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#Player feedback seems absolutely useless. Oki should host community votes for future changes.
cunning shell
high needle
PLEASE LISTEN OKI ILL DOO ANYTHINGGGGG
weak sedge
All forms of input are ok as long as they're taken with a grain of salt. I really don't think any 1 method is best.
queen iron
fr
now wheres my creator skin?
high needle
democracy 🦅
dreamy frost
fr
now wheres my creator skin?
already told you why. you ranked dev skin an F.
patent forum
already told you why. you ranked dev skin an F.
it's poopy though
queen iron
already told you why. you ranked dev skin an F.
DESERVED
ashen charm
already told you why. you ranked dev skin an F.
very bad skin 
high needle
no but seriously this is a big problem and oki needs to listen!
grand dawn
Balls
dreamy frost
very bad skin <:BhinaBlueBlu:1110325255723040799>
internet is forever.
ashen charm
internet is forever.
formal trench
i think oki listens better then most, i just think he does shit way too impulsively before hand, that results in having shit that nobody asked for/we think are useless instead when he could proposing multiple ideas and seeing which one could implemented into what he wants for this game
instead of just listening to all the frothing mouth people they want an assault buff and not give any real input or a way u could improve assault to make it fit into this game
midnight narwhal
instead of just listening to all the frothing mouth people they want an assault ...
or hold a vote on shit before implementation
outer star
interesting
nimble peak
sometimes the community how do i say this nicely is retarded
steep scroll
You make some very good points
formal trench
or hold a vote on shit before implementation
yeah or just bring different ideas to the table that have been voting on by the communitu
patent forum
outer star
make a video
i should make a vlog in china in an internet cafe
midnight narwhal
yeah or just bring different ideas to the table that have been voting on by the ...
which leads back to actually reading suggestions and feedback that has a shit ton of votes or comments
ashen charm
midnight narwhal
i should make a vlog in china in an internet cafe
keep that shit out of here smh
we talkin ab serious ish
high needle
decimal no
nimble peak
which leads back to actually reading suggestions and feedback that has a shit to...
if there are 10k players at peak would you say 200 likes is majority?
nimble peak
wouldnt atleast 5k likes be majority
high needle
VIVE LA BATTLEBIT
midnight narwhal
if there are 10k players at peak would you say 200 likes is majority?
holding a vote remedies this 
nimble peak
incinuating a change by majority rules?
midnight narwhal
HOLD A VOTE
formal trench
like not to put me on a pedastal but look up assault ideas in suggestion https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1115976872858230784 although its not much people upvoting i think maybe he can bring up to a way wider audience since most dont look at suggestions then have a voting then
maybe toss in his own ideas
nimble peak
holding a vote remedies this <:shrug:905988894779134043>
but id say if 200 people vote unfair to res 9.8 k
formal trench
ect
formal trench
but id say if 200 people vote unfair to res 9.8 k
i agree
midnight narwhal
but id say if 200 people vote unfair to res 9.8 k
there are multiple ways to hosting votes though
oki has done polls in game
it'd be mad work but this is the place where feedback is posted
outer star
i think y’all gotta understand that #1019712628970508338 and #1019647856770023554 is literally a way for people to dump their ideas instead of spamming the general chat with them
midnight narwhal
literally
ivory hare
nimble peak
yes in game but changing some mechanice for few is not quite fair wouldnt you say?
outer star
i don’t think it has much use LMAO i’m ngl
formal trench
but maybe oki even bringing uo to those 9.8k maybe a lot of them might like it, and if they dont they can simply down vote them
nimble peak
but maybe oki even bringing uo to those 9.8k maybe a lot of them might like it, ...
yes tru maybe the issue is getting many people to vote on changes for the game as we havent seen that done before
outer star
idk game devving is hard esp balancing shit out lmao
formal trench
i dont want to sit here and make it seem like oki dont listen cuz he honestly does way better then most game devs but i just feel he can go a tad bit better with him implementation of balances
outer star
well
ur vision isnt always going to be his vision of the game
and end of the day
his vision and his implementation matters more
cus he’s the lead dev 💀
midnight narwhal
but if his implementations are redundant and overall negative to gameplay why the fuck wouldn't he listen to the community
outer star
if i was lead dev fuck i would bring back asval and engi speed.. i thought it was perfectly balancing cus u were p much 1 shot n shit but that’s a hot take in some form
we can be here all day talking abt the maps
midnight narwhal
more-so redundant
formal trench
well i think he does listen to the community cuz he has added shit and done things that overall we needed in the game to make it fun and more balanced. yeah sure its not alwsys the step in the right direction but this is where maybe the community can step in and maybe give him a different insight then what he thought cuz nobody thinks the same
outer star
Some games listen to their casual player base instead of the comp scene so their comp player base dies out ; and some games listen to the comp players so their casual player base dies out
it’s hard to find a balance
i don’t think u can fault oki or anyone for that
frank thicket
vilaskis listening to maps suggestion 
outer star
vilaskis listening to maps suggestion <:Clueless:1005416660628418630>
LMAOAOAOAO
formal trench
kinda like taking him out of his own box/comfort zone and maybe he likes some of those ideas and brings it up to the bigger masses thats dope, maybe he doesnt but the wider community might agree and he may come to follow after some explanation is done
nimble peak
Some games listen to their casual player base instead of the comp scene so their...
but again this game want made for comp ive heard oki state how he hates how fast ttk and overall the movement of this game is
soo isnt comp the minority in this instance
outer star
ofc
nimble peak
trying to make rules for the majority?
outer star
so people that enjoy fast pace.. fast ttk r gonna be driven away and find a new game to play
but that’s totally fine
nimble peak
yes and this instance is the minority which doesnt effect the overall gaping majority
formal trench
i just feel like oki should be a tad bit more patient and open with his balance changes
nimble peak
my issues is that no suggestions are made in favor of both scenes
they just benefit one side all time
formal trench
instead of just changing shit on a whim is what it sorta feels like
outer star
name one game dev that has j listened to the community like even 50%
formal trench
my issues is that no suggestions are made in favor of both scenes
shiiiii not mines
upvote my shit
formal trench
gang gang
outer star
smh
nimble peak
i did
formal trench
my man
light lark
name one game dev that has j listened to the community like even 50%
Deep rock devs
formal trench
true
nimble peak
https://discord.com/channels/303681520202285057/1114677930073796628
why isnt this guy banned yet chat?
light lark
Ghost ship legit never misses
nimble peak
LMAOO Jk
light lark
my issues is that no suggestions are made in favor of both scenes
I made one that benefits slow play and fast play
U just have to be good at suggesting
And post it at the perfect time so people are awake
outer star
why isnt this guy banned yet chat?
😕
formal trench
i dont know i jsut want more discussions like the shit we had the other day
even tho the assault buff was okay it was syill a step in the right direction
ivory hare
My idea is that, the game has yet to enter early access, and early access doesn't even mean full release, there are still tweaks and changes.
Oki himself is stressed to the bone for EA and faceit and legal issues and a billion more things. We should take things one at a time instead of forcing him to take action ASAP.
The whole assault thing was literally because people keep bringing up unrelated stuff when Oki ask for anything he should put in the game description. And he also said if things turns out not favored by the community he can always revert it. Idek what all this fuss is about but stop giving him more work.
midnight narwhal
My idea is that, the game has yet to enter early access, and early access doesn'...
bro completely missed the point
ivory hare
<:shut:793324405785755670>
Stfu
light lark
My idea is that, the game has yet to enter early access, and early access doesn'...
He wanted us to give downsides to playing in the game description like that's just a terrible idea objectively
warm forge
The problem with taking community feedback is that most of them are unfiltered sewage from a collective of mouth-shitters that don't use more than 5 neurons to THINK about their suggestion, WHY it's needed, WHAT could be changed, HOW it can be implemented and HOW it would affect the game, no, they simply see something they don't like and instantly start shitcoptering a bunch of short sighted, thoughtless changes, and the good and well though-out suggestions that actually addresses the ROOT of the issues get either absolutely BURROWED under the pile of shit or just cast aside/memed one because "Too long, didn't read".
midnight narwhal
The problem with taking community feedback is that most of them are unfiltered s...
votes
remedy this issue
light lark
False
midnight narwhal
community votes on what Oki is going to implement
ivory hare
He wanted us to give downsides to playing in the game description like that's ju...
It might be genius, who knows.
high needle
we need like a very specific proble mto be adressed with a vote. Like something that cant me ministerprited and shit
light lark
It might be genius, who knows.
Would you like to buy my bridge? It isn't structurally sound but it looks pretty
warm forge
votes
False, there are a bunch of superficial changes suggestions that get upvoted because people see "This don't like, make it not don't like" and ignore anything else without giving a second though. Just insta upvote
ivory hare
Would you like to buy my bridge? It isn't structurally sound but it looks pretty
I would for decorating a pond and no one would walk on it.
warm forge
I'm not disagreeing with you though, sam, I'm just adding my opinion to the point
ivory hare
I just want EA before we deal with all this shit 
midnight narwhal
False, there are a bunch of superficial changes suggestions that get upvoted bec...
Not necessarily though. If polls give detailed info on pressing changes, like assault or medic, I think it'd be an overall good change to the community. Say there's a poll held for a possible assault change, it could be pit up for a week with detailed changes
I think things like GAMEMODES
should be at the forefront before balancing
but that's just my opinion all the GMs suck cock right now
and if we go 4 months into EA with the same game modes im going to tweak
no one plays anything but conquest and that's an honest issue
nimble peak
no one plays anything but conquest and that's an honest issue <:shrug:9059888947...
to whom?
ivory hare
Time to rigged the system
nimble peak
the minority of players who want a faster game mode?
ivory hare
Rig the vote Oki so people play more than just conq
nimble peak
again the thing that this game implements is best fitted for conq how would you implement vehicles into smaller maps?
midnight narwhal
the minority of players who want a faster game mode?
doesn't have to be a faster gamemode it's just that conquest is the only gamemode that fully offers the battlebit experience
vehicles and big player size
nimble peak
doesn't have to be a faster gamemode it's just that conquest is the only gamemod...
correct what other game mode would do this?
midnight narwhal
correct what other game mode would do this?
KING OF THE HILL
ivory hare
Voxel mode
midnight narwhal
^
nimble peak
with 254 players?
ivory hare
Voxel with 254 is funny af
midnight narwhal
you can do it with any amount of players
nimble peak
show me proof and why large scale games are usually only a royal mode or conq
midnight narwhal
show me proof and why large scale games are usually only a royal mode or conq
KOTH is a large scale gamemode though 
outer star
end of the day, we’ve been asking for a salhan building levolution rework for god knows how long now
midnight narwhal
in arma 3 it's played with 100 players if you double it it's even more fun
outer star
it’s ggs
warm forge
Not necessarily though. If polls give detailed info on pressing changes, like as...
Thing is: the first thing that needs to be done before suggesting a change is thinking:
Why is the change needed?
If it's a problem, what's the root of the problem
How does it affect other aspects of the game
And THEN you think about
What change can be made within the scopes of the game
How can those changes affect the game
Gather opinion
Repeat if the change turns out to be bad
Push it and test it if it sounds good.
Most changes that are suggested skip the "problem assessment" part and just go straight to the "suggest", without any thought, and since people don't have patience to take their time and THINK, they see things superficially, judge the book by its cover and cast their votes (weird parallel to politics lmao whatever)
ivory hare
Remove the concrete from frugis pls
nimble peak
KOTH is a large scale gamemode though <:Facepalm:806600670530502676>
last time i played KOTH was in middle school seem like a low player game to me 
midnight narwhal
last time i played KOTH was in middle school seem like a low player game to me <...
nah bro I think we're thinking of different modes
nimble peak
link me the mode
nimble peak
how many people does this server hold in total at max?
formal trench
100
nimble peak
LMAOOOO
steep scroll
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=893086259
Cool
nimble peak
again you are making suggestions from past user experience i think the scale at which oki has the game mode is very difficult to implement anything other than conq, in the dreamhack play test on construction havin an avg player base of 140 felt as if the map was empty i think you should reconsider your input as if you were making a game with a higher player base at start
how would you make a game mode that doesnt feel clogy and yet expansive i think conq and the current maps do this cohesively, again many perspective are from small player comps not large scales as we seen with this game
midnight narwhal
how would you make a game mode that doesnt feel clogy and yet expansive i think ...
this gamemode works on every single big map in the game with the max player count
ivory hare
Conq is just players running in circle tf u mean
grand dawn
how would you make a game mode that doesnt feel clogy and yet expansive i think ...
Give a reason to not zerg
nimble peak
wdym
grand dawn
Idk uhh
Think its partly game mode is too non linear and mostly maps have somewhat small or thin pois and too much dead space
lean rover
omo
worthy scaffold
ok
devout kindle
or hold a vote on shit before implementation
Holding a vote is terrible idea. People will vote against something just to spite someone even if a suggestion would be objectivly good and beneficial for the game. Especially when it would be made on DC where there is only a part of comunity. Unless voting would be directyl in the gamez it would be just toxic.
quartz holly
Honestly I tend to side with the creatives on this one. I know as a fan it can seem really important to want to be part of the process and have some impact on the direction of the game, but...
Aside from some blatant disrespect to some source material or total misdirection, I think the reader/gamer/whatever is usually right when they say something is wrong, but not about how it should be fixed.
They're working from a position of knowing all about how the sauce is made. We, as players, can tell the mix of spices isn't quite right, but we don't have all the information and I don't think it's fair to assume they should try to pick through the deluge of potential fixes for known issues from players who don't have all the info.
quartz lichen
I think before balancing the game we first need to balance the good to bad suggestions ratio.
In the current meta bad suggestions are too OP, there are way more bad suggestions than good one, so we need to nerf bad suggestions and buff good suggestions more. Even then the good suggestions aren't actually good as it seems
silver coyote
Honestly I tend to side with the creatives on this one. I know as a fan it can s...
Right on point
oblique aurora
Vote glow squid!
timid venture
Today ushered in a new balance change
grand dawn
Today ushered in a new balance change
And probably gave some people brain damage
frank thicket
And probably gave some people brain damage
could not stand being in that vc so i played war thunder
timid venture
And the Assault buff, which inexplicably happened while I was sleeping about this discussion
Then it was updated
wth?
visual flower
Be respectful & use the search before posting. Got new idea's & improvements you want to share? Send em' all in here!cuz i didnt give a sh1t Vote ✅ if you support the suggestion. BUT IT WONT BE SUPPORT BY ME.Suggestions may be closed & locked, a moderator will explain why in your suggestion, they are not gone, just not open to replies. BECUZ JUST WE WANT.
grim kraken
shesh mans spitting da truth
exotic vault
true,dude