Support - Feedback

[still ledge]

I wouldnt mind support havong something like this

But giving dmrs to support atleast for me its like giving a smg or pdws to recon

It can chane his playstle
And not fill the role of giving ammo and just going out doing his own thing

[obsidian sentinel]

yeah tbf weapon distribution is quite inconsistent

like medic has the most amount of weapons available to him

[still ledge]

It can make it consistent

[obsidian sentinel]

Assault has no access to smg for some reason

hes Assault

i would expect the Assault class to have the most weapons barring LMGs and Snipers

Engineer having Dmrs is definetly a What moment

[still ledge]

But not a excuse to just make support incosistent
Altough my argument falls flat if the developers sees as how it should be and dont try to make things consistent to all classes

[obsidian sentinel]

its not really an excuse

just point out how weapon distribution is just Wack

[still ledge]

Ye

[obsidian sentinel]

Support really should get a way to regen armor

it mostly wont make exo suck and prob another tool to support others

More weapons, L86 nerf revert, maybe a buff to the m249 horizontal even if the vert gets increased,Armor regen and make armor penalties not applied when the armor is broken and i think i am happy for the most part

[drifting mulch]

Im hoping for more damage variety between the lmgs & lsws. It's all between 29 and 34 per bullet, with only one going for that 3 hit kill on unarmored

[drifting mulch]

Def something needs to change with the armors. At the very least remove the speed debuff when it gets destroyed

[jade cairn]

Support weapons are relatively solid tbh. Only thing lacking is variety.

Hence

[livid carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138399550210576466/1176273412440739850/IMG_1586.png?ex=656e44fb&is=655bcffb&hm=c7ae121390e4b368e0dfa98aac15cbaefb7deff03e98453a2e10d623b2351dd3&

[woeful linden]

Biggest agree.

I'd say it's even in an excellent place abilities-wise.

[flat sedge]

engineer

[bright umbra]

Day 9 of posting a MG3 until support gets more primaries

[livid carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138399550210576466/1176480586710405180/9gAAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=656f05ed&is=655c90ed&hm=6edf856d32a9629688ac0b3d52821c65f4e78a1d2f9ab721fe5b09362b6667e7&

technically we could ask for mmg positions as a buildables for support with that pick

[bright umbra]

Wait you’re cooking?

[livid carbon]

nah, just that that got mentioned by the devs a bit back

imagine an mg3 or m2 emplacement 😳

[bright umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/gun-shoot-army-smile-gif-16169825

[livid carbon]

poor guy had to use a gun that didn't shoot at 800 or more rpm

[flat sedge]

he need a lil more gun, don't he?

[gilded dock]

Ah, the M16 SPAA. Possibly one of the most American things to ever grace the Earth. Definitely the most American thing to come out of WW2.

[flat sedge]

also nicknamed the meat grinder

[gilded dock]

"You know what this truck with dual M2 machineguns needs? MORE machineguns."

America really is just the WH40K Orks. Dakka is our thing.

[flat sedge]

"Bob, grab two more M2s, we are making a light tank"

[flat sedge]

Moment

[gilded dock]

"You see that infantry platoon over there? I don't want to anymore."

[flat sedge]

count the MGs lol

[gilded dock]

I always forget about that abomination

[flat sedge]

Got two on the top to add angry eyebrows as well

[gilded dock]

What's the number, like 9, right?

Somebody really asked how many machineguns and their boss responded with "yes."

[flat sedge]

4 on the chassis

3 on the turrent

two of which make angry eye brows as stated before

[shell hound]

Look up the B-17 called "Old 666", it has 19 M2 Browning .50BMGs.

[jade cairn]

There were even deflector plates on the back so the rear machine guns could shoot into trenches.

[bright umbra]

day 10 of posting a MG3 until support gets more primaries

[still ledge]

This is what a lack of content does to a support player

[livid carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138399550210576466/1176925582156632266/image.png?ex=6570a45d&is=655e2f5d&hm=c82c8a21a1ca6a3f839e3300bdd29c9f501b8a3c7e54af12504fd4e5f05051f0&

can't have shit as a support

[gilded canopy]

when people ask me what i am

[weary garden]

Chat Vilaskis is in bbeng get in there and ask him to make normal armor the default for support

[weary garden]

#battlebit-eng message

It's over

[livid carbon]

it's joever 😭

[still ledge]

well we are fucked on that department

atleast we can get better with our weapons

[gilded canopy]

tould u

devs fucking hate support class

we can cry all we want but cant fix bad devs xd

[weary garden]

https://tenor.com/view/soul-eater-black-star-death-the-kid-excalibur-soul-gif-16662157

I can fix him

[flat sedge]

Support be missing some extra dakka

I desire the MG5, MG3 & so on

[heavy sage]

its joever

[bright umbra]

Day 11 of posting a MG3 until support gets more primaries

[livid carbon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138399550210576466/1177492726510538822/9gAAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=6572b48e&is=65603f8e&hm=e6763ae42d61a791f636b7ed67d8694811400ca895aad8d837a5600b62f376fd&

[bright umbra]

ok memes aside, here's a suggestion that is high key missing:
When playing medic, you can use Mousewheel to notify someone with missing HP that you will help them.
Allow the same for support to anyone missing ammo, because unlike medic support can't just keep up with them when they run.

[idle valley]

lmfao

he says "no problems" but then he probably has like 0.3 KD

[flat sedge]

He did leave out numbers

he equally didn't say for how long he played for it

[gilded dock]

"I played Support for 5 minutes and can confirm that Support plays perfectly fine"

[shell hound]

"I spawned as a Support for a test and single shot at it with the FAMAS, Support tanks just fine."*

[livid carbon]

"I started playing support at level 180, exo armor is just fine as the starting armor"

[woven fossil]

I get it's funny to meme but Vilaskis might actually be not good at FPS games if he doesn't realize the difference in ability between exo L86 and other classes

Like yeah no gun is unusable but support is the worst

[weary garden]

He's a milsim player

[flat sedge]

insert least weapons, weapons tend to carry worse downsides compared to their friends, and such

[weary garden]

An actual squad player

[livid carbon]

yet he doesn't know how to make maps with good flow - old eduardovo was great, only other good maps i can think of of the top of my head are lonovo, salhan and frugis, everything else is just... ew

[woven fossil]

I mean how the fuck do you have good flow with 254 to be fair it's gonna be a clusterfuck always

[livid carbon]

simple, the map actually uses its 2 square kilometers
but oh well people couldn't cope with not being able to walk everywhere apperantly

(transport vehicles and rallies were very important)

[bright umbra]

Tbh it’s also

Major player brainrot

“Ah yes, let’s do a 100 man push toward [insert any point here] I’m sure the other 27 can protect the objectives”

[livid carbon]

every bit of thinking turns the game into a milsim (can't happen)

[bright umbra]

Me when I play Overwatch and ptfo

“Dude this milsim is great”

There’s a good few maps with plenty of nice flowing objectives (Waki (as much as it pains me to say), Wine, District)

It’s just the literal gremlin players holding W

[woeful linden]

Waki having 'flowing' objectives, the fuck are you on, nobody goes to F and it's backcapping galore. There's a huge clogged artery and then the void.

Don't mind my verbal abuse of you, I just really hate Wakistan

[bright umbra]

Like I said, it WOULD have good flow if there wasn’t this incessant need of every player under the sun going to C

[woeful linden]

Is that the gamer's fault or the map's fault? 😏

[bright umbra]

Definitely the gamers

Because I had this lovely squad the other day that rotated F with me

[woeful linden]

Naw fam, you can take the map out of the gamer (go to different map) but you can't take the gamer out of the map (change human nature)

[bright umbra]

Literally never lost F the entire match

[woeful linden]

Oh yeah I do be seeing that occasionally but like

that's 2 squads at most and rarely any counter

Objective play aside, there are a lot of fun maps.
Like Tensa, nobody goes to that one cap in the bottom right, but it's great for actual fun on most game modes

[bright umbra]

Tbh it’s because I was pocketing the support

That man held the tunnel and he held it well

Wow that’s crazy, support being good at its job?

Only with a medic tho

[woeful linden]

Remembers the thread title
Oh yeah, Support slays on Namak. It's fun tbh

[gilded dock]

I don't blame map-boy for bad maps, I blame bad spawn mechanics and brain-dead players

On the other hand, playing 64 vs 64 maps and holding down the point that's near your spawn?

You don't even have to move

You can just shoot the steady trickle of idiots

[bright umbra]

Tbf spawn mechanics are whack as fuck

[woeful linden]

I don't disagree with Vil, except that the L86 sucks (it does suck).
Only some maps are bad with walking simulator @ support. Most maps supp is great on.

Then again I run heavy helmet+normal armor. EXO is insufferable. I would maybe tolerate it if we had a fucking armor repair gadget, PLEASE, I BEG YOU.
Maybe put 1 EXO worth of armor+helmet inside the ammo boxes. Mmm.

[weary garden]

Ok but he said exo armor was fine

[woeful linden]

Yeah. 😔

[bright umbra]

Spawn mechanics:
Option A) spawn on a mate and die
Option B) spawn 400m from where you want to be

[gilded dock]

Alternatively: Be shooting someone. Witness mitosis. Die to the 2 new enemies that spawned.

[fierce dawn]

too bad the average map looks like this

you could cut 90% of the space out (and on some modes they do!) and it would only improve flow

[gilded dock]

Yeah, those outer areas aren't needed.

[fierce dawn]

On the maps where everything isn't crammed together, we probably could use more transport vehicle spawns, or shorter vehicle respawn timers or both.

But those are issues that affect everyone, just disproportionately bad for the slowest class

[flat sedge]

snipers desire them

Supports hate them, as does anyone lugging something heavy & MS reducing

[gilded dock]

Well the snipers can suck it and learn to play the middle like the rest of us

[flat sedge]

Still feel like two of support's weapons could use above the average a bit dps profiles compared to SMGs & ARs

(reason tends towards, you react slower due to ADS taking longer (.3 across the board before any attachment)

(To clarify a bit above average = something akinM249 RPM 700 to 750, 800 tops)

[gilded dock]

Agreed

[livid carbon]

he had it the fuck down with old eduardovo 😭

[lethal river]

That top caption 💀💀💀

[livid carbon]

i can hear that voice tho

[summer prairie]

Do y'all think reducing the number of squad points Support needs to build would be a good buff for Support? Or even needed at all?

[lethal river]

Eh should be fine

[summer prairie]

Fine to leave it as is or to reduce the points?

[lethal river]

As is

[alpine hornet]

95% of the time you either have zero or more than you could possibly use

[fierce dawn]

Yeah unless you basically remove the cost It's not going to matter

[bright umbra]

day 12 of posting a MG3 until we get more primaries

[fierce dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1138399550210576466/1178358843038777515/9gAAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC.png?ex=6575db31&is=65636631&hm=67a1873366ef378d7536f8376ffe3fc0e2f2266e52324d5f4fec355ded45faba&

im doing my part

[gilded canopy]

so... now that weapons are reclassified

can we have battle rifles?

[livid carbon]

pleeeaaase

[flat sedge]

I saw we got by looks a AK15

going to read this & see whats what

[flat sedge]

but I feel our prayers were answered in a sense, SUPPORTS GET MORE GUNS!

[bright umbra]

but at what cost

my beloved...

[livid carbon]

balance...
the assault legion will gladly adopt you king ❤️

[bright umbra]

true medic players adapt...

I will... find a different gun to use...

why oh why is it an SMG now...

[still ledge]

hey support has acess to a fal

nice

[gilded canopy]

support has the fal now?

[still ledge]

and g3 aswell

[gilded canopy]

tbh, awesome

i fucking love it

[still ledge]

ak15

atleast the thirst for new weapons is slight killed off lmao

[gilded canopy]

my god this update will be so fun ;;w;; <3

[bright umbra]

not for me... I lost my beloved...

[still ledge]

medics geting a L

killing them with hammers

[gilded canopy]

honey badger dis nothing wrong, im so sorry for your loss <\3

[still ledge]

medics should have been straight up deleted

not enough was lost

[still ledge]

and a scar

ok the ultimax has a good bunch of competition for a long range weapon on support

[gilded canopy]

ultimax still has its place tho

i feel like its a laser, good for sustained fire, but everyone can see you

[still ledge]

yes but it was the only one that could be used with no problem at long ranges

unlike all of the other weapons he had

they were either close or mid range

[dreamy prawn]

Support having access to c4 rather than hammer and pick feels weird for the defensive builder class

[gilded dock]

We just got the bipod on the LSW's, lets go

[summer prairie]

Pog

[gilded dock]

Might give MG36 in a supporting fire role a go when the update drops

Now to just hope for a rebalance of extendo mags

Though at the rate Oki is going today, give it like 30 minutes

[still ledge]

ok

quite based

we are so back

[heavy sage]

remove BRs from support

brs on support are stupid idfc what u guys say

[idle valley]

yeah i do not like the idea

[heavy sage]

it makes no sense

[gilded dock]

It's a nice stopgap for weapon variety until we can get t the new guns

[idle valley]

instead of LSWs getting buffed, everyone is just gonna use AK-15 or FAL instead

it's dumb

[heavy sage]

Either add actual new LMGs or leave it alone, no temporary changes

its stupid

[gilded dock]

BR's are a medium-long range weapons platform, which is Supports whole shtick. I think they'll fit just fine. At least, I think the G3 will.

[heavy sage]

so you dont think having one of the fastest killing weapons (fal) on the class with the best armour is problematic??

[gilded dock]

Admittedly, I say that, but I'll probably still just use the Ultimax most of the time.

[heavy sage]

literally impossible to lose a 1v1

[gilded dock]

Your first 1v1, sure.

[heavy sage]

Their would be no reason to use LSW's if BR's were added

the reason why support weapons are weaker then other classes is because they have the best defensive capability

it is not balanced to have the best armour and guns on one class

[flat sedge]

Big Rifle for big boy

[flat sedge]

easier to use at distance

[gilded dock]

Did you actually just refer to the LMG's as the "best guns?"

[heavy sage]

no??

i meant the fal

Exo fal is just broken

[gilded dock]

Oh, okay. Got confused there

[heavy sage]

Should not be a thing

[heavy sage]

versus a BR???? nah

[flat sedge]

wouldn't exo fal make it slower ADS & such

[gilded dock]

Eh, I preferred the F2 on my Assault anways

[flat sedge]

compared to fal

L86 is easy to use with 775 RPM at a 4 tap (so near HK level)

the MG36 through, that does need a buff

[gilded dock]

And yeah, Exo makes everything slower. It's why a lot of people trade it out for heavy or normal when they unlock it.

[flat sedge]

and bob's my uncle

[livid carbon]

as if anyone with a brain would use exo

[flat sedge]

just checked the upcoming (Again) #dev-wip message

only GOOD part of exo is the helmet

[gilded dock]

True that

[idle valley]

exo helmet is really good. the armor not so much

[flat sedge]

Chest is like a certain WW2 French defensive line

[fringe tree]

Exo makes you an easier target… helmet only if round has a higher number of snipers on the horizon

[flat sedge]

people Walk around it

your limbs take 100% damage

[gilded dock]

Besides, Exo was never what won me CQB fights. Good positioning and the ability to peek and hipfire are

[fringe tree]

Not sure if L86 would benefit much from bipod… MG now it’s something to test

[livid carbon]

fair enough

[flat sedge]

Less recoil overall is nice , kinda curious of it with drum

[gilded dock]

L86 will be a laser beam, if my experience with the bipodded Ultimax is anything to go off of

[fringe tree]

L86 is already a beam… almost 7k kills with it here

[alpine shore]

I wouldn't be too worried tbh, the firerate is probably going to not let the range be as good as the ultimax's, and the mag count is there to affect it too

[fringe tree]

Ah yeah… forgot the drum existed… shame we can’t 2-tap empty helmets anymore

[still ledge]

and you can use bipod

what im seeing is that BR will be the choice for cqc while lsws and lmgs medium long distance

but lsws could have the ability to switch things up with attachments by going either way of the spectrum

[flat sedge]

you mean the fal for cqc?

maybe ak15?

[still ledge]

i mean isnt BR better at cqc than lsws

[flat sedge]

but G3 & Scar H do exist

[still ledge]

oh yeah taht

[flat sedge]

Depends on which we speak of

[still ledge]

forgor about it

honestly it will be interesting to see

[flat sedge]

MG36 wise more sustain fire than Fal & AK 15 without a doubt

L86 wise easier to use

but we are up to like 8 guns people

[still ledge]

with the g3 i have mixed fellings because im against dmrs to support but i still dont know how is the g3 considered a dmr

[still ledge]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/852957790942134342/970854903289372744/636856998331416576.gif

[flat sedge]

well apperently we got a new class of guns called battle rifles

[flat sedge]

#dev-wip message

[still ledge]

i see shit clearly now

i thought battle rifles and assault rifles were the same thing

im not a gun guy

im a going to battle with a sword or spear type of guy

[gilded dock]

I'm just imagining a april fools style event where everybody has swords now

[flat sedge]

so support got access to the AK15, G3 and scar H in addition to the Fal

[flat sedge]

ARs = smaller rifle caliber
Battle rifle = full rifle caliber (308/7.62) but not Anti material/Anti tank style rounds

BRs also = full auto

[dry bobcat]

These aren't new weapons, we want new weapons!

[livid carbon]

we got more dakka

[heavy sage]

remove brs from support

[lethal river]

Kinda crazy just been using the g3 recently too LMAO

Gonna give the funny mg36 a try with bipod too

Just in (WIP)

[gilded dock]

I do like the idea of using the G3 on Support

Not really interested in the Fal tho

[lethal river]

I don't have much experience on Fal myself

[gilded dock]

Everyone is absolutely losing their minds in general chat about Support having the Fal

[lethal river]

Will give it a go

[lethal river]

It's not the hugest thing on support, it's cool though

[livid carbon]

very good ttk but not a lot of bullets and a lot of recoil

[lethal river]

Another reason for me to not switch off of this class now

[flat sedge]

going remove all BRs (when fal is the only one they actually want off)

Looks at mango

[heavy sage]

yeah cause support fal is stupid

so are brs on support

[lethal river]

Yeah

Don't think it's set in stone though

**subject to change

[heavy sage]

yeah

some work could def be done

[gilded dock]

Wow, I underestimated how hard people whined

[lethal river]

What's going on?

[lyric dust]

It would be nice to get actual support guns not scraps from other classes

[gilded dock]

He gave DMR's back to Engy and Assault, and Assault got BR's back

[flat sedge]

BRs in general I disagree

[gilded dock]

Which, funnily enough, means BR's are currently a universal weapon, like pistols are

[heavy sage]

yes

[flat sedge]

Support gets the big rifles for the heavy weapons class

[lyric dust]

Give us DMRs then

[gilded dock]

BIG BOOLET

[lyric dust]

Not brs

[lethal river]

Hope there's a support gun on that dec 1st update 🥹

[still ledge]

mf wants brs to not be on support and then suggests dmrs

[lyric dust]

Not really

[lethal river]

Ahhh right

[lyric dust]

I'm just saying that it seems random af

And doesn't address any requests from the support community in any real way

[still ledge]

basically , probably a way so we stop posting about mg3 bottom text

[paper vector]

I would heavily prefer a couple of new support guns to any selection of the guns we have in other classes

[gilded dock]

What the heck you talking about

[lyric dust]

Stuff like more class specific weapons

[lethal river]

Go on post one king

[gilded dock]

We've been asking for literally any weapons since the dawn of time

[paper vector]

The 20 people spamming that they want the mg3 every day, presumably

[still ledge]

tough i wanted just more lmgs and lsws

[lyric dust]

Same

Support should be support not fat assault

[still ledge]

but i think battle riflles can work, it is on that medium-long range niche that support is build around but not in the level of dmrs

but only time will tell

[flat sedge]

Support be heavy weapons

[lyric dust]

Mg36

[still ledge]

you picked the worse weapon

[lyric dust]

BRs are not heavy weapons

[flat sedge]

heavier than ARs

[lyric dust]

Nah MG36 is a monster

[livid carbon]

they are 💀

[flat sedge]

"lighest" option in the kit

[still ledge]

that would be ultimax and m249

[livid carbon]

4.5kg for an unloaded g3

[flat sedge]

it is like battlemech where a certain house enjoys 60 tons at the min for scout mechs

and it isn't odd to see a 100 ton Atlas mech

[lyric dust]

Mg36 is my preferred weapon against bhoppers

[still ledge]

mgc6 feels more build for close range

[flat sedge]

as a scout mech

[still ledge]

though since they can have bipod it can work in medium ranges

[lyric dust]

It's good at long range if you manage the recoil

[flat sedge]

which MG36 has bipod now

[lyric dust]

Yeah it might be op

[flat sedge]

one hand worse TTK than groza & fal

[lyric dust]

I can top kill 256 servers with it

[flat sedge]

other hand slower to handle with more recoil than UMP, but unsure on the bipod version

[still ledge]

i wonder when drums get a rework how it will be in mgc6 and l86

[flat sedge]

Oooo

I enjoy that idea

[lethal river]

Yes pls

[lyric dust]

Probably in 2026

If we're lucky

[still ledge]

fucking assault rifles with more ammo and can have really low recoil

[lyric dust]

I like lsws

The l86 is bad

But I love it

[still ledge]

prefer the l86 over the mgc6

[lyric dust]

The MG36 is good once you get over the massive learning curve

[lethal river]

Finally a gun with 50-60 rounds that isn't kriss vector

[still ledge]

really easy to control the recoil

but i am more of a m249 player

[paper vector]

Still fastest killing support gun, and it’s about to get a bipod too

[still ledge]

finally

[lyric dust]

Hot take, ttk is not as important for support

Usually you win by positioning

[still ledge]

i mean kinda

[gilded dock]

Can confirm, my best Support games are done with the Ultimax

[lethal river]

We're all ultimax enjoyers here

[paper vector]

It always helps.

[lyric dust]

Get the first shots off and you have the ammo capacity to obliterate everyone

[still ledge]

it doesnt stop a smg medic to just counter peek and kill you

[paper vector]

Ultimax is great but not the best for a lot of situations

[lyric dust]

Cast c4

[gilded dock]

You have to really limit your exposure to enemy fire

[lethal river]

4x

[lyric dust]

I had somebody call me very bad things because I kept killing him by chucking c4 around corners

[gilded dock]

You basically only want like 45 degrees visibility max

[still ledge]

any class can do that and be more effective

and i dont like it

[lyric dust]

True

[still ledge]

the one that gets the worst is tank users

when 127 players can kill you is really stressing lmao

[paper vector]

Support can do 7x C4 though

[lyric dust]

And have a box of even more

[paper vector]

Pretty much irrelevant but big number = cooler

[paper vector]

Not just one box, in fact up to three of them

[lyric dust]

More stair farming

[still ledge]

i mostly just use c4s to clean areas and make a fort and cover my flanks so i am more difficult to hit

i rarely have a moment as support to use on offense because i am slow af

[flat sedge]

Disagree on that

[lyric dust]

Mg36 thrives when you are right behind the main edge of a push and are able to essentially punish any defender who looks at your teammates with a barrage of death

[lyric dust]

It's bad at first

Definitely requires a few attachments and a lot of learning in order to be effective as a actual weapon

[bright umbra]

Give Honey Badger to support so I can still play a supporting role with my baby…

[still ledge]

you dont know sadness when you have c4 and the tank just manages to run away from you because you cant close the gap since you are a fatass

[lyric dust]

I do tho

[still ledge]

we got a new weapon

[lyric dust]

I know it too well

[lethal river]

Mg36 is pretty fun, just doesn't beam like an l86a1

[lyric dust]

NVM I love this update

[lethal river]

Hmmm?

[lyric dust]

Oki is best dev now

[still ledge]

#dev-wip message

[lethal river]

ARGGGGGH WATER AT LAST!!!!!!

[still ledge]

the support population explodes

[lethal river]

[lyric dust]

I forgive the brs

[livid carbon]

Whhoooo yyyyeeeeeeesss bbbaaaaaaaaaabbyyyyyyyyy

[still ledge]

fuck brs

i am playing with taht new weapon

[lyric dust]

Yes

Support rise up

Take the fight to the bhoppers

[livid carbon]

mmooorrreee daaakkkkaaaaa

[paper vector]

Sliiiightly dissapointed that it’s an LSW rather than LMG (LMGs are cooler) but that’s pretty cool

[lethal river]

If a second support weapon appears in that channel i'm transcending

[bright umbra]

We’ve done it again boys

[still ledge]

kinda on the same boat

but eh new weapons

and is not like the lmgs were forgotten

we are each day closer to a mg3 boys

[lyric dust]

A new support weapon is worth a lot

[livid carbon]

we're so back

[still ledge]

keep spamming and we will win

also remember what i said

this but we get a weapon we definetly forgot about it

[gilded dock]

Holy frick I looked away for all of 5 minutes and Oki drops a new Support weapon

[still ledge]

now i wonder if the new weapon will use the bipod

[still ledge]

lmao

[shadow rampart]

so next weapon is rpk not mg3

[still ledge]

we won but lost at the same time

[livid carbon]

rpk is better than nothing

[still ledge]

also gun enthusiasts

is the rpk a BR AR or a lsw

[lyric dust]

Lsw

[still ledge]

so good chance it will use bipod

[shadow rampart]

my dream of setting up with my buds with mg3 bipod

so close but so far

[lyric dust]

At least I hope it's lsw

And not a support exclusive BR

[flat sedge]

#dev-wip message

I LIKE THAT SOUND

[lyric dust]

Mg3 embedded in fortifications with a tripod

[lethal river]

It's beefy boi

[lyric dust]

It's almost enough to make a man cry

[flat sedge]

#dev-wip message

[still ledge]

tbh i think we will see it but with the rpk

[flat sedge]

We are truly Skaven at this rate

Day 13

[lyric dust]

Yesyes

[still ledge]

because im expecting me being unable to play support because the slots will be filled lmao

[bright umbra]

Yeah the rpk sounds CHONKY

[flat sedge]

KA CHUNK KA CHUNK!

[still ledge]

gun rats

[flat sedge]

squads are a 8 limit with 8 people

[lethal river]

I can't wait friendly fire between supports exclusively

[lyric dust]

New gun-cannon will make man-things dead-dead

[flat sedge]

Rattling guns next, Yes yes?

[still ledge]

my math is bad

[flat sedge]

Must bring DEATH, Destruction Kill Kill, Yes??

[lyric dust]

YES YES

[flat sedge]

YES YES!

[lyric dust]

GREAT HORNED RAT DAY

[bright umbra]

Me rolling up to Waki Bridge with my 8 Drum Mag RPKs

[lyric dust]

Don't forget the 7 other suppies in the squad

The air will be 75% bullet

[summer prairie]

I like the MG36 but will definitely just use the fal now

[still ledge]

explosons

to those that run trophy

[lyric dust]

Killing you

[still ledge]

i salute you if we get into a only support war

[shadow rampart]

do u guys actually run drum mag on lsw n stuff

[still ledge]

only on the l8

[lyric dust]

No lol

[bright umbra]

I run drum on MG36 because reloading is for chumps

[still ledge]

mgc6 becomes a nightmare to use

[lyric dust]

6 year reload

[shell hound]

Drum negatives are too much for them to be worth it.

[still ledge]

basically that

[lyric dust]

Drums would be better used as melee weapons

[gilded dock]

New gun sounding CHUNKY

[summer prairie]

I don't mind Support having Battle Rifles but the LSWs need a slight buff

[still ledge]

the recoil debuff is the killer of the attachment

[lyric dust]

Make l86 3 hit again kappa

[bright umbra]

Just tac reload

[lyric dust]

It will be balanced I promise

[shadow rampart]

fal and ak15 being added to support seems kind of random

[paper vector]

On l86 I often find myself running out of bullets without it, so find it hard to not use it. Why? I don’t know, it’s no different to a regular AR in capacity, I guess it’s how I try to use it.

[lyric dust]

That's because it is

[lethal river]

L86a1 possibly but then you get the fucking monstrosity that is the movement speed debuff

[still ledge]

idk why the ak15

i think is the randomness

[lyric dust]

L86 best ar in the game

[still ledge]

like the others have the medium range that support is build around

i never managed to make the ak15 work in medium ranges

[shadow rampart]

fal is so op tho

so i guess its a nice addition

[still ledge]

i basically use on close combat

[lyric dust]

Exo fal is gonna be toxic af

[still ledge]

never used fal

[lyric dust]

A bad loadout that will be very unfun to fight against

[still ledge]

and prob never will ngl

[lyric dust]

Based

[shadow rampart]

scorpionevo is my fav

[still ledge]

there are some guns that i never touched

[lyric dust]

It's basically a guaranteed win on your first 1v1 and then you lose the next one

I've literally never played anything other than support for more than 20 minutes

[bright umbra]

Ok but can we get the honey Badger on support?

[lyric dust]

I only rate guns outside of support based on how often I get killed by them

[shadow rampart]

need some smg on support

[still ledge]

the alternative and good option of killing yourself to get your armour back

[lyric dust]

L86 best smg

[shadow rampart]

exo armor running around mach 10

with smg and flanking

[still ledge]

honesty i would either get new weapons and have a armour rework or new guns and put the armour at last

[weary garden]

run uh

run

hm

[still ledge]

nuh uh

[lethal river]

Guns aside the spotter attachment is going on my ultimax, and the faster bandaging is huge

[bright umbra]

I guess I can run DMR medic now???

Infinitely healing sniper

Let’s fucking go

That certainly won’t get annoying

[weary garden]

no

Medic only has battlerifles

[still ledge]

also any ideia when the update will drop

[bright umbra]

Meh the Mk17 might as well be a DMR

[bright umbra]

Probably with the free weekend?

[weary garden]

before twitch rivals prolly

[lethal river]

For sure

[bright umbra]

New update = hype = word of mouth = hey look it’s free

[lethal river]

Dec 1st

[gilded canopy]

devs really fucked up in reddit with teasing the free weekend instead of this big update

i know why they did it, but its still a fuck up

[still ledge]

it is to get new players

i dont mind it at all

[paper vector]

Can do both

[still ledge]

already invited some friends of mine to participate

[lethal river]

Yeah same

[gilded canopy]

same, gotta get my friends on the weekend, its a good oportunity to try and see if they like the game :)

[paper vector]

Same actually

[bright umbra]

I’m getting my gf to try

[still ledge]

the entirety of the players in game losing their shit when a woman talks in the mic

we will prob see the first time a medic bf in battlebit instead of the usual medic gf we see in tf2

[bright umbra]

My gf will probably play support

Knowing her, she will go for BIG DAKKA

and I’m just the sad medic bf without the HB…

I’m going to resent oki for this change

And if I ever see him in a game I am going to focus him

[still ledge]

ok hold your horses

we could get one more weapon if you think about it

since we got 2 before aswell

[bright umbra]

Everyone, quick

Post the MG3

[heavy sage]

RAAAAAAAA

RAAAa

NEW GUN

RAAAAAAAAAA

[lethal river]

[bright umbra]

Don’t hold back lads and lassies

Even if they mute us, we will DM them our pictures of the MG3!

WE WILL FIGHT WITH OUR BACKS AGAINST THE WALL

[heavy sage]

why are you still posting this

we got a new gun

like chill out

[still ledge]

last update when we got new gguns we got 2 new ones

we could get another

thhere is a chacne

[hot solar]

All the guns possibly gettin added to support should get a drum option when used on support class

[lyric dust]

I'm back

I accidentally said something the chat filter didn't like

[still ledge]

just straight up a long belt with 500 bbulletts in it

owned

[lyric dust]

One "mag" 500 bullets

[gilded dock]

Unlimited ammo belt feed straight to your ammo box

[lyric dust]

air out half of frugis in 20 seconds

[gilded dock]

YESSSSSSS

[lyric dust]

All suppie mains dream of this

[real latch]

Control -3, move speed 0.2

[gilded dock]

The airstrafe medics will live in fear of the dakkastorm

[still ledge]

Imagine a squad holding a point and shooting at a general direction with this

[bright umbra]

Dodge this you fucking causal

[lyric dust]

try to bhop this

[still ledge]

I have basically two sides

[real latch]

Imagine if support could build M2 emplacement and the M2 didn't spread and hit like a nerf gun

[still ledge]

Shooting for more than 40 seconds

[still ledge]

Shooting something with the kinect energy of a car hitting a wall with low fire rate weapons

[lyric dust]

imagine building CIWS emplacement

[flat sedge]

actium war rig?

[real latch]

mortar 😩

[lyric dust]

Actual artillery emplacement

Theres a special kind of power to killing people with an azimuth

[bright umbra]

Waki Bridge went real quiet after I built the 110 Howitzer

[gilded dock]

M2 would be best. Just, 2 btk, each bullet penetrates cover

[lyric dust]

waki bridge wouldn't exist if I had arty

If support ever gets mg3 and mortars theres no reason to play any other class

All you need is dakka and boom

[woven fossil]

Are they giving support the FAL???

GODDAM

[flat sedge]

G3, AK15, Scar H & Fal @woven fossil

[tepid jolt]

0 changes to current support weapons and instead adding objectively better weapons that don't fit the role is wild

[lyric dust]

Current support weapons work fine after the 75 hour learning curve

Therefore the class obviously needs BRs to teach new players bad habits while playing support

/s

[woven fossil]

FAL is nutty strong though that on exo armor is gonna be crazy

[lyric dust]

It encourages the run in, win one fight, die, respawn, repeat, gameplay loop the class already suffers from

I'm really hoping they don't go through with it

[heavy sage]

yeah

please dont do BRs on support

makes no sense

op with fal

also why

we already got a new gun

no brs

[flat sedge]

just say no Fal than

[flat sedge]

exo chest will not be nutty, only part that could be is the helmet

[lyric dust]

Exo chest is a scam

[drifting mulch]

no mg3 but

rpk!

[gilded canopy]

exo chest is literally the worst armor of the entire game

[lyric dust]

Exo hat is favorite though

[gilded canopy]

Exo hat is love, exo hat is life

[lyric dust]

Exo hat will set you free from the tyranny of the sweat

[gilded canopy]

not me peaking a building corner just to hear a "cling" from the sniper at 1200mts away everytime i spawn

[lyric dust]

Better a cling than the death screen

[fierce dawn]

we are

so fucking back

i hope its half as powerful as it sounds gd

[heavy sage]

30 rounds will be intersting

i guess its a LSW then?

hopefully it will have extended mag option

[lyric dust]

The problem is extended mags on lsws suck

[heavy sage]

Still waiting for mag rework

Extended mags on every gun suck

[lyric dust]

We support mains are waiting on a lot

[fierce dawn]

love to lose 1% movespeed for every bullet in the extended mag

[lyric dust]

Those bullets are made of osmium

They then transform into styrofoam as soon as you fire

[fierce dawn]

gonna sound weird but kind of interested to see how the LSWs run with Bipods

if we can drill some heads it could be cool for flanking

[shadow rampart]

what armor do you guys use on support

[still ledge]

full exo

(im a masochist)

[alpine hornet]

Just pull down lol

[heavy sage]

its the movement speed

30% slower movement speed for 10 more bullets

Yay me

[alpine hornet]

Oh interesting

I use it on the FAL feel like it’s pretty good, didn’t feel 30% slower but I’ll have to try it and compare

[gilded dock]

Exo helm, Heavy chest. Optionally, normal backpack for a little better movement

[shadow rampart]

hopefully rpk comes out tmrw

[gilded canopy]

exo helmet and wharever gives me more movility

wherever different saved loadouts came out i would love to have a "tank" build with full exo full ammo but for now, i prefer to be able to walk to objectives before the fight is over

[fierce dawn]

exo helmet, normal body

[shadow walrus]

so support is just getting all the battle rifles?

[summer prairie]

I think I'm full exo currently

[weary fog]

support getting battle rifles is a bandaid. a bad one at that.

[paper vector]

It still surprises me that so many people seem to use exo helmet over exo chestplate

Like it helps against snipers sure, but in any other situation the chestplate will do a lot more for you

Much better protection/utility for the speed it costs

[idle valley]

it really fucking doesn't, lmao

it covers so little of your playermodel

whereas the helmet covers pretty much your entire head

[paper vector]

Which is a very small part of the player model…

[idle valley]

and guess where you deal the most damage?

[paper vector]

Chestplate covers more, is aimed at more, and is much more durable relative to the movement speed that is lost. And gives you extra mags / grenades

[idle valley]

chestplate doesn't cover shit

it doesn't cover your arms, which are the most prominent part of your playermodel when you're aiming, as they're in front of your chest

[paper vector]

Nor does the helmet

[idle valley]

ok?

[paper vector]

Therefore that is a null argument for this comparison.

[idle valley]

you're the one that started comparing them, you fucking moron

the helmet prevents you from being 1 tapped by snipers and covers your entire head hitbox. it's objective isn't to protect the arms

[paper vector]

Chestplate protects you from everything else, and gets hit pretty often

[idle valley]

the chestplate's objective is to cover the chest but it can't do that when your arms are exposed and in front of your chest

[paper vector]

But anyway, I can adapt this to your scenario

Give me the rates at which you think players hit limbs, chest, head. And I’ll see how much of a difference it makes from your POV

Because you might be right according to your view of the gameplay

[idle valley]

i think you know my opinion on your dumbfuck pseudoscience spreadsheets

[paper vector]

-_-

It is accurate according to the assumptions provided

[idle valley]

it's not a scenario, this is how the game works. you can't be like "ooh exo armor is good because it technically covers more area" when the area it covers literally doesn't matter due to arms being in front of it

nothing in your spreadsheets has ever been accurate

[paper vector]

The arms do not cover the entire thing and definitely not from all angles.

[paper vector]

Accurate to within ~1ms assuming assumptions hold

[paper vector]

Also everything can be described as a scenario so idk what you mean

Assumptions are pretty simple. I am literally just offering to change the first two to approximate how good the armour is according to how you perceive the gameplay

Since according to the average community member’s perception of their in game performance, the chestplate’s durability is much, much more impactful.

[idle valley]

genuinely stop posting

im this close to just blocking you so i never have to read your dumbfuck opinions ever again

[paper vector]

Why are you being so hostile

I really do not understand why you are being like this rn

[still ledge]

The cat picture just makes the agressivness more goofy lmao

[paper vector]

I’m trying to offer a reasonable method for a conclusion to this

[still ledge]

Remides me of this

[paper vector]

I don't like this community :(

[summer prairie]

I find the ttk so low in this game generally I don't see a tangible difference between the armors tbh

[still ledge]

Welcome to the internet

Were starting a normal argument turns into a battle to the death

[bright umbra]

hold on to your socks

[still ledge]

Im not continuing that part

[bright umbra]

coward

[still ledge]

Die???

Consider the rope?

[paper vector]

whether or not it is noticable does not determine the impact it actually has, which is quite measurable

[summer prairie]

Well, it's tangible yes

Meant to say feel a difference I guess

Except exo helmet, that has saved me a lot

[flat sedge]

err less actually than heavy

[flat sedge]

just using this photo, asked the guy to aim at me

otherwise

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1152896217517391902/1159621701945012234/8mb.video-8QQ-VvOsqcHi.mp4?ex=6531b0de&is=651f3bde&hm=833de09e931c6ea935c9a91050c8848db934474922f1ab2b40c0f0ba8b5894dc&

[paper vector]

Which of my statements were you referring to?

[flat sedge]

the more magazines

exo has 4 last I checked compared to heavy's 6

[paper vector]

The other guys were comparing it to normal

[paper vector]

Though actually normal is the same isn’t it

So yeah that was mistaken, sorry

[flat sedge]

as a side note, I enjoy the fact the difference is modeled on exo

anyhow through reason I bring these bits up (the two images & video), if you do a bipoded exo chest offers at best very limited benefit

Since it is arms & head only from the front

where exo helmet still supplies a consisent benefit to the front by armoring the head denying any HS multipliers coming your way (as well as raising the STK of some smgs by +2 to cancel out & than some the -1 STK from HS)

[still ledge]

It only works whenbyou are on the move and not bipod

Altough i remember obe time shooting a support from the back and that exo armour blocked my shots

He akmost managed to kill me in the process

So i guess getting backshot isnt that bad with exo, but thats a bad situation to begin with and one you should avoid

[paper vector]

What do you mean by this?

[lethal river]

When you aim down sights your arms stick out front

[still ledge]

In bipod position(prone or standing up and aiming)makes your arms be really exposed

[paper vector]

Which SMGs raise it by more than one?

I’m pretty sure there are none.

Helmet still takes headshot multiplier

[still ledge]

Its no a bad armour

But you can bypass it with these minor things

With are easy to bypass even

[flat sedge]

when prone & front faced

[flat sedge]

to knowledge vector

otherwise heard armor health didn't take HS multiplier

[still ledge]

Hmm

[paper vector]

It does.

[still ledge]

What if we make the current heavy armour have the same hitbox as the exo armour qe have

[paper vector]

Otherwise M200 wouldn’t have been able to one tap exo with barrel attachments

[still ledge]

And an actual exo armour that covers the arms aswell

[paper vector]

Helmets would be much more viable if they ignored the multiplier

Their issue is they simply are weak.

In a bit I’ll get some numbers for different hit location values for different helmet/chest combos

Actually I could make a grid of them

(Helmet viability and chestplate viability are not independent. Different types work differently with each other.)

[gilded dock]

From the way I heard it, hs multiplier only applies to overflow damage from breaking the helmet

[gilded canopy]

nimble detected, nice

fr im fearing for my life right now, i cant wait for Oki to drop the new update so the community can stop crying about support having more than 4 guns

[hot solar]

na it only really helps when you get shot in the back. and that's really only for one fight. Ya you might win one fight because of it but after that you get all the negatives with no extra health. The negatives on the medium chest is way less harmful then the negatives on the exo so if I'm losing both in one fight I'd rather it be the medium armor.

[paper vector]

if it really led you to winning one fight that'd be a +1 to your KD which would be pretty massive - but it has a decent chance of that.

[hot solar]

the thing is medium armor has faster overall movement so i normally get more kills with it because repositioning is really important in this game

slower exo armor makes it harder to safely move because of how slow it makes you

its basically medium ya you might not win every first fight but when you do your more likely to keep winning after it

while exo ya you should win that first fight if they (don't shoot your limbs) after that your at way more of a disadvantage and are not likely to keep winning fights

Exo is very situational if you want to camp and barely move then use it. If you want to move around and do stuff then use normal. Heavy is just awful don't use it.

[woven fossil]

Excited to try LSW bipods

I assume the RPK15 (right?) will have one by default

[livid carbon]

rpk16
i hope it will tho yeah

[lyric dust]

If it's an lsw and not a support exclusive BR

Which it should be

[heavy sage]

remove brs from support

[gilded canopy]

No

[heavy sage]

Why

[gilded dock]

Because it's nice to have a weapon option that's not "suppressing fire," and the category of mid-range automatic fire fits most of the battle rifles. Maybe not the Fal, but Oki does what Oki wants.

[heavy sage]

mid range automatic fire only fits g3 and scar

ak15 and fal will be cancer on support with exo armour

[hot solar]

omg exo is not that strong ya it makes most guns take 2 more shots to kill.... only if you dont hit the persons arms that cover a large portion of there chest.....

[summer prairie]

Remove the extended mag penalties

Or even just half them

[hot solar]

exo also only protects for one fight then boom your super slow with nothing protecting you

[hot solar]

I'm more worried about a full speed medic or engineer with these guns then a slow person in exo armor

or a support with a bipoded lmg

[lethal river]

honestly

l86a1 55 rounds

😩

[fierce dawn]

now add exo penalties to that

how slow can we go

[flat sedge]

chest is 5%, helmet is 7.5% if I recall

heavy backpack is 10%

[fierce dawn]

sub-50%

nice

[lethal river]

yeah

tried that ages ago

holy fuck you go nowhere LMAO

[flat sedge]

I

did some messing around

also I am wrong on exo chest

it is 10%

so 27.5% penalty on armor

heavy BP + exo

attachments on either the MG36 or L86A1

Flir + heavy barrel + Drum + magpul angled

result

it looks sorta like a barret cosplay on the L86 in a sense

run speed displayed on gun is 0.65

ADS is 0.52 on MG36 and 0.51 on the L86

if you want to further decrease ADS speed at the cost of going faster, gunfighter grip seems to be the way currently

otherwise some number crunching on AK15 ; should be alright (Slower TTK than the MG36 on a standard 100 HP target at the benefits of faster reactionary combat with all the other differences mixed in)

[still ledge]

mid range fire only fits g3 and scar
remove the entire category of weapons from the class

Yup this one of the comments of all time

[idle valley]

^

[still ledge]

Kinda falls flat when the old l68 had a faster ttk than the fal yet you never saw anyone talk that it was op on support

And alot of people even calling it to reverse to the old one until everyone just moved on

To the ak15 i have like
Nothing to protect it lmao

[paper vector]

No, it didn’t

Unless you assume pure body shots against unarmoured enemies maybe? Not sure

L86 in its current state has pretty good recoil for the ttk

[fierce dawn]

Just ignore solar sausage the guy has his own weird damage modeling that has nothing to do with the actual game

[paper vector]

Is it just me or is that resolution literally unreadable
I cannot make out any of those numbers

[paper vector]

If they want to ignore what happens in the actual game they’re welcome to, as long as they acknowledge what they’re ignoring.

[still ledge]

Yeah i guess it did just went crazy and lowered the ttk

Iirc l86 was 155 while fal was 160-180 dont remember that one correctly

[paper vector]

Is easy to calculate given such a simple scenario

[still ledge]

#1178596014052089877 message

[paper vector]

155ms vs 185ms

[still ledge]

Yet still shows how it was on par or better compared to the fal

Again people are overreacting and thinking this will be something that it wont be changed

Aswell as just straight up going against everything because of one weapon

[paper vector]

Assuming we can’t have headshots and only hit limbs.

FAL only needs one headshot in that scenario to reduce btk, but for L86 headshots do nothing

[still ledge]

What was the ttk on headshot

[paper vector]

92ms

[still ledge]

And on l86

[paper vector]

It is a major factor that conventional spreadsheets entirely ignore

[paper vector]

Unchanged. 155 no matter how many headshots

It does change once you factor in armour though, of course

[still ledge]

Prob just the helmet since good chance you will hit the arms instead of tbe armour itself

[paper vector]

Helmet is less likely to be struck than the torso unless you only hit torso in like ~10% or less of your shots

If we assume the enemy is facing us then most helmet types are unlikely to take a hit given headshot.

[still ledge]

But yeah sounds quite something
You could basically make thebe less effective and it would be cool

Tbh ttk in general is quite a topic because everything changes
Same for ak 74 and m4a1 were one does better on hesdshot than the other

[paper vector]

Nothing you can’t account for statistically

Speaking of which, I do need to update my spreadsheet, it still has separate long barrel profiles because I didn’t want to let them go 🥲

Also might artificially bump up limb shot chance. Since it seems increasingly like it’s higher than what the redditors thought it was.

[still ledge]

Mfw your arms takes half of your torso

Unironically shooting a exo armour from the back is more difficult to kill than shooting from the front

Never had i seen so much armour being hot off when my target was a afk support

[paper vector]

Anyone happen to have a good image of a BBR player aiming at them? Want to get some estimates

[still ledge]

Someone posted pics here

Video aswell

[paper vector]

that works I guess

[still ledge]

#1138399550210576466 message

[flat sedge]

slower TTK than MG36

[still ledge]

A lot of the armor is covered and you can get shot in the arms while someone is trying to headshot you

[flat sedge]

old L86 with LB had a 3 tap & 2 tap head, at a 775 RPM , fal has 650 RPM with same BTK

[paper vector]

so it did over 33.3 damage?

[flat sedge]

yea

when it had 32 damage + LB it when over the breakpoint

[paper vector]

FAL kills with a headshot and a bodyshot which is the major component here. headshot + bodyshot is a lot more likely than two headshots

[flat sedge]

Still, 775 RPM

So looking at this without subjection, it killed faster

It is literally both had same shots to kill & one shoots faster

old chart for reference

0.077 HS TTK with 0.155 body

[paper vector]

well yeah, just not in every case

[flat sedge]

solar we are talking optimal TTK, beside the L86 had better recoil stats than fal last I checked

but to sum it up, you are shooting 2 extra rounds & a bit more per second

[paper vector]

well, I was not

still, looks like with modern assumptions on the old weapon stats, the L86 was slightly ahead anyway

(without armour)

[still ledge]

But still the fact alot of people didnt cared and or wanted the changes to be reverted can still say that the fal wont be that much of a problem

[paper vector]

this is how they used to compare against armoured enemies (both have long barrels)

I think this is more or less accurate

[flat sedge]

so which armor?

[paper vector]

all of them, weighted by their popularity

[flat sedge]

bit of a odd way

but chest wise

we got 0.155 (L86) vs the fal's 0.185

Since chest armor can easily be ignored

[paper vector]

well, how else are you gonna get something useful

[flat sedge]

Yes/No

that would be a average I guess

but this can rapidly change based on the oppenenat

or the server

[paper vector]

the relevancy of all values will.

[flat sedge]

if one server leans more heavily into supports with heavy, another medic in ranger

but to sum up

with the chest we can ignore the armor

[paper vector]

...why?

[flat sedge]

Legs exist

[paper vector]

most players aim for the chest it seems

[flat sedge]

aimming at the legs counters 3 different tactics

[paper vector]

and legs are so often behind cover

[flat sedge]

1. drop shots
2. lean spam
3. armor

[paper vector]

also, you should never ignore any scenario. Alter its importance yes, but ignoring it reduces the quality of your data

[flat sedge]

Legs being behind cover depends on sitution

But many will run in the open

many tend to prefer the aggression

And even than, arms

But you get the idea

[paper vector]

if you have perfect aim, no recoil, and the enemy is either stationary or at point blank then you could ignore it

none of those are guarunteed to be true

[flat sedge]

true, equally we are going less from TTK stats to theory making & such

so in pure TTK, we got two good sized "ignore these"

and they partly cover up the armored area

[paper vector]

I see no reason to abstract data further from the game than neccesary.

For it to be useful it needs to be close

[flat sedge]

Anyhow you get the idea through

Pure TTK wise the old L86 wins

[still ledge]

While its true for some extent it is necesseray to know how strong a weapon is at base and how similisr they are to the other weapons

[paper vector]

that does not require oversimplifying the data

wrong reply

[paper vector]

oversimplifying the scenario makes that harder

[still ledge]

I mean oversimplifyin the ttk of the fal is basically the entire argument everyone has against fal on support

Alot of people just bring the ttk and leave it at that and dont bring nothing more

When we had a weapon that work similiar to it just on that argument and no one complained about

I dont have 100% certan it will be perfect balance
But to simply denie that possibility and lock support for 2 category is just being close minded because if everyone can have some weapons and basically alot of those why cant we

[paper vector]

did some armour combination stats (the value is average ttk increase of an enemy shooting you)

which is mildly interesting

I raised the limb shot chance arbitrarily to 50% for this, so it's significantly more likely than a bodyshot now

this shows that there is actually not as much difference as I thought between medium-chest-exo-helm and exo-chest-medium-helm

exo helm might actually be more durable considering snipers (not in this data), but it doesn't give you the extra grenades

can't remember the run speeds of the individual items so not sure if one is faster

there we go

so exo-helm + normal-torso is slower run speed than exo-torso + normal-helm

now to make a third one for the arbitrary metric of protection% per movement loss % 😼

[livid carbon]

another day of solar sausage schizo posting

[paper vector]

:D

[livid carbon]

1984ed

[still ledge]

Solar remindes of myself when i used to plsy for honor lmao

[paper vector]

would you look at that

maybe normal helmets are better than I give them credit for

[paper vector]

these colourful grids are gonna look great at the pearly gates

[still ledge]

Honestly talking fabiut l86
Would the bipof counter act the recoil debuffs from the drum mag?

[lyric dust]

hats are heavy

[still ledge]

Still lighter than your mom

[lyric dust]

That was very impolite of you

[still ledge]

Im sorry

It was mean

[lyric dust]

Apology accepted

[summer prairie]

That would be dope

[lyric dust]

A useful optional drum mag? In my battlebit?

Its more likely than you think

[summer prairie]

It's self correcting too now that I think about it

You could run and gun with the bigger mag but you get all those penalties and a worse gun

Compounded by running a bipod to make it even worse unless you hunker down like support is suppose to

I love holding an angle prone

[lyric dust]

Then you get out sniped by an smg for the 100th time

[summer prairie]

Other than poor positioning, that's not really something support can control though

SMGs shouldnt be touching the range of a LMG

[lyric dust]

No shit

[summer prairie]

So maybe sit farther away instead of complaining?

[lyric dust]

I will if I have the choice but the fight isn't always in optimal conditions

[still ledge]

Me sitting the farthest i can get and a random assault kills me with a dmr

Honestly thats why i only join squads that have more than 100 squad points so i can block some line of sights to not get killed by a sniper

Namak is basically a good example but those trees in C are enviromental and cant be destroyed

Got some 40 kills and 10 deaths just by staying there

And flanking is difficult if they dont capture C

[summer prairie]

That's another positioning situation I'd say, but also something that's not up to the support if every class can run a DMR

It's part of why I suggested earlier to untie support's building points from the squad's, we can properly hunker down with more sandbags etc

Recons are at least fast enough to run away when they're sitting in one place, us not quite so much

[gilded canopy]

if u really want to keep making these, can u make one in the pros of the bipod vs recoil reducing attachments?

right now i really cant notice a difference between the vertical grip and the bipod tbh

and thats a lot to say considering that bipod makes u be stationary while shooting and vertical grip doesnt

[lyric dust]

there's definitely a difference on sustained fire

Burst its fairly unnoticed

[livid carbon]

bipod has 30% reduction on both recoils iirc

[drifting mulch]

Surprised it isn't more
But that's mostly because of how niche it feels to me setting up to use it

Most reliable way is to go prone, sometimes being blocked by foliage and having limited movement to escape when in tough situations since you gotta stand up to then run away.

[gilded canopy]

Yeah, the times i really needed the bipod to defend a place, it was better to just use the vertical grip because the 10% more accuracy that bipod might give isnt enough to make it worth loosing movility

i love that bipod (is) a choice nowdays tho, they do be fixing the game, slowly, but it sure is happening :)

[eternal glen]

Hello yes, support class is still the worst in the game!
Having a lot of armor doesn't really change the time to kill -except against SMGs-. And the heavy movement reduction with large weapons and the armor is absolutely not a fair trade? With movement, I mean the time to get the weapon to start aiming. The time for them to get out of inventory, time to reload, and overall just movement speed.

And with the lack of supression there's just no real point in playing heavy guns. When you get in position you do a lot of kills ; I'm fairly certain my second most kill weapon is the m249 or ultimax, but i've made 3x more kills with the aug with barely more time..

[lyric dust]

We know

Every single word of that is permanently burned into the collective psyche of every single support main

[eternal glen]

Keeping on nerfing Medic won't actually make Support more attractive in any logical manner?
Scout has a good thing to it ; you're fast, sniper rifles feel good, and you're just a pain in the ass to everyone even your team.
Engineer has rpg for the ones that hate aiming and still can get vehicles out of action. Anti vehicle mines are bad tho.

I feel like there's something that needs to be done to support to make it more interesting? The trophy is cool but i wish it wasn't given to every other class actually

[lyric dust]

The day of the MG3 will come

[eternal glen]

More weapons is fun but who cares in general..
Given them access to ARs could be an idea? At least it should be tried

[lyric dust]

God no

[eternal glen]

My bad for giving ideas

💀

[lyric dust]

Supports weapons are extremely boom or bust

[eternal glen]

The class is dogshit and whenever i see a support i just feel like it's a waste of a class

assault at least has a point of having combat buffs and access to heavy armor