Vehicle - Feedback

[unique jackal]

This would be more valuable for tanks than APCs, since playing apc blows through your ammo while tanks are more conservative

Just hoping to encourage allied infantry and vehicles to play closer so vehicles are more survivable and more protected from flanks

[coral citrus]

Hmm I don't think many people would be willing to give up any slot in the off-chance they come across a vehicle. Would make more sense for the crew to carry it.

(of course, the problem of how to avoid getting your seat stolen while you get out to do that remains)

[unique jackal]

Maybe, but regardless repair gun is useless rn. Even if vehicles were made more survivable the current repairing makes would keep it useless

[strange galleon]

I have been reading all of you. and I have a question.

Don't you guys feel that a big part of the vehicles issues (specially tanks) have something to do with the spawn system??

If it was harder for players to get to the rearguard, tanks would be able to push behind their infantry while being relatively safe, but when your whole team is in the closest capture point to the enemy base, and the whole enemy team is in the capture point closest to your spawn, you are just stuck there in your spawn fighting alone a 50+ players zerg with no infantry support.

Also, I think, engineers shuld have a way to replenish ammo in the field for vehicles

[unique jackal]

Id like to see supply drops able to refill vehicle ammo(if only partially)

[strange galleon]

I feel even APCs and jeeps would benefit from a more logical battlefield, since they are at huge risk as soon they leave spawn, so it's safer to just spawn in the battle instead of using transport vehicles.

[coral citrus]

Yep, I absolutely agree. I think the one change that would make significantly more useful is to add a disabled state for vehicles after their current HP is depleted, then they would be on fire slowly losing a second bar's worth of HP over a minute. But using the repair tool would be able to "resurrect" it.

[unique jackal]

I’ve hear discussions about having “disabled” states. And while im not fully on board with it this would be a nice balance holistically

[coral citrus]

IMO a nice way to give a distinct niche to the pure transport Humvee would be to allow the driver to load a supply box at the base, then they could drop it next to vehicles to deliver ammo for them.

But yeah, all of these things would fit much more organically in a game that is slower paced.

[long portal]

https://youtu.be/1xrmabfkwvI Can we also fix the Littlebirds's mobility? Kind of hard to shoot one out of the sky when their movement tech makes zero logical sense

You can see the enemies in this clip trying to shoot it down for MINUTES straight

[strange galleon]

I do feel the littlebird is way to strong with their mobility. But I got the feel people here doesn't think it's OP.

Obviously most people in this thread main vehicles, I like them too, but I know the devs don't want vehicles to be meta, understandably so. But right now we have a almost imposible to hit helicopter that can fly upside down and seems to have no inertia at all, while tanks, blackhawks, APCs and humvees are almost usless.

[rancid hound]

doesn't solve anything

[strange galleon]

it's not healty for the game the existence of a heli that allow skilled pilots to go 120-0 in a match.

[long portal]

Just wait till you're on the receiving end for a game like this. It's anti fun having one person crush an entire 200+ player lobby with not much to do to actually take care of the problem.

[rancid hound]

well fuck what heliboos gonna cry in the slightest health nerf anyways

[long portal]

then you get dick riders who insist that it's fine

[rancid hound]

LB feels like it has zero gravity, the rest is ok

[long portal]

Health isn't the problem, it's the fact you can't reliably do damage to it

[rancid hound]

all guns do same vehicle damage 💀

[strange galleon]

that's what I'm saying, it's nonsense, I tried using tanks, rpgs, shoot at them, APCs, blackhawks, nothing seems to work.

I only had succes against pilots that aren't that good (they don't turn at light speed and flight upside down) and 1 or 2 times against good pilots using AP projectiles on a tank

[rancid hound]

Truly a high as fuck moment

[long portal]

even if they added stinger missiles, ain't no way they're going to hit a loop-de-looping heli

[rancid hound]

blackhawk tanking 3 tank shots is funny as fuck

bro it's a transport heli not a fucking gunship 💀

not even gunships have that much HP in BF4

[long portal]

Yeah, hitting the rotor or tail with a tank should just 100% one shot it

it doesn't even kill passengers without a direct hit on them

[rancid hound]

then you have engis repairing the thing constantly therefore buffing its health by another like at least 200% and dick riders still say it's fine, like bro 🤡

[strange galleon]

I honestly think the issue with blackhawk is the inconsistency with the tail rotor thing.

you may tank a lote or die from a single shot, there is no way for the pilot to have a sense of how much damage the heli can take.

[rancid hound]

no vehicles can sense how much damage it has taken

bro FCS is so bad you have to aim and pray and even when you hit it's "vehicle damage 47"

[strange galleon]

But I wouldn't touch the blackhawk until they try to fix the littlebird, the main reason for so much players to not use them as a transport vehicle is the fact that if a good littlebird pilot caught you too farm from your spawn you are dead and there is nothing you can do about it.

[rancid hound]

23mm, not fucking 120mm Oki 🤡

[strange galleon]

Maybe increase the blackhawk's guns accuracy, because it's way to hard to hit anything with them, leave alone killing.

[rancid hound]

replace the shitty minigun with one-barreled MG

I'm good with slow firing hard hitters rather than fast firing pea shooters

[long portal]

Yeah, Blackhawk health is silly, but there's much bigger problems

[rancid hound]

copilot function when

[desert cove]

This a part of the issue, yes. But overall its more complicated.

[long portal]

Co Pilot is emotional support 😆

[desert cove]

Maps, lack of sustain, too much AT, lack of PTFO options, prominence of C4, maps and thier bad design, no one playes defence and everone runs in circles through the points

[magic ingot]

if they make attack heli, it will be copilot having control of the weapon system

but black hawk is just lol

[unique jackal]

For the people talking about LB being OP. They could just add a little spread to the guns to force pilots to fly close to infantry, and maybe some damage drop off.

In addition to making the movement a bit more realistic

[coral citrus]

Would very likely make things worse since there are only so many spots a tank can safely move through in most maps. More tanks would get in the way of each other and become even easier targets.

[coral citrus]

Wouldn't an AP shot just pierce straight through it though? I can imagine a helo getting hit by an HE shell would fare a lot worse.

[coral citrus]

That would just turn it into a worse LB. IMO it needs a major buff to projectile velocity, it would let gunners hit LBs with more ease without changing their effectiveness in basically any other situation, which already feels fairly balanced (it's great against soft skinned vehicles and almost harmless against moving infantry unless the pilot flies really close - this is a good and clearly-defined niche).

[graceful void]

according to the extremely realistic milsim warthunder, apfsds phases straight through helicopters. avionics, electronics and other mission-critical components are barely affected.

trust me bro

[oak galleon]

I feel like the miniguns could use some rework in the... blackhawk... I think (big heli with 2 miniguns on seat 3 and 4)

For a weapon that was supposedly to support the descenting infantry... it's really hard to actually hit any enemy infantry with it.

The cone of fire is just too small.

It feels like this weapon is only good for dueling the enemy blackhawk, but more often than not the pilots will just do their own thing and not engage for long.

...and even if one side one, what's next anyway? You have 2 hunks of scrap that are hard to aim at anything else.

[strange galleon]

oh look, in the game I just joined one team is winning by a lote. I wonder why.....Oh, the littlebird again.

[desert cove]

Definitely not because of LB, they don't really PTFO.

[strange galleon]

of course the littlebird crowd will be in denial as usual

[desert cove]

91 tickest,at best without considerig revievs, isn't enough to make such difference.

[desert cove]

I can't even fly this shit man. I am just resonable

We are talking 400 ticket diff, you would need 3 more LB pilots with same score to make it

[strange galleon]

that's the whole point, it's balanced for awfull pilots (I suck too with it). But you can't seriously think a vehicle that allow people to get a 100-1 K/D is balanced

[desert cove]

Thier team is just better overall

[strange galleon]

ok, so a vehicle that allow people to go 100-1 it's totally ok, got it.

[desert cove]

It's rewarding for how much skill it requires

[desert cove]

I didn't even answered and you wrote it lmao

[strange galleon]

we can agree to disagree, in my opinion, any vehicle/class/weapon that will allow players on several games to be 100-1 it's not balanced, or fun or good for the game.

you clearly think it's ok to have vehicle/classes/weapons that allow people to get 100-1 K/D

on every aspect of the game, everybody seems to consider that they ''remastered'' the game to be more casual friendly, ah hard to use vehicle that allow higly skilled pilots to get that kind of scores it's not casual friendly.

[desert cove]

KDR doesn't really matters that much. You can have 100-1 kd by getting a kill and leaving the game.
KPM is much more important statistic, and much more impactfull on the game itself, and how much KPM does vehicle players have?

[desert cove]

Then what it is? The game was basically a proper mil sim earlier. You can't deny that it's not casual friendly right now.

And seriously, if you are suprised by skilled players doing great with air vehicles, you probably never played any other combined arms shooter.

[strange galleon]

nice strawman there.

If that was the logic, tanks should be way stronger, and they aren't cause that's not what they are looking for with the game balance.

[desert cove]

Im not sure if it was stramwam man

[sick berry]

my brother in yahweh, he has more than twice the KPM of anyone on his team
what kind of drugs are you on lol

[desert cove]

Tanks aren't strong because they aren't balanced. They are outperformed by inf currently. 1 engi can solo a tank.

[desert cove]

Yeah, he is the best in his team. Still propably worse than any ARA or Etheral member, for example. And those are exclusively inf players

Oh, he is enigma member. Literally 0.1% of playerbase

A very nice example to show how "op" little bird is, by picking top players, that definitely aren't representative of average

[sick berry]

can you show me an infantry player getting 90 kills with 1 or less death

(you can't because you're talking out of your ass)

[desert cove]

I can't, but that's not the point. Inf have respawn of 10 seconds, not 300. There is no comparison how pricy the deaths are

[strange galleon]

I fact, I feel quite confident on saying that death came from befor he got the littlebird.

[strange galleon]

oh so you can't play without a vehicle?? that explain a lote of the reasons of your biased opinions

[desert cove]

If vehicles had respane of 30s not 300, there would be more deaths

[desert cove]

That's totaly unreasonable conclusion, and if you want to play with argument fallacies, also ad personam

[strange galleon]

then explain why you consider that player to have a longer spawn, when he can just, you know, spawn like everyone else.

That kind of reasoning can only come from someone that doesn't play without a vehicle, there is absolutely nothing preventing you from spawning after you die in a vehicle.

[desert cove]

Rephrase your point in more clear manner

[strange galleon]

but again, we can agree to disagree, I'm not gona argue with someone that think that a 100-1 score it's totally okey and doesn't affect the outcome of the match.

that's not the kind of game I believe BBR aims to be.

[desert cove]

Yes, I think that 100-1 in a littlebird is totally ok. That's not even half of inf WR. And it's only avalible to a very small amount of very skilled players. We are talking about 0.1% of playerbase if not less. Its totally resonabke to balance by very high skill floor and even higher skill celling. It's not like every person that takes Littlebird can do such numbers, or even half. Most can't go 10-0 before getting killed. High skill requirement is a valid way of balancing.
And you are definitely overseling how impactfull those players are. 91 tickets taken from enemies is really just 3 mins of holding 3 points. It's not much when we are talking about 3000 ticket games. Especially when it's done by 1 person in like 20 games, if not more.

[desert cove]

Oki said on one stream, probably the first one, you can see VoD, that littlebird is intended to be a very high skill, very high reward asset. And it does just that. Amount of players capable of doing even 50-0 is extremely small, like I said many times 0.1% if not less.
Littlebird is like Oki wants it to be

And it's not that you can't counter them. It's very easy to do with APCs, tank (which literally one shot them with AP) or MG jeeps.
Even shooting at LB with AR can easily kill a pilot or deal enough dmg to scare a player and make him back off

[shut crescent]

that moment when oki decides that the 2 miniguns on the littlebird can have zero dispertion and fire at the same spot but that the door guns on black hawks cant hit a fucking barn despite doing half the dmg cause yk its only one gun instead of 2.

mmm yes this makes perfect sense

also the fact that the aim marker on the littlebird fucking lies to you but we can ignore that for now

[desert cove]

I am convinced that adding spread to little bird would be a buff. It's makes hitting targets easier, because your bullets land in bigger area.

And you have 3000 of them, so ammo isn't a problem

[shut crescent]

just let the miniguns do dmg to an APC and ill be happy

its not like an APC with a team helping it isnt allmost invuln anyway

tried to fight a boat yesterday that had a dude repairing it in a littlebird

it ate soo many shots

[desert cove]

LMAO, this vehicle is alredy oneshotable, and you want to make it be able to be destroyed by miniguns?

[shut crescent]

2-3 good hits = death just like breh

[desert cove]

Have you ever played it?

[shut crescent]

yes

[desert cove]

It's less resiliant to dmg than big heli

[desert cove]

How much?

It takes two tandems to destroy it anywhere, one from the rear, a engi carries 3 of them

[shut crescent]

so?

it takes 1 to kill a blackbird

[desert cove]

Tanks can destroy them from 1000m away

[shut crescent]

not even gonna talk about a littlebird

tanks can destory anything from 1k away

[desert cove]

Yes, it's a problem, will be adresed in feature propably

[shut crescent]

i doubt it

[desert cove]

Definitely will be adressed tbh

[shut crescent]

oki just

hates vechs

[desert cove]

Do you wanna bet?

I can bet paypal 5usd that tail rotor will be buffed

[shut crescent]

i bet the fact that oki said ON STREAM that he hated vechs and was hesitant to give them any sorts of buffs

also i wasnt talking abt tail roter

thats more an issue of tanks and APC splash dmg

if somebody hits a tandom on a bird its mostly cause the pilot was a dunce and standing still

so they mostly hit the actual rotor

[desert cove]

Then what if not tail rotor? 3 AP shells required 18 seconds of reload.
25 APC hits takes at leat 12s too, if you hit all of them. Non of those is one shot

[shut crescent]

we were talking about the tandom RPG

breh

[desert cove]

No, we were talking about tail rotor problem.

[shut crescent]

bro cant even remember his own conversation

you brough up that APC gets 2 shot by tandem

i said so what?

[desert cove]

Yes

[shut crescent]

cause blackhawks get 1shot

[desert cove]

Blackhawk is a helicopter, would be wierd to survive more than a IFV

[shut crescent]

my point was that blackhawks normally get 1 shot cause to hit a tandem on one at all means the pilot was bad

[desert cove]

And hitting that shot is extremely hard, unlike APC

[shut crescent]

you were complaining that APCs had less dmg resist than a heli

[desert cove]

Possible, to much convos in the same time does that to mf

[shut crescent]

when helis can be killed by straight up shooting at them with SMGs

[desert cove]

Let's be honest, that's very impropable, given amout of HP heli have

[shut crescent]

and then you look at how big a target it is and what if people are playing right QUITE a few people are prob shooting at it

and god forbid if it tried to act like a real heli and hover over the drop zone to let people off

then it just gets smited by gunfire and RPGs

you need to abuse the games physics by having people jump off the rope at high speeds

cause it cancels all momentum when they jump

to have a chance at suriving

[desert cove]

I mean, it is possible, if helis is at extremely low hp, and you hit all shots

[tulip ibex]

BLACKHAWKS Are completely balanced! And 1 tandem SHOULD knock it down! I think ppl need Apache Helis in this game becuase theyre confused what a BH should do.

And to that guy that says that BH are too tanky.. theyre really not :/

And again :/ gunners need transport bonus

i will keep repeating myself everyday about this gunner transport bonus

IRL you have designated gunners as the pilot crew so why shouldnt they get that transport bonus too

[desert cove]

BH are kind of too tanky, and kind of not. Easy to take down with tail rotor. On the other hand, they can eat 3 AP shells, same as tank in the rear or APC

It's wierd

[tulip ibex]

Yeah thats true

2 would be good too

i wouldnt mind 2 either tbh

[desert cove]

Like, they can survive more than APC, or get shoot down by a lucky one shot

[desert cove]

It was 2 before +50% hp buff

[tulip ibex]

I can understand that rifle bullets dont inflict dmg

Hmm

BH is a crucial part of the conquest mode

I would like it to be 2 apc shots, I wouldnt mind

APC should have a driver and a gunner not both at the same time 😦

Idk what or how the dev is thinking

does he want real conquest

or just straight up gun fights

Like drive to one lociation and ditch the vehicles as soon as you get to the point?

Becuase more diversity in vehichle roles too would be nice

and Anti air missiles

[desert cove]

Why, elaborate

[tulip ibex]

but then we need heli flares

I think its more realistic and more expands the roles and vehicle gameplay

gives more depth

in conquest 127vs127

[desert cove]

Then you need to wait for mil sim mode. This is arcade game

And it would be terrible nerf. Boat have split driver amd gunner and no one is using it

And APC would be the same

And it doesn't add depth, only complicates things

[tulip ibex]

Really noone is using the boat?? o.O

the Rhib noone is using but the bigger one i think i see them all the time

[desert cove]

Depth is added by new features to gameplay, and customization to allow for different gamaplay styles like in Bf4 BFV

[desert cove]

Yeah, as a transport, to get to a point and leave it there

Sometimes it stays at spawn for like 5 minutes, seen that

And you mentioned only APC not a tank, curious why

[tulip ibex]

Oh the tanks too

Idk about the mil sim, i rather have it more towards arcade than milsim

Idk ppl will maybe learn how to play with vehicles one day

i see that its progressing everyday

[dusk pivot]

Please nerf the scout helicopter, there is no counter play to a good pilot and im sick of seeing them go 100-0 on wakistan

[desert cove]

So why do you proppse nerfs that would make vehicles not only more underwhelming , but also used less

[desert cove]

Shoot at it for fuck sake

[tulip ibex]

You mean about the 2 apc shots??

Thats becuase ppl are crying that its too tanky?

Im just willing to like trade of that the BH takes less dmg

but that the gunners get more exp

for their effort as gunner

s

[tulip ibex]

My Blackhawk gunners are gunning them down pretty easy??

[dusk pivot]

youre playing against shitty scout helicopters

[tulip ibex]

yesterday i had 3 games with

101-0

89-4

117-12

so please

[desert cove]

No, spliting driver/gunner

[dusk pivot]

nerf

[tulip ibex]

Is that a nerf?

[desert cove]

Yes

A big one too

[dusk pivot]

add AA guns or something to the game, dying to vehicles aren't even fun

[desert cove]

It basically dubles players requirement, and requires a lot of cooperation to get to level of efficency of one player

[dusk pivot]

101-0 doesn't sound like your blackhawk miniguns are doinng much

[tulip ibex]

Yeah he was better than me?

[desert cove]

Then don't play conquest, if you don't like that. There is more than 10 diferent modes without vehicles

Vehicles are the point of conquest

[dusk pivot]

that would require backing out of a match constantly, the server browser doesnt have queue yet

[desert cove]

Infantry conquest is basically the same but without tanks/apcs helis

[tulip ibex]

idk man, people are playing this game as squads should tbh.. i have gunners which vehicle i choose

even in the tank i got a gunner

[desert cove]

They play it more like BF, because it is arcade game man

[dusk pivot]

Why are you guys defending an OP vehicle, there is no counter play to it.

[tulip ibex]

Its not OP? ...

[desert cove]

There is, every weaposn can deal dmg to it. You can snipe or shoot pilot out, tanks one shots it, Heat too, apc can one shot by tail rotor, other wise only 5 hits

There is a lot of counters to it alredy

Just use them, don't whine and expect it to disapeer without any action taken

[dusk pivot]

You two are actually brain dead.

[tulip ibex]

Kinda yes

[tulip ibex]

Kinda yes

[dusk pivot]

Try shooting a 100-0 scout helicopter with a tank

[tulip ibex]

But im enough brain dead that i know how to shoot down a LB

yeah taht 101-0 was probably cheating...

[desert cove]

With AP? Which has probably highest projectile velocity in the game? And a big hit box? And zero drop off?

[dusk pivot]

Scout helicopter has a tiny hitbox and is very mobile, youre thinking of shooting down blackhawks

[tulip ibex]

No

We are not

shooting down Blackhawk takes effort

a little bird takes 1 heat rocket

[desert cove]

Man, your shortcomings doesn't mean that something is impossible, or even hard to do

[desert cove]

No, i know what i am talking about

[dusk pivot]

Yep my 3.8kdr is definetely a short coming

[tulip ibex]

Kdr means nothing

[dusk pivot]

high kdr and top of the leaderboard doesnt mean anything?

[tulip ibex]

i have 0 kills basicly 2 out 3 maps i play

60k exp every match

[dusk pivot]

Smcvc youre not brain dead like other dude

dont wanna argue with you

[tulip ibex]

I been playing Battlefield since the first came out

[dusk pivot]

planes in bf1 are balanced

[tulip ibex]

Im 31 now :/

I think this game is balanced

[dusk pivot]

bf4 littlebird was OP on certain maps but at least there was lock on missles

[tulip ibex]

Yeah but it was 10x harder

to shoot it with rifles/snipers

[dusk pivot]

bf1 has a lot of counter play to planes

[tulip ibex]

as it is in BB

[dusk pivot]

they need to add AA and lock-ons

[tulip ibex]

If you want something done just do it yourself

thats what ive learned in BF

if you want to take it down play engineer

take rockets and kill it

then the bird needs flaers

flares to counter it

you cant just have something to lock and kill

[dusk pivot]

good littlebird piltos are far away from you, its basically impossible to shoot them

[desert cove]

Dismissing resonable arguments with "braindead" when someone starts using common sense and knowledge about the game
Nice

[desert cove]

Right, no. Its easy to do, even with aug

[tulip ibex]

Yeah well then its up to your teammates in the vechiles

to try to defend you

[dusk pivot]

the counters you mentioned weren't exactly counters. They are not viable counters

1 single person with an aug isnt enough to kill littlebird, they just run away to base

[tulip ibex]

thats the problem.. when a really good LB pilot is flying

then its a teameffort

but thats how it should be tbh

[dusk pivot]

Youre not hitting a good littlebird pilot with rpg, tank, sniper. The only good counter right now is an aug

they need to buff lmgs to do more damage towards air

[tulip ibex]

No he is stating that even the aug is shooting it down easily

I think they do

LMGs hurts LB

[dusk pivot]

A full mag isn't enough to kill an LB

[tulip ibex]

but LB is a bit too fast

no

ofc not

but theres 125 other ppl

[dusk pivot]

they just run back to base and heal

[tulip ibex]

who can target it

[desert cove]

Well, it's a team game, some sort of coperation and team play is expected

[dusk pivot]

goodluck finding cooperation in a game with 127 on each team lol

[tulip ibex]

really?

Bro

6 ppl added me in 2 days

they want to play in squad with me

properly

[dusk pivot]

Not everyone is gonna try and shoot down a littlebird

Too many noobs that let it kill them constantly

[desert cove]

I know that it's hard to cooperate like you would do in Squad, but screaming "medic" "ammo" or shoot the heli through voice chat works very often

[dusk pivot]

The only good counter right now is a squad of augs

[tulip ibex]

No just 1 heat rocket :/

lvl 15

engineer class

easy peasy..

my most feared class as a BH pilot

but i understand you

Theres not many that are chasing the LB

5 teammates around me and im the only one targeting the LB

with sniper..

[desert cove]

That's exactly the problem, 5 players, and only one cares to do something, the rest will just scream "nerf LB" while doing nothing

[wide relic]

Idk about this most gunners I’ve been killed wit from the bh make it look easy especially on waki when everyone packed in

[tulip ibex]

The accuracy is fine if you hold in right click but that requires that the BH is only hovering and not moving

but a BH is a sitting duck if hovering

[tulip ibex]

Yeah its a skill issue.. but ppl will learn

[wide relic]

The ones that I’ve seen are goin full telt no hovering .

[magic ingot]

after trying AUG they're ... surprisingly fragile

[tulip ibex]

Tilt?

Yeah but still flying low?

[wide relic]

Full speed

Yep

[tulip ibex]

but flying low?

yeah

thats a tradeoff too

imagine

if we flew really high

Im risking alot if im flying low

But it takes 6 shots to kill someone with just the gunners

but if youre say bleeding

[wide relic]

Seen that to I seem to always go against the sweats for some reason even when I was streaming some one said that

[tulip ibex]

youll die by 2 hits

[wide relic]

I’ve seen a bh take 4 rpgs it not a tank

[tulip ibex]

it takes 3 i think

no

sry

4 yeah

Yeah maybe it was fragment rockets too

you wouldnt know :/

[desert cove]

If I am correct one mag gets LB into 50-40% hp range

[wide relic]

I wonder how much p90 does

[tulip ibex]

I think ppl are worried about giving out their location.. thats why theyre not targeting

i think someone said that

BUT thats their problem lol

Idk

[desert cove]

P90 have low L vehicle dmg, so not that much, aug have 12

[tulip ibex]

everytime a see a windshield of a LB

i spray

p90 beames through windshields tho

[desert cove]

Same lvl of excuse like saying "but tandem is hard to use" because they can't hit target at 250m moving at full speed

[wide relic]

I’ve honestly got more kills wit the 249 on helis than I do any gun

[tulip ibex]

yeah i guess

[wide relic]

Honestly if more vehicles an infantry worked an unison all the problems we are complaining about would be solved

[desert cove]

1. Not all, but maybe 1/3.
2. It won't happen. To much players, to much chaos. Players came here for much different expireence.
   The new boat shows perfectly that players are not willing to cooperate inside one vehicle, even tho game gives them tools for easy communication

Vehicles must be self reliant and capable of standing on thier own, but be improved by any cooperation

That's why tank is much more effective with full crew, how rarely that happens

[wide relic]

Why I think they should increase number of tanks an apcs on certain maps except for tenstown

[unique jackal]

I don’t think vehicles numbers should increase, just survivability

[desert cove]

I disagree, this game is supposed to be vehicles light. I think that fewer but better vehicles that can offer great experience is better option than spamming 5 weak and not fun tanks

[wide relic]

Survivaliblty is relative when it’s 127 vs 127

[unique jackal]

Buff repair tool and you’re well on the to making ground vehicles usable

[clever vessel]

okay honestly that'd be true but 1. there's no incentives for players to cooperate with vehicles and vice-versa atm and 2. players are so individually strong that even if there were incentives it'd be outweighed by their sheer power tbh

one apc and 7 mooks can fight another squad about the same as that squad without an apc, especially considering how easy it often is to duck into cover on the current maps

[desert cove]

A good start, but only start

[clever vessel]

that said yeah i agree we need way more vehicles

not 'one tank for every five players' but in 127 v 127 you should see 4-5 on each team at least imo

sponsoring the squad point system for vehicle purchase and cutting squad spawning for this reason because in my opinion it's just a better vehicle limit than having a set amount and letting people randomly consume them

[rancid hound]

it doesn't make any sense to have more tanks than APCs

[desert cove]

Then you end up with no vehicles at the start, or too much vehicles at the start. And with inf sweats that have 10k points but couldn't care less of using then for vehicles, while vehicle players would struggle

[clever vessel]

oh yeah if we're keeping the limit apcs have to at least be a 2:1 ratio to tanks tbh

[rancid hound]

APCs are meant to carry mechanized troops to the front not fighting infantry alone why should we have more tanks

[clever vessel]

or 3:2 but yeah def not more tanks than apcs that's just recipe for disaster

[desert cove]

Funny, i don't think it will ever work with spawn system and helis. APC need to be made in to iFv, with capital F

[rancid hound]

"An infantry fighting vehicle (IFV), also known as a mechanized infantry combat vehicle (MICV), is a type of armoured fighting vehicle used to carry infantry into battle and provide direct-fire support." Ye 127 players and 1 APC, truly a wine moment

[unique jackal]

Transport vehicles should be easier to spawn in. Increase the spawnable radius from owned points or allow them to spawn troops when they’re in a point the enemy has recently contested

[clever vessel]

imo i feel like just the sheer utility increase for general transportation would actually do the trick

that said, do agree it's kind of a pain for vec players but i'm personally willing at least to see how it'd work

[rancid hound]

man half of a team in Squad are mechanized infantry lmao, their role is to get to the objectives as fast as possible and hold the line for friendly infantry to come. In this game it's just fucking heli flying around doing nothing and no one riding in IFVs lmao

[clever vessel]

if it's cheap enough i can imagine tanks and apcs appearing at the 1/3rd mark of games which wouldn't be too bad? infantry solidifies lines, tanks and apcs come in to break them

[desert cove]

Again,hard to do with spawn system and helis. Waste or resources imo

[wide relic]

I wouldn’t Mind them importing fbe new Abrams vs in that one is beefy

[clever vessel]

already said i'm for cutting squad spawning but what's the helis got to do with it

[desert cove]

That's why they should be more fighting, like in BF4

Basically a light tank, with limited taxi capability, in dumb terms

[rancid hound]

yup

[desert cove]

A fast vehicles able to travers map extremely fastband get to any point mostly un oposed. Impossible to ambush and to block. Doesn't cares for mines, c4. Can carry 11 players

And fucking flys

[rancid hound]

people will whine about "bro that will be too OP for infantry!!!!!" without realizing vehicles should have capabilities to fight vehicles of the same type

[clever vessel]

Still, there’s only like two on the map atm

That’s 4/5ths of the team left

[rancid hound]

APC should carry 7, not 11 people

you can only twist reality for uh "casual gameplay" so far before it doesn't make any sense

[desert cove]

It's alway better to take one of dozesn jeeps/quads and go whenever you want, than to rely on some random

[desert cove]

It carries 8+driver, you should know it man.

[rancid hound]

Pretty sure most dedicated pilots come from Squad and BF

[desert cove]

Definitely not from dcs

[rancid hound]

BTR 82 is just BTR 80 with bigger gun, you get my point

[desert cove]

Full squad in game>realism

[rancid hound]

you forgot the crew is also a part of the squad right

1 driver + 7 friendly squadmates

because Oki doesn't know that IFVs also have commanders

[desert cove]

In battlebit?

[rancid hound]

well I'm using your argument so yeah

[desert cove]

Oki doesn't know a lot of things about vehicles

[unique jackal]

Why is changing APC capacity even on the table rn?

[wide relic]

I’ll take realism for 100 Dave

[rancid hound]

more APCs to carry people rather than brute forcing it with more capacity doesn't make sense

[desert cove]

Idk, should be left alone imo. No one is using it anyways

[clever vessel]

Honestly does changing capacity even matter with the current spawning still in

Could be 3 slots and it’d probably carry on average the same amount of people lmfao

[desert cove]

Exactly

[unique jackal]

Ground vehicles are a joke, BH miniguns are a joke. LB is decent

[desert cove]

Jeeps and quads are nice tho

Only physics are fucked up

[unique jackal]

True

[hard palm]

the wave bobbing effect on water vehicles is too intense at a standstill. Trying to use the minigun on the gunboat is nauseating because of the constant rapid bouncing, and that's before you start firing and get the camera shake effect as well. It makes aiming at targets more difficult and makes prolonged use really nauseating.

[clever vessel]

wait it isn't a rcb only problem anymore?

[wide relic]

Rhib also movin is a bitch for firing

[hard palm]

rcb?

[clever vessel]

the big boat they added with the autocannon

[desert cove]

Big boat, that one that sucks ass

[clever vessel]

thought the rhib was safe from it

[hard palm]

i guess not, I noticed it earlier on the smaller boat with a minigun

[fair briar]

regarding the littlebird:

• increase frag RPG projectile speed
• give frag RPG airburst
• 2 airburst (indirect) hits should take out littlebird

[desert cove]

Imagine how can this be abusable against inf behind hard cover

[fair briar]

not a fan of lockon weapons tbh

[desert cove]

Oh my god, I would kill for an airburst

[fair briar]

give the airburst the same aoe as regular rpg vs infantry

[desert cove]

Same, they doesn't even fit BBR imo

[desert cove]

Still perfectly abusable and op man

It's an airburst

[fair briar]

remove destruction from airburst

[desert cove]

That's thing fucked up

[desert cove]

Literally the smallest problem

[fair briar]

it would have aoe has regular rpg vs infantry except with no destruction

[desert cove]

Maybe airburst for APC as a counter

[fair briar]

or you make it only airburst when near vehicles

like a proximinity fuze

[desert cove]

Or limited AP ammo with more velocity

[fair briar]

what about proximinity fuze so it only airburst when near enemy vehicles?

[desert cove]

For APC?

[unique jackal]

any way I envision airburst in BBR just feels like a bs mechanic

[fair briar]

for frag RPG

[fair briar]

its better for anti air than lock-on weapons

and it makes frag RPG useful and unique

[unique jackal]

I feel like comparing lock on and anti air is comparing apple to oranges, except they’re both rotten

[fair briar]

another way to provide more counter against little bird would be increasing the bullet velocity and damage of machine guns on hummvees

[unique jackal]

But tbf frag rpg is useless as is

[fair briar]

well thats a problem and frag rpg should be made useful and different than heat / tandem

[unique jackal]

Frag should actually be useful for killing infantry, and I honestly have no idea why it isn’t

[fair briar]

frag rpg trade off should be: give up destruction and damage vs tank / apc, in exchange for better performance vs infantry / helicopter / light vehicles

tho i dont want frag rpg to be that much better vs infantry and id rather have it focus on countering air and light vehicles

[unique jackal]

I agree except for light vehicles

[fair briar]

why

[unique jackal]

I think the trade off should be between attacking structures and vehicles, vs attacking inf

[desert cove]

LB doesn't need counter. Every weapon can counter it

[unique jackal]

With frag being by far the best anti inf rpg, with heat being more versatile anti vehicle, while tandem is more anti heavy vehicle

[fair briar]

imo all rpg should have equal effectiveness vs infantry and given the following niche:

• frag = anti light vehicle
• tandem = anti any vehicle
• RPG = general purpose

RPG is already super powerful vs infantry

no need to create another easy to use, long range explosive that's better vs infantry

id make frag and tandem have same infantry aoe as heat

and give frag proximity fuze vs vehicles

[unique jackal]

Half the killing ability of heat is being able to kill through destructable walls, frag wouldn’t be able to do that but would have wider blast if unobstructed

Seems fair imo

[fair briar]

i dont see why giving frag better anti infantry performance is better than anti light vehicle performance tbh

the engineer's niche should be vehicular combat

[unique jackal]

Im coming from a more realism perspective where the fragments of a “frag” round are specifically meant to injure or kill soldiers (similar to a grenade) while having little anti armor penetration

But I agree engineers niche should be veh combat, but it doesn’t make sense for a class besides engi to have rpg (or c4 but devs disagree)

[fair briar]

Idc about realism

I just look at what i thinl is good gameplay

Im guilty of using rpg heat to get easy kills

No need to make it easier

[unique jackal]

Im not big on realism either but I don’t want a grand departure from real life where for some reason anti inf rounds become anti vehicle

Then you’re just giving random names to random things without any regard for what makes sense in the real world

[fair briar]

Frag rpg being good vs ligjt vehicles is not that unrealistic

Its more realistic than reviving people 🤣

[unique jackal]

It shouldn’t be better than heat for light vehicles tho

[fair briar]

Its better because of airburst which is realistic

Airburst/ proximity detonation real life is a legit way to take out lightly armored vehcles

[unique jackal]

I don’t agree that airburst is the cure all for frag rpg

[fair briar]

and ive said earlier that I suggest having airburst do zero damage to tank/apc

[fair briar]

but better performance vs infantry is?

[unique jackal]

Yeah because current performance is crap?

[fair briar]

ya so make it just as good as heat rpg vs infantry

but make frag better vs light vehicles

[unique jackal]

Disagree, I don’t think frag should have much anti vehicle capability

But I honestly don’t think either of us are gonna move on this debate(and it’s the vehicle thread)

[fair briar]

If frag rpg is buffed to be better vs inf over heat ill use it as my main weapon 🤣

[golden estuary]

Yeah just bring c4 for vehicles lmao

[cedar ember]

I love how a decent number of people come in here to basically say "i wish I could use one kit and have it be effective in every situation"

[fair briar]

thats actually a good point

SMG for close combat, buffed frag rpg for medium range, c4 for vehicles

[clever vessel]

Oh but clearly it’s everyone else that has the ‘skill issue’

Every time lmfao

[desert cove]

What's the point of teamwork and classes. Let's give everyone one shot kill, hit scan weapons. And make them kill vehicles to. Or better, lest just delete them anyway because going 5-1 in APC is too much for the balance of this game

/s

[cedar ember]

So... I just got killed IN SPAWN by a tail rotor hit. I was hovering over a pad. 100% in the no damage zone. Bullshit

[desert cove]

Report in map feedback

And what map allows that

[cedar ember]

Bazara

We weren't talking damage

But we insta popped the rotor

He hit us like 20 times before the rotor hit

[desert cove]

APC?

I am suprised how, you can't get close enough on this map

Wait

There is water

[rancid hound]

man I feel so bad

so there was a T90 trying to fight us at spawn

and he's getting the upper hand

but then he got stucked

and engis finished him

[golden estuary]

Done in by the weird reverse controls? Or jank weight and physics lol

I've seen too many abandoned BTRs stuck on weird shit like fences, quads, rocks

[limpid flame]

If I get attack Helicopters like Apache AH-64 then this game is complete

I miss that bond between pilot And co-pilot

Or even jets on certain maps

Cause god damn some maps are too big

Like Jets could easily be a thing on Sandy, Wine Paradise, Isle, maybe even Basra

A map where there is a fuckton of ground vehicles And jets could have a way to trim those numbers

Attack helis could also be a very good middleground between littlebirds And jets

But oki will never add good content:(

[golden estuary]

Nah I'd rather we keep the infantry focus

LBs are already a menace in the right hands.

No need for AH/jets

[rancid hound]

attack helis are good if you don't add rockets

or anything with big aoe damage

[golden estuary]

Then... What's the point of attack helis again?

No rockets, no aoe cannon. 😂 Back to LB/BH

[rancid hound]

ATGM, autocannon

[golden estuary]

A flying btr 😂

I think AH is just gonna be easier for more people to make infantry life hell. And for the 1% of LB pilots, giving them AH is just bruh

[coral citrus]

It's definitely fun to have more vehicles but the question is what niche would it fill? Anti-infantry is already covered by LB and BH can deal with light vehicles quite easily. Tanks and APCs are already a meme that can't go out of base without fearing for their lives.

Maybe if reinforced structures that need to be destroyed as part of some gamemode...

[clever vessel]

it'd be really cool as a way to extend the current fortifications system

more permanent fortifications, e.g. reinforced walls, ground-up bunkers, trenches

[opaque lily]

Killed 7 Tanks and 3 APCs in the transport heli in Eduardovo and we still lost by 800 tickets what the fuck.
In another game I killed 11 transport helis, littlebirds, APCs and we still lost by 20~ tickets.

[clever vessel]

genuinely would not want to go up against you in a regular match christ almighty

i'm terrified of those fuckers who steal the news heli for their rpg purposes but you? you are a whole nother level of insane

[coral citrus]

Would be cool if defensive structures actually mattered... as things stand, the more walls are around a point, the harder it becomes to find and clear out rats

[tulip ibex]

Im not sure how this game would be with AH or with an A-10...

[clever vessel]

especially since it's as useful just to take advantage of the clutter

@torpid elk's discussed it in better detail

but also even after you blow up a lot of buildings, most maps just still have large tracts of houses and hovels that are way easier to use than build, especially considering you're moving fast

if your team is gonna be rapidly bouncing between points or doing the circular there is no god damn point setting up large defensible structures, just keep taking advantage of the same structures and the same terrain

• you can't really tell when buildings are gonna go the way of the twin towers or they're gonna stand like st. paul's cathedral during the blitz

[desert cove]

Destroying vehicles doesnt really matters. Only playing the fucking objective have any meaningful impact on the game. You can go 100-0 in LB/tank and still loose by 400 tickest, because your team couldn't keep objectives.

[desert cove]

It's kind of hard to put new vehicles to a game that can't get total basics right. Not to mention good... . But imo there is place for a "light tank", something faster and more fragile than a tank, but with simmilar firepower, like M10 brook or Sprut SD.

[rancid hound]

copilot doesn't have anything to do

[rancid hound]

light tank doesn't fit tbh

[fair briar]

gameplay wise, take the APC, give it tank gun and remove extra passenger seats

[rancid hound]

what will that help though

[echo hull]

ok is this where everyone is discussing how silly the transport heli's guns are
no one is game is afraid of them they come out of hiding to look up and shoot at the two enemy gattling guns blazing down on them bc they know the gunners cant do shit with them. like if helis will go down from one 30mm shot from the enemy spawn for the sake of realism ok, but then why are the giant guns so amazingly weak?

[ashen tangle]

helicopter gatling guns are actual pea guns, maybe keep the damage but up the firerate

[coral citrus]

Enjoy the view

And I guess you can save the LB if the main pilot gets taken down

[rancid hound]

[desert cove]

fits, you can add it as a cap reward, replace tank with it on 32vs32

Adds flavour and novelity

[clever vessel]

really the copilot should get a button which rewards them with 10 points and makes a gigantic red marker appear on the heli with the exact place you need to fire at to hit it as long as it continues to fly

[rancid hound]

[supple mauve]

Why are there people believing that little bird dancing requires a lot of skill? Am I dreaming? The reason it isn't more common is because of the lack of little bird spots, not because it's super skillful.

[wide relic]

That would be amazin

[clever vessel]

isn't it because the air controls atm are such a piece of shit it whittles down 99% of all the people who try it out

[supple mauve]

The air controls are pretty forgiving for the little bird at least

the reason why people think that the lb is fine is because they don't understand the minigun, at least that was before I learned how it actually worked

[clever vessel]

pls do expand

i'm fully transparent: i don't really get what's so unique about the minigun nor do i think that bird has much impact so i don't care, but i'm all ears

[desert cove]

It super fragile thin glass cannon with paper cockpit that can be one shot by like 4 things. AND takes damage from every weapon on the game. It does requires skill. Otherwise there will be people doing 100-0 in literall every game, not one out of 20 if not more

[supple mauve]

It doesn't actually shoot where the crosshair aims, so if you play it the first few times, you might think it's super difficult to hit and kill people with it

[supple mauve]

I have one of the dancers every second game now, and it is becoming more common

I am not saying it doesnt require skill, I am saying it doesn't require that much skill as you think

It's pinpoint accurate on every distance, so it being a glass cannon doesn't matter if you stay far away enough

[clever vessel]

is it like minorly offset

[desert cove]

I have never seen anyone going more than 40 kills in it. And i have hundrede of games.

[supple mauve]

I mean, play more games then, idk

[supple mauve]

Memento Mori explains in his tutorial: https://youtu.be/O6eTJlGMYGA?t=222

In fact, not having a HUD would be a buff for the little bird, lol

at least I wish I could disable it when doing my loops

[desert cove]

I have propably much more games played than you

By like a lot

[limpid flame]

Fly Ace is big And we shall conquer every littlebird And every server

90% of pilots are shit, And they die instantly, yet as soon as someone gets good at it, they either Say we're cheating or that LBs are OP

Get a grip of reality

If they were broken, every single pilot would have fuckton of kills And be unstoppable

It's a high risk high reward vehicle for skilled pilots

[supple mauve]

Copium, you are flying a crutch

[limpid flame]

Definitely

[supple mauve]

Just because most people don't get the proper time to learn how the little bird works doesn't mean it isn't op

[limpid flame]

Then that is just skill issue

[desert cove]

More, excluding big heli like 99% pilots are shit

[limpid flame]

Real shit

Default settings dont help that at all, they will never allow you to even get close to our skill

[supple mauve]

Everyone knows that having the correct settings applied is high skill gameplay

[fair briar]

what's the counter to a highly skilled little bird pilot?

besides another highly skilled little bird pilot

[supple mauve]

Shoot it and hope

[fair briar]

could just increase bullet velocity of mounted mahcine guns and massively increase their damage vs helicopters

[supple mauve]

They simply need to revert the vehicle damage of the little bird and increase the firing angle of the mounted machine guns

[fair briar]

i dont want the littlebird to be nerfed, i want good viable counters to it tbh

[supple mauve]

The main issue is that potential new counters would also be good against blackhawks and transport helis in general, which don't need a nerf imo

[fair briar]

why not increase mounted machine gun damage vs littlebird only?

[supple mauve]

That could work, but it's not the best game design to make specific vehicles do more damage against other specific vehicles - which leads to inconsistency and less transparency

just not a very elegant solution

[coral citrus]

BH guns could get increased velocity to make it easier to hit LBs (the only other target they can reliably hit is Humvees but those are slow enough to track with relative ease) and LB damage falloff could be increased to force them to take more risk.

[rancid hound]

bh guns need more damage not velocity

[desert cove]

Idk if thats even possible

[coral citrus]

What for? Do you want them to be worse LBs? The problem is hitting them in the first place. Damage will just buff them against other slower targets.

[fair briar]

its totally possible, mounted machine guns do zero damage vs tank/apc

so theres already variable damage of vehicle mounted weapons vs other vehicles

[coral citrus]

That's a separate armor class, not specific vehicles.

[coral citrus]

See how fast an LB goes down if it doesn't actually bother dodging the minigun.
https://youtu.be/OyzmeeDlY1I?feature=shared&t=149

[fair briar]

ok then whats another way to provide better counters vs littelbird?

[desert cove]

L armour is different thing that H armour

[desert cove]

Shoot at it. It takes dmg form anything. And Im not saying this ironicly. Take the SCAR/FAL/AK15/AUG or other weapon with L armour dmg >10 and shoot at this motherfucker

[rancid hound]

nevermind i guess gunners just need to get better

if they can do that

[coral citrus]

Good gunners cannot fix the fact that a bullet is too slow to reach a moving target

[rancid hound]

thats true

[coral citrus]

Hence ^

[desert cove]

Most players can't. That's why they want OP dedicated counters

[rancid hound]

i see wht ur saying now

[limpid flame]

Snipers shooting out pilots is Daily occurence

Rpgs threatenings helis 24/7

[rancid hound]

and apcs

[limpid flame]

IFVs tailrotoring

[rancid hound]

the one thing apcs are good at is that

yea

[limpid flame]

Even fucking infantry, if they JUST shoot at us we go down or at least are forced to go back to the base

There is so many ways to deal with LBs

Its Just that the collective community of BBR is still not used to good LB pilots And are too braindead to know how to deal with them

[desert cove]

That's fucking sad tbh

[rancid hound]

yeah

[sick berry]

i prestiged without getting killed by a LB a single time but i hope they get nerfed just to spite u

[desert cove]

The problem is, they don't want to do that, they want dedicated AA rocket to make thier lives even easier, because shooting at flying egg the size of small car is beyond them

[wide relic]

I’m just waitin for aa to get the helis to go away

Guns or rocket launchers

[wide relic]

To many ways my ass that loop dodges 90% everything if used correctly

[wide relic]

Yes wantin something to at least deter the sweats that can’t play an actual shooter

[limpid flame]

There are moments where we cant do loops, And that is the point of attack for infantry

There are so many moments

[limpid flame]

Skil issue tbh

[wide relic]

Skill issue then for nerfing lb it not a tank it a light atack heli

[limpid flame]

If a shooter has vehicles, it's a part of a game that is meant to be used, if im able to do very good at it, that js me skill diffing you, the same way you can skill diff me by killing me as infantry

[desert cove]

APC, Tank, MG on jeep, HMG, any primary weapon

[wide relic]

Y’all just want invincible vehicles it pathetic

[limpid flame]

IM myself a primary infantry player yet somehow I dont bitch around when LB kills me

[desert cove]

RPG HEAT, Deagel, unica, RSH

[limpid flame]

Tf you mean

[desert cove]

I just listed few viable counters man, and you come up with this shit

[wide relic]

Was talkin to merv the skill issue comment

[desert cove]

Doesn't change the fact that it's not invincible

There are very effective ways to counter them

APC will shread it and still have half a mag left, even if you miss 50% of your shots

[magic ingot]

main problem: vehicle too vulnerable in pub and too effective when supported(tank)/uncontested (Lb)

[unique jackal]

Hot take, if you wanted LB to get less kills on waki either double the big helis or give one LB to each team

[magic ingot]

we don’t talk about apcs which just get sniped regardless

[limpid flame]

Waki is shit Just because there is a single LB, unbalanced map

[unique jackal]

Yeah, give them more targets and more opportunities for dominant Lb to switch teams

[rancid hound]

Wakistan is shit in general

same with tanks in Waki you either die or become a farmer

APCs can go farm vehicles cuz they suck

/s

[desert cove]

80 players from each team will rush the bridge like heard of sheep and then whine about LB having easy target practice, grenade spam and tanks being "op" when they also have target practice basically unoposed

[rancid hound]

[desert cove]

A little more and we will beat inertia

Lol

[limpid flame]

hehe miniguns go brrt

nobody even tries to shoot me

monkey community

[wide relic]

Y lately I been avoiding waki like the plague just wit how much it’s voted always get the team that only focuses on bridge

[limpid flame]

that was basra.

[magic ingot]

basra is the wrecked ship map

[limpid flame]

this is what being a heli pilot means

all the hate from people that dont understand good pilots can do crazy stuff

and all of those people never bother to even shoot back

at best they will lay down making themselves even easier targets

while air strafe exists lol

[desert cove]

Yeah, waki playerbase id braindead

Literally bridge and only bridge, all other points can be red, teammates all will swarm the bridge

Waki could be just a bridge and nothing would change

Map would be better tbh

[wide relic]

That’s what the dom map is pretty much

[coral citrus]

Good

[limpid flame]

how come tank players that farm up to 100 kills+ from spawn or from very far away dont get that many reports

[wide relic]

Funny thing wit that once they get resolved they get deleted to

[limpid flame]

yeah cause those reports do nothing

mods knows exactly that we are heli pilots

and at best we get account locked for 1hr so they can review it

[coral citrus]

Who knows? Who cares. Clearly, they are fine with tanks but don't want you in their game.

[limpid flame]

streamers get the same treatment

[limpid flame]

whomp whomp we'll still be here anyways

[wide relic]

Only time I’ve reported is dude using aim assist was firing in 2 round bursts spectated him to an he literally was using some type of auto aim

[coral citrus]

Of course you will, that's exactly why you get reported :)

[limpid flame]

ok, reporting for ejoying the part of the game? what even is exploiting, WHAT am i exploiting

the feature that is widely available?

[wide relic]

It’s like people report on griefing stop being so thin skin

[desert cove]

You can't farm from spawn. There is no map that allows that. Only Salhan was, but tanks were removed, and those shouldn't be there in first place.

[wide relic]

Or go to dom there’s no vehicles

[coral citrus]

Actually, they probably wouldn't mind if you find some other way to enjoy yourself, but it seems the only way you can think of doing that is by making others miserable. So they want you out. Pretty simple.

[desert cove]

LMAO, blaming a player for being good

Disgusting

[limpid flame]

i can do exact same amount of kills on infantry as i can in heli, what is the issue

[coral citrus]

Ask them, not me.

[limpid flame]

you're blaming a player for being good, you get dogged on in a way that you seem to be unable to counter-act and you rage

[torpid elk]

not getting spotted

[coral citrus]

It's actually for being a jerk. If someone sat on the heli all game long without using it or letting others use it they would get reported as well.

[limpid flame]

@desert cove i start to get brain damage from this feedback channel, how can you still have a working brain after all that lmao respect

[limpid flame]

if you dont die, why would you give the heli to someone

what kinda logic is this

[sick berry]

littlebird mains having working brains. lol, lmao, good one

[limpid flame]

who says there is a timer on vehicles, i got it, i use it - simple

i use it till i die, if somebody takes it then i let them use it, i give tips on how to get better etc

[coral citrus]

Not what I said. Would you be mad if someone grabbed the LB and just stayed parked in base all game long, every game?

[limpid flame]

i teach people

[limpid flame]

no, i get in coopilot and help them get better, show them where are enemies

or entirely go play infantry

if they are parked in base then what can you do about it, move on lmao

[coral citrus]

Then you could stay in copilot every game and not get reported. So simple!

[desert cove]

I got my brain dmage a long time ago man. Not my fist shitty discussion about vehicles, definetly not the last

Someone needs to do it tho

[limpid flame]

so can you then! So simple!

[coral citrus]

Actually I prefer APCs. And I'm not the one getting reported. :)

[limpid flame]

makes sense

lmao

good night ;3

[wide relic]

Nite

[desert cove]

Because you can't do shit in this fucking failure of a vehicle

That's why. LB at leats gives very few opportunity to somewhat contribute

You don't get reported in APC mostly out of pity of others for using it

[coral citrus]

It's actually decent if you don't drive straight into the enemies like you were invincible. And parking on the edge of spawn areas to allow the team to reach capture points faster is probably perceived as a contribution by more players than seeing some guy going on a killstreak on the other side of the map.

[desert cove]

If I need to camp with vehicle in order to still be outperformed by other vehicles and some inf, and my only contribution is being glorified spawn beacon, which quad can do too, i think it's shit.

I did not get 7k kills on it to lie about it

[coral citrus]

And yet! People thank me! And don't report me! Imagine that. Considering the impact of your actions on the enjoyment others have.

(the quad doesnt provide covering fire fyi)

Bet he wouldnt get reported if he tried to actually follow the team around and support pushes instead of farming stalemates in badly designed parts of a map.

[desert cove]

I don't belive in that. Are you saying that someone thanked you for playing apc?

That would be the first time I ever heard of that

[coral citrus]

Eh, just for sitting on the edge of spawn in Waki and providing covering fire. Probably someone who respawned a couple times.

[magic ingot]

proposal: AUG unlocked by default

or just additional conscent playing conq "I agree not to complain getting F by vehicles"

[fair briar]

tbh if there's a littlebird on the enemy team going 50+ to 0, i'd just leave the game and find another server

[magic ingot]

that doesn't solve any problem

[fair briar]

i know, im choosing to avoid the problem

[magic ingot]

people get frustrated getting F by LB, leaving server, and LB pilot suddenly got no free kills no more

lose lose for everyone

[fair briar]

my suggestion was airburst on frag RPG so its good anti air, or buffing mounted machine gun damage vs littlebird

that way we have good anti air options (without lockon weapons)

[coral citrus]

"Air" in general is not the problem and doesn't need a general counter. It's armed LB specifically.

[fair briar]

its a win for me because im not getting rekt by LB

[desert cove]

I love that

[tulip ibex]

then play something thats not conq :/

[shut crescent]

that moment when oki decides its fine for the littlebirds miniguns to have ZERO dispersion but for the door guns on transport helis to be unable to hit the side of a fucking barn despite having half the dps(yk cause only one god damn gun)

yea makes perfect sense to me lets slap it into the game

right alongside the stupid ass vech physics ( breaks on APC straight up not working, helis getting flung 50 FEET when they get hit by RPGs and tank rounds, ETC)

[desert cove]

What about apc spin man

you forgot to mention the funnies and most game breaking one

[shut crescent]

i dont play APCs that much tbf

i would rather play the fuckin APC boat than the actual APC

[clever vessel]

i'm kinda scratching my head here

no one gets reported for exploiting when they wait directly outside an obj in some random hole and then put one foot on it and make fifteen people turn around to come after them, why the hell should anyone be reported for also killing people in an overly exposed choke like twenty people at the end of the bridge

i sure as hell don't fucking enjoy it when there are 30 snipers aiming at my ass on waki, that don't fuckin mean they are exploiting, that means they're looking at the game and taking advantage of a badly designed map. you call that exploiting, i call that playing the fucking game

[tulip ibex]

Soooo when is the Blackhawk gunners getting transport bonus?

[desert cove]

That's wierd take. APC is better than APC boat. Boat is just terrible. You can't even make it work unless you have driver. Which is too much of requirement for an arcade game

[frigid cloak]

I think they should add an option to configure the sensitivity on infantry and vehicles cuz the one I play as infantry translate horrible to the LB

[wide relic]

I use different sentivty settings for different things if im run an gunning it’s highly sensitive, snipin or vehicles it’s lowered a bit

[strange galleon]

perectly balanced vehicle

[desert cove]

Map?

[clever vessel]

Honestly am surprised they get so many points per kill

[frigid cloak]

Yeah but I mean in game

Not myself each time I grab a vehicle or something

[desert cove]

Probably exp from other vehicle kills. LB is good at dealing with jeeps/other helis

[cedar ember]

I have noticed that people really don't focus fire the LB

Probably why it's so "op"

[unique jackal]

I swear if support was an averagely played class LBs would be deterred so easily

[wide relic]

I’ve been hittin lb lately wit the p90 when I can

[vague flint]

Like the bf4 players crying that ah is op but they all stay medic to use the aek and the mobile AA's focused infantry to pump kdr 😅

[opaque lily]

I'm only as good as my gunners and rpg man allow me to be. With randoms it's completely hell but with a squad I am very lethal.
That said even after multiple games like this I still see vehicles as a whole having no effect on weather you win or lose a game which is terrible.

[coral citrus]

It's not what I call it, it's all the people who report. Also, 30 people coming together to achieve collective effectiveness is different from a single person in the entire server making everybody miserable. And that's leaving aside the obvious multiple ways one can deal with snipers.

[supple mauve]

No you see, it's perfectly balanced for a single person to go 100 kills with single digit deaths. Don't ask why it happens so often with just that vehicle. We don't want jets though, because people can be really annoying and go like 100 kills without dying. Vehicles shouldn't be oppressive, after all.

[coral citrus]

How do you figure? In my experience, there IS an association, it's just inverse: the better I do in a vehicle the more likely it is for my team to lose, generally because it means the infantry is getting stomped so the enemies keep pushing to more exposed positions where I can farm them.

So it's hard to disentangle the effect of vehicles from the usual metrics you might use to decide if a player is being effective.

[golden estuary]

vehicle gamers trying their damnest to keep their favourite tank/heli from being balanced

imagine if LB had BH gun's accuracy and cooldown 😂

[opaque lily]

Had a 50 kill game in the transport chopper on valley with 3 other people. We had an rpg man and two gunners. 1 gunner was a second rpg man. We killed 4 tanks and 4+ APCs, transport helis, littlebirds and absolutely ravaged the camping snipers. We pretty muched killed every enemy armored vehicle that initally spawned at the start of the match one by. Even after all this we only won the match by 150 tickets.

Vehicles have no game impact

[opaque lily]

That seem to be right. So often I see littlebirds closing in on 80 kills and also myself getting nearing 100 kills in the tank and we still lose or barely break even on tickets.

[supple mauve]

The solution is to make kills with the littlebird cost 5 tickets instead of 1, to truly honor the skill of changing the yaw controls to mouse movement

For real though, the obvious answer is that kills simply don't contribute much to the tickets - 100 kills means nothing when you have 4000 tickets in the game

doesn't mean it isn't helping though

[neat plinth]

You can lol

I bound my disable HUD button to my ‘~’ key, definitely can help once you know where your target is, but if you keep it off you have no idea whose a ally or enemy lol

[supple mauve]

Oh I see

yeah I meant the heli hud specifically, not all of it

still good to know

[neat plinth]

Yeah, but still the crosshair is gone, that’s what matters tbh

[supple mauve]

Yeah, definitely

[clever vessel]

Honestly, real talk: it’s often so hard to tell whatever the hell is contributing to the tickets in an average game

You watch your team get washed over and encircled in the dumbest move ever on waki but you’re still 300 points in the lead

And then opposite: your team does the caps, seems to be making kills not dissimilar to your foes, you look at the scoreboard and you’re like 400 behind

Winning and losing feels totally and utterly arbitrary in general tbh

After a while it becomes a general slog and misery where every situation eventually calls for the same ‘run to this point and kill people’ and it doesn’t seem like doing better or worse at the killing, inf or vehicle, matters at all

[rancid hound]

sure I can drop a 100 game on Wakistan on a tank, but what does that even mean in broader terms

[supple mauve]

Oh yeah, winning and losing feels kinda arbitrary, but that is more of a general issue. It's a general problem I think in battlefield-style game, though they try to alleviate it by letting you know what is going on. An announcer for example would help a lot, telling you when an objective has been captured etc.

Doesn't help that you have to open the scoreboard to see which team is winning

[clever vessel]

it's def a general problem in bf-style games where in service of the arcade often the pivotal activities are only being taken by two to three players (a really good tank squad, well-coordinated infantry, etc.) and around them are lots of secondary battles which don't immediately appear anywhere near as important

that said, in most of them you can tell with some degree of certainty the kind of impact your actions have, in bbr i've found that's just nigh impossible

though that's because, as others have already pointed out here, it's not that it's an opaque system in bbr, it's that in bbr the pieces are just kinda lying about and don't interact most of the time

[coral citrus]

Most important action you can take is demolishing buildings around capture points to make them easier to clear out tbh. But yeah, when you can have a group of randos on the other side of the map getting spawncamped and bleeding 50 tickets per minute...

[clever vessel]

honestly agreed, either that or just being a dear and clearing them out yourself (god wineparadise i love you but why does c conquest exist)

[coral citrus]

Eh, C isn't that bad considering it's in the middle and people do like meatgrinders. But stuff like point B, which has a bunch of large buildings enemies can hide in and from which they shoot at the people coming from spawn with little cover, that's a complete mess.

Stuff like that can tie a large part of the team in a losing fight.

[clever vessel]

oh my experience on wineparadise is that c will have very intense fights and then long periods of one guy sitting in one of the many second floor rooms

[desert cove]

Guys, 65 messeges more and this thread will beat inertia one

[rancid hound]

[rancid hound]

no fucking way

[coral citrus]

Unrelated to previous balance stuff, but I think it would be nice to reduce vehicle cooldowns and just keep a player-specific timer to block them from piloting a vehicle they recently got destroyed.

Currently a noob grabbing the team's single tank and getting destroyed in the first 30 seconds of the game can make things significantly more annoying for the team.

And in the case of vehicle mains, they keep track of timers so it's hard for anyone but them to get any time with the vehicles at all.

So that change would let everyone have a bit more fun I think.

[desert cove]

Good idea, but it would make BBR into war thunder/Golmund rails with the amount of armour. Idk if community wants that, pretty sure oki doesn't.

[coral citrus]

There would still be a set amount of vehicles per team as it wouldn't spawn a new one after someone takes the first one. Only after that one gets destroyed. It's just the time for the vehicle to be back up wouldn't be so long.

[shut crescent]

that moment when 1 guy who is very skilled at using something in the game means it should be nerfed to the ground

"hurrr i keep getting camped by this guy with p90 and im not doing anything to stop it NeRf ThE P90"

you can deterr a LB by straight up having an APC with a good gunner

or just

shooting at the littlebird

with 10 ish people all shooting at the 1 flying object one of you is going to hit the pilot enough to kill him or make him fuck off

[shut crescent]

this is like if people complained that AP mines were OP but activly refused to look at the floor

[magic ingot]

APC doesn't really do shit against LB, the spread is too wide and it cannot one shot kill like it easily sniping out Blackhawk tail rotor

[desert cove]

Solution, better accuracy and projectile velocity

[cedar ember]

I would agree with the. The spread on the APC gun is a little silly

[torpid elk]

Actually dude, it does

the problem isnt that littlebirda are strong. The problem is they are so strong they are completely divorced from all other elements of the game.

also, anyone who says "just shoot at the littlebird" shouldnt be listened to. Its onoy worthwhile if you are caught out in the open or the littlebird otherwise exposes themselves to risk (tip: good littlebird pilots dont)

seriously. The problem with littlebirds is that the only thing that can genuinely threaten a good pilot is another heli

like, interacting with littlebirds is extremely 1-sided. no amount of bullshitting about "oh, just shoot at them" is going to change the fact that against a good pilot 90% or more of your shots are going to miss and they will be gone before you do any meaningful damage to them and you will have just wasted ammo.

it doesnt even take that much skill to reach that level anyways, just a decent amount of self control and awareness. dont play greedy really

and lets not pretend that infantry shooting at a lb are not exposing themselves by doing so. they are practically screaming where they are with their tracers flying into the air and begging to get sniped

"hey hey, look at me. im moving slowly because im ads trying to shoot something up in the air and thus dont have my eyes on the ground to see any threats around me. im totally blind to any scope glint that might feasibly warn me before a sudden headshot"

[clever vessel]

Honestly yeah i’m coming around on LBs just being an infuriating menace espec since how the high performing ones play

They come in, do light strafes of a position, score three-four kills, bugger off before beginning the strafe again uncontested - which is like, literally not what the LB should be doing

I’m coming to this position where we should relegate the LB partly to a recon vehicle (maybe a scanner and the copilot being given the ability to mark out enemies?) and we get an AH with not rocket pods, which would be way better given its considerably larger silhouette + decreased maneuvreability just makes it far more balanced for the power

[torpid elk]

im a really bad pilot and only fly rarely and even with infantry trying to shoot at me i was able to get a kill or two and then bugger off before they could even shoot at or hit me

fly in at max altitude, spray at some dude prone in cover, fly off. rinse and repeat

[clever vessel]

Full transparency that i cannot fly the LB for my life, i’ve just been watching the LBs

You can say that you can shoot them down, but like, can you?? By the time you see them they’ve already gone off to mars

And then someone’s probably shooting at you and you need to pay attention to them and WHOOPS THE LB JUST GOT YOU sorry bro gl next time

[torpid elk]

it is theoretically possible, but you would need to land several hits on the pilot. if they even take a single hit they are already buggering off though so you need like a bunch of people spraying all at once. once they start taking fire they fly off so if you want to do anything you need to all coordinate and spray at the cockpit all at once right as the pilot exposes himself on a strafing run (assuming he ends up low enough that you can actually expect to hit him)

yea, sure technically im deterring him

[clever vessel]

And the key thing is once you do that, as you said, every infantry guy dies to some mook with a vector because no one is looking at them

[torpid elk]

but it doesnt mean shit because you need to keep several people on lb lookout duty and hope he can scare the lb off without the lb just melting him with its lasers (seriously, those guns are nutty)

[clever vessel]

Ikr

[torpid elk]

yea, like shooting at a lb when you get caught out in the open is fine, but absolutely DO NOT go sticking your heads out of windows and doorways just to spray at a lb and hope you deter him. you will just get shredded by a vector or a sniper

[clever vessel]

A bit of drag on the LB + giving its miniguns something more akin to the transport heli guns would be a good balancer imo

[torpid elk]

honestly, switch the guns of the two helis

[clever vessel]

(Kinda nutty that the transport heli guns are the ones that got properly balanced and not like. The current ‘attack’ heli)

[clever vessel]

Not even a bad idea considering how the transport heli is already much more vulnerable than the LB

But i’m an advocate for an AH for this reason

[torpid elk]

well, maybe not entirely switch. there needs to be some dispersion so the heli cant just hover at the top of the map with laser beams

hold up, we do have shotguns in the game. the blackhawk feels like im tickling people with random shotgun blasts from a mile out

[clever vessel]

Like this is the kinda design principle BF has with its vehicles, with three general classes + anti-air of vehicle for land, sea, air
The tanks have light vehicles designed for anti-infantry purposes, medium vehicles that are versatile at anti-tank purposes but difficult to use unsupported, the transport vehicles and the mobile anti-air boi
The air bois in return have the helis, which serve as constant close air support and limited anti-vehicle roles (LB for former, AH for latter too) and the jets which do air combat and pretty vicious anti-tank purposes

The helos in this game perhaps don’t need to be BF’s but atm they’re serving as this empty shell of the quadrupet, where air combat is possible but requires more cooperation, and there’s no real dedicated anti-vehicle role

Ironically it’s probably the best buff tanks and apcs have in this game

[cedar ember]

If they made the LB a little less agile it would be fine.

I do think ground to air weapons are a good idea, maybe attached to vehicles. But the BH needs love, or that will kill it.

[golden estuary]

BH is aight atm. Just pain cuz LB is over agile and the minigun is too accurate.

[cedar ember]

Ehh, tail rotor on BH is far too easy to kill... I would say about 40% of my flights get killed by a random lucky rotor hit.

Luck shouldn't be able to bring down a heli with 12 people in it.

[golden estuary]

True totes forgot about the tail

[desert cove]

I don't understand how nerfing/adding counter is reaonable when it's aimed at maybe 300 players, at max? I am aware of 30 good pilots, by looking at score boards on this dc and one other dedicated server for LB mains. Any nerf either raises skill celling, which really only postpones the problem, or lowers it, making it worse long therm. And any nerf that makes this gameplay loop worse is just unacceptable, we alredy have terrible gameplay loop for most vehicles.
On the other hand, adding a counter, will harm BH much more than LB, because they are alredy easier to hit and destroy. This definitely won't be met with applause from the community.

We are in a place when trying to rain in a extremely small minority will probably do at best the same harm, but to other players, and propably even more harm.

And shooting at LB works, but don't expect to win 1vs1 with it. In a game were teamwork exists, taking out power multipliers solo is a stupid thing to do, and the fact that it's possible with armoured vehicles just says how bad that gameplay part is designed.

[coral citrus]

Yeah just nerf the LB. Not so hard.

[coral citrus]

And I'm curious about this, can you show some game where any single-crewed "power multiplier" could not be taken down by a single player with relative ease? Air vehicles notwithstanding since they're always broken across all games lol

Like, I know from personal experience how every ground vehicle in Planetside 2 could be taken down by a single player. And doing a quick youtube search shows a bunch of clips of people doing the same across games from Battlefield to Squad.

And, to be clear, as someone who enjoys using Humvees, APCs and tanks, I am very happy with letting a single player get me if they put the work in. The thing I'm not happy about is C4 being the unconditionally best item in the slot and available to every single class such that no actual tradeoff is required to deal with vehicles of any kind. But that's a separate issue.

[desert cove]

I am aware of that. But I don't like that idea. Especially with how BBR plays on 127vs127.

[desert cove]

I too don't mind being outplayed, but this game makes it too easy. Like C4, it's easier to use effectively than in any BF or PS2, even including C4 fairies.
And tandesm that one shot APCs, its not hard to do, especially with 6m error margin

[desert cove]

Easy to say, but how? Changing physics would be hard, because it's not something Oki is good at, changing weapons by adding spread may work, but it increases skill celling and floor, only postponing the problem.

[coral citrus]

There's two very concrete changes I think can be tried with relatively little risk in upsetting the balance anywhere else.

• Directly nerf the LB by increasing damage falloff/spread. This does not increase the skill ceiling, it just shifts the ceiling-level effectiveness down and it does so in a way that requires the player to be more exposed to counter-attacks. You could argue it impacts effectiveness on the skill floor, but if you're really talking about skill floor, that's people who only hit targets by accident in the first place, so it's not going to make a huge difference.
• Indirectly nerf the LB by greatly increasing the projectile speed for Blackhawk miniguns. Those guns are near useless against infantry. They are decent at killing light vehicles, but boats and humvees are already so slow that the increased velocity would hardly make things worse for them. So it ends up being a change that essentially improves its effectiveness against the nimble LB.

[golden valley]

The above comment also goes for you

Blackhawks are already devestating to an lb of they actually try to even shoot at, which they dont

Making them even stronger would make the lb complete paper to a blackhawk, so when one does actually fight back there its completely unbalanced

Damage nerf on a gun that is 3 hits to kill (if no armor) that shoots from usually atleast 100 meters on a moving target is just also a bad nerf

The LB in itself isn't overpowered, it's so strong because the player doesn't even try to focus fire on it

[coral citrus]

You know what's devastating? Getting OHK from a tandem before you can't even react. That's not what the BH does to the LB.

And what makes you think you should be able to fight back? When I'm in a vehicle and I see infantry starting to flank around cover I fuck off because I know that's not where I'm supposed to be.

[golden valley]

That's exactly what an apc does

Cherry picked argument Lucuma

I should be able to fight back against a helicopter because its a helicopter

I cant damage an apc

Or a tank

[coral citrus]

Yes, I happened to pick a vehicle that does not get 100+ kills per game as an example of what something that's not ridiculous looks like.

[golden valley]

They can 1shot me

Just like every timmy with a heat rocket can 1shot me

[golden valley]

Literally every vehicle in the game can get 100kill games

watercanping APC

Hill camping tank

Only a blackhawk cant and its a transport

That completely murders any other vehicle

By dropping c4, shooting rockets from its door, or simply utilizing its 2 machine guns

[coral citrus]

Yeah, they can. Yet they don't nearly as often. Don't disrespect me by acting like I'm an idiot who can't read scoreboards.

[golden valley]

You disrespect yourself by using strawman arguments

They don't nearly as often because theyre not a niche that people actually train for

The amount of skill to get a 100 kill game puts you in the 1%

And I often see infantry with more kills standing above me on the leaderboard

Running into a lb who gets such high kd games is rare and theyre in the 1%

You run into them maybe every so many lobbies

I run into a good pilot maybe every 8 lobbies or so and I actively recruit them

The skill floor to get high kill games on those other vehicles is way lower.

Its that people dont care

[desert cove]

That's rare as fuck tho. And definitely not APC, WR should be 96, and water camping is useless and people are overselling it

[coral citrus]

And the skill floor to tell someone to put C4 on your drone and fly it at the "watercamping" APC is pretty low too. Seems balanced.

[golden valley]

Just as easy to do that to a heli

[coral citrus]

AHAHAH

Ok, show me how many times that happens to you per game.

[golden valley]

Get in a lb's path and maneuver it into them

[golden valley]

Lol, another staw man argument

It's happened atleast a dozen times

[coral citrus]

Asking for evidence is not a strawman. Is english your first language?

[golden valley]

An easily refutable weak and distorted argument is a strawman argument

[coral citrus]

"Show me evidence" is a request, not an argument.

How do you refute that lol?

[golden valley]

You didn't state it as a request, you stated it as an argument

Do you speak your own language?

[coral citrus]

So, are you gonna keep dancing around it, or will you share a full match so we can see what that looks like from your perspective?

[golden valley]

It's a dumb question in the first place

A good question would be how many times do people attempt it and how many times do they succeed

Because I RARELY see it attempted

When they do they usually will blow me up with it

[golden valley]

Which brings is back to the littlebird not being op

It's that no one really tries to fight it

When people do it does

Because I'm sitting here, I'm my open room out of glass

In a vehicle with 600hp

With a tail rotor that gets 1 shot

A single heat rocket will do it

If we nerf the lb it will make it complete paper when someone actually tries to take it down

And its already weak when people actually try

And you think 1 person should be able to take it down, they should not. It is a vehicle, a powrr multiplier, it should take multiple people to take down

[coral citrus]

Lmao, that's not anywhere close to the definition of a power multiplier. Power multipliers amplify the effectiveness of a given force. Three soldiers protecting a tank from flankers can take on two full squads.

A littlebird is off killing people wherever on its own.

[golden valley]

It multiplies the force of 1 very compotent user

[coral citrus]

Yeah, exactly, that's what nobody fucking wants to see.

[golden valley]

So don't play conq

Because that's what a vehicle does

[coral citrus]

Really? Haven't seen many 100 kill quads.

[golden valley]

Ever seen ethereal?

My members get those numbers on infantry too if we sweat

Viking does it too

Your point?

[coral citrus]

My point? It's funny how air exploiters are the same in all games, just endlessly crying so nobody will touch their blatantly OP toy. Anyway, I'll just block you and maybe I'll start crashing LBs on both teams at the beginning of every much so everyone can enjoy Conq. :D

[golden valley]

Thats griefing, good luck with that ban buddy

Blocking me signifies that you admit I won this argument, I thank you for that.

I'll be sure to tell the mods to keep an eye on you for griefing reports

[limpid flame]

@golden valley pls lets make a montage for them pls

[golden valley]

Sure lol

I'll ask my members to get clips

We'll collect them and make one of those sick montages with the spin zoom etc

But its just us dying

[desert cove]

That's not true, 3 players will not protect a tank. Even premades will struggle to keep it safe.

[golden valley]

He's a waste of time to argue with

[clever vessel]

I do not know what the hell I waded into and I am not gonna find out tbh, I admit I am not informed well on LB and I leave it to y'all to duke it out

[limpid flame]

Nah it's very important to teach people how it looks, it's the same as people thinking APCs are OP like wtf

You're playing CONQUEST with VEHICLES And people still complain despite there being 10+ other gamemodes that dont have vehicles

Why would we nerf any vehicle when they Just happen to be useful at 1 single gamemode

Where they are meant to be useful

[golden valley]

That's very fair of you

[limpid flame]

And not a single one of them is broken cause infantry still has 10x more impact on the game

[desert cove]

The same can be said about those that whine about it. "It's too op!" , "I can't enjoy the game" , "It's unbalanced" they scream, when doing nothing. You are lucky to meet one good LB pilot every 20 games, because there is not very much of them, to say at leats. But peole will scream for dedicated counters to imaginary problem, so they can just point and click, with no effort on thier part, to just shat down any much more skilled pllayer.

[golden valley]

A simple case of git gud

[limpid flame]

If you get caught out in the open by LB player thats no difference than you being caught out by surprise infantey person, either way you will most likely get shit on

[golden valley]

And lb is vunerable to everyone that walks around

[limpid flame]

And you think you have the right to give any balance ideas when you are literally fuming with hatred for LB players so much that you would rather become a griefer Lmao

[desert cove]

There is literally 127 players that can do something to you without changing classes, while doing anything. It only shows how little they care to do something, when everyone have tools for that.

[golden valley]

An m200 would do it

An ultimax would do it

A heat rocket would do it

An aug would do it

Anything would do it lol

[limpid flame]

A very persistent APC could do it
A very persistent tank has a chance to do it
A good blackhawk squad can do it
Another LB pilot can do it
A Group of people shooting firearms has a chance to do it

The New boat can do it aswell

You have humvees7m that can do it aswell

[desert cove]

They don't even need to be presistent. Tanks can do it while taking pot shots

[limpid flame]

Exactly

[golden valley]

I got 1shot by a MrCheese yesterday

They were impressive shots

[limpid flame]

Find me any other vehicle in this game that has that many counter @coral citrus

[golden valley]

I tried to recruit him for our AA

[limpid flame]

The collective community of this game is just simply too lazy to even try

[golden valley]

Lmao

[golden valley]

There is none

[desert cove]

You made it too easy tbh,

[desert cove]

PWC

[golden valley]

Lmao

Now those are hard to hit

[desert cove]

You can hit them, if you see them used

[golden valley]

Exactly

[desert cove]

This thread has beat inertia

[golden valley]

This thread has beaten most arguments against lb

Time to go dormant until someone has a better argument than wehhh I suck give me heatseeking rockets and nerf lb

[limpid flame]

@desert cove have we beaten inertia chat already?

[coral citrus]

Some how I think I'll still be reported way less than LB exploiters 😄

[limpid flame]

Somehow we dont really care about the reports, they dont really do anything to us, it doesnt take too much for mods And devs to understand we are not exploiters And we can play 24/7

But griefing is something that can actually be video recorded And sent to them

Multiple instances of that And that would not be so funny for you

[desert cove]

Yes, we fucking did, what a bunch of no lifes we are

[limpid flame]

Lets fucking gooo lmao