MINIMAP NEEDED

[low tinsel]

Guys there is a serious problem when it comes to orienting yourself, i usually play with some friends and its annoying to open the map to see where they are everytime, there should be a minimap.
also the pings are not visible at all, there should be different ping for Friends, Squad and Side

[hardy anchor]

This has been suggested multiple times

There will not be a minimap in BBR

[low tinsel]

why not?

its literally impossible to find your friends on the map

[surreal sinew]

Just tap m

Or look for their dots on screen

[tacit thorn]

You need M key push.;;

[leaden tinsel]

They are marked by different colors, it was added some time ago - your party members, squad members and Steam friends has different size and color

[low tinsel]

yeah it's so convenient to remove your hand from the mouse and place it on the keyboard to press M right?
also it covers up half screen when opened and the way it's designed make it difficult to even tell you which direction you are looking

[low tinsel]

yeah but as you might know there are 127 players on one team and its difficult to see even a different color with al the dots on the screen, also i somethimes think that they are behind the wall when they are across the map

[leaden tinsel]

you can make normal players very tiny and light-blue, and your mates big and red ;p

[lapis cypress]

A minimap is a staple of casual shooters

arguing against it on a casual gamemode is ridiculous

[fleet cargo]

You can press M which brings up your map, you can press enter and bring up your squad screen. A map and your busy list next to it, like a respawn screen. If you wanna see your squad maxes exactly, click the name of the mate your looking for, and it will put a map cursor on them.

[lapis cypress]

And all of that could be done in a minimap so people don't have to literally stay still and have a map cover their entire screen like they were playing freaking skyrim instead of a zerg shooter

[low tinsel]

that is what im saying

[lapis cypress]

Yeah but white knights are dope

[low tinsel]

"you can press M" i know, im not stupid, but its so annoying, also if there is already a big map, why not make a minimap? it would only help more the orientation of the player

[lapis cypress]

They can't see that, they can't understand you want a minimap to navigate, specially in Urban maps where there's a labyrinthine layout

They presume a lot, think too little

[low tinsel]

Also there are 250 players in one lobby

[lapis cypress]

My guess is people are confused with the "casual" mode we're playing right now and they don't want it to be too casual cause there's no hardcore alternative, cause it makes absolutely 0 sense to argue for no minimap on BBR CASUAL

But alas that's like saying the game will never have Shotguns, it's like making a french omelet without egg cause you don't like eggs but really like omelet

[low tinsel]

ahhahaha

yeah i really dont understand if they want to make the game realistic like some sort of squad with minimal interface or if they want it more battlefield style

[lapis cypress]

Technically Oki prefers the hardcore experience, I personally fall on the same side of the fence, but the reality is we don't have that hardcore experience right now and we're working with a casual style

which imho confuses people

[low tinsel]

so he prefers that, but you can acces the map anyways by pressing M, so whats the point?

[lapis cypress]

Cause we're Technically playing casual, not hardcore

as far as I know that's how servers are labelled

[hollow flame]

To be completely honest a minimap would be a game changer for how this game is played, and I personally think it should have one

But I can tell you this; it won’t have a minimap. Lmao.

[lapis cypress]

My two cents, just give it to the community and let us do with the game what we actually think would fit

cause if the game is going to be limited for subjective personal reasons people will keep complaining

Week one of workshop support: Minimap, Shotgun and more LMGs

[low tinsel]

yeah i just dont see the meaning of trying to make something "hardcore" but also not making it hardcore

[lapis cypress]

it might be one of the things that puzzle me the most honestly

Why there's no Hardcore and Casual modes, escapes me

Please delay the launch again.

OR, be ready to expand like a madman when release comes and deploy a freaking massive first update that lays the foundation for all of the gaping holes the game has conceptually

Class rework, Casual and Hardcore experience, KOTH and the other modes, Ground vehicles rework, More of certain guns, Night mode, Clans + Competitive scenario, Workshop support, Community hosted servers, to name a few

More deployables for gods sake

[hollow flame]

Have you played Insurgency Sandstorm

[lapis cypress]

Squad points rework, Non verbal communication, Squad coordination tools

[low tinsel]

yeah, i also played the first one

but its different you dont get 120 people to run over you in insurgency sandstorm

[hollow flame]

I’d love that

[rough solstice]

is it that hard to press m ? instead of minimap with is not quick realistic they should make the map a bit more clearer so you can read it faster .

[low tinsel]

no but it's annoying to stop, click m, check the map, which is unreadable and you cant tell which direction you are facing, and then close it

[rough solstice]

making it more readable would be better and keep it real enough

or just look at the compass

[low tinsel]

you cant determine where you are just by using the compass

and you cant tell where the majority of the team is going just with the compass

[rough solstice]

you can use the compass to remember in what direction you were going

idk maybe i have a good map awareness and dont need a minimap

[low tinsel]

yeah but if you have a huge map and you see milions of dots running around it's not easy to determine which way the whole team is going

[lapis cypress]

I love when the game spawns everyone facing the wrong way and half the team just keeps running towards the edge of the map

"Is it that hard to press m"

[spice elm]

So many skill issues in this thread.

[green trench]

You can also just rebind the map key to something easier to press…

[potent ridge]

are your hands tiny. i can use the map with the same hand that’s on my keyboard

[lofty bronze]

It would show a limited area wouldn’t be very useful for finding squad mates

Just like other people said

Make the team markers bigger

[twilit kindle]

demonstrably false

[hollow flame]

Is pressing M and having a giant map of the entire area and all of your team’s positions on it realistic? Lmao

[low tinsel]

Then you are retarded

Cause you can’t run or move when the map is opened

[low tinsel]

That’s what I’m saying

[twilit kindle]

gonna give you a chance to recant this

[potent ridge]

yea you can ???

what ???

you can’t like turn but you can still run

[lofty bronze]

First of all

Saying that does not benefit your argument in any way

Second of all

Makes you look like a dumbass

So not recommended

[lofty bronze]

To your original argument a minimap would be small and only show things nearby

And it’s kinda really easy to find squad mates if they are close without the map

[green cape]

How about removing the bearing from the screen and adding a compass you have to pull out like the map, also make the map an equipable :D

[lofty bronze]

Eh don’t feel like it fits the gameplay. More of a squad type thing

[green cape]

I don't feel like it would make such a big difference, i only use the bearing for maybe 1 second at a time so removing the clutter from the ui would be nice (maybe some hardcore mode with reduced ui)

[potent ridge]

are you pressing enter ??

[twilit kindle]

spastic

[lofty bronze]

Your finger would literally have to be like 10 inches long

[potent ridge]

can your wrists not move ?

are you a lego

pivot the finger on w and use thumb to press m👍🏼

[lofty bronze]

Yea if there’s a more hardcore game mode then an equip-able map & compass would be cool

[lofty bronze]

Hmmmmm

[lofty bronze]

Yea I guess

I just looked

I thought the m was farther than it was

[potent ridge]

yeah it’s not that far

[lofty bronze]

Anyways

Mini maps

[potent ridge]

the dev has always stated they won’t be added in the base game

[low tinsel]

now try turning

[twilit kindle]

nice backpedal

🤓 you can't run or move when the map is opened
ok nerd

[jaunty canopy]

I check my map constantly and have never had any issue orienting myself in game. I have 8+ people I play with of varying skill levels and never once has anyone said "I can't find my team" or "the map is hard to use" seems like a skill issue OP

[low tinsel]

ok retard, i was just suggesting something usefull, a map is already in the game, why not make it a minimap too? as all shooters?

[sharp python]

Hey less of this, maybe you need to read the #rules again, there's no need for this, surely you can have a discussion, without resorting to childish behaviour/name calling..

[twilit kindle]

smoothbrain blueposter literally making shit up on the spot

gets mad when called out

[low tinsel]

oh yeah i say retard, i get warned

dude what the fuck is wrong with this community, seems so toxic full of kids worshipping this "Oki"

aight im out

[twilit kindle]

😔

[sharp python]

I didn't even warn him.. It was just a reminder...

[leaden tinsel]

Funny that it always turn this way - OP is attacking others when so many people don't agree with him, thinking he is the victim. No one is worshipping anyone. You are not even warned, yet o_o

[green trench]

Calling others toxic

[green trench]

They left the server.

[sharp python]

Tho, this also wasn't nice of you.. So...

[sharp python]

I wasn't alerted to that one.. I've just seen it, however, because one person acts this way, does not mean we all have to.

[potent ridge]

bro left cause no one wanted a mini map 🤨

[nocturne zodiac]

I been said we should be able to move when we press M on the map

[potent ridge]

i mean you can move but not turn

[nocturne zodiac]

Stupid ngl every game has it

[potent ridge]

not battlebit apparently

[twilit kindle]

you can move with the map up, I posted a webm earlier

mouse look is disabled because the map can be clicked on (presumably for some sort of command functionality yet to be implemented)

[lofty bronze]

💀

[lofty bronze]

Yeaaaa man’s kinda said that out of nowhere

Here’s my two cents

How would a tiny zoomed in minimap help with navigation

Also there would be so many friendly dots that it would be literally impossible to see the actual map

So you would have to zoom it out but now you have a big map in the corner of your screen

[junior dawn]

I dont think a minimap is needed

[regal heron]

Map orientation is genuinely an issue in this game, I usually run around like a headless chicken.

[twilit kindle]

so press M

[sharp python]

That is a skill issue.. You run towards the enemy, and follow squad orders

[lofty bronze]

Yea

Where all the blue dots are

Personally I never really get lost

And if you do then open the map

But like the point of a minimap is not really for navigation

[regal heron]

So true! Maybe the devs could even show a small portion of the M map onto the hud for convenience. Would greatly help with local map awareness!

Like, the map is already there, why not give people the option to always have it open and still be able to play the game? 😄

[lapis cypress]

imagine how much weigh oki has that just saying no makes 58 yesman say no to something like a minimap

people are so lost

[regal heron]

I'm just hammering on a stupid argument

I dont think a minimap is a good solution for the wider problem op faces in this game

[twilit kindle]

that's because OP is suffering from chronic skill issue

[lapis cypress]

It's a freaking CASUAL mode we're playing

without minimap

https://tenor.com/view/hold-my-nuts-hold-this-kyrie-irving-uncle-drew-uncle-drew-gifs-gif-11157154

[vestal hull]

I agree that we need one, but we won't be getting one.
So no minimap it is.

[lapis cypress]

I have really tasty nuts tho, Oki will love them

[rose pebble]

There is no game design law written in stone that prescribes a mini-map to 'casual' FPS, or any other type. I have no idea why people are married to the ideas of things games NEED.
The dev team here clearly know what they are doing, and I personally agree that the current state of the 1st person UI is totally fine without a mini-map because there is a top side compass. It works fine, especially when your squad is actually pinging. The main map being behind 1 input encourages gaining map-knowledge over the long term & voice communication. While also not stripping any accessibility. All of that buffs the lifetime of the game.... Its actually exactly what you want for a Casual FPS & doubly so for a BTB game.

[twilit kindle]

noooo we need a minimap in casual mode!!!

[solid grove]

A minimap would be awesome if it ever comes to the game, just for the benefit of quickly orienting the player.

[lapis cypress]

Evidence speaks for itself, name a popular casual shooter that doesn't have one

bet I can name at least 3 that do for each one you come up with

I don't think it's rocket science proving how it's a feature that is used in casual shooters or casual games in general that require you to navigate a scenario, besides using it to better be aware of the stuff that surrounds you

I really think Oki would rather hear constructive critizism than, "Everything's alright bud, you know exactly what your'e doing"

[twilit kindle]

hm yes that's all well and good but fuck minimaps

[lapis cypress]

[rose pebble]

Idk if you know this, but 'Popular' Shooters over the last 5~ish years have been... pretty bad. It has left a void that small creators are stepping up to fill. [thats why we are here] You may be too young to realize this, but every game yelling what input to press to reload when you are down one round and constantly hand-holding players is actually a bad thing

Mini-maps aren't even a crucial ingredient to FPS. They are a borrowed thing from RTS & MOBA.

[lapis cypress]

I haven't played a popular shooter since Fortnite, a minimap isn't controversial or outlandish, it's a standard thing.

Now the only argument I can see one reasonably making to not have one is that it's too much of a crutch and that it gives an unfair advantage to players that use it properly and takes away from some hardcore aspects the game wants to maintain.

Which I find cool and all, just don't think it's a good choice for the casual mode of Battlebit

[rose pebble]

Here's my thing.
BitBattle should/shouldn't have a minimap is a conversation complete worth having [ I vote no, currently its great.]

Its a first person shooter so it gets one is insane

[lapis cypress]

It's hilarious some people disagreeing with suggestions simply cause they think it's insane to merely suggest it

So much to learn from that

[rose pebble]

110% missed the point

[lapis cypress]

A minimap is a feature that's seen in many games, but suggesting it for battlebit, utter insanity why are you even suggesting it

There's no reason for BBR to have it, it's NUTS

Best arguments to have ngl

[rose pebble]

My brother in Christ, Read what I have written lmao

[lapis cypress]

You essentially said you just don't like it, that's your only explanation

which is cool, idk why you'd need to argue with me such subjective things when you don't have arguments for it

[rose pebble]

I said the conversation is worth having. But the Reasoning of aLl ThE OtHeRs Do. Thats insane. its a nothing sandwhich.

[twilit kindle]

out of curiosity what is it people hope will be displayed on the minimap

[lapis cypress]

idk you tell me what would you like see displayed?

[twilit kindle]

I don't want a minimap

there's a map on the M key already

[jade socket]

I don't want minimap too. It's just useless. Staying aware where action is going is good skill that not many players have. I don't there is need for one. It's not call of duty

[vestal hull]

It's still great to see where your squad members are going without having to turn around.

[dense charm]

minimap needed and nothing else will change my mind, it is just a basic resource that (most) fps game should have

[regal heron]

The game itself needs more direction, a minimap wont fix that. I've played plenty of games without minimaps, where I never had to think about where to go.

I think once the game gets better at leading players more, the demand for a minimap dwindles.
I think creating more direction for players solves a lot of issues, so it should probably happen regardless.

[lofty bronze]

Reasoning

How does it help with finding points?

The maps are big

The minimap would need to be a map to see the points lol

I guess it’s good for finding teammates

But like

Eyes

Same with the points

Also keep in mind that the casual mode is still trying to be somewhat realistic

[rose pebble]

Hard [respectful] disagree on this. Teams pile up, roll objectives, and in general don't do much random dicking about. Given that currently you can see all your friendlies dots' all the time its fairly easy sorta... observe. You can get a pretty good shape of the frontlines in that way without opening the map

Also you get to peek at the map to spawn each time.

[crystal kite]

Idk why people just can’t agree to make shit optional settings lmao like this community is so fucking divided and idk why

More settings that improve gameplay=more happy players. Especially new player’s experiencing the game for the first time.

[lofty bronze]

Minimap isn’t really a settings on or off thing

Too be fair

[crystal kite]

but it could be is what im sayin, like for something like this if people dont want it on just have it toggleable @lofty bronze

[twilit kindle]

toggle the map with the m key lmao

[lofty bronze]

But like then the people without it would be at a disadvantage

[solid grove]

instead of a map, why not a compass?

[rose pebble]

We have a compass..

[solid grove]

thanks, i prob never even used it XD

[crystal kite]

It can be toggle-able either with a keybind or in settings if players don’t want it. It’s such a split thing I think it should be added and just be added as such IMO.

[runic mulch]

【up@

[sharp python]

IMO I could agree on one, if it's toggleable, and it only shows friendlies, it's not needed, but for those without an awareness of their surrounding, it could help.

[flint skiff]

Minimaps would cause a huge shift in balance. Probably wouldn't be the smartest thing to add this late in the game, especially since you have multiple other tools to find your teammates, such as squad spawn, the map, and simply finding them in real time using the game's UI.

TrueDeviL does have a point though. If they only show Friendlies, might not be that bad. I was assuming it would also should enemies.

[vestal hull]

No, that wouldn't cause a huge shift in balance. Probably no shift at all.

It's a QoL thing.

[flint skiff]

That's because I was assuming the original poster meant they wanted enemies to be shown on the minimap as well. I'm used to games having minimaps like COD where you can see basically everyone at all times.

[vestal hull]

I understand that the thread system is a little lacking when it comes to the OP in a relatively large thread, but you ought to read it.

Naturally, no one (I hope) here was asking for what's effectively a wallhack.

We got CoD for that.

[hollow flame]

CoD doesn’t even show enemies on minimap anymore (unless you have UAV)

[glacial spoke]

maybe its problem in me, but when i do play CoD or BF with minimap i do watch minimap 90% of playtime and die because of that... I believe that minimap take off focus attention to hat is happening on your screen.

[flint skiff]

I have the exact same issue too, never thought about that.

[vestal hull]

Could always let people disable it.

IMO it helps to focus on what's going on around you.

[lapis cypress]

Over reliance on the minimap is real, but that's just cause of how useful it is

[twilit yacht]

if not a minimap a compass would be nice for voicing which direction to go with friends in a squad

[potent ridge]

compass already exists

[twilit yacht]

ill look for it, thanks

[wind copper]

I think it would be nice to have special button to free the cursor in map mode. So we can run and turn while studying the map but if it's needed, press button and move the map still able to run in one direction.

Or make map be visible while player holds the map button, cursor still be attached to gun, but one short click results in mode we have now.

[hollow flame]

It wouldn't need to show enemies, just map layout and friendlies. Not to mention things like ammo boxes, vehicles, objective capture areas.

[lapis cypress]

it ain't rocket science

but from how much pushback it has I'm guessing it would take some work to implement

[real gulch]

I agree with this, with a caveat: M opens the map, you can still turn your character as normal, but you need a button (Alt, or something) to be able to use your mouse on the map.

But at the same time, I've never really had an issue navigating to find a point.

In my own experience, I only use the map while moving between objectives; it has no use while I'm on a point attacking or defending it.
For me, I'm not understanding the use of it while at an objective; it's not that hard to find your way in any of the maps that I've played

[vestal hull]

I think the current way is just fine. At least when you have it set to "hold".
You can pan the map and if you need to turn your character, you can just let go of the key for a moment.

Since you will never need the map during a fight anyway, it's not obstructing at all.

[terse mango]

maybe add just a compass

[potent ridge]

compass exists

[terse mango]

never saw it till today but this is only my second days play ^^

[twilit kindle]

unfortunately I kinda hate the current compass layout

there is actually a middle ground that some dudes made for an arma mod

yeah here we go

tiny little thing down where the current thing is

gives you "situational awareness" of your squad (and honestly a better overview of cardinal directions) and where they're facing but not actually a minimap

[low tinsel]

this would be good

[sick light]

Minimap would be great for coordinating an attack with teammates. Its rough when you cant tell where your squadmates are located and facing without mid combat hitting M and scanning through the chaos. Dont want minimap? Turn it off in the settings. Want hardcore? Have a hardcore playlist that disables it for all players. I find myself constantly thinking “ man a minimap would make combat way more fluid and less clunky feeling”.

[solar oracle]

In any game I look at the minimap because only from there I can get information where my teammate was killed when I play alone and where I can expect opponents, if someone doesn't need it, let them disable it in the settings.

[low tinsel]

that's what im saying

"But OkiDoki already have tons of things to program" yeah that's ho game developing works

[tight tangle]

And those are great points, but a mini-map has the downside of people fighting over if you can spot enemies on the map. Does gun fire mark them, does a suppressor help? And a whole boat load of issues.

You get lost, it sucks, but as you learn the maps, you learn where you are. Having deaths show up on the minimap has always been a mixed bag, you love to see it, but as an enemy you hate it because it just gave away your location.

And once you add a mini map, you take all the fight and double it because now you want X feature on the mini map and not on the big map, or the other way around.

Its nice to have, but the can of worms it opens is too much to handle.

[tawdry quiver]

Just Hit M. Easy minimap