Vehicle - Feedback

[desert cove]

Too realistic to be fun

You were implying

[rancid hound]

the entire time I only use the Squad arguments to say how balanced things actually are

if I was implying for realism then I'd ask for APC auto pop after hit by AP LMAO

too bad this is BBR not GHPC

[desert cove]

Good it's not like that

[rancid hound]

yup

[desert cove]

It wouldn't be fun at all

[rancid hound]

even faction balancing in vehicles are fucked up

smaller size but same shit 💀

[acoustic fractal]

Rhib is a joke needs to be looked at

[desert cove]

Why tho?

A small, fast vehicle intended only for transport

Works perfectly, doesn’t need any changes really

[acoustic fractal]

Also a hovercraft would be nice for water maps

[heady jewel]

We have a jet ski, a rhib and an attack boat

[desert cove]

Also APC if you stretch that a little

[storm shell]

There you go folks
https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/166j1ri/a_quick_guide_on_how_to_best_use_the_blackhawk/

thats how you make a bomber
XD

[heady jewel]

Yes

[storm shell]

it is actually hilarious when you get people to do it XD

[alpine sleet]

Don't know if this is the right place for this. But it would be really nice to be able use the helicopters in the test range. Every time I have a chance to get in one I just crash it.

[graceful void]

devs are aware, but it won't be an easy feature to implement

there might be community servers for learning to fly though

so there's that

[desert cove]

We did it

Somehow

9k messeges lol

[wide relic]

Bet 90% of it is daily bitching about lb an fixing the apc getting hit by rpg gives u the spins

[desert cove]

Nah, only LB

[hard palm]

The little bird is just so impossible to kill if the pilot has any neurons firing

fighting this thing is infuriating because it has so much ammo, somehow doesn't accelerate quickly and slam into the ground when inverted, loops as if it's a fully aerobatic contest aircraft, and can run back to base the moment they get a bit scared or take any damage

you need a dozen players on dedicated AA duty with AUGs and Ultimaxes to even have a chance to bring it down

It needs an agility nerf, a hefty ammo count nerf, and some kind of counterplay, maybe something that lets players accurately predict lead? idk

it's so hilariously unbalanced and I have no idea how its persisted for this long

[torpid elk]

Lb players are playing ace combat while everyone else is playing a survival horror game against then

[shut crescent]

ah yes hilariously unbalanced when the top 1% of the player base gets a hold of it, its absolute shit for anybody whose not in that 1%, there are batter ways of nerfing it besides making it worse for everybody besides that 1%.

the changes you suggested wouldnt even do anything to stop the people who use it well, they just sit at max alth and rain down fire at people all game. nerfing the amo count (which i do agree with) wount do anything besides make them rtb somewhat more often.

what they should do is add more spread to the guns( and if possible without too much work) make it so inverted flying isn't possible.

adding more spread to the miniguns ( it allmost seems like theres none at all atm) would even HELP some of the less skilled players

[rich spruce]

Nerfing ammo count doesn’t really make a difference, would just mean they would struggle to take down blackhawks and they’d have to go back to base a little more often
I don’t think it would make them less annoying

[rich spruce]

Yes, that would reduce the ranges the LB could fight at

Forcing everyone to fight at closer ranges would mean the LB will never be invulnerable

[shut crescent]

exactly

besides

why the fuck do its guns have none

and the BH miniguns

cant hit the side of a barn

despite being the same but only 1 gun instead of 2

[rich spruce]

both of them are 2

Blackhawk accuracy buff and LB accuracy nerf would be good though I think

[shut crescent]

bh guns have VERY limited angles where both can fire at the same target

[magic ingot]

Not even top 1%, there are only so many LB in one game many players never had a chance to even get on one

Armed lb also has a longer timer - more than once I see player just sitting at helipad waiting for it basically taking that lb for the whole game

[shut crescent]

and then it gets takes by somebody waiting in the spawn menu

cause you can get into it faster

trust me i know LOL

[rich spruce]

I would honestly say I’m probably top 1% with LB just by merit of having used it frequently
Accuracy nerf wouldn’t bother me as I’m not skilled enough to shoot infantry at long enough ranges for it to matter anyway

[shut crescent]

its normally me waiting for a bh tho

[magic ingot]

It’s faster if you know exactly where and when it spawns and pre-hold F

[shut crescent]

i just enjoy flying

yea

[magic ingot]

I mean on the ground

[shut crescent]

but you need to be exact

[magic ingot]

In menu you need an extra step to click on the lb

[shut crescent]

if you need to run somewhere

you lose

[rich spruce]

You do need to get there before some team mate C4s it for literally no reason

[magic ingot]

Uh, wtf?

[shut crescent]

havnt seen that happen

have had a guy crash a blackhawk after i told him he was flying like shit on the last one

[magic ingot]

Can you even use c4 in safe zone or are you talking about specific cap spawned ones

[rich spruce]

Yeah the ones in capture points

[shut crescent]

he flew like garbage and i tolds him that, then on the next bh that spawned he got in it and crashed it right into the windmill outside the base

straight for it

[rich spruce]

I’ve seen it happen so many times before it’s ridiculous

[magic ingot]

I assume they just want some fast xp lol… (1600 per)

[shut crescent]

i keep telling people if they want to learn how to fly, either to join an inf conq match and use the transport lb or to just use a transport lb whenever they can

[magic ingot]

But that doesn’t apply if the lb is your faction’s

Inf. Conq practically didn’t exist

[rich spruce]

Apparently people often have too few brain cells to notice that

[magic ingot]

I voted for inf. conq every game and never get one

[rich spruce]

I would honestly be surprised if a single official infantry conquest game has ever been played since release

[torpid elk]

Vote system is poorly implemented

Should have done a dice roll based on the proportions of votes, so 50%vote for one map or mode, 40% for another, and 10% for yet another then you end up with somethibg like 50% if the time you get the first option and so forth

[magic ingot]

But pls don’t do that for map vote

Random night map I quit

[torpid elk]

Night vs day should ideally be another vote seperate from map vote i think

[magic ingot]

I’m told there’s bunch of trolls using some external method pumping up alpha making night map look as bright as day

[torpid elk]

Partly because im fucking tired of only ever getting night lonovo and river

[rich spruce]

Most monitors have a setting that does that for you

Some monitors do it by default

[magic ingot]

White balancing yeahhhh no bruh then what’s the point of playing night

Just so you get advantage over those who can only afford basic $100 full hd cheap screen?

[rich spruce]

The only real solution that doesn’t make night meaningless is to make dark enough areas pure blackness, so players can only use light sources or nvg to see regardless of monitor or filters

Some games can do this quite seamlessly, it does of course make night sniping totally impossible for the most part

[magic ingot]

Hell let loose already does that, it’s hilarious the game just hand you alpha pump in game setting then you’ll see fog of war everywhere

Nope, no alpha cheating

[torpid elk]

Its ok, i cant even see the people im shooting at anyways. I rely upon muzzle flash and the little red glowies on helmets

[magic ingot]

practically can’t find campers using silencers

Back on topic: would it be useful if vehicles have some kind of small exp bonus aura promoting infantry escort

[torpid elk]

🤔

[limpid flame]

That is called transportation bonus, already a thing in the game, Just implemented poorly.

[magic ingot]

Does it reward the infantry that get off the vehicle? Akaik only the vehicle driver gets the bonus from infantry spawning from it

[limpid flame]

What

Why would infantry be rewarded for doing nothing

Their asses are being moved, that is it

[magic ingot]

Try read again then you’re missing all the points

[limpid flame]

No, I have all the points And they are basically worthless

[clever vessel]

As in inf around a vehicle for a certain period of time get xp?

[magic ingot]

For a radius rather, think of it like a moving cap point

[magic ingot]

[limpid flame]

It does not make sense for inf to get any exp for being transported

Defending it And being rewarded for it makes no sense aswell, if anything that would incentivize camping vehicles backed up by repairing squads

Transporting with it to a point could be a good way to reward

But the driver

Not the infantry that is being transported

[clever vessel]

honestly my thought is that's already a thing you can do to an extent, and it's mostly covered by the current vehicle hp decay

and hey - if you're bringing three-four people to keep a position alive, i'd honestly say that's fine

besides, i think it's always good to encourage players to stay with vehicles and keep them alive as opposed to zerg off

[cedar ember]

It would be nice if anybody could spawn on a BH without it returning to spawn

So it's more like a moving team spawn

[clever vessel]

Been saying this constantly, jeez, that would be great for both apcs and BHs

[sour swallow]

https://www.reddit.com/r/BattleBitRemastered/comments/166q9ty/want_to_report_for_unsportsmanlike_behaviour_of/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf&utm_content=1&utm_term=15

Average Littlebird clan

Definitely up there with the funniest shit I’ve seen on the Reddit

Can we just nerf Littlebird so these guys write full on books about why it’s a bad change

[clever vessel]

This isn’t even feedback, this is just trashing on other people you don’t like

[limpid flame]

it's the troll guy

[sour swallow]

Are you part of the clan above

[desert cove]

That's basically XP for nothing. Passive income of it. Oki isn't fan of it.

[rancid hound]

Don't tell mom I'm in Lonovo

shit's a tanker's nightmare

[golden estuary]

what a piece of shit lmao

Cringe clanners trying so fucking hard, even have to chatGPT a non-apology

[earnest ocean]

Its fast enough so you can die on it

Rhib and jetski speeds are jokes after they been changed

Because oki removed a very realistic way how physics worked

[golden estuary]

My suggestions for captured vehicles (that spawned in their faction territory, i.e. tanks/apcs/heli/rcb90:

• Preventing rearming
• No base repair OR can only repair up to grey health (like repair tool)
• HP ticks down if it stays in your faction's territory for too long

So teams don't get gimped for an entire round when chucklefucks give vehicles away to the enemy team

But you still get to squeeze some value/usage out of captured vehicles

[earnest ocean]

Sound like a nice idea

[desert cove]

Sounds like a bad idea

[golden estuary]

Perfectly balanced feedback 😂

[desert cove]

Your team managed to get free tank? Oh well, here you have a castrated version of it

[golden estuary]

RP-verse, russians trying to repair an american tank

Your team managed to lose a tank because someone drove it and gave it to the enemy team at the start of the round? No tank for you the entire game 😂

[desert cove]

Getting first to a point to get a tank should be rewarded, by a proper asset, not something that works like a simgle use mario cart style power up

[desert cove]

That's a griefing if made intentionally then

If by mistake, oh well, this does suck, but what can you do about it?

Ban someone from using vehicles?

W8

This sounds good tbh

[clever vessel]

ok i'm not gonna lie: i feel like unless something extraordinary/extraordinarily fucking stupid happens we shouldn't be in a situation where it's easy to evac out a captured tank

so punishing the guys who pulled off the capture shouldn't be punished

well they're not punished per se they've already denied the enemy team a tank

but i don't think it's worth such a specific nerf? haven't seen many vehicle captures in general anyways, instead i've seen teammates/enemies destroy abandoned enemy vehicles no matter what

[golden estuary]

Above in the thread is someone who flew a heli into enemy spawn at game start and swapping sides.

[clever vessel]

yeah but like... that's just griefing, that's a thing report's designed for

[golden estuary]

And I've captured an enemy tank at round start and held on to it for the whole round. Wasn't fun for them.

[clever vessel]

people like that will always find new ways to fuck over other people

[golden estuary]

And I don't think it's fair to be denied for the entire round

[golden estuary]

Yeah. The thing with reporting is that it's already happened. Prevention is better.

[clever vessel]

honestly i can kinda see that

[desert cove]

That's literally thier team problem

[clever vessel]

prevention for such a case is like... preventing murders by knives by banning people from buying kitchen knives without a license check tbh

[desert cove]

They should focus you if they feel inconvenienced with that

It's super easy to kill tanks, unless you are in a tank loool

[golden estuary]

Nah I just stayed in spawn zone lmao

[desert cove]

So you were useless

Unable to shoot even

Gj

[clever vessel]

yeah i was gonna say that is one thing i wld agree with, the captured tank shouldn't be able to enter friendly zone

[golden estuary]

Nah, I got a ton of kills sniping with it.

[clever vessel]

well they were denying the enemy a full tank

[golden estuary]

Sandy sunset 😂

[clever vessel]

even if they didn't kill a single person that alone would be pretty goddamn good

[golden estuary]

Vehicles are fair and balanced 😂

[desert cove]

So you werent in spawn zone

Unless it's salhan or azagor

[clever vessel]

(god devs hire another map dev the maps severely need checking and fixing)

[golden estuary]

Well friendly territory, so it's not like it was easy for them to retake their tank.

[desert cove]

Still possible to destroy it

[golden estuary]

Absolute rat but like falls on the devs to fix their shit.

[clever vessel]

wait where the heck on sandy can you do that, i thought both spawns are low ass ground

[desert cove]

Fun fact: you can use gadgets in enemy zone

[desert cove]

They are

[clever vessel]

oh wait i guess you can kinda use the entrance from us friendly zone to fire at b because of how it's designed

[desert cove]

There is one point when you can snioe the first hill point from RU sied, but you sit somewhere outside spanw protection zone. Near, but not inside

[golden estuary]

Yeah I've used c4 drones to kill tanks in territory

But sandy 😂 you can spot drones from miles away

[clever vessel]

tbh you can spot the c4 drones from miles away on every map except frugis and namak

and you've got bigger problems on frugis and namak lmfao

[frosty monolith]

tanks and apcs are too easy to kill, especialy with rpgs and c4s, like it takes ages to kill a tank with a tank but with c4 it takes like 2 seconds

vehicles are overall too weak and should be buffed

[clever vessel]

You’ll find no shortage of agreement here

[desert cove]

Yeah, that's like 50% of this thread

The rest is people whining about LB being too OP

Because they need to whine about something, after Vector was nerfed

[earnest ocean]

The chance to get banned for open griefing is very small.

[golden estuary]

yeah, how many players are gonna notice that one of their tanks and heli got traded away 😂

[cedar ember]

We should treat captured vehicles NO differently than team vehicles

But... I think if a pilot or driver dies in a vehicle while out of bounds or in enemy territory, the vehicle should explode.

[desert cove]

Unfortunately, mods don't care it seems

[earnest ocean]

They can spectate people if they wanted to, but its rather the fact that they are told to ignore griefing reports.

[limpid flame]

holy fuck im reading this and im geting brain damage\

[rancid hound]

are we still arguing about safe zone

[clever vessel]

not worth arguing at all

[limpid flame]

James is the guy that was trolling vehicle feedback channel couple days ago with his 244hz clan apes, mods sleeping as always, just ignore him.
That whole post about some random from CHOPPA(inferior pilot clan, lowkey nobody cares about them) is so dumb cause he is just griefing at this point, even if the team that lost the heli is at a loss, it doesnt even matter, just report and move on.
@golden estuary you brought the most white knight idea ever, cmon wtf
Even in Battlefield days, there were instances of people losing vehicles/trading them away to friends, if on purpose you just report the person and move on, if they managed to lost it, thats rare, cause 99% of the time vehicles died. So captured vehicles are meant to feel like a trophy, you WANT to use them as long as you can, thats a price for the dumb mistake of losing it.

and im sure you were useful with that stolen tank at the safe zone border camping

another 24 kills in 10 minutes game?

xd

[sour swallow]

That’s not me you’ve got the wrong guy

[limpid flame]

of course, there isnly you and preva clowning entire feedback chat

shut up bigman

[sour swallow]

@golden estuary I thought your idea was epic man +1 for your idea

[storm shell]

if we really dont' want to give infantry a realistic counter to little birds then just scale back their ammo to like 1000 rnds so they can terrorize a team for like 30 seconds then go back to reload instead of float around vaporizing a person every 2-5 seconds for the entire match

[desert cove]

Yeah, not bad idea

Even as I think nerfing LB is pointless, LB have extremely good sustain

[crude anvil]

Or give the little bird damage falloff or spread or something so the pilot needs to be closer.

[desert cove]

Like, 15s RTB on all maps

Amd fast ressuply

It definitely could be make longer

[storm shell]

The thing with the LB, is flying like an asshole that can't be hit isn't really that hard, and you can just drunkely piss ammo while doing it with no downside, forever. the better pilots are just better at keeping the gun on target, the worse ones focus on lining up targets instead of being unhittable

[crude anvil]

Little bird has way too much reward with extremely little risk.

[storm shell]

people seem to dislike the idea of bumping velocity on a few guns like the 249 so they can shoot it reliably as it sits out there at 200+m pissing on you, so the other step is cutting down the chaingun so that you just can't be obnoxious for 30 minutes solid

you could go the other way and just not let pilots bandage to force them to land and heal but that would cause a lot of autistic screeching, lol
end goal is the same though, you shoot back or it runs out of ammo then has to F off for a minute or two to give you a breather rather than racking up 200-250 kills a game

[sour swallow]

THIS IS THE IDEA OF A LIFETIME

Actually perfect

[storm shell]

the fact that the medic pilot just spams 20 bandages on himself and makes him functionally immortal is a big part of why you cant chase the fucking things away

[golden estuary]

the bandage 40hp heal doesn't help either lol

[sour swallow]

Very true

[storm shell]

thats why, you need to score the kill on the guy in about 1.5-2 seconds before he's healed to full while he's traveling at 60mph in 3 axis's 100+m from you, and shooting back while bandaging
Its a tall task

pilots are double binding their preferred strafe direction to bandage so they just bandage with zero cost

funny part to me, as a support main, if you gave supports the damage reduction of that windshield + the chaingun they would be the most OP thing imaginable even without being able to 3 axis fly at 60+mph :p

[sour swallow]

I’m glad you are here GodForge you are a good addition to the Feedback section

[storm shell]

its really not a big deal, I'm just like the only person that doesn't get emotionally invested in roblox battlefield , lol

the issues as I see them is mostly the community streamlining gameplay so it becomes samey and boring or frustrating to a majority of the players, and the balance changes to shake that up come waaaay too slow.

[sour swallow]

A lot of people take it very seriously

[storm shell]

and the weird part is, those people are pretty invariably, fucking bad

like me go to gun, the ultimax was just super buffed, possibly overtuned, Ive been like top 4-5 with it since I started using it, it was already awesome people were just using it like an smg

I dont think I'm super good at these games but these dudes saying xyz is unplayable and i'm out here kicking ass with it >.> I dont get it

[sour swallow]

I watched Mr Wongs video on the Ultimax and bottom line is with every gun you just play to it’s strengths.

Good players will always do well regardless of the gun anyway

[clever vessel]

to be honest, i'm for this if only because there's something morbidly amusing about a 1% top heli pilot getting murdered because he bled to death before he could land

[storm shell]

I am really tenative to call myself a good player in a twitch shooter when i'm 2-3 times the age of the playerbase lol

[magic ingot]

I wonder where 1% come from

[storm shell]

I dont do too much worse than these kids hopped up on adderall posting clips on reddit, I know that video had 20 deaths without a shot fired before and afterwards XD

[clever vessel]

why the clown it'd just be painfully unfortunate

man going on a 15 kill strafe and some bugger nicks him in the arm and he bleeds before he can land

[sour swallow]

It’s perfect

[crude anvil]

As it should be

[sour swallow]

Good way of slowing them down

[crude anvil]

Don’t want to bleed to death? Just land smh

[storm shell]

dude
I am certain that like 25%+ of my ultamax kills are because when I'm laying a rope through a doorway I know people are behind, they get bored in the first 2-3 seconds and lean into the bullets
XD

[golden estuary]

the rate of fire, waiting out the 100 rounds 😂

[magic ingot]

wow auto mod

[sour swallow]

It’s hard to stop the players from CHOPPR they are really good, best flying clan in the game. So that change would be welcome

[clever vessel]

we stan our fellow lmg players o7

[storm shell]

EXACTLY

and the rate of the fire on the ulta is deliciously low

If I still had my old Tribes flight prediction skills I would be smoking choppers with it I'm sure, lol

[clever vessel]

this is also exactly how i get like 80% of my l86 kills, i just kinda set up a choke outside a point and watch them relentlessly walk in like they forgot i was firing for some reason

it's a consequence of the fact this game encourages everyone to act like they're on coke, but it's a fun consequence i guess

[golden estuary]

Yeah BBR rewards hyperaggresiveness over tactical gameplay

[desert cove]

Maybe from the fact that you are more propable to meet competent APC player than LB pilot

They are rare as fuck

Or were, before game dropped in player base few times

So now there may look like there is much more of them

[clever vessel]

well, proportionally i guess there are

[desert cove]

But when peaks were 40k, no one was concrened

[clever vessel]

yeah when the game had the runaway playerbase of a month ago this stuff wasn't that obvious because the optimization hadn't optimized the casual players out of it

[golden estuary]

because there's more randos competing for vehicle slots too

[storm shell]

its sort of self fulfilling now
if you're trying to learn how to chopper you get reported because there is only one and many games are decided by that chopper

[desert cove]

Yeah, the current "LB problem" is a problem, because those good pilots stayed, when most players went away

So now you meet them more often than you should

[clever vessel]

i think the one saving grace is that i haven't yet heard open mic screaming yet in this game

but also no one ever talks on jp server

[storm shell]

oh

everyone tries to blow your eardrums during pregame countdown in usa

[crude anvil]

It doesn’t really matter if you meet them often or not. It’s still absurdly overpowered even if you don’t see it too often.

[storm shell]

its wild to me that in modern times we still dont use compression or noise reduction in freaking voice chat

[clever vessel]

oh on jp we see a few doing the usual scream but it's always the finding nemo pelicans

occasional fortunate son on heli

[storm shell]

I play the startship troopers planetary attack theme during the initial rush XD

[clever vessel]

you are an actual king

i just start off the rush with DEATH TO THE MPLA for the remaining BO2 bois out there

[storm shell]

lol

unfortunately Ive been playing tarkov lately, but my usual strategy of playing in 3rd world country servers to avoid cheaters hasn't worked this time, its too widespread so i'll be back to BBR soon

[clever vessel]

i got back on cod since the game's retreated to its devoted playerbase and it's quite chill when i'm playing slowly

if only their devs weren't saddled with the infinite pain of never getting good qa/testing + heavy content scheduling

[limpid flame]

This is good And bad

Good as in, im very much ok with it, bad because it takes around 1k bullets to kill blackhawk(unless you kill the crew) And 1k-ish bullets to kill the boat APC, 600 for a gastiger, 500ish for humvee

Either 1.5k or make an actual vehicle fighting, attack helicopter, so the littlebird is clearly defined as an INFANTRY PRESSURING VEHICLE

[storm shell]

"I cant solo it" is how everyone else feels right now

they can deal with it

[limpid flame]

But you are not meant to solo vehicles

It's what lead to tanks being pussies staying far away

This is why IFVs are papermarche when they go somewhere, And most of them run away or some junky spots

This is where the bitching about camping vehicles comes from

The overabundance of tandems, And even more C4 cause everyone is running it

[storm shell]

I'm having difficulty quantifying your complaint that you dont have the ammo to solo vehicles followed by "but you are not meant to solo vehicles"

[limpid flame]

Vehicles have 3-5 minute respawn time but can be killed instantly like any infantry player which respawns at max 10 seconds

Yes cause what is the point of a vehicle that Goes out to take one target And has to come back to refil

Thats like giving a sniper one mag And forcing him to ask for ammo

Not even mentioning how actually easy it is to kill LBs, be it from infantry or any other vehicle, people finally started to learn how to deal with us And it's considerably harder now to fly

We Just die to random shit

And IM not complaining about that cause I was the one teaching people

That is good

But most people seem to think LBs are an undestroyable thing

While it's not

[storm shell]

ok

how often are you breaking 150 kills

[limpid flame]

2 weeks ago that was daily

Now after people learned, once a day

[storm shell]

people learned what

[limpid flame]

HOW TO DEAL WITH LBS

[storm shell]

which is?

[golden estuary]

Get server to mass report so they get kicked 😂

[limpid flame]

Sniping out pilots, hitting HEAT RPGs, actually using IFV to tailrotor, shooting us with firearms on sight

[storm shell]

dude seems incapable of speaking in complete thoughts

[limpid flame]

The best heli pilot in the game in recent two weeks has not even reached his 200 kill game

Which was a Daily occurence to him multiple Times a day

[storm shell]

okay, they just need to hit it with an rpg, got it

lol

[golden estuary]

Hitting RPGs like it's a common thing

[storm shell]

tbh if they made the frag rpg like really fast and dangerous it could be a more common thing

a lot less damage but much easier to hit with

[limpid flame]

The guys that kill us decided to get better

[storm shell]

or, more likely, the casuals leaving the game by the thousand are no longer incapable of hitting them so you're dealing with an increasingly better playerbase

[golden estuary]

How about LB pilots get better instead of relying on the machine. Off with ya UFO training wheels.

[storm shell]

no, only other people can get better , he's the best

glass ceiling an all

[limpid flame]

There can only be so much a heli pilot can do if 127 players start shooting you on sight cause they hate yoi

Infantry scrubs run the same braincell

Thank god oki doesnt even listen to feedback channels

[golden estuary]

Yeye ass run away at the speed of sound when tagged healing 40hp with bandage while flying upside down sideways.

[limpid flame]

You guys have a place to rant And be babies

[golden estuary]

Idk the baby wants to keep their toy

[limpid flame]

Are you dumb or something, I lowkey gave so many ideas on how to nerf LB in balanced ways so it's both good for pilots And infantry

[storm shell]

lets do your favorite: TTK math

1/4 of the players on a team are in one area so they can shoot at you
of the 32ish playesr, how many shots does each smg need to land to destroy that LB?

[limpid flame]

I dont care if this shit gets nerfed

IM an infantry player by heart

I will still get 200 kill games And make everyone call for gun nerfs

[storm shell]

you just said you barely get 150 kill games

which is it

[limpid flame]

In heli

These days

[golden estuary]

You don't sound that way 😂

[limpid flame]

Yes

Ok whatever

[storm shell]

https://tenor.com/view/ronburgundy-dontbelieveyou-skeptical-liar-gif-4961268

[golden estuary]

Mfer do be lying as naturally as they breath

[limpid flame]

Sure

1.5kda player Talking trash

U prolly dont even have 1.5

[golden estuary]

Lmao 1.5 😂

[storm shell]

thats not fair
some people are simultaniously struggling and also getting 200 kill games whenever they like

[limpid flame]

But I cant skill issue

[golden estuary]

I'm rich but I need more tax breaks

[storm shell]

Nothing is wrong but I can shut down any lobby I want if I try

[limpid flame]

Anyways lads, keep complaining, keep crying, this feedback channel is ignored anyways by devs so have a great day lads

[golden estuary]

Lmao

Skill issue irl so hard they can't handle

[limpid flame]

Why would I even bother arguing

@storm shell at least has some viable points

So gang up on LB players

Go off lads

[storm shell]

"I'm leaving" loudly declares person, whom was not, in fact leaving

I've played enough tribes to understand how absolutely stupid "hit it with an rpg" is XD

and that was a game where you have a predictable third axis because you're largely a slave to momentium

[golden estuary]

@kind sinew maybe it's time to help them leave 😂

[limpid flame]

Hirez game

[storm shell]

Dynamix game

[limpid flame]

Bad game at that

[storm shell]

Yeah it had too much of a skill floor for people like you, it certainly wasn't for the mainstream lol

[worthy wave]

you should modmail for this stuff but thanks i will handle it

[sour swallow]

Thank you milord

[desert cove]

2-3 tanks and 127 players. Right, let's give EVERY one tools to solo them

It couldn't go wrong, could it?

[graceful void]

he prob got muted already lol

[rancid hound]

the fuck man

can yall just chill

[rancid hound]

dude is already timed out let the argument die 💀

[desert cove]

Who?

[rancid hound]

the guy you replied to

[desert cove]

RevOs?

[rancid hound]

ues

[desert cove]

Man had one of the sanest takes here

[rancid hound]

he did i agree

but theres no point arguing here with the clowns from earlier

ballzo

[desert cove]

Them why those clowns werent time outed

Literally 1984

[rancid hound]

rev was timed out cuz he said something bad i think

why would they, this is BBR discord after all

idk what exactly

[desert cove]

If they time out sane guys

Then I am next

[rancid hound]

autstc

man words monitoring is ass

[graceful void]

yeah he used a no-no word

[rancid hound]

bruh how do I receive trailer makers' codes

sometimes i wonder what the point of the feedback channels is since the devs never look at them

steam just decided to say no

[golden estuary]

He wanted to leave and he helped himself out 😂

[sour swallow]

Just can't be bringing in that kind of language here sadly

[desert cove]

They have people to do that now

Amd they work

A lot of changes to weapons

Non to vehicles...

I call bias

[rancid hound]

[heady jewel]

Did the lb make its way through chat again

[shut crescent]

yep

[rancid hound]

it always does

[shut crescent]

can we just agree on the fact that adding some stupid ass AA weapon is going to do nothing but hurt transports more than everthing allready does and that LB needs a small nerf (a little bit of dispertion/ dmg dropoff) and be done with it?

so many fucking msgs and for what?

[rancid hound]

exactly lol

[shut crescent]

lets talk about the boats or tanks or APCs for christs sake and not listen to lb pilots whine about not wanting it nerfed and listening to infantry only players cry because the 1 helo that spawns every 5 minutes is too hard to hit out of the air (they didnt even try)

[magic ingot]

need a separate lb feedback thread for people to dunk on

[desert cove]

Then ban all participants lol

Purge lite

[rancid hound]

I say fuck vehicle balancing man

it's just nerfs

blah blah "no more RPG insta kill" but you have a 10x larger weakspot on your APC...

"tanks can no longer snipe" as if they can in your dense maps

[crude anvil]

go play world of tanks or something idk

[graceful void]

lets just remove all vehicles from the game or something idk

[magic ingot]

Infantry conquest: exists

[graceful void]

nobody plays it

people prefer dommy mommy

no vehicles in that mode either anyway

[magic ingot]

Dom has tiny maps

[graceful void]

inf conquest is basically the same thing no?

it either has one more objective

or one fewer

idr

[magic ingot]

For example let’s say sandy

Dom is only the town

Conq + radio hills and whatever small building complex further away

Similar case for eurodovo

Dom: center town only

Inf conq: should be as conq

Tiny maps like Salhan are exceptions (I don’t think Salhan should even get conq)

Basically Namak but buildings destructible

[limpid flame]

[eager needle]

@limpid flame has earned the Tier I Member role!

[desert cove]

You're back?

[sour swallow]

No that's just somebody that created an identical profile

[desert cove]

Okay?

[rancid hound]

[storm shell]

ah good ole ban evasion

[opaque lily]

You can only bandage when you're bleeding in the pilot/gunner seats.

[limpid flame]

Apart from the one slightly unjustified 1hr mute given by mods, I never left this place

[limpid flame]

And always will come back to bring good, valuable ideas for vehicle balance

[harsh oracle]

Noticed quad bike moves slower than hamvees, while providing no protection whatsoever
Would be great for it to at least have advantage in movement speed

[limpid flame]

Have you tried holding shift?

Cause to my knowledge quads are not slower

[rancid hound]

^

quads are faster

[harsh oracle]

With shift
Just in front of me a hamvee pulled ahead, not by much but still it was moving faster

[limpid flame]

Must've been some server lag, quads are considerably faster, especially when boosting with shift

[acoustic fractal]

You should be able to lower your head inside humvee/gastiger M2 turret

[clever vessel]

oh that would be good actually

just duck for cover

[thorny mason]

gonna put in my daily take of "we need more transport littlebirds" and my recently acquired take of "give vehicles loudspeakers for people voiping in the front"

don't think i got today's participation trophy yet

[violet hull]

The little bird is blatantly overpowered.
-RPGing it is just unrealistic unless the pilot is trash and flies super low
-You cannot shoot it down with gunfire because it can fly away out of range too fast
-Its manuverability is broken, flies like a competitive racing drone
-Cant even shoot out the pilot because of how good it is at speed and range, bullets dont do squat and they can just fly away or turn around anyways

I spent an entire match with ultimax and aug, landing shots on both heli and pilot pretty consistently and it was able to escape every single time because of how stupidly fast it flies. the LB needs a speed or health nerf and a pretty significant one at that.

[torpid elk]

who woulda thunk, speed and mobility massively outcompetes everything

[violet hull]

yeah Oki didnt want jets so he just reskinned an A10 warthog

[desert cove]

Wouldn't it better to just replace it with RWS?

Open top turrets suck

[clever vessel]

It would be, true

my thought is that you could make open top turrets have either higher l-damage/some other special trait in return for the risk

[earnest ocean]

what do you guys feel and think about Tank AP round vehicle damage?

[desert cove]

Needs buffs

Only against tanks tho

but may be trcky to do

[rancid hound]

no

if we buff AP buff against all vehicles

Like I have said: APCs survivability should be based on mobility not armor

you can't expect APCs to tank hits from tank and still fighting

though might be hard to say considering APCs' mobility is trash

replace tandem with this

[clever vessel]

lmfao

[desert cove]

Good luck

[clever vessel]

honestly an idea i've held onto for a while is to give the tanks a kind of armor bar and have the tandems be the most effective at penetrating it, but underneath they aren't as good

[desert cove]

Convince Vil to make good maps first lmao

[desert cove]

You can, becouse it's a game, and ARCADE on too

[rancid hound]

arcade and arcade, blah blah blah

man I shouldn't blame you for this considering how stupid maps are and also vehicles

It's like as if there's any defense for APCs at all

[desert cove]

AP vs aPC is good

AP against Tank is a joke.

That's all

[rancid hound]

excluding the merry go round spin

when you get hit

[rancid hound]

ok man it's an APC its ammo should be for other APCs

add an ATGM for it and it will be OK

if you really want to shit on tanks

[desert cove]

I don't understand your point rn?

What have increasing AP dmg to other tanks in common with APC "shitting" on tanks?

???

[rancid hound]

tldr why do you want APCs to fight tank

[desert cove]

I didn't said that ANYWHERE

[rancid hound]

elaborate?

[desert cove]

You're taking this out of your ass

[rancid hound]

won't you elaborate that

I'm confused on your objective rn

[desert cove]

AP dmg to tanks is so low that it's a joke

should be buffed

that's all

But against APC it's OK

[rancid hound]

ok mb

read it as APC's AP

[rancid hound]

would you say so now that the weakspot is 10x larger

maybe not insta kill anymore but you get knocked back to base after 1 hit

[desert cove]

40 dmg anywhere always was good

especialy when AP works like a hit scan basically

[rancid hound]

I'm talking about the weakspot of APC

[desert cove]

should be removed entirely.

[rancid hound]

you don't get insta kill but 80 damage should put you back in base anyways

mission kill

[desert cove]

In hardcore

[rancid hound]

you leave frontline you get mission killed

[desert cove]

Don't bring mil sim mechanics to glorified phantom forces

[rancid hound]

how does that have to do with milsim

mission kill means you're no longer able to engage in combat at any given time

btw when will they fix APC's spinny problems

it's annoying as fuck

also vehicle's aim punch

[crude anvil]

Somewhat ironically, a warthog or similar fixed wing aircraft would be way less OP because they would need to fly directly at whatever they want to strafe. Because the little bird is a helicopter, it’s able to stay 200m away and side slip the whole way which makes it super hard to hit with anything.

[rancid hound]

an attack jet would not be useful here

[crude anvil]

No, and I’m not saying one should be added

[rancid hound]

2x2 maps but you have to turn every times after attack and each turn takes 1.5 km

[crude anvil]

My man I don’t mean to sound rude but you should really read what I wrote

I don’t want jets either

[rancid hound]

never said that

[crude anvil]

I was pointing out that a fixed wing aircraft would be way less OP because they’d have to make strafing runs at whatever they’re shooting.

[rancid hound]

I'm simply adding on to your point of why jets will be "less OP"

[rancid hound]

.

[crude anvil]

Fixed wing aircraft, not Jets

Never even said the word jet lol

[rancid hound]

same thing

or are you suggesting a propeller driven attack aircraft

[desert cove]

But you are basically implying it, becouse there is no fixed wing combat aircraft that isn't a jet

[crude anvil]

Say sike rn

Don’t do this to yourself

I’m gonna drop it but do not fucking double down because I will hit you with the list and it is not short

[rancid hound]

be realistic, in a game of US and RU what non-jet fixed wing attack aircraft are there

[crude anvil]

Fixed wing aircraft would be difficult to implement regardless

But conceptually it would be less of an issue in gameplay because of the way they fly

[rancid hound]

picture a urban map you have 3 bombs but every corners can exist a mf with stingers

ignore the map size it would just be as problematic

[earnest ocean]

buffing AP round but also buffing APC

[rancid hound]

^^^^^^

not armor buff

[desert cove]

Then what?

[rancid hound]

add smoke fix turn rate fix speed

[desert cove]

to use mobility you need space

Which doesn't exists in 99% of maps

[earnest ocean]

instead of 600 damage from ap, to atleast 1000 but also increasing apc health from 3000 to 4000-5000
if the generalpublic doesnt want a tank to one shot APC

[desert cove]

Our maps aren't golmund or Panzerstorm

[rancid hound]

maps issues belong to an entirely different subject

[desert cove]

But they affect overall game play VERY much

[rancid hound]

my suggestion:
APC HP against AP:
Front: 50
Side: 50
Rear: 100

[crude anvil]

I mean you could use the Super Tucano or the AT-6. Ironically again, the USAF was/is looking into those to replace the A-10 in a ground attack role with the OA-X program (indefinite hiatus though rip)

[rancid hound]

comes with that are:

1. Smoke to block views (bigger smoke cuz more vulnerable targets)
2. Fix turn rate to allows faster disengagement
3. Ability to knock down trees
4. Reduce forward speed to around 80-90 km/h and reverse speed of 60 km/h
5. Not getting stuck on random rocks and buildings

[rancid hound]

be real, are those even in today's service

[desert cove]

Too much, AP is basically a rail gun, very fast, no drop off, no range limit and 14 of them

25-40 dmg no weakspot

[rancid hound]

my brother in christ what

[desert cove]

USA have ground attack crop duster in service

[rancid hound]

that would put them on the same level as tank in survivability

[desert cove]

so make ir 40, don't change what work

ALSO

Tank hae fron armour 50% dmg

APC don't

[crude anvil]

They want them to be. OA-X is a current U.S. military program. The Super Tucano is in service in a bunch of countries, and the US wants to phase them in for ground attack roles over helicopters because they’re faster and less vulnerable to ground fire.

[rancid hound]

Because APCs armor are uniformed

in theory it should not have weakspots

[desert cove]

...

[rancid hound]

yeah

50-60 in all spots

Fuck it

[desert cove]

No

40 in all spots

[rancid hound]

bruh

[desert cove]

There is much more dangers than tank alone

and tanks are alredy scary

[rancid hound]

so what's your suggestion to buffing AP against tank

[desert cove]

and only tank

[rancid hound]

Because if it's 40 for APC it would put APC on the same level as tank when tanking hits

[desert cove]

Becouse it works very well against APC

[desert cove]

no

Tank still have frontal armour

[crude anvil]

AP should do as much damage as a tandem IMO.

If not more

[desert cove]

it is BIG difference

[desert cove]

LMAO

[rancid hound]

so?

ricochet doesnt exist

[desert cove]

It's basically a hitscan

[rancid hound]

if you hit the side at 90 degree it will still count as a side hit

[desert cove]

Start thinking like in game, not like in IRL

[rancid hound]

whats the point then

[crude anvil]

Balance

[rancid hound]

tanks now have same armor as APC

[desert cove]

Making expirience enjoyable for EVERYONE

[rancid hound]

where's the arcade

[desert cove]

tank still would have it's 50% hitbox, it's HUGE advantage

[crude anvil]

Nah APCs should not have the same armor as tanks that sounds awful

[rancid hound]

It will now be the same as BF, APC have roughly similar health but you can shit out more damage and more speed

lmao

[rancid hound]

if you dont know hitting a tank manlet in game will not give you a 50% damage reduction

[crude anvil]

Honestly I feel like APCs are in a pretty good spot right now with balance

[desert cove]

idk about 2042, but in BF4 APC is paper in comparison

[rancid hound]

my brother in christ

[desert cove]

Then you didn't played it it seems

[rancid hound]

not really

[crude anvil]

Then what’s wrong with them?

Besides the tandem ohk

[rancid hound]

shit accuracy shit camera shit drop off shit defense shit fire rate shit damage

to name a few

[desert cove]

They are harder to use, weaker, less forgiving, while offering MUCH LESS capability

They aren't glass cannons, and they arent specialized in anything

They lack identity

For what they should be and do

[rancid hound]

they're glass

[crude anvil]

The accuracy isn’t great but it’s also not too far off of realistic. Damage could be higher too, though they’d need to be very careful about it. The camera and defense do seem alright though

I feel like the issue is they’re meant to be APCs but nobody uses them that way because it’s not incentivized.

[desert cove]

And in what they should be good at (troop transport doesn't counts, becouse squad spawn and Helis do that orders of magnitude better>)

[crude anvil]

People use them like fast tanks

[rancid hound]

no they're just shit

[desert cove]

They are IFV man, APC role doesn't exisats in this game

[rancid hound]

except in some maps you camp and get stupid kills

[desert cove]

As they should

[rancid hound]

they cant kill infantry which is their main role

[desert cove]

Inf is better at that

[crude anvil]

I really don’t think they’re meant to be IFVs.

[desert cove]

we don't know

But APC role doesn't exists

[rancid hound]

let's look at your statement:
So here we have the roles:
Fighting vehicles: tanks
Fighting infantry: ...

[crude anvil]

For one thing, if they were meant to be IFVs I’d think they’d put use IFV models instead of APCs.

[rancid hound]

you wont drive a Bradley out off the USS Wasp

[desert cove]

LAV-25 and BTR 82a are IFV's

Light IFV's, but IFV's nontheless

[rancid hound]

IFVs are light...

[desert cove]

Designed and used as such

[rancid hound]

they're not meant to be heavy

[desert cove]

Lynx weights 40t

BTR82 weightas 19

Both are IFV

IFV is a role, not weight class

[rancid hound]

dude one's a wheeled on one's a tracked one

[desert cove]

yes

Both are IFV's

[rancid hound]

and an Abrams weight 70 tons

[desert cove]

Both have the same role

[rancid hound]

use relative scaling

[desert cove]

They are just different

[rancid hound]

you wouldn't want a 33 ton Bradley going off USS Wasp in Isle

[crude anvil]

If you wanna get technical they’re not IFVs. Not every transport with an autocannon is doctrinally used as an IFV even if it technically falls under the definition.

[crude anvil]

Yes I do :( /s

[desert cove]

tehnically they are IFV, used by thier respective countries as such

[rancid hound]

sink

well let's talk about that:
Roles of vehicles:
Fighting vehicles: tanks
Fighting infantry: ..... maybe tanks
Transporting infantry: ..... APC? But why nobody rides in them, oh yeah they're slow

[crude anvil]

I don’t think anyone is using the Stryker as an IFV. I could be wrong, but it’s far too lightly armored.

[crude anvil]

Wait aren’t APCs some of the fastest ground vehicles right now? They’re definitely not slow.

Do you get a transport bonus for carting people around in an APC the same way you do with a helicopter?

[rancid hound]

humvees are faster, which enables troops to be moved faster to the frontline, a more desirable choice for arcadey babies

helis are just gunships at this point

[desert cove]

Stryker is not LAV-25

and there are IFV's version of strykers

[crude anvil]

My bad I was looking at an article and mixed up the names when I was checking the definition of IFV lol

[rancid hound]

add ricochet

[desert cove]

second slowest

[rancid hound]

allow APCs to shrug off AP sometimes

[crude anvil]

Why???

[rancid hound]

you solve the problem of APC low health against AP

[crude anvil]

I think the biggest issue to solve is how to simultaneously make vehicles less vulnerable when they actually participate in the fight while also not making them even stronger when they camp at the back of the map.

[desert cove]

hard to do tbh

[crude anvil]

Very

[desert cove]

You need to incentivise agressive gameplay first

Rignt now game only punishes you for that

[crude anvil]

I think the big problem is that if vehicles get stronger in close quarters it’s also gonna make them stronger when they camp at the back like an asshole as well. I don’t know how you would make it so one is viable but not the other.

[desert cove]

Yeah, that's a big problem

Propaby by map design tbh

[crude anvil]

That’s def a part of it

[cedar ember]

Seeing some strong LB cheats right now

Probably why people are complaining so much about it

[desert cove]

Yeah, there is something going armourd

Not first time when I hear that

[storm shell]

HEAT rpg damage like sniper rifle where it hurts bad if you hit at very long range

[rich spruce]

I've heard people complain about that but never seen anything substantial to back that up

it seems like it would be very complex to make cheats for an LB

[limpid flame]

Kinda gotta disagree with that, the issue with jets would not be the size of the map but the heigh of skybox limiting the movement And what role would they be for. Not for effective infantry kills, cause every strafe requires getting close And risk death. Vehicle destruction? Well, 5 minutes timers And while you kill entire maps, you finna be bored for 5 minutes with no targets. Im sure it all could be tweaked to work, especially on like 4 maps but I dont see the point of adding this vehicle yet

[rancid hound]

pretty sure you're not gonna add a jet into the game without stinger

or any AA

knowing devs they will fuck you up big time if you use jets

well if you even get a jet...

[limpid flame]

It's all tweakable with numbers, I think normal fast fire AA would do Just fine cause adding any stinger/igla type shit would ruin the gameplay for everything in the air

Which i believe oki said could be a posibility

Neither vehicle we really need rn

[desert cove]

Larry said on dev stream, in response to Oki concern about stinger spam, that you can limit range of lock, forcing pilots to fly low

I was like, wtf? APC exists

[limpid flame]

Fly low - -> get RPG'd

Get APC'd

Terrain is a good cover but it's also cointoss risk as there May be an enemy anywhere

[desert cove]

The only thing that limits APC from being bona fide AAz is fact that it's velocity sucks, so any heli flying relatively high is safe, due to fact that it's pain in the ass to shoot down

Force them to fly low, easy 4000 points every time I see one

[rancid hound]

AA will fuck infantry up big times

we all know what happen in BF4

[rancid hound]

true

[limpid flame]

Inevitable

[rancid hound]

you dont want Su 25 fuckers UB 32 the entire bridge on Wakistan

[limpid flame]

I mean xd

Whatever it would be, people would still bitch about being farmed

[rancid hound]

ye but then people will still bitching about jets even if the only thing it has is 3 bombs

because we gotta be invincible against vehicles but vehicles cant be invicible against us

like bruh what differences will a jet makes in Lonovo

you're not gonna Shock and Awe the whole city

[limpid flame]

Tru

I would like to see jets on 3 maps

Sandy, wine pd And Isle

3 biggest maps

[desert cove]

I like that you forgot to mention Valley

It's so shitty that you forgot about it existence lol

[rancid hound]

the only map that fits for jet are open maps

contrary to what people said there needs to be a counter to vehicles on big maps

Oil Dunes Eduardovo blah blah

you dont want to add jets to Lonovo and Frugis....

[limpid flame]

Oh yeh Valley exists lmao

[desert cove]

Tanks are perfect for that

Basically unlimited range, a lot of ammo, just buff AP dmg

Very easy to hit thier shots

[limpid flame]

I have not seen actual tank killing tank

Besides a noob getting in a weird spot against a good tanker

[desert cove]

Because rn, they suck at it

They need buffs

To thier AP dmg

[limpid flame]

It's almost like the biggest enemy is not other tank, how it should be, but random infantry

[desert cove]

That's exactly how it is

[limpid flame]

In a way it's unavoidable cause if you make tanks tankier then the kids will cry it's op, the only solution i see is as if they added an actual damage model on tank parts or weakspots more meaningful

But oki doesnt want to work on vehicles at all:))

Instead he rather make an armored humvee or mrap

Whatever he's making rn

There is so much to fix about vehicles NotLikeThis

Give me attack heli And IM happy

[desert cove]

Realistic dmg moddels in arcade game is terrible idea

Especially with a lot of players like BBR have

[rich spruce]

Why’s that?

[desert cove]

Stoping for more than few seconds basically means death

Especially on smaller maps, or generally closer to objectives

Amd realistic dmg models imply mission kills, immobilization etc

[rich spruce]

Ah, I was just thinking hit locations

[desert cove]

It works in Squad, because there is 50 guys on 6x6 km map,

And they run as fast as we walk in battlebit

[desert cove]

We have that tbh, simplified version but we have it

[limpid flame]

Nah I didnt mean realistic

More or less

Hit from the front = much less damage

Hit from side = moderate damage

Hit from behind = almost death

Hit from the side = slower movement speed or turning penalty

Stuff like that

We sorta have it rn

But in poorly balanced way

Idk, dont take it as an idea, im not a tank player myself so I rather let the experienced guys talk about it

[desert cove]

That's literally a current system for a tank

50% less dmg for the front

200% more form the rear

[limpid flame]

Ah

Then im uneducated

Or maybe i never noticed it cause I suck at tanks that i always die to random C4 dude

Or a coordinated swarm of tandems

[desert cove]

Yeah, C4 don't cares if you have armour or not

And tandems are 3 shot from side lol

[cedar ember]

LB yesterday was auto targeting and strafing targets and hitting people in buildings. They went like 145 and 1

[limpid flame]

You cant cheat in LB

Vehicle are clientsided, you'd have to not only make a godlike cheat, but make it invisible, cause as soon as a file is modified, it gets you banned

[rich spruce]

What you’d have to do, is have some cheat set up that could take in information from the game and replicate the exact inputs you’d need to give to the program to aim perfectly

This would be a very tricky thing to do but there is a theoretical invisible and perfect implementation which could exist

[rich spruce]

That does sound very high though

I’ve seen higher from a very good LB pilot so that’s not an instant “they must be hacking”

As I did not observe it I can’t judge if they were playing impossibly well

[limpid flame]

Maybe you've seen a good pilot that is it

I drop this

And I get called a cheater anyways

Besides spectator mode for vehicles is so dogshit

You cant even confirm it

[cedar ember]

Vehicles being client side is HOW the better cheats are possible... And trust me, they exist.

[desert cove]

Vechicle are server side though

That's why there aren't presents in shooting range

[cedar ember]

Controls may be server side, but the models and files are client at minium

[desert cove]

Idk what is/isn't

They are server side, that's why adding them to shooting range is pain in the ass

[limpid flame]

I mixed it up

Whisky hitting hard xd

They are server sided yes

[rich spruce]

Controls are client side (how could they not be?). The actual vehicle itself is server side

Modifying the game would not allow you to change the state of the vehicle

All you can do (as far as I know) is send info to the server on what inputs you’ve given the vehicle

So it’s not like an aimbot where you just alter where you are looking to aim at the target, because you cannot directly alter the vehicle

[cedar ember]

The cheat doesn't modify the game, it figures out where enemy players are and knows how to fly the LB in a way to target them and hit them. Its an input and wallhack cheat.

basically auto-pilot

[rich spruce]

Yes, and that would not be easy to set up

It would need to be able to aim accurately, complete evasive manoeuvres and stay in the air

It might even be easiest to just train an AI how to do it :p

[cedar ember]

You.... would be surprised.... greatly surprised

the LB flies like an arcade copter

it is pretty easy to control it with a program

[rich spruce]

Have you done it?

[cedar ember]

I have not done anything on public servers

basically how it works, the person playing lock a target, the heli points at them. Then you can press any button, left right forward back and the program will adjuts your view to always look directly at your target. So think of it like one-pedal flying.

[rich spruce]

How evasive does that allow you to be?

[cedar ember]

you technically are still the one doing the "evading" by choosing a direction

but you are also always locked onto a target

so you can just chain through targets rapid fire

the cheat doesn't fly for you, it juts lets you pull off any bone-headed move and not miss

[torpid elk]

nah dude, just use a pid controller. this sort of stuff is what they were made for. we have a target value we want to aporach (basically the vertical and horizontal angle our heli is pointing). apply a proportional force to the heli according to the deviation from the desired angle to quickly approach values closer to the desired angle, then subtract the derivative of the change to dampen your rate of change and prevent overshoot, finally apply an integral of the deviation from the angle to cancel out steady-state errors

[thorny mason]

chaining drops and caps with the transport littlebirds is so satisfying

also gives insane amounts of xp

but people are starting to get way too good with heats so it's been gettin tougher

[thorny mason]

hitting m and seeing all the points blue and being able to say "hey that was partly me" is nice

it'd be nice if there was a spotlight active while you had rope out so it was easier to communicate to people on the ground that a heli's good for pickup

[rich spruce]

Yeah I’m aware of PIDs, I was just thinking you’d need to still be able to manoeuvre evasively despite your crosshair being effectively locked on the target, but on further reflection that wouldn’t be a big problem
(though accounting for bullet velocity might be a bit harder if not necessary to perform well)

Can do most evasion with roll + altitude control

[cedar ember]

If you notice, a lot of the ones that cheat do EXACTLY that

[desert cove]

i feel that man

With tandems too

[thorny mason]

oh man seeing that tandem in the corner of my screen is a sadness like no other

[desert cove]

The only worse thing is geting one shoted by a tandem you dont see

[limpid flame]

Can oki Just rework rcb90

Why do we need another apc

[desert cove]

There is kind of no other way

Either another APC, or another Blackhawk

With second option being much worse

Because boat will never compete with heli as a transport

[limpid flame]

Just give it chain gun instead of apc cannon

[desert cove]

It is literally the same thing.

APC cannon is a chain gun

Or it should be one at lesst

[harsh oracle]

Is it possible to snipe out the gunner from rcb?
The driver and dude at f2 seat are vulnerable (duh) but the gunner goes to section behind them and I dont really see a way to get to him

[rancid hound]

one thing that bothers me every times I think about it is that why do tanks load HE faster than AP

technically AP shells are much lighter than HE shells

plus speaking from a gameplay perspective infantry are your most common targets, so shouldn't HE be loaded slower than AP so that it's actually synced with the game flows?

[desert cove]

I believe that it's impossible

[desert cove]

It doesn't really

[limpid flame]

I meant like

Semi fast fire 50BMG

More accurate fire, splash damage, more for infantry

And like maybe 2 frag rpgs

[desert cove]

That's basically current RCB gun

More accurate APC gun, but I think that it has lower splash radious

[rancid hound]

dang thread's silent

[desert cove]

Man, we are near 10k messages

All was said basically

[cedar ember]

At this point it is the devs that need to listen and make changes

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Add vehicle locking please

[rancid hound]

Maybe paid vehicles? Like paid helicopters and stuff? It seems everyone is racing to get them and many ppl just don’t spawn until their heli or tank spawns it gets bothersome.

[golden estuary]

1 usd per spawn 😂

[cedar ember]

I think he means squad points

I hope

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Tired of idiots driving my gunvees head first into the enemy and getting me killed

[desert cove]

PS2 system would be nice, BUT then everyone could spanw vehicles

So we are talking 10 tanks at the same time per team

And limiting spawns is in contary to buy on demand syatem

[rich spruce]

there would be so many 12 year olds gatekeeping their vehicles for literally no reason

[thorny mason]

might not end up being a bad idea consolidating most of the issues posted in this thread into one chunk, maybe it'll get some attention then

[vague flint]

So many various points and potential improvements mentioned but the only thing we get regarding vehicles is stingers getting added 🦐

[desert cove]

Basically yes

Welcome to battlebit remastered

No buffs to vehicles since ever

[thorny mason]

what's this about stingers? are they getting added or are yall just referencing the thread

[desert cove]

Oki thinks about them

[thorny mason]

[desert cove]

But it's fucked up idea, will not solve LB problem, but will definetly punish all other helicopters

[thorny mason]

unironically i think they really just need to adjust the "weightiness" in the flight model

idk what it looks like on the inside but i'm going to assume the flight model between littlebirds and blackhawks are the basically the same with a different mass value

could reason that the guns + ammo add a ton of weight; would achieve a fair bit: would force pilots to commit to their "gun runs" more so than now making infantry a lot tougher to take down, and obviously would make them a lot more susceptible to rockets during those runs

would also stop a single littlebird sharking the rest of the airspace across the entire map, and put them in a slightly more defensive position

[limpid flame]

I still stand that it Just needs another vehicle to constantly contest the airspace And harrass it

[desert cove]

I have been playing only 64vs64 lately
The disparity in how vehicles play on 128 and 254 is enormous

One feels like slightly underbaked early acces game while the later is unplayable

I don't understand that

[torpid elk]

254 is poorly conceived. there are a lot of non-obvious balance issues that crop up when you increase player count. you cant just copy-paste the same rules and restrictions from a lower player count mode and expect things to run smoothly.

i think instead of just letting everyone have everything whenever they want a better system would be to tie it to some sort of resource system (say, squad points?) which you can then tweak the income of between various modes to balance the availability of more powerful tools.

like lets say we add stingers. thats going to be a LOT of missiles on 254. idk what sort of ideas he has for balancing the missiles but lock-ons can be incredibly oppressive and unless the lock-on is near non- existent i can see even a poor lock-on being incredibly obnoxious when like half your team runs them. you simply cant just let everyone run whatever they want when you start giving them tools like that. even recon is at least balanced by requiring aim and having sightlines closed off with obstacles but most helis are going to be visible from nearly anywhere on the map.

i personally would prefer something like a really high firerate AA gun that could be built with squad points with decent velocity and a tiny bit of splash and proximity fuses to allow even near misses to be able to scare off helis.

you could make something like this powerful without it also being too obnoxious because you can limit availability with squad points. just make it so that it has an elevation limit so you cant just use it as an anti-infantry gun (or maybe let it be used as one. that could be cool too. )

basically, having a lever on the availability of a weapons lets you have the flexibility of making a weapon powerful without it becoming the only weapon ever used. there is a reason some games go with the model of "weapons as powerups"

[desert cove]

Then we end up with situations when every player runs a very effective counter, and 1/5 of lobby runs a direct one, but they is only 5 targets

[clever vessel]

Honestly that sounds fun

I think it would be an amazing reward and highlight for a game when you have a dozen tanks on each side firing over one another

[desert cove]

We have too small maps etc for that

And it would be a nightmare for everyone else

[shut crescent]

they can play

non conq modes

"ohh dont buff vechs it would ruin the fun for everybody in the 1 gamemode they are in if they were actually fucking usefull (besides LB)!1!1!1!1"

[sour swallow]

They nerfed LB yet

[clever vessel]

iirc @warm abyss had been doing that

[rancid hound]

Buff combat vehicles

they feels awkwardly underpowered for such intensed nature of the game

[harsh oracle]

Worst is when this individuals just drive you into the nearest water pool

[harsh oracle]

You have to manually do it
Passanger seats are still available, so I see no issue
Rather I see a solution that allows uninterrupted 7m rampages

[limpid flame]

XD

[sour swallow]

Say something mute worthy so Austin shows up so I can post the second video

[limpid flame]

Im afraid i wont be doing that

[sour swallow]

@worthy wave crazy how they haven’t nerfed LB yet huh

[desert cove]

Man pings mods for no fucking reason

Either bad troll or clinicaly insane

[heady jewel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1127102901064564766/1148445331755909200/image0.gif

[wide relic]

https://tenor.com/view/big-time-play-there-evan-raynr-raynday-gaming-evdog805-what-a-play-gif-26086669

[thorny mason]

man all the people asking for lock-ons worry me

i feel like people don't get that you're not supposed to be consistent at shooting these things down, engies have 6 heats each for a reason

[desert cove]

Yeah, those empty brained players consider vehicles as XP pinatas

They see something moving, they want osk and get XP

[thorny mason]

there's only so much flying even the perfect pilot could do before they're just completely overwhelmed

armed littlebirds for example, if you're attacking over a point (like waki bridge) just 5 engies is 30 chances for you to be one shot, not including the 15 people trying to snipe you out as well

and 5 engies is being extremely conservative in my experience

unfortunately, people tend to ignore the airspace as infantry

[cedar ember]

I'm already getting sniped by heats lol

[limpid flame]

they dont get it

im in the top 1% of pilots and even i have games where i just wont be able to kill as many people as i want to

simply by the pressure

and i dont die just because of my gamesense

and not overheating my brain

then they will say "oh but we shot him, he started burning but lb so fast he went and repaired"

some games it's literally impossible to kill anyone

some games you just farm the bots

cause they get shot down and start to lay down making themselves easier targets

i have 600 HP in a 5 minutes respawn vehicle, that is high skill high reward, basically a glass cannon

and they want it nerfed

(600 hp is roughly 2 AUG mags)( i have about 10 mad snipers shooting at me at the same time)(plus engineers with their HEATs)(plus DMRs got buffed)(APC+Boat targeting me)(sometimes even tanks are mad enough to kill a single heli)

there is so many people shooting at you at times that you just dont even realize you're dead

new pilots often dont get any fun in the heli because of what the community does to helis

so yeah. let's add lock-ons to further destroy the fun for new heli pilots

and blackhawk pilots

how it is rn is fair

and it should not change

maybe fix the physics

cause this shit is on some zaza sometimes

then again, even with the physics of LB, 90% of the pilots wont be able to fly it like me and will most likely crash

just check the AttackDev server for LB pvp, most of the people that learn how to fly cant even fly straight

not even mentioning aiming

we dont need any AAs, we dont need any lock-ons, we need smarter community

that is it

maybe overheat mechanic on my miniguns

[thorny mason]

yeah i think almost the entire problem of the littlebird relies in the guns

[limpid flame]

it's a mix of the guns and the physics

[thorny mason]

it does not take a lot of focused fire to take down anything, hell another littlebird will go down in 1-2 total seconds of taking fire

[limpid flame]

that is the thing, it dies very fast

me personally, even as a so called "bitch abusing littlebirds" i want to see them nerfed in a meaningful way

it needs slight spread on the gun, it maybe needs some overheat mechanic, and definitely different flying physics

[thorny mason]

i want them nerfed so I can leave spawn with an unarmed lb instead of sending upwards of 8 people to their demise

[limpid flame]

i maybe have a dumb opinion but i think littlebirds should not be able to damage any vehicles

it's a vehicle for infantry pressure

i dont need to fight vehicles

[thorny mason]

personally I think that's what they should excel at but not to this extent

two guns that don't need to reload firing 4 l-armor damage pellets at some of the highest fire rates in the game

[limpid flame]

if there was another flying vehicle doing this job, it would be way more balance imo

vehicles should have defined roles, LB is sort of a jack of all trades rn, cause i can kill infantry AND fuck up a lot of vehicles

i can assert aerial dominance too

it should not be that way imo

[thorny mason]

i think they're worried about oversaturating the airspace but certain maps honestly need more helis, and i agree the game would welcome new ones a good bit

2-seater attack heli would fit well

one gunner, one pilot

make it a good bit chunkier compared to lb, give it a turret, and split the job between two people

[limpid flame]

make it fly in between LB and blackhawk

[thorny mason]

compared to the lb, it would make it easier for average players to find success with it, would make it harder for the aces to dominate entire games, would allow for more counterplay in a flight model due to weight

[limpid flame]

but pilot should also have some dumbfire weapon, like Frag rpg rocket pods, maybe 4 shots

see that is a balance air vehicle

requires teamplay, does air space contesting job, maybe has an ability to do damage to vehicle, is not the biggest threat for infantry

i think gunner should have something like a browning with some heavy L damage

see those are good ideas

very good ideas

[thorny mason]

the littlebird frame should be kept as transports but honestly the best way to deal with the armed one is to just replace it entirely

[limpid flame]

@golden valley take notes

[golden valley]

Tldr it for me

In a meeting rn

[limpid flame]

TLDR:
Littlebird should have a defined role, which is infantry fighting air vehicle, it needs slight (oki dont fuck up) spread, better flying model and preferrably lower L armor damage - why:
Add an attack helicopter with a flying model in between LB and Blackhawk, make it have 2 seats, a pilot and a gunner, pilot should have access do a dumbfire weapon(like a frag/heat RPG rocket pod - 4 to 8 of those to make it balanced
gunner should have like a browning with moderate firerate and good L armor damage to fight LB, and be the vehicle to contest airspace, should have some splash damage for possible infantry kills so the vehicle actually has some uses.
the vehicle itself could have about 1k-1.2k HP so it feels tankier at the cost of flying speed and flying capabilities

this creates good roles between aerial vehicle, no need for an AA which would possible ruin air gameplay AND infantry gameplay(cause we know how it ended in BF), creates healthy vehicular gameplay, the vehicle itself requires teamwork for profit so it's not broken by a single user aswell

i may have missed some points, probably something important but its late and im braindead after BBR

[torpid elk]

How about replace the rockets with bombs. I could see rockets being oppressive and create a playstyle of shoot, retreat and reload, and shoot. Imagine waki bridge with 8 splash damage rockets...

a bomb would force a riskier style where you need to fly above who you want to bomb and you need to lead more because it would be slower

[thorny mason]

yeah i'm pretty sure we've already gotten confirmation of "no rocket pods"

[limpid flame]

you can always control whether the rocket pods can do damage to infantry or just vehicles

[torpid elk]

Bombs sound fun though

[thorny mason]

i don't really think it needs much extra armament in the first place

[limpid flame]

i believe bombs sound good

@thorny mason im thinking in advance, look at the speedboat, it already has a pilot-gunner workings but the driver is uselss once you get to the spot

and with an attack heli you are actively moving so giving the pilot some limited weaponry feels rewarding for actually flying

cause sometimes you cant expect your gunner to actually hit anything

im sure @desert cove already explained why this is an issue

[torpid elk]

Hell, you know what... make the bomba a bunker buster. A bomb that actually penetrates through ceilings and roofs!

[limpid flame]

you also gotta keep in mind that attack heli would be slower, and with limited ammo, its not an LB which has enough ammo to kill entire team

so in a way its still balance

you have 4-8 shots that may or may not hit, may or may not kill, threat from the rocket pods defined by stats that can be tweaked by oki

and the skill of the user