Vehicle - Feedback

[golden valley]

The reports are a trophy

[desert cove]

And? Thos reports doesn't matter, and this is not exploiting lmao

[limpid flame]

This is literally Just my trophy

A mental proof of how many annoyed kids there are that Just cant understand how to deal with me

[desert cove]

sees LB going 100-0
doesn't counter it even if it's easy
gets killed like an idiot
"Little bird op! Nerf! Give me braindead counter!"

We unfortunately have those players

[golden valley]

Prime example

[opaque lily]

I'm killing and contesting littlebirds just fine in the transport chopper. For the expert pilots you are speaking about in this thread it's as simple as telling your gunners to hold fire and sneaking up on them from behind and full sending it. The littlebird has so little base health that the door gunners can destroy it.

[desert cove]

"NOO! Little Bird is OP! I don't want to shoot at it!We need OP lock on counter so it does all the work for me! "

I don't play LB, i have barely 10 kills on both

[supple mauve]

Maybe you should, then you would finally stop this ridiculous argument that apparently it's super skillful only a handful of people can manage getting a lot of kills with it.

[desert cove]

That's why I don't do it. I don't enjoy spending 10h to learn basic of aiming

[heady jewel]

Idk I don’t want do be those players and spin the littlebird upside down just to hit shit😔

[coral citrus]

That's kinda the point. Either it's "super skillful" (it's not) and only tryhards with too much free time can exploit it, which isn't fun for anyone else, or it's easy to use, which still means there's a single person per team that can get access to a tool that is extremely effective. Which isn't fun for anyone else.

[limpid flame]

This guy has more game time than any of y'all barking up in this thread, it only shows u how hard it is to fly that shit at 1% level that Angers you.

Why would good players be Punished for being good

[desert cove]

Feel free to prove that and jump in and do 100-1 in one of ten games. It should be possible, according to you.

[limpid flame]

If you think it's easy, please go into a game, hop in the heli And drop at LEAST 70 kills

[supple mauve]

Oh, they can still be super skillful if the littlebird gets proper counters 👍

Gotta work around the counters though, so it requires even more skill, much better

[limpid flame]

You cant have lock on missiles in 128 player game, way too many people would be using that And it would be impossible to implement balanced countermesures for helis

[supple mauve]

Cool, I never argued for lock on missiles

[limpid flame]

Not to mention blackhawks will be dead 24/7 because of that

And there already are counters for helis.

[supple mauve]

For the littlebird? Nope.

[desert cove]

Just like with tandem😭

[coral citrus]

Yeah of course it's possible. Do you think people abusing it have some kind of super special mutation that makes them innately better? Maybe it's just that not many people want to waste their time getting good at one tiny part of some random game.

[limpid flame]

Please find me a vehicles with more counters.

I'll suck your toes if you find one

[supple mauve]

APC and tanks? Are you joking?

[heady jewel]

There is always an apc taking pot shots at a helicopter

[supple mauve]

This is like saying snipers are a counter

[coral citrus]

He's gonna say it doesn't count because their LB can't kill them lol

[heady jewel]

You haven’t flown a helicopter in this game if you haven’t been shot down by a tank or apc

[supple mauve]

You can shoot unexperienced pilots with a tank, apc or boat

you know what you do if you get shot?

[limpid flame]

Die

[desert cove]

No, i think it's requires a lot of skill, unlike you said. There is maybe 30 individual pilots with good scores you can find here, that we know of. Given howboften I meet them (I play only Conq) i will guess there is max 200 of them in anglo sphere

[heady jewel]

Nothing because I guarantee it’s aiming for the 0.1 hp tail rotar

[supple mauve]

you either fly over them and blast them (boat) or simply go somewhere else, since the tank/apc will die faster than you

[desert cove]

Anyways, what region you guys are?

[heady jewel]

US east

[limpid flame]

i cant speak for US servers cause i have absolutely no clue who are their good pilots but EU has maybe max 30 good pilots

[heady jewel]

Apc canons have a decent rate of fire

[supple mauve]

Same with humvee btw, if you notice one shooting at you, just fly over it and blast it - they can't do a lot

besides driving away, lol

[heady jewel]

You’ll be shot down before destroying the boat

[limpid flame]

no but they dont understand cause they suck at using them

they think being shit at the game is perfectly fine and game should be balanced around them

the good players have to be punished

[desert cove]

I have a feeling that LB drama is NA specific

There is really no talk on EU

[limpid flame]

might be the case

[heady jewel]

I haven’t seen a 101-0 lb player yet

NA

[supple mauve]

You know there's a maximum angle the boat can aim up, right?

[heady jewel]

You know the boat can move to a better angle right

[clever vessel]

my max kd lb player i've seen so far is 54-8

[limpid flame]

@supple mauve heli's cant move up above the boat and hover above them infinitely

[supple mauve]

Ah yes, because helis can't move

[limpid flame]

they will start to fall down and at some point will have to get some distance where the boat is free to shoot at them

[supple mauve]

They don't have to, because the boat is made out of paper

[limpid flame]

PAPER

I HAVE TO SHOOT 1K BULLETS AT THAT THING

TF YOU MEAN

1K BULLETS

[supple mauve]

sounds like a skill related problem to me (joke!)

[heady jewel]

Hit that tail rotor twice and it’s going down

[limpid flame]

they can take more than enough beating. all you have to do is hit me in the tail

or just hit 5 consecutive shots

[desert cove]

Read the fucking rules man

[limpid flame]

5 or 6 i dont remember

really not hard

[clever vessel]

man i've seen 'skill issue' too many times today coming from ppl here who should know better

come on

[supple mauve]

I fixed it, no worries

[limpid flame]

you're telling me skill issue if YOU are the one having problems with GOOD heli pilots

@clever vessel i dont know you but i have a question

do you feel generally opressed by every single LB you see flying at you in this game

do you feel like they are so OP that everyone can be getting a lot of kills and basically no deaths

[coral citrus]

It's more reading comprehension issue tbh. Perhaps their super elite LB training takes too much brainpower to leave room for anything else.

[supple mauve]

I mean, Rev0s is "skill issuing" basically the whole thread as the whole argument

[limpid flame]

If i point out the simplest things you can do to counter LBs and you still complain about them then im not doing anything, you're doing the job for me.

[supple mauve]

And if I point out that they aren't counters, your answer is:

[limpid flame]

If i give accurate ways as a heli pilot how you can make my day very bad and you still gonna cry this is you , skill issuing yourself

i cant really explain this even easier

[supple mauve]

there we go

[limpid flame]

im giving you hits how YOU can shit on me

[clever vessel]

honestly that's a weird question to ask because that's kinda a useless way to put it imo

i do feel oppressed by the LBs I notice, because like, they're god damn LBs. Of course they're oppressive. They have two pin-point accurate machine guns. At the same time, it's hard to notice them that much on average because even when they are popping their astounding 50-60 kills with minimal deaths it's not as if they really change anything, they just make stomps go harder and struggles be a bit more struggly

[desert cove]

Isn't being oppresive and forcing players to change thier tactic a whole point of vehicles?

[heady jewel]

They are the best counters ever

Tank shell

[clever vessel]

well i don't consider the oppressive part to be a problem

[heady jewel]

Apc shells

Bullets

[desert cove]

Fair, because it's not

[heady jewel]

Rockets

[coral citrus]

What tactic do you need to change? "Just shoot at them" like everything else in this game lol

[clever vessel]

imo the problem is that the cost of massed fire is kinda disproportionate to the existent risk

[supple mauve]

Yeah, if the littlebird is standing still in the air, you can try shooting one of your 14 shells at it 👍 thanks for the tip

[heady jewel]

You can hit a little bird with an apc

[limpid flame]

Thats the thing! People from what i understand are mostly mad about heli's from wakistan bridge farming, but its heli pilots punishing bad decision making of infantry, there is literally 3-4 ways you can attack points but they decide to stack on the bridge(not to say this is bad map design, it is and i wish it was changed)

[heady jewel]

It’s easy as shit

[desert cove]

And thier impact on the game is negligible, unless you go 150+. BH have more impact with ability to drop whole squads on back cap every 3 mintes

[heady jewel]

It has a good rate of fire and you only need to hit the back a few times for it to go down

[supple mauve]

Yeah, if the littlebird is stationary in the air, you can try shooting one of the most inaccurate guns at it 👍

[coral citrus]

Great, so that gives you a grand total of maybe 2 players per team that can do something about it? As opposed to the 127 players who can grab C4 and rush the APC.

[clever vessel]

if you're not too greedy you can put yourself well out of distance of the dumfire rockets and regular rifles which is kinda annoying but on the other hand like is this even caused by the LBs being strong or the game around it being designed like this

[heady jewel]

You are such a jackass Jesus

[limpid flame]

xd

[clever vessel]

that's why i distanced away from the LB convo because unlike with tanks and what not i don't have data and furthermore i just, can't fucking tell what is going on with them 90% of the time

[desert cove]

Find cover. If not enough, find better counter,(APC, MG jeeps, tanks, engis), if not enough, respawn in other area

[clever vessel]

100-0? fuck, i wouldn't notice if i didn't read the scoreboard, that guy is totally god damn useless

[supple mauve]

That's vehicle life, tbh

[clever vessel]

yeah fr and along with much of the game it really needs a rework

[coral citrus]

I think you offended them by stating facts so obviously true they have nothing to reply with. :(

[clever vessel]

i feel personally that LBs are emerging as an apparent problem because they are perhaps the only vehicle class in the game capable of engaging in any oppression right now

there's nothing to compare them against, nothing to evaluate against

every other vehicle is busy sitting in safe places taking pot shots because they're too vulnerable to do anything else

[supple mauve]

You are right, besides the tanks camping in spawn (which has mostly been fixed), it's a fundamental issue, to which I refer back to one of my first posts in this thread #1138533470348525699 message

[limpid flame]

i myself as a dedicated heli pilot i want counters to Littlebirds - i think it;s highly unfair that it is the single vehicle that can do something in the air(apart from blackhawks but these are transport), i wish there were other vehicles or tools to counter my ass so i have something else to fight with, and be less occupied with infantry, but the idea of having lock on missiles is so dumb and people still think its good

[rancid hound]

dawg what are yall arguing about 💀

[heady jewel]

You can kill a littlebird easily with a blackhawk,apc,infantry

Quit acting like it’s so hard

[supple mauve]

lock on missiles bad, increase firing angle of 7M

that's all i want

maybe for the APC too

[clever vessel]

yeah we could do with that

[coral citrus]

Alright, how about you do a tutorial for us and show us some nice footage of you easily taking down little birds in a full game?

[clever vessel]

and general vehicle buffs would def make LBs more challenged in the air in general

[clever vessel]

look man can we move on from the 'this is easy why can't you do it???' stage of conversation it's just toxic and it ain't useful

[heady jewel]

How about you fly a fucking littlebird and see how quick you die

Do it

You’ll die to one of the things I listed

I 110 percent guarantee

[coral citrus]

Why? That's just "skill issue", obviously

Show me how easy it is to take them down, maybe we can even argue for some LB buffs

[heady jewel]

No no

Fly

Go and fly

Better yet watch someone fly

See how long they last

[desert cove]

And imagine if other vehicles were as competent as in BFV or Squad, not to mention BF4

[heady jewel]

They aren’t god

They aren’t invincible

[coral citrus]

So make up your mind, is being good with LB a 1% skill for the super elite gamer or not?

[clever vessel]

yeah exactly we're only in this situation because one of the main dedicated counters (well i say one, it's an entire class of dedicated counters) is dead in a ditch lmfao

[heady jewel]

I wasn’t talking about that

[coral citrus]

You want me to look at randos playing and getting killed. As if that's representative of anything relevant?

[limpid flame]

you are simply too dumb to converse with

[heady jewel]

That’s the majority of lb players

[coral citrus]

Yeah, exactly, not what you balance around.

Just because some guy can go 0-100 with the vector doesn't mean it didn't need to get nerfeed.

[limpid flame]

0-100 is nerf

yes

-100 kda

amazing player

[limpid flame]

just because some heli player can get 100-0 doesnt mean it needs a nerf

bro you literally dont know what you wanna argue about at all

[desert cove]

APC my beloved😭

[limpid flame]

Vector didnt even get a nerf, it's still good, the only thing you cant do is be AS EFFECTIVE on range with it as you used to

its still very good

[coral citrus]

Damn, getting a range reduction isn't a nerf. Maybe the reason you don't understand what I'm saying is because you're speaking in an entirely different dialect.

[limpid flame]

How was it a nerf if the people that use it can still crank very high kill games

its the skill diff

they know how to use it

they have the aim to use it

they spent HOURS to learn how to aim

it is the same for heli players

we spent HOURS to learn how to use it

if you never want to learn anything new and be better at it

dont talk about 1% people

low trashcans with no skill should not be allowed to talk about balance

[coral citrus]

Alright, we agree that you're allowed to use something and be good with it and also that range reductions aren't nerfs.

So let's reduce the LBs damage range.

It's not a nerf, so you'll still enjoy your skill diff.

[limpid flame]

im all up for it

it doesnt change shit for me

lmao

xD

[coral citrus]

Alright, problem solved. Pack it up everyone.

[limpid flame]

it does not even solve anything but alright lol

[supple mauve]

I mean, it helps

[limpid flame]

what does it help in

how many heli pilots snipe you from range

the people that farm kills are literally in the max range of 100meters

200 is max they'll attempt

[heady jewel]

Anything past that and you won’t hit shit tbh

[limpid flame]

if i get a 300 meter snipe that is just because infantry doesnt even move

my highest was 350m on a sniper laying down

[supple mauve]

Yeah, and range nerf means they have to come closer, thus are in more danger

[limpid flame]

and i attempted it just for shits an giggles

[supple mauve]

seems fine

[heady jewel]

The range most pilots use is enough danger

[limpid flame]

but i just explained that heli pilots are already farming you at 24/7 danger zone

[supple mauve]

No?

[limpid flame]

do you even realize what is 100 meters in battlebit?

100-200 meters

lets be realistic with this

[supple mauve]

Do you even realize how slow the velocity of most guns is?

[limpid flame]

what xd

there are some slow velocity guns yes, but majority feel close to hitscan at that range

m200 is basically hitscan in 200 meter range

[supple mauve]

Okay, I think you seriously need to get out of the lb more often

[limpid flame]

m249 you just have to put your crosshair at the lb and you track it like u have hitscan weapon

im an infantry main myself

[heady jewel]

If this is about shooting the pilot out of the seat then it’s easy

Really easy

[limpid flame]

hmm

??

[supple mauve]

Oh no, it's this thing again 😔 we've aready been over this

[coral citrus]

I'll just keep waiting for the sick LB pilot kills compilation everyone here is saying should be extremely easy to produce

[limpid flame]

already in the works 🙂

[supple mauve]

"just shoot the pilot" 4head

[heady jewel]

It’s a counter

Since they’re apparently invincible

[supple mauve]

Yeah as I said, 4head

You are literally doing the meme

[limpid flame]

people that think its impossible to kill the pilot never played heli

never bothered aiming at the heli

never tried killing

i bet when you get shot at by the LB all you do is lay down and hope they miss

while making yourself an even easier target

you can literally keep ruining and air strafing and LB cant hit you

[supple mauve]

So what you are saying is, just run when the lb attacks you

[limpid flame]

not JUST run in a straight line, do some air strafes and i literally cant hit you at all

[desert cove]

Only smooth brains can think that. Bullet proof glass suggestion wouldn't have hundread upvotes othervise

[limpid flame]

and if the pilot is highly persistent on killing you, that is when he will most likely make a positioning mistake

[supple mauve]

You do know however, as a pilot with 3000+ kills, the miniguns are pinpoint accurate, yes?

[heady jewel]

Hardly

[coral citrus]

Look, we got them to agree that range nerfs will do nothing. Ship that change and we'll see how true that is.

[supple mauve]

yeh, true

[limpid flame]

1. They are not pinpoint accurate as everyone thinks, there is some but there is spread
2. me having to aim also comes at the cost of forcing a movement, if you move a lot, i forfeit my movement
3. it's not that easy to aim as everyone thinks, the crosshair doesnt even aling where the bullets go
4. try hitting someone as infantry when they air strafe like crazy

5, 6k kills, i have seen it all already, skilled infantry players dont die to my

just how it should be

[heady jewel]

I’m hardly ever killed by a lb strafe

[limpid flame]

more than enough they also fight back

[sour swallow]

We deffo need lock on missiles

[desert cove]

Air strafe is very good counter against every vehicles, except a tank, because HE is just frag grenade reskin

[sour swallow]

I think a lot of people would find enjoyment ruining one persons game in turn saving 126 other people’s game

[limpid flame]

yeah

[limpid flame]

that is not the solution to the problem

[sour swallow]

Yes it is

[limpid flame]

might aswell delete helis from the game

[sour swallow]

Nobody likes you guys apart from other pilots

[limpid flame]

oh

really?

xD

[coral citrus]

Grab the LB at game start and crash it, then switch teams :D

[heady jewel]

Imagine lock on missiles in a 127v127 match

They won’t survive

[sour swallow]

Yes obviously if you guys all quit everyone else would be better off for it

If they deleted the Littlebird from the game right this second

Nobody would care

Apart from you guys

[coral citrus]

This is universally true across games tbh. Air is often overtuned and tryhards keep throwing massive fits over the slightest suggestion they might have it too easy.

[supple mauve]

I mean, there's a reason the battlebit devs didn't add jets

[desert cove]

Speak for yourself, I like them, Im not a pilot

[desert cove]

Just like tandem

[desert cove]

Too smal maps,

Mostyl

[sour swallow]

You are in the minority

[desert cove]

Noo, I don't think so

[limpid flame]

i have tons more i just cant send everything here

[sour swallow]

This picture would mean something if we had the levels attached to the players

I also thought Littlebirds were cool in my first few hours

[limpid flame]

and what is your level rn?

[supple mauve]

That's not the reason, the maps are fine for the size

[sour swallow]

Prestige 1 level 150

[limpid flame]

so at prestige 1 lvl 150 you are still crying about the helis

that is crazy to me

lmao

[sour swallow]

I will continue to do so until they get nerfed, then come back to this thread and watch you all cry together

[heady jewel]

You want them nerfed

They aren’t god

[sour swallow]

You guys could create like a final montage that would be epic

[heady jewel]

You can shoot them

A Blackhawk will kill them

Apc

Tank

Heat rockets

[limpid flame]

you are playing conquest, a gamemode with vehicles, where they should be useful

[heady jewel]

Troop fire

[sour swallow]

LAST FLIGHT ON WAKISTAN and it’s just you guys stafing the bridge for 15 minutes

[limpid flame]

if you hate vehicles so much, even if its just heli

[sour swallow]

With some cool music

[limpid flame]

go play frontline

[sour swallow]

And transitions

[limpid flame]

be an infantry scrub

farm your kills with p90 or whatever you use to farm kills with rn

every single one of you would not be happy about battlefield at all lmao

[sour swallow]

“Pro Littlebird Clan DOMINATES Wakistan” that could be the title

[limpid flame]

kinda cute considering 3/4th of the clan skips wakistan

lol

xd

anyways

braindead thread

enjoy your day ladies

[supple mauve]

I like how the littlebird people were the only one insulting other people 👍

[limpid flame]

find me where i insulted you

or anyone else

find me other LB pilots that were insulting someone

[sour swallow]

“Quick skip this one guys, anyway I’m going in the Littlebird first don’t steal it from me, also if you are on the enemy don’t shoot me”

[limpid flame]

find it

[sour swallow]

Peak gameplay right there

[limpid flame]

we do 1v1s if we're opposing eachother

i have literal clanmates trying to kill me if they are on enemy team

[supple mauve]

"Rev0s — Today at 14:43
you are simply too dumb to converse with"

[limpid flame]

it's not an insult

most snowflakey reaction then

im stating a fact

[supple mauve]

"Mokey — Today at 14:29
You are such a jackass Jesus"

[limpid flame]

@golden valley are we toxic to them?

[sour swallow]

Another video idea for you

[limpid flame]

thanks

[heady jewel]

You were saying how the apc isn’t a counter to the littlebird

[limpid flame]

i'll make sure to make a video like this when they add the 2nd littlebird for wakistan 🙂

[golden valley]

where

[heady jewel]

That’s silly

[limpid flame]

look slightly above

is this toxic at all

if it is you have all rights to ban me

[golden valley]

I don't think it's toxic

especially not after all the insults thrown your way

[sour swallow]

Thank god Rev0s you almost got banned right there!

The stakes were high!

[supple mauve]

Huh, they aren't a mod?

[golden valley]

I'm the owner of the clan he is in

[supple mauve]

lol

[golden valley]

the biggest pilot clan in europe

I am also a member of the feedback team so if you want to argue about helicopters talk to me instead.

[limpid flame]

we're never toxic to people, we teach people how to fly, we give tips, we show people ways to counter us

[supple mauve]

I think this thread needs a proper mod cleanup @worthy wave

[limpid flame]

nooo we need to have more msgs than inertia

[sour swallow]

Get the mods in guys

[heady jewel]

So you do this now when the ace pilot enters the chat

[desert cove]

Nope, max 2x2, not enough space for them

[sour swallow]

We need the mods here right neow

[clever vessel]

man this is getting locked isn't it

[golden valley]

then we will get it unlocked

the is a very valuable thread to the feedback team

[worthy wave]

@golden valley, @limpid flame, @sour swallow, @supple mauve:
Please keep the forum post on-topic.

[golden valley]

dont interfere Austin

your presence is not needed as of now

[limpid flame]

isnt this on topic tho

They are giving feedback, we are giving feedback

[golden valley]

you can interfere when we are breaking rules

[worthy wave]

No; Talking about banning people from a clan is not on-topic for a vehicle feedback post.

[golden valley]

it was a response to an accusation

[worthy wave]

It's not up for debate. Stay on topic.

[worthy wave]

DM's exist.

[golden valley]

feel free to go perform moderation duties elsewhere

[heady jewel]

When

[golden valley]

we will go on with the vehicle thread now

[heady jewel]

Woah a slowmode

[golden valley]

mild inconvience at best

[sour swallow]

Grote Glon undermining Austin you hate to see it

[golden valley]

completely uncalled for

[limpid flame]

this is feedback then?

[golden valley]

so, people here were arguing about helicopters, c'mon let me hear it

[worthy wave]

So stay on-topic. If messages are flying by, it's harder to moderate, which is why slowmode has been implemented. Arguing with me or tell me it's unnecessary doesn't help much when the very people you were talking with clearly saw a need for a mod's assistance, pinged me, and accepted my response when I gave it.

[heady jewel]

Apparently an apc isn’t a counter to a littlebird

[sour swallow]

I just feel you have ruined the thread with your oppressive nature and undermining a moderator

[heady jewel]

💀

[clever vessel]

honestly, as it is, it's not a very effective counter at all

[golden valley]

by implementing a slowmode you are actively undermining the efforts of the feedback team by making it harder to converse, please remove it and I am sure someone will ping you if things go off the rails

[limpid flame]

i want to hear valuable ways to balance the vehicular combat of the game cmon guys

[golden valley]

it is

[sour swallow]

Anyway back to the feedback:

Step 1 - Delete Littlebird from the game

Step 2 - LB Pilots cry for a bit then leave

Step 3 - Everyone else has a better time

[clever vessel]

both because of how apcs are encouraged to stay far back - i.e. be out of range of huge sections of the map - and the weird amounts of inaccuracy it has

[golden valley]

I don't really care about the moderator, I care about the helicopters being discussed

[clever vessel]

the littlebird isn't even a remotely major problem, even if it is a problem

[heady jewel]

Why are you people acting like it’s so strong?

Like it’s the apc of the air

It isn’t

[sour swallow]

It is an undeniable fact though that if you surveyed the player base nobody would care if it was removed apart from the pilots

[clever vessel]

look let's get it out of the way even when the LB is dealing a hundred kills o deaths it has no impact like the rest of the vehicles in the game and the only reason it has notoriety is because it's the only vehicle currently versatile enough to be oppressive (which is a markedly good thing in conquest)

[golden valley]

its a glass cannon and is only as good as its user

[heady jewel]

AA was in bf5 and I swear to god you couldn’t do shit without getting shot down by that thing

[clever vessel]

oh do kinda agree that it'd be nice for dedicated AA vehicles/higher angles for 7m/lav autocannon

[golden valley]

haha, realistically that would become the littlebird of the floor and be mostly used on infantry

how would you all feel about something like this

[sour swallow]

Yes that’s the idea it locks off a part of the map

[sour swallow]

Bro wtf is that

[golden valley]

static map objective, could be destroyed and repaired

[heady jewel]

You mean all of the map

[sour swallow]

You get to do barrel rolls and we get a single barrel gun

We need big ass AA vehicle with hella guns

[golden valley]

that is an AA gun, if you really didn't know that you probably shouldnt be talking about aa at all

[heady jewel]

That’s overboard

[golden valley]

no lol

[sour swallow]

That things tiny we need the good stuff

[clever vessel]

and i'mma go soon but like: can we dispense with the whole 'oh my god the littlebird is such a uniquely horrible thing' bro this whole game is currently a deeply imbalanced early access game that needs severe reworks yall antagonizing other people just having fun with the game ain't doing anyone good

[golden valley]

that thing shoots 30mm's of armor piercing death

[sour swallow]

Or we add g-force to the game so the pilots pass out if you pull a hard turn

[heady jewel]

Just because you got murdered by a few good pilots doesn’t mean you should make the rest of lb pilots non existent

[clever vessel]

shit like this is as bad as 'skill issue' for useful feedback

[coral citrus]

Ooh thanks for letting me know that one really touched ya. :D

Anyway, to summarize:

1. Nobody who is being sincere would suggest that the APC, with its slow projectile velocity, high spread and limited turret elevation, can counter LB. And any buff to that end would hurt the BH which is already relatively easy to take down. Largely the same applies to tanks, any buff to them will just hurt BH far more than LB. And that shouldn't be their role anyway.
2. Adding any other AA specific tool will incur in the same dynamic as above. It's overkill and would demand more dev resources anyway.
3. A simple way to adjust LB to give players an easier time fighting back is to pull back its damage range (which @limpid flame is onboard with since he claims it will do absolutely nothing, but any of y'all can do a quick search on youtube to see for yourselves which ranges the most egregious killstreaks are happening over).

[sour swallow]

Yeah sick bet it will be easy to land a shot on the upside down chopper

[sour swallow]

They could get a different helicopter let me find one

[clever vessel]

is its damage range that major?

[golden valley]

you want everything to be easy?

[desert cove]

8k kills on APC here, if you can't at least send LB burning to the base when you see one, you shouldn't even enter APC in the first place. Shooting down BH is seal clubbing, LB is only slightly harder

[limpid flame]

finally some proper feedback man

but APCs are not too hard to getting any heli out of the game

[sour swallow]

10k on APC here I think you are lying sorry

[heady jewel]

Apc is a huge counter to a helicopter

[limpid flame]

💀

[golden valley]

send screen of stats rn

[limpid flame]

this guy lmao

[clever vessel]

(me dying as my capacity to gauge and lead shots is nonexistent) apc could do with a bit of a wider view angle though

[sour swallow]

Nope 12k on APC here I know what I’m talking about

[heady jewel]

Can you quit with your bullshit?

[clever vessel]

this is just trolling at this point

[sour swallow]

Only if you quit the game

Stay on topic please 🙏

Feedback continue

[desert cove]

Oh? 10k? Proff pretty please, I can deliver mine in like 2h, currently out of the house

[heady jewel]

We can’t take you seriously when you can’t even get your kills right. You said 10k and now it’s 12k, which is it

[sour swallow]

Also why is it all helicopter pilots here giving feedback on helicopter

[limpid flame]

Drzewny was playing this game before you even knew of battlebit and even more.

[golden valley]

because we have a unique perspective

[heady jewel]

You’re also suggesting absurd counters

[golden valley]

yup

[clever vessel]

yeah screw it this isn't going anywhere you're just out to annoy everyone and provide zero useful feedback whatsoever

[sour swallow]

I’m not here to annoy anyone

[heady jewel]

You are

[golden valley]

@worthy wave maybe remove the troll from the thread? he is harming to topic

[sour swallow]

What I do on this forum is actually skillful sorry if you aren’t prepared to dedicate the time to learning what to write on these forums

[limpid flame]

@worthy wave broski is just trolling at this point uwu

[clever vessel]

gonna go do something actually useful with my time

[desert cove]

APC main since febuary 2023

[worthy wave]

you might have to be more specific, there's a lot of people going back and forth with subpar points in here

[sour swallow]

Austin get in here right neow the pilots are upset with my ideas

[golden valley]

@sour swallow

[heady jewel]

Suggesting adding g force to helicopters is silly

That isn’t skillful

[golden valley]

@sour swallow is actively trolling and harming the topic

[heady jewel]

There’s enough counters to helicopter

[sour swallow]

You black out when you crash in a helicopter it fits the game

[heady jewel]

You do not need a tank who’s soul purpose is to shoot them down

[worthy wave]

Removing someone from a thread/post doesn't do a lot anyway because they can just come back and send more messages and join again.

Just so ya know

[heady jewel]

Because you fucking crashed

[golden valley]

they could, hopefully its discouraging enough

[sour swallow]

Thank you Austin they are trying to silence me

They are afraid of my ideas

[desert cove]

Yeah, and second seat with MG

[heady jewel]

We are trying to silence your silly opinions

[sour swallow]

They know it’s joever for them once the Flakpanzer gets added

[golden valley]

otherwise its circumventing a moderators punishment which would probably be elidgable for a time-out, that's if you ignore the rules he's already breaking ofc

[coral citrus]

I wish they'd just let the people inside shoot through the slits. That's kind of their whole point.

[sour swallow]

Wanting to add the Flakpanzer is breaking rules

[heady jewel]

No but it’s stupid

[golden valley]

don't try to weasel out of it now

[sour swallow]

No it’s not

[supple mauve]

That's rich of someone defending his buddies from breaking rule 1 of the server

[worthy wave]

James I will just mute you though, I can do that, so don't think you are immune.

[clever vessel]

he's literally been posting nonstop memes christ

[sour swallow]

Austin I would like to apologise for my actions

[golden valley]

defending who from what

[desert cove]

Nah, transporting players in APC is pointless on arcade. Helis and spawn system make it obsolete, same for boat

[heady jewel]

Rpgs,tanks, gun fire!

[desert cove]

Firing ports are nice idea, but a gimmick

[clever vessel]

can we just move on from this shit ass convo it's even worse than the inf sweat bullshit

[golden valley]

ong

[heady jewel]

Those are MORE than enough to take one down

[sour swallow]

Back to feedback guys

[limpid flame]

APCs just needs dedicated MGs ong

[clever vessel]

even then, would be nice

[heady jewel]

Shhh

[desert cove]

Yeah, but the question is if it's worth time to implement

[limpid flame]

and the stupid reload mechanics is dumb af

[sour swallow]

Okay what if

[heady jewel]

James tell me how adding a tank who’s soul purpose is to kill helicopters is balanced? Especially with the 6 other counters

[sour swallow]

And hear me out guys

[limpid flame]

handbrake in APC is an urban legend aswell

[sour swallow]

We don’t add any vehicles

[clever vessel]

honestly i'd consider it on the level of qol changes ngl, it's kind of like stabilizer and what not - maybe it doesn't help that much, but it still makes the experience better in general

[heady jewel]

Make it make sense to me

[limpid flame]

you could prolly drift with it lmao

@worthy wave cmon bro he is literally undermining this whole feedback channel by clowning every single one of us

[heady jewel]

Now you are just bullshiting

Get the hell out

[sour swallow]

Okay sorry that was a bad idea

[heady jewel]

“Guys let’s add fucking mechs to this modern shooter”

[desert cove]

True, but you need code, model, ui for that, and what it gives? A funny little gameplay for 15 minutes untill you get bored and barely a incentive to use APC as a transport

[sour swallow]

I’m just offering another perspective since there are a lot of pilots in this thread

[limpid flame]

🙏

[sour swallow]

We could add g-force though but you were against that

[clever vessel]

yeah, definitely would be something we'd expect after much larger scale reworks tbh

[heady jewel]

No one wants that!

No one

[sour swallow]

It would be good to stop the backflips!

Only pilots don’t want it but it would slow them down!

[worthy wave]

ironically you just added him back to it by pinging him in reply. don't ping him

[sour swallow]

I lived

[worthy wave]

james

leave

[sour swallow]

Also I’m actually giving feedback now

G-force is a genuine idea

[worthy wave]

nah i think that ship has sailed

[sour swallow]

Austin you gotta believe me

Don’t let them win I’m doing this for the people

[worthy wave]

no, i'm gonna time you out from the whole server if you don't leave

[sour swallow]

Austin don’t do it

[worthy wave]

i'm doing it

[sour swallow]

Don’t

[clever vessel]

and speaking of qol updates i'm fine consigning to 'the extreme far future' - alternate thermals would be nice

[sour swallow]

Errr actually guys I think LB is in a really good spot right now!

No nerfs needed!

[desert cove]

How low did we fall, getting slow mode, like fucking bbr-eng

For fuck sake

[clever vessel]

yeah

jesus christ

[limpid flame]

@desert cove Do you think APC would benefit from having MG for the driver or a separate seat for that

[desert cove]

Both.

[worthy wave]

He's timed out now

[clever vessel]

thanks austin

we'll try to keep it civil here

[desert cove]

For the driver is a minimal requirement for any vehicle. Second seat is helpfull, gives another person a funn way to play, promotes team work, and helps with APC terrible awerness

Also helps bridge tremendous gap between tank and APC, tank should be better, but not that much better while more forgiving and easier to use

[limpid flame]

one day i dreamed of APCs being actually useful as a team vehicle

[desert cove]

You can dream

[limpid flame]

i envisioned working main gun, MGs to help fight off infantry(cause it's an IFV) and working handbrake

then i woke up

[desert cove]

Yeah, that's a wet dream for me

[clever vessel]

me dreaming of apcs that are fully autonomous and can serve consistently as an effective troop carrier:

[limpid flame]

ohno it's so hard to snipe out the pilot

[tame wyvern]

+1

[thorn verge]

@sour swallow add lock ons

[worthy wave]

Don't @ him in here, it is re-adding him to the post.

[tame wyvern]

like i cant type @sour swallow ?

that will add him back?

[clever vessel]

does this guy have a clan or something

[heady jewel]

You did it again

[limpid flame]

already knew james is from 244hz

preva will keep adding him back

[thorn verge]

preva go away we r talking serious business here bud

[tame wyvern]

bro that sounds crazy. imagine i would actually do that

[limpid flame]

yeah get the whole clan here

[clever vessel]

sigh @worthy wave sorry to add you in again, james has troll friends trying to carry it on

[thorn verge]

make btr breaks better

b4 u remove these guys for trolling

[clever vessel]

oh yeah btr brakes need to freakin work

[limpid flame]

ghoul is with them aswell

[thorn verge]

just cuz im in the clan dosnt mean im trolling wth

[worthy wave]

Added time to James' and increased time for "preva" too.

[limpid flame]

im not saying you deserve to get kicked from the thread

not yet

[thorn verge]

idc bout ur helis all the pilots suck as soon as u start moving

[worthy wave]

It doesn't matter, keep the Post on-topic please. I will handle any issues.

[limpid flame]

besides im not a mod, austin will do his thingy

[thorn verge]

just make btr break better

[graceful void]

Jfc wtf happened here

[worthy wave]

people trolling

[desert cove]

We have fallen, we've got slow moded😭

It's over, all credibility was lost

Now we are another thread treated like shit post

[worthy wave]

it's 5 seconds

[rancid hound]

what

[graceful void]

test

[desert cove]

Doesn't matter, 5s or 30s

It's joever

[rancid hound]

mfw when mods interfered: it's joever

bro how come a 120mm HE shell has the same blast radius as a fucking grenade lmao??? I understand it's "balancing" but christ kill cap is enough

[desert cove]

Buff he or nerf nades?

[rancid hound]

nah no just extend the radius

kill cap is fine

ye my dude and grenades liquify people faster than autocannons 💀

where's my fucking "vehicle meta"

[desert cove]

Yeah, grenades are very good, and no one cares to use trophy

And yet people will go to die on Waki bridge, as if they didn't know how it ends

[rancid hound]

vehicles when not Waki: "fine"
vehicles when Waki: "nerf"

wow truly an argument

[desert cove]

Good thing is that people stopped saying troll shit about them

Now mostly LB is target of trolls

Unless you are decimal

[supple mauve]

"People critical of lbs going 100 - 0 are trolls"

[desert cove]

Mostly because it's not a problem. And unlike a pre nerf vector, it's not a wider topic.

[supple mauve]

Just because you disagree doesn't mean they are trolls.

[desert cove]

Hard to find a mention of this problem on Aus or Eu communities

It looks like only few people are pushing this narrative on dc

And mostly from NA

[supple mauve]

How do you know where I am from?

Also, a really weird argument anyway, as if one region knows how to deal with lbs while another one doesn't

[desert cove]

Idk, i m just saying what I see. You not being NA doesn't change that. I said "mostly"

[rancid hound]

look man the idea that you'd add stinger to counter a little fucking metal coffin that can't be used properly by less than 1% of the playerbase is hilarious

[golden estuary]

Speak for yourself. It's recognised on AU

[supple mauve]

Show me where I said I wanted stinger

or any lock on weapon

[rancid hound]

no I'm talking about general

any AA is stupid currently

[supple mauve]

there are plenty of people critical of lbs who know of other ways for balancing besides adding lock on weapons.

[golden estuary]

All more weight to LB, reduce minigun accuracy or give it falloff

[desert cove]

I literally went around and asked AUS, and was met with "meh" response

[rancid hound]

helis don't need nerf, just need extra capabilities to engage it

helis in general not just LB

[supple mauve]

Okay, I went around and asked AUS, and people agreed that people can become too oppressive with it

[golden estuary]

I went around and asked AUS, and was met with a "LB op" response

[desert cove]

Wierd then

[supple mauve]

Sure, that's okay then

[desert cove]

But fair enough

[rancid hound]

my guy blackhawk is annoying as fuck

you fucking hit it for 47 damage and engis repair them 24/7

fucking gunship

[golden estuary]

Just hit the tail duh can't fix that

[rancid hound]

as if you would...

you aim for the center mass when dealing with flying things not weakspots

[supple mauve]

Blackhawk can be strong, but at least it requires teamwork and since it it slower, sniping it with a tank actually becomes viable

[rancid hound]

dealing with blackhawk in a tank is a pain in the butt

no rewards for hitting it

[desert cove]

The only thing annoying in BH is that tail rotoring doesn't alwasy give assists

[desert cove]

Rockets flying past me, totally missing. I still take damage

Definetly skill issue on my part /s

And being one shotted by one guy is also skill isue/s

WHO THE HELL HAD THIS BRILIANT IDEA TO MAKE APC ONE SHOT

2 tandems to kill was hard to play against earlier

[winged adder]

tandem can't even hit past 200m, and has difficulty even at 100

stop driving apcs into unsecured streets

[frigid cloak]

Fix APCs then

[limpid flame]

Nothing is secure in this game because there is always someone constantly flanking, on top of that tandems do have actual longer usable range, you Just gotta learn how, which is not that hard. 2nd issue is that there is so many players in the game, thus fuckton of possible tandems available

[frigid cloak]

Those are rolling coffins with some offensive capabilities

[limpid flame]

It does not allow by design for vehicles for actual combat

There is also C4 being a thing alongside tandems

[rancid hound]

even without tandems every fucking person has c4

[limpid flame]

But Drzewny already explained it like 4 times

[frigid cloak]

Adding a coaxial machine gun to the APC and a turret gunner and maybe some of those panels that makes the rpg to detonate before contact with the APCs would be a nice addition

[rancid hound]

fix the steering too 🙏

[frigid cloak]

Like you can actually fight and defend yourself when getting jump by a whole squad

Same with the tanks

[rancid hound]

tanks can at least survive a tandem, though if you get jumped by lunatics with c4 you’re cooked

[frigid cloak]

30 rounds in the coaxial ain't shit when defending yourself

[desert cove]

Man, if you can't hit with tandem that's on you. You can hit with it moving targets from moving helis, there are few guys that post videos of that.
The whole argumet of "tandem is hard to use" is just cover for lack of skill. There is a reason why it competes with C4 as the best AT tool, with most kills

It definitely outperforms HEAT or any other AT

[rancid hound]

heat is pretty shit against vehicles for the most part unless its a lil bird maybe

[desert cove]

Not to mention that using it beloe 70m is guaranteed hit, unless you try to miss

[frigid cloak]

I use heat cuz more rounds plus I like to shoot at buildings the moment I spot a sniper

[wide relic]

People bitching about apc haven’t found a problem wit them it’s always when I push to far in that I’m in trouble

[rancid hound]

i use heat because it looks cool

[frigid cloak]

Tandem is good but not my vibe

[desert cove]

Heat is very good, unless you shoot a tank from the front. 40 dmg to apc is more than enough, and have mkre utility than that

[wide relic]

Tandem is great against vehicles makes me laugh tho it takes the same ammount for tanks an lb

[desert cove]

Man, I am "bitching" about them from the late February, when armour gameplay was much more bearable. They are just a hot mess with lack of identity. Not a transport, not a IFV, hard to use but not a glass cannon. Outperformed by a tank, but harder to use.

What is its role?(not troop transport, no one is using it for that, at best glorified squad rally), what is it purpose?What should it be good at? What should it offer to a player? What should make it different?

[rancid hound]

pea shooter

we gotta have a piece of shit for no reason

The apc is basicallt just a worse humvee with a mounted gun

[wide relic]

There’s a reason y people bitch about them in rl to

[frigid cloak]

I tend to forget that the game in early access

[desert cove]

"in rl"

[frigid cloak]

Just hope that the vehicle get fixed in some point

[wide relic]

Troop carrier may put gun ports in back of apc for passengers

[rancid hound]

APC = Armored Personnel Carrier
Nobody rides on it
IFV = Infantry Fighting Vehicle
They can't fight infantry

call them anything is correct except these 2

[rancid hound]

ill call it an ICV
Identity Crisis Vehicle

true

[frigid cloak]

RCH

[wide relic]

Buddy of my mine was from a Stryker birgade had nothin good to say about them

[frigid cloak]

Rolling Coffin's of Hell

[desert cove]

Still no incentive imo. I would gladly pick heli for it's speed or squad spawn for convinience. Even firing port minigame won't make me use them as inf

[rancid hound]

buddy I understand APCs aren't supposed to be strong but a Stryker has a fucking 50 cal

[desert cove]

Becouse it's Stryker💀

Not CV90

[rancid hound]

unless your bud is from the 101st then they may have the MGS version

[desert cove]

Or bradley

[wide relic]

Ya 50 cal barely doin any damage gets me up

[frigid cloak]

Adding and IFV or MGS would be sick

[rancid hound]

Strykers are better than any of those APCs irl

[desert cove]

Or VCBI, Warrior, Rosomak, Marder,

[frigid cloak]

And would work since half of the Jeeps just never get used

[rancid hound]

Literally any wheeled APCs can swim, not just the LAV

[desert cove]

stryker is at best medicore, wierd choice for US army

They have bradleys ffs

[wide relic]

O they are the devs just ported them in wrong if that how they wanted them

[rancid hound]

they don't need to put a fucking autocannons on every vehicles, the US specifically made them so they're APCs, just carry troops, not a fucking infantry fighting vehicles

[frigid cloak]

Or bigger transport trucks like the Ura or LMTVl

[rancid hound]

the MGS was there because airborne has no tank

[desert cove]

APC's (IFVs to be honest) are literaly cheap copy from Squad. And are much worse

[rancid hound]

weird choice now they add the booker

[desert cove]

Still they are better choices than Stryker imo

[rancid hound]

Strykers are perfect for the APCs role, only dipshit will take it to a fight with BTRs in Squad

[desert cove]

Any wheeled IFV without turret is better, BOXER, Rosomak

[rancid hound]

anyone know you don't face a BMP or BTR in Squad and call it a win unless you missile em first

[rancid hound]

BTR turret is already small as fuck in game, no thanks

T90 is smaller

[desert cove]

We schould get MRAP's soon-ish

[rancid hound]

yet same stats as Abrams, fair as hell

[desert cove]

They will be better than APC's for sure

[rancid hound]

Don't add every fucking vehicles and call it better bruh

[desert cove]

Larry should just upscale it

[rancid hound]

nah no just make Abrams tankier

[desert cove]

Assymetry is bad in arcade games, especially when only on one type of vehicle

[rancid hound]

upscale is a dipshit move, remove the authenticity. Don't just ruin reality for "balancing"

[desert cove]

bad idea

Throws balance out the window, in Detroit, and then spits on it

[rancid hound]

my man Vilaskis decides to copy real life and call it balancing

[wind cosmos]

I think they should add an APS system just like the antigrenade trophy

[rancid hound]

Lonovo is definitely inspired by his hometown

[desert cove]

true, post soviet flats everywhere

[rancid hound]

the only thing missing is the Ladas around the map that we can drive

Bud should probably add that for authenticity

[desert cove]

I literaly seen lonovo like city irl

I live in one, at leats in one whit such districts

it sucks lol

[rancid hound]

it's just Grozny

[rancid hound]

ok let's not spiral this down to a political discussion...

[desert cove]

That's just aescethic and worksmanship

Urban planning isn't that bad

Better than US suburbs

God I hate tensa

[rancid hound]

pretty sure tensa is downscaled American suburb

[desert cove]

Yeah, that's why it sucks

[rancid hound]

they don't even have 2 lanes

the cars are as wide as your average characters

[desert cove]

You can't improve that shit, even if you try

[rancid hound]

@desert cove literally no difference to Lonovo

"vehicles are fine"

ye no they get sniped from windows thanks to shitty map designs, truly a peak design

Chechen move hits hard

[torpid elk]

Vehicles in battlebit are playing the same way helicopter doctrine has shifted due to manpad availability. Sit far at the back under the support of allied forces and utilize your weapons at extreme range.

If you are in front of the rest of your forces it means you are much more likely to be flying over territory that might have a guy hiding behind or in a rock, building, or tree sudenly decide to say hello to you with a missile

[desert cove]

All and good but that's literally promoting camping and not PTFO, idk like you but I want to contribute more, and for arcade game that level of "realistic" use of vehicles isn't kinda fun

And people don't like campers anyway, so why promoting that?

[torpid elk]

My point is oki didnt think about the consequences of weapon availability

[desert cove]

Oh definetly

Or he intended to make it such

Who knows...

[torpid elk]

I think it is much more likely he didnt consider the consequences. It explains a bunch of deficits in gameplay in other areas

Vehicles absolutely dominate when you only have a dozen or so players on each team. Tanks were overwhelming in that voxel mode because there were so few players (so very few antivehicle threats) and the ground was wide and open (no places for threats to hide and the tank can shoot pretty much anyone anywhere)

[desert cove]

But conq, especially 254 is a pollar oposite of that

So the design is kind of fucked up

For example, on 254, APC is unplayable imo, after recent update.
On 128 it is, but somewhat harder then on 254 month ago.
On 64 idk, no one plays it

[cedar ember]

BH tail rotor needs to not be one hit.
Then add in countermeasures and anti air

[desert cove]

Tail rotor good

AA bad, destroying all helis is easy enough alredy

I would say that BH is to tanky

[cedar ember]

A huge difference between the BH and LB though. It takes a lot of pooole with good teamwork to make a scary BH.
We don't want to punish that.

Any time you have 6 players working together on the same task, the result SHOULD be deadly

[magic ingot]

Yeah I’m fine with BH gunboat as is, minus tail rotor. It’s too easily destroyed and doesn’t credit the APC shooting it down properly either, you at most get assist as kill assuming they all magically give up, you aren’t credited with a vehicle destroyed bonus, engineer doesn’t get the 2.5x paycheck

The only time I got full credit is they somehow crashed in blue zone where noone was able to get out alive in time, 10 kills made a pretty… crispy sound I’ll say that much

[rancid hound]

idk i got 1k points for hitting a tail rotor before

it specifically said “rotor destroyed” or something like thay

[desert cove]

Yeah, that's all. You get assists if fall dealt 75% of hp, and kills if fall killed them.

Tail rotor should be harder to do 2/3 shots, but should definitely auto tag for assist

Both players and vehicle(when implemented)

[thorny mason]

just me or is the little bird l-armor damage buff a bit too much?

seems like it was tuned specifically to deal with the big birds but the small transports suffer a lot to the armed littlebirds

was just playing on tensa and a solid pilot was just at our spawn hunting down exiting vehicles, couldn't really get past first point without having to go back and repair after just a few dinks

[desert cove]

Yeah, it's too much. Even the biggest LB sweats I know say so

[shut crescent]

i swear to god half of the problems with LB can be fixed by giving its guns a small ammount of dispertion. it makes no sense that the same miniguns that are mounted to the doors of the BH have NONE while the actual door guns cant hit the side of a fucking barn despite having half the dps of a good lb pilot.

you shouldn't be able to sit at max alth and rain down super precise minigun shots but adding a small amount of desperation would even HELP less skilled players

[elder heath]

while the actual door guns cant hit the side of a fucking barn despite having half the dps of a good lb pilot.
i suddenly feel alot better about my door gunner aim

[shut crescent]

i mean if the pilot is flying right (trying to heep the transport heli alive and not getting sniped by tanks) its normally quite hard to get a kill cause your never get close to enemy infantry unless you want a tandem to kill the heli or to get shot out.

[magic ingot]

Not even sure if lb needs to be bh hunter in first place, tank AP rounds can hit BH pretty reliably due to BH having mid maneuverability

[desert cove]

BH really needs buffs, especially tail rotor, rate of climb and maneuverability less, but still

For the cost of HP, which it has too much

[magic ingot]

That I agree with, it takes tank more than 2 ap shells to shoot down (each is only 47%)

It should really just be 2 shells downed

[desert cove]

yeah

And 4 HEAT rpg

BH takes more AT to destroy than a fucking APC

Tandem is one shot, but good lack hitting it

[shut crescent]

1 heat shell SHOULD destroy or heavily damage a heli

small arms should struggle to do so

(for the BH anyway)*

[desert cove]

Before HP buff, one AP dealt 70 dmg

[unique jackal]

Add some dispersion to LB guns to force good pilots to fly closer to target and also make it easier for new pilots to target infantry. If still a “problem” consider other balance changes

[shut crescent]

the BH guns are allready shit

the BH is transport heli

[unique jackal]

Crap I meant LB

[shut crescent]

all good

[desert cove]

It will always be "a problem". You can find people unironicly whining that fucking APC is too strong

Some people just will whine

[unique jackal]

^ yeah. I personally don’t have a problem with LB, but more so providing an option that doesn’t completely destroy the one vehicle in the game that feels worthwhile to play

(like adding freaking stingers)

[desert cove]

It's sad that it's only balanced, and good vehicle, yet people want to nerf it

[desert cove]

Fuck them

[unique jackal]

Im fine changing the LB in a way that 200 or 150-0 games are much harder to get, but doesn’t impact the vehicle for the average player. But im not calling for a nerf

[limpid flame]

Forcing The LB closer is not a good idea considering how easy it is to kill a pilot

But what do I know

Not a bad idea tho, maybe in a different tone

I'd rather see buffs to other vehicles than changes to LB

While they need them, it will be much harder to fix LB than to fix other vehicles

Cause the primary issue with LB stems from the game's physics engine And how it is able To fly, besides the general community of this game is just too bad to even know they can kill the LB pilot easily

And as you said, it is a fairly balanced vehicle already.

I highly advocate on reverting the L armor damage buff

LBs should only be a tool to Punish infantry

If oki wants a vehicle to be able to fight other vehicles at same/similar level, better for him to add an attack heli than make the LB a jack of all trades thus making it get even more hate

Besides as I said, other vehicles need buffs/reworks way more than LB needs

rest in pepperoni APC

[desert cove]

Problem is, LB doesn't have any impact on vehicles that matters, except BH. But it's extremely good against inf

So nerf to it accuracy may be the best option

Anyways, I want to share my controversial opinion.

LB isn't highest skill celling vehicle in the game. Tank is.

[wide relic]

I’d sacrifice a lot for stingers ngl . Or the guns on vehicles doin actual damage wit different calibers

[vague flint]

I'd like a designator on the leader class / tank spotter seat and some lgms on the apc

Spread on the lb would be nice too

[golden estuary]

After stealing the enemy tank yesterday and shooting from spawn for the entire game. One way around it giving a perma advantage would be to restrict the repair/rearm of enemy team vehicles. This is especially apparent for maps like isle.

[worthy wave]

continuing? again?

[royal citrus]

ciws for anti air

[limpid flame]

what a bunch of clowns

[wide relic]

Is that what I think it is

[clever vessel]

haiz @worthy wave sorry-- i think he ain't learning

[sour swallow]

I got pinged back in sorry

[desert cove]

Definitely better one than fucking missles for everyone

[sour swallow]

What did you guys come up with in the end

What was the most agreeable idea

[heady jewel]

Not missiles for everyone

[sour swallow]

That’s all you guys came up with

[heady jewel]

Changes/buffs to other vehicles and to not change the lb

[golden estuary]

LB defs need tuning. Thing has 0 weight and 100 percent accuracy

[tame wyvern]

Add TOW as a gadget for engineers, ez

[sour swallow]

You’re just bad you can easily shoot the pilots with sniper takes like one attempt and one shot

JUST SAY YOU’RE BAD AND MOVE ON

[golden estuary]

Inb4 removed for skill issue.

[heady jewel]

That’s what someone suggested

It wasn’t my idea😔

[sour swallow]

Wow really the clown emoji

[golden estuary]

"Can kill LB easily" barrel rolling upside down flying LB that runs off to heal the moment they get grazed.

@worthy wave maybe it's time to remove them for good

[sour swallow]

It would be justifiable to remove me

Comments are being deleted though which is a shame

[worthy wave]

i know, which is why you're getting timed out again

guess learning isn't really your thing

[sour swallow]

The return of the king

Austin I kneel

https://tenor.com/view/vegeta-kneel-aiiieee-gif-25204089

See you guys tomorrow

[golden estuary]

Also, idk if it's just me or do the windshield/windows of cars not confer the same damage resistance as heli glass

[clever vessel]

that's correct they do none

might be wrong but yeah i think they do none

[golden estuary]

Maybe they should 😂

[tame wyvern]

Cus normal vehicles like GasTiger dont even have a windshield or glass to begin with?

[clever vessel]

torn on this one because i feel like it appropriately fits the low cost high volume of the humvee

[eager needle]

@clever vessel has earned the Tier I Member role!

[clever vessel]

maybe on the 7m humvee

[golden estuary]

Yeah on the remote and manual turret ones at least

[rancid hound]

where's my airburst 120mm shell

I'm tired of hitting blackhawk for nothing

[limpid flame]

I think

Vehicles should be able to be customized

The platform of a vehicle being able to be customized in couple different ways giving it different roles

But its a 3 man dev team wohoo

So worth it in the long run wohoo

[wide relic]

They don’t it’s why if ur usin the remote turret I’ll shoot u through the windshield if no explosives

[golden estuary]

Yeah I've to always drive the gun jeep in reverse lmao

And the rear view while driving Jeeps is kinda limited.

[wide relic]

There is no rear view mirror u just got side mirrors

[tulip ibex]

Its an armored vehicle.. and it should be armored becuase its a transport

Nobody is going to take blackhawk if you can shoot it down pretty easily

and theyre crucial for conquest

[coral citrus]

Can we make the same argument for the jeep for the love of god it's such a meme

[tulip ibex]

Its not really the same.. they are just taking space

i think thats the problem

and spawm timer is really low comapred to BH

[coral citrus]

As in not being useful? Possibly because you can't use them anywhere close to a real fight without instantly getting shot out...

[tulip ibex]

yeah the only thing its not making it useful are the windshileds in jeeps

Humvees should take ak rounds easy

[coral citrus]

yee

[tulip ibex]

RPGs it should be 1 shot

[desert cove]

That's fucking stupid idea

What else? Maigc hit scan osk gun?

[tulip ibex]

Would be nice if the choppers had flares

but otherwise no..

stupid

No counterplay

[desert cove]

Flares do shit against laser/wire guided rockets

[tulip ibex]

yeah well heatseeking then -_-

[desert cove]

IR missles are a big NO NO

[golden estuary]

Lock ons would dumpster average pilots, even if it hinders top pilots.

[desert cove]

There is a place for ATGMs if vehicles were to be reworked with thier implementation in mind, and they would be limited to vehicles and fuck tone of squad points

[golden estuary]

So it's not about having ground countering air. But reducing the ability of air to overwhelmingly oppress ground.

[coral citrus]

Can people also be real for a second and understand that this tiny dev team is not going to implement a whole new class of weaponry just to see if it works out?
The only thing anyone can be realistically asking for right now is a numbers tweak to damage/falloff/spread/velocity. Changing vehicle physics might also be attempted but even getting that right is non-trivial.

[golden estuary]

They got BH's handling pretty good.

So it's not outside their strike zone to increase LB's weight.

[desert cove]

Imo, better rate of climb and some better maneuverability/responsivenes would be good

All vehicles must be more responsive tbh

10s of accelerating to even start moving whan on inclanation bigger than 1° is a joke

[golden estuary]

LB is too responsive. Making it more would be ridiculous.

BH is fine for me but a bit more agile to fit BBR's pace wouldn't hurt.

Cuz it handles like arma-lite

[desert cove]

Not LB, every other one

Maybe not squad and PWC

But APC and tanks are big offenders here

Make them drive like in BF4 for God sake

[coral citrus]

Tanks aren't in the best spot but APCs, my god, it feels like you're driving a bouncy castle

[golden estuary]

Yeah apc brakes/reverse and the weight/physics is oof

Not being able to view vehicle hp is also jank. Especially for helis cuz you move faster and away from the smoke/fire. Can't tell unless you hover.

At least with armour you know you're about to die cuz you took 2 RPGs

Or just instant death from c4 😂

[earnest ocean]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/904059795047317624/1143938686082371667/Studio_Project_V1.gif

[desert cove]

Even squad allows for that lmao

A milsim game

[desert cove]

As it should be

[earnest ocean]

see helicopter, shoot up air like a monkey

[desert cove]

Works

[wide relic]

What if they did flares for helis for lock on can’t for certain amount of seconds plus cooldown for it

[desert cove]

Sitll bad fucking idea

No need for AA

Especially guided missles

[wide relic]

Agree di disagree Aa needs to be put in

[shut crescent]

to do what?

still not hit good LB players and make the BH worse than shit?

[desert cove]

Just look at what APC is capable of doing. Taking down LB is hard, unless pilot is bad. But taking down BH is just too easy

And now give this shit to every fucking player, just like tandem

And no one self respecing player would fly on 254

[rancid hound]

my brother in christ....

let's use your argument: "because it's a transport, it should be armored"
Jeep? APC? RHIB? Where's my fucking armor?

and let's see what common threats the Blackhawks are designed for:
-Small arm fire
-Autocannon (23mm AA)
Why should it tank a fucking tank round?

[rancid hound]

did you just say that unironically

[desert cove]

I like that you used APC as an example of unarmoured transport

it checks out

[rancid hound]

checkmate Blackhawk dick sucker

[desert cove]

Over penetration?

[rancid hound]

HE:

It can't even damage the people inside let alone damaging the heli

[desert cove]

Tail rotor?

[rancid hound]

"overpenetration" would be useless when dealing with any vehicles smaller than a tank

there's a reason WT logic doesn't apply here

[desert cove]

Fair enough

[rancid hound]

HE fucking sucks when dealing with people inside vehicles, awesome

devs be like: you can shoot the inside, but explode them? No place for you

[cedar ember]

Re: enemy vehicles - if you are able to capture an enemy point, steel a vehicle and escape with it, its on the opposing team that they now need to deal with an extra tank firing on them.
We shouldn't hand hold players for not prioritizing capture points that have spawners for armor or helis.

In fact, I think it would be great to have more armor spawns in points on the map. Give reasons to contest those points beyond "more points = more ticket loss". And people will have to decide between pushing for another point, or staying to defend a point.

BBR could def use a lot more gameplay to provide reasons to work together

[heady jewel]

To counter a littlebird?

Like Jesus Christ just because you people died to a good helicopter pilot doesn’t mean there should be aa guns or stingers

[wide relic]

Yes it levels the playin field tired of seein 100 an 0 deaths an not just on waki

I get it u want an invincible vehicle

[heady jewel]

Shoot them

Apcs are your “AA guns”

[wide relic]

Apc wasn’t designed for aa sides . The arcade mechanics for flyin are bullshit . It takes 2 tandems to take a lb down

[wide relic]

What aa stingers are for

[heady jewel]

Yeah but they’re very good at AA

Medium firerate

Good damage

[wide relic]

How many actual apc actually go for lbs I haven’t seen that many

[heady jewel]

Have you ever flown over an apc

9.9/10 times it will start shooting you

And will leave you running from the battle in flames or will succeed in shooting you down

[heady jewel]

Or near one

[wide relic]

Ya in bh it was more focused on gettin infantry kills

Sides the spawn rate on those are horrible

[desert cove]

It also makes tansport very vunerable, and harder to play

And there is few times more transports than armed lb

There is no need to punish transports for existing

[heady jewel]

Plus it’s already very vulnerable to an apc

[wide relic]

Bh just need there guns reworked so they act like the lbs . It’s not punishing if they get some work done to . Like the fact that the lb health is like the tank is pretty crazy

[desert cove]

LB health is closer to that of a rhib

600 for all small helis, 500 for rhibs

[wide relic]

The heavy duty one?

[desert cove]

No, lb, littlebird

Black hawk is tanky as fuck

But you were talking about lb

[wide relic]

Meant the gunboat when u said rhib

[limpid flame]

1 tandem, 1 Heat. It has 600hp it literally dies instantly.

[golden valley]

thats goddamn right boy

hit your shots for once

I can help you download aimlabs on steam if you have trouble moving your mouse onto the download button

[earnest ocean]

Man its so weird that we are playing today for hours in the lb.
Nobody killed us with any firearm

[desert cove]

People don't feel the need to engage transport ones

There is no urgency

Circlejerking as medics is much more "fun"

[earnest ocean]

I mean with both helis

Even the armed

[limpid flame]

1. Half of the people dont even bother shooting
2. They prolly never felt you guys gonna be a danger so no reason to shoot back
3. Maybe it was Just Lucky lobby on your part

[desert cove]

With armed that's a skill issue on thier part tbh

[golden valley]

bro you fly transports

[golden valley]

yeah as soon as you do good people start firin

[earnest ocean]

I flew both transport and armed

[golden valley]

thats something we can test

[golden valley]

that means youre bad at armed

[earnest ocean]

Nobody shot me with firearms

[earnest ocean]

XD

[golden valley]

then you werent a danger to em

[limpid flame]

Juice learning armed LB, he never takes fire from infantry

He poses no threat

They dont shoot him

As soon as he Got the clan tag they started beaming him