, and they allow for different playstyles and fullfil different roles

In BBR, APC is Whis.com version of tank, and much harder to use

[graceful void]

i think he doesn't know a LOT of things about vehicles

[desert cove]

Man played Squad and BF4 a lot, such great examples of vehicle gameplay

[spare mantle]

Well it's harder to use because it's just a downgrade currently. Doesn't have its own gear or anything. I would like if it controlled a little more lightly, didn't bounce around, had an MG, and shredded infantry personally. But was still pretty weak overall armor wise and maybe didn't do much to walls. It does need adjustment, which I think most can agree on

I honestly don't want AA vehicles in the game. They're kind of the worst in BF3 and 4 lol. I sort of like the balance atm. Maybe make the little bird type helis a tiny bit heavier or have a bit more inertia (holding S doesn't just stop you and push you down, it slows down the blade speed proper like in other games such as rising storm 2).

Oh also

The attack boat is doo doo garbo. Please add more zoom levels and make the gun not inaccurate af, thanks

And let the driver shoot it

If it requires 2 people to be 100% effective, it shouldn't feel like garbo

Oh, really minor complaint with tanks. Why tf are the reversing controls all weird.

Like, please let us reverse the reversing controls so they're like a normal vehicle

[rich spruce]

#dev-wip well, that’s a further nerf to ground vehicles in general
but what if we stopped C4 sticking to tanks and APCs 🤔

[desert cove]

4 grenades to destroy a tank from the rear

Looks like more incentive to not play objective

[spare mantle]

Finally, another reason to snipe with the tank

[desert cove]

Yeah, we need more of those

[onyx swan]

for the love of god give us a vehicle lock

[harsh oracle]

Tank was not full hp
A nade does 15% of its hp as dmg, so it would take 7 of those
The clip is a bit confusing in this regatd as it makes ppl who never used antivehicle nades to think they are op
They were bordeline trash and only usable if vehicles were standing still
A welcome change

But yeah, 1 more reason vehicles will be antisocial and camp in safezone / water

[desert cove]

How do you know that it wasn't full HP?

I can't spot smoke in tank, and it should show up below 80/70%

[clever vessel]

the c4 is a more effective tank nade anyways

though that's not saying much, with the current balance i don't think there's an explosive it isn't better than

[harsh oracle]

Because in case of a tanks and btrs the amount of points you get (15 in this case) is the percantage of its hp you deal in dmg
I get 88 points by hitting a tandem to tanks back and 15 from a nade on a standing still tank

[harsh oracle]

C4 requires you to get rly close, nades can be thrown from much futher distance
They are now viable

[harsh oracle]

Not sure about that, but the dmg % stuff is correct

[cedar ember]

Let's not forget tandoms deal what? 2x the damage of the AP tank shell?

And once again, every single class having c4 is silly

[harsh oracle]

Ap shell does 20 to the front armor
Tandem does 22
You are not correct

Ap shell has alnost no drop off over distance and travels 1km in less than a second
Tandem can be reliavly fired at a STANDING STILL target up to 200 meters, with some experience up to 300m
If the tank is moving tandems effective range is like 50m
C4 on every class makes sense so that vehicles dont run amok
Proceed with ur infantry or camp at safe zone

[graceful void]

proceeding with infantry will just get you killed, because nobody gives a shit

better to just camp in spawn 🙂

[cedar ember]

Wise one, how many AP shells vs Tandems to the rear does it take?

Tandems 2 shot tanks in the rear.

I can guarantee AP shells do not 2 shot.

IIRK it is 4-5

hence... double damage

Also... c4 can kill tanks so fast that infantry can't respond in time. Happens ALL the time. I get killed often with my squad right next to me. Usually it goes something like "guy on the rig----" tank blown up

[harsh oracle]

I havent played tanks that much, is the AP dmg not multiplied when hitting sides / rear?
2 tandems to the back, like you have to get in position to launch the roxket plus the back is literalally the back, you have to hit the vertical back side and not top back
So unless tank is standing still its a huge gamble
Tanks is done for with 1 tandem to the back for 88 dmg and another can hit front for 22 or side for 44
Vehicles are oppressive enough I dont want them to be more of a nuissance

[clever vessel]

Tell that to the average infantryman jumping on a tank from one of its fifteen thousand blind spots to dump c4 all over it

Also i hope we don’t feed the ‘vehicles are too oppressive’ conversation again

I don’t think we need another 1k posts about expressing basic reality

[clever vessel]

If nothing else at least at grenades have an animation so instead of having four thrown at once by one person it will be four thrown at once by four people who realize c4 is easier and go back to using frags

[cedar ember]

Lol right? Anybody who thinks vehicles are oppressive as is should stick to infantry conquest or other non-vehicle maps. The vehicles in this game are probably the weakest out of ANY shooter I can think of.

[harsh oracle]

my point is they are fine and the tools to deal with them are as well
Seems to me you wanna be invincible in your can tins shooting everything in sight

[cedar ember]

I just want to be able to leave spawn without getting insta gibbed by 15 tandems...

Also you saying that makes it so clear you have read nothing that was posted here

Please don't troll, it's a waist of time

[clever vessel]

I suppose we should be grateful he just immediately landed on ‘you just want invincible vehicles’ instead of dragging it out endlessly

[limpid flame]

Huge cap

[torpid elk]

I think part of the problem is vehicles feel oppressive mostly because of the range they can strike you at.

not that they are strong but its easy to understand how the average infantry player might consider them oppressive when he gets splattered from across the map by a tank and he can do nothing about it from that range.

In a sense, vehicles are oppressive when they are at great range and infantry are oppressive when they are close to the vehicle. Most player just dont realize this because... well refer to all the discussion about how vehicle players are incentivized to play

[clever vessel]

Also the focus on tanks since they do have one-shot shells so if they do score the hit, it certainly does feel oppressive

Which is why half the inf sweats who come in here think the apc is just ‘the tank with an autocannon’ and act like it’s in an okay place

[limpid flame]

But the thing is, vehicles have to feel this way, vehicles are meant to be power multipliers for teams, treat them as sort of a raidboss shit that actually does not feel so for the vehicle user. Infantry players will ALWAYS bitch about vehicles cause they always feel unfair that they died to something they cant deal with their aim

[clever vessel]

Yeah we’re not disagreeing

[torpid elk]

Yea, like snipers all you got to do is keep your head down or build a few sandbags and whatever, problem solved!

meanwhile a tank splatters you through the sandbags most of the time. So they certainly do feel oppressive when they can do all sorts of nasty things to me and i cant do anything to them (or at least it doesnt feel like i can do anything to them because of the range) but snipers dont feel so bad because i can put a barrier between us

[limpid flame]

IM eager to Say snipers are way more annoying anyways, especially in this medium scope meta bullshit

Plus recent buff of DMRs only makes this issue worse

[torpid elk]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clever vessel]

I’m annoyed at the DMR buff

The DMRs weren’t weak, the current blob gameplay just makes their ideal situations scarce

[torpid elk]

Im kinda alright with snipers... i actually think glint should go away since everyone is just using med scopes anyways

[clever vessel]

Instead now we just have two-shot machines walking about the place

[torpid elk]

Idk how i feel about dmrs, havent used them nor have i felt many issues against them but im also usually using a gun that outcompetes them in their own range (ultimax go brrrrrr)

[limpid flame]

Not really a topic for vehicle feedback but personally i believe, especially after DMR buff, regular snipers should not have Access To medium scopes

[torpid elk]

Dmr and sniper players think they are cool and all laying down precision fire until they start recieving precision automatic fire from 200m out

[clever vessel]

Tbh the problem for DMRs/LMGs has been an exemplar of this game’s big aggressive blob problem

The buff to DMRs kinda scares me ngl because it might mean we’re on the path of just turning every gun into the variant of an AR or sniper

Which is what treyarch did and it sucks ass

[limpid flame]

It's good that DMRs Got Buffed but they should be the mid between AR And sniper And they feel like snipers rn because both use medium scopes

Thus why I feel like snipers need to be locked to long range scopes to differentiate between gun roles even more

[torpid elk]

That was my perspective actually, they could perform well within their effective rangr but there just were not enough engagements at those sorts of ranges to warrant the specialization of a dmr vs the general strength of a bolt action which performed well at the same ranges and longer

[limpid flame]

So that i at least can tell what is shooting at me

But back to the main topic guys!Vehicles!

not that much has to be said after those 10k messages lol

[torpid elk]

The lmg change though feels a bit better though mostly because you are strong out to 200m and down to like 50m before other guns start kicking your ass but even then you had a niche of "precision automatic fire through tiny holes in walls"

[clever vessel]

I observed this from my friend who uses a DMR, where he scores on average 20~25 kills per game and at high deaths (think on average 15-20 range)

The only situations where they’re getting to do the kind of high-power focused supporting fire they are built for are either defensive ones or having to move up and take extremely temporary position pot shots

In relation to the rest it’s not gonna have a major impact on the game since ARs/SMGs are the favorite children of hyperaggro gameplay; it makes them more forgiving which is good, i just can’t shake the thought that it’s a misguided idea

[torpid elk]

Make dmrs do damage to all vehicles 😈

[clever vessel]

Djskjdkwjdka god no help no

Me salivating over the possibility of vehicle customization

[torpid elk]

(Ignore me but it would be amusing for the first time ||amd first time only|| to see like 20+ recon players just unload on a poor tank at the other side of the map)

Fixing the problem of vehicles camping **the wrong way 👍 **

[clever vessel]

The one and only time recon players ever coordinate with one another

Anti vehicle solidarity

[torpid elk]

Maybe its worth it for this 🤔

lets shelf it as an april fools idea for now

It would be a funky idea though if c4 was removed from like every class

[desert cove]

Game design choice used to compensate for players being unable to cooperate on basicl level. BF2042 does the same thing lol

[torpid elk]

Definitely medics and recon maybe shouldnt have c4

Honestly... im thinking on this, maybe it could be a way to allow classes to deter vehicles without needing access to c4

[desert cove]

Oh god no, PS2 AT rifle spam is terrible. Fuck armour, it could deal with it, but every heli would be dead

[torpid elk]

Very low damage that is only really threatening when massed in very heavy nunbers but could be deployed at range?

[desert cove]

That leads to tanks camping

Even more

[torpid elk]

Ok, yeah i didnt think about helis. Would need an exception for then but probably better to not even implement the idea

[rancid hound]

vehicles lack vehicle v vehicles combat capabilites

engis screw you over faster than a tank

[torpid elk]

Mhhh, maybe. It would encourage using cover as opposed to just sitting out in the open relying upon range to keep you safe. With map design that could actually encourage vehicles to get closer where cover is

[desert cove]

You could make it deal H dmg and not L dmg, but then the weapon is one trick pony, and wouldn't be used for anything than annoying players, which is bad.

[desert cove]

Engis screw you too fast.

[torpid elk]

Yea, very fair points. Maybe in some other game but not battlebit. It is a funky idea so i still want to see it for april fools though

[desert cove]

10 front, 5 side, 3 rear

[desert cove]

Play PS2 then

You can make such thing there

It's nice, if you are on dealing end

[torpid elk]

Established meta, also whole point of garbage like this during april fools is you can implement wacky shit but doesnt last too long so you dont need to worry too much about it being a problem

[desert cove]

Saying that only shows that someone never played BBR, or his idea of being "oppresive" is vehicles existence, like for every smoothbrain CoD player.

[torpid elk]

Ocasionally you might strike gold and make something so succesful that your non april-foolsed game is less popular by comparison (urf for league of legends )

[clever vessel]

This is relatable since i am a cod player

It’s very fun watching the most dishonest feedback being shelled out to devs on such a constant basis devs started making a habit of stealth patching

[rancid hound]

APCs shouldnt have weakspot

armor is uniformed

[desert cove]

Cod player that doesn't hate vehicles? That's new for me

[clever vessel]

BF/CoD heritage helps, have similar hours on both games

[clever vessel]

Honestly agreed; weakspot should be for something that’s a genuinely hostile target like a tank, the apc shouldn’t have one, especially considering how god damn paper it is

[spare mantle]

Idk what this conversation became

But the issue isn't that the vehicles can't kill people good enough, it's that unless you play tanks and apcs in a very specific way they're practically useless. And the way to play them just isn't fun, and even then you can still get your ass torn up when playing that way. Aka shooting at people 5 miles away and returning to spawn constantly to heal.

[clever vessel]

Yeah

[spare mantle]

Simply put, they're not fun guys

[clever vessel]

We reached that conclusion 12 inf sweats insisting the problem is that tanks are too oppressive sitting near spawn killing one person every fifteen years ago

[spare mantle]

And the reason people go 60-0 in them is because they're sitting in spawn basically only shooting people dumb enough to come near

[clever vessel]

You still see 60-0 tanks??

I thought they were a lost breed

[spare mantle]

It's an exaggeration, but you'd think they all do that based on how people talk about them and helicopters

[clever vessel]

Real

Idk if you were back then but earlier in this thread it was nonstop I SEE SO MANY 100-0 TANKS

[spare mantle]

Ground vehicle gameplay simply isn't fun at the moment for anyone driving them.

[clever vessel]

Real af

[spare mantle]

The only change the little birds need is better inertia and a mild physics adjustment to promote smarter flying rather than the sporadic way they can fly atm

Putting resupply stuff on certain objectives (marked on the map too) would help out all vehicles as well

The maps in this game are huge, and you take permanent health damage

[clever vessel]

And stabilizers, coax guns for apcs

[spare mantle]

Yea, it'd be nice if the view didn't bounce around when moving as much. It is a nice balancer for the tank coax, but it causes more situations where you get snuck up on by cracked out medics (me)

And shot from 10 miles away with RPGs

[clever vessel]

Honestly

I’m coming around to health buff as opposed to numbers buff

Though on some conq maps we really just need more apcs/tanks in general

[spare mantle]

We need more of them in every mode, and we need asymmetry

In rush one side could start with a tank while another gets one later on

I think a quick fix would be like one more rocket hit of health

A decent bandaid for the moment

Maybe half a rocket

[clever vessel]

Oh i’d be for that but maybe on breakthrough/newer maps

Atm… the map sides aren’t similar enough to be perfectly equal but aren’t different enough to be properly designed for assymetry

(God please give me breakthrough)

[spare mantle]

Yea, rush and other modes would need spawn zone and objective adjustment and stuff for it

But it's REALLY weird that vehicles basically only exist on conquest

[cedar ember]

If they added in suppression as a mechanic I would be ok with snipers

You know, vision going blurry/flinching a little when a ton of bullets are landing 2" from your face.

[clever vessel]

would give me a tremendous fright so i'm for it

[rancid hound]

60-0 camping tanks is a phenomenon

only happened in Tensa US

[cedar ember]

I mean that's why video games do it. Because IRL you have the FIBSA factor (fudge I'm being shot at). It's a real thing that very much affects aim.

[eager needle]

@cedar ember has earned the Tier I Member role!

[cedar ember]

Omg finally

After 2000 messages

[clever vessel]

takes so long it's amazing

[rancid hound]

That feels when a 600+ mm APFSDS gets shadowed by a funny 750+ mm HEAT round

daily reminder tanks deal with shaped charges better than APFSDS

"this is casual" Ok then fucking buff AP please it's getting shadowed by a fucking RPG

[desert cove]

Define assymetry in bbr

[earnest ocean]

What he said, inbalanced assets being given not in the same time

[sour swallow]

I'm thinking peak battlebit

[limpid flame]

@golden valley look who clowning again

[golden valley]

Lmaaooo

[opaque lily]

Eagerly awaiting the coxial gun on the APC, I forsee it will change the gameplay a lot.

[desert cove]

It will shave maybe 15% of your deaths

On 64vs64

[cedar ember]

It being one shot will change little

[rancid hound]

no 30% or more

[desert cove]

Eh, disagree.

Some situations when coax would help are so dire that it alone wont help

But coax and proper somke combo would increase survivability by 40% or so

[rancid hound]

you don't know when mfs will c4 you from

coax will save you in case of medics fucking outrun your trash acceleration

which is a LOT

[desert cove]

You may have point here

Tho definitely not 30% still

Coax against C4 is mainly last resort

There are better ways to deal with it

For me C4 deaths are lile 15-25%, because i try to mitigate chances of getting blown up, and if I do, mostly because i fucked up. 64vs64 of course

I don't touch this shitty 254 anymore, even with a stick

[clever vessel]

Since almost everything that isn’t 254 is dead on JP i’ve resigned to using APCs as 10-15 kills over five minutes before i bail on it when the c4s start flying

Coax would def extend that time so i’m all for it, irregardless of its effectiveness

[hasty kettle]

Make tank gunner not weak

[desert cove]

5 min is a lot on 254 lol

I am fucking suprised that there is such disparity

Between 64v64 and 127v127

[clever vessel]

it's because of the blobs

the blobs scale faster than the player count because of how it's determined by the ease of squad spawning + safety

so the aggressiveness and the mobs become much larger proportionate to the total players

[wide relic]

Honestly it’s what I thought would happen wit that many people

[rancid hound]

devs on how to fix tank: add it to a fucking urban map for it to camp or get squashed by engis in 5 minutes

[desert cove]

2 minutes, take it or leave it

[rancid hound]

true

[desert cove]

The longest i survived on urban map is about two

Lenovo not included because it's mix

And you can make it work if you are dedicated enough

Or mad

It's basically the same

[wide relic]

Just means destroy walls then move in lol

An not soloing like every other idiot

[desert cove]

Good luck

Send a vid when you pull of respectable score on Frugis or Salhan

[rancid hound]

ye no the commie blocks take forever to destroy and they never stand alone

always 4-5 in a batch

[desert cove]

Guys, after 10k+ messeges, that's the changes to vehicles we've got
#dev-wip message

[cedar ember]

Very wow

[desert cove]

It will solve all the problems, definitely

[past widget]

AND anti-vehicle grenades!

[rancid hound]

conclusion: my ass hurts

thanks for noticing Oki

[limpid flame]

All praise the lord

[cedar ember]

Yep, they nerfed vehicles again by making anti vehicle grenades explode on impact with the vehicle

[supple mauve]

It's fine, no one uses anti vehicle grenades anyway (why would you?)

[crude anvil]

To kill vehicles

[supple mauve]

What's the point when you can just use C4 or switch to engineer if one is really bothering you?

[crude anvil]

It goes further. It’s also a whole other slot so you can have those plus a trophy/rpg if you’re an engineer.

[desert cove]

Now they will, becouse it's free dmg with how easy to use

[cedar ember]

I have seen more than a few requests to up the damage of the anti vehicle grenades to that of the c4 lol

[torpid elk]

Fucking jesus NO!

You can like throw grenades the entire length of waki bridge, that would be horrifying giving them c4 damage

[cedar ember]

I really think they view vehicles as XP pinatas

[onyx swan]

but the thing with the nades is you can react to them unlike c4 where you go boom instantly

[desert cove]

LMAO no

C4 dmg is too big

[winged adder]

I could see it - IF c4 was basically removed as it is now and replaced by eg a satchel charge + breaching charge

Only engies would get them, and losing frags is actually a decent tradeoff

[desert cove]

Guys, vehicles physics are bad, or Maps are badly designed for vehicles? Or both?

[spare mantle]

Yes

[desert cove]

Which one man

@rancid hound come here man

[winged adder]

And vehicle visibility is bad

[limpid flame]

the day i'll die to an anti vehicle nade i uninstall the game

this shit is literally never used

[winged adder]

• Engineers now will able to repair 98% of the damages instead of 50% - 75%.

Let's goo

[spare mantle]

The repair rate is still stupid slow, but this'll help with having to go back to base all the time

[desert cove]

Today we've got TWO POSITIVE changes to vehicles since EVER

This is glorious day

[spare mantle]

Spider tank when

[crude anvil]

It's about to be Joever for little bird enjoyers #battlebit-eng message

[desert cove]

Yea

And No

Time will tell

[clever vessel]

hey if it's just a flak gun

don't think it'll be too bad

[crude anvil]

Cannot wait to play bbr like it's hell let loose and spend all game bullying pilots

[spare mantle]

I think it'll be horrid unless the helis can fight back

[winged adder]

suggestion, make .50s faster bullets, have more ammo, and deal more light vehicle damage

possibly put some .50s pointing at the middle in a/f

[crude anvil]

they already can, they do light vehicle damage as well as having guns on them.

[spare mantle]

Suggestion, make all humvee type vehicle turrets the in the car kind so I don't get murdered plz.

I don't know what the AA will be considered @crude anvil. They're more like an APC or BTR in battlefield. Can the heli guns damage those in this game? Never bothered trying to mess with them yet

[crude anvil]

I don't believe the helicopter guns can damage any of the "armored" vehicles in the game, that being apcs and tanks.

[spare mantle]

AA would be apart of that class I think then

[past widget]

They better be able to aim straight up so that littlebirds can't just strafe out of their FOV and kill them like they can with the new boat

[crude anvil]

really depends what kind of aa it is, we don't even know if it'll be a vehicle or not.

[spare mantle]

It's a hillbilly named Jim with a tinfoil hat spitting mad lyrics with his banjo at the helis.

[crude anvil]

Really big magnet with a mine on the end to pull them down to get blown up

[spare mantle]

Lmao. Jim and his big magnet for AA

I fully support this idea

[limpid flame]

Even if AA comes, it will only affect lower skill heli pilots more than top 1%

Rip blackhawks

[past widget]

AA vehicles will just get C4'd instantly, probably

[spare mantle]

I don't think that's true really. Having a decent AA person changes how you have to fly entirely a lot of the time. Can't make strafing runs anywhere near the AA, you'll get peppered by guns and the AA. But the time you start rolling back to spawn you'll probs be almost dead if it's at all similar to BF4

And yea, they'll probably just sit in spawn lol

I fully support a stationary AA in spawn that can be player piloted. That would probably not affect much

Weird suggestion that stemmed from the sniper feedback chat somehow

Sledgehammers being able to damage vehicles?

[desert cove]

Just like in any BF

If pilot is bad/mid, AA will take care of it, if the pilot is good, gg to your team

[spare mantle]

Honestly, if the pilot is good he can be limited pretty well by a good AA. It's a back and forth

[desert cove]

I am palying BF2042 recentyl, and I struggle with good pilots

It's 50/50 if I kill a guy when I see him or if I get blown up super fast and guy is uncontested for a whole match

[spare mantle]

Honestly talking more from the bf4 perspective. Bf2042 I just didn't play for obvious reasons

So not sure how it was changed since then

[desert cove]

BF4 attack chopper is the same

Meet a good pilot and gg for you

[spare mantle]

I mean, not really?

Kind of depends

Well the attack heli can defo get away with murdering the AA, it's got the gunner. I'm speaking about the little bird specifically

[limpid flame]

You can just dodge the area entirely, use terrain, use movement to dodge it

many other ways

[torpid elk]

Depends on the velocity. Proximity fuses can also help AA a lot.

The biggest issue with trying to target air using small arms is how fast they move combined with the velocity of guns meaning unless they are like directly on top of you you will need to lead stupid far

[rancid hound]

?

[rancid hound]

both, but maps hurt more

#dev-wip message idk sounds awesome and painful at the same time

now mfs will steal your tank faster or you'll get your tank faster

[vague flint]

3 people with stingers working together could lock ah inside it's own spawn.
competent LAV could lock out half of any maps airspace by itself

[vague flint]

honestly just want the the bfv system where you can self heal the tank from inside (to a limit) but it can be interrupted and you have to be stationary. was the perfect vehicle theft protection system

[desert cove]

Even 3 people could be clapped by heli, you lock on, heli use ecm, now heli is coming for your ass

[desert cove]

Right, I didn't seen that yet

[clever vessel]

finally getting to play old oil dunes has led me to the conclusion that the conquest maps seriously, seriously need to be rescaled

like using all of the dead space on them and adding more vechs on both sides

and yes that does mean apcs/tanks

[shut crescent]

god old oil is so fun

with all the tanks

tank on tank combat is actually something that happens and people push with them

[clever vessel]

frfr

[rancid hound]

old oil 📈 📈 📈

[warm abyss]

a idea

a armor repair (both infantry armor & vehicle armor) station that can be constructed around friendly capture points

[thorny mason]

thats a pretty solid idea

[warm abyss]

for fun could also make it explode when destroyed by gun fire/explosives/etc

aka anything but manually breaking it down with the deconstruct button

[opaque trench]

Medics are still too much of a threat to vehicles. Every medic carries C4 and with how fast they are it’s very hard to stop them before they close the distance to your vehicle. I could see many solutions, but nerfing the amount of points they get didn’t stop this. Medics should not be a major threat to vehicles.

[rich spruce]

Everyone else is the same but marginally worse

[hasty kettle]

Make F3 gunner not suck eggs

[desert cove]

It would work on 32vs32, like in bf2042

But for fuck sake, 127vs127 changes A LOT of things

[hollow terrace]

Is it just me or shouldn't literally every vehicles besides the tanks make way more noise from way farther?
Tanks are in a good spot, but everything else can literally sneak up on you at max speed.

[warm abyss]

suggestion for the spotter seat on tanks, add a black tint background behind the range finder (Sometimes it is near impossible to give a range)

[graceful void]

prob yes, but tbh it's the least of the issues with vehicles

and the soundscape in general in this game is ass

[desert cove]

Tanks are too fucking loud, my ears literally hurt unless I lower volume when playing them

Everything else in this game is fucking fine, just not tanks

[limpid flame]

Dont be happy

Doesnt really change much

[crude anvil]

It’s a start

[limpid flame]

Trust me there are other ways of flying that will enable me get high kill games

[crude anvil]

Yeah, but this is still better than before.

[spare mantle]

Doing barrel rolls was more for style points I thought personally

[crude anvil]

Nah it made the helicopter move in funny ways that made it way harder to track

[limpid flame]

Still, more of a movement for evading than getting kills

Wont change much trust me :))

[crude anvil]

Yeah, more nerfs for the little bird are still needed.

[desert cove]

Yes, only part

[limpid flame]

Oh yes definitely

[desert cove]

There is much more guys there

[sour swallow]

Bros… I’m thinking we are so back

[desert cove]

Oh man, bringing reddit here to prove no point

I genuinely stand with what i wrote, his balancing proposition was fucking stupid

[sour swallow]

I’m just sick of the nerfs

[desert cove]

Kinds low tbh

[crude anvil]

Nooooo it’s a skill gap noooooo I’m just so much better than everyone else thats why I go 200-1 and nobody other than pilots ever does, it’s balanced you guys don’t understand

I do this every time I see a helicopter irl

[sour swallow]

I’m proud to be the Co-founder

[queen light]

Lol

[crude anvil]

https://tenor.com/view/lebron-james-los-angeles-lakers-look-up-what-is-that-nba-gif-16045196

[crude anvil]

More like this actually

[queen light]

Impersonations have started, BEGUN IT HAS

[sour swallow]

Yes it’s feeling pretty good man

We are going crazy

They hating on us because we game to hard

[crude anvil]

Game to hard what?

[queen light]

Daddy Grote would approve this

[desert cove]

Well, it IS skill gap. Is it balanced tho? Propably not

[queen light]

Oh balancing needs work 100%

[desert cove]

Daddy Grote lol

[sour swallow]

You just sound bad

[queen light]

I don’t understand why the LB has armored glass, like thats thing has no armor in rl

[desert cove]

He certanly sounds like one

[desert cove]

Explain?

[queen light]

Theres a reason we offer phonesex with him, you only have to pay us 5k

[desert cove]

You can't deny that LB does a lot of skill to achive such scores. But you can argue that it is unbalanced with it's skill celling

[sour swallow]

I understand that you are probably what, 40-45 years old?

[desert cove]

Lol noooo

I am not native speaker

[sour swallow]

You need to understand I’m 16 with ADHD, I’m simply unstoppable when I’m off my meds

[desert cove]

And all my englis education was by the book

[sour swallow]

The LB is balanced, we are simply cracked

[queen light]

Reverse doping

[desert cove]

Ok kiddo

[queen light]

We consume crack, yes

[crude anvil]

Which meds?

[onyx swan]

i mean ppl cant learn if they get shot the sec they leave the save area

[limpid flame]

@sour swallow i have never seen a bigger clown

ever

[sour swallow]

This isn’t even my final form!

[limpid flame]

borderline impersonation because your low skill clan cant deal with a vehicle

crazy

[rich spruce]

https://tenor.com/view/smurfs-naughty-evil-smurf-turning-evil-smurfette-gif-26235477

[queen light]

Calm down Rev0

Let people have their fun since they cant have it ingame xD

[sour swallow]

Talk to me when you have a higher KD than me kids (1.2)

[queen light]

https://tenor.com/view/noooo-no-no-emote-emote-nooo-emote-gif-23071619

[storm shell]

I heard there were tantrums in here

[desert cove]

Yeah, since this thread was made

And even earlier simmilar ones in other threads

[storm shell]

oh its okay man baldurs gate wsa released every week for the past 2 months

[torpid elk]

I uhhhh... i dont think this is the own you think it is

[desert cove]

I think he is delusional, or bad troll, or just not as funny as he thiks he is

I bet on the last one

[clever vessel]

Last two, tbh

Also shouldn’t this ass clown be on a ban by now all he does is troll

[hasty kettle]

zased

[limpid flame]

Mods dont even know their own rules so it will stay this way

[cedar ember]

My KD is like 2.98 😮

[torpid elk]

My kd probably would be so much higher if i didnt spend the first month nearly exclusively using self-c4

[clever vessel]

1.5 despite myself lolol

[limpid flame]

fun drama

BBR without drama is boring

[golden estuary]

The septic tank where flunkies of war thunder, arma and dcs end up.

[strange galleon]

.

[limpid flame]

IM having fun ngl, reddit was never this alive

[sour swallow]

You’ll get there one day

@queen light we about to go crazy on Saturday

The casuals won’t know what hit them

[queen light]

Trolling aside I have no fucking clue why Grote decided that would be a good ida

[sour swallow]

BECAUSE THEY HATING ON US MAN

[queen light]

Yeah that's almost literally the excuse I got

"Why should we care" and so on

[sour swallow]

Could this whole thing get any better?

All I’m saying is we about to own CHOPPA and the casuals on Saturday

[torpid elk]

Sure buddy, whatever you say dude

[sour swallow]

DO NOT QUEUE ON SATURDAY PEANUT

I WON’T BE RESPONSIBLE FOR WHAT HAPPENS TO YOUR STATS

[limpid flame]

Ngl this guy sometimes is funny

[torpid elk]

Fly ace is hillarious honestly

[golden estuary]

Bragging about being good at flying when the LB handles better than a quadcopter drone.

[limpid flame]

Guys dont ruin feedback channel with irrelevant talk 🤓

[sour swallow]

I bring the content in vehicle feedback

[limpid flame]

Real

[golden estuary]

Nice nsfw image there bud

[torpid elk]

Nah its relevant, scroteglon or whatever was consta tly in here saying "skill issue" and running disinfo for his and his clan's fsvorite toy

[golden estuary]

Wonder why is it that the ones get muted here the most are LB pilots.

[sour swallow]

It’s all just a bit of fun guys

[golden estuary]

Mfers haven't even experienced how to auto rotate. 😂

[torpid elk]

Rotormouths

[limpid flame]

Bro is a mastermind

Ngl

[wheat tiger]

I'm kind of out of the loop, what's happening ?

[golden estuary]

Imagine acting like a clown and then going "oh I was just acting". No, it doesn't change the fact that you were a clown.

[torpid elk]

Scrotumglon is gone

[sour swallow]

Don’t be a hater man

[wheat tiger]

Who ?

[torpid elk]

Member of feedback team who is now literally not here

#1138533470348525699 message

[wheat tiger]

I've seen that there's quite the ruckus on Reddit

[limpid flame]

Blud has IRL, plus why would he give a single fuck, his input into games balance was already big enough

He Got kicked so he doesnt have to bother about some stupid game balance

[golden estuary]

For someone who doesn't have to bother, they sure bother a lot

[torpid elk]

Anyways, glots contribution to feedback was zilch. Loved to assert that every idea to nerf lb is bad and they are perfectly balanced and ignore every argument against his position and instead play semantic games to redefine shit to his liking

[limpid flame]

What do you expect from a guy that spent literal night, hours in meetings, devoting his life for better gameplay of the filthy casuals

[golden estuary]

PR gang spin spin the story

Y'all mfers got premium chatgpt? It might help

[torpid elk]

You do fucking realize he hinself has tried to argue the game is NOT casual nor for casuals?

[limpid flame]

How much of the story do you know compared to me is crazy And I dont think I can explain to you simply cause you have insufficient knowledge

[golden estuary]

has tried to argue the game is NOT casual nor for casuals?
And yet "REEEEEEEEEEEEE MY LB SHOULD HANDLE LIKE A UFO"

Lmao

[limpid flame]

Just because he doesnt want it to be casual doesnt mean it will be how he wants

[torpid elk]

#1138533470348525699 message

[limpid flame]

Feedback team is 20ish guys outvoting eachother

One guy doesnt make a change And confirms it

[wheat tiger]

Ah yes the good ol "The mechanic I abuse doesn't do much, yet I will get upset if it gets nerfed"

[torpid elk]

#1138533470348525699 message

[golden estuary]

Vector, lean spam, LB experience

[limpid flame]

You have @desert cove here And he himself would be one of people with or against his ideas

Tf u mean

[torpid elk]

Lb pilots have disturbingly short memories

[wheat tiger]

Yeah, It's all just the same cognitive dissonance

100-0 should be an exception, not the rule :/

[limpid flame]

Why talk

Lb getting nerfed literally today

Watch how it will evolve the gameplay And then come back And complain or dont

Bruj

[rich spruce]

Not convinced it will be a nerf

[golden estuary]

It's a minor nerf

[limpid flame]

Trust me it is a literal nerf targeted for the 1%

[torpid elk]

Contemplating the consequences of balance is an important part of feedback ya goober. You are all "you dont know anything about the movie, why are you preparing questions for the movie to answer like 'who is the main character? What are their motivations? What is the plot?' for your eventual review?"

[golden estuary]

Heavy emphasis on the minor

[limpid flame]

Knowing oki it will feel like blackhawk, you cant roll it upside down without losing all the height

Or crashing

[golden estuary]

Mfers need to take a class in identifying conflict of interest. I'm sure there's some free HR courses out there

If only the LB had even a third of the BH's weight

[limpid flame]

No cause all you do is yap a lot about something that has not been cleared out YET. It might be so harsh that everyone will feel it, it might be so weak that you guys will have all the rights to keep crying

[wheat tiger]

Still thinking there needs to be some kind of dedicated infantry AA response to LB, not to completely invalidate the LB but to have some form of counter play without relying on people having AUGs, which is more of an improvised "trying to do my best to shoo the LB away" thing

[torpid elk]

I fucking swear, the complete incompetence when it comes to handling public relations and identifying and resolving conflicts of interest is staggering for so many projects and groups.

any of yall every heard of cataclysm dark days ahead? I see similarities in grotglun's behavior and lead devs in cdda.

[limpid flame]

Lets Say the idea of AA is fitting but then blackhawks would need a buff to not be tailrotored or destroyed by it immediately

Always keep in mind transports when thinking about LB nerfs, think of the fun factor And balance for core vehicular gameplay

[wheat tiger]

Just tossing the idea there, I'm no balance expert nor game designer, I'm trying just to give my imput. It's a feedback thread after all

[golden estuary]

I'm against dedicated AA, that affects the average pilot the most. What you need is to nerf what experienced LB pilots rely on the most, aka the over-agility, and over-accurate gunfire.

[limpid flame]

Which is already happening?

Nerfing accuracy would make it easier to kill

[golden estuary]

The latter hasn't yet, and the former is minor in its current state

[wheat tiger]

Maybe some bullet spread ? Maybe less ammo ?

[golden estuary]

Easier to kill experienced pilots, it changes nothing for the average joe who can't capitalise on the accuracy in the first place

[limpid flame]

It will make it easier for every level of pilots

[torpid elk]

Funny thing... hitscan AA would be equally capable of hitting good and bad pilots due to the lack of travel time.

imo, what we need is extremely high velocity AA and that will actually effect all skill levels about equally

[limpid flame]

The spread will incentivise spamming around the target And not at the target itself

[golden estuary]

So you're saying we need some SAM sites? 😂

[limpid flame]

So while possibly missing some shots it will be easier to kill

[torpid elk]

I want to force lb pilots to perform SEAD, yes.

[golden estuary]

Time to add some stand-off systems from arma 3, fire it in EU server and clap an LB in NA server

[torpid elk]

You know, let lb keep their ufo manueveranility so they can do a flip and dive towards the ground to desperately try and get the missile to collide with it

[golden estuary]

Flying LBs in arma without flares be like

[torpid elk]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Beam

🤔

[golden estuary]

Wow

[torpid elk]

The idea of a laser based AA system to deter helis from excessive loitering over an area is an idea... harsh damage falloff would even make sense considering how the atmosphere effects lasers

[golden estuary]

Good thing ground based defences have all the space needed to power that shit

[torpid elk]

The future is now. We have dirt cheap cardboard suicide drones able to be shoved into the hands of every grunt and high tech laser systems making their way to the field

[golden estuary]

dirt cheap cardboard suicide drones
🇦🇺 👌 😂

[torpid elk]

On one hand, i respect the USA for being willing and able to spend like half a million dollar to shove a high tech missile into thr hands of a grunt...

on the other hand that willingness to spend has blinded us to the economics and effectiveness of shoving millions of cheap cardboard drones into the hands of every grunt

Hell, even in air support things have being shaken up

The future doesnt look like this...

It looks like THIS

Honestly... this plane could be a decent fit in the game thinking on it

[golden estuary]

it'll be the same problem with LB 😂

[torpid elk]

No guns, only bombs

[golden estuary]

SL air support finally 😂

idk, like a 1.5k squad point GBU that SLs call in. AI plane flies in, drops bomb, flies out. If it's not shot down, it refunds 500 squad points 😂

[wheat tiger]

Know that carpet bombing with LB by dropping someone with suicide C4 doesn't work sadly

[golden estuary]

throwing c4 from LBs is a bit funky as well, doesn't help with the magnetism either

[torpid elk]

You can equip gun pods on it... but to balance for battle bit i think forcing it into a bomber role might be a better idea.

For one, its a plane... it cant exactly hover and you can stall and crash if you go too slow at too high angle of attack.

for two, accurately dropping unguided bombs can be pretty hard unless you do a dive bombing run which makes you a lot more exposed as you need to first aplroach your target and then dive in a straight line towards your target from above

[golden estuary]

It can't hover, but like bf3/4... boom and zoom still works plenty oppressively

Since you get to pick when to fight and when to disengage every single fight

[torpid elk]

We can fuck with the climb rates and other flight properties to help with thjs

[golden estuary]

But until LB (and other vehicles) get properly balanced, throwing in a badly balanced plane is just gonna compound the problem

[torpid elk]

Anyways, bombs also means it can be high inpact but infrequent threat that requires time to return to base, land, rearm, and then take off again instead of the current thing where helis just sort of float around a bit and are full ammo

But yea... lets fix lb first

[wheat tiger]

Agreed

[clever vessel]

So

[limpid flame]

Yea

[proud oyster]

When will stinger be added? Or at least an anti air station to each capture zone? Every vehicle in the game is counterable easily .. except for the littlebird. Not a chance to do anything against it and the guy just ends up having 100 kills and 0 deaths in the middle of the game. Ends up being fun for the single guy in the heli and not so funny for the 100 guys. Not a good trade of balance.

[clever vessel]

If ukraine is any indicator, the future is literally dozens of drones carrying three pound explosives

In other words: lb should be replaced with four c4 strapped drones for every recon player

[golden estuary]

dozens, and they're all linked together to coordinate like a swarm 👌

[clever vessel]

Let’s go baby SECRETLY WE WERE DESIGNING THE SEQUEL TO ADVANCED WARFARE ALL ALONG

[torpid elk]

Fuck linked f35 hivemind, cardboard drone hivemind is new best friend

God, fucking imagine that though

[golden estuary]

F35 is the hivelord 😂

[torpid elk]

One drone sees you and sudenly a cloud of drones starts buzzing towards you like seaguls trying to steal your french fries

[golden estuary]

Those cluster munition scattering dispensors on a jet, but they scatter suicide drones instead 😂

[clever vessel]

Also: gun pods would be an incredible idea for a blackhawk customization option

[clever vessel]

LB keeps a weaker minigun that can easily engage blackhawks in the air and we’re all p gucci

[torpid elk]

F35 opens its bomb bay and shits out a few thousand murder babies

[golden estuary]

God bless the MIC

[torpid elk]

🫡

[clever vessel]

Remember kids, the only sin america did in WWII was not dropping the bomb on berlin

(not serious if that wasn’t clear enough)

[torpid elk]

Are they considered cluster munitions if what is clustered are autonomous drones?

[golden estuary]

I guess, a sub category 😂

Amazon Primed

[clever vessel]

Okay for serious though: i hope we’ve got like some programmer we can ask to help because with modded servers we can actually try for these ideas

We can actually find out if they do or don’t work

[golden estuary]

Getting modded servers running is a whole pain in the ass lmao

[torpid elk]

Yea, i cant wait until the community servers grow more mature and we get thr bbr version of x10 tf2 and shit

[golden estuary]

The fact that I have to rent a server, set it up, and then pay fees while I wait for approval

Is just why

Why would I even bother

Especially when I look at the server list and it's like 1 cramped af 254 server, and 5 empty servers

[clever vessel]

Pain

[torpid elk]

Player count has dropped hard... games needs a big blowout update or something to coincide with something crazy like extensive modding support to draw people back in and keep thrn

[clever vessel]

Oh yeah related thing jesus christ the jp servers are gone

They’re all shitty cn community servers with an awful latency problem

Thankfully the game actually is kinda fun at core so we have levelled out with a stable playerbase at least

[golden estuary]

Yeah people doing comm. servers on shit tier hardward and net is just pain

[torpid elk]

Still convinced that playerbase could have been higher if community servers came sooner and had more support

[clever vessel]

Imo it should have been a release thing

[torpid elk]

But whaf sort of things could be part of a huge update meant to revitalize the game? Hardcore mode and all that entails maybe?

[clever vessel]

Honestly i feel like that’d be map reworks, vech customization and a large balance update

[vivid fog]

marketing and word of mouth aswell

[clever vessel]

All of which i think we can agree are large things kinda choking the game to death like the grandma of a cash strapped morally ambiguous teenager

[torpid elk]

I would actually like if hardcore mode had a "scenarios" game mode where instead of it basically just being a free for all with a nominal goal of taking points and draining tickets you instead have like a set of objectives you had to achieve

[clever vessel]

GRAND OPERATIONS IN BATTLEBIT

God i miss operations

[clever vessel]

(Is this bannable? I hope this isn’t)

[torpid elk]

But yea, i would love to play a mode where you can have funky objectives like "secure the area designated on your map for at least 1 minute, destroy the designated building, and baricade the road at the area designated on your map" and the other team has to stop you or maybe they have their own too so its like a race

[clever vessel]

I’d love modes like breakthrough where we really utilize all of the space on these gigantic conquest maps

It’d be genuinely cool (and terrifying) to watch the armored breakthrough come out of the eduardovo trees