Medic - Feedback

[pliant bronze]

yeah isntead of giving all class increase bandages make it so they have a choice for more utility or more survival

[brave spruce]

I tested it on other classes and it is bugged for them too :O

[delicate rune]

We did it boys

[vital pivot]

Honestly this change + giving it the ranger vest is making assault the primary flanker/ egopush class now

(which it should be)

But medic being able to heal fast with medkit is still strong, so that's great

[midnight fulcrum]

It's not a consistent bug in my experience. Some games, bandages will actually drop; others, they just vanish.

[scarlet skiff]

should be getting fixed before the patch pretty sure oki's seen it in bug reports

[mint linden]

I don’t understand why people think that adding the ability for every class to heal themselves with a bandage for 40hp is a good idea. While buffing the other classes compared to the medic will make people more likely to play the other classes, the medic will still be way more survivable in a fight than the classes due the limited bandages. All this update will do is degrade the class system by making every class play the same, which disincentivizes squad play. Why play as a diversified squad when you can rush the enemy alone and survive? The better option would to have just limited the medic to self-heal up to 60% of their original hp so that they couldn’t keep running in and out of fights.

[kindred flame]

because it's a good idea, especially compared to the idea you just brought up lol

[mint linden]

Tell me why? Exactly why?

[kindred flame]

why should medics only self-heal up to 60%. should they only be able to heal others up to 60%?

[odd cipher]

so you want to incentivize squad play by making medic the only class option in all squads so that they can always heal each other to full?

[kindred flame]

dumb idea to artificially limit heals like that

[odd cipher]

since playing support/assault/engi would automatically be a grief at that point

[kindred flame]

the entire problem was that other classes lacked any form of self-sustain whatsoever

[mint linden]

Yes. There a fucking medic. It’s their job. Literally their one task

[kindred flame]

whereas medics can do it in perpetuity

[odd cipher]

or you just want to force medics to be the only class that has to stand behind their team and do nothing but heal?

[kindred flame]

the bandage change gives the other classes some self-sustain, while without removing the usefulness of medics

and let's be real, medics barely heal in this game

[odd cipher]

like, idk how you read either of those sentences and go "yes this is a good change that will be fun"

[kindred flame]

and no amount of incentive is enough to change that

nerfing heals is also a terrible fucking idea for a shooter that is fundamentally arcade in nature

so the best path forward is to make heals more accessible to all

rather than just locking it to medic and fucking over five other classes

the bandage change is also interesting because it forces a damaged player to make a decision

do they use one of their 3 or 4 bandages to top off their health now to be in a good shape for the next fight?

that'd potentially put them into a situation where they're out of bandages and bleed to death

[mint linden]

That’s the stupidest fucking take I’ve heard. So everyone should heal to make it more arcady, fast-paced, and individual. So fuck squad play and teamwork in a coopeative, team-based shooter

Right?

[odd cipher]

you can have squad play without making playing without a squad absolute dogshit

you understand that right?

[kindred flame]

i'm not the dumbass suggesting we should artificially cap heals for a single class

i won't pretend i haven't heard dumber takes

[mint linden]

No. Your the dumbass saying we should artificially add heals to everyone else

[kindred flame]

but that's a pretty fucking stupid one

[odd cipher]

we should add more heals

i think stims for assault with a faster use time than bandages is a good idea

but that's a different thread

[kindred flame]

yeah that's not a bad idea too

[odd cipher]

like if your idea is implemented

here's what happens

[kindred flame]

also, not like squad play is being nerfed here

[odd cipher]

the solo players either squad up to multi-medic

[kindred flame]

if anything, it has become even more important

[mint linden]

I’m actually dying laughing. That’s so dumb. This is not cod

[kindred flame]

which you'd fucking realize, if you spent 10 seconds thinking about it

[odd cipher]

or quit because the solo gameplay is atrocious at that point

[kindred flame]

but thinking is hard, and not for everyone

[midnight fulcrum]

I don't know how I feel about the 40% instant heal.

[odd cipher]

so assault can't have anything unique to it to make it better?

the class literally named "assault" which should be aggressive, can't have an outplay tool?

like a faster self heal for ya'know, being aggressive?

[mint linden]

No. Assault needs the most work by far! Couldn’t agree more on that. But self heals and stim is not the way

[kindred flame]

it's a good idea that creates interesting decisions for the player to make

[tall cove]

Thats a HUGE stretch

[mint linden]

The only other class more pointless than assault is team leader

[midnight fulcrum]

If there's no way to snag bandages from enemies, having banadages heal 100% over time being interrupted by damage would be preferable.

[kindred flame]

i wouldn't mind heal over time too yes

[midnight fulcrum]

But then again, it would also incentivise sitting in a corner.

[odd cipher]

not being able to heal yourself also incentivises sitting in a corner so

[kindred flame]

perhaps they'll fine-tune this change, but for now, it's a MASSIVE step in the right direction

[midnight fulcrum]

I like self heal, don't get me wrong.

[tall cove]

Who the hell is calling this game a “cooperative team based shooter”

The current mode right now is everything but

[midnight fulcrum]

I'm just thinking about the current implementation.

[kindred flame]

kinda hilarious because this change actually encourages squad play while also making solo play for non-medics bearable lol

all this mfer had to do was spend 10 seconds thinking about it

[odd cipher]

we don't think in this discord. that's why people think they're getting lasered by the vector at 100m+

[kindred flame]

i'm in this message and i don't like it

[odd cipher]

lol

[thorny sonnet]

if only people know how far 100m actually is

[tall cove]

The only thing that’s teamwork is calling in supplies

and building walls

[odd cipher]

locking down obj's

[mint linden]

It was initially designed more in the vein of Squad. This is what the devs initial intent was. That didn’t work. So they hoped to make it more Arcady while keeping the fundamentals of their idea. I wouldn’t call it a stretch to say battlebit is supposed to be more of a team based shooter, especially since your on a team in a squad

[kindred flame]

yeah and good thing this change is going to encourage more teamwork 🙂

[midnight fulcrum]

Medic self healing with their fast bandages might be faster than medkit, but it comes with the tradeoff of being limited.

[mint linden]

One step at a time

[odd cipher]

oh yeah medic can use the bandies now for a quick heal...

hmmmm.

so much more outplay potential now

[thorny sonnet]

medic probably will be very powerful still

[kindred flame]

yeah no doubt

[mint linden]

Would literally just make the existing problem worse. Don’t see that being a part of the game

[kindred flame]

but i'll actually play other classes now

[odd cipher]

tbh it probably shouldn't, i wouldn't let it go live IMO

but it does add an extra thing to think about

[thorny sonnet]

now the only question is if players are made aware of the new changes and will start dropping bandages

[odd cipher]

hah no

[thorny sonnet]

as expected

[tall cove]

When they finish the hardcore mode there will definitely be teamwork

[odd cipher]

call your own supply box in, nobody using those points anyway

[tall cove]

Planning and shit

[mint linden]

But then what would be the point of the med bag. I mean the medic gets 20 bandages = 20 quick heals

[odd cipher]

make it where they can't quick heal bandage themselves

is what i would do

so they still have 20 quick heal/bleed stops/revives for other players

[thorny sonnet]

make it so they cant run while bandaging

[odd cipher]

but can't quick heal themselves with it

[thorny sonnet]

they can only walk

[midnight fulcrum]

I think that until players can take bandages off their enemies' dead bodies, the current bandage update will only serve to delay the inevitable.

[mint linden]

Why

[odd cipher]

tbh i can't think of any situation recently where i've bandaged while sprinting and lived

[tall cove]

I’m sure they added it because A: half the medics were playing as assault and B: having only one class be able to heal in an arcade mode is silly

[thorny sonnet]

not just sprinting

[odd cipher]

usually if i need to bandage while sprinting i'm caught in a bad spot and am dead regardless even if i get the bandage off

[thorny sonnet]

but doing acrobatics on top of it

[mint linden]

Doesn’t make much sense that the medic can’t run while bandaging but others could

[midnight fulcrum]

3 bandages to heal from 0-100 grants 1-3 additional gunfights per life.

[thorny sonnet]

apply it to everyone

[odd cipher]

tbh i think reducing movement like that is a bad change

[mint linden]

But then your not solving the problem.

[midnight fulcrum]

Movement makes the game fun.

[odd cipher]

you still have to actually use the bandage while you can't do anything else to fight back/defend yourself

[thorny sonnet]

well thatll depend on how the devs want the game to be played out

[odd cipher]

movement being open the way it is allows for a lot of skill expression

for sure

for a hardcore mode i'd remove it

[mint linden]

I agree. Biggest thing I enjoy about Battlebit compared to Squad and even battlefield to an extent is the movement speed

[odd cipher]

but for the arcade style we have right now i think it's perfect

[tall cove]

Yes

They’ll probably remove the self healing for the milsim mode

[odd cipher]

it's like titanfall 2, slide hopping, lurch tech, etc. all these tools to enhance the movement allow for so much skill expression where just being a good aimer or planner isn't the end all be all

[tall cove]

Keep it in this casual mode

[scarlet skiff]

This game has not been squad like since remastered v3

We're on v5 btw

[mint linden]

No shit

[scarlet skiff]

When medic has C4, saying the game is teamwork based is laughable

[odd cipher]

i really need them to sort out whatever they're doing to the servers. i ping the servers at 29 ms, join any of them and it's 70+ T.T

[midnight fulcrum]

C4 can only do so much against skillful heavy armour.

[odd cipher]

the c4 reduction wasn't enough imo

[midnight fulcrum]

Or tanks/BTRs sitting in the distance.

[scarlet skiff]

You'd have to heavily nerf medics kit to get anywhere near a forced cooperative shooter

[mint linden]

I’m not saying it is teamwork based anymore, I’m arguing that it should be. Why have a class system at all without trying to promote teamwork?

[odd cipher]

should be c4 replaced with c2 (which could only damage structures) or replace with sledge

instead of -1 c4 like that does anything

and i say that as a medic sweatball

[midnight fulcrum]

I like C4 where it's at. It punishes vehicles for playing close.

[mint linden]

For medics, yes. Way to many engineers rn

[tall cove]

How much teamwork was in a battlefield 5 match tbh

[mint linden]

Tandem is life

[odd cipher]

engineers getting a nice buff too

with the double damage to the backs of vehicles

[scarlet skiff]

Because and this is straight from the horses mouth "I don't want classes to feel annoying to play, that doesn't make for a good game"

Needing to play a class to blow up vehicles for Oki is annoying

[tall cove]

Or any recent battlefield game

[odd cipher]

i don't even remember teamwork in bc2 (but i also spent most of that games life cycle enjoying nothing but making the buildings fall down)

[scarlet skiff]

His current vision is for classes to be self sufficient in all directions, with strengths stacked on top of thst

[mint linden]

This isn’t battlefield. If you want battlefield, go play battlefield

[scarlet skiff]

It kinda is now

[tall cove]

You brought up class systems and teamwork

[scarlet skiff]

Hell it's even more arcadey than battlefield

[midnight fulcrum]

I like this vision.

[tall cove]

I was just comparing

Both games are fast paced big map shooters

Both games have classes

[mint linden]

Yup, and I’m hoping that it can be somewhere btw battlefield (on a good day) and squad. Somewhere in the middle

Take team based components of squad and the faster pace of bf

[scarlet skiff]

I mean I understand what you want, but BBR is not aiming for that, at least anymore. You may be better off trying hell let loose or battlefield portal mode?

[warped atlas]

i am still holding the opinion that medic should not have lethal gadgets. period.

• smoke launcher
• defibrillator
• sledge
• pickaxe
  in slot 1

you remove the lethality of c4, every one switches back to claymores since claymores are just AP mines but persist through death

[mint linden]

Which, from the little info we have, is what the hardcore mode should be

[scarlet skiff]

With how Oki feels about medic, I'm not sure it'll reach your expectations of hardcoreness

[odd cipher]

truuuu, i hate claymores and ap mines so i forget i could even take them because i'd never use them

[thorny sonnet]

umm

AP mines persist

[warped atlas]

wait they do?

[thorny sonnet]

yes

[odd cipher]

ap mines were bugged and not persisting when we had infinite claymores iirc

[scarlet skiff]

Recent patch, came when they limited claymores

Claymores are also not infinite anymore

[odd cipher]

yeah, thank god

[tall cove]

You can place more than 4 in a life but anything after 4 will despawn when you die

I think

[odd cipher]

i stand by my vote that you should be able to dodge claymores by running through them

cause there's some really cheesy spots you can play them where the lasers aren't visible until you trip them

like on stairs...

[scarlet skiff]

Anyways @mint linden classes will still have personal strengths, but also still have the ability to do anything. I think you might want to look at something like rising storm 2 or old-school hardcore battlefield like Bad Company for that role specific stuff

For a faster tactical shooter

I heard enlisted does something similar as well

But milsim kits in a movement shooter like this would clash hard af

[humble pawn]

Wonderful change with bandages! I still think Medic should be the one that should be resupplying bandages to players instead of Support, and thats coming from a Support main.

[smoky horizon]

Maybe increase the point cost of bandages from boxes?

Can point cost even be adjusted on a per class basis?

Also, not sure if you can still pick up more bandages than your supposed limit. I swear I was able to hold like 6+ bandages as recon by picking up dropped ones

[bitter pumice]

Ngl I don't like this change as long as we have the same amount of bandages

the chances of anyone who is not a medic reviving people is quite low now

[smoky horizon]

Yeah

What if

Reviving someone uses their bandage

and not yours

unless they got none

[bitter pumice]

except for medics

[smoky horizon]

So medics just have to drop a bandage on the floor after kek

Can of worms is open, time to feast haha

[bitter pumice]

We have talked about this though

This exact problem

Bandages now do too much

[smoky horizon]

Hold people at gun point to extort their bandages 😂

[bitter pumice]

Heal, stop bleeding and revive

yet you only have 3 of them

[bitter pumice]

"You better give me a bandage now buddy or I'm bringing this whole building down on yo head"

[smoky horizon]

AT mine gaming

[thorny sonnet]

this should be automatic if you run out of bandages

if such feature is implemented

[bitter pumice]

but then again, I'd not revive until I run out of bandages

or idk you can drop all your bandages before reviving and hope you can gather them all back after you're done

[thorny sonnet]

well, we'll see what happens when the update drops

inb4 the number of medics skyrocket

[bitter pumice]

it just might lmao

[thorny sonnet]

hmm

can i spitball an insane idea

[smoky horizon]

do it

[thorny sonnet]

ofc since the medic has an absurd amount of bandages (that heals you aswell), this could make medics more enticing

and thus increase the already disproportionate population of players using medic

how about if the medic is given a revive kit instead of a bandage (essentially replacing the bandage slot for medic specifically), it is infinite use and can only stop bleeding or res

and then increase the bandage amount for other classes by 2 or smth

my english dropped off for a moment there

lmao

[smoky horizon]

so... med kit+

[crimson hull]

increase the bandages on the other classes, sounds good

[thorny sonnet]

esentially

medic cant drop bandages

[bitter pumice]

the only difference would be that the medic can't drop bandages

[thorny sonnet]

which would mean people need to flock to suppprt to resup the bandages

[bitter pumice]

can they drop bandages at all? someone was saying if a medic drops them they disappear

[thorny sonnet]

wasnt it a bug or smth(?)

idk

[smoky horizon]

it's a bug on some terrain

[bitter pumice]

fuck if I know I don't drop bandages as medic

[thorny sonnet]

i never even bothered dropping bandages

[bitter pumice]

I already use it faster I just use it on them

also I get to have that sweet xp when I want that last level up 😈

[thorny sonnet]

i guess the amount of supp players could increase with the new bandage changes

but medic would probably stay the same (or even increase)

[bitter pumice]

yeah hopefully

if you get downed, you are going straight to god

ain't nobody giving 1/3 of their healing just to save your ass

[thorny sonnet]

i took reviving for granted when im playing medic. when i tried other classes i only realized how limited my bandages were

20 bandages sheesh

[remote rose]

Oki making the most based changes

[crisp jacinth]

fuck medic meta, all my homies run engi and assault

[crimson hull]

yessir

[bitter pumice]

ain't nobody running assault bruh your homies are imaginary 💀

[bitter pumice]

Eh this is not it but I'm down to let him cook for at least 2 more changes

[crisp jacinth]

now they do

[bitter pumice]

ayo this dude's homies are time travellers

[crisp jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/jebaited-low-quality-bait-wavy-man-gif-26402013

[remote rose]

It's perfect, you can heal, it's a sacrifice, medics are still valid, they can throw out extra bandages if required

[crisp jacinth]

^

[remote rose]

Reviving will be much more medic-focused if the team wants to win (which is not always the case)

Shitters will continue to be shitters regardless of any change

[bitter pumice]

It'd be better if the bandage count increased by, say 2

If you want reviving to be medic's thing you can always restrict it to them

[pliant bronze]

i agree but they could just make a backpack for it so everyone has a choice of utility vs survivability

[bitter pumice]

Bandages do too much for their low count to handle imo

[vital pivot]

its not like anyone thats not a medic ever revives anyway

unless your corpse is right in their face when they're prone in some corner

[feral isle]

if reviving would get them kill in scoreboard maybe they would 😄

[bitter pumice]

Idk about you but I see a lot of people revive even if they are not medics

[feral isle]

key factor is to NOT hold space just as you die 😄

[bitter pumice]

honestly yea, I had way too many players just hold space instead of letting me revive them lmao

maybe because they knew they weren't getting a medic heal afterwards and did not want to play on 1 shot hp

[fast comet]

This would be me.
Either medic res or no res if I'm not playing medic.

[bitter pumice]

If your engagement range is close to mid range honestly understandable

[soft creek]

revive check followed by heal check

[queen nebula]

Even with the new changes, I still value playing medic above anything else. Self healing/extra bandages just makes the class to valuable compared to others. Assault/Engineer just suffer because of design.

I do like the bandage change on other classes, just need to focus on making other classes stronger.

[sinful nacelle]

The simplest and best solution to fixing Medics is to make it so that they can't heal themselves. NOT to make it so that others can do it, too. I am simply stunned that they haven't realized this yet.

[thorny sonnet]

make it so that they cant heal themselves with the medkit aswell(?)

[sinful nacelle]

Yes. Think of it like doing surgery on yourself. Usually doesn't work.

[thorny sonnet]

ehh, im not so sure with this suggestion

this will cause some backlash from most people

[noble walrus]

Nah, this bandage change will go a long way to sorting things out. Support just got huge buff as a consequence which is awesome

May need values (speed/heal amt) tweaked but this is game changing. Would like to see how stationary healing would play out too

[thorny sonnet]

this would make people that play aggressively will just play other classes that can self heal and medic wont be played as much

it's just moving the problem

this is not the solution

[sinful nacelle]

Of course it will cause backlash from some people. TOO MANY people only play medic because it can self heal. This slows down gameplay if someone can just duck behind a corner and get themselves to 100% health.

[bitter pumice]

The goal is to make it so the classes are fun and balanced. Making it so that medics can't heal themselves is just making sure that they also are not having part on the hp sustain part.

[thorny sonnet]

yeah i want to add

removing selfheal is just gonna make it unfun to play

[bitter pumice]

Depending on random people to sustain your hp will never be fun in a game like this. It's simply too chaotic and fast paced for that.

[noble walrus]

lmao that's literally a fix to everyone playing medic (being OP)

Still probably a bit too powerful but i like that changes are being made incrementally insead of the pure nerf hammer

[sinful nacelle]

Whereas making it so that everyone can self heal will just slow down the gameplay.

[bitter pumice]

Mate I'd rather play a slower game than an unfun game

[noble walrus]

How?

[sinful nacelle]

Medics only being able to heal others promotes smart teamplay.

[noble walrus]

wtf, you played the last two weeks? Game is just smg medics zoomin round ignoring people needing revives/heals

[bitter pumice]

Promotes or makes it necessary?

[thorny sonnet]

i omitted this, but yes the planned update is a possible fix to everyone playing medic

removing self heal from medic isnt the solution, that was what i was referring to

[bitter pumice]

It doesn't promote shit if it's mandatory

If it was faster to heal someone else that'd be promoting

[sinful nacelle]

It's bad for the game for some classes to get tagged, but not killed, but be totally fine by themselves 10 seconds later.

[noble walrus]

ah i see, agreed

[bitter pumice]

It literally is not

[thorny sonnet]

we can do this discussion without the emotes can we not

[bitter pumice]

Health sustain is necessary for a game of this type. The pace is fast, ttk is low, the maps are big.

[thorny sonnet]

i dont want to see this discussion degenerate

[sinful nacelle]

Definitely promotes. It wouldn't force anyone to heal others, like it is now, but 9 times out of 10 the winning team will be the one with medics healing others.

[thorny sonnet]

but that would make the medic very much even more necessary

[bitter pumice]

Mate you cannot heal yourself means you NEED someone else to do it. Currently medics are popular because of it.

[noble walrus]

usually the winning team is the one with less snipers 😄

[thorny sonnet]

i dont see the game benefiting from this change if its hard enforcing a certain playstyle or strategy

[bitter pumice]

What you offer is making teamplay forced which leads to frustrating moments when you don't have a teammate to play with.

It'd literally force everyone to look for someone else to heal, causing frustration if you don't have another medic nearby.

[sinful nacelle]

That's what I am saying. Medics are popular ONLY because they can self heal. The solution isn't to allow everyone to self heal, but to take away the self heal. Especially if we want to keep a fast paced gameplay.

[bitter pumice]

If people can reset themselves they can play more aggresively

knowing they don't need to find their dumbass medic to beg for heals

[next mica]

it literally is the solution 💀

[bitter pumice]

If people can't self heal the game will be even slower not faster. You'll spend more time in the respawn screen instead of actually playing. You don't even know the consequences of your suggestion.

[noble walrus]

how is being forced to respawn and run back to the action faster than dipping into cover, using a bandage and then getting back into it?

[thorny sonnet]

fast paced would mean that everyone is on their feet

adding a form of self healing to everyone will make them be more active (instead of waiting for medic to come and heal them (granted if they dont ignore you))

[sinful nacelle]

Fast paced game play. or Slower gameplay. I'm fine with either, but BB is obviously aiming for fast. Letting everyone slow down and self heal slows down the gameplay.

[bitter pumice]

fast paced =/= you respawn more

[thorny sonnet]

dude i think you bamboozled yourself

[bitter pumice]

The other option is even slower making this one the actual faster option

[next mica]

so taking a cover and healing is slower than holding spacebar and going back?

[bitter pumice]

and running all the way back into position

[sinful nacelle]

Currently ONE CLASS ALONE gets to stop fighting, heal themselves, and act like nothing happened. The new proposal is for EVERY CLASS to stop fighting, heal themselves, and act like nothing happened?

And you think that means fast gameplay?

[bitter pumice]

You get to sit behind cover and heal for 10 seconds vs you die, respawn somewhere that is further away from the action, run all the way back

[noble walrus]

@sinful nacelle You playing some 9D chess with us or something?

[bitter pumice]

How the latter faster?

[thorny sonnet]

my man you're losing yourself in your own argument

[bitter pumice]

bro is so confused

[thorny sonnet]

reread what you just wrote down

[bitter pumice]

he argued himself into a losing position

[thorny sonnet]

either your argument is lost in phrasing or you actually confused yourself

[bitter pumice]

I think he only considers a scenario where he has multiple medics with him

but what if you don't have medics with you? Since y'know that's the goal

[sinful nacelle]

Listen, I understand that so many people ground out the levels with cheeze medic mechanics, and they get pissed when it is rightfully suggested to take it away. My suggestion would make the game better, more balanced, FASTER, and reward good squad play.

[bitter pumice]

to reduce the popularity of medics

[next mica]

"better" 💀

[bitter pumice]

Your suggestion would make the game slower, less balanced, more annoying and overall unfun

[noble walrus]

no it would make the game SLOWER, tedious, and unfun for the casual player

[bitter pumice]

You can reward good squad play without gimping everyone else

[sinful nacelle]

You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

Good luck, and I congratulate you all on your future careers in the fast paced fast food industries.

[bitter pumice]

I hope for your sake you never partake in a debate

[noble walrus]

@sinful nacelle plus remember, there's a hardcore mode coming, and custom servers so you'll see loads of variations on rules hopefully

but for the casual player/game, everyone being able to sustain more than one fight and carry on playing is great

[sinful nacelle]

I am a fool. I always get sucked into debating with people that can't understand basic logic and causality. One of my shortcomings.

[rugged zenith]

https://tenor.com/view/everythings-gonne-be-okay-eric-cartman-south-park-fatbeard-s13e7-gif-22897458

[sinful nacelle]

My bad, I apologize. Carry on.

[next mica]

it's literally unfun to run around getting random shot or granade splash that leaves you without possibility to self-heal (most medics don't give a fuck to heal you up). so you can just respawn because you will probably die in first fight you find at low hp. That's why medic is so popular and overused

[noble walrus]

debating what? You're actually just wrong. It's got to a point I can't tell if this is some elaborate troll or you're fucking high. Dying and returning to combat is SLOWER than bandaging and getting back in the fight

Like why does everyone play medic atm? Because you can heal and get back to it and not have to fucking run back from point or the sniper 300m from anywhere

been totally one guyed here, ragin

[thorny sonnet]

best bet is to see how the game is played out once the update drops

[glacial stag]

Not to compare to realism too much but people have literally patched themselves up, stitched closed wounds and poorly reset bones and made splints out of w/e they could so what you say is not true.

[queen nebula]

Removing the option too self heal as a Medic would cause more of an issue. The bandage situation isn't going to solve the issue either. You only have 3 attempts in theory to heal yourself as a player in the off chance you don't get shot and have to bandage from bleed. Which essentially only means you can get in maybe one or two gun fights before you as the player are stuck without any means of healing.

I don't just play medic because it has self healing, but I play it because I don't want to burn tickets. Yes most people using medic are running around with SMG's flanking but that is because that is the one of the only consistent ways to get points and rank up. Feel like a majority of players forget there are no incentives for playing the objective to begin with. Essentially you want to play medic alone because it allows you to make sure you don't waste tickets and can get more points per life.

[blissful harbor]

So what do you think happens when you take away the only self heal in the game, when 80% of the players play that class purely because it has a self heal? Think about this for literally two seconds before you reply.

[bitter pumice]

Ironic you say this when you didn't try to defend your logic once. 3 different people pointed out the problem with it yet you not once tried to explain/defend it. Yes, you are indeed a fool but not for the reason you think.

[bitter pumice]

To add, the reason medic is THE pick for flanks is because he can self heal, so he can flank more effectively and for longer.

You don't want to flank with a class who is gimped after a single gunfight because they can't heal themselves.

[queen nebula]

@bitter pumice OH 100% , people forget that flanking essentially also helps the team push objectives more effectively when the team is distracted looking for the one flanker killing their team lol.

[bitter pumice]

Apparently teamplay is only when you use your gadgets to help another person, not when you read the situation correctly and take advantage of the distraction caused by your teammates

[queen nebula]

Yea unfortunately people get tunneled vision on one aspect and don't see the entire picture. I get it that some of the medics in the game don't heal or revive which essentially is what makes medic so valuable and I agree more medics should play their role, but it all comes down to one thing and one thing alone and that is Tickets! People forget the reason why self healing is so valuable is due to tickets and deaths technically mean something.

I do like that other classes are going to be able to heal themselves but again in my opinion it still functionally handicaps everyone to still play medic. Why? Well Tickets still exist and reviving and bandages are a must in most game modes thus making Medic the optional choice to play to get points. Plus if you run around and revive everyone and heal everyone it is soooo much experience it's nuts.

[bitter pumice]

They talked about giving other classes ways to earn xp so hopefully that bridges the gap between medic and everyone else

[queen nebula]

I just would like to see more advantages to playing other classes. Extra experience would be nice, but more up sides or something to playing them. My thought would be if I am playing Assault that I would have better aim or recoil control because of playing assault etc etc, but will see what ends up happening.

[soft creek]

(unless its dom)

[queen nebula]

Yea, it is a little weird cause technically under server browser settings dom is listed as tdm. If I read it correctly.

[soft creek]

there is a tdm mode so idek

[novel forum]

something like 90% of tickets lost are from the timer not from deaths

[queen nebula]

Just to clarify. Are you saying that 90% of the tickets are just being wasted because the timer hits 0 and the game ends or swaps sides?

I tend to only play 32 lobbies so if you are talking about other bigger games I can't speak on that note. I have had a few games end in 32 because of timer and we still had tickets remaining.

[novel forum]

when you control less points than the enemy you bleed tickets, and you start with 6000(iirc)
if you add up everyones deaths at end of match it should only be a couple hundred

most of your tickets are lost via bleed, only very close games do player death tickets matter

tbh many people leave mid match so that would trend the deaths lower

[queen nebula]

interesting, that's actually some cool information to know thank you! If it works that way I would like to see less tickets lost during that or at least tell people that is how the mechanic works! But awesome

[novel forum]

oh for sure, I would like to see deaths matter more too

[tawny pasture]

I do find it weird how the game has no domination mechanic where when one side has all the points the tickets bleed faster

[odd cipher]

it does

each point you hold increases the amount of tickets the enemy team bleeds

i play frontline though to avoid walking simulator

[midnight fulcrum]

I play Frontline to play Duck Hunt.

[soft creek]

Both teams bleed

One just bleeds more

But yeah like 6 minutes of bleeding will eat more tickets than the entire games deaths

[craggy ore]

Medic gonna be balanced after the buff in all other classes.
What about DMR for medics ? like battlefield.
I'm currently playing medic using Scar-H and it seems much stronger than any DMR.

[kindred flame]

i really don't think medic needs more weapon choices

and yeah DMRs still suck

[odd cipher]

why use a dmr when ak15/fal exist

[kindred flame]

for suffering

[craggy ore]

you changed my mind lol, and its not a joke

[odd cipher]

i just had a 50 kill game using the ak15 during which i spent every gunfight with a red connection indicator on my screen. it's so free it hurts

[halcyon lotus]

Imo medic is now 1 man army, huge sustain, best weapons, fast healing, tons of bandages, super fast have c4. Imo medic should have only rifles and smg ( vector needs nerf asap), no armor/medium maximum ( its light support class not a fucking terminator with heavy armor), aoe healing from dropped hp box, no explo gadgets like granades/ c4( only smokes/flash).

[crimson hull]

read the changelog

[halcyon lotus]

R u talking about bandage changes? This not change a lot in medic class, but it is good change

[crimson hull]

bro read the entire thing over the past couple days my god not that difficult

[bitter pumice]

Balance medic without ruining its fun challenge (impossible)

[halcyon lotus]

Tell what u talking about i dont have time to read everything and try to get what u mean

[bitter pumice]

The vector is already nerfed

[crimson hull]

assault's buffed

[bitter pumice]

smh if you are not going to read patch notes maybe you should not make suggestions about them

[crimson hull]

engi gets xp buff, engi and sup get barbed wire, new boat, flinch changes, medic has 1 less c4

there you go illiterate person

[bitter pumice]

#game-server-news message

lmao oki even posted this

[halcyon lotus]

Thank u

[bitter pumice]

you are "welcome", next time read changelogs before suggesting shit that has already been confirmed

[crimson hull]

whoo 30min till update

[crimson hull]

then you can expierence the changes mate, just 30min

[high marsh]

Medics shouldn't have C4.

[kindred flame]

yeah tbh i don't think medic needs c4

i don't mind them having a weaker explosive for blowing up walls and constructibles

but they don't need c4

[bitter pumice]

medic only has c4 so they can interact with the destruction

giving them a breaching charge instead and reworking sledge so it's more usable should be nice changes

[crimson hull]

this is somewhat off topic but still, why tf can't you res people without having healed yourself first, it's just annoying af

[delicate rune]

Press 3 to equip bandage. Click on the dead guy.

[bitter pumice]

It's airplane logic

[crimson hull]

omfg what, that's smth you can do ahhh why isn't that stated anywhere reeee, but thx

[crimson hull]

?

[bitter pumice]

you put your mask on before helping others

[crimson hull]

oh ye

average medic main be like (just without the latter part)

[crimson hull]

it doesn't work, it doesn't fucking work. did you lie to me?

no but srsly it's annoying af idk if i changed anything that doesn't allow me to do that rn or if i'm gonna be stuck playing assault like your average clown medic did

[odd cipher]

as a filthy medic player, the bandage should really not be healing me

[crimson hull]

does it heal you?

[odd cipher]

yes

[crimson hull]

i thought it shouldn't big freaking ouf

[odd cipher]

i used it while bleeding, it pops up hp 47/100

[crimson hull]

XD bruh

[odd cipher]

i legit had a moment of like, "no way?"

[crimson hull]

that's kinda cracked

[odd cipher]

feels like i don't lose gunfights ever now

no more vector to compete with my fal

[crimson hull]

aswell as reviving doesn't work with the bandage if you're damaged ahhh

[odd cipher]

that should be fixed

with this hotfix

[scarlet skiff]

Both should be fixed

The healing and the reviving

[crimson hull]

and the acr, cuz that thing doesn't display the buffed stats :/

[scarlet skiff]

Also fixed

That one was just a forgor moment

[crimson hull]

oh lol hotfix out 20min after noice

[scarlet skiff]

Yup

[delicate rune]

#game-bugs message

[crimson hull]

omg thanks man, i pressed left mb :\

[bitter pumice]

This man is an archaeologist

[severe widget]

DROPPED MED KITS NEED TO GIVE XP. WHY DOES EVERY SMALL BIT OF DAMAGE I TAKE MAKE ME BLEED AND REQUIRE BANDAGE? Also medkits should replenish bandages when you heal on them. This makes medics more relevant with new self heal update. Medics should be able to drag people faster since really that's part of their main function is healing and reviving. Also medics should be the only class that can get you back to 100% health, other class self heal should probably be docked at 80% max.

[crimson hull]

first part was good, second part... not so ,much

[severe widget]

Why

[crimson hull]

well everyone should be able to heal themselves full, imo we also need 2-3 bandages more to actually be able to revive others and heal/bandage ourself, capping everyone else then medic would probaly lead to medics becoming assault meta again, which i find to be undesirable

[bitter pumice]

I've seen a ton of people complain about nobody reviving them

Who could have seen this coming?

[scarlet skiff]

Maybe because there was a bug where healing prioritized revives

And you couldn't revive people

But idk

[bitter pumice]

or maybe people just don't want to spend their very limited source of healing on somebody

the one time where I see a lot of revives is when people are near the supply crates

even then when those run out people stop reviving

This is why I was opposed to this "solution"

[crimson hull]

i have to ask medics for bandages, with how many of them revive and heal you, you can imagine how many less give you bandages 😦

[bitter pumice]

cause it doesn't solve shit

[odd cipher]

bandages prolly need to go up to 5-10 on everyone with this change

it's a good change, it just needs further adjustment

[scarlet skiff]

There's a reddit post going around that suggests you use the dead guys bandage to revive, think that would help?

[crimson hull]

not rly

[scarlet skiff]

More bandages is on the table just gotta see how bad it is first revive wise

[crimson hull]

still less bandages, just now for the other guy

[scarlet skiff]

Yeah, but it doesn't affect you so what reason do you have to not rez at that point

[bitter pumice]

people would just hold space then

why would I want to run around with no hp?

[crimson hull]

well if they don't have bandages 🤷

[bitter pumice]

people were already holding space if it's not a medic healing them

bandages have too many uses for their low count to handle

[scarlet skiff]

Well I owe a guy 5 bucks now

What about separating resources for bleed/HP and revives

[crimson hull]

that's medic for ya

tbh no

[bitter pumice]

That's what was proposed

give everyone a "healing kit" that healed slower than a medic and had something like 300 hp in it

[crimson hull]

yeah but then it's just: "medic, medic but faster gun handeling, medic with rpg, medic with lmg, medic with sniper", i don't like that idea, it really hurts class diversity imo

[bitter pumice]

class diversity is already limited though

[crimson hull]

ofc, but that'd fuck that up real bad

[bitter pumice]

It literally cannot make it worse

[crimson hull]

like everyone's a medic but a little different but worse

[bitter pumice]

right now it's just everyone is a medic

not a little different

[crimson hull]

yeah and that's the problem

[bitter pumice]

just medics

[scarlet skiff]

Medic is an assault, a demoman and a sniper rn

[crimson hull]

kinda yeah

[scarlet skiff]

Oki will not nerf medic

[crimson hull]

take those ars away from it asap

[scarlet skiff]

So it is easier to make all classes worse medic

With their own strengths

[crimson hull]

not very appealing class system tbh

[bitter pumice]

I'd much rather have this than all classes being medic's bitches for healing

[blissful harbor]

This is so much better tbh

[crimson hull]

yeah just give more bandages, done

[blissful harbor]

saw a suggestion earlier to give different backpack/vests more or less bandages which would be great

only problem is rezzing for non-medics atm is basically something no one wants to do

[scarlet skiff]

It's no longer a squad based game it is arcadey af

You just need to think of classes like cod classes and it'll help to feel more reasonable

And yes ik this game isn't cof

Cod

[blissful harbor]

but tbh idk if that's a bad thing or not, medics are much more likely to res now. So maybe it works out OK in the end

[crimson hull]

if everyone can heal then there are no real squads?

[scarlet skiff]

If you want to heal twice as fast you need a medic. If you want to blow up stuff far away you play engineer

The current design is less prominent weaknesses but more prominent strengths

[crimson hull]

idk current system but more bandages

[brave spruce]

That's an interesting suggestion, it wouldn't solve it completely, but it would help some. (Players willing to revive since it doesn't cost them)
If downed player doesn't have bandages, then it would take one of yours.
Medic would still use their own to revive instead of taking a downed player 🤔

I haven't got on yet- sad if players are unwilling to revive more now than before 😟

[scarlet skiff]

the reports are mixed

I hear some people say more revives

I hear others say less

it is driving me insane in trying to gather feedback

[vocal dagger]

honestly, i think that is because of the divide on the fanbase, some folks want to keep the game fast paced and arcade heavy, some folks want to slow things down a bit and let more tactical play arise

[scarlet skiff]

no like in terms of whether people are getting revived or not

this isn't about whether it should/shouldn't it's about what's happening

[vocal dagger]

imo things seem fine so far after the update, i like how people being greedy with their bandages makes it so there's ironically less bringing people back and allows the combat to flow more smoothly, without as many long stalemates

if your team does a push now, unless they have medics really trying to keep everyone alive, you can pretty much make it work and take your turf now

which i think it's the best possible outcome both for more tactical/realism players and arcade/run and gun players

idk just

really positively impressed with the update

[blissful harbor]

yep patch is great so far. Servers a bit laggy but probably overloaded again

gameplay changes so far are all great

[kindred flame]

some of my builds feel so fucking slow now with the attachment movement speed fixes 😮‍💨

[vocal dagger]

honestly, that's gooood
to many people rocking kitted out carbines with super fast speed before

[kindred flame]

yeah it's prob a good change overall, i just need to adjust

[vocal dagger]

🫡

[kindred flame]

carbines/pdws/smgs are still going to be really good for movement, it's mainly rifles that were affected tbh

[blissful harbor]

Yea that part I actually lowkey hate, some setups just geniunely feel awful to use

[kindred flame]

my SCAR setup got hit pretty hard =/

[vocal dagger]

i unlocked the honey badger like 30 ranks ago and just now started using it

[kindred flame]

.91 movement speed really makes you feel it lol

[vocal dagger]

the scar still feels good to me but idk

[blissful harbor]

M200 is literally unuseable now if you do anything but prone in random bushes. Literally run so slow I thought the game was in the "switching halftime" state, when everything is in slow motion

[kindred flame]

tbh... i'm ok with that

fuck snipers

maybe they should allow you to run faster with the pistol out lol

so you can at least get into position in a timely manner

[vocal dagger]

hmmmm the way slow weapons feel seems like it'd be fine(or finer depending on how you view them as is) if the speed buff from small weapons didn't stack with low armor

or at least had a half-stack middle ground

cause jeez you can fly around rn

[ebon olive]

I think the med kit should be reworked to resupply bandages when thrown

[bitter pumice]

that sounds like a bother ngl

using it already sucks enough that barely anyone throws them

if it still healed and resupplied bandages then that might be fun

[novel forum]

youforgot the most magazines, and there's no reason to pop out your healing box and heal yourself anymore XD
You can also drop your medic box and heal as you shoot

[halcyon lotus]

but medic is a support class not all around soldier :V medic should only have few guns light/medium armor and smokes

[halcyon lotus]

yeah, but healing from aoe should be slower than "from hand"

[odd cipher]

on the topic of giving other classes healing, can we get rid of armor now?

[novel forum]

armor should just increase your max hp and be done with it, its got so many weird interactions

[bitter pumice]

they'll never turn any class into the toothless class you just suggested

they said as much

[odd cipher]

using the fal today and got 4 hitmarkers on a support helmet? i bout jumped out of my chair

[halcyon lotus]

but if medic will not be nerfed rest of classes are toothless shit

[bitter pumice]

wtf no

you can buff other classes

you don't need every single class to be unfun shit

tell me this

[novel forum]

this is a warcrime

[halcyon lotus]

then where is a logic to make classes if u want to make all classes like universal soldier?

[bitter pumice]

how will nerfing medic to the "toothless shit" state will help others not be that?

[bitter pumice]

wrong chat I assume?

[halcyon lotus]

only 1 universal class should be assault

[bitter pumice]

nobody will be universal though

[halcyon lotus]

all the rest should be specialized in special jobs and have pros and cons

[bitter pumice]

you'll still have specilizations

[novel forum]

a medic in a ranger vest carries more ammo than a support+LMG unless you take the extra ammo vest

[odd cipher]

and the support drops a box on the ground to get more ammo

[halcyon lotus]

ok then if u give a medic a breach tool from assault where is logic to still have a assault class?

[bitter pumice]

you can still have specialized classes and not gimp them in other areas

[bitter pumice]

assault has the ads etc. buff

[halcyon lotus]

yeah but supports only run with exo

[novel forum]

exo gives 3 mags

heavy gives 5

[bitter pumice]

I want an answer to this: "how will nerfing medic to the "toothless shit" state will help others not be that?"

If the classes at present are not fun how will nerfing medic to that point will make them fun

[halcyon lotus]

yea but exo give more protection thants why every support run with it

[odd cipher]

it doesn't but then he'll feel better, or something

[halcyon lotus]

nah classes should have specific role on battlefield, because now medic is 1 man army

[bitter pumice]

that is not an answer

[halcyon lotus]

have everything explo gadgets huge selfheal, best weapons in the game, is fast

[odd cipher]

what if i told you, they do, but the playerbase chooses to not do that because rushing in or sitting at the back of the map with a sniper are the only 2 styles people understand

[halcyon lotus]

if u thinking change medic to do his role is a nerf we can stop conversation now

[bitter pumice]

If you don't want to answer the question sure

The point is the game is supposed to be fun

[halcyon lotus]

im anwsering u, if medic will change to do his role u can switch class and still have fun

[bitter pumice]

What you guys are offering is to nerf medic until they are just heal bots

i.e. unfun shit nobody plays

The alternative is to buff everyone else to the fun level of medic

[halcyon lotus]

nah medic still be a key role on battlefield and still will be tough oponent

but cant be op as now

cuz 80% ppl on battlefield are medic 15 are snipers and rest of 5% are other classes

[bitter pumice]

smh

[odd cipher]

you can't be this dense

buff, the other, classes

[bitter pumice]

they pick medic cause it's the most fun one

[odd cipher]

instead, of gutting, the only fun class

[bitter pumice]

it can self sustain it has good weapons

you can give these to other classes as well

like they did with bandages

[halcyon lotus]

ok let be medic all around class and do same shit to other classes XD stupid af

[bitter pumice]

I'm glad you are not the one designing the game ngl

[novel forum]

comon now, everyone isn't picking medic now

there's some snipers too

[odd cipher]

i've seen some of the sweaty players running assault now

ads speed actually goes hard now that it has some self sustain

[bitter pumice]

If people have less dependence on medic for what it provides, medic will be picked less

bro really spent an entire super react on fax

[odd cipher]

you super clown reacted something factual

[halcyon lotus]

cuz i can

[bitter pumice]

I've seen way more assaults running around now

[odd cipher]

the people who are multi-prestigers are running assault

[bitter pumice]

since y'know

[odd cipher]

and still dropping 100 kill games

[bitter pumice]

they can self sustain now

[odd cipher]

so it can't be that bad

[bitter pumice]

I did not question your ability to do so

[novel forum]

yeah if guys mainlining adderall for followers can go 100 kills why cant you

[odd cipher]

i mean, if this class is so useless that you can't ever use it, and then they use it and maintain their statlines, maybe it's usable?

[kindred flame]

not a sweat, but assault definitely has its uses now whereas it was just a meme before

i've been doing groza assault

pretty good class-weapon synergy

[smoky horizon]

Yeah PDWs work so much better than ARs

[severe widget]

What if you could just regen health over time? That would take away some of the immense bandage scarcity. Also just stop making every bit of damage cause bleeding.. that would help. I feel like if you hit a medkit it should top up your bandages to whatever your loadout allows like ammo box does. It's a med kit after all..

[blissful harbor]

You only bleed when you take dmg under 40 hp

[old flame]

shotgun for medic

[crimson hull]

already a debate tl:dr i no like, imo the few mil sim elements that are allowed to stay in casual mode should stay, putting regen in just rubs me the wrong way and turns the game even more into battlefield roblox without its own personality, kinda idk i like the bandage system rn feels rly unique, we just need a couple more to keep up with the battles demant

[toxic plaza]

Ahh yes a true Chad sir . Tip of the hat to you my dear FAL user

[upper mountain]

good afternoon, please tell me, after the last update, as for me, the medic class was completely destroyed, for what purpose was this done?

[crimson hull]

you only lost 1 c4, and others can heal now, where does that destroy medic for you? i wanna know

[upper mountain]

now the medic class is not needed, because the bandages restore hp, or is it easier to immediately respawn at your point, why was this done?

[crimson hull]

'cause no one else could fight more then 1 fight, you still rely HEAVILY on medics for free health and bandages, srsly xp for dropped bandages would be hella awsome

[upper mountain]

the medic has become unnecessary in battle, if earlier you could heal everyone for the medic, and you were useful, now each class can heal itself, and even more so it’s not logical, it’s unlikely that you can cure yourself with bandaging. The medic has a first aid kit which he heals. How can a bandage "heal wounds"?

[upper mountain]

Of course, you need to rely on doctors, because they took an oath), this is such a class, it is like a support that helps in battle. this is not the main force, but an auxiliary

[crimson hull]

how does the medic kit heal him on a back wound, anyways people still need bandages and health and it really comes to show on the frontlines, you just don't have time or resources to heal yourself and you have to continue building cover and shooting enemys the medics that heal and drop bandages are an incredibly important asset on the battlefield

[bitter pumice]

Ah yes, because medic being able to revive somebody, after I blew their head off, with bandages makes sense. Medics have not become unnecessary at all, they still have the most bandages and faster bandaging so people rely on them for revives more now since bandages are scarce. They also have infinite and faster healing and they got to keep all of their weapons. I still see a lot of medics running around, just a little less from before since people can now try other classes.

Saying medic is not needed anymore since your 3 bandages restore a measly 40 hp while also being used for revives is just not true. Medic does not need to be the only class that heals for them to be useful. If they are the only class they can heal they are mandatory.

[crimson hull]

couldn't have said it better 👏

[deft field]

Just a shame none of the eu medics bother to actually revive anymore

[pliant bronze]

i just wish they fix the bandage where it disappear to oblivion when you drop some and wish it gives points

[severe widget]

Hmmm yes I see how that could be. What if something else was used for revives only so it didn't rely on your once source of self healing AND there wasn't basically infinite resurrection circles? I just don't think it's fair you have to decide if you keep yourself topped up, keep bandages to stop yourself from bleeding to death, OR not letting your teammates just die. Either that or reacquiring bandages shouldn't be just from an ammo box? I just still don't see a few more bandages making all that much difference when each gunfight easily takes so much health, I think people would still opt to let their team die.

[crimson hull]

imo opinion that just overcomplicates things more then it would help

[upper mountain]

How can a bandage heal? Only stop the bleeding, but do not treat. Okay, our game is not that realistic, but the fact is that the medic has to patch, not the bandage, which can do nothing but stop the blood. Therefore, the medic has a first aid kit to "pat" the fighter. This is logical. As you say "throw bandages", this is as illogical as possible, you have 20 of them. 20 times you can raise an ally or stop the bleeding of yourself or an ally.

[crimson hull]

well the whole thing is that no one else could play that run and gun style medics could without worrying about health so much, that's why they changed it, realism really isn't on the menu here sry and imo it just doesn't ruin medic, infact it buffs medic and support in their support role, medic shouldn't be the predominant assault class, that's well the assault class, medics really help with free health and a steady supply of bandages and bandaging if you are currently fighting, i don't get why this ruins medic in any way quite on the contrary actually imo

[upper mountain]

Personally, I like to run only as a medic, since you get normal xp and the class itself is very balanced. And as for me, the class becomes unnecessary due to the introduction of a bandage that heals. because now everyone can heal themselves. Then you need to make a first-aid kit available for all classes, but you won’t see the difference, everyone can now heal each other. That is why the medic class is simply killed.

[crimson hull]

just because everyone can heal, doesn't mean medics aren't usefull, bandages are really only good in solo/currently no medic here scenarios, in any other situation i try finding a medic, because they can heal me without wasting my precious anti-bleed and health supply for risky cicumstances and bandage and revive me faster which is advantages for the team, sry i'd like to understand why you think medic is dead now when it rly isn't, the patch puts it more into the role it should fullfill imo, that being a competent fighter in a group with the ability to keep that group alive

[upper mountain]

As for me, this is not a serious game, so hit and run was fun, who needs an attack class if no one plays it, and the main buff is a huge number of stores that you simply cannot use up. And even more so, there is a support class that throws off a box of ammo (oddly enough, the attack aircraft class has a small box of ammo, which makes the support class useless except for additional protection and a machine gun). But back to the Medic and his goals in the game.

[upper mountain]

The medic class becomes unnecessary because:

1. everyone can "pat themselves up"
2. Everyone can now raise and heal an ally a little (yes, you can do it) (and no one wants to be healed to the end, everyone just runs away)

[crimson hull]

ofc hit and run was/is fun it's not been nerfed only other classes got buffed, you can still play medic, heal and res people no problem and still run around as a good assault class, just not the best class for assaulting, which it shouldn't be since it's a medic, not an assault and it's good assault got brought back from the shadow realm imo

[tall cove]

You use all your bandages up quick

You only get 4(recon gets 3)

You use 2 for about one gunfight

Medic is needed more than ever now since you run out of bandages way more now

[crimson hull]

idk your experience, but for me i've always waited for the medic to heal me except i didn't need it due to a surplus of bandages, which is rare because you can only ask medics. everyone can heal themselves, but if they do they don't have the ability to do that later or save themself from a bleed, you don't have many only 4, idk why you'd run away from a medic that heals you and could give some bandages, since health and bandages are so valuable

and where medics truly shine is reviving people

[upper mountain]

it was the perfect class for an assault, as you could heal and run out, get injured, heal up and run out again

[tall cove]

That wasn’t a good thing

Medic is a support class

[upper mountain]

Well, as you don’t understand, it’s logical that the medical class, well, is not killed, but in a coma. The Medic was needed to heal, what's the point of having one on the battlefield if all the other classes heal each other and heal themselves. Do you understand what you are saying???????) "Yes, now other classes can heal themselves with 3 bandages to stop the blood and then heal themselves", and you do not see the very essence of your words?. And you prove that the medek class has become even more needed on the battlefield. How???

[tall cove]

Ah yes

The 20 bullets from the vector is putting me in a coma

[tall cove]

I think you need to read previous messages

[pliant bronze]

idk is he arguing that medic class is useless now?

or rather you dont need one now since everyone can heal?

[tall cove]

Idk he’s just a dumbass

[upper mountain]

The Vector was a normal balanced weapon, it had recoil and low damage. It could be easily shot with a PP19 or any assault rifle, but with the advent of newcomers who did not have this weapon, they began to whine to get it nerfed. although he had a lot of minuses (if we talk about returns).

[tall cove]

🎣

[upper mountain]

notice I didn't insult you

[tall cove]

You are spouting a lot of shit and several people have told you that you’re wrong and why

Then you proceed to say”why????”

[upper mountain]

Oh, I'm bullshit, but you're not? You insult me! How can a bandage heal?????????????

[tall cove]

How can a medic hovering your hand over you heal?

With a box in the other

Does that make any more sense?

If anything it makes less since

[upper mountain]

I hope you get banned for insulting, since no one insulted you in the dialogue.

[tall cove]

Sounds like “I can’t think of another stupid argument”

[upper mountain]

In the fact that a doctor with a box heals, there is more logic than a person who bandages himself with 3 bandages.

[pliant bronze]

what

[upper mountain]

I understand that you can’t compare the game with a squad, but even there there is a Medic class, where only a Medic heals

[pliant bronze]

well this isnt squad

[tall cove]

Now this is actual dumbassery

[pliant bronze]

since this isnt squad

and more of arcadey game and not a military sim game like squad

adjustments needs to be made

[upper mountain]

Don't worry buddy, I filed a complaint against you

[pliant bronze]

tbh no point of arguing

since the patch is here

[tall cove]

“Mods he called me a dumbass because I said bullets put you into a coma!!!😡”

[pliant bronze]

and will probably stay for a long time

[tall cove]

There have been worse insults here

[pliant bronze]

you dont have to agree with the changes but you have to accept the fact that this is what most people wanted is a form to give everyone a heal so everyone can fight longer like medics.

[upper mountain]

yes, the user market dictates its own rules

[crimson hull]

oh god this argument went downhill fast, medic is not an assault class xD and vector was op, easy as that, not to difficult to realize man

[bitter pumice]

Everyone being able to heal does not take away medic's usefulness wtf. You use 2 bandages per gunfight on average. That means you can only take 2 fights on every class other than recon who only has 3 bandages. You still need medic for heals and revives since bandages are now too precious to spend on revives for most people.

You don't need to have a monopoly on a resource to be useful. You can just provide it better than everyone else.

[pliant bronze]

i like how assault can carry that small ammo box so he can selfishly resupply his own bandage.

[severe widget]

I keep seeing the word logical when that's not what matters. What matters is balance and being able to enjoy the game. Sure things need to have some measure of reason such has medics having med kits but not everything has to be exactly like real life. We're just trying to make the game more fun and less "choose medic or die a lot more" while also keeping medics relevant and unique

[blissful harbor]

Tbf you get 8 bandaid on assault and a ton more on supp if you run ammo crates as well.

But yea I agree with you, medics role did absolutely not get diminished, if anything it's more important now because players are likely to want to save their bandaids for when a medic isn't nearby. Medics who spend time healing are just as important now as before

[pliant bronze]

i tell people dont revive or dont use their bandage when im nearby

lmao

heck even asked them if the need bandage but game doesnt let me drop bandage

[wooden lagoon]

you can with x

[bitter pumice]

It's hard to generalize when each class gets a different amount but the main point still stands

[warped atlas]

more radical ideas

• make medics selfish bandaging not restore any health
• medic bandages inventory cut to 10
• medic gets infinite bandages(in theory), bandaging/reviving consumes one normally, and it regenerates over time back to 10 after not taking damage for a bit
• teammates can interact with the medic for a bandage (with a shorter cooldown then a medic regenerating a personal one), giving a small xp reward to the medic
• remove bandages from the ammobox
  why?
• kneecaps medic self bandaging restoring HP
• 'infinite' bandages make the medic feel like reviving or stopping someone bleeding doesnt cost them anything since they will regen the bandage back, lowered count to prevent massive necromancy revives and bandage regen stopping on taking damage (not fully) prevents 'peek, hide, and drain their bandages' gameplay
• 'forces' a medic to be a team player without actually feeling forced to do teamwork
• i really dont like the idea of the ammo box giving bandages when we have medics and medboxes

[kindred flame]

nah

and didn't they remove the ability for medics to self-heal with bandadges?

[bitter pumice]

Make a suggestion without making medic unfun challenge (impossible)

[pliant bronze]

yeah i know but have you experienced dropping bandages to oblivion? cuz its a thing lmao

[wooden lagoon]

not yet when ive dropped them ive had no issues ig ive jsut been lucky

[wooden lagoon]

you can self heal with the med box

[kindred flame]

talking about bandages specifically because medics being able to self-heal with those is kinda op

[novel forum]

imho
medic fast bandages shouldn't heal, give them the option of carrying the standard 4 bandages if they want to heal
support slow bandages should heal a little more
armor should just be bonus hp because it doesnt seem to make sense right now

[wooden lagoon]

oh yea you cant heal wit the bandages

[warped atlas]

armor is regional extra hp

it needs a whole lot of poking at tho to be useful past the first fight tho

[bronze mango]

let dropped medic boxes AoE heal allies (like in BF) at a slower rate than direct clicking heal on the dropped medic box

honestly healing others is dummy clunky, I wish they could make it more intuitive

[novel forum]

Ive been playing mostly suppor the last few days and yeah you can certainly feel how that first fight you get in is winnable then you just die XD

[wooden lagoon]

as of rn i think medic has very few maybe no downsides and idk a way to nerf it without killing the class the only thing i can think of is 1. slow down to selfheal 2.the box has to be deployed ( on the ground to heal)

[shy berry]

Tbf you just need to hold right click and target friendly inside 1.5m will get heal. No need to look directly at them. It just they all bloodthirsty and always rush. But that player problems.

[warped atlas]

speaking of that
i kinda want a very light tf2 medic heal 'lock' system
its annoying how i heal one person up to like 97%, my LOS gets broken for like 0.2 seconds because someone jumped in front my face and im now healing person #5

like a light one
not like a 1:1 of tf2's medic

[mental stirrup]

Imo this is a benefit to actual medics because they get to play the game now

[blissful harbor]

Ya I rez a ton but honestly don't take the time to heal others. Just not worth it for me to be vulnerable to heal a 2-6 player

[ashen vessel]

a passive aoe heal medic box that can be dropped adn picked up would be cool

[wide marsh]

Current medic Pros notes @midnight fulcrum

1. The box has unlimited use for self heal at a consisent & steady manner (So a medic can do a patch job in a shorter time than a bandage will 100% of the time)

2. The medics speed is very much able to be high due to a mix of armor & smg's speed bonus

3. Weapon choice is wide ranging and include most of the powerful options right now (Has access to all but 4 weapon types like Engineer)

so to sum up the Pros, they are fast and able to regen faster than anyone else while also having access to SMGs to further enhance movement with the addition of some of the fastest TTK kills (also the scorpion evo)

So with the recent bandage bandaid fix (healing) the medic still has more advantages by a good deal (yes, everyone can use their 4-5 bandages to heal which is limited,take longer to heal and so on, add makes people want to save them for themselves more often than using them to heal teammates I have been noting)

Cons

Can't use RPGs, LCWs, LMGs, Sniper Rifles and DMRs

Idea for some possible solutions (I am most in favor of 1 & 2, but 3 if they do not work out after a month)

1. Change how the medic can heal themselves (So rather than a constant stream as soon as you click, maybe have it be similar to bandaging, you hold down the button & it does a burst of healing after 5-10 seconds, possibly interruptable by any form of damage)

2. Limit their aggressive options (SMGs,PDWs & Carbines all can enable aggression to a large degree, and C4 to a degree, be it less so)

3. Limit their armor options to medium sets

4. Add a healiing constructible for support and/or medic

[weary sand]

To encourage teamplay, was it ever considered to have medics box be able to heal teammates more quickly, and self-heal more slowly?

I feel like this would have a large effect on medics playing with their team (or a buddy at least), and it wouldn't require changing a ton of variables/elements.
I am curious about this because most top players play the greedy medic style, which is action packed and enables them to frag heavily but they instantly pull/release upon getting downed and barely (if ever) revive or heal teammates because they can run in solo and frag/hide/self-heal.

In my mind that forward strike role should be what Assault excels at, and maybe people will start to adopt that role for that with the self-healing bandages.

Was this ever tested or considered?

[waxen dawn]

Still see the vast majority of players still pick Medic but not playing as a Medic. The value you get from self healing including access to the (current) best weapons in the game plus anti vehicle capabilities with C4 gives little incentive to not pick Medic. My spit ball suggestion would be removing SMGs as a class option (with the recent inclusion of them on Assault) and maybe a charge system on Medkits so they’re not an infinite source of healing at a moments notice.

[crimson hull]

assault doesn't have smgs, it has pdws and as val (why no assault scorpion ), if anything medic shouldn't have ars to limit their range and make them not compete with assault as much but honestly medic is in a good place rn, people are just idiots a lot of the time

[brave spruce]

I would say take away the SMGs for medic and keep the ARs. (As much as I like my SMGs)

The speed you get with an smg mix with self healing is crazy and solo medics who don't heal, use those because it's easier to push with. Fast reload with high mobility.

You could say the same with ARs at mid-long range. There is time to heal, however with longer equip time, reload speed, and slower run speed, it does slow medic to a more balanced play imo

[tall cove]

Me reading the 50000000th remove the fast guns from the fast class suggestion

[brave spruce]

I dont think medics should be the fast class, that's part of the problem

[tall cove]

It kinda makes sense

They are running to revive people

And heal

When they’re doing that smgs are their best friend

They are on the frontlines in cqc reviving people

[brave spruce]

100% agreed

[tall cove]

An smg is best suited

[brave spruce]

But thats what solo medics use and not for reviving.

It's a run and gun style with SMG as a medic. Not stop and heal teammates.
For me anyways, that's what I always see solo medics use.

[tall cove]

😔

I kinda do both

[brave spruce]

If there are teammates around, they are priority for me, otherwise I run and gun too and it is so strong lol
I should not feel comfortable in a 1v3

[bitter pumice]

Not turn medic into a sentient heal bot challenge (impossible)

[blissful harbor]

idk why players want to remove/nerf that playstyle so much. Now that the other classes are significantly more viable, why do you care if there's a couple medics running around playing aggro?

Assault is nuts now, especially with the PDWs. Engineer also has SMG and can be just as fast as medic, and can even take their armor off, AND have RPGs for blowing people up behind cover.

Supp is strong as all hell now they can heal themselves.

Snipers do what snipers do.

There's a ton more playstyles now, why try and remove one? Just play what you like, they're all viable now. A ton of the top players are running assault now instead of medic

[bitter pumice]

Cause you have to punish medics for their previous sins

turn them into unfun heal bots that should be fun

[blissful harbor]

The only reason I'm sticking to medic is because I tend to survive long enough so I run out of bandaids on other classes. For anyone who has like a 3 avg or less KDR, other classes are a straight up just better now. Assaults 8 bandages will last you 3-4 fights, supp has even more fights. Engineer is the only class that only gets a 1-3 fights. Recon is fine due to the sniper playstyle not putting them at much risk.

Tbh, one thing I would like to see is the movement penalties reduced in magnitude. With the fix, some of the attachments/armor is simply way to hard on the movespeed, you can get over a 30% movespeed penalty and that is just an insane amount in a shooter.

[bitter pumice]

m200 legit feels like you are running in the end game screen

[blissful harbor]

At most, you should be getting a 15% movespeed penalty, so the effective movespeed ranges from 85-110%, with 110% being light/no armor +smg/quick mags, 100% being standard loadouts with medium armor, ARs/ETC, 85% being heavy guns/exo armor, so the m200/ and exo armor supp players.

Atm I think supp, m200, and some extended mags get down to like 65-70% or something insane, which is just way to hard of a penalty and makes them unuseable

Also need UI improvements so you can better see/visualize the class passives, as well as your final movement stats. You should have a visual indicator on the deploy screen of what your kit is, including your class, class passives, armor class, gun, final movespeed, etc. Atm it's a bit buried, for example, many players genuinely have no idea they can change their armor, I had no idea that was possible until after the game released, and I had done a bunch of playtests. It's just too hidden.

I thinnk that's one of the reasons I see playesr throw out hackusations a ton, they claim speedhacks cus they see players zooming along and don't realize they can equip SMG/Light armor and take off helmet to improve mobility

[brave spruce]

I dont care when its a couple medics, but its not a couple medics. Watching 5-10 medics leaving you after they heal themselves next to your dead body is not fun. (Especially when there is plenty of time to pick someone up)
I get revived more by Snipers and Support then medics and I think that is a problem.

For me anyways, I have yet to see an engi go aggro like medics with smgs, I'm sure it happens, but if at all, way less. Even then, engis are supposed to focus fighting not healing. Like you said though ppl will/can play however they want.

I like running SMG medic, I can reach ppl faster and hold my own in a 1v3 without worry
I just think that playstyle discourages teamplay on a class that's purpose is teamplay. But ig that is more so on the players than the weapons.

[odd cipher]

do you think that sometimes you die in places where a medic doesn't want to risk reviving you to die themselves?

cause i just had a guy yelling at me to revive him while on the other side of the wall were 6 guys immediate and 5 guys behind them in a building

i'm not risking that

tough shit bro

[brave spruce]

Nope.
I'm talkin safe as you can be places lol

[odd cipher]

if you're dead i sincerely doubt it's that safe

[blissful harbor]

idk why people keep saying this, it doesn't match my experience at all. I get rezzed constantly, and I rez constantly, despite being one of those zoom zoom playesr you are talking about.

However, I WILL first clear the area(kill those who killed you), then reload, then bandage/heal myself, THEN rez you. I will also not rez you if you are screaming on the mic for it, because that is literally granting your opponents temporary ESP, nor will I rez you if you are in a TERRIBLE spot for it.

[odd cipher]

^^^^^

i typically don't get rezzed cause i just hold space tbh

[brave spruce]

Yeah see that's what I do, make sure it's clear first then rez

[tall cove]

I think the bandages make medic more useful since bandages are more valuable now

You run out much more often

[odd cipher]

i'm happy to rez people right up until the mic comes on, cause now we're both dead if i sit there and revive you

[brave spruce]

Ig I should explained more/better.
I'm not talking about dumb spots, I'm talking about when it's clear.

[blissful harbor]

Here are my stats - https://i.imgur.com/8XzdWi2.png

You can see that I've been revived for over 10% of my deaths, which is a huge amount. I tend to spacebar and respawn a bit quickly, so that number could be higher, but that's a very good amount of revives, especially for someone who spends most of their time flanking around the enemy, meaning I often die in hostile areas

this whole thing of "I never get rezzed".. I just don't see it or believe it at all. Yea, medics might not literally suicide rush in front of enemy squad in the open to rez you, but that's not a problem and not what medics should be doing to begin with. Most players just give up to quickly, that's something I personally notice(and I'm guilty of it myself), they don't give me a chance to kill the guy who killed them, reset, then rez them.

[odd cipher]

my stats are very similar to yours, this is off topic but what game mode do you play?

[blissful harbor]

maybe a good change would be preventing "giving up" for 5 seconds after dying, which is the timer anyway, just to give players a few seconds to actually take stock of the situation.

I mostly play 32s, which is usually rush(offense) or domination

[odd cipher]

ahhh, my deaths are way higher than yours but i've been in the 127 frontlines, a lot harder to be consistent there if you're not robocat

[blissful harbor]

That's why my win rate is lower, I always play offense so what usually happens is we push to the end in the first half, I swap teams, then the 2nd half the team is demoralized and all spawn sniping and I get a "loss" despite pushing to the end in the first half lul

I don't like 127 much personally, I play it occasionally and can usually get a good number of kills and 5-8 KDR but it's too chaotic, 32s you have much more room for maneuvering and positioning skills and stuff to shine. I'm not the best aimer in the world but I'm very good w/ positioning, timing, etc and have solid aim, so I do better in smaller game modes where I can abuse my positioning skills and focus on long kill streaks instead of just killing 7 players in a single spray

[brave spruce]

Only thing I can think of is different servers and players on(hrs)
Cause it definitely happens for me and again, I'm not talking about dieing in bad spots excepting a medic to sacrifice themselves to run to you. I tap out when I bumrush.
I'm saying how a building is clear, enemies are dead, but they just move on. shrugs

[odd cipher]

yeah, bumping down to 64 has made a huge difference for me. my kd is permanently fucked on stat screen but someday it might be 3+ if i don't get bored before then

[blissful harbor]

That rarely, very rarely happens to me. I mean I can probably count the number of times it's happened on one hand, maybe 2, in all the playtests and 450 games I've played

[brave spruce]

Well I main 127vs127 mode so that might be why

[odd cipher]

it happens a lot in 127 frontline but i expect it, the players there are very sweaty (a lot of aim gods who just wanna battle)

[blissful harbor]

I play that a lot too and it doesn't happen often there for me either. I mostly play 32s but I have a hundred games mixed between 64 and 127s as well.

either way i still don't see that as a reason to try and remove a specific playstyle like some players want. Those players aren't going to rez you, anyway, if you nerf medics.. so what's the point? Just seems like a suggestion borne of spite

especially with the new changes, I can't understand why players want to nerf medics further, instead of focusing on further improving the other classes. Especially movespeed, like what I talked about earlier.

[odd cipher]

i'm still down for c4 replaced with c2

just function as a breaching charge

as a turbo sweat medic, that's literally all i use it for

or occaisionally if i'm dead regardless i'll suicide pact somebody out of spite

if you wanted to gun fight me you shouldve waited another second for me to bandage 🙂

[blissful harbor]

that doesn't bother me, as long as we get to keep interacting with destruction I'm happy. I mostly use it to blow up walls, like 95% of the time, as well.

[brave spruce]

And I understand what your getting at, makes sense. Besides the spite part lol

Player styles as you said.
Mine Ig is classes being more focused on their role then all being killing machines

[odd cipher]

yep. i love the gunplay so much i'd rather the explosives be toned down so i can engage with it more

[brave spruce]

That what I use c4 for on my medic, blasting walls/breaching. Good fun

[odd cipher]

yeah on uhhh multuisland, there's a row of building that are all wall to wall, just break all the walls and now you have like 6 buildings to peek out of windows from

[blissful harbor]

Players seem to have this idea that the roles have to be INCREDIBLY rigid and unfun... I don't much get that mentality.

All classes should be good, but cater towards a specific playstyle or have strengths that are highlighted.

For example, all of them can build, but support is best at it(as well as being best at a slower, more mil-sim gameplay style). All classes can heal, but medic is the best at it. All classes can play at range, but recon is the best. For destruction, engineer is the best with both C4 and rockets, while still having a fast playstyle at the expense of healing. Assault is probably the best all arounder, I think it needs a few small changes still, but it's heading in the right direction at this time and is already being picked up by a ton of top players

[brave spruce]

Same with on the map Wine lol

[blissful harbor]

Locking the classes down so that medic is crap to play but runs around rezzing a ton is...just why? What does that accomplish besides making things less fun all around?

That playstyle is ALREADY supported, why take away other playstyles? The goals of the class system are already being accomplished with these new changes, lean into that and refine it, instead of trying to take away things by forcing classes into such rigid roles based on some loose concept of how milsim players think they should play

[crimson hull]

the most infuriating part is lying around somewhere safe with no enemys anywhere and they just run over you, or even better you lie safe on the frontline and the medic just runs over you to then die 2s later, that is the problem, medics not doing their job when no one else can do it

[blissful harbor]

ok but you realize making changes to medic won't change that, right?

[crimson hull]

nope unfortunatly not, it's just sad to see people pick that class to kill a lot cuz youtuber xyz said it's the meta for killing

[blissful harbor]

ok then don't fucking change it, because the change is meaningless and just makes the game worse...

[crimson hull]

yeah def. although i wouldn't be against limiting medics mobility while healing himself, like putting together mags to limit the absurd medic air strafe 360° healing "strat"

[blissful harbor]

I don't think it's a problem. If you can't kill a target that can't even shoot back it's entirely on you

[crimson hull]

what does that have to do with me not killing a target? if a medic doesn't revive me even tho they logically should if they truly played medic how tf is that on me? what's that logic man xD

[blissful harbor]

You literally JUST typed this...

i wouldn't be against limiting medics mobility while healing himself, like putting together mags to limit the absurd medic air strafe 360° healing "strat"

[crimson hull]

bruh thought you talked about the text above, but still, you can't fucking shoot them if they move at mach 20 in any random direction because of fysicks or the just swan dive behind cover while already healing, or even better running out in the open getting shot at and just shrugging it of since they can just heal while running, that's the whole point, they shouldn't be able to run while healing themself, but even this is just if the medic needs further adjustments to actually do medic shit and not just play assault

[blissful harbor]

no, YOU can't shoot them. But just because YOU can't do something doesn't mean others can't

[crimson hull]

i can shoot them, it's just bs you can fly in the air like an attack littlebird it takes like 10-20 rounds which is just annoying af

just because someone isn't as good as you doesn't mean they shouldn't have a say in game balance btw, games should always be balanced for the average player not the absolute 3+ k/d super sweats my guy

respectable that you can play like that but you're not the majority that tries to have fun sry to tell ya

[blissful harbor]

It can be balanced for both, having outplay potential is not a bad thing. If the game was purely balanced around new players and nothing else, it wouldn't last long because every new player eventually becomes an experienced player. That's something that is entirely unavoidable. There are plenty of things that cater towards bad/casual players in this game as is, at this time there isn't any need to take away harder or more skill intensive mechanics

Besides, by your own admission, it's just annoying because it takes you 20 bullets intead of the normal 3-4. That means it's not as strong as you are making it sound, it's something that can be countered more and easier as your aim improves

[crimson hull]

not new players, average ones and i don't say outplay potential isn't good but the wibbly wobbly of speed medics in the air is just a bit to much for the game imo, doing anything else, alright go ahead but healing is kinda "op" with that, but anyways that should probaly only be looked at if medics become to meta again to reel in their offensive flanking capabilities in a little bit, requiring more strategic, tactical healing then just sprint sprint circle and dodging bullets like Neo

but anyways medic is good where it is rn, just some people don't realize they play medic, not assault

[vocal dagger]

Yea, Imo smg speed buffs shouldn't stack nearly as well with no armor

That and a generalized ar recoil reduction could get them to still be usable and shine a bit more with their mid range capabilities

[crimson hull]

actually good idea

[strange jasper]

With the latest self healing update, I think that if a medic drops their medkit, it should give players back their bandages at a discounted price compared to the normal and heavy ammo kits that assault and support have.

OR

Make it clear that medics can drop bandages. I've asked several medics in the past few days to drop me a few bandages and they drop their medkit because they didn't even know they could drop bandages

[blissful harbor]

good idea; however bandages can't be dropped atm, they are bugged, they disapear.

That should be fixed; and an icon on HUD appear on the bandaids so they are easy to spot

[strange jasper]

didnt even realize they were bugged, i guess that explains it lol

[delicate rune]

Or the bandages phase through the ground or straight up disappear OkiPls

[stuck pawn]

Is there a reason the medic cannot equip a light backpack?

[obsidian urchin]

We need a option to select "Teammate Medic Backpack Color" green or blue will be fine. Red backpack color for teammates is confusing in CQC time to time.

[odd cipher]

^^^^^^

[smoky horizon]

I'd go with green. Since the medic box cross is already the green version right.

Can't have Red Cross suing 😂

[toxic plaza]

Medic is fine

[obsidian urchin]

tbh medic still the best class in the game cuz that bandage change buffed medic also

[smoky horizon]

Medic being able to speed off while healing and lean spamming is one hella combined headache 😂

[cerulean creek]

Might be a bit controversial but here is an idea:

-Remove bangades from the supply boxes.
-Replace the first aid kit utility to be a bandage box.(Reduce medics base bandage carrying limit)
-Allow medic to use his own bandages to heal other players for 60 hp, regardless if they are bleeding or not.
-Allow all classes to heal each other with bandages for 30 hp.

The idea is to make bandages the unified single healing method and make the medic the class capable of supplying them.

Bandage dropping is a underused mechanic and I think having a bandage box would be a bit more straight forward.

[crimson hull]

dropping bandages is underused because it does not work

[pliant bronze]

it works but its just sometimes or more often sends the bandages to oblivion

[crimson hull]

and making bandages the universal source of healing is, not great imo, firstly medic suffers under your idea because he is not as usefull anymore in team play and secondly why would you even need the medkit anymore, it's not very thought out i think no offense, i think medic rn is pretty well balanced (apart from having the evo while assault doesn't and i think i will mention this everywhere 'till i get an answer as to why not)

[molten bay]

reduce penalty of medic dragging ppl pls

or give medic human grabber which can fish dead bodies from afar

[cerulean creek]

I mean, the medkit would be there for supplying bandages and not directly healing,the healing would come from the ability to bandage other players regardless of bleeding, for extra HP from what if they bandaged themselves, with the faster bandaging on top of that.

The idea is not to make medic weaker, but to balance it around the bandage healing mechanic.

[molten bay]

so uh, maybe remove bandage from supply boxes and make it exclusively replenished from med boxes?

[crimson hull]

hmm maybe for later but rn it really doesn't need that

[cerulean creek]

Yep

[molten bay]

Sounds solid ngl, assault is being op atm able to small ammo box himself and has a large array of arsenals while having a very good passive combat bonus

[pliant bronze]

op? lmao

[crimson hull]

xD

[pliant bronze]

with the new changes

assault class can finally be assault

[crimson hull]

where? i wanna see a world where ass-ault is op, i (main) use it but i can't use the scorpion which i want to use rn so medic it is again

[cerulean creek]

Assault is actually pretty strong in the survivability aspect, small ammo boxes allow you to heal yourself consistently.

[crimson hull]

yes ofc but it's far from op medic is still meta for the cod players

[cerulean creek]

"Op" was a bit of an exaggeration ngl

[pliant bronze]

if you remove bandages from small ammo boxes

its gonna be like the medic run and gun again

cuz medics the only one who can refill it

[crimson hull]

the cod players still use medic because they have 20 bandages

[cerulean creek]

Something that could be used in a way to give classes like the assault and support their own type of survivability is armor replanishment.

[bitter pumice]

bandage resupplying is already a problem since the ones medic drops disappear

why would you want to remove them from supply boxes

[pliant bronze]

nah he wants it on the medkit

instead of a supply boxes

[bitter pumice]

that sucks even more lmao

nobody bothers dropping them

[pliant bronze]

i mean thats literally what bandages is but only hp

[bitter pumice]

supports should be able to replenish armor ngl

armor only replenishing on respawn kinda sucks

[cerulean creek]

The idea is making that dropping the medkit actually useful.

[pliant bronze]

who said medkit is useless right now

you can literally drop it

and give people heals even tho you are like in a distance

[cerulean creek]

Dropping it is not something i see people doing, more often people just get bandages out of a supply box and heal that way.

[bitter pumice]

you can add bandages on top

bandages are already limited enough that people don't want to revive people

removing them from other sources will just push people towards playing medic again

[molten bay]

Yup, I stopped resurrecting random pals after 2.0 if I’m not medic

[bitter pumice]

the idea was to give other classes hp sustain so that they can do shit without being medic's pets

[pliant bronze]

which is fine

gives support more purpose

gives assault class more assaulting power

new system somehow makes medic in need since they can infinitely heal anyone

and make people not waste their bandage

[bitter pumice]

But it also causes people to not revive anyone else

only if they are medic or there's a supply box nearby

the bandage change without a change to the amount is just shortsighted

Instead of being only medic's pet now you are the pet of supply box and medic

[crimson hull]

and the support

[bitter pumice]

supports drop supply boxes mate

[crimson hull]

ofc you can resupply there?

[molten bay]

The change is significant enough to make me want to run the backpack giving one more large supply box

[bitter pumice]

ofc it is you are the pseudo medic now

this is why I didn't like the bandages giving health idea in the first place

now the bandages are too important

[molten bay]

maybe make it like vehicles, only medic can heal to full, bandage not?

[bitter pumice]

so important in fact I started acting selfishly, not reviving people and calling in supply boxes for my own use

[bitter pumice]

This just makes it as bad as pre bandage change

[molten bay]

Better than not being able to heal at all and can die to a flashbang?

[bitter pumice]

every class NEEDS to be able to get their health back somehow

[bitter pumice]

being a bit better than absolute shit is not something to be happy about

[molten bay]

idk, why would you think it’s only a bit better

I’m not suggesting you heal 10 instead of 40

[bitter pumice]

because everyone except medic will be at a disadvantage when taking a second fight

[pliant bronze]

anyway

if you jsut want medkit to be a useful drop without changing others

just make medic medkit give bandages instead of heals

[bitter pumice]

or increase the heal speed

[molten bay]

I mean, everyone already are at disadvantage fighting second fight due to armor strip

[bitter pumice]

not really, what if you are not fighting a fresh spawn?

even then the armor being gone makes hp even more precious

we saw what happened when only medic was allowed to heal, people ran medic just so they could heal themselves

to stop this other classes need a way to sustain their health that is not dependent on someone else providing for them

it shouldn't be as fast as medic's heal but it has to be there

[cerulean creek]

Most of this comes from the tactical shooter squad based roots of the game.

Being dependent on your squad mates was a intended part of the gameplay, it just didn't translate well to the nee arcade style of game BB now is

[valid saddle]

... that reminds me of discussions of self-heal on DBD. people sitting in corners self-healing and being useless for minutes at a time each time they get hit because they're too scared to get downed. please just accept that you'll die sometimes. it's a casual game, is it not?

[bitter pumice]

That much is clear, so it should just be moved into the hardcore mode. It just doesn't fit the pace of the current game.

[bitter pumice]

Dying is the fail state of the game, people naturally want to avoid it

[valid saddle]

well, you're setting yourself up for frustration with that kind of expectation

[bitter pumice]

Man what?

Casual or not people don't like to lose games, it feels extra bad when you feel like you lost unfairly

[ionic pawn]

i also like this one because i think doing surgery on yourself / dealing with your own wounds would be more dificult than doing those to others.

[brave spruce]

You run slower with the first-aid kit equipped the with your primary. I think medic should be faster holding the aid kit or at least alittle faster than currently. Annoying to chase players that need heals or are running around calling for one and you cant catch them smh

[smoky horizon]

Medics holding med kits and healing are fast enough as it.

If anything, they should be slowed while using the med kit. So they can't speed away from fights and recover hp at the same time.

[brave spruce]

Right sorry, I meant when not healing themselves.
If they are healing someone who is running it'd be nice to be able to keep up with them to finish the heal. Then again if a player is gonna keep running away...

[pliant bronze]

did you guys know you can ping people as a medic to heal them?\

and the guy that needs healing will see this big white text on his screen

lmao

tho it needs a little fixing tho cuz the hitbox is so small

for the ping it goes thru the player sometimes

[brave spruce]

I've tried that for days amd have yet to ping someone that way or have someone ping me for heals. I think that feature got removed...
Be nice if we could do that

[pliant bronze]

its still there

its just the hitbox for the ping is small

you know ahve you experience pinging a tank but it wont ping

its like that bad

[brave spruce]

Must be even smaller than that cause I've tried pinging a over their dead body 😭
That's good to know! I'll keep trying and it definitely needs to be fix

[nova echo]

I just saw this happen to me for the first time last a few days ago.
I think the person who pinged me did it on accident because they just walked over my body and ran away. When I respawned, the indicator was still there for a couple more seconds.

[stark dawn]

i think that smoke GL need to buff a lot

[rapid flower]

medic revive speed need to be faster by like 30-40%, battlefield has smaller gameplay scale = less people to save but it still has fast revive speed to get you back to shooting faster, why can this game has that revive speed when it already has that kind of cod fast pace movement, and we also need a better way of healing too, like in bf5 you just need to throw a medpack and that's done

[cedar rune]

Healing definetly needs to be automatic once you thrown a bag/kit onto ground^

Milsim trihards infesting battlebit discord

[crimson hull]

try not to copy battlefield for game "improvements" challenge, impossible

srsly this is its own game not
what-if-battlefield-and-roblox-had-a-child

[cedar rune]

Cope

Dont try to reinvent the wheel

[fast comet]

Can we stop trying to make the support even more useless than it already is

[crimson hull]

do invent the wheel again and it works, if you wanna play battlefield, play battlefield

[cedar rune]

Thats how the game is marketed and that where the game would shine the most

[bitter pumice]

Wonder why the game has an identity problem? This lmao

[cedar rune]

Battlefield is shite now and battlebit is doing a decent job at occupying its market gap left wide open

[crimson hull]

just because something is advertised a certain way doesn't mean it is a certain way

[cedar rune]

Milsim mental acrobatics

[crimson hull]

my man play the old battlefields if you really need that

[bitter pumice]

my guy that'd be false advertising lmao

[cedar rune]

I played battlefield 4 for 8 years

[vocal dagger]

Guys guys guys what if we make the game even FASTER?
look we delete every weapon but smgs, double movespeed and add passive regen
That will totally make the game better

[cedar rune]

But all the servers i liked died thanks to low population

[crimson hull]

yeah that's a you problem

[fast comet]

I can assure you that adding slow passive regen will not make the game faster by any metric

[cedar rune]

Doesnt invalidate anything ive said

[vocal dagger]

Idk this game already feels closer to cod than anything else

[bitter pumice]

guys guys what if we try to combine two completely opposing game styles that'll totally work

[fast comet]

That's because medic is busted and 60% of lobbies are medics

[crimson hull]

this game should have its own identity not just, "ohh hmm battlefield worked like this, let's make it more like battlefield"

[cedar rune]

From bf 4 ive seen what works and what doesnt

[fast comet]

And medics won't even feel the addition of passive regen

[cedar rune]

🤷‍♂️

[cedar rune]

It already is a battlefield with some milsim mechanics

😂

[crimson hull]

the healing and gun mechanics just make this game what it is, taking that away to make it battlefield but with bad graphics is just dumb

[vocal dagger]

That are rendered mostly useless by run and gun qcb medics

[crimson hull]

yeah keep those ffs

[cedar rune]

Yea exactly

Just remove/tweak those milsim mechanics

Glad we can agree on that

[vocal dagger]

Ewww no

Fick that

[cedar rune]

[vocal dagger]

The milsim mechanics are the GOOD part

[cedar rune]

No

[vocal dagger]

[cedar rune]

Whats the fun in holding a button down for +10 secs just to heal

Breaks the quick paced flow of the game

[bitter pumice]

milsim parts are the broken parts lmao

[crimson hull]

i think it's just a you problem, you can't adjust and don't want to learn the game, learn it and stop crying about its milsim parts

[bitter pumice]

we have been arguing about how to make the game feel less shit but also include the milsim elements

it's not a learning thing mate

milsims are not hard games

[crimson hull]

what

[vocal dagger]

It forces you to choose between healing now and healing later
It makes things more high stakes and gives tactics actual uses
Of course not right now with everyone having rocket boots

[cedar rune]

Im better than you mate stop talking nonsense

[bitter pumice]

milsims are not some hard games where you need to "learn" or "adapt"

[crimson hull]

idc, just don't try to make the game worse

[cedar rune]

T milsim enjoyer

[vocal dagger]

They aren't, but they are much more engaging and fun than the mind numbing slog of w+ recoil control

[bitter pumice]

milsim enjoyers have this fucking sense of superiority they cannot get rid of for the life of them

[cedar rune]

Milsims are yawn fest

[vocal dagger]

God I hope this game gets the hard-core mode fast so I can actually enjoy a game without land jets on it

[crimson hull]

milsims have pacing ffs, if you take away these elements out of the game it's just hit and run zoom adventure

[brave spruce]

Funny, cause I see both arcade and milsims in this discord. Trying to have it fit their styles.
I'm coming from Planetside 2 and I liked the pace of that game it was a mix of both.

There is a hard-core mode that they want to add, which will have slightly different macanics, like medics taking longer to revive, longer spawn times more milsim so hopefully both parties will get what they want

[bitter pumice]

my brother in christ it's already a fast paced zoom fest

[vocal dagger]

The issue at hand:

[bitter pumice]

you just have weird shit like bleeding and limited heals that leaves both groups unsatisfied

[crimson hull]

but atleast it has some pacing to it, the changes your friend here wants to make would turn it into fucking cod with 254 players