Support - Feedback

[lyric dust]

The problem with support is the pace of the game

[eternal glen]

Assault is just support but good

[lyric dust]

Congratulations for being smart

Would you like a cookie

[eternal glen]

Damn you're so useless

Don't need to read ya i'll continue giving ideas 💀

[lyric dust]

I'm a support main

[eternal glen]

I suppose it could be an idea to give them something else to do?
I've seen somewhere helping them give some armor or repair it for other teammates, it could be fun!
Limiting some gadgets to just support ; trophy system is cool for everyone but i think it could be a support only thing, to go with the class name at least

[lyric dust]

My the actual response is this: support is fine where it is but it's extremely hard for a new player to get any effective use out the class. Significant time and game sense are required to make the most of supports strengths

You have unlimited ammo effectively, and extremely powerful area denial tools

I am in favor of a suppression mechanic but it's not required

[eternal glen]

Having them give ammo in general is sort of useless ; why not have them give armor instead, sounds fun at least. Armor feels like it helps you for one firefight and then its gone.
Giving them DMRs or the defense weapon things could be an interesting idea to see

To at least have different playstyles doable for the class, like assault or engineer have

[lyric dust]

It's less ammo and more specials, rpgs, c4s, bandages, grenades

Recon has far less game impact 9/10 times

[eternal glen]

Having a supression mechanic could be interesting, but needs more work than just a buff for the class..
Armor is kinda useless as you take ages to get into a fight and get downed just as quick as everyone else since you take ages to get your weapon to bear.
More things to construct is a possibility, little sandbag nests where one can crouch down and shoot with ease. Maybe even just the right height for bipod?

Shovel to dig down or something to make a quick hiding place

[lyric dust]

Armor is useful but it needs to be dropable after it's been used

[eternal glen]

Just some mechanic or idea that makes the class actually unique, I think it's interesting that it changes the battlefield around ; they already build stuff instantly.

[lyric dust]

The problem is there's few good supports

You're not going to see the people who can construct proper fortifications cause they're rare

The class sucks ass to learn

[eternal glen]

Anyway these are the ideas i've got

[lyric dust]

You have a lot of ideas that get thrown around a lot here

So that's a good sign

You have good game intuition

[lyric dust]

MG3 when

[hot solar]

support is getting all br i think so they are getting buffed by getting some of the 3 shot riffles

Fal, SCAR-H, AK-15, G3, and new gun comin out

[shadow walrus]

i wonder if the brs are gonna stay on suppy for long

i feel like they dont rlly fit

but with only 4 soon 5 weapons to choose from

i dont mind

[hot solar]

they 100% fit

hell most games the have the SCAR-H has them with drum mags

and the new RPK i think is going to be a BR

unless they make it a LSW

[dreamy prawn]

I feel like BRs fit with support as their generally medium to longish range weapons, same as the LMG's and support weapons. Just trades in the bullet hose of low damage for high damage at the cost of ammo

[hot solar]

ya they might make it a LSW because its the RPK-16 which is in 5.45×39mm not the bigger round most people think of with the normal RPK

hope it gets a drum mag option

that actually balanced and usable

[flat sedge]

pace of game, armor system, guns tend to be subpar in various regards (to clarify a example MG36 vs other 3 tappers, it has the lowest damage & FR along with more recoil as a non exhausting example)

[flat sedge]

build instantly, repair/construct faster & decon faster as well

[flat sedge]

Heavy armor, heavy weapon and defensive focus, BRs are just heavy rifles to go with

[flat sedge]

I guess it would be a LSW to be honest

[shadow walrus]

its gotta be an lsw

[lyric dust]

I'm just concerned that this change essentially invalidates lsws, and is pushing support more towards fat assault rather than it'd own thing

[flat sedge]

if it invalidates the LSWs fully & utterly, it says they need buffs

[dreamy prawn]

To me it's just more options, There's times I I prefer the spray of a LMG and LSW and others I wish I had the further range/stopping power of a BR

[flat sedge]

But to sum up, I feel only One BR may cause any issue and it is the fal and only the fal and I am unsure of this

And as nope said, it is preference

[lyric dust]

I'm not opposed to buffs

[flat sedge]

nor I

The LSWs tend to be a interesting case

same for the LMGs

almost all of support's current loadout is 600 velocity(excluding L86) and have 100m max damage range to start with, that is

Odd

like the M4 & several ARs are 700+ in velocity with 50m generally max damage range

Than we look at a more direct one to one comparison of the M249 & M4A1

M249 has 3 upsides(V-recoil,magazine capacity & max damage range) & rest excluding the damage & RPM being downsides

MG36 lowest RPM, and Lowest damage of the three tappers , you get the idea

but a bipod to their attachments, is a decent buff

[lyric dust]

Mg36 should do 36 damage

It's in the name

[bright umbra]

Need me my 3 shot

[fierce dawn]

AK-74 meta gonna b crazy

[bright umbra]

F2000 users:

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[woven fossil]

Ultimax should one shot no armor

[lyric dust]

Mg3 should exist

[gilded dock]

I would like higher velocity. It gets a little annoying having to lead people more with my long range lmg than with what basically amounts to a carbine.

[livid carbon]

how much velocity?

like i would be down for 700-900m/s across the board for lmgs

[gilded dock]

Equal or higher than AR counterparts. I'm not picky.

[stark blade]

The PP2000

[obsidian sentinel]

any positive change for Armor as a system would be a massive W for Support

Armor being renewable would be a massive W

Support having more Support options besides Ammo would be a massive W

maybe get assist from people killing from or near your defensive structures

actually motivate people to Build

atleast for Support since Support players need to build alot more often

[hot solar]

na that starting LSW is really good actually its not really going to be over shadowed
also this whole game is about running and gunning everything kills way to fast not to be

[paper vector]

No, that’s just because environments are crowded and death is cheap

[hot solar]

no one complained about the starting LSW before its neft/buff except that it had to much recoil
its was one of the highest ttk guns around the same speed as the Fal

[fierce dawn]

if the FAL is an issue on support, it's an issue on every other class with access to it too.

which may in fact be the case!

[flat sedge]

it does have second highest damage of the BRs & the fastest RPM as well

[paper vector]

It is tricky with support, because it can take armour that gives it a big advantage on a fresh respawn

And if you also give them the most meta guns, that acts multiplicatively in a way

Since they’re more likely to win fights and so keep their armour

I think oki is worried they’ll become annoying to fight, which is why support’s weaponry has been pretty tame generally

But this might change things a bit

[lyric dust]

Incoming exo nerf

[hot solar]

I've never had a problem killing a full exo like most guns only need to take 2 more shots and that if you only hit the vest

exo isn't as powerful as people think it is most of the time you only notice it when you only hit it every other time you probably won't even notice it and just think its a different class

[lyric dust]

There's two kind of exo users, the kind that are farmed, and the guys who abuse the first fight advantage

[hot solar]

your more likely to see the ones getting farmed XD

[lyric dust]

And people definitely notice exo, I get complaints about using even just the hat regularly from snipers

[lyric dust]

There's not a lot of good support mains

[hot solar]

tbh i see more support in medium armor and a exo helmet

[livid carbon]

the ones who are, don't use exo...

[lyric dust]

True

[hot solar]

ya

exo is a handy cap after 1 or 2 fights

[lyric dust]

I run exo hat usually because I dislike snipers

I've been running lighter stuff more recently

I wish armor didn't reset after prestige

[paper vector]

I'd say it's more powerful than most people think given the attitudes in the server.

even with people who aim for the body mostly hitting limbs, it's pretty substantial

[obsidian sentinel]

exo chest is pretty bad

i can definetly see merits behide exo helm because of snipers

but exo chest in particular is just a handicap

the extra armor is just gone from a stray shot and 1 gunfight

and the penalties are just crippling

[fierce dawn]

yeah having to go 45 levels wearing goku's weighted training clothes b4 you can move again sucks for support

[still ledge]

this is some samurai jack training

be in a worst position so you can be better when you have them off

[livid carbon]

rpk is coming boiiiiss

[paper vector]

The helmet gives you worse movement speed relative to the protection it gives, generally

ExoHelm+NormalChest is both less protective and slower in move speed than ExoChest+NormalHelm

Though since the less protective metric doesn’t factor snipers they’re probably about the same on that front

But yeah, still move speed difference

[lethal river]

Hyyype

[still ledge]

Jesus christ the buff for the lmgs and lsws was way to fast lmao

[lyric dust]

L86 buff

[lyric dust]

Global support buff👀👀

[fringe tree]

https://tenor.com/view/more-of-this-please-amanda-holden-britains-got-talent-i-want-more-give-me-more-gif-26035296

glad to see MG36 getting a recoil buff...

velocity also welcome a lot

[lethal river]

woooooooo l86

wait

is that the 3 hit breakpoint?

[lyric dust]

No

[fringe tree]

no, not anymore

[lethal river]

wait we don't have the dmg barrel

right

[lyric dust]

34 damage

[stark blade]

that's 34 damage

[fringe tree]

33.3dmg in theory, long/heavy up the 32 to 33.6 when they buffed dmg

[lethal river]

that velocity is actually huge

[fringe tree]

any buff to my gun is welcomed

[lethal river]

you love to see it 🥹

[fringe tree]

yesterday playing frontline on salham and I was just counter sniping dirty with it...

[lyric dust]

I'm at 5.2k

L86 gang

[lethal river]

excited to try out the new mg36 when update drops, lil extra vert buff

[lyric dust]

And we get bipod

[lethal river]

huge

[fringe tree]

Shed out of that exo armor for normal and think you are an assault... L86 peak playstyle

[lyric dust]

I need heavy chest for maximum carrying capacity

(I'm a hoarder)

[fringe tree]

I'm a compulsive reloader

[lyric dust]

I require as much as possible

[stark blade]

can we get a bipod for the bipod

[lyric dust]

Either way, anyone dedicated to the L86 is an ally of mine

[livid carbon]

i don't use nades that often and my dakka dakka serves me well in conjunction with the ammo kit so medium armor it is

[lyric dust]

Tactical bibibipod

[lethal river]

realest suggestion out there

[lyric dust]

I'm a grenadier

[fringe tree]

we need a bipod for the canted RDS

[livid carbon]

bisexualpod

[alpine dove]

bipod for sledeghammer

[lyric dust]

Unfortunate my 5 key was broken for 2 months so I had to be conservative with nades

[lyric dust]

Bipolarpod

[livid carbon]

ayo

[fringe tree]

I use smoke nades alot... Brazilian server are like half sniper and glint galore no matter the map

[lyric dust]

Ok so real stats talk, l86 might be the most consistent thing since sliced bread, MG36 got a massive usability increase, m249 will be an even greater destructor of hallways, and the ultimax was already great so any buff, especially to velo, is epic

[livid carbon]

velocity made me wanna cry on lmgs when shooting at 100m+

[lyric dust]

Rejoice

[lethal river]

eating like kings rn

[fringe tree]

ultimax playstyle is borin for me... I need to run and move alot

[lyric dust]

This amount of attention for support is a sign of the end times

[fringe tree]

support main btw...

[lethal river]

a gun for everyone in support 🥹

[lyric dust]

I do that with ulti but my games are very bipolar with it

[lethal river]

brute force my cqc with a slip sight ultimax

[lyric dust]

If the prophecy is true, the day of the MG3 might not be as far off as once believed...

[fringe tree]

it's upfront dps is too slow... in the good games you are probably getting lucky with not 100% hp people or hitting more headshots. It's stats pull you to the prone-bipod where it is a monster

[lyric dust]

In good games I'm able to reliably get to good rooftops

[fringe tree]

that too

[lyric dust]

And have a squad I can team play with

Having someone to watch your back while I cover a road is always amazing

Or vice versa

[fringe tree]

so many times I start yelling at the snipers of the squad when the point THEY ARE IN is getting captured but they are looking to the horizon

[lyric dust]

Wait

This ultimax update+ the glint changes

Countersniping incorporated tiem

[fringe tree]

and the rpk tho... that sound has some umph to it

[lyric dust]

Is this what it feels like to be a relevant class?

[fringe tree]

I really hope the gun IS GGOD... like GOOD GOOD so people will head the sound and start running the other way

[lyric dust]

I can assume it's at least as good as the current buffed lsws, which is already nice

[lyric dust]

You're the highest kill count I've seen for l86, have you seen any higher ones yet?

[fringe tree]

no

[lyric dust]

Based

[fringe tree]

right now i'm on 6.7ish...

if I play this weakend 7k is not a problem there, assuming there are conquestdomination servers on brazil

[lyric dust]

I might be a bit later than you but it's onwards to 10k and beyond for us

[fringe tree]

the only 247 player server is frontline... and it's a clusterfuck with that many people

[lyric dust]

I would imagine the 10k+ kills club for l86 is small

[fringe tree]

L86 would be a meta weapon if it wasnt in support tbh... it was borderline OP when long barrel got it to 33.6 dmg

that 2-tap on no helmet heads passed under the radar for too long just because support is the least played class

[lyric dust]

We were eating good

[woven fossil]

Really excited for the support buffs but damn Oki please touch the Ultimax draw speed it's ridiculous

[lyric dust]

I think it's justified with it's performance

You gotta anticipate and plan to get the most out of it

It's also a whole ass lmg so I'm not surprised it's pretty slow

[still ledge]

To be precise it was a better fal but you are at a disavantage just for playing full exo

Aand outside of that it would basically be the same effectiveness as any class

[woven fossil]

Would be justified if the M249 wasn't a literal full second faster and outputs more damage

[still ledge]

It is a gun more focused in mid and close ranges than the max tbh

[lyric dust]

Ulti got that sweet sweet long range performance though

[still ledge]

Unlike ultimax that is more mid and long range

[woven fossil]

Honestly M249 bipod has good range too now it's kinda crazy

[still ledge]

You do need to be about postion more than the max

You can still be effective in long ranges without the bipod

Unlike the m249 that without it is difficult to hit something without it

[lyric dust]

Main chats about to do the thing again

[still ledge]

What is it

[lyric dust]

Minor argument about the USAF involvement (they are fighting for hours on end)

[still ledge]

You know how politics in a country is this bad when this Bring drama somehow

[lyric dust]

Tell me about it

[still ledge]

Why should a collab of a war game with the army be an issue in the first place

It just sounds like bringing drama that the game has nothing to do about for close to no reason
Worst is people comparing the military with others
My brother in christ everyone will do same thing

[dry bobcat]

Because people seldom like it when the real world is injected into their escape from reality

[flat sedge]

3 hit is 33.4 at min

[gilded canopy]

It was always an issue, from the first COD to nowdays

its just that seeying in a indie game its more icky

[idle valley]

lmao i didn't realize the USAF thing was a collab

america must be getting really desperate

not enough young men willing to be sent to their meaningless deaths

[lyric dust]

Keep the debate contained in the #battlebit-eng I beg of you

[flat sedge]

so the MG36 had quite a good few buffs

And M249 as well

[idle valley]

L86 not getting a mag size buff is kinda cringe

like 5 more bullets per mag is all it really needs

[lyric dust]

L86 is goated wym

[idle valley]

it's decent but it's nowhere near goated, especially not after the damage/LB changes

[lyric dust]

Especially with the dmg increase it will 4tap a bit more consistently now

[idle valley]

4 tapping is cool and all but you have to remember that it used to 3 tap consistently

[lyric dust]

Still a ridiculous ttk

It would be meta on any other class

[idle valley]

i think it's more balanced now but you can't kill as many enemy gamers per magazine which kinda blows

and the TTK really isn't that good?

it's 0.232; not bad by any means, but there are a lot of guns with less

AK15 and FAL for example, which support will get access to

so i don't see L86 staying relevant unless it has it's own niche

[lyric dust]

Did you read the buffs

[idle valley]

did you?

[lyric dust]

Faster ads+ accuracy = even better performance

[idle valley]

because 31 -> 32 damage isn't going to make anyone pick it over the AK15 or FAL

0.06s faster ADS and 50 more velocity is definitely going to make a difference

[flat sedge]

Keep in mind, the AK15 has a slower TTK than the MG36 last I checked

[idle valley]

yeah

[obsidian sentinel]

Also horrid handling

It handles like an LMG

[flat sedge]

Otherwise the L86 offers a faster fire rate & is easier to use

[idle valley]

it's easier to use sure, but it's not rewarding once you're actually good at the game

you need more time and more bullets per kill than the MG36, and you also have less bullets

[flat sedge]

I would say it isn't the worse ever, similar to the HK in some ways

similar fire rate, more damage and max damage range

[idle valley]

obviously, it's not bad or anything. but it's underwhelming compared to it's contemporaries, and it's only going to be more underwhelming when it has to compete with the AK15 and FAL

[flat sedge]

so bit more consisent vs armor at a cost of 25 less rpm

[obsidian sentinel]

Its also a bit slower

But honestly superior to the HK419 but has slower movement speed

[idle valley]

absolutely not

[obsidian sentinel]

A pretty good representation of how LSW compared to ARs

[idle valley]

HK419 has a goofy silly TTK, between the AK15 and MG36

[flat sedge]

will state this, the L86 does decent work and again, it is the rank 0, first gun & etc on support

[idle valley]

L86 cannot compare

[flat sedge]

it is the easy to use, decent at various tasks gun

[idle valley]

yes, it does decent work, and it is fun to use when it works, but it desperately needs buffs if it is to have any amount of relevancy in the support meta

[flat sedge]

It does have some relevancy in my opinion

[idle valley]

1 more damage and 50 more velocity isn't going to cut it

[obsidian sentinel]

That 1 more dmg does make a serious difference

It actually 4 shot normal armor now

[idle valley]

as a support player you should be very aware that armor does not matter

[obsidian sentinel]

Yes and no

[idle valley]

the vast majority of kills doesn't hit armor at all

like yeah sure 4 tapping armor is cool but it's not that impactful really

since you shouldn't be aiming for armor to begin with

[obsidian sentinel]

Problem is that people in general aim for center mass

[idle valley]

then that's kind of a skill issue

the optimal place to aim is the neck area. no body armor, and no helmet

and even if you were to aim for the center mass; chances are you'll just hit the arms anyway

but i digress. 32 damage is obviously better than 31, but it's not the kind of change that's going to make anyone pick the gun over any of the other options

[obsidian sentinel]

Like honestly mg36 can feel inconsistent at times

[idle valley]

it can. it's a hard gun to use, but extremely rewarding if you can get good with it

that is it's niche, and it fulfills it wonderfully

meanwhile the M249 has a niche in being an M4A1 with 100 bullets; it's incredible for flanking, and the ultimax is amazing at range

and the BRs will outclass the L86 simply because they kill faster and do so with less bullets

[obsidian sentinel]

Do they?

[idle valley]

yes

L86A1 is 0.232, AK15 is 0.222, FAL is 0.185

[obsidian sentinel]

Ak15 is kinda in an eh spot rn

Like idk how this thing handles like an LMG

[idle valley]

the main issue with the L86 is that it has a really long reload and you can't really kill a whole lot of people with a single mag, not since the LB changes

hence why i think it getting more bullets would make it far more usable

[obsidian sentinel]

Lets hope extended gets buffed

[idle valley]

i mean preferably by default

like 35 in the default mag would be ideal

[obsidian sentinel]

I prefer funny 55 round mag

But sadly it kicks like a mule and slows me down more than carrying a proper LMG for some reason

[idle valley]

yes extended mags are kind of a meme

[obsidian sentinel]

I think 35 rounds mag are fine

But the changes to the l86 rn is a good step to the right direction

Ak15 and Fal does have their own problems

Ak15 having really horrid handling for no reason

[idle valley]

both of them are hard to handle because they kill fast and efficiently

[obsidian sentinel]

Like 0.3s ads speed, thats the ads speed for LMGs

The Fal is a shotgun on steroids

[obsidian sentinel]

We might as well add shotguns at this point

[obsidian sentinel]

But because FAL kicks like a mule, it does make engagement beyond like 40 meters more inconsistent and slower in general

[still ledge]

Me when the army recruitment building has anime woman in it

[idle valley]

that + 20 round mag

it's a really fucking hard to use gun, but second to none once you can deal with the downsides

[obsidian sentinel]

You cant really deal with it

[still ledge]

I remember geting utterly destroyed by a fal player when he got me by suprise

[idle valley]

you very much can

[obsidian sentinel]

Maybe you can deal with the low mag size but you mostly circumvent its weakness in ranged combat

[idle valley]

it's my most used gun

[still ledge]

He didnt even hit my armour aswell

[idle valley]

you want to tap fire it at range

and it's also the only gun where the extended mag is actually good

[obsidian sentinel]

You can tap fire but it would turn into a psuedo dmr but worse

Its not an ideal situation to be in

[still ledge]

Also that with support you can just get lmgs

I definetly see fal being used to cqc with no exo

[obsidian sentinel]

Extended is only good because you will shove the gun barrel into people faces anyway

Fal is just a shotgun on steroids

[fierce dawn]

this is bipod erasure

[summer prairie]

I found the MG36 pretty good as it was tbh

[lyric dust]

It's better than most give it credit for

Buff+ bipod will be very cool

[fierce dawn]

pretty much all the 3-tap guns are pretty good but it was pretty clearly the worst of them imo

making it 20% more responsive is a good change imo

[flat sedge]

it is a bare min damage for 3 tap, so any armor makes it a 4 tap easily

[flat sedge]

extended & drums

[obsidian sentinel]

Yeah i really hope they get buffed

Most of them are just detrimental to use rn

They are one of the few attachments that feels like a downgrade overall

[flat sedge]

RPK-16 feels Nice

[obsidian sentinel]

Is it in rn?

[obsidian sentinel]

What are the stats

[lyric dust]

^

I'm not home yet

Very sad

[flat sedge]

32 680 rpm

[flat sedge]

better yet

[obsidian sentinel]

Hmm they arent half bad

Hey this might actually might be a good gun

[gilded canopy]

my god, this is awesome

[drifting mulch]

wow finally something happeni9ng to supports

[lyric dust]

L86 feels amazing

probably just cause im so familiar but damn is this good

[drifting mulch]

it's my favorite hipfiring support weapon

[alpine shore]

The LSWs feel like actual support weapons now, thoroughly enjoying them
Same goes for the LMG buffs, they arre lovely stable when in a good position

[drifting mulch]

are the changes really that big?

[alpine shore]

Yeah, bipods for LSWs change how they perform by a lot, and the velocity increase in LMGs is very welcome

[drifting mulch]

did oki buff bipods again?

[alpine shore]

Not again, it has been a few months since they got buffed, but a 30% reduction on all recoils is no joke

[drifting mulch]

Thought it was alright but the need to be completely static and usually lying down to use it properly is what I'm not a fan off. Lot of windows are usually too low to use while standing up or too high while crouching

you forcibly have to build something to get the right height

[alpine shore]

Oh, i agree they could definitely get a change to have less finicky hitboxes, but i'm mostly ok with how they are now since you can properly support with all the support weapons

oh, and that LMG light damage increase is fun, it makes it quite a bit more effective against jeeps and helis

a couple of guys on m249s can wreck a heli if they set their mind to it

[drifting mulch]

that is what I'm eyeballing 👀

the light damage on m249

I just like shooting choppers

[obsidian sentinel]

So shooting choppers actually is good on support now

[alpine shore]

tho if i had to point a single greatest QoL for support, it's probably sniper glint
don't get me wrong, the glint changes aren't purely bad for snipers, since the foilage blocking it is amazing, but it also feels a bit fairer to go against when you can see where the guy 300 meters away is even if they have an acog instead of a big sight

in general, just delighted by what the update did for support

[obsidian sentinel]

Kinda wish the m249 horizontal recoil isnt so Horizontal

[alpine shore]

it's not as bad as it looks tbh, with just a bipod you can 1.3 * 0.7 = 0.91, add something like a flash hider or whatever to it and it's goated

[obsidian sentinel]

I mean i am using bmc and flash hider

[alpine shore]

oh, that seems like it'll get your vertical up by quite a bit

[obsidian sentinel]

Bipod got buffed but my playstyle and building style doesnt fit with bipods

[drifting mulch]

I think it's funny snipers are getting memed. I wasn't exactly getting wrecked by them or anything, but I can see why it's being done

[obsidian sentinel]

Vertical recoil is fine its just that horizontal recoil on it is really bad unusually

[alpine shore]

Eh, it's nowhere near as bad as it seems rn
The glint on medium scopes doesn't have as wide a cone and it's much more muted than the old glint

[drifting mulch]

I think the "control" stat controls how quickly the weapon bounces back to normality? I found the l86 bounces like crazy visually when I use it

makes it really annoying to aim with so I really just use it as a hipfiring death machine and it works perfectly like that

[alpine shore]

the control stat controls weapon sway atm i believe

[lyric dust]

Im running a support party in NA VC 1 if anyone is interested

[summer prairie]

I might jump on in half an hour

[still ledge]

Just want to say rhat bipod and the new weapon is really good

[still ledge]

what is this monstrosity i created

looks like a toy gun

[sweet sinew]

wow you nerfed the M249

[summer prairie]

L89 feels good with a bipod

[lyric dust]

l86

[summer prairie]

Yeah

[still ledge]

Im liking the new weapon alot

Want a magazine rework so i can use it with 60 bullets

[summer prairie]

Wish the required kills was a little lower for LSWs

[obsidian sentinel]

Literally 98% of extended or drum need massive buffs or an entire rework to make them worthwhile to use

[halcyon herald]

What are your thoughts on drum mags not affecting recoil nearly as much, and instead removes the ability to fast reload?

[fringe tree]

https://tenor.com/view/noice-nice-click-gif-8843762

First round with RPK 99/33... veredict

[weary garden]

chat, you know me and I know you

I come to ask for your support in something that gives support freedom from discrimination

https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1179971749614469150

For those of you who've chatted with me you know this comes from wanting support to be a better class, not to nerf it

[tepid jolt]

lol no

[livid carbon]

fixing the lvl requirement for armors and fixing the system itself 👎
just deleting it 👍

[tepid jolt]

imo body armor should protect the whole body including arms and legs, helmet should protect the whole head, and make the armor be renewable in some way without respawning. That way it actually has a consistent impact and can be more easily balanced

[flat sedge]

oki added bipods

[flat sedge]

Agreed there

[flat sedge]

(Watches as shroud gets downed by a sniper in the second map, Repeatedly while repeeking the same angle)

[gilded canopy]

support being superior as always

[flat sedge]

hmmm

So Jessie, we need to make the leaning tower of Hesco

I WANT TO BUILD A TOWER TO THAT SILO!

[gilded canopy]

this is life

[drifting mulch]

Rpk is nice

[summer prairie]

Oh, so that's what that patch note meant

[gilded canopy]

we are not doing anything else fdfads

[bright umbra]

Crank some 90s

[quartz scaffold]

Devs, thank you so much for adding the battle rifles to the support! It really needed some more guns! ❤️

[quartz scaffold]

The removal of the point count on the UI really fucked up playing support and now I have no clue how many points I have unless I tried to build stuff

[lyric dust]

My current workaround is setting the leaderboard to squad mode and just seeing the point total there

[quartz scaffold]

How do you do that?

[lyric dust]

It's in the settings I don't remember exactly where, should be in gameplay I think?

[quartz scaffold]

Alright thank you!

[woven fossil]

its december and the lvl0 m4a1 still shreds exo yay

[lyric dust]

Everything shreds exo

[gilded dock]

Only things that don't are the light handguns

[gilded canopy]

tbh ive been playing full exo latetly and idk why but it feels a lot better to play now with BR's

maybe we got a ghost buff?

[tepid jolt]

its just that br are a better weapon lol

[quartz scaffold]

Are they? I found myself being more successfull with the l86 before the buff, and now I'm performing even better with it.

The m249 with the bipod is also very fun now.

I feel like BR are quite bad at long range because of the very strong recoil

[tepid jolt]

g3 is good for long range, it used to be a dmr

[flat sedge]

brs have a faster base ads if it helps

[flat sedge]

g3 has around 900m max damage range or something crazy like that

[gilded canopy]

g3 is literally hitscan

you can get it to 940 velocity lol

[lyric dust]

L86 good

[gilded canopy]

gosh the G3 is so good and i dont like it

really hating the fact that i dont like it fdsafdsfdfdsadsadsa

[fierce dawn]

maybe put some more kills into it and get some attachments?

some guns just need a little love before they click

[lethal river]

no it's good for them they just hate it lmao

[rugged socket]

Armor is kinda shit in this game.

[lyric dust]

mostly turue

[obsidian sentinel]

Suport be eating good this update

Bandage changes kinda made support a fat medic?

[gilded dock]

Indirect nerf to building tho, unless I'm the only one who doesn't like the new build menu

[idle valley]

not really, the general consensus seems to be that it's trash

[paper vector]

Nah building is way easier now

Less clicks and placing the same thing again doesn’t even require you to look at the interface

[lyric dust]

Maximum home depot

[idle valley]

not being able to see how many squad points you have sure makes building easier

[paper vector]

it's an issue, but it doesn't affect you as long as you've got a decent amount

I build quite a lot and pretty much never don't have enough

[lethal river]

I get used to it, if anything the sensitivity feels pretty low if we could adjust it that'd be good

[still ledge]

Worst is reching the limit

I actually did with the barbed wire and i was confused why i couldnt build more

I really think trying to build the building number 51 should just delete the oldest building instantly

[hot solar]

if your placing the same thing over amd over again its not bad because it has your last thing you placed at the top but if your switching between things its not as convenient

and they are going to fix the squad points so that should be fine soon

[hot solar]

i think they did that for balance

[paper vector]

90% of what I place is the solid sandbags ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[alpine hornet]

I do not understand why each individual fortification has a cooldown. Forces you to switch between two of them for fast building which is just annoying. And it’s shared across the squad for some reason.

Should just be a per-player cooldown that’s like 1/3 or 1/4 the length of the current per-fortification squad-wide cooldown

[hot solar]

probably lag or to stop people from using all the sandbags up

and to stop over building and making some point impossible to take

[woven fossil]

new build menu makes supporting painful
and tbh it feels like swapping from non guns is slower ?
going to and from ammo kits and trophies feels extremely sluggish

[obsidian sentinel]

Yeah i think the mouse sensitivity while in the pinging UI can be increased

Its so goddamn slow and you essentially need to git gud with tapping numbers if you want to build fast

And it seem the height of certain barricades are lowered?

[lyric dust]

ye

Tbh I've been building faster with this update

The wheel is more intuitive for me

[obsidian sentinel]

I think if the sensitivity get increased it could be good for me

Since i am not good with numbers

Besides for building accidently getting nerfed

And prob would be fixed soon

Support be eating good

[lethal river]

Apparently it's bugged on some resolutions according to oki

Under suggestions > return quick ping

So hopefully it gets fixed

[still ledge]

same for me

o>2>2 and then build a sandbag

[woven fossil]

meta lmg when

[lethal river]

Ultimax 🥹

[woven fossil]

meta nope

[shadow walrus]

rpk feels so good

BIPODS ON LSW WAS SUCH A GOOD CHANGE

l86 and rpk have managable enough recoil without with just a barrel attatchment, shooting them without the bipod deployed doesnt feel awful like it does with the lmg's

[fringe tree]

can someone clarify to me what EXACTLY the bipod does? after so much nerf/buff/change, I can't find a up to date explanation in detail of what it is supposed to do

[paper vector]

reduces H and V recoil by 30% when deployed

[livid carbon]

once you deploy it (there's a little icon showing that it is deployed) it reduces vertical and horizontal recoil by 30%

[paper vector]

afaik. This is by word of mouth as I did not see any announcement from the devs

[livid carbon]

it was posted by oki in the update channel but deleted a few miutes later 🤷

[paper vector]

weird

[livid carbon]

ye

[stark blade]

is the bonus really still 30% after the bipod no longer has any debuffs?

[paper vector]

wdym

[shell hound]

30% reduction ONLY when the bipod is deployed, otherwise it solely reduces control and ADS? values by w mild amount when not deployed.

[livid carbon]

yes?
it was 50% before but with 20% recoil penalties, among a plethora of other handling nerfs

[stark blade]

aight thanks

[summer prairie]

So there was another bipod buff today?

[livid carbon]

nope

[summer prairie]

Okay

[weary garden]

It also gives a fsk bonus now iirc

[woven fossil]

I really think one of these would make a very fun support gadget

[alpine hornet]

Or assault

[still ledge]

Ngl the class that needs something more unique is engie

A grenade launcher would be good on engie aswell something like mortars

[woven fossil]

Engineer has a rocket launcher.

[still ledge]

He is the class that loses its uniqueness when going in gamemodes with no vehicles

[woven fossil]

except for blowing up buildings and people

[still ledge]

Mfw c4 and everyone has it

[woven fossil]

lemme c4 a building from 50m

oh is that some1 spraying from a window? Theyre dead now

[still ledge]

Engie having only rpgs where the most used on is tandem that is just perfoming more than it should snd will recieve a nerf, being know as a demolish expert and something of a repairman is quite limited in that aspect or something like support can do it well already

Mortars, something like breachers that can destroy player buildings in a instant, even grenade launchers would be fitting with engie the most out of every class

Because i aint gonna lie
Outside of games with vehicles or in some maps with chokes, i would debate engies are the rarest class to appear in a game

Im seeing more supports and it is something i am really suprised and liking it ngl

Got killed by a support in a corridor only to see a conga line of 5 slow players geting out of the corner

[alpine hornet]

Uhhhh tell me you’ve never used Heat RPG without telling me you’ve never used HeatRPG

The thing is insane

It’s so much better than tandem

When I play engie like 1/3 of my kills come from Heat RPG’ing infantry

I’ve gotten quad kills with it, I’ve gotten so many kills where the person takes cover and you just blow them up with their cover

If your primary runs out you can pull it out and kill someone close range

Point it at a door someone’s going to come thru for a free kill

It’s a menace

[still ledge]

oh yeah because i am just used to using tadem to fuck a vehicle in particular, my bad on that one, but im ok with nerfing them(or the thought that you have this many rpgs to begin with instead of one or two)

[alpine hornet]

Yeah I mean the frag RPG is useless so they could buff that as a start

But the heat rpg is probably the best gadget in the game

[still ledge]

frag rpg is the one you have first unlocked yeah?

kinda feel i got cheated because i remember hitting a fucker at his torso and still went living his life like he just got a bruise or something

[alpine hornet]

You start with the heat actually

Frag is just bad, nobody uses it because it’s worse than heat in literally every way

But the heat is really really strong

It’s even good for killing vehicles besides tanks, and it can harass tanks pretty well

40 damage to LAVs, 20 to tanks

1 shot kill scout helicopter

[still ledge]

how do you get that good kills jesus

sometimes i have to shoot two times to kill a guy

[alpine hornet]

Trick to the heat is positioning

Have to be shooting down at people so always immediately push to high ground

[still ledge]

ok im not even gonna sa more because i want to see it again

you cant destroy building with heat yeah?

[alpine hornet]

You can

[still ledge]

or like you can and my luck is just this shit

jesus

[alpine hornet]

Big explosion

[still ledge]

ok im gonna check that shit

[alpine hornet]

Kills people behind walls too

Takes a bit of practice to get the drop/aim clocked but then yeah it’s a menace

[alpine hornet]

Good luck

[still ledge]

worst part is that im gonna have to stop playing ssupport

it was a good 80 hour playing support

[flat sedge]

rpg heat says otherwise

[gilded dock]

I think the only class that lacks uniqueness right now is assault. Which is funny because he has unique stuff, but nobody uses it

[flat sedge]

been seeing a bit more riot shield as of late

which is interesting

[fierce dawn]

Lots of assaults who only played medic before

[shadow walrus]

imo support loses more uniqueness on invasion ctf and to a lesser extent rush than engi does when theres no vehicles. new game modes dont give squad points and they are hard to come by in rush

but

other yeah maybe

[lyric dust]

Support fucking feasts in invasion

[shadow walrus]

i havnt enjoyed it, building is one of my fav parts and it feels bad not having it. but i understand how others would like it though

[lyric dust]

You get points usually

Just takes a bit

A squad of supports can make points citadels

[alpine hornet]

You have to focus on getting points by making sure you’re in the objectives for caps and kills, which isn’t always easy

[shadow rampart]

man

playing defense on isle with mg3 lined up would be so dope

lined up at the beach

[summer prairie]

Part of why it's my favorite game mode currently

[drifting mulch]

Support on defense invasion

Yum so full of supply points

[shadow rampart]

would be nice if support can just resupply their ammo by holding their ammo box like how medic heals

[shadow walrus]

this

[stark blade]

Support absolutely goated on Invasion

[bright umbra]

dakka dakka dakka dakka dakka dakka

[lyric dust]

They just, come to me 🥹

[halcyon herald]

Real lmao

[halcyon herald]

Literally dropped my highest kills yet on invasion during free weekend lol

[gilded canopy]

Same but my highest kill was 33

Im... not that good at fps tbf

[lethal river]

Tried a flir ultimax on tensatown invasion and racked up 70 kills playing pretty passively

Good shit

[halcyon herald]

Buddy your highest kill is still your highest kill. It only goes up from there 🔥

[halcyon herald]

I ran i think se5 + suppressor on x1 and they just couldnt find me lol. Dropped 66 i think

[bright umbra]

is gud

[flat sedge]

invasion wise depends on how much point trading there is

[flat sedge]

(gets 8 supports setup with MG3s in custom made bunkers) "Welcome to your normandy beach, love the US & A"

[flat sedge]

used to be able to if I recall right

[halcyon herald]

Lmao i think i had nearly the same kda

[halcyon herald]

Normandy beach inspired map with the release of mg3 sounds fire

[paper vector]

me inverting time so it goes down:

[bright umbra]

l86 goes hard ngl

i just hold down left click

[paper vector]

^ this

I've found that strat works for most guns

[halcyon herald]

Yall minimize hori recoil and just pull down. I maximize hori recoil and predict the left right sway. We are not the same

[gilded dock]

Broke 100 with the RPK on invasion

[fringe tree]

me with L86... tho quite some kills to c4 there

even 443 ate a full squad at some point

[shadow rampart]

m249 on invasion is amazing

[lyric dust]

Ulti is better but LMGs are goated on defense

[shadow rampart]

ultimax damage and fire rate just doesnt feel as good to me

mainly the fire rate

hoping mg3 has 1200 fire rate

[fringe tree]

L86 not angy enough for ya? @shadow rampart

[shadow rampart]

i prefer 100 mag weapons on support

if im not using a machinegun i rather just play engineer since i get to use the rpg

[eternal glen]

I feel there isn't all that much a point in the ultimax >.>

M249 is just better everywhere, better dmg, recoil, firerate

except sound

[lyric dust]

Ultimax accurate

It turns long range anything into ash

Or medium

[eternal glen]

Sticking to my opinion

[fierce dawn]

better recoil
objectively wrong

[gilded dock]

Over short ranges, sure, but the longer range the fight is the more likely the ultimax is to win. Any long range fight is who can put bullets on target, and the ultimax does that better than any automatic weapon other than maybe the aug

[fierce dawn]

they share the same vert but ultimax has half the horizontal, which is what makes its effective range so massive

[eternal glen]

Ultimax just has stronger first shot recoil

which is to me harder to handle

still feel that it having less firerate and also damage than m249 is sort of meh

[fierce dawn]

if you're tap firing you ought to be using one of the LSWs

the big boys are made for sustained fire and laughing maniacally when you get 18 kills without reloading

(bless Namak)

[eternal glen]

quite fun when you get in a flank and kill everyone, its so fun

[stark blade]

Maximize horizontal recoil so when the gun jumps to the left after a shot it automatically corrects itself by jumping to the right

[shadow walrus]

i been spoiled by rpk and l86 with bipods

the lmgs are good but god damn its hard to go back rn

[flat sedge]

I still don't understand why the M249 has so much H-recoil

[fierce dawn]

It's pretty crazy, like literally more than double

[obsidian sentinel]

Yeah i will have no idea why its recoil is so Horizontal

You are essentially forced to use bmc and flash hider

[gilded canopy]

I never tried it until today and wow, this thing is a laser now, the vertical recoil is ok and the horizontal recoil is almost non existent now

it feels so fucking good

[paper vector]

…recoil? The ultimax’s entire thing is super low recoil

With a bipod it’s the lowest recoil in the game

Even with the first shot kick it’s basically half as severe as m249 at base

[obsidian sentinel]

You can prob put angled on it to get LSW handling

[still ledge]

Its funny that you could argue that it is something that is situation but you can abuse and be able to use bipod in literally any situation

Walkin in the middle of the desert and you see a group of people?
Build a sandbag and go bonkers

[paper vector]

I have a sandbag ready to place by default whenever I’m moving in the open

With the new UI I’ve been able to sandbag clutch a lot more than before

[still ledge]

Ngl i would be ok to see a nerf on building if support gets alot of attention on buffs and reworks that makes him strong

So bipod actually becomes more a situation instead of something that can just overshadow other attachments

[gilded canopy]

same, the new UI makes it super good to push with support using sandbags

[paper vector]

you can's strafe while using though

makes you easier to hit and prone to snipers as a balance.

[stark blade]

bipod also hella finicky like just let me press a button to make me mount on something pls

[still ledge]

You are not locked in place and can start moving left and right to trow their aim off, if you are using at mid to long range you do have some advantage if not fighting dmrs and sniper

And since you can just build something out of thin air, specially now it is easier to have its situation to be more common that you wont get hit often with that no recoil improvement

[paper vector]

yeah but then you don't get bipod buff

[still ledge]

Like right now i just use bipod on everything since i can gets its value so often that i just dont care about other attachments(unless in a shit squad with 0 points)

[paper vector]

which kinda defeats the purpose

but I like that it is arguably the best attachment because it's cool

[gilded canopy]

it takes 2 seconds min to set up a properly bipod sandbag

[still ledge]

Move stop and shoot
Actual strategy that can work

Bipod is not that buggy when using deployable building like barricade since it is already positioned perfect for bipod height
If somehow it is a bit higher you can just debuild one or two times to be on almost the same bipod level

[still ledge]

The only time i would say this sucks ass or you would be better of disengage is against dmrs and snipers or people that have cover

If you are fighting a smg or Ar guy that has just his head exposed at mid range, your best bet is if using the rpk or ultimax

M249 can be quite of a gamble or being in a situation were borh can trade

[summer prairie]

Still haven't used the Ultimax personally

If Prestige tokens get added I'll probably carry it over and grind it out

[drifting mulch]

It's fairly controllable without attachments unlike the m249 i'd recommend it. Also I didnt lose attachments after prestiging

But yeah it's lvl 100 just noticed

Couldve sworn it was earlier. I leveled up the first 100 really quick

The latest challenges ain't easy to do tho

[flat sedge]

or bipod

[flat sedge]

bipod is fairly situational & playstyle based, so in a more aggressive one it is near all downsides beside those moments you shoot through a window or such

[flat sedge]

it also now doesn't wish to work due to movement

[flat sedge]

been level 100 since launch (prior to the reclassification support guns when 0 (L86) > 20 (M249 Saw) > 50 (MG36) > 100 (Ultimax)

Now we got more toys between those levels (rpk at 35, ak15 at 15 if I recall, G3 90, fal 140 and I forget the scar H's)

Edity Edit : so new one (Thanks you moon for scar H level)
Level 0 (L86) > 15 (AK15) > 20 (M249 SAW) > 35 (RPK-16) > 50 (MG36 & Scar H) > 90 (G3) > 100 (Ultimax) > 140 (Fal)

speaking of which THAT IS VERY nice that it isn't like a expo growth in how long til you get a new gun

[fierce dawn]

SCAR is 50

so two toys at once for support

[flat sedge]

danke

[drifting mulch]

Thought I'd like battle rifles on support but I much prefer using them on assault

[fierce dawn]

assault's weapon handling bonuses work very well with them

[flat sedge]

I personally like them, been swapping between the old & the new

old has some purpose & niches they fill that the new doesn't & vice versa

[fierce dawn]

im stuck on the RPK for now, it just sounds so nice

a+ gun noise

[flat sedge]

aye fair there

Lovely gun

[fierce dawn]

usually a silence everything guy but

RPK wouldnt be the same

[drifting mulch]

I like support for his unique weapon classes and when I have the big fat fuck and forts munchies

Maybe I could try counter sniping with g3 as fatty

[fierce dawn]

countersnipe with the ultimax

they never see the hail of bullets coming

[drifting mulch]

but that one doesn't let me stay mobile enough cause you gotta lay down or have very flat terrain to build on

[lyric dust]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpxEm_hawQE

Imagine a mount like this

[drifting mulch]

big

[lyric dust]

1200 rpm no recoil

[drifting mulch]

didn't remember it firing this fast aaah!

fat scorpion evo

[lyric dust]

but in 7.62x51

[hot solar]

easy balance would just to make it do glock like damage because it gets so many bullets it should be fine

[lyric dust]

no

The balance is that you're standing in place

this is 7.62x51 nato

Shit is not glock damage

[lethal river]

I just imagine the sound in game

[gilded dock]

G3 damage, horrendous recoil if not using a bipod

[hot solar]

even the actual mg on the truck don't kill that fast they would not have a no recoil, 42 damage gun shooting around 1200 rpm

that would be actually stupid

its not about realistic gun damage its about balance

[livid carbon]

100ms base ttk with 50ms headshit ttk 💀

[lyric dust]

Unironically being locked in place is a massive issue

Bipods are already massive sniper targets

Being a standing high value target would get you killed unless you do very careful positioning

[livid carbon]

that's why you position or build forts

[gilded dock]

My problem would be it rendering the other mgs useless

[drifting mulch]

I'd be interested in seeing how this would be balanced

Rn when I use the ultimax with bipod, it can still perform well while I'm on the move for midrange targets

It's still fairly accurate without deploying the bipod

[hot solar]

the only way for a 1200 rpm gun with no recoil to be anywhere near to balanced is if it had low as fuck damage

[drifting mulch]

Yeah...

[hot solar]

like i said MG3 if added would probably be like a big boi glock

still a really good ttk because of how fast its shooting even with low damage

or its gonna be like someone else said a scorpion highest ttk but uncontrollable af

nothing can be the most accurate gun in the game, the highest rpm, and have the highest ttk

[drifting mulch]

Lmg as val...

[hot solar]

the as val isn't the most accurate and not the highest ttk because if it was everyone would be using it

and its mag is 20

not like a mg that would have 100

[livid carbon]

what if we combine the two, glock up close but 4sk past a certain threshold, this way it wouldn't be op in cqc while allowing for the proper medium range performance you would expect from a mg3

[hot solar]

ya that's what I'm think

glock be the cqc bullet hose
mg3 be the 200m bullet hose

[drifting mulch]

mg3 makes you move slower

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1084677456943915088.webp?size=96&quality=lossless

me with my exo armor and mg3 moving at 0.75 speed

[livid carbon]

you need to pay a price for dakka, sadly

[fringe tree]

HS401(1x) sight user here... This boi is counter sniping at crazy ranges

[bright umbra]

Bro has 8k kills

What a chad

[lyric dust]

Are you going to be the first gold mastery l86?

[fringe tree]

covering a gun with gold? that's a lack of taste punishable by the hottest flames of hell...

but to be brutally honest, only thing that might take me off the L86 is the, already confirmed but no date, AN-94.

[lyric dust]

I meant are you gonna be the first to 10k

[fringe tree]

Long supressor and stability grip btw

[lyric dust]

I havent seen anyone with more than 7k

[fringe tree]

Yesterday, invasion attacking side on tensa town... sure, C4 also got a fair chunk of kills there, but even MP443 ate a full squad at some point

[drifting mulch]

mp443 is my favorite sidearm too. What armor were you using?

[fringe tree]

exo helmet, normal armor/backpack

[lyric dust]

you're just built different

[fringe tree]

huge influx of new/clueless new players from the weak end too...

[hot solar]

for me it was the rpk that think makes me wanna bust

[gilded canopy]

if an-94 isnt in support im going to die

its my favourite gun

it literally carried me from bf bc2 to bf4

[fringe tree]

Battle Rifle fits it better than normal assault rifle

[drifting mulch]

what weapon class would the an94 be? Assault rifle?

[gilded canopy]

i really hope that it would be a battle rifle

and that it gets default 2 burst

[drifting mulch]

wikipedia™️ says it's an assault riffle[1] 🤓

[fringe tree]

Main selling point of the gun is a 1200++ rpm 2-round burst.

[drifting mulch]

yeah like in bf4 👀

[gilded canopy]

my god yes

the an94 in bf4 is perfect

[fringe tree]

Bf3’s version of it was hilariously overpowered… BF4’s not so much

[drifting mulch]

welcome addition since it's pretty unique with it

[gilded canopy]

ngl i would love for oki to add the thomson to the game

mostly as honor to bf bc2 :B

as a joke gun or smth

[fringe tree]

“Power gun” on a trench map… Thompson and m1

[chrome marsh]

damn i was also only using the l8 but with the recent additions to support, being able to finally rock some gigachad G3 and FAL feels so nice.

Finally having diversity with other guns seriously refreshed support for me

[shadow walrus]

add sledgehammer to support? would b nice for mbipod level murder holes in walls

would be really nice if not just for the variety since support has limited choices in terms of gadgets

[drifting mulch]

it actually makes sense for him

would like seeing it added

[gilded dock]

Or the pickaxe

[drifting mulch]

think the pickaxe would make more sense for the bipod

[shadow walrus]

actually support is tied with medic with amnt of gadgets

well support has 1 more if you acknowledge the existance of the small ammo kit

[drifting mulch]

no ew that's what assault uses

[lyric dust]

Sledgehammer so I can become king Dedede

[drifting mulch]

will they let you super jump and stomp like him?

[bright umbra]

any time Support pulls out the hammer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTTmFk7WKIg

give us shirtless support....

[drifting mulch]

https://tenor.com/view/tachanka-tachanka-siege-lord-tachanka-tachanka-my-beloved-gif-15093522776559576792

[summer prairie]

Yeah add sledge to support

Absolutely zero people are gonna complain about it

[inner monolith]

Might be of interest for y'all bipod enjoyers
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1182006478492672090

[stark blade]

I sure would enjoy using a medium scope on automatics without experiencing a magnitude 8.0 earthquake

[drifting mulch]

my favorite activity

[lyric dust]

I don't know how anyone uses mediums on LMGs

[inner monolith]

Works pretty well on the Ultimax for me

Ofc I don't go with the higher magnification ones

But it's pretty useful to spot some tight gaps you can still catch people through in chokepointy places like Namak

[halcyon herald]

The x2 non flir scope with ultimaxx and a canted or top scope is fire

You can use automatic firing mode too

[drifting mulch]

I use the medium scopes on the l86 but only because I'm otherwise hipfiring at close range

[inner monolith]

After the last set of changes it's definitely got a very manageable recoil

Almost too good, feels like

[drifting mulch]

Oh right I havent tried it again all lmg got buffs

[shell hound]

Yeah, the SLIP x2 scope is argueably the best one to use for medium scopes on everything but the bolt action sniper rifles.

[obsidian sentinel]

I hate the reticle though

I would use it if it wasnt for the reticle being so obstructive

[lethal river]

Yeah slip scope and at most flir

3x is a bit much

[obsidian sentinel]

Flir is surprisingly fine

I mean unlike slip i can actually see the enemy

[lethal river]

I can comfortably use slip** on ultimax

It's a lil more iffy on m249

[obsidian sentinel]

You can prob use angled and flash hider to cancel out downsides from flir

[shadow walrus]

2x on the rpk goes hard

[drifting mulch]

Was going fat sniper yesterday and it was surprisingly succesful. With the FAL, lowest possible first shot recoil and x4 scope

I can just instantly build pillars if snipers shoot in my direction

[paper vector]

Why would you use recon for that

Assault is right there

Though nvm I think I misinterpreted it as sniper -> recon

[drifting mulch]

I still prefer using battle rifle with assault, but the ability to build and exo armor withstanding a headshot messes up real bad with bolt action recons

unfortunately it's only 1 time per life on the armor thing

but the big thing is making a fort and using the big rectangle pillar to shift around it for cover even if enemies start coming from another angle

[woven fossil]

the supp gun changes are nice but when i exo gonna be good

[gilded dock]

Shhh, don't say that, you'll summon the complainers

They already think Exo is good for some reason

[fringe tree]

helmet is good-ish in the current meta where the most popular class is the sniper, but armor is just a shiny lump of steamy doodoo

[paper vector]

it's good for anti sniper but just plain bad for durability considering the move speed cost

the chestplate is much better on that front

[livid carbon]

helmet doesn't fuck with ms tho?

[paper vector]

wdym

yes it does

the helmet is -7.5% move speed

[livid carbon]

wtf

i thought helmets only did ads speed

[paper vector]

no

heavy and exo have fairly poor move speed penalties

[livid carbon]

and backpacks were the other ms modifier

[paper vector]

normal helmet doesn't

[livid carbon]

💀

bruh

[idle valley]

do you have any proof to back that up

because it only displays the ADS penalty afaik

i wouldn't be surprised if it did also slow you down because oki is dumb, but i'd need cold hard FACTS

[paper vector]

Literally go into the shooting range and compare medium and exo helmet

That is the proof

7.5% compared to 10% for the chestplate

[weary garden]

It also says on the loadout menu that exo helmet has a movespeed penalty

[idle valley]

huh, you're right. that's extra fucked. support is slowed down by his armor, backpack, weapon, AND helmet

i guess there's a case to be made for dropping the exo helmet now since sniper rifles have been essentially gutted

[paper vector]

Were all the people saying they liked exo helmet and normal chestplate actually under the impression that it didn't affect their speed

Don't think people have been under any illusions that full exo was faster than it is though. -17.5%

[sweet sinew]

Be a man, not a sissy girl.
Wear full EXO at all times.

The move speed penalty just means to look more terrifying

[woven fossil]

I tried speed LMG the other day and wow. It's stupid how useless high armor is

I love exo but damn it needs buffing

[halcyon herald]

Exo armor needs a buff but its not totally useless. There are many times i can rmr tanking way more shots than if i was an assault class or medic

[bright umbra]

There’s those 10/100 times where I go “thanks exo”

The other 90/100 I go “well shit.”

[paper vector]

simply stay still and camp all the time and that 10 goes up to 100

[shadow walrus]

i only run exo

its the only way to do it imo, need that armor for the medic who forgot to take his adderal running around with an smg

[hot solar]

not really

if your lower body is covered there is still a higher chance they hit your arms and kill you just like everyone else

[paper vector]

Better than not having it even if the limbs were 99% of the body in the scenario I described

Which is of course a dumb scenario but it was intended as a joke.

[inner monolith]

Hope you aren't considering comedian as a career option

[hot solar]

its more like camping makes it go from 10 to 15

[paper vector]

I am a fan of subtlety in humour but am apparently terrible at implementing it

[lethal river]

Ig if you headpeek it can be 100% sure 💀

[hot solar]

headpeeking is strong with any class and any class with the exception of recon

or more like its only weaknesses are DMRs and Bolt actions

[lethal river]

Yeah but we were talking about hit rate on armor before

Not saying if it's strong or not

[opaque coyote]

maybe support need lower multiplier to his arms, legs? Like from 0,95 to 0,80

it could be more playable class

and remove or improve aiming speed with armor (like helmet, chest, backpack)

and support could be like assault but less mobile

[paper vector]

gotta be careful not to make support too strong with that

it could outclass assault if you aren't careful, since it can take much of the same stuff

[livid carbon]

smgs, pdws, ars and carbines 🙃

[inner monolith]

no let me be slow chonky boi

just make armor be properly effective

[opaque coyote]

how

[inner monolith]

• no hitbox silliness, cover whole body/face
• no breaking, just permanent % damage reduction

that's all really

[opaque coyote]

@inner monolith maybe

but

like u have

slow aiming time with armor

damage like assault rifle with all machige guns (except MG36)

too fast medics who just brrrrrr you

and how much is damage reduction?

its gud idea but

it needs slightly % to not be that disbalanced

and with 22,5% aim reduction on support is like all 0.30 aim down time with all LSG and 0,36 without changed armor

like only support is more bad than assault, medic, engineer and sniper.

[inner monolith]

I would start with the equivalent of the HP armor gives now

so body armor with 100 HP is equivalent to giving you a 50% damage reduction

It would almost certainly be quite strong for exo, but then other tweaks can come later

One possibility I've thought about is making bandages take longer to apply

So it would be harder to make you bleed but once you're bleeding, you would also lose more HP overall since you're taking longer to heal

And in some cases you would just bleed out if you don't have a medic nearby

So it kinda makes the heavier builds a bit more team dependent

[opaque coyote]

and what about legs and arms

and giving 50% damage reduction is way too good

[gilded dock]

My take is giving armor just enough damage reduction to keep ttk the same as it is currently. So somewhere around 30-35% for EXO?

Honestly just making Exo cover limbs would make it way more worthwhile though

[flat sedge]

Support : LSW, LMG & BR (9 guns)
Assault : SMGs, ARs, DMRs, BRs, PDWs, and you get the idea

also reposting this from the remove armor suggestion with some alterations@opaque coyote

I feel these 3 changes will massively help armor as well as keep some consisentcy

1. Make arms & legs have a multiplier
2. have a secondary check to see if players who were hit in the arm, also would've got hit in the chest (If yes, bypass the arm hit & do the chest hit)
3. Armor repairs (This can be done in afew ways, a simple armor repair box of light & heavy possibly, a structure or simply a engineer repair tool (be it I personally prefer the first two more, these would be doing it in chunks and interrupted by damage on target)

1 & 2 have a similar purpose while 2 being for consistency as well

[paper vector]

guns are a bit of it but far from all of it

the 9 guns in question cover pretty much all roles so it barely matters beyond that

[flat sedge]

I would say the basic roles but not all roles

[paper vector]

Fair, all roles is a bit much

All roles bar sniping in terms of range of engagement at least

[woven fossil]

Wish new LMGs would be added soon. Itd be nice to have one that can actually outdamage another automatic instead of outranging it.

Cuz guess what people do to a defensive support spot? They push it and then you lose because youre worse for close quarters.

[flat sedge]

MG3 chant time?

[woven fossil]

I bet $40 the mg3 will have less DPS than a vector

[fringe tree]

mg3 is 340 and vector 440 dps

only mg with more dps than vektor is L86

[shadow walrus]

i hope they add the mg3 not the cetme, was so excited for a 7.62 lsw but it was just a 5.45 variant

[flat sedge]

mg36 you mean?

[fringe tree]

YES

[shadow walrus]

wild

whats bip

oh bipod im dumb

does anyone else run the drum on the l86 and rpk

goes hard with bipod heavy barrel and 2x

[fringe tree]

drum on L86 is kinda doodoo... too much recoil on a gun that shoots at a faster pace

[shadow walrus]

i find it managable surprisingly, its by no means smooth but it becomes a good cqb weapon

[fringe tree]

I use it at longer ranges so it's a big NO

[shadow walrus]

very understandable

im happy bipods were added to lsws

[fringe tree]

I would say L86 is the prime candidate for that in the LSWs

MG36 rellies too much on a grip to tame recoil

[bright umbra]

Drum is always doodoo…

MG36 is literally unplayable with drum

[hot solar]

like rpk with drum and bipod is actually playable compared to others

[shadow walrus]

yeah its so nice

same with l86 imo. mg36 however its just too much recoil

with the dum

[lethal river]

Mg36 feels pretty good, it'll just fall flat at longer ranges

Need a bipod for that kinda thing

At 600 rpm the recoil is fine when you're in the right range

[lethal river]

But yea drum mag recoil on top of that is kinda pushing it

[quartz scaffold]

Oki, would it be possible to have have DMRs added to the support? Since we alreayd have battle rifles, we might aswell add the DMRs to have a more medium range support based gameplay

[livid carbon]

nah 💀

[hot solar]

we got the g3 its works fine XD

[shadow walrus]

yeah br's can function fine as dmr's imo, i would heavily disagree putting m110 on support that would actually be toxic

2 shotting everyone with exo and instant building

[hot solar]

m110 is just toxic in general its a do it all gun

[shadow walrus]

i miss when you needed to grind for the heavy/ long barrel to have the 2 shot privledge

[hot solar]

tbh i think it needs old recoil

[shadow walrus]

i would agree

especially now that the bipod isnt a dead attatchment

[hot solar]

ya

i actually haven't tried current m110 with bipod got it will probably be screwed

[woven fossil]

was exo armor changed? I dont remember that blue glowstick on the shoulder

Also I think heavy ammo boxes should have more bandages since theyre so used since that one update

[lethal river]

Hmm me neither tbh

[woven fossil]

4 months ago. interesting

ppftt yeah gotta make the big fuckin machine gunner more visible with more red lights on him

US has it too

[fringe tree]

Scar-h and g3 are generally better than dmrs on semi…

[paper vector]

Definitely not

Scar-h in particular has nothing on them

Worse damage, range, velocity and recoil

I guess mag size is valid though

G3 is balanced as a full auto DMR so semi auto is just a bit worse

[quartz scaffold]

I feel like the damage fallooff of the scar is a bit annoying as it can quickly drop damage. The G3 Is fun for sure

[fringe tree]

Right, forgot about the dmg drop off there

My longest kill with the L86 is 240m… and I’m constantly getting kills the high 100s so I kinda don’t need those

[quartz scaffold]

Oh yeah I love my L86. I just wanted something else to try and see how far I can play

[dry bobcat]

I hopped on the new update to try out support. It still feels bad getting gunned down by guys with SMGs where you have no hope of winning an engagement with them since all your guns shoot slower. Bipods should be even better

[lyric dust]

Support can definitely get kills

But it's requires more gamesense

[paper vector]

Ideally the SMGs never get close enough to seriously threaten you to begin with

I would say ARs/DMRs are a bigger threat as they can compete against you from a broader set of ranges

[fringe tree]

Support main here with no bipod…

[lyric dust]

Dude you're built different

[woven fossil]

build mode map

[fringe tree]

Invasion defense side on outskirts

[woven fossil]

what gun

[fringe tree]

L86A1 long supp stability

[woven fossil]

interesting

[fringe tree]

Or it was tensa on attack side… now I don’t remember

But even mp443 and c4 ate some that round

[woven fossil]

i notice whenever a support is reallllyyyy killing they almost never have an lmg

[fringe tree]

L86 long supp stability… always burst 3~5 rounds no matter the situation.

[woven fossil]

Im sure thats just pure coincidence though and not that lmgs are underpowered

[dry bobcat]

There's huge difference in terms of controlling recoil with an MP5 vs any of the support weapons. It's ridiculous. The mp5 is like playing the game on easy mode.

[dry bobcat]

I went 51-22 (64 domination) with an MP5 as Assault class, where I would probably only get 30 kills as support, just because I'm so much more maneuverable and accurate

[paper vector]

Ultimax has significantly less recoil than MP5

[dry bobcat]

I think you might be confusing the UMP-45 with the MP5

mp5 has .9 vertical and .7 horizontal, vs the ultimax's 1.1 vertical and .6 horizontal.

[paper vector]

MP5 has a significantly higher fire rate

Damage dropoff starting at 20m though kinda kills that gun

Or was it 40m? Not sure