Map Voting - Feedback

[ashen portal]

Nah y’all are debating something I’ve already solved. Just stop showing vote count and % and leave as is

[spark knoll]

if less than 50% voted then all the people that voted combined are the minority and the votes shouldn't count and no one is going to be happy.

[cyan pine]

I'm just clarifying cause to me what he wrote is pretty clear

[cyan pine]

If people don't vote I don't care about their opinion one bit

it's not hard to vote at the end of the game

if you don't like the selections vote random

you don't have the old excuse of I don't like the options anymore

[ashen portal]

What if they had to go run and take a shit pre match. I’ve already given the simplest solution. Maybe do something about the night randoms and add a ban/queue in place so the same map isn’t played twice in 3 maps. Otherwise leave as is and remove displaying counts and % so people aren’t butthurt. Problem solved

[spark knoll]

All that does is leave you in the dark anyway... you'd never know if the voting is working or not, and if you dont know if its working or not it might as well be random.

[ashen portal]

No matter how they change it if they continue to display % and count someone is going to feel cheated

You can know it’s working by accepting the map

And not being a child

[cyan pine]

I doubt people go to take a shit after every match

it's fine you didn't get to vote once

[ashen portal]

As explained in the video I posted. If the devs care about leaving people “in the dark” display lies to keep them happy

Ignorance is bliss

Can literally have the random map select before anything is even displayed and then just always give the “random” one the highest %

[jagged hare]

They already tried that by defaulting everyone who doesn't vote to random. Then people realized what happened and they were not happy. So in that case not telling people right away that it works that way backfired

[ashen portal]

I like the system as is other than playing the same map twice in 3 games, so I’m down for whatever. Just stating the simplest solution to shut up the complainers is to lie in the UI or hide the vote entirely. The map system IS better than it was and I’m sure that would be the majority consensus. I can guarantee with absolutely no data that the minority of players miss playing waki every other map

And the rest are enjoying life much more with this system. Even if you absolutely hate night maps and have to back out of a server. At least there are other server options that aren’t waki / sunny / tensa

Anyone who wants to go back to only votes counting and no random is a or a little bird pilot. So either way a

[violet furnace]

The actual results of the current system are great. More map variety but still biased towards the best maps.

[severe hazel]

Please just make it more obvious like that week with diffent slices of map that spins

So my tiny little brain can comprehend the chances

[livid urchin]

I take back everything bad I said about the voting system

It made me realize that instead of wasting my time waiting for the 40 secs it takes, just leaving the game and jumping to a server with a mode and map I like is much faster

[smoky sail]

idk man server hopping kills the game flow 4 me and its really bad when u play with friends i have noticed

[limber light]

Revert back the freaking voting system. WHY IS FUCK AZAGOR WINNING WITH ONLY 10% OF THE VOTES WHILE EVERY OTHER MAP IS 30-20%

[weak cedar]

Because u stupid.

[low gull]

azagor good tho

[inner plaza]

Complaint
Honestly, this weighted voting system is very bad. Half of the maps I end up getting are random at night. Especially after the new night changes which somehow made night look worse it feels every other map I am getting ends up being night. Instead of that instant join a server and get going gratification that made this game so fun to play, I now have to open server browser for official servers, sort by size to get 127 v 127 and look through each map to make sure its not a nighttime map.

Finally when I do find a daytime map, once it ends we get random voted into another night time map and I have to DC and do the same thing again. This makes playing with friends incredibly painful to recreate the party or wait for everyone else to leave the server and join the new one. It also ruins the flow because now I don't get a lot of the start part of the games since I have to server hop so often. Also I am sure lots of people also leave to server hop because of this now. This seems to cause alive server player counts to drop and turn dead and just ruin game pacing again due to a sudden new lack of players instead of organic leaving and joining.

Suggestions
Revert nighttime visual changes, lessen the chances of getting a nighttime map from a random vote, offer a daytime or nighttime playlist, offer a random day and random night voting option, offer an in game/ during game voting system to change map/time of day so when we do roll random we can vote to try and fix and change it to day instead of the server dying out. Random punishes the servers way too much and should just be removed.

If you want to force diversity in maps you can instead have pools of maps that have similar pick rates and at the end of each game show either the maps with high pick rates, or medium pick rates, or low pick rates and therefore each will get their time. Or just balance the maps and make them more fun instead of adding this bad voting system.

[jagged hare]

One map had 30% votes, second 22.5% and random 22.5%. Who won? Dusty with 7.5%

[twilit geyser]

In my end most of time it's between the 2 most voted maps, but sometimes yes a map with 6% get picked, but it's normal for a lucky roulette. And it's good for variety. So stop crying and play.

About the Night maps I can understand though

[cyan pine]

and this is why you only keep the top 3 votes

[jagged hare]

Agree, that would be ok, but now it's just meh

[cyan pine]

From what I've seen some people are mad that low vote maps do win, and I agree they shouldn't win. But oki is allergic to implementing a suggestion as it is so he needs to leave some parts out and make the system frustrating until he implements the parts he left out.

[twilit geyser]

If low vote maps are not voted, you would experience the same shit as before, over and over again the same 4 maps. So maps with low votes need to have a chance to be picked to force the variety.

[cyan pine]

You can "force" variety by disabling the same map from being voted for the next 5 maps or so, not by making voting frustrating. If a map that only 5% have voted wins it just means you got 95% (assuming everyone voted) of the server playing a map they don't want to play.

Simply put this ain't it

Just because for a while variety was nearly non-existent does not justify doing this to force it

[twilit geyser]

cmon, so many people suggested a lottery system, and now that the system is up, you still find something to say. The lottery system is the fairest one. The only problem I see now is there are maybe to many nights maps when random is picked.

[cyan pine]

My brother in christ I suggested the lottery system as well

I'm not saying the system is bad I'm saying the implementation is bad

Oki didn't consider night maps or low percent votes

It's quite obvious

[twilit geyser]

It's a lottery system ! low percent votes need to have a chance to be picked ! understand that please....

[atomic veldt]

1. random option should be removed or at least use player votes to determine how likely a night map should be

2. options for voting should be increased

I would have no complaints with this system if that was done

I don’t think anyone asked for the random option to begin with

[cyan pine]

Why do they need to have a chance?

[atomic veldt]

So everyone has a fair say.

If your opinion is disregarded just because most people don’t like it, that is not fair

[cyan pine]

That's how voting works

That's how voting worked and people didn't like it

Just because you have a niche opinion does not mean you have the right to force it on others

[atomic veldt]

I think everyone has the right to equal representation.

[cyan pine]

5% votes for map means it's overwhelmingly unpopular

why fuck over the majority?

[atomic veldt]

Because they shouldn’t get their way 100% of the time

Because they are not everyone

[cyan pine]

You are arguing like this is a democracy, if it was then we should go back to the old system

where everyone is equally represented

[atomic veldt]

No

[cyan pine]

Yes

[atomic veldt]

The old system failed at that terribly

It was an FPTP system

[cyan pine]

The old system did that

It's just that you didn't like it

the old system was literally irl voting

what the most people want got played

[atomic veldt]

The strength of your vote in that is affected massively by the combinations of maps that happen to appear and the popularity of your opinion

[cyan pine]

You don't get to be the extreme minority and also get your way to then say "fair say"

[atomic veldt]

There is no reason to take the issues the plague real world democracies into a game.

[cyan pine]

what about the other 95%?

[atomic veldt]

They win 95% of the time

Is there some issue with that

[cyan pine]

oh but you get to bring in irl democracy rhetoric?

[twilit geyser]

@cyan pine you are a Waki/Basra/sandy/Waki/Sandy/Basra guy. For the love of the universe, play on others maps and enjoy them.

[atomic veldt]

…you’re the one that mentioned irl voting

[cyan pine]

I'm not

do you really need to strawman me here @twilit geyser ?

[cyan pine]

my guy you brought in the democracy rhetoric

[atomic veldt]

It’s a voting system
The point is to be democratic
But until now I didn’t mention this

[twilit geyser]

the previous system gave the power to 20 people to vote for the 230 others players, that was not damn fair....

[cyan pine]

that's my point though

giving that chance to the 5% is not democratic when you look at the bigger picture

it's extremely unpopular and yet it does have a chance to win

[atomic veldt]

that seems backwards
usually the argument against this system is that people won’t experience the bigger picture

[cyan pine]

meaning you have the chance to fuck over 95%

Most of the time the vote gets split between 3 maps rather closely and 1 map gets like 5-10 votes

this means that the real disagreement is between those 3 maps not the one with low votes

[atomic veldt]

But it isn’t ever going to be 95%

It isn’t like the map option people vote for is the only one they’d be cool with.

[cyan pine]

mate if something gets voted in with 5% it means that 95% did not vote for it assuming everyone voted

[atomic veldt]

Mm hm

Just means they like something else better

[cyan pine]

so if the 5% option is picked you picked the one option that 95% of the server did not want

[atomic veldt]

the one option that 95% of the server decided there was a better alternative to

[cyan pine]

So while trying to give everyone a fair say you made it so that the majority of players didn't get their say

[atomic veldt]

They did, 95% of the time

[cyan pine]

Does that really matter to the players?

Look at this thread

[atomic veldt]

Matters to me, I’m a player

[cyan pine]

Do you think they'll be like "oh I got my wish 9 times out of 10 doesn't matter if I play this map once"

no they'll just leave the server

[atomic veldt]

If 95% are crying over having to spend 5% of the time doing something they like a bit less. Why does their suffering matter less than the 5% who have to do something they like less the other 95% of the time

[cyan pine]

because it's 95% to 5%

like wtf are you even saying

[atomic veldt]

95% 5% of the time is the same as 5% 95% of the time.

That is incredibly simple

[cyan pine]

you appeal to the majority not the minority

[atomic veldt]

Then a minority has its vote disregarded entirely. Which is unfair

[cyan pine]

better than minority forcing the majority

[atomic veldt]

An extreme scenario of course. But you could have up to 49% of people loosing their say entirely if you try and do this

[cyan pine]

there's no way

[atomic veldt]

Why anyone would want something like that is just beyond me

[cyan pine]

I said top 3

there's no mathematical way you get 49% of the votes discounted

[atomic veldt]

Do you mean to say that an option that isn’t in the top 3 should be disregarded?

I don’t get the point. It just dilutes fairness for the cause of making the people who are already happy with the outcome happier.

[cyan pine]

and that's the goal

you maximize happiness

you can't ever appeal to everyone so you just appeal to the majority

[atomic veldt]

that is not maximising happiness

[cyan pine]

idk how @twilit geyser got the idea that I'm a waki/basra/sandy cycle guy when I suggested lottery as well in the first place

[atomic veldt]

the happiness of anyone who isn’t of a popular opinion isn’t irrelevant or something

[cyan pine]

happiness of the overwhelming majority is

[atomic veldt]

It’s a proportionally smaller gain in happiness for a larger majority.

Like it’s literally the exact same. Percentages are reversible

If everyone’s vote is equally powerful it means the most people get to play their favourite options the most

[cyan pine]

but if you look at the conclusions

[atomic veldt]

conclusions?

[cyan pine]

the 5% getting the vote over 95% means their vote is more than 19x more powerful

people don't care about probabilities

they care about the results

[atomic veldt]

If they won all the time then sure. But they win 5% of the time, so it’s identical

Like you can’t have a system that completely randomly selects a single person’s vote to use and have the votes somehow not equal in strength

[cyan pine]

Man how does the part about results fly over your head

The system would still be the same if we randomly picked one guy to select the map

Then you'd agree that the guy who gets picked has a more powerful vote than everybody else right?

[atomic veldt]

Indeed

[atomic veldt]

He only had a very small chance of gaining this. After the random part is already determined of course, but you can’t act like it didn’t happen

Like I could say with the old system after one map had won, that now the people no longer have a vote

But that would be a totally irrelevant point because it literally doesn’t mean anything

[severe hazel]

They don’t tho

[cyan pine]

and I'd call you out for using a false equivalency

[cyan pine]

the chances being low does not change the outcome

the outcome makes their vote effectively more valuable

and it leaves the rest of the players who are the majority btw frustrated with the system

[severe hazel]

The problem with this system is it makes so few people happy . If the 40% wins that means there’s still more people unhappy than happy . The problem with the old system was that while more people were happy cuz 60% voted basra the other small % of players were NEVER happy

[atomic veldt]

It’s the closest thing I could find. In both cases it’s deliberately omitting consideration of an important timeframe in order to prove a point

[severe hazel]

I’d rather more players were happy

[atomic veldt]

How can you even argue a point like this
They literally do

[severe hazel]

And don’t tell me I’m a basra waki Sandy lover. They are my least favourite maps

[atomic veldt]

No, the percentages are equivalent here. 40% winning 40% of the time leaves the 60% happy 60% of the time and that is perfectly equivalent in overall happiness for all involved. Assuming both groups enjoy the game equally

[severe hazel]

Ik that 95% of the time the 5% won’t win

But all the 95% is split

So only some of them will be happy

Idk what to tell you

You can use all the % you like

[atomic veldt]

That… doesn’t affect the logic of the argument

[severe hazel]

All the people I play with say they they can’t consistently play fun maps

[atomic veldt]

The idea proposed was that 95% are happy with all but one option which 5% are happy with

[severe hazel]

Idrc

I’m done with % and stuff

[atomic veldt]

That is impossible in any system

[severe hazel]

The maps aren’t fun right now

[atomic veldt]

Unless everyone agrees with each other all the time

[severe hazel]

Lol what

[cyan pine]

It's not omitting anything

[atomic veldt]

If half of people want A and the other half want B, how are you supposed to make everyone happy all the time?

It’s impossible

[cyan pine]

The current system is effectively what I said

what you said was just a false equivalency

[severe hazel]

Hey all I know sir is that Me and my friends used to enjoy the game and since this random map stuff we’ve stopped playing a lot

[atomic veldt]

this line is the problem, the rest was accurate

[severe hazel]

Explain with with percentages

[atomic veldt]

The outcome is based on their vote, not the other way around

[cyan pine]

it literally is not

look at the result for fuck sake

it doesn't matter if they had low chance to do it

if that chance lands then their vote effectively counted for more

and it will land

it will leave the rest feeling like shit

someone else posted this above but gamers are fucking dumb

they don't care about probabilities they only look at the results

[atomic veldt]

If it landed more than expected then it would.

[atomic veldt]

Yeah that’s the tricky part

[cyan pine]

it's not

just make it top 3

[atomic veldt]

If every gamer was you then that’d be a great system

[cyan pine]

keep the most amount of people happy

it's because every gamer is not me that I suggest top 3

I don't really care if the 5% wins

at worst I'll just leave and search for a server

look at all the people complaining about low percent votes winning

they don't understand shit about the system so it leaves them mad

[atomic veldt]

Neither you nor I know what people would enjoy the most, because we are guessing based on projections of ourselves and anecdotes from a small amount of other players who argue here

[cyan pine]

Man why do people in this dc love saying shit like this

Yes you don't know it for certain

but if someone voted for a map over another I assume they enjoy it more

[severe hazel]

,

[cyan pine]

that's the logical conclusion there

[atomic veldt]

Yeah this goes back to the players are dumb part

People’s experiences will be biased by their expectations, intuitive understanding of the system and other emotion-ey things
And I can’t account for that in an accurate manner

[atomic veldt]

Yes, this has never been a point of contention

[cyan pine]

what is this then?

also the small amount of players here matter, they care enough to give feedback

[atomic veldt]

Ok, if we had a set of vote results in front of us we could say what a maps a specific person enjoys the most.

I was talking about which voting system would be healthier for the game

[cyan pine]

those who don't give feedback cannot expect their wishes about the game to get implemented

[cyan pine]

on this point I'll keep my stance of lottery of top 3

the old system sucked ass

the new one leads to shit situations

also can we vote for day/night after a map has been picked

it'd stop the random night map bs and it'd not divide the votes of a map

[atomic veldt]

This would increase the accuracy of the outcomes a bit, agreed

[cyan pine]

it'd also stop people playing night maps from random when they don't want them

the current iteration of night maps is just bad

[atomic veldt]

I have a feeling that most of the random votes are just people who want to play a map that isn’t in the pool
Not that I can back that statement up

[cyan pine]

you can't turn off the lights in a day map and expect it to be good

[cyan pine]

and that's why random is there

exactly that

[atomic veldt]

but what if we just
had more options to choose from instead

[cyan pine]

you don't want to play basra/isle/multuislands/azagor? vote random

[cyan pine]

eh idk

ask oki

but we need to have some limitation there

or we would just get the most popular maps frequently

[atomic veldt]

to have all the maps selectable would be too much

[cyan pine]

like if you had 10 out of 15 maps to vote for then repeat maps would be frequent

[atomic veldt]

That’s an interesting idea actually. It sounds good but I’m not certain if it would be fair right now. I think I would support a mix of both

[cyan pine]

still

a map shouldn't appear in voting for the next 5 rounds or something

maybe more maybe less that depends on testing

[atomic veldt]

I would be fine with like, 2
If a map is sufficiently popular it should be able to be played about as much as it deserves to be

[severe hazel]

Yea that doesn’t change the fact the game lost players cuz of the update

[atomic veldt]

Erm

actually…

Anyway. There is no way to tell if player losses / gains are due to smaller updates like this or not. Acting as if you know is just dishonest

Especially don’t call it a “fact”

[cyan pine]

Correlation does not imply causation

The game has been losing players ever since it "came out"

[severe hazel]

Wow this guy cares about his discord ideas

Or not ideas, just the other peoples opinions

[atomic veldt]

is that meant to be a comeback

[floral lotus]

i like low % maps having a chance to win. it makes it feel like a real lottery, and pisses off the wakistan/valley/basra voters

the only thing that needs to be changed atm is the removal of night maps from random (fuck you) and a better visualization of how the lottery works, such a the piechart approach

[cyan pine]

"I have no arguments left, what do I do? Uhh... Haha you care too much about your ideas on dc! GOTTEM"

[low gull]

what did they change about night? visibility is ass tho ye

[cyan pine]

they made visibility worse 💀

[low gull]

how? when? am i that blind and illiterate?

[cyan pine]

fuck if I know I don't play night maps

just some people saying that visibility is worse now

[low gull]

i mean yeah but they didn't change anything purposefully did they?

[atomic veldt]

I haven’t noticed anything changing there

[jagged hare]

He will not explain it with percentages, there is no reason to wait for it

Ok, I don't remember when was the update but today I was FINALLY able to play the new beach map. In other sessions I had random just kick me in the nuts and I couldn't even check it out

And I'm tired of swaping servers

[cyan pine]

It shouldn't be a "real lottery" though that's the point. Also basing an entire system around pissing off a certain group of players that are not the minority is just foolish.

[cyan pine]

beach map?

[jagged hare]

Zafila or something like that

[low gull]

zalfi bay

[jagged hare]

You know, the new one

[cyan pine]

cause basra has a beach

and there's no way you didn't play basra

[jagged hare]

I mean the one with huge resort. And I played Basra

[cyan pine]

you cannot escape basra

[low gull]

eduardovo, some version of it, has a beach xD

[jagged hare]

The huge water resort map where you feel like you're in Greece or something xD

[low gull]

ye zalfi bay ffs

[cyan pine]

the new map

[jagged hare]

I don't remember the name, I only played it once... that is today xD

[severe hazel]

why would i waste my time saying comebacks in a discord

[cyan pine]

lmao

[low gull]

is that meant to be a comeback?

[severe hazel]

oh god

[cyan pine]

is that meant to be a comeback?

[severe hazel]

im in an eternal loop

[cyan pine]

a hell of your creation

[jagged hare]

Basra-Waki-Valley-Sandy-Basra-Waki-Valley-Sandy

[severe hazel]

was that supposed to be a comebaxck tho

[jagged hare]

it never ends

[cyan pine]

is that meant to be a comeback?

[severe hazel]

yes it was

a cumback

[cyan pine]

basra enjoyers eat glue for its nutritional value

[smoky sail]

have the devs announced something about changing the voting system?

[low gull]

even as a sniper it's a cess pool

[severe hazel]

alll i want is this sausage guy to let me say my opinion and maybe , god forbid , say an idea without them thhroughing it down the drain with some you dont get it %%%%%%%%%%%%%% stuff

[severe hazel]

"slurping sounds"

[jagged hare]

Well, I like Basra and Valley and Waki, but Sandy is meh for me. Dusty too. As for percentages the idea with 3 top voted maps is great

[cyan pine]

you can express your opinion and leave lmao

he's just expressing his

[severe hazel]

um not really tho

[cyan pine]

Sandy might be the most boring map in this game

[low gull]

*throwing 🤓
but ye solar should cut back a little on his 🤓

[severe hazel]

he responds imediatly with %%%

and calls me dumb for not understanding

[jagged hare]

Sandy is just meh. I like Eduardovo but I think it should be a little bit smaller? I mean the visuals are cool but something sometimes feels off

[low gull]

the city part feels great

[cyan pine]

yea but the parts outside of the city exists

[severe hazel]

i like the city and the hills but in between thaat its living hell

[jagged hare]

Oh and I hate Multuislands and Wineparadise. And Isle. Wine is just boring and the only good part is near the middle point where the madness occurs

[cyan pine]

he was arguing with me and it spilled over to you

but % shouldn't scare you that much 😛

[jagged hare]

And that dam is a wasted opportunity. We could have had a map with a huge multilayered dam and that would be cool

[cyan pine]

Wine is only good on domination from my experience

Idk what vil was thinking designing those two

[jagged hare]

Wine sucks on conquest. Isle is also kinda meh on conquest.

[cyan pine]

Wine and multu are garbage on conq

multu also has the fucking fog

[jagged hare]

Multu too. I prefer some other, more interesting maps

[low gull]

eduardovo's cool, i hope we get the milsim mode
that will be epic on that map

[jagged hare]

Dusty is kinda meh. I can understand why people don't want to play on it

[low gull]

i like it, same "milsim-y" vibe, the battles on it feel great

[floral lotus]

nah. the whole issue with the voting system was that it was stale, and the same few maps won the vote over and over. them getting voted for less, and other maps having a chance to be picked, is unequivocally a good thing

[cyan pine]

it really isn't, just look at people complaining here

if a map is unpopular it is unpopular for a reason

taking away that choice from the players just leads to frustrating outcomes

[floral lotus]

it really is. people complained when map voting wasn't random too. truth is people are gonna bitch and moan no matter what you do

but having map variety is good for the health of the game. people are bound to get burnt out and bored when it's just the same few maps over and over

[jagged hare]

We will see who is right after this weekend. If the player count will be lower than it was previously that will be the answer to everything

Right now it looks like that:

[floral lotus]

it's going to bleed players anyway because that is how multiplayer games work. people lose interest and play other things until there's an update to come back to

you can't base "answers to everything" on playercounts. correlation does not equal causation

[cyan pine]

Variety at the cost of not getting popular maps is not it

[floral lotus]

yeah, nah, it is it, lmao

[cyan pine]

variety at the cost of devaluing majority vote is not it

you cannot in good faith argue that every map is good

[jagged hare]

Not every map is, that is a fact

[cyan pine]

so it is not good that people cannot avoid those maps

arguing that variety is always better is just wrong

[fast fern]

instead random voting i think should be better to make servers with 1-2 gamemods. Like domi/frontline or conq/inf conq. Also make it not becoming bigger

community servers doesn't count they have very shitty hitreg

[solemn shell]

Personally, I would much rather go back to the old way of voting, most votes wins

[cyan pine]

This just creates map loops

a middle ground is better and that's imo lottery between top 3

[frail oyster]

Keep the random and weight but make the weight choose between top 3 %ages

[solemn shell]

I'm okay with that personally

I'm not a fan of the current system. I'm okay with non-votes going to random but I still think majority rules should win.

[frail oyster]

I think people are finally coming to realization that night maps are shit

[low gull]

you... personaly...

[frail oyster]

Eh I'm fine with night maps but I see a lot of people wanting the random to exclude night maps or tone down the number of times it picks it because yes 3-4 night maps in a row is a bit absurd

[cyan pine]

We really should be allowed to vote after the map is picked

[cyan pine]

Non-votes going to random just means random wins all the time. The old system was shit because it lead to 3 map cycles and got boring.

So you might personally not care but a lot of people do not like playing waki-basra-sandy all the time

[frail oyster]

I mean a sort of solutions would he to exclude 3-4 previous maps out of the vote pool to present other maps

That would help break 3 map cycles

[cyan pine]

yeah I suggested that as well

but idk if that'll happen soon

oki might just say yep that's enough of that and not bother

[frail oyster]

But first he would need to revert the random votes and maybe tweak the weight system

But as we know Oki doesn't revert changes and just muddles them until infinity

[cyan pine]

oki doesn't even implement what the suggestion was

bro somehow manages to cook up broken systems out of everything

[frail oyster]

He cooks, but man what he cooks ain't edible

[low gull]

it is, you can eat everything, some things only once tho

[cyan pine]

nah

somethings you just don't eat

like default random vote

[jagged hare]

It's fucking raw brother

[rocky terrace]

Bruh

No rng please, just revert to old system where majority voted maps is the one that pick by server, its is fps not some casino type of sh*t

[steady sigil]

Remember guys

Mario kart 8 deluxe online has a roulette system

[jagged hare]

So, here we have a night map and visibility is shit... and yet someone snipes me from god knows where. Fuck night, it's a cancerous bullshit

I'm in the dark and suddenly I'm sniped by AR"s from God knows where and how they can see me from that distance I have no idea

So much fucking fun, right? Right?

[floral lotus]

yes, night maps are trash

random should either not give night maps at all, or it should be split to "random day" and "random night"

[cyan pine]

I think we should get a 3rd vote about day/night so it doesn't split the votes of one map

[jagged hare]

Whoever invented night maps should eat raw and terrible food for an entire year to repent for this stuff

[cyan pine]

"invented" is giving them too much credit. Just turning off the light of a day map doesn't make a good night map

[atomic veldt]

what is a good night map?

[steady sigil]

None

Despite a lot of the maps having a city in it or taking place in a city there’s a lack of artificial light

No lamps or light posts or anything 😔

[low gull]

200 brightness with nvgs on salhan night and you still can't see anything...

[severe hazel]

700th day of asking for them to make it so we vote on if its night or not

3 people voted night

and its night

[cyan pine]

yep nothing wrong with that

fair say and all

[vocal dew]

Bring back the original voting system for maps and game modes.

Since the implementation of map randomization I experience mainly dead, imbalanced lobbies. Lobbies with one side stacked and farming kills.
I only play 32 v 32 Rush lobbies and the official servers with official rules are greatly missed.

The players voting for maps are the players that are going to continue logging into your game regularly and playing the maps and game modes they enjoy. We are the ones suggesting this game to our friends. We are the loyal player base that has played enough to develop an opinion about the match we are expected to play.

If a lobby wants to vote for Rush back to back, perhaps it is because it's the most popular and desired game mode. We should be able to vote for a game mode consistently.

thanks for reading,
honey LXIX

[twilit geyser]

Don't pay any attention, it's just an another Waki/Basra/Sandy guy

[vocal dew]

what

[twilit geyser]

whut

[vocal dew]

neither wakistan nor basra are rush maps

[twilit geyser]

ok but you just want to play on the same fucking modes and maps, it's the same thing

enjoy the current variety instead, please.....

[vocal dew]

i quit the game

[twilit geyser]

Quit it, and never come back 🙂

[low gull]

when two clowns meet...

vol. 1

[twilit geyser]

I'm tired of this debate.... Game has now variety, yall need stop crying. Let people play on all maps and modes.

[vocal dew]

i gave legitimate feedback after like 500 hrs on this game and being on a leaderboard
the developers can take it at face value
🤘

[low gull]

"i'm on a leader board" yeah good reason to take you at face value
"we got variety now" but it sucks huge butt xD

[jagged hare]

Barotrauma or Space Station 13 but in real life

[cyan pine]

bruh stop with the cringey name calling

what he's talking about is a valid issue

just throwing out "variety" every time somebody criticizes the new system is just annoying and dumb

[white lily]

Game always had variety its called joining other servers but okay. With the "variety" we have now people just leave the server and find a new one when they don't get the gamemode they want. I'm not playing conquest or infantry conquest and everytime it switches to those modes after a dom or frontline i just leave and so does half the server

The new server system is just 30x more annoying because you have to hop servers 9/10 games to play the game mode you want to play instead of previously when it was only 6/10 times

[strong onyx]

"Variety" doesn't equal more fun? Popular modes are what keeps servers alive. Look at COD and BF, there's always TDM servers populated versus things like CTF that aren't fully polished yet. If I wanna go on a Rush grind for xp, I shouldn't have to keep swapping servers. You can still vote, but when it's Random 95% of the time because of afks/non-votes it gets frustrating after a few games.

[white lily]

I seriously don't understand why we don't have dedicated servers for each game mode we've been complaining about this for a year now since playtest. I guarantee 90% of the people who quit this game quit because they were forced to play conquest 99% of the time since they just press 127vs127 quick play

And their entire gameplay experience was running around aimlessly around a huge barren map getting fucked by snipers and tanks for hours

No wonder they left

[fast fern]

The current voting for modes/maps is annoying. Nightmode is kinda nasty. I want to make my suggestion, which is unlikely to help. Configure servers for types of modes and for certain amount of players for example: conq/inf conq 127v127, domi/frontline 64v64. Without a possibility to become 127v127 from 64v64

[strong onyx]

Or even like how BF does it, have servers that are limited to specific modes and then from there have the people vote. Like keep CQC and bigger modes apart.

[fast fern]

that's what i mean. It's make me leave servers, when you just played domi and next is a conq💀

[violet furnace]

Yeah I agree I don’t think forcing servers to always switch game modes was the call. Also night being included when random wins is a mess.

I do like the weighted roulette of maps tho

[severe hazel]

This is all your arguments lol

[severe hazel]

I get that, but I also like to play domination. What’s your solution to let me play domination 1/4 games and rush 3/4 games

That’s how I think it should be

The popular mode played 75% of games and the lees popular 25% of the games

I don’t think this system is terrible

But it’s not the best

Tbh the worst part is the people who defend it piss me off

[cyan pine]

ngl I lowkey think that the lottery shouldn't apply to game mode voting

for map votes it's good, better than the old system but still can be improved

but like either run single game mode official servers or just not make it a lottery for game mode voting

[vocal dew]

in this case, backing out to the server browser should not inconvenience you, its only 1/4th. I'm no longer involving myself in this community until it's actively moderated. too many trolls and low effort posting.
rules aren't enforced, they're merely a suggestion.
I will miss you battlebutts 💔

[twilit geyser]

Well, the lottery system is the fairest that we can do for the two camps (pro-variety and anti-variety). Any vote can win, it's fair. No more to say.

[atomic veldt]

I don’t think anyone is really anti-variety

[severe hazel]

That’s variety

[severe hazel]

Just some certain snipers on waki

[atomic veldt]

I’m not convinced those people really exist / actually hold that viewpoint

[severe hazel]

I am

[twilit geyser]

I met some people on reddit and here who are pro Waki/Basra/Sandy. They just want to play the same maps over and over again. I'm sad to say that but, these people exist.....

[atomic veldt]

Fair enough I guess

[cyan pine]

These people exist does not mean everyone is them though

[twilit geyser]

yes of course

[cyan pine]

You keep calling people that when they criticize the current system

I still don't agree that the lottery should be between all 5 options

[warped solar]

im tired of fucking random winning and it putting us in a night map

Please let us a alteast vote for the time of day when its random

[weak cedar]

Day/night votes should be tallied together and decided separately to maps. Don't even have to change anything in the UI.

[warped solar]

Honestly night should be removed until it gets reworked

Its really bad rn

[weak cedar]

Nah, even if it's not in the best place rn, it should still be played a proportional amount to the amount of people who want to play it.

Just make day/night be a separate lottery to the map vote, it would fix the majority of people's problems with the new voting system. Also add a day/night option to the random map vote

[severe hazel]

Completely agree

[twilit geyser]

I agree on this point, night maps in random should be separated.

[severe hazel]

I would like that to happen Just not fair on others

[warped solar]

they did the same for squad leader

remove it until its good

[twilit geyser]

Yes, night vision is quite bad currently

[severe hazel]

Difference is that NOBODY except people trying it used it while night on lonovo was actually fairly popular

For some reason

[misty hollow]

I once again, wish to advise the devs to remove the goddamn 50% chance of night mode whenever random is voted, it kills all the fun in the game and empties 70% of the servers each time.

Game was literally at its peak with community servers being added, until we get night mode every 2 rounds if not all the time like this evening.

[cyan pine]

Make day/night vote separate from the actual map vote

Or just disable night maps until they are reworked to be maps that are actually designed as night maps

[misty hollow]

Should just be reworked at this point.
There is no point at all in night mode, at least in this state.
Night vision goggles, even at brightness 200 doesn't let me see someone 20m away from me.
Flares and flashbangs are absolutely horrendous as well.

But idk why we even bother speaking here, the devs aren't even in this channel

[cyan pine]

They rely on other people to sum the threads up for them

but yea I agree

the thing is night maps are not just day maps with no light, it takes actual thought to design them

[warped solar]

night should only be available on maps designed to be played at night

you cant just slap 0 ambient light on a premade map and call it a day

for example i think lonovo would be a good map thats excusively played in night mode, if some reworks were made like street lamps and stuff

ofc night as a whole still needs to be changed

[weak cedar]

Frugis night should be the only version of frugis

[opal grail]

bring back map voting variety does equal fun

conquest maps need to be smaller

[atomic veldt]

From what I’ve seen it’s more like less than ~15% of the lobby leaves and then it fills up again in a few minutes

[twilit geyser]

I experienced this yesterday in 64vs64 lobby, we ended up in 35vs35. Night maps really need to be reworked

remove night until it is reworked

[lavish tiger]

Night maps won't be a problem if there is ambient lighting from street lights, buildings or even so a more consistent nvg experience in all maps, some maps are just stupidly dark with or without nvgs

[jagged hare]

And yet standing in dark environment doesn't protect you from being sniped with AR's. How? Don't know. I can't see shit, but they can and just wreck my face from far away even though it's dark AF

[low gull]

or enemys standing in a corner 2m away from you...

[atomic veldt]

Moonlight plays a major factor

Half the map is soaked in it and the other is pitch black, on many night maps

If you’re in the wrong one you’re an easy and quite helpless target

[jagged hare]

I was in the deep dark and I was sniped with AR's being there. Explain to me how they could see me if I can't see them in there? How?

[atomic veldt]

Better monitor I guess

Unfortunately monitors play a huge part in how fun night maps are for you

The only solution is to make it universally more visible so nobody has too much trouble with it

Though your player does have glowing bits on it that they will always be able to see

[cyan pine]

this just means the maps are not well designed

night maps require you to think about stuff like this

[atomic veldt]

Not really anything to do with the maps

It’s to do with darkness

[cyan pine]

you know what I meant

no need to "not the maps but darkness"

[atomic veldt]

Using darkness to affect gameplay doesn’t work when some people can eliminate darkness, is my point

[cyan pine]

darkness is a part of the design of night maps

exactly

so you cannot just make day maps dark and expect them to work as night maps

[atomic veldt]

Do you know of any examples of games that make night maps fair while not basically removing the implications of night time?

[cyan pine]

the first one that comes to my mind is tehran highway from bf3

IIRC bf4 had night ops but I didn't play them much

[misty hollow]

Removing night from the random votes until it gets reworked and is fun to play should definitely be a priority to the dev team tbh, a bit sad i'm not even seeing it being acknowledged

[ashen portal]

Can we please just implement a ban system. I do not want to play the same map 2/3 games in a row at any point every. Any map, I don’t want to play it repeatedly, thanks.

[jagged hare]

So it's bad map design. It shouldn't depend on the monitor and if that's the case it's like the devs say "You have this and that monitor? Sucks to be you on night map!"

[severe hazel]

I like the idea that only specific night maps have night

[smoky sail]

pls revert the voting system 4 now until we have a better idea it is so frustrating and the player count is going down even more

[cyan pine]

this is just disingenuous the player count has been going down even with the old voting system, if anything the average count had a little increase after the voting changes

The idea is better than the old system, it's just implemented bad. Why do we have a lottery between all options? Why can't we vote for day or night in random map? Why does the system apply to game mode voting as well causing rush servers to die?

[low gull]

i want to grind my level back up to 200 after prestiging but night fucks that shit without mercy

[smoky sail]

the server hopping kills the game flow and even more when i play with a group of friends. I miss Q-ing for a server and staying in that server for like 4-5 games. I dont wanna play CTF tensatown

[misty hollow]

I'll say it again, but game was at its real peak when community servers dropped.
My largest complaint before was that there was only Conquest, and like 5 other servers with another gamemodes and they were dead.
The community servers dropped, people that wanted to play anything but conquest finally got their thing! Happy time.
But then somehow the idea of 50% night mode added in the random vote choice and that's just the stupidest idea ever.

And I would like to add, the lotery is I think, a good idea.
It just needs wome work, the 50% night chance is.. really, just need to remove that and all is good.
Either let people vote for random night (which in truth, will still make people leave if it's picked)
Or rework night to be a good thing. But then it's a larger problem altogether

[violet furnace]

The roulette system would be good if it didn’t force us on to night maps. The forced gamemode switch was also a mistake. These two issues are hiding the fact that the roulette system for maps is actually good.

[low gull]

i love playing azagor night where people can see me meanwhile i can't because they mod their graphics or yk throw out piles of money for some monitor

[jagged hare]

I feel you brother

[low gull]

ye especially the people that are like "gamma and contrast asjust i, you have issue skill 🤪"
i love 'em

[trail portal]

All of this. They’re so close to getting it right and then fumbled at the final ten yards

[jagged hare]

If night maps were fine we wouldn't need to change brightness or gamma or whatever xD

Instead when you say it sucks and can't see shit it's "skill isue" / "turn on NV" / "change brightness" / "skill issue"

[low gull]

and there are people that don't know how to do that, don't care to or can't
i despise such clownary with a burning passion, skill issue my ass

[misty hollow]

As an exemple, server was full the map just before, random-> night.
That's not as much as I was saying earlier, but still is a lot of players leaving the server (127v127)

[ashen portal]

I mean what was the night map though because valley makes sense to clear out since night is 100% bugged on valley

[misty hollow]

Waki

[stray granite]

this also could have very well been when people were still loading in from the previous round. its a total incomplete picture lol

[misty hollow]

I guess I should've posted the whole picture, but this was 1min after the game loaded for me, and I got a hdd and a i5 4690. Take that as you will!
In te end I just posted it to show that I was probably wrong on the % of players leaving a server whenever night happens

[fast fern]

The current voting for modes/maps is annoying. Nightmode is kinda nasty. I want to make my suggestion, which is unlikely to help. Configure servers for types of modes and for certain amount of players for example: conq/inf conq 127v127, domi/frontline 64v64. Without a possibility to become 127v127 from 64v64. I guess this should solve the problem when you can't find any domi or frontline servers, and you don't need to leave every match

[wheat nova]

Came back after a while of not playing. Don't have much playtime under the new map voting system but I'm already enjoying playing a lot of stuff that I never/rarely got to play before. Game is fun to play again and already want to keep hopping back in. At least now if its something I don't like I can go find a new server now that theres more chance of variety. Big W from the devs

[cunning flume]

Yea same tbh, I'd say I get maybe 1 map in 4-5 I really don't fancy playing, which is a huge improvement over the 1 in 2 that happened previously

I like night maps, I'd like them better if there was a way to not have other players cheese the brightness using gamma and shader options

I'm looking at you, snipers who can still operate at range with LR scopes seemingly without issue.

[olive cipher]

this shit should have been a hotfix

there is no fucking reason why players should have to wait for night maps to not be this common

the game's balance is worse than it has ever been, the least you can do is not make map voting dogshit

[hazy steeple]

Once again

I'ma point out the problem isn't the voting

It's that night maps suck (for a lot of people)

[olive cipher]

you're arguing semantics

map voting is dogshit right now because random selects night maps

and night maps are literally only fun if you up your brightness on your monitor settings

[hazy steeple]

That's not semantics lol

Map voting isn't shit, it's working as intended. Issue is the night maps are "shit" so now people have to deal with that

[olive cipher]

ooh it's not an issue with voting it's an issue with night maps!

[hazy steeple]

I like night maps btw, so idc

Voting has been great for me

[olive cipher]

poor taste can't be argued with

[hazy steeple]

That's what I'm saying see

So make the night maps better, suddenly there's no complaints about voting

Gotta attack the problem at the root, not the branches

[olive cipher]

that would take way too long. a hotfix to stop random selecting night maps, or to split random into random day/random night needs to happen now

[low gull]

fuck night
that's the take away now go do smth productive xd

[hazy steeple]

I would like random split like everything else personally

That way the 1% on night random (me) could win sometimes

The weighting does probably need some adjustment to feel more fun for everyone rather than the true random it seems to be now

[olive cipher]

it is actively insane how it has been a week since the last update

and voting is still like this

kill your own game any%

[hazy steeple]

I don't think it's that big a deal personally, but I'll admit I'm tired of the complaining, so I agree some bandaid fix could go out with the next update

[fast fern]

.

[hazy steeple]

Idk what that has to do with the voting system tbh

[frail oyster]

Its more connected to low player count

[hazy steeple]

I guess if they're only searching for domi on 64vs64 (the worst of the 3 player sizes map design wise imo) that makes sense

[frail oyster]

Even if you search for conq any size there's no more than 5-6 servers

[hazy steeple]

It'd be cool if the voting could be adjusted on community servers to be mode only

[hazy steeple]

Because the mode swaps all the time yea. I think it's because oki set the modes not to be able to repeat? Which wasn't liked by anyone lol

[frail oyster]

Some servers limited maps

[hazy steeple]

Modes definitely should pop back up for a runback, maps too

We've got the mighty WHEEL rng now, so it should fix itself

[maiden vapor]

Wheel you say? Something something Daenerys Targaryen.

[frail oyster]

I've had several occasions where I played the same map in a row couple time

Weight gets it and then random and then weight again

[hazy steeple]

Lol I think he only did it for game modes not maps weirdly enough

[frail oyster]

He should remove it from mode selection but leave it on map selection with toning down the night map chance or giving us a 2nd vote where we decide what time it is on that map

[hazy steeple]

I think a second vote on time would be better, but would lead to even more night maps probs

[weak cedar]

I have no idea why they implemented the no two modes in a row thing when it was pretty unanimously hated as an idea. Especially when they already have the lottery system for the maps made.

[hazy steeple]

Agree

[frail oyster]

Alas it's too late, they have no change revert policy

[hazy steeple]

Nah

Oki does listen

Hitmarkers were changed immediately

I love how they are now personally. He also listened to our dumb matio kart voting system ideas

So I don't see why he wouldn't listen to us about this at some point tbh

[weak cedar]

Hes probably just busy working on other stuff rn

[hazy steeple]

Challenges yooo

Finally, I can get out of the 150-200 level range

[frail oyster]

He keeps adding more broken stuff when he should take time to fix current broken stuff

[jagged hare]

I hate no two modes in a row. And I hate night maps. They suck. You're in pitch dark, you can't see anybody and yet they know exactly where you are and suddenly you are dead. How is this fun?

[weak cedar]

That has not been my experience with night maps

Maybe that is because of different monitor settings or something

[jagged hare]

Different monitor settings my ass. It shouldn't matter on monitor settings, this is a bullshit argument. If I increase brightness my eyes explode when a day map is picked. How is that a solution? So what, I need to increase gamma, contrast or brightness otherwise I'm dead? Or, as it was said yesterday, I need to buy better monitor, becasue "fuck you if you have this and that hardware"? Seriously? The only thing missing right now is "skill issue" or "turn NV on" crap instead of fixing what is broken.

[edgy shale]

dont forget losing all vision if you dare to turn on nv and someone throws a flare, especially if you increase brightness on your monitor

[jagged hare]

Oh god, don't even start with that. And when you play this game during night with minimal lights in your room... may god have mercy on your eyes.

[weak cedar]

Chill bro. I wasnt making an argument, i was making an observation.

[hazy steeple]

I like being able to not see at night personally

But, I like weird stuff, so

[jagged hare]

The problem is, you can't see enemies, but they can see you through some weird shenanigans. If everyone could play by the same rules I would be fine, but no, I can't see somebody, but he can see with perfection where I am

[hazy steeple]

I can see most enemies because of the red helmet lights, but it can be difficult to see. If you're on 127s it probably feels like everyone can see you and you can't see them because there's always someone actively looking for people on the sidelines (up in a building, on a hill, etc)

[jagged hare]

I wasn't up in a building. For example I am on a floor of a building and I'm looking at a certain direction. I can't see anybody... and yet a guy just arrived there and killed me in a second. How the fuck he saw me and I couldn't see him? How? It was dark AF and yet he knew EXACTLY where I was and where my head was. How? Answer me this.

[hazy steeple]

I do agree it sucks that people can just turn up the brightness and negate the seeing stuff, but honestly that ruins the fun of the maps for themselves too imo. Not sure how oki could fix that? Maybe add some filters or contrast stuff? Turning up the brightness is sort of an issue in every game with darkness tbh

So if there's a solution from a different game do mention it

[edgy shale]

ez solution add night and day to random, so people can choose what they want

[jagged hare]

Or how I am being sniped by AR's from god knows where even though I'm in a pitch dark area of the map? How? How can they see me from far away in dark as fuck place?

[weak cedar]

I wonder if night mode just makes it so that you get punished harder for bad positioning than day mode

[edgy shale]

which will never be night mode

[misty hollow]

There is in fact a very simple solution, it is making the night vision goggles actually useful

Or also, making maps specifically made for night mode

[steady sigil]

Me reading the 5047392001293757th conversation about night maps

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[weak cedar]

True, just make the NVGs turn your game into day mode. Easy fix

[hazy steeple]

Also, it's not pitch black on most might maps for me? Your gamma on your monitor should be around 2 ish i believe (use the monitor calibration tool windows has, nvidia control panel if you have it, etc). I do have a hard time seeing on some maps, but usually it's not like the worst thing. If you're in an open field though I'm going to see you for sure

[misty hollow]

There will be conversations until the devs acknowledge the problem or do something about it

[jagged hare]

Ah yes, the gamma argument...

[edgy shale]

we shouldnt have to go outside the game to fix night maps

[jagged hare]

Incrase the gamma, let the flare kill your eyes in real life, good luck

[weak cedar]

Feel free to not read the conversation about night maps if you do not want to :-)

[hazy steeple]

Your monitor SHOULD be calibrated though.

Just saying make sure it is if EVERYTHING is pitch black without nvgs on every night map

[edgy shale]

brother my monitor IS calibrated

[hazy steeple]

Nvgs should light up a bit more imo

[hazy steeple]

Didn't say it wasn't

[steady sigil]

Me reading the 101929387400th generic don’t read it if you don’t want to response

[misty hollow]

You implied it 🤡

[hazy steeple]

But it should be

[steady sigil]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-endgame-avengers-gone-ashes-gif-14019029

[hazy steeple]

No I implied @jagged hare had theirs not calibrated lol

Smh guys, at least know who I'm throwing bad arguments at

Joking aside, night maps need adjustment. Random should let you vote on ToD or be removed

That's pretty much a consensus atm

[jagged hare]

My settings are fine. And if I increase gamma my eyes die on day map.

Or when a flare lands near me.

[hazy steeple]

You'd want to adjust your monitor's backlight there (if possible) so white's don't eliminate your vision

Or the brightness (which is not gamma)

[weak cedar]

Im pretty sure the whole point of flares is to destroy your eyes

[hazy steeple]

Monitors are all wacky tbh

[misty hollow]

Nah but changing a part of your gaming set up just because of 1 gamemode that is horrendously created and balanced 💀

Don't need to read more from you homie lost

[jagged hare]

In that case I prefer to quit the server and look for a different map... or a game where I don't need to change everything for 20 / 30 minutes

[hazy steeple]

To be clear, I'm not saying he needs to change his monitor to enjoy the game mode. I'm just saying make sure it's all set up properly in general.

For like anything on your computer.

I get really fickle about my monitor's brightness settings lol. It sucks not being able to see when you're supposed to be able to. Issue with night maps is they're not dark enough to imply you shouldn't be able to see at all, but not bright enough to generally see without the bad nvgs.

[jagged hare]

I don't have problems with others games, only with this one and one game mode. So what does that say about my settings?

[hazy steeple]

Probably fine then, which is good!

[weak cedar]

What does it say about your settings if other people are not having the same issues as you?

[jagged hare]

In that case the issue lies in the night maps, problem solved or rather problem identified

[jagged hare]

I know! I should buy a better monitor or something! That should fix it, right? Right?

[hazy steeple]

I mean, that's what I've been saying. What the actual problem with night maps is is a different issue between people.

I can see mostly fine, others can't. But what is "seeing"?

Flares don't burn out my retina, but they do for others.

There's just a lot of problems that are hard to identify because people are having different experiences across the night maps. Different night maps have different brightness levels too

[misty hollow]

Are these other people in this room?

[hazy steeple]

But we can all agree there IS a problem lol

[weak cedar]

yes

[misty hollow]

I will say that domination isle night is good tho, can see quite well in it

[edgy shale]

if all night maps were like that I wouldnt complain as much

[hazy steeple]

I prefer the more "true night" kind of night where it's just pitch black lol. Gimme some of that. Make me forced to use the flashlight and stuff. Gimme street lamps to shoot out. Splinter cell shit. And also gimme a nice sunset map from time to time.

I still think variable times of day would be sick as fuck. 90% of the time you can see fine, but every once in a while you get that pitch black night time

But that one is a pipe dream

[edgy shale]

ngl that sounds like hell

[hazy steeple]

I think it's cool. But it's different for different people

Tldr: night bad need fix. Voting random should be removed or adjusted to include time of day.

[warped solar]

Please fucking remove night maps until they are less dogshit they are literally the only thing that gets played cause random always wins and then it chooses some shit map + night mode combo

[olive cipher]

^

[ashen portal]

Did anyone else get excited when they saw Eduardo in game updates hoping to see it was removed from the game entirely, only to be disappointed

[ashen portal]

PLEASE waki/basra/waki/salhan/basra was my last 5 maps. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE add a fucking god damn maps played ban pool. FFS. I do not want to play map_1/map_2/map_1 at any point ever. PLEASE.

[real wraith]

please remove either the wheel or the random vote because both being a thing feels real bad

[vale rose]

I think I said something about making the voting system feel like gambling would have a negative effect (My point being here people don't like when they lose at gambling, doesn't make them feel good when they don't get what they want.. ) , didn't even hide that fact that it is a gamble by adding the roulette effect for what ever reason.. (To drive it home that their choice is out of their hands) the system is fair but it also can be played, just a little influence can push the favor toward day or night some suggest that adding a day and night vote on the random will help in some way but this is false as you can still increase the odd of a night by placing your vote correctly, if there were more times of days then the system would work the way they want it too but it's only day, or night.. not noon, sun-rise, midnight.. if you add all that then you might as well remove the day and night vote entirely and just add a day night cycle to the game

[real wraith]

night maps feel like its own problem that just gets worse when its picked randomly and the majority dont want it

[high drift]

Random should just have an Day/Night majority vote, like all other 4 options. And Random shouldn't include the pool of maps that are already present for voting.
Other than that its fine.

[limber light]

The map voting is fucking awful. The game is hemoraging players in mass because no one want to play fucking nightmaps or a 10% vote for Azargor for 40 minutes (server in OCE are not even full anymore). Stop with the monkey shit and revert it immediately.

[cyan pine]

Damn bro even hit the self react 💀

But yea I agree the lottery should be limited to maps and it should be between top 3 voted, also day night voting should be made available to random or it should be another vote after the map voting is done

[low gull]

i'm getting flashbacks at that self react...
but yes frick the map roulette
it sucks, primarely because night sucks
i like getting to play more than just sandy, waki, basra tho
eduardovu, dusty and azagor are pretty underrated imo
dusty feels great on conquest and azagor is just 🔥

[hazy steeple]

Just saying, I played a bunch yesterday and only got night once. So idk what all the complaining is about with that lol

True random be wildin

[low gull]

i wouldn't even care but we got night in the random rotation and night sucks big doo doo

[severe hazel]

Your so lucky 😭😭😭

Joined 4 servers in a row, all night

[frail oyster]

9/10 maps form random are night and 9/10 the random gets picked

[hazy steeple]

I feel like it's just a skill issue tbh

[low gull]

ah yes being fucking blind with nvgs while everyone else seems to have no problem even without them is a skill issue
and yes my monitor has its standard settings, and yes it works in other dark games thx for asking, couldn't have finished metro if it was like that, played on low brightness btw...

[atomic veldt]

Yeah the disparity in monitors for dealing with darkness is unfair no matter how you put it. Obviously skill is always a factor in some way, but it is never an excuse for an issue with the game

[weak cedar]

ah yes being fucking blind with nvgs while everyone else seems to have no problem even without them is a skill issue
That would be the definition of a skill issue, yes.

[misty hollow]

Random is good so we don't always get the same maps all the time.
Plus the lottery actually gives % on the number of votes!

Bad stuff is the random gamemode after each match ends, and the random having a chance of night instead of either voting night or day random.

And y'all need to fuck off with night being a skill issue, I have no chance the gamma in a game in absolutely no other games than battlebit. Even in baldur's gate 3 that has some pretty dark places here and there I never had to change anything.
why would I need to recalibrate my monitor for battlebit xd

[real wraith]

i would like the random vote on its own and i would like the roulette on its own but both together is just absolute shit imo

[warped solar]

Random is no longer needed now that we have lottery

Random just causes more problems then it solves rn

cause it always gets chosen

and then it picks night\

so either

remove random

allow us to vote for time of day even when random wins

or just make night maps less dogshit

so people actually want to play them

[hazy steeple]

no - like, your luck is a skill issue lol

idc if you're blind or somethin'

Just be luckier to avoid the night maps like me smh

You've simply gotta want the night maps to avoid them

Also idk why y'all focus on the monitor settings thing I mentioned ot the one guy once. I wasn't saying everyone needs to adjust their monitors to see better. If your stuff is fine for like 90% of games it's probably fine for battlebit. Was just saying if you literally can't see you may want to check your settings a bit because most of the night maps aren't like pitch black.

[warped solar]

yes they are

[hazy steeple]

You may want to check your settings then mango lol

To be clear, I'm not saying I see perfectly. I'm just saying I can like navigate around in most spots without NVGs. It's not like I'm seeing like normal. People do blend in to walls and such (which is how it's supposed to be).

I believe in lonovo I can see pretty decently. Isle I remember I had a harder time seeing enemies personally.

[warped solar]

im not changing my gamma to 100000 for 1 game

Stop trying to defend night

Its shitty\

[hazy steeple]

I'm not defending night by saying it shouldn't look 100% pitch black for you lol

I think night maps need to be improved, and the random voting and such should be adjusted/removed since we've got the roulette now.

[warped solar]

"u can see without nvgs"

yeah fucking right

mind telling me whats happening in this image?

[hazy steeple]

Yea I can see lol

[warped solar]

ok what is that then

[hazy steeple]

You're aiming at a wall, bunch of bushes on the left. May be able to jump up the slope slightly to the right of your reticle

Well there's like a tree with bushes on the left, but you get my point

I can tell the difference between the ground and the walls

[warped solar]

How the fuck is that helpful

[hazy steeple]

???

There's no enemies as far as I can see? Like I said, it's not like I can see 100% perfect, but I can tell the terrain appart on most night maps. Peeps blend in and such

If the image you sent is pitch black and you can't tell where walls are, trees are, etc, you need to up your gamma more than likely.

Like I said, not trying to defend night maps design wise, but it shouldn't literally be unplayable without nvgs at all times

There are calibration websites and one built into windows you can use to get your brightness, contrast, etc just right for 90% of things. Oh, none of my advice here applies to HDR. You're on your own if you have that shit on lol

[cyan pine]

night is just straight up bad

[cyan pine]

like this thing is just... wrong.

[hazy steeple]

🤷

[ashen portal]

What an idiot lol. Clan checks out

[cyan pine]

just to be clear I'm talking about the map design being wrong not mango

[hazy steeple]

🤷

[low gull]

there was a circus about that in the battlebit eng channel
skill issue my ass
"just have more money/better hardware/certain software"
the epitomy of

[hazy steeple]

🤷‍♂️

Sounds like an irl skill issue

[low gull]

my guy, every fucking light is on
nothing...
every light is off (in my room)
nothing...
i can't do anything about it
meanwhile i have no problem with dark games
how did i finish metro then with the brightness setting on the lower third?
all 3 games btw
go outside if you really think monitor (settings) are the the skill issue of others
or yk stop trolling and realize there's no ground to base your "arguments" on and that you're as plainly false as it gets

[cyan pine]

bro really just said "skill issue" to low visibility

imagine justifying bad design with such arguments

[low gull]

what do you expect of a clown?

i mean if you told me i'm bad at tf|2 then yeah, you're right
cuz i didn't play for a while
i did manage like a 2 k/d with the stiffy on pvp glitch
but i stopped for like 5 months or smth...
anyways bad visibility for some and good visibility for others aren't exactly equal terms, neither are they dismissable with "shcile itsshueee 🤓"

[stable oar]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/975895959127085096/1156338593367855124/Replay_2023-09-26_22-05-28.mp4?ex=6515ed3c&is=65149bbc&hm=ac25f630ee1025844007bcaf6bb4ef2bed884c0c62a9b3b9bf069aace1f0eee7&

Remove night valley ffs

Fog of war

Half of the server left

[low gull]

everywhere else it's darkness of war, not better

[stable oar]

This night valley hasn't been touched since the map released

You can see more without nv

[low gull]

on salhan, azagor and probaly a few others you can't see anything, not without nvgs and not with them 10/10 mode

[frail oyster]

Is that the only thing you have left to say or got something else useful clown?

[frail oyster]

Since night maps became prevalent I dedicated myself to tank/APC hunting and every single game its always someone crying to mass report me

[stable oar]

Based

[frail oyster]

At this point it's spec ops milsim just crouch walking everywhere sneaking up to vehicles and their flir snipers

[tight yew]

Don't think your randomizer system works my dudes. The highest weighted percentage vote literally NEVER wins.... statistically impossible

[frail oyster]

" higher percentage doesn't mean it'll get picked it means it just has a higher chance of getting picked"

[tight yew]

I understand how statistics work, and what I'm telling you is I've never seen the highest voted map get selected by the randomizer. Maps getting 10% of the vote over maps getting 40% and winning, should not ALWAYS happen...and it does

[frail oyster]

Oh don't worry I wasn't trying to be toxic I was just quoting certain other clown

[jagged hare]

I can't see anything

[jagged hare]

I also like when someone uses the argument about getting a better monitor or messed up settings even though in other games everything is ok.

[grave remnant]

We never get the map we want or game mode we want to stick to anymore Take out this 'random' choice and allow us to play in an enjoyable manner instead of cramming 256 players into a small/medium map.

[ashen portal]

“You” never get the game mode or map you wanted* FTFY

[grave remnant]

Incorrect, the map and game mode with minority vote gets picked all to often. We cant even keep a server to one gamemode anymore. Shanks the flow man.

@ashen portal

I hardly even vote to begin with, so why would I be a viriable in this?

[hazy steeple]

🤷‍♂️

[hazy steeple]

No no no, irl skill issue because he was saying people said he didn't have more money/better hardware/better software

Idc that he's blind too

[hazy steeple]

Yea, i CAN see in that image. And my gamma isn't like weirdly higher or anything like that. It would be great if the darkness could be more normalized for everyone.

[hazy steeple]

We'd need statistics on this. Hopefully we can get some reddit detective like that one guy who got a bunch of data on guns for the map voting.

See if it really is biased

[jagged hare]

And I can't see anything. Now go on and defend this crappy design as skill issue as some people do. And no, I'm not going to buy a new monitor for one shitty version of maps.

[jagged hare]

And don't pretend you didn't used the argument of skill issue because you did

[hazy steeple]

Since you and @low gull can't seem to read, lemme restate it again for you.

You shouldn't have to change your monitor settings to have the same experience as others

But, I can see. So get fucked I guess

Also the irl skill issue was a joke, as I just explained

I can see in mangos screenshot, my gamma ain't wild (calibrated purposefully to the standard stuff on windows). Was just saying if you can't see at all maybe changing up your settings could help. It's just a workaround man. The devs should fix it, no one has ever argued they shouldn't.

Night maps are a problem. They're an inconsistent experience for everyone playing on them. Plus the flares can trigger epilepsy in people and such (which sucks). More accessibility settings are needed. And a massive night map redesign is needed.

But I like playing on them still currently because I can see at least. So if you want to have a slightly better experience, that may be a way to do it for the moment, until they get fixed

Tldr: skill issue tbh

[jagged hare]

Instead of getting fucked I prefer to fuck this game until we will have day / night voting or night maps fixed in general. Right now I will check it out maybe once a week to see if something changed.

[hazy steeple]

The voting does need to be adjusted. I think random could probably be taken away at the moment.

I'm glad we've circled back around to the concensus lol

[low gull]

[ashen portal]

I still feel strongly that the devs just need to hide or spoof the voting UI. The map selection has been 👌 since the last update (aside from valley night being in the map pool). All they need to do to stop the complaints is hide or spoof the vote at this point.

[smoky sail]

pls revert the voting system devs

[misty hollow]

That's honestly a defendable argument

[solemn shell]

I'd rather have no lottery and keep the random option

[real wraith]

i'd also prefer no roulette and keep random but either going away would be good for me at this point

[low crypt]

After playing longer on the new voting system, I'm a fan. Keep it. It's great. Makes for an interesting and diverse rotation. 👍

[scenic cedar]

So random needs to win a majority of votes instead of only a handful to activate. At times it feels like 1 vote triggers it to go random.

[stray granite]

... because, statistically, sometimes 1 vote will be enough to make it random. And random always gets a helluva lot more than 1 vote in my experience. Literally always

@real wraith "Im fine either way at this point"; someone says one way; "BAN!"
ngl that made me snort-laugh

[scenic cedar]

I agree but hopefully you get the point I'm trying to make. Random doesn't have to take majority and it goes through and randomizes the map.

[stray granite]

But thats not something that only applies to random. the same applies to all 5 vote choices. People in this thread just like to conveniently ignore that random often gets a large share of the votes

People no longer afk-vote for random. Thats something they have to actively choose now. Its pretty clear a large, consisten portion of the playerbase likes random. The portion of unknown-at-this-time size that dont like random are just way louder about it

its the same concept that makes public relations on online forums a pretty flawed concept in general; if someone is satisfied with their product, theyre way less likely to go and tell people about their satisfaction than someone who is dissatisfied about the product telling people about their dissatisfaction. Its a large skew that often makes shit look way worse than it is. For example; If I order a $500 dollar monitor online and it arrives working just fine, thats to be expected. Im not going to immediately go tell everyone that my product arrived not broken. But if it does arrive broken, I will immediately and very aggressively complain about it, because that should not happen

[real wraith]

@stray granite they said they liked it as is, but yeah i was just trying to be funny

and i would be fine if random gets picked and the majority want it but i just dont like rouletting into random 🤷‍♂️

[atomic veldt]

the majority never want any option

at least as far as the data available can tell us

[stray granite]

aye. in my experience, with the new system even 45% for a single option is quite rare, and thats not even a full majority. current system is pretty much the best option for how opinioned the playerbase is in general when it comes to maps. the prevalence of votes usually being between multiple 25-30% and a few 15% picks is proof enough of that

[real wraith]

then keep the roulette, but there is no need for the possibility of two instances of randomness

[atomic veldt]

Possibility of two instances?

What do you mean by this

[frail oyster]

He means roulette and random at the same time are redundant @atomic veldt nonce

[jagged hare]

So, any word about changing the night maps or something?

[trail portal]

“I’ll check in like once a week to see if it changes”
comes back next day expecting change

I get it though, night maps do suck ass, but no, nothing has yet changed

[frail oyster]

@trail portal only night maps that are indeed playable are frugis night and maybe isle night cus it's just too damn beautiful to exclude out of rotation

[olive cipher]

namak night is pretty playable too

well, as playable as namak can be, anyway

[jagged hare]

I meant that I will run the game once a week and see if something changed. I just wanted to know if the devs are even going to do something about it or not.

[fast fern]

this game needs only map voting, not a mode. night mode should be removed as well. still waiting for a couple official 64 64 domination only servers

[severe hazel]

Y’all are dumb

The only fix to this :

Mending 1

[vale rose]

True.

[misty hollow]

Mending 2 kinda better tho

[severe hazel]

Disagree. I think luck of the sea would actually be more appropriate for this topic

[steep mango]

It is imperative to put back the old map voting system
The current one is no longer useful since everything is based on randomness so it is no longer a vote so it is no longer useful, either it is random or you have to vote

[atomic veldt]

Your vote is useful 100% of the time now. In the past it was only useful if you voted for a specific option.

You have a fixed and fair chance to be the deciding vote no matter what option you pick with the current system

Beforehand, pretty much the only way to individually make a difference to the outcome was to vote for the second most popular option. Which is dumb.

[steep mango]

So why is the choice made randomly ? Why is a map that has the most votes not chosen but it is a map that has fewer votes ? (not often (un)fortunately)

How is choosing a map with the fewest votes fair ?

[atomic veldt]

Because the chance that a map wins is proportional to the amount of people who vote for it

[atomic veldt]

Because it happens in a minority of cases.

In theory, if we removed the random option, and allowed players to choose from every map in the voting pool rather than just 4 options, the distribution maps we would get would perfectly represent how often the players wanted to play them

The main counterargument to this is that players would rather have instant gratification (most players prefer the most popular opinions) than be aware that eventually any bad luck will balance out.

[cyan pine]

players are just unaware

I think someone else posted a vid of one of the cs devs talking about how they fooled the players by just making the ping display show 50 less ping

The lowest vote winning, no matter how unlikely, will always make players mad

[severe hazel]

I swear it doesn’t tho 😭

[atomic veldt]

Confirmation bias, methinks

[severe hazel]

Confused,me is

[stray granite]

people in this thread also, for some reason, refuse to even entertain the notion that people are actively fucking voting for random. Its not an AFK vote anymore. people have to click that god damn button. And a lot of people do. often. people need to stop dismissing that fact purely because its inconvenient for their agenda against random

random wouldnt consistently get 15%, 20%, 30% of votes if people didnt consistently vote for it. taking that vote option away purely because some people dont like it would be no different from taking salhan out of the option rotation purely because some people dont like it.

people like random. A) lots of people are scarred from when there was piss-poor map variety due to the pure-popular vote system, B) EVERY SINGLE COD AND BF FROM YOUR CHILDHOOD DID RANDOM MAPS WITHOUT EVEN GIVING YOU A VOTE. STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT IT ONLY NOW

[steep mango]

It's not a problem whether people vote randomly or not, the problem, which obviously isn't one, is to vote for map and that the one with the most votes is not necessarily chosen.

[stray granite]

that is a problem, but only because theres a fundamental lack of understanding among the playerbase about how the current system works, and an almost complete lack of explaining/clarification from Oki

rather, that is the problem in and of itself. the players dont know what the current system is doing when it starts flicking between levels (many think its just full-random at that point), and Oki has yet to clarify it

[ashen portal]

I’ll say it over and over again until it implemented. Remove the fucking UI for the random vote. These people are never going to understand a weighted system. Just stop showing it to then

Or again, spoof the UI so that it always shows the winning map with highest votes. Don’t show vote count at all

Problem solved

Then bask in glory as the player base sings your praise. “ omg too vote wins every time this is amazing” but it won’t be waki/Basra every game.

Then most importantly inplement the map queue system so I’m never played the same every 3rd map. Then we have the perfect system

[jagged hare]

And force people into night maps without fixing them. Truly a brilliant idea

[low gull]

night maps are just pure aids

[jagged hare]

Oh come on, let's just lie to people and force them to play night maps. What could possibly go wrong?

[fast fern]

Because of the voting, it is impossible to find domination or a frontline on official servers, people are forced to play on community servers, it would seem that this is the solution, but community servers have terrible hit registration, and the game turns into airsoft. When, after all, random voting gives domination on the official server, it feels like two different games, the kills getting as they should, you rarely die behind the walls in one word - you enjoy. I want to suggest making voting only for maps, so that you can always find your favorite mode

[warped solar]

maps that have just been played shouldnt be included in the pool

[stray granite]

100%. frugis-frugis sucks because frugis is a shitshow, but generally any map repeated after itself is not super fun

[warped solar]

maps that have been recently played shouldnt be in the pool for the next 2 or 3 games honestky

[hazy steeple]

Defo agree. We were all saying "what" when they did that for game modes but not maps

Should 100% be reversed

[stray granite]

i also agree there. phantom forces, the only other FPS game i can think of that lets players vote on maps (i still think its a bad concept in general lol), has also had the issue where maps dont get removed from the pool except for the immediately-following round, and it also has a problem with sometimes going back to the same map over and over again (tho it also still has a pure-popular vote). its always been a problem in PF, and has never been addressed, and hey whaddya know; BBR, the only other game I can think of with player map-voting per round also has an issue with maps getting repeated in very short succession, even with this new system on occasion.

[hazy steeple]

Older games had a lot of map voting

But I don't remember this being a major issue because I think they did remove stuff from the pool

[stray granite]

define "older". im a black ops 1 kid and I dont remember voting for maps in BO. you just moved from one map to the random-next without complaint

and BO is definitely way up there in age nowadays

fuck me that was 13 years ago. i hate that

[cyan pine]

While I agree with everything you said the difference between those games and bbr is that those games generally had good maps. In bbr the average map quality is just not it. As someone else said in the subreddit "The game has no maps that I'm excited to play but it has a bunch of maps I don't want to play". Also night maps are horribly designed because they were not designed as night maps to begin with. So this just ends up making random frustrating.

[stray granite]

fair nuff. cant argue that lol

[misty hollow]

All my homies hate night mode

[magic pagoda]

Make it so that the same map doesn't appear in the vote system after a game, make it a choice between like 6 different maps, choose night or day, remove random
In clear, go back to old voting system but keep the wheel to influence odds having the most voted map

[atomic veldt]

That would be an improvement

[inner plaza]

Can you guys please get rid of the map voting system with random? I now have to spend so much time searching through server browser, loading into and leaving games because of the random voting system. It has turned this game into a hop on and get right into a game into an arduous process just to be able to enjoy myself. I often find myself disconnecting from servers now and not wanting the hassle of having to search for a new server so I'll just play a different game instead. You need to get rid of night being so heavily weighted in the random vote or even better get rid of the random option alltogether. Absolutely killed the fun experience of your game with the new voting system.

I don't understand why you are trying to add more stuff into the game to make it better when you basically ruined the core experience of having such an easy streamlined way to get into fun matches as explained above.

Watched a server get coinflipped into a random night map and it went from a full 127 v 127 down to about 80 people per team. Its insane that this isn't being changed as it ruins the game

[ashen portal]

Found the waki/Basra only player.

[inner plaza]

Its embarrassing for you that that's the only take-away you got from that. This is a feedback channel by the way in case you didn't notice.

[weak cedar]

Its kinda crazy how many people seem to think the entire voting system needs to be thrown out because night maps are over represented. Instead of just fixing night maps being picked too much.

[hazy steeple]

@mossy mirage we probably need a night map feedback thread to contain concentrate all the feedback in one place.

Would also prevent good map vote adjustment ideas from getting drowned out, etc

[fluid plaza]

i feel the fact that if a random map is picked, the probability of it being 50/50 night or day isnt really enjoyable, most of the time if its night around 1/4 of the players quit the match

[olive cipher]

let's fucking gooooo

no more random night maps

[misty hollow]

Took em long enough, but I am happy and shall now leave the feedback channel as there is not really anything i am annoyed with

[twilit geyser]

Good news 👍

[maiden stream]

I’m fine with not voting same maps over and over but if we want to spam rush on 32s without changing servers every game we should be able to. It’s so hard to even find a 32v32 game now 😢

[mint magnet]

Why people hate night maps?

[stray granite]

because theyre very inconsistent in quality from map to map. some are okay while others are almost entirely unplayable. i love night usually, but i cannot STAND valley night

[mint magnet]

In my case I was very happy with the new random system. I love night maps and the random option gave me an option to play something that wasn't exclusively lonovo night.

So sad they changed it, maybe 50% was too much, but definitely it added variety in this game

[stray granite]

yeah. now night maps have been pretty much removed from the game outright

totally throwing one portion of the playerbase to the wolves imo

[mint magnet]

And okay, there were people who left when a random night map came out but there were still a majority of players that keeps playing it

[mint magnet]

Yeah, we have gone from Lonovo as the only night map playable in the game, to get a nicely random chance of playing every map at night to cero night maps?

[stray granite]

ye. but i suppose at the end of the day random being 50% chance for night was too much but i think 0% chance is too far in the other direction

[mint magnet]

😦

50% was too much, I can agree

[low gull]

people don't like night cuz they can't see, not with nvgs not with anything
and then there are some funks who modifiy their monitor settings to still see, no way people despise night 🤷

[stray granite]

yeah its... an ambitious thing to try to add to a video game

[gritty shoal]

My suggestions to make map voting close to perfect: Remove the restriction on back to back game modes. Add a random mode button. Only count actual votes for random. Keep the Mario Kart weighted probability system for both modes and maps. Give 4 options + 1 random option for mode and map

[stray granite]

"only count actual votes for random" wdym by this

it already does this

[weak cedar]

I feel like I’m gonna be screaming into the void here, but people are still gonna freak out about night even with the random changes. Because maps that received less of the vote can still win, it will be a lot easier for night to win the majority when they get picked.

[livid urchin]

Just stopping by to lmao at the "y r u complaining about night its random hurrdurr" bros

May your feedback be forever ignored

[low gull]

can no longer see on day maps either cuz max settings are supposed to fuck you over i guess 💯

[stray granite]

wdym

[low gull]

the color/brightness settings does some goofy stuff with the post processing

[stray granite]

show mes. im not fuckin with my video settings, im too busy being lazy

[misty hollow]

1%

[olive cipher]

probably even less

[limber light]

You don't seem to apreciate how fucked the game is with the current map voting. Your own game is hemoraging players because of now repeated map votes and fucking azagor getting a win with 5% votes. No one wants to play that shit because NO ONE VOTED FOR IT. If we want to play night maps WE WILL VOTE FOR NIGHT MAPS.

[hazy steeple]

Now we get people complaining about things with 5% winning from time to time 😎

[misty hollow]

And then you will get Waki-Sandy-Basra-Valley 99% of the time, happy?
And no night maps ever

[limber light]

Yes that would make me happy. If I want to play night maps I will join a server that runs nightmaps. If they can't customize their map rotation then that is the sign of a lackluster game.

[misty hollow]

I'm flabbergasted by this reply

[limber light]

Being able to customize your server the most basic feature imaginable. To my knowledge you can't as of yet which leads to no one being happy with the current map voting system.

[stray granite]

1% > 0%. I'd take it without complaint. I'm not a greedy fucker lol

[ashen portal]

found another Basra/Waki enjoyer

slazen go play a different game. You won't be missed

[low gull]

i like the map voting without night
only thing bothering me is there are some maps that just aren't 'nuff said map vote cool

[scenic cedar]

why not put the maps on a random rotation? zero influence from us no whining and dont have to worry about leaving bad reviews cause only wakistan gets played blah blah blah

[hazy steeple]

I think servers can do that already. I like the map vote. Makes the post game like a fun little game

[scenic cedar]

So set to random and on a rotation we play everything. Not just a handful of 3 different maps

[hazy steeple]

No, I must be able to gamble to fuel my addiction

[severe hazel]

hobby

[hazy steeple]

Idk what this means 😭

[severe hazel]

its not ever an adiction it a ** hobby **

[ashen portal]

what shadow change was done to the voting system this release? Ive played Waki like 5-6 times today

[ashen portal]

and 2 more wakistans, 1 more isle, and 1 more basra. I think they took my advice and spoofed the UI results lol. But instead of spoofing and using the lottery, they spoofed the lottery and are grabbing most voted.

[hazy steeple]

It might be weighted differently, or you're just getting "lucky"

[stray granite]

not the kind of lucky you wanna get, tho

[hazy steeple]

For you

[ashen portal]

nah they def made changes. The roulette also doesn't display properly with the sound anymore

[hazy steeple]

Oof

Unplayable

Well, if everyone on the discord is shutting up about the changes now, I think it worked lol

[atomic veldt]

nah that did not happen to me

at least it does not seem so

[trail portal]

This would legit make me quit playing again 😂

[ashen portal]

My maps since I said that this morning:
Basra
Wakistan
Tensa
Wakistan
Zalfi
Isle
Sandy
Isle
Zalfi
Basra

seems sus

[stray granite]

hm

heres my theory; sKiLl IsSue

youre doing a poor job of caving in the IRL skulls of people who dont vote for the same map you vote for

(yeah i have noticed less map variety in the last couple of days. tho not much less, and i havent been playing a whole lot over the weekend so my data spread isnt very large)

[hazy steeple]

Just vote better

[ashen portal]

Just saying it's a lil sus. I'll give it another day or two before I start freaking the fuck out from Wakistan/Basra/Sandy spam

probably just unlucky but it's weird that the roulette sound/visual is off now

[hazy steeple]

Report it as a bug if you can. Might be one

[ashen portal]

Notice it clicks one more time after staying on Zalfi*

[atomic veldt]

this clip shows absolutely nothing out of the ordinary

Basra isn’t even there, do you mean zalfi?

It can reshuffle onto the same option multiple times

Otherwise it wouldn’t be fair

[ashen portal]

Ah that makes sense

[atomic veldt]

So it will sometimes linger on the same option, more likely to do so for longer the more popular the option is

[ashen portal]

weird though I had never noticed it before this release

[livid urchin]

Pretty sure that didn't happen previously. I reported it in the bugs channel that not allowing the selector to stay on the same option would bias the voting away from the nominal percentages so presumably that got fixed.

That should have the effect of actually making the popular maps come up more often than before which would explain the reduced variety.

[hazy steeple]

I shuffles through like it does in like mario kart as far as I know

I think it's purely visual

game 100% has already picked what it'll land on before the animation even plays imo

[brisk basin]

Apperently 5% of the people voted for it

also
Currently
Weight voting ; I feel it should have a little tooltip of sorts somewhere on screen of your vote adds to the likelyhood of the option being selected

[hazy steeple]

I really don't think map voting is what is making the game have less players

I think most people are just waiting for more content

[brisk basin]

more content

other issues like squad spawns I suppose

[hazy steeple]

I love the weighted voting for maps and modes. It's just I don't like not having the option to repeat gamemodes

I don't think squad spawns are actually an issue

It's the exact same as battlefield, and that game is popular

In terms of how people want it to be, as in more tactical or slower, then yea it's an issue. Player count wise, no it's not

[brisk basin]

not exact same

[hazy steeple]

BF4 specifically, idk if they've changed it since then

[brisk basin]

more squad members (4 vs 8-12)

[hazy steeple]

You know, I'll give you that, that's true.

[brisk basin]

and unsure on BF4 but I know BF1 didn't allow spawning mid combat

[hazy steeple]

BF4 didn't, and this game doesn't either

[brisk basin]

doesn't feel like it at times

had a guy literally spawn in my face mid gun fight

[hazy steeple]

If you're close to an enemy, it won't let you spawn. If you get shot it won't let you spawn in for a bit.

So sometimes you can roll up on someone just far enough away and they get spawned on before you start shootin' them

[brisk basin]

but either way

[hazy steeple]

Or maybe you're both missing and suppression doesn't affect it

Not saying that's good btw, just saying I think that's how it is

[brisk basin]

The 8-12 members is 2x-3x the amount that people can spawn on

and I have seen at least one guy go I am not playing til it gets changed

[hazy steeple]

I think in 127s that's fine actually. But in 64s I think it could be taken back down to 4

and 32s

[hazy steeple]

I'm sure the one guy is somewhere in this server. There's a person who has "quit the game" for every mechanic in this damn game tbh. I wasn't playing because of the blue filter thing out of laziness lol

To get back to map voting tho

They just need to make it so game modes can repeat

For map repeating, make it another weighted system where the maps that have been played recently have a lesser chance of appearing but not 0

every time a map is played it'll appear less for a bit

Game mode wise keep it how it is, but let the modes be played again if they want. The RNG will take care of variety on its own naturally

The only other change I'd make is make the roulette less true random, and more fixed random like RPG loot chances

As in, 52% isn't actually 52

it's a little higher

and 12% is a little lower

TLDR: the system just needs adjustment and I think it'll feel better and be A-OK for most people.

I love the variety of maps personally. I think people that want to just play on Waki all day are valid too, so there can be servers for 24/7 maps or with majority voting

[tulip crag]

Yes, they are exactly the same, BUT player count is 2 to 4 times bigger, and playable area also is much bigger, like 2 times at least.
Current system isn't bad, for 32v32, but it just doesn't work on 127v127, and 64v64 too.
It just has too many downsides

[hazy steeple]

I think it's the opposite?

It seems like it works best on 127s (8 person squads), but the clown car is really an issue on smaller modes

Maybe I'm off base on that though, tbh the spawn system has never bothered me. People suddenly appearing has always been a thing in BF, and accounting for someone trying to spawn their squad in is just ingrained into me. When I fight people in this game I never see like 8 people spawn at once tbh

Maybe like 1-3 max, but that's rare

Doesn't mean it's not a problem, I just don't run into it much tbh

[mighty spire]

NAMAK 24/7 server and Night 24/7 server fix all problem.

[weak cedar]

Namak/Frugist 24/7 Night 24/7 Frontline 24/7

[hazy steeple]

I feel like 24/7 servers are like fiefdoms lol

[stray granite]

Because they're the only ones worth sticking with in the long term. Going from conquest to fucking CTF is major whiplash

[hazy steeple]

Hopefully forced mode swapping gets removed. Should be able to vote on the same mode if we want to

[stray granite]

aye. to me, its so weird for things to be done this way around. In basically every CoD from my childhood, id pick the gamemode (literally just one game mode usually), and then play without having any input on the map for each round

[livid urchin]

Right? It's like 2 whole minutes of downtime between voting, loading and prematch monkey screaming

[hazy steeple]

Like for context

The second that change was announced everyone asking for the roulette was like "OKI NOOOOO"

[hazy steeple]

In halo reach you did have input