off-topic

[opaque ingot]

Nahh this is a fever dream

[wild urchin]

shut up loser

[opaque ingot]

No shot

[wild urchin]

what is bro say?

shut up

[opaque ingot]

I DIDNT EVEN TYPE ANYTHING

[wild urchin]

u just did u crazy or something

[opaque ingot]

Between the ping and shutup

I waa gonna reply to the ping then you just said shut up

[wild urchin]

shut up dude

you mean

[opaque ingot]

😭

[severe temple]

bulied

[fresh quiver]

Shatterline 🐐

[visual forum]

isn’t it painful to play a 127 vs 127 and be a medic just for almost everybody you cared about and healed just get blowned up by an rpg? (The engineer got sm xp from that he prob got 5 levels)

Painful

[neon oak]

whoa, a rare species, someone playing medic to be a medic.

[visual forum]

Seen many medics that don’t even heal people

They just there for no reason

[neon oak]

thats bc they use the medic to heal themselves

[visual forum]

Is it bannable?

Wait also can you even spawn airdrops? ☠️

[neon oak]

no to your first one and yes, you can call in airdrops

[visual forum]

how

[neon oak]

to call in air drops?

[visual forum]

Yes

[neon oak]

hold down middle mouse, wait for a menu to come up, hover your cursor over squad, and them click airdrop

[visual forum]

Alr thanks

[neon oak]

np

[edgy lotus]

I am addicted to medic, I ain’t ever killing a man ever again. I’ll just be healing full time now

[fickle roost]

That explains why helicopter pilots are so bad at flying. They just keep holding their guns.

[edgy lotus]

My helis somehow always ends up sideways

[severe temple]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1123247725123752058/1179260369034821662/convert.gif?ex=657922cd&is=6566adcd&hm=241a7dfaded523b71c6f61fffac91c03f013fb87ac34dcf40558c49fec04fb87&

[fickle roost]

Weird

[brave merlin]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/587066949435916310/959250518562209803/E56010D5-16FC-44FE-84CF-219B1C5F217D.gif

battlebit before remaster

[edgy lotus]

@vast berry yes

[dry bane]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blind-flashbang-light-mode-gif-21281004

[edgy lotus]

Don’t be like me kids

Don’t meme with lightmode until you can’t go back no more

I did this as a joke and now I’m stuck with it :p

El compact

[solar heath]

Get a screenshot program lol

[edgy lotus]

Sis was using PC so I didn’t bother

[runic pier]

battlebit pilots refuse believe in physics

they use the power of imagination

[midnight tusk]

vilaskis lod moment

[fickle roost]

It looks like it's supposed to work the other way around.

[severe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/flashbang-gif-22572243

[midnight tusk]

Playing old battlebit be like:

[undone hemlock]

440ms

340ms

540ms

20ms so that one is valid

But all the others are literally normal and expected kill times

If they had perfect accuracy you’d have expected them to be faster than that

[plucky terrace]

What happened to this game..

[undone hemlock]

Wdym

[weak osprey]

@solar heath win+shift+s. Or you know, just the print screen button

[severe temple]

https://tenor.com/view/project-reality-battlefield-2-project-reality-roadkill-roadkill-helicopter-roadkill-gif-11431371163813209540

i miss woke iland somuch

[tired flume]

lightmode…

[solar heath]

I see, never knew about that. I don't use windows for much except games

[sonic dirge]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

Early Access! 5 Different Skins.

BattleBit x USAF Event 4: Start <t:1701979200:R> | End <t:1701986400:R> - 2hrs Long - Watch: 72hrs for 1hr
BattleBit x USAF Event 5: Start <t:1701990000:R> | End <t:1701997200:R> - 2hrs Long - Watch: ONE_shot_GURL for 1hr

Anytime - Incl, same USAF Skins as the previous 5 Days.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[timid surge]

another ddos attack?

[clever totem]

DOOM RUN GUYS :´D

[oblique granite]

To only then and go nerf 180 movement..

[undone hemlock]

an interesting process

[proud berry]

Hey better late than never

[obtuse tundra]

👍

[still whale]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-lick-fast-lick-cute-cat-cats-gif-27624519

[visual sinew]

Leg day is pain sometimes

[proud berry]

@tall dock

[tall dock]

yeah i just found out i have that for ak

[proud berry]

I would have 100 more kills but the server shut down on me a few times and I lost that progress

[proud berry]

congratulation

[tall dock]

really looks meh

[proud berry]

I like it but maybe I'm just brain damaged

[tall dock]

not even distinguished enough to be a flex lmao

[tall dock]

no i mean it looks waay better on l86

[proud berry]

I need 2 more kills on support for the meme

[neon oak]

i have a orange and white striped skin on my mp7 that i like

[neon oak]

just get two kills, no more, no less

[tall dock]

lol good job

[proud berry]

Thats the plan

[tall dock]

i stopped using ump after exactly 1k kills :c

[proud berry]

Then 100k more kills for the next meme

[tall dock]

can't touch it anymore

[proud berry]

get it to 10k

[tall dock]

no i hate ump

[neon oak]

ij just have 3.5k kills in mp7, sadge, i want my gold skin

[tall dock]

doesn't really look that good tbh

[tall dock]

this

[proud berry]

really?

[proud berry]

Ig l86 chads stay winning

[tall dock]

ye it's shit on ak74

[neon oak]

i have a really cool orange striped skin i like, i can get sc when i get home

[proud berry]

what does it look like on ak?

[proud berry]

BTW I run white gradient as my secondary

[tall dock]

Shit.

[proud berry]

chromed barrel
By condolences

[tall dock]

even worse

[proud berry]

Every pattern looks like that?

[tall dock]

leik wot?

[proud berry]

The patterns in the top left change it a bit

Idk if it helps that though

That skin dooky

[tall dock]

pattern 03 is the same as others where it makes it bigger i guess

[proud berry]

Yeah silver just looks like ass on ak

[tall dock]

ikr

[tall dock]

pattern 1 better tho

bronze and silver

[proud berry]

I run pat 1

[tall dock]

problem is

[neon oak]

Need a case hardened pattern for 50k kills on a gun

[proud berry]

Vanta black skin

[tall dock]

u might as well just run this camo with that pattern and it'd look waay better than silver

[proud berry]

True

[tall dock]

All silver

[tall dock]

has more texture

i like it when a camo has different colors for bolt/fire selector and little things here and there

[proud berry]

I just like the silver because very few people have 5K kills are more on the L86

[tall dock]

rather than just everything being the same color

[proud berry]

Feels exclusive

[tall dock]

ye but issue with that is that nobody would actually notice it xD

[proud berry]

I notice it's and that's enough for me

[tall dock]

uwu

[proud berry]

Cease

Ok I'm driving now no discord

[tall dock]

discord while driving or no balls

[proud berry]

Bet

Windshield reveal

[stark lion]

@mint stag

[mint stag]

@devs

take note

[tall dock]

lmao

[agile moth]

gottem

[tired flume]

🎵 it’s a Glock that’s also a bong WOW it’s a Glong 🎵

[pastel shuttle]

a

[wet chasm]

💀

[rose forge]

goon squad

[narrow dune]

https://www.youtube.com/live/Zu2z5M4gmno?si=EmpTmWCs-9mFFsXu

HEAAADS EVERYONE! its finally time! get those predictions ready! Come on titanfall 3 reveal

[edgy lotus]

Have work today so no dice but it’s cool that we’re getting some project re:fantazio reveals

[proper jay]

yaaay can't wait to see what publisher paid the most to have their dogshit games shilled the hardest

[narrow dune]

LAMO, WHATEVER WORKS

[odd oasis]

@edgy lotus

[edgy lotus]

Yeah that’s the one lol

[odd oasis]

insufferable (2012)

[agile moth]

sus

[gaunt junco]

tf3 aint gonna happen bro 😭 sorry to be that pilot but, expect the worst (new apex skin) and hope for the best (they acknowledge us again)

[midnight tusk]

What a sensationally high level of copium.

Nah, today respawn withount Vince, that left for saving battlefield (father of CoD saving BF, what a time to be alive lol) cant make it, there not much man with straightforward vision for TF3 left. And if they even make it, it will feels more like addon for apex anyway

But anyway, i have my own copium for NFS Most Wanted Remake and Asseto Corsa 2 actual reveal

[spare surge]

I don't get it

OH ITS A PICTURE

[gaunt trail]

im downloading a game , is this good internet speed........

[pine cipher]

its decent

[gaunt trail]

😎

[strong robin]

f-

[royal tinsel]

I guess i shouldn't have placed the mine there

[hollow sigil]

Do i lost my progress if i went prestiges ??

[echo lake]

what

[proud berry]

What do these posts mean for BBRs legacy?

[tired flume]

below average

[frank juniper]

есть русские?

[gaunt trail]

😭

[visual forum]

nahhh

[timid tulip]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[tidal sinew]

4

[fickle dagger]

!drops

[cobalt cliff]

What are drops, and how do I get them..?

• Drops grant rewards for watching BattleBit Streamers in Twitch! Each Drop has a watch time requirement. As long as they opted in, your time will be counted towards earning the Drop and the associated reward.

• Make sure to connect BattleBit in game, use the in-game 'Connections' on top of the Main Menu, or, you can Click this link

• You can check your progress any time by opening up This link

• You do not need to watch just one streamer, you can switch at any time, providing they are playing BattleBit, the progress will still count.

• Make sure to collect & claim all the rewards before the end date shown, otherwise you may be able to get them again. You will often have to claim after each one, for it to start the next.

[gleaming birch]

Men, I give the Mp7 a try for a few days, but bro, now I love the MP7 its the perfect aggressive assault weapon

[edgy lotus]

How does it compare to PP2K? That’s essentially the only PDW I’ve use so far

[opaque ingot]

Same movespeed, slightly worse uptime, better at everything else.

One of if not the absolute best gun in the game.

[gleaming birch]

men now has a 1.5x hs multi

[opaque ingot]

So does the pp2k, it's actually a tiny bit faster on pure headshots due to 50 more rpm.

But makes up for that by sucking when you go for the body.

[edgy lotus]

I doubt I’ll fight anything outside sneezing range though with that recoil lol

That horizontal recoil hurts me bro

[gleaming birch]

37.50 per headshot, 3 kill head

[opaque ingot]

It's an SMG, you were never going to.

[gleaming birch]

the TTK

[edgy lotus]

Well UMP does ok at range I guess? Didn’t use it much doe

It lacks the thump I was looking for

[opaque ingot]

The ump is the exception, but also only if you go for headshots.

[gleaming birch]

yeap, if you manage to hit headshots, this thing hits like a fucking truck

[timid tulip]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[coarse field]

@knotty rampart lol welkommen to /ak/

shoulda tried for regular role

[knotty rampart]

Eh, lurking is what I'm here for. And if this place is really lively for that other role I can always bother a mod for it. Or so I believe.

[leaden smelt]

how to get that mp7 ice skin named like dropskin 000

[tepid ivy]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[neon oak]

.rank

Mb, wrong channel

[torpid willow]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[coarse field]

It's honestly kind of a stupid server design

As tourist, you just get announcements and signal corps

Glorified twitter

Old server had no vetting, but then someone reported it and owners have been paranoid as fuck ever since

[visual solstice]

I wonder if I'm the only one who noticed a very strange detail on this ak?

[chilly rivet]

Agree... I got addicted to mp7 and now going close to 10k kills 😆

[strong robin]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[viscid otter]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[eternal olive]

No drops ig

[opaque ingot]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[bleak fulcrum]

Please respond i need perms to shitpost in bb-eng

[weak mango]

!usafdrops

[cobalt cliff]

BattleBit x USAF Twitch Drops

Hover over the time shown, to get the exact time.

BattleBit x USAF Weekend: Start <t:1702047600:R> | End <t:1702270740:R> - Watch: ANY BBR Stream
Drops: USAF Camo | USAF Armour | USAF Backpack | USAF Uniform | USAF Helmet | USAF Belt

[opaque ingot]

@strong robin almost in every gun, some attachments are on the wrong scale

[strong robin]

Not sure what I have to do with this but ok 👍🙂

[fluid ether]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-despair-meme-atone-gif-18083281511005463831

[pulsar island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/624039337012625408/1180819599181234216/IMG_0088.gif?ex=657ecef3&is=656c59f3&hm=37d2f00ef6b1d86b81490ed96d36b15c62284d571dac971e362db50aae7cbeef&

[soft gust]

Update on the RPK, Silver and Bronze look very similar

[mighty ivy]

ez

what were the drops before this time? I'm new so I don't know of any previous drops

[odd oasis]

is it supposed to look like this?

[random dirge]

Yeah, minus this helmet

[fluid roost]

man it sucks that insurgency sandstorm is getting shut down and squad is starting to follow a similar path of "oh we need to add payed for cosmetic items to keep supporting the game" and i hope that nothing like what happened to insurgency sandstorm happens to squad but if it does it be nice to have the milsim mode of bbr out before then

[granite valve]

why is it being shutdown?

[opaque ingot]

no

[viscid quest]

💀

[open pewter]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugkx6fqgpyJzZUennXFha9BJvqWRXm07sgt-?si=JA7vFYpguB5XoIBq

Just how it feels to sneak up on snipers at times

[lunar mango]

The dev studio died

[agile hazel]

be great if this dumb shit would stop

takes so fucking long for that to just return to the main menu too, if it's not going to bother trying to reconnect then just go back to the main menu

[loud wing]

Astrophysics

My condolences

[weak osprey]

Nah, I live for this shit

[pastel cliff]

you just sit in a computer doing stuff

better than anything that has to do with mixing cancer causing crap

[weak osprey]

The actual "research" we did on it

[pulsar island]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/544232093249437758/1172967653871198338/speech-bubble-fbi.gif?ex=65623e41&is=654fc941&hm=9456dfbb134109cca4f9cb85bac47d30674dced216d2122707aaa7a405f47116&

[radiant pasture]

EA asking for "Labor of love" this year for 2042 after not fixing the memory leaks, Liz's ability crashing the game, switching characters on the main menu too quickly crashing the game.....

Can they be ANY more out of touch? I guess they're happy just having a bunch of delusional circle-jerkers tell them what they want to hear and scamming people.

[lapis cosmos]

I remember when accidentally pressing m to open the map it crashed the game 🤣

[thick dawn]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/897531691734810627/1182846964128288788/image.png?ex=65862f14&is=6573ba14&hm=6e2046a93430e9e1132a35afc379e63e3be9f6fbdebe0cf36e2c9ee5ffe00e18&

[radiant pasture]

It's just wild to me that people even try to defend it. To quote one guy "I understand why so many game companies are upset over EA setting the bar for quality so high with 2042, with it's amazing support and fantastic updates."

[thick dawn]

Wait wait wait

[radiant pasture]

And I nearly had an aneurism.

[thick dawn]

How did 2042 set the bar "high"?

[radiant pasture]

That's what I'm SAYING

[thick dawn]

BF1 set the bar high

[radiant pasture]

🤣 Like what was that guy smoking, because that's like....megameth or something.

[thick dawn]

To this day i still think BF1 is the best looking battlefield

[lapis cosmos]

Playing BF1 and 2042 is like night and day lmao

[radiant pasture]

BF1 wasn't my favorite game ever, sure, but at least it was functional.

BFV, even, had SOMETHING going for it.

[proud berry]

Discord is eternally making their platform worse

[radiant pasture]

Discord is X2.

[thick dawn]

Yep, too bad they actually made the game good then inmediately dropped support after doing it

Wasn't a fan of BFV simply because imo we didn't need another WW2 game but hey it was fine, then 2042 dropped 💀

[radiant pasture]

I legitimately think that the only reason BF2042 has "30K" players online is EA bots trying to prop up server numbers or something.

[thick dawn]

Thatt game was planned as a BR i tell you

Only reason we have operators

[radiant pasture]

Because there's no way 30K people are so out of touch that the think having your game crash every 10 minutes is "setting high standards for FPS games everywhere."

[thick dawn]

Is it still that bad?

[radiant pasture]

If you fire Liz's rocket, the only character in the game with a rocket launcher for anti-vehicles, the camera gets stuck underneath the ground and you have to Alt+f4 out

[thick dawn]

lmao

[radiant pasture]

Yeah. It's bad.

[thick dawn]

I bet some of those still playing are the ones thatt paid 100$ for that crap

[lapis cosmos]

Imagine, and then they realized people would hate that and spent 3 months scrapping it and remaking it

[thick dawn]

I'll be honest i have no idea what another BR would've brought to the table

[radiant pasture]

I mean they even removed the class system, which I was okay with, since each op had something "unique" to them.

But then they hamfisted the class system back in and now there's like 2-3 playable operators and the rest are worthless because they're pidgeonholed into roles that don't make sense for them, and debuffed if they go off-role.

[thick dawn]

Especially a military BR, we alrady have Fortnite for the "comic" style, PUBG for well yknow "normal" and Warzone for the military stuff imo the market was already covered

[proud berry]

Bbr br when

[radiant pasture]

Like there's 2 good assaults, 1 good engi, 1 good medic, and 1 good sniper.

The character that was literally built to have wallhacks and be an SMG ambusher got relegated to being a sniper...which puts her outside the range that her goggles work most effectively 🤣 Like she went from "I hear enemy gunfire, let me see where they're looking and flank" to "I hear gunfire, let me scan to see if I'm being ambushed"

[thick dawn]

lmao

[radiant pasture]

Not that she could even do anything about it given that she has a SNIPER RIFLE NOW xD

[thick dawn]

what a shitshow

[radiant pasture]

Amen to that.

[lapis cosmos]

If we could easily create mods we could make it happen

[thick dawn]

They lied to us so hard with that trailer, including the classic moments everyone remembered from BF4

[proud berry]

Please don't

[thick dawn]

Not that many game trailers haven't lied but this felt personal because they said "a homage to our players"

gdi

[proud berry]

Leave to EA to dumpster it's players that hard

[soft gust]

Please, never. BR communities are the worst communities.

[proud berry]

Agreed

[lapis cosmos]

You don’t old the Rust community?

They’re very nice people

[proud berry]

Rust is a br with respawning and base building

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1070704280903897159/1181963776631787551/Ultrakill_Minos_Christmas_Joy.gif?ex=6582f88c&is=6570838c&hm=d392467b844778ade1835b91317156058e34bbbce2895d2664924af72b2b93db&

[wide iris]

Chirstmas

[viral sparrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IJiefSYXHM

[frozen mauve]

fellas

can they use battlebit voip as evidence

[vast berry]

has anyone seen this wtf is this guy like haxing or something https://youtu.be/MdCGVRr5YCs?si=pIiF_7MaMkJ6Wrow

[manic lagoon]

are turbo clicker settings on the mouse allowed?

[proud berry]

no

[manic lagoon]

is that a bannable offense?

[proud berry]

He's just getting his macros in

[viral sparrow]

TLDR
usually not in most games
but its highly frowned upon

long version
some games like rust ban actual mouse brands (a4tech bloody mouse to name a few)
but your normal 3rd party mice like razer, logitech etc should be fine with anticheats/most games

again not a bannable offense in most games
youd need to look it up and double check
but majority dont care (as long as it comes from your mouse manufacturer software
3rd party software like auto hotkey has a high chance of being blocked/bannable)

its just scummy to use and people will look down at you for using it

[proud berry]

Real

[viral sparrow]

also if you use auto fire macros

https://i.imgur.com/5wju2oX.png
this pic is here to scar you

[errant nova]

Damn guess I gotta stop using my finger 😔

[neon cape]

.

[midnight tusk]

Bf1 only looking good
Otherwise, very plain gameplay, with random fire spread 😂 We playing world of tanks or what?

BFV otherwise have best gameplay and gunplay in entire series. Not just "good shooting", but in first versions (before TTK wars) idea of "ammo hunder" and other cool stuff
But yeah, "WhY We NeEd AnOtHeR WwIi GaMe?"

2042 joke of a game until season 2

after that just bad.
after 5 season it became just a game

[still violet]

that looks good dude

[undone hemlock]

explain this vegans

[radiant pasture]

I love that the only insult people keep regurgitating about battlebit is "Hurr durr its liek roblox" and thats so reductionist that its like saying every videogame is just pong because they have "Controls" and Graphics" and "Rules"

[frozen valley]

lmao

[undone hemlock]

@weak osprey this is the model that makes sense to me

[weak osprey]

No skill is below the floor

Some games have the floor at no skill, others have them sky high

The players' skill, the floor and the ceiling all are movable on the scale

Like, the ceiling can be at 50% or at 100% and if at 50% any player between 50 and 100 are seen to be on the same level because the games' mechanics doesn't allow for further mechanical improvement

[undone hemlock]

To me that implies for consistency that high skill must then be above the ceiling.

[weak osprey]

Depending on the game, yes

[undone hemlock]

Starting below the floor means it’s not really a floor, is it

[weak osprey]

See, that's what you're fundamentally not grasping then

[undone hemlock]

I know what your definition means. I disagree with it because it’s totally unintuitive.

[weak osprey]

Skill issue

[undone hemlock]

https://tenor.com/view/christmas-stocking-coal-ltg-low-tier-god-gif-16894685927343396957

[weak osprey]

Imagine the skill floor as a step you need to reach to start playing a game comfortably. It's like the first step on a staircase. Now, if someone is brand new to the game, they might be standing on the ground, not even on the first step yet.

Thanks chatgpt

[undone hemlock]

Then we can call it the skill staircase with the “skill floor” being redeclared as the first floor. Or second in the US I think.

[weak osprey]

Also, everyone's skill floor and ceiling are personal, per game. Some people think their skill floor starts at mashing basic punches in fighting games. Others think it starts at the point where they use all the different mechanics properly

[undone hemlock]

I think it always starts at the average totally inexperienced player

[weak osprey]

Ok but that's wrong then

Because that's just 0

And there's no games that start the skill floor at 0

[undone hemlock]

The player’s own floor and ceiling would be specific to them but the game’s floor and ceiling should be pretty objective

[undone hemlock]

Zero would be someone playing a shooter game that didn’t know you pressed left click to shoot

[undone hemlock]

Yep

[weak osprey]

.

This is 0

[undone hemlock]

Which is not 0

[weak osprey]

It literally is

"totally inexperienced" hello?

[undone hemlock]

A totally inexperienced player is not totally incapable of doing anything

They’re just worse than everyone else

On my beautiful diagram maybe I should have labelled the bottom of the room as “utterly incapable”

[weak osprey]

And move the no skill player there, yes

Or with bottom you mean the floor

[undone hemlock]

Nobody is utterly incapable unless they’re trying to be

[weak osprey]

In which case no, the no skill player should be all the way below the floor

[undone hemlock]

I don’t mean that

[weak osprey]

I do

[weak osprey]

Clearly haven't seen moms trying to play shooters

[undone hemlock]

You were talking about what I meant

[weak osprey]

Right, fine then And move the no skill player there, yes stands

[undone hemlock]

Maybe I’ll alter the skill floor definition to be “the average totally inexperienced player”. Though this does lead to a bit of an inconsistency as this isn’t the same as the definition of the skill ceiling

[weak osprey]

chatgpt described the floor as the point where you can play a game comfortably

Which I agree with

[undone hemlock]

something something biased prompt

[weak osprey]

First response is full of bullshit X)

Trying to dissect your comment

[weak osprey]

I think the definitions of "skill level required to play comfortably" and "maximum mechanical/meta skill attainable" are the same skill scale

To add to that, the ceiling can be higher, IE knowing specific droprates for all items in an MMO but it doesn't actually give an advantage over other people

Or knowing about random easter eggs, fun glitches

[undone hemlock]

I would call that knowledge rather than skill if it can’t be applied as skill can be.

[weak osprey]

skill = knowledge and mechanical ability combined

Hard to execute mechanics that are worse than just the straightforward mechanics

[weak osprey]

Fighting games you can pull off some weird ass 100 hit combo and then the other guy just smacks you once for the same damage or something

[undone hemlock]

with this prompt chatgpt likes option A
which does go to show how meaningless its verdict is but it agrees with me so I'll gladly overrate its opinion a little.

though like yours I think it interpreted it a little wrong

[weak osprey]

option b is not what I think though (ceiling wise)

[undone hemlock]

I can change it

[weak osprey]

option a is definitely not what the gaming community thinks. Low floor = easy to get into

[undone hemlock]

but I'm not really sure how to describe your interpretation of it

[weak osprey]

It picked option a but then explains what I think lmao

But then contradicts itself with "low skill floor makes a game more challenging for beginners"

[undone hemlock]

yeah

it isn't the best at this kind of logic

[weak osprey]

Unless that means the progress from skill floor to skill ceiling is the challenging part

[undone hemlock]

tends to just read things from the prompt and cobble them together

but a non-descriptive prompt also doesn't produce very relevant results

wonder how much better gpt-4 is at this

[weak osprey]

Imagine paying

Fucking yes man

[undone hemlock]

idk man

[weak osprey]

I have no clue where that came from in league (if the comment is right anyway) but I've never seen it used like that in league

Wait

Actually the LoL skill floor makes more sense to me

[undone hemlock]

yes

[weak osprey]

But it could also just be seen as a low skill ceiling

[undone hemlock]

Personally though, I identify as "Normal" and not as an "LoL"...

[weak osprey]

I don't necessarily think the contribution has an impact on floor/ceiling

Well maybe it does

I don't think low skill floor means "difficult to contribute with". It just means that the base mechanics of a hero are easy to grasp. The contribution then depends on how high the ceiling is

The lol skill floor definition is more a definition of low skill ceiling

While the normal skill floor is a definition of high skill ceiling

[undone hemlock]

the ceiling will always be relative to the floor

[weak osprey]

Nah, ceiling can be on the floor in some cases (tic tac toe) but the floor can be at 0 and ceiling at 100 (meaning basically infinite progress)

    Skill Floor = The skill level needed to perform "acceptable".
    Low Skill Floor = Low level of skill needed to perform "acceptable". Easy to learn.
    High Skill Floor = High level of skill needed to perform "acceptable". Hard to learn.

    Skill Ceiling = The skill level needed be able to perform at maximum potential.
    Low Skill Ceiling = Low level of skill needed to perform at maximum potential. Easy to master.
    High Skill Ceiling = High level of skill needed to perform at maximum potential. Hard to master.

1. **Low Skill Floor, Low Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Champion:** Garen
   - **Explanation:** Garen is known for his simplicity. His kit is straightforward, making him accessible to new players with a low skill floor. However, his mechanics are relatively basic, and there's a limited skill ceiling for mastering advanced strategies.

2. **Low Skill Floor, High Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Champion:** Thresh
   - **Explanation:** Thresh has a relatively low skill floor, meaning players can pick him up and contribute to their team. However, his skill ceiling is high due to the complexity of his kit, particularly his lantern (W) and precise use of his crowd control abilities. Mastering Thresh's advanced mechanics can significantly impact the game.

3. **High Skill Floor, Low Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Champion:** Malphite
   - **Explanation:** Malphite has a higher skill floor compared to some champions, requiring players to understand his tanky role and engage potential. However, his mechanics are straightforward, and there's a lower skill ceiling in terms of intricate plays or combos compared to more complex champions.

4. **High Skill Floor, High Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Champion:** Lee Sin
   - **Explanation:** Lee Sin is known for his high skill floor, requiring players to master his mobility, combos, and precise skill shots. Additionally, his skill ceiling is also high, as expert Lee Sin players can pull off advanced techniques, flashy plays, and creative maneuvers, making him one of the most mechanically demanding champions in the game.```

I honestly didn't know this was a whole issue online? Everyone I've ever talked to used it the same way (reading some discussion threads now)

[undone hemlock]

doesn't mean it isn't relative, just that the gap between them is tiny or vast. I meant in that changing the height of the floor affects the impact of being higher or lower towards the skill ceiling

[weak osprey]

high skill floor meaning "basic skill gets you high value" is so fucking weird and foreign

[weak osprey]

Only if the ceiling between 2 comparable things would be the same height

Usually if something is high floor it's high ceiling as well

[undone hemlock]

I just created my own definition for skill floor from hearing the terms being used to fit what they seemed to mean without any external definitions from other communities

But I would use a different definition to everyone else if I thought the prevailing one was dumb

[undone hemlock]

well, that depends what we mean by floor...

[weak osprey]

I don't know what the prevailing one is but I hope it's this

1. **Low Skill Floor, Low Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Example Game:** "Flappy Bird"
   - **Explanation:** "Flappy Bird" is a simple mobile game with a low skill floor, as players only need to tap the screen to make the bird flap and navigate through pipes. The game's mechanics are straightforward, and there's not much depth or complexity, resulting in a low skill ceiling.

2. **Low Skill Floor, High Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Example Game:** "Rocket League"
   - **Explanation:** "Rocket League" has a low skill floor, allowing players to quickly understand the basic controls and gameplay. However, mastering advanced techniques such as aerial maneuvers, precise ball control, and teamwork can significantly raise the skill ceiling.

3. **High Skill Floor, Low Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Example Game:** "Fruit Ninja"
   - **Explanation:** "Fruit Ninja" has a high skill floor, requiring players to quickly swipe and slice fruit with precision. However, the mechanics are relatively simple, and there's a limited set of skills to master, resulting in a lower skill ceiling.

4. **High Skill Floor, High Skill Ceiling:**
   - **Example Game:** "Dota 2"
   - **Explanation:** "Dota 2" has a high skill floor, with complex mechanics, numerous heroes, and intricate strategies to learn. The skill ceiling is also high, as professional players continually discover advanced tactics, optimal item builds, and refined teamwork, showcasing the depth and complexity of the game.```

I don't really think fruit ninja fits but it's the hardest category X)

    Example Game: "Microsoft Flight Simulator"
    Explanation: "Microsoft Flight Simulator" has a higher skill floor as players need to grasp the fundamentals of piloting an aircraft, navigation, and weather conditions. However, the skill ceiling may be lower compared to other flight simulation games, as the emphasis is more on realistic simulation and exploration rather than intricate combat maneuvers or complex aircraft systems.```

Makes sense to me. Learning to fly a plane takes ages (getting to the floor takes ages), but after that there's not much more to get to get better at the game (ceiling is low)

[undone hemlock]

I initially argued that little bird piloting had a low skill floor because an inexperienced player will probably crash and definitely not get kills with it. So their floor (the lowest they will be) is close to the "utterly incapable" end of the spectrum of utility

[weak osprey]

I think lb is high floor high ceiling

tank is low floor low ceiling

infantry is low floor high ceiling

[weak osprey]

This definition only makes sense if you replace skill with value

1. **Low Impact Floor, Low Impact Ceiling:**
   - **Definition:** At the lowest level of impact floor, the element provides minimal value or utility, and this doesn't significantly increase with increasing skill or proficiency. Essentially, the element has limited effectiveness even in the hands of skilled players.

2. **Low Impact Floor, High Impact Ceiling:**
   - **Definition:** The element starts with low initial impact or value, but as the player's skill increases, the utility or value of the element can be maximized. There's a substantial improvement in impact with increasing proficiency, indicating a wide range of potential effectiveness.

3. **High Impact Floor, Low Impact Ceiling:**
   - **Definition:** Even at a basic level of proficiency, the element provides a high level of value or utility. However, as the player's skill increases, the impact does not increase significantly. The element has inherent high value, but there's a limited potential for improvement or optimization.

4. **High Impact Floor, High Impact Ceiling:**
   - **Definition:** The element has a high initial impact or value, and this impact can be further maximized with increasing skill or proficiency. At both basic and advanced levels of play, the element provides substantial utility, showcasing a broad range of potential effectiveness based on the player's skill level.```

[weak osprey]

In the context you provided, the term "skill floor" is being used to describe the minimum effectiveness or impact a player can have with a particular element in the game. It's more about the utility or value of that element rather than the skill required to use it.

Using the term skill for this definition is imo just completely wrong

[undone hemlock]

you said earlier you thought people could be above the skill ceiling. What is the skill ceiling if this is the case?

as in, how'd you define it

[weak osprey]

I think my definition of skill ceiling doesn't really work when looking at one singular thing but I'd say the skill ceiling is the maximum mechanical/knowledge one can have with a specific thing (game or class or champ or whatever). When I mean above skill ceiling I mean that for example the ceiling is lower in shooters games with autoaim/magnetic bullets

[undone hemlock]

That last sentence confuses me in how it relates to the question

[weak osprey]

It means that a player might beat other players in games without those but would tie with those same players in a game with autoaim/magnetic bullets

[undone hemlock]

so, just lower skill ceiling?

[weak osprey]

The player is above the skill ceiling but the lower ceiling means their extra skill doesn't benefit them

[undone hemlock]

ah

hmm

so skill that would apply in a similar scenario but does not apply here due to... something in the game

[weak osprey]

But that only really works if you compare different instances. In a vacuum I'd say the skill ceiling is the maximum skill attainable

[undone hemlock]

cool

So these beautiful images are accurate in a specific given scenario

[weak osprey]

I'll check in a bit, gotta focus on something else rn

If you replace usefulness with skilfulness in the second one I guess

[narrow dune]

https://www.youtube.com/live/-AUCAhkcI-k?si=JrZ7BdFgm8LeRY5X

[narrow dune]

Songs change daily! Guitar hero support confirmed for 2024! WHAT A YEAR

[proud berry]

Test

[brisk nimbus]

How tf do you unlock this camo? 200 Lvl, Prestige 1

[raw fulcrum]

usafdrops

[brisk nimbus]

Oh

[brisk nimbus]

Thank you'

[opaque ingot]

ah yea that's a drop

[tall dock]

daymn

[torn anchor]

Give the game to kind people

[tall dock]

ye

[pallid notch]

'

[stark knoll]

There has to be something liek #CursedBattlebit channel

[lunar mango]

Leaked footage of oki developing battlebit

[wide canyon]

814 how?

[opaque ingot]

Hello

[lapis cosmos]

Welcome to the BattleBit general channel

[edgy lotus]

AKA the dead channel

[opaque ingot]

Where's all the fun at then?

[lapis cosmos]

#anti-cheat-help

[odd oasis]

@opaque ingot have to drop it like this on #off-topic cuz automod will 1984 my ass

just read the 2 screens, that's the explanation

either that or someone got trolled into watching it, first time anime watchers asking for recommendations

[odd oasis]

@solar heath

part 3 of manga will get anime adaptation which means season 4

[solar heath]

Noice

If NUT would finally release youjo senki s2, that would be great

[spare surge]

Note that shotguns aren't in the game

[buoyant jungle]

the level of sniping i aspire to

[spare surge]

level of sniping i achieve

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002301528067018793/1173300227072069632/Desktop_2023.11.12_-_17.22.05.04.DVR_1.gif?ex=656373fc&is=6550fefc&hm=7261976cdb9f8baf37f7739317a41d5ebb2d3f763aabc5da4b6935ab732343ba&

[wild wing]

hello

[opaque ingot]

I hope they keep it that way

[spare surge]

I like shotguns

I hope they'll come around on them

[opaque ingot]

Shotguns will ruin the game

[spare surge]

why?

[opaque ingot]

Because they are too powerful at close range

[spare surge]

there are other ranges in the game, and still can be balanced on close range

[wide iris]

https://tenor.com/view/lordoftherings-soitbegins-gif-4545856

[spare surge]

make them worse at defeating armour

[opaque ingot]

Yeah..... Please don't add shotguns

[spare surge]

the "nuh uh" argument? they dont have to be unbalanced, i think they will be underpowered because ranges can get real far real quick in bbr. for example when youre transitionin from point to point.

i think damage can be balanced with armour. make a modifier for armour levels so heavies wont die in a single shot

[radiant basin]

Shotguns are either useless or overpowered 99% of the time

usually just a headache to whatever game they are added to

with an exception of a few games

[spare surge]

why woudnt you be able to balance it in bbr?

[wide iris]

It’s not an issue of whether or not they could be balanced

The devs just don’t want to put forth the effort to balance them. It’s easier if they aren’t in

Less interesting, sure, but easier.

[spare surge]

shame

i dont get the hostility to shotguns in the community tho

[wide iris]

The people who like shotguns don’t stay for long, so it creates an echo chamber

Alternatively, it could just be related to the fact that the discord is full of sweatlords who attempt ruin the game for everyone else with their anti-fun suggestions

[spare surge]

people need to stop competing

https://tenor.com/view/hockey-only-game-bryzgalov-anahe-gif-8306971

[wide iris]

Large multiplayer games are by definition not competitive, so I’m inclined to agree

Back in the original Bungie days of halo they found out the best game size for competitive was 5 v 5, in order to reduce the pressure on any one player while making sure every player’s actions had an impact

[old zodiac]

where did you find this shit funny af

[spare surge]

yeah, kinda, but i think every game with a leaderboard will induce of competition (i dont imply that it should be removed). So imo it has to be about the attitude of the players and not the playercount

[dense marten]

[opaque ingot]

how did you get those?

[dense marten]

By sacrificing hundreds of hours of your life

[opaque ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-the-devil-the-cuphead-show-hehehe-scheming-laugh-gif-27338961

gotta sell my soul then

[opaque ingot]

press F for the USSR

[midnight tusk]

Are you sure about that?

[opaque ingot]

technically the USSR is gone so.... yes

[wide iris]

#ripbozo

https://tenor.com/view/ripbozo-tears-cdq-tears-cdq-bozo-tears-bozo-tears-pack-watch-gif-23896922

[opaque ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/sfm-soldier-tf2-meme-american-gif-24728385

[wet chasm]

🥰

[opaque ingot]

[tired flume]

HOLY SHIT BASAR

[olive thunder]

SMG nerf when

[tired flume]

ok nvm map looks cancer to play and to cross

lmao they didnt change the major flaw

[loud compass]

lol

suddenly got an update

[granite valve]

WTF HAPPEND TO OUR BOY BASRA

[unkempt pumice]

more in full changelog
where is the change log ? i cant find it :/

[steel flax]

Where is this full change log

[vast berry]

don't think it's out yet

[unkempt pumice]

ahh ok ... sad 😦

[steel flax]

@proud berry

ze smokl trail is here to stay

[proud berry]

How long does it last?

[steel flax]

Not very long tbh it seems like 1-3 seconds

[rose forge]

YOOOOO wasssssssgooood XD

they should addd vloneeeeeeee skin for battlebit!

[stark knoll]

You like being supplied, don't you?

[opaque ingot]

No I don't, stop running at me with your 0.5 movespeed ass.

[opaque ingot]

i love battlebit

so much

[hollow steeple]

hold it chat

[icy mountain]

here we go...

[vocal plaza]

dont go deleting everything this time larry

[wanton quartz]

Larry im not sure where in those dms you warned Robo about breaking TOS

[hollow steeple]

Isn't it better to not speak open puplic on this dc? Cus any negative action is gonna look bad at the team

[icy mountain]

i didnt and i shouldn't

and i never claimed i did

[dull elm]

@trail hatch
@dusty frigate
@modern bone

How is that embaresement lol?

[wanton quartz]

Oh ok, Oki claimed specifically that he was warned for breaking TOS.

[icy mountain]

oki doesnt know all info as he didnt have much to do with it

prob missunderstood it

[dusty frigate]

the way the whole team projects themselves and handles stuff is extremely unprofessional and embarrassing. i work in engineering myself and if i ever spoke to clients the way you guys do i would rightly be fired within days.

[wanton quartz]

You also sent those in response to Robo asking for where you warned him about TOS.

[fickle steeple]

Well if he he has twitch partner. He can ask for unban. @icy mountain

Because every partner has guy in twitch

[opaque ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/the-dark-knight-joker-batman-here-we-go-gif-3430376

[hollow steeple]

Would be better to have a Community Director/Manager handling all this, but yeah i agree

[dull elm]

We are doing as best as possible, in this situation, there were reports for those streamers what they were doing, we warned other streamers including ROBOCAT about what they were doing, only ROBOCAT didn't take it well and took it personally and attacked the dev team.

That's pretty much all

[trail hatch]

if there are really mods lurking to help and engage in all streams - I would like to ask - after the way those clips were posted as an justification for your teams response, don't you think you are essentially observing content creators for their opinions rather than helping ?

[slate mango]

Wooo yippie drama

[scarlet fiber]

i guess criticism is attacking now

[ashen jasper]

No one said that.

[dull elm]

criticism is fine, calling the slurs, 100% not.

[icy mountain]

there is a border between critisising and calling peopel idiots and delusional

[rustic jackal]

Can we quit pretending like you guys actually gave him a proper warning though? It looks so disingenuous and grimey

[ashen jasper]

Constructive criticism is always welcome.

[vocal plaza]

yes thats all, larry didnt post some clips that showed u were being petty then delete them, and now u are yapping about stuff thats wrong and larry has to say u dont know the full details, this doesnt make u look like unprofessional, ego driven clowns at all

[rustic jackal]

And also did anything ever come from those clips Larry sent in acting like it proved his point but instead proved him wrong?

[dusty frigate]

for sure, there should be more staff, more developers are clearly needed but oki cant swallow his pride or hes just too greedy with money to employ new people, product engineers are very very needed, as well as a PR team. the current team clearly isnt listening to the overall community as oki literally just now said only robocat was saying that stuff, when thats just really obviously not the case. the majority of the active playerbase is with robocat they just dont speak up as much because they dont have the platform to do so or are scared of censorship, especially so after the stunt larry pulled recently.

[trail hatch]

sadly we usually don't know half the time what's heard and whats not

[vocal plaza]

where were the slurs? tf is this new bullshit ur making up?

[slate mango]

Source?

[scarlet fiber]

its rude yeah but i agree with the guy ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[ashen jasper]

Also, I'm curious. Could you, in a constructive manner, lay out where we have been unprofessional in your eyes?

[wanton quartz]

The R word is a slur to him.

[rustic jackal]

Like I get you guys don't like Robo but holy shit just outright say you don't like him instead of acting like this isn't a personal decision by the devs

[rustic jackal]

People with autism can't use our word anymore😔

[icy mountain]

well i didnt, and from our teams side we decided that he is someone we dont want to work with anymore

this wasnt a persoanl decision

[opaque ingot]

No-one should be using that word in the first place.

[hollow steeple]

yeah i mean look at Warframe Digital Extremes, their team has such an professional acting to the community, a couple of managers and a director and look how well they can manage their community. This drama could've been handled way better if the team didn't took it so hard and spoke in a unprofressional way in a open puplic dc

[vocal plaza]

lmao sure it wasnt

[icy mountain]

this was an ongoing topic between several staff memebrs for days

[rustic jackal]

Sure even though people like me were considered it medically for years, sure you can tell me what words to use

[scarlet fiber]

work with is such a overstatment you didnt do nearly as much for robo as you did for all the other big streamers that came and went, robo deserved so much more from you guys and you didnt do shit

[icy mountain]

anyway, where is robo even?

[ashen jasper]

No, it was not. We as the BBR Staff are responsible for it, not just Larry.

But Larry certainly took part in it.

[scarlet fiber]

Not on BBR for long

[rustic jackal]

"We don't want to work with him" "anyway where is robo even" so which is it? You want him around? You don't?

[icy mountain]

well, if he doesnt want to solve this, thats fine with me

[rustic jackal]

PHAHAH IF HE DOESNT WANT TO???

[vocal plaza]

tf u mean solve? ur doubling down what is there to solve

[icy mountain]

ill go back to hte shadows then

[opaque ingot]

hi

[trail hatch]

Hello Julgers. Like I've mentioned in my message in the other thread - what was the mods motive for collecting those clips over extended periods of time ? Oki mentioned that mods lurk to help and engage with streamers. I for once in my entire viewing hours ** have not once seen CYAN speak or engage with robocat to help ** so thats really not true. Now how the clips were posted as a justification points to policing about what creators can say or feel about the game. Moreover it was very juvenile on your mods part for adding fuel to fire.

[opaque ingot]

I have asperger's syndrome and I dont go out my way calling people the r-word. Its just rude and unneeded.

[vocal plaza]

ur the moral compass of the whole world i guess

[copper stream]

[dusty frigate]

put yourselves in their shoes, it gets extremely frustrating when you love a game so much and the developers are actively against you and the way you enjoy the game, dont say you're not because actions speak louder than words. i dont blame him for saying those things towards you guys, obviously he shouldnt say those things thats a given, but honestly i dont blame him at all for saying it. the guy is objectively the best player in the game and you dont listen to what he says, you need to get it through your head that what you want from the game doesnt fucking matter, what the community wants is whats important. stop being so fucking selfish and make the game that the community wants otherwise you will soon reap what you sow.

[rustic jackal]

Yeah it might be rude but why are you trying to tell me I should never say it? You don't have the power to do that don't take a moral high ground just because u don't use a word

[scarlet fiber]

wow you are going to heaven my dude enjoy your time why cant we all be like you

[wanton quartz]

This doesnt effect my initial message about this situation. I don't wish to support a game that punishes people so harshly for criticising the devs. Especially when you look at what other games allow their streamers to do. I don't think I'm the only one who feels this way, which is why I'm giving this feedback.

[dusty frigate]

larry is actively leaking dms im sure you have functioning neurons lad come on now

[dull elm]

What do you mean, so you guys prefer us to listen one person instead of the #1170727258537865367 the polls, the dev streams we are doing with community?

[opaque ingot]

Of course I dont have the power to stop you from saying it but in the end of the day what are you going to accomplish by going out your way to call someone the r-word?

[woven isle]

tell me you never did game design without telling me you never did game design xD

[trail hatch]

Guys wait pls. I want a serious reply about cyans presence there and how come I've never seen him before engage if truly mods engage with creators like that

[dusty frigate]

the polls in question

[proper jay]

robocat did nothing wrong

[dusty frigate]

👍

[rustic jackal]

Didn't u ignore decimal, kami, and robo when they said that nerfing movement would be bad for the game

[vocal plaza]

yes u for sure listen to the suggestion polls (ur adding inertia when the vote is against it)

[dull elm]

is it added? no, I respected the votes.

[rustic jackal]

So it isn't just one person

[dusty frigate]

okay so why is it still in the talks of being added

[fickle steeple]

Decimal wants inertia

[icy mountain]

these are fast players, they dont represent the entire community

[trail hatch]

@dull elm please answer this if you feel like

[dusty frigate]

the consensus is that we dont want it, stop trying to force things the community doesnt want

[dull elm]

Because there is a point I want to give personally that will improve the game more, and I want to convey to you guys, that's why I was holding onto it.

[vocal plaza]

u literally saying "we will have this discusion again later" about the movement nerf thread u asked to be made and then deleted bcos the votes didnt go how u wanted

[ashen jasper]

If he believes that, he is always free to raise the concerns with us. We are always very open to that.

But as you have seen, that is in fact not what he did. Being disrespectful to us publicly instead of resolving the issue with us personally was an issue.

[rustic jackal]

They are also players who have large communities behind them? They may not represent the whole community but I'd argue they represent a large part

[opaque ingot]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[dull elm]

there were 3 duplicates at the end, wanted to keep a single one honestly at the end.

[trail hatch]

@ashen jasper Please read what I said to you earlier and consider

[ashen jasper]

Yeah sorry I was already typing hold on

[modern viper]

Why add inertia in beta build when more ppl were against it than for

[hollow steeple]

[rustic jackal]

They're going to say the majority did while also not having the data and ignoring the poll 💀

[tired field]

https://tenor.com/view/ltg-christmas-low-tier-god-mods-gift-him-to-the-grinch-ltg-grich-gif-7509135813353094097

[thick swallow]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-fill-his-stocking-with-coal-mods-christmas-lowtiergod-ltg-gif-12645377823045477295

[dull elm]

we added interia for community servers as an option and I agree that implementation really sucked.

[vocal plaza]

https://tenor.com/view/spin-around-spin-low-tier-god-banned-meme-gif-5036928470605203424

[tired field]

https://tenor.com/bgGac.gif

[scarlet fiber]

adding enemy collision when 1 in 2 people will be unhappy with it

[modern viper]

Ok, so inertia no longer added?

[hollow steeple]

well timed classic miss click

[rustic jackal]

Great option for a game that has a withering playerbase

[fickle steeple]

This was air strafeing nerf tbh

[dull elm]

we will test it, experiment it, when we do public tests and if it's generally liked more, than there is a chance

[dry bane]

oki drop the ttk change update I'm so sick of being killed by the mp7

[proper jay]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-popcorn-react-gif-3311577361376906698

[ashen jasper]

To be fully honest with you, I have no idea about any of the clips nor was I involved in that. I knew there were some clips but I don't recall any of our staff going in there to collect clips. I thought they were just viewer-made. However, if Oki says so, I won't deny it. I just have no clue.

[vocal plaza]

oh so ur not going to listen to the suggestion poll and respect that vote? cool glad we agree that u were lying when u said that 5 mins ago

[rustic jackal]

I seem to remember Larey saying noooo TOS he can't do this about drops

[modern viper]

Ok but why work on adding something if more people are against than for? If it requires dev hours and time to perfect it

[dusty frigate]

oki the thing is man, on release the game was the most fun i've ever had playing an fps in years. i used to respect you more than any other developer cos it seemed you listened and wanted to make a game for the community. over time the updates have made the game worse, and this is directly reflected in the playercount, obviously there will be natural drop off as the hype dies down, but not to the same extent as this, where all the leaderboard players now are wanting to quit in favour of games like the finals and such, which we dont want to have to do but the game is getting to a point where the game is just not fun because of the changes that have been made over time.

[slate mango]

Mmm i love drama slop

[karmic mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/861266679722934294/970185083250147448/image0-1.gif

[wanton quartz]

Can I ask why you feel inertia is needed in this game? Is it that people can use mouse waving movement at all that you dont like? Or is it that it kinda ruins other player's experience because it's used so much?

[hollow steeple]

also actually not a bad idea tho kinda tired of yeeting my mouse cus i need to 720's in order to dodge bullets

[dusty frigate]

like, you have to understand, what you want isn't relevant, whether you enjoy the game or not doesnt matter. what matters is what the players want. stop being selfish and listen to the players that have put more time into playing the game than all of the developers combined 5 times over

[ashen jasper]

Oki tbh you are misunderstanding interia and confusing it with air strafing

Inertia and disabling air strafing is not at all the same. Disabling air strafing is VERY overkill.

[modern viper]

It's more thw fact a 3 man Dev team needs to be as efficient as possible so adding and testing stuff people don't want is a waste of time

[ashen jasper]

and air strafing is what you gave the comm. servers options for.

not inertia

[dull elm]

I literally made my point and in dev stream, the current TTK, movement, the gameplay is making most of the features we are making very much obsolate, and in dev stream, pretty much ALOT agreed with it.

[karmic mist]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/177573703842791424/760400944462168094/706674898491146241.gif

[scarlet fiber]

you just proved my point

[marble sparrow]

they dont understand how this actually affects the gameplay

[vocal plaza]

let the man kill his game for a 2nd time, theyre clearly clueless on what kind of game theyve made and what their community wants even with all these direct lines of feedback to see it

[proper jay]

it's a third of the playerbase, but yeah. not something you wanna do when the game is already on life support lmao

[ashen jasper]

That is 1/3 actually. Not 1/2. 1/2 would be if half voted yes and half voted no.

[hollow steeple]

i mean yeah i understand this one 👍 actually focus on more important parts is better for now

[marble sparrow]

i literally have to shit rn

[scarlet fiber]

1 in 3 is still bad

[modern viper]

Yes right now all guns feel balanced but in a bad way, they don't feel balanced to all can compete but more all are equally shit and bad

[rustic jackal]

Because this game can sustain loosing a third of players

[dusty frigate]

i know i should man its just genuinely really upsetting to see

[long depot]

wants quicker ttk frfr

[dull elm]

So hold up, just because game has less players, we complete stop experimenting and just make the dull, new weapon, new gun, couple of UI stuff?

[scarlet fiber]

1 in 3 people being unhappy when the game has 5000 to 10000 players is bad

[ashen jasper]

#1178273469729874033 While you guys are in here go upvote :D :D :D

[icy mountain]

looks like thats what they want

[proper jay]

it's 558 out of 1682

[woven isle]

xD

[scarlet fiber]

you should stop adding shit and fix all the bugs

[ashen jasper]

No you are not dumb. But you should divide by the total amount of votes and not the amount of people that voted yes.

[vocal plaza]

do u truly, honestly think that "experimenting" with shit the community is against while ur player counts are in freefall makes any sense?

[restive ice]

test server would help if we could play in non-shooting range

[rustic jackal]

me when i am hiding my head in the sand from the point

[proper jay]

sure would be nice if C4 wasn't aids since launch lmfao

[dull elm]

So what, just stop?

[proper jay]

but hey 1 more gun is gonna fix everything

[spark field]

And here I thought this community was better than this....

[dusty frigate]

are you taking the piss seriously

[wanton quartz]

Thats one in three

[rustic jackal]

maybe more content before messing qwith core features of the game

[vocal plaza]

no, do things the community wants? like holy fuck how is this so hard for u to understand?

[midnight tusk]

🍿 Good drama here?

[slate mango]

Everyone here is acting like an asshole rn lmao

[trail hatch]

The clip creator is labelled as cyanftw or something similar so I am sure its cyan. However I do hope you are able to understand what I am trying to put across in my latter part of the message ? - that I've never seen cyan engage for helping, the first he does in fact is make those juvenile clips and share them for who knows what if not to stir the pot ? It also puts doubts whether all creators are under the same level of observation.

[hollow steeple]

we need Mathman for this one

[scarlet fiber]

honestly at this point you should just stop and sell the game

[modern viper]

I'm saying if more people are against a change then for a change don't spend 200hours trying to make it work. Player collision though I don't want it others do and a majority of them do. So put time into the things a majority wants then what we don't want really. Right now gun play is unenjoyable and stale and feels boring and that should be a priority over adding inertia which people are against

[tired field]

gang i think the devs r transphobic

[proper jay]

wtf i love oki now?

[marble sparrow]

the point is that you are ignoring the current community in favor of trying to replace them with a different larger community

[proud berry]

this squad hurt

[vocal plaza]

real and true

[proper jay]

there's no way to really sugarcoat this shit

[dry bane]

https://tenor.com/view/so-i've-heard-gif-1899418861963210299

[dull elm]

There are multiple type of reasons people play game, one is people play games because they like consuming content, other is, they like it because game is fun.

Currently I believe we fundamentally have issue with game being 'Fun'. Adding a new weapon will not fix that.

[modern viper]

They are far from it, I can disagree with them on things but large asked my new name and pronouns in a VC when I said I was trans lol

[proper jay]

hmm then how about you fix the things that make the game not fun. that'd be crazy i think. cooky and quirky, even

[dusty frigate]

leave the core of the game the fuck alone, revert it to how it was when the game was doing well. keep the bug fixes and whatnot obviously, focus your efforts on player retention via means of better infrastructure, general polish, maps and weapons. as well the occasional weapon rebalance is always fun for a meta switchup

[spark field]

for real. people want communication from the game dev side and their reaction is harassment. thats why so many devs dont talk with community. its disgusting

[rustic jackal]

And also the lack of any progression from 150 to 200? There is literally nothing to do in this game apart from level up prestige and repeat.

[scarlet fiber]

This one is for free

[tired field]

i was simply yoking with a 0.00005ms response time i know they are probably lovely ppl dw

[proud berry]

also hi celestial

[modern viper]

Yes right now gunplay is unenjoyable and stale. All guns feel bad and the armour system does not fit with that current style

[vocal plaza]

yeah im sure finding a fix for community servers wouldnt help would it? better work on adding movement nerfs no one wants while claiming thats all u can possibly do

[dull elm]

the core has issues, look at the player numbers, it very pretty obvious,

[trail hatch]

You need to have a dedicatwd playerbase and expand on that. Constantly changing the type of playerbase imo won't help unless you want to keep pushing updates for playercount spikes.

[slate mango]

Battleslop Regurgutated

[woven isle]

people in this chat are so comfy talkin' sheit to devs. i would have banned like half of them xD

[dusty frigate]

yeah the player numbers were better before you changed the core shit👍

[midnight tusk]

If oki up login server, there actually ways to play that one

[proud berry]

Y'all wonder why oki doesn't talk to y'all much and then be rude as hell when he does

[slate mango]

On one hand, transparency is important, on the other, whatever this shit is rn

[wanton quartz]

I think it's the opposite.

[proper jay]

what's it like being insecure?

[dusty frigate]

we're not being rude, we're a group of people with valid frustrations

[wanton quartz]

But what do I know, I only have 500 hours in the game

[spark field]

Facts. People just dont have decency. everyone hides behind online to shit talk others

[dusty frigate]

nobody is being rude, and i respect oki for engaging the conversation

[long depot]

yes yes get that c4 blast radius up so i can clear buildings with 1 c4 plz

[trail hatch]

True, and I would understand why vilaskis avoid interaction if majority of them are like this.

[proper jay]

dickriding developers is great. i love ignoring all the issues the game has so i can be wholesome big chungus 100 online!

[dull elm]

If that's what you believe, go ahead. I personally did my best listening #1019712628970508338 #1170727258537865367, collecting suggesting as much as possible and implement them in #dev-wip. If that's not enough, I don't think I can entertain you.

[rustic jackal]

xDDD what a way to manage a community indie game

[proper jay]

dude you don't listen to feedback at fucking all lmao

don't even

[proud berry]

As a support main I love the recent updates and I'm enjoying the game a lot more, I hope the same level of fun can be added to the other classes

[scarlet fiber]

you sure did, you sure did

[rustic jackal]

shocker

[proud berry]

@dusty frigate

[spark field]

you sound like a class A citizen. Glad to make your acquaintance.

[woven isle]

not being insecure. i'm talking about being decent human being. y'all are wayyy to comfortable talking like that.

[modern viper]

@dull elm if i chime here. The main enjoyable part of it was a fast and fun arcade game with chaos and player count of 254. Right now the main issues are the gunplay is not fun and they don't sync well at all with how strong armour is. That is the current issue. The skin and recent update was good it was more content. But I want to grind for them but cannot force myself to play in the games unenjoyable state. The guns are balanced but in a equally shit way and all fell bad instead of all can compete fights are decided on armour currently and tick damage instead.

[proud berry]

Fuck me for complimenting when the devs do well I guess

[dusty frigate]

sir goobie read my mind exactly.

[dull elm]

I don't listen one persons, I as much as possible tried to understood if it's one or group of people's concern or actually general everyone's. Also we had DDoS issues, other issues that we never mentioned, hard to catch up.

[slate mango]

Seriously, 90% of yall are legit acting like assholes
One moment i see shit like "let devs make their own game" then "noo please listen to us" to "they listened to the sweats/casuals"
Like can we cant agree on jackshit here can we

[modern viper]

@dusty frigate if you want a change make it with reason not insults. I agree with you but chill man why would he listen to people attacking him instead of reasoning

[scarlet fiber]

did you ever consider the down votes? if you got 500 downvotes and 1000 upvotes you are still making 500 people mad, do that enough and you lose players

[proper jay]

literally everyone in feedback "mid scope glint is dumb as fuck, actually"
adds it anyway

[jolly obsidian]

Welcome to Game Development. Look at Bungie's communication. They stopped almost all of it when a CM was doxxed and a lead developer got death threats

[proud berry]

Personally I find the map design to be a bigger issue, with some of the newer maps being extremely unfun to play on or having sections that are barely if ever used

[hollow steeple]

ffs, my fat fingers clicked on the wrong msg

[dry bane]

Oki I haven't been able to get my BBC domination or frontlines fix please sort out the master server

[modern viper]

That is on vilaskis not oki. That's the difference

[dull elm]

I also received stuff on my emails and on my personal phone honestly during release of the game, which creep the shit out of me.

[proud berry]

Same dev team but that is true

[thick swallow]

opsec diffed

[modern viper]

Oki can change the stale gunplah and armour system but only vilaskis can change the maps. Yes the maps are bad but they are playable but gunplay right now is not

[proud berry]

Personally I like the currently gunplay but armor needs a big ass rework

[dusty frigate]

of course, but people get pissed off when that doesnt work

[sharp wave]

Would you suggest how to improve this?

[modern viper]

#1178376805955153920

[midnight tusk]

You got that. Best way solve that - just decide, what game should be is finally, and goes for it. Without caring about anyone. Gameplay concept and vision from developer should be above everything, above every pleb complain

[rustic jackal]

as if u would listen to suggestions XDDD

[sharp wave]

Passion is good. I applaud you for speaking up, but try and do it professionally, if you want professionalism back.

[long depot]

you might be too dumb to understand idk

[modern viper]

@rustic jackal they are a mod not a dev... They can't do anything lol

[sharp wave]

You don’t know me but thanks for the assumption ❤️

[modern viper]

No need to be rude to them

[sharp wave]

Thanks Mia!

[vocal plaza]

oki saying "we listen to suggestion threads" is really undermined when u say stuff like this in offtopic while there literally are suggestion threads about it

[loud flame]

this shit is a clown fiesta LUL

[dull elm]

Generally if it's 30%-40 yes, you are right, it's riskly, but I also belived it would benefit on long run. Also, I seen that, sometimes people dislike general changes, good or bad.

[rustic jackal]

considering u asked despite mia's thread being up for ages

[long depot]

sorry

[sharp wave]

I’m asking for individual feedback outside of the thread as per the people that are being vocal here.

[modern viper]

I am now than happy to go into a more in-depth scale on all of it but I would like to know I'm actually being listened to instead of the wall being my friend

[sharp wave]

See later comment

[sharp wave]

Of course. I’mma take a read a bit later today when i’m home 🫡

[modern viper]

There is thousand threads not all are seen

[proud berry]

Personally I think the med scope glint has been a lot less impactful than it was hyped up to be, the biggest hit to sniping has been the bullet trails

[rustic jackal]

nu uh

[dull elm]

@modern viper I am not sure ever what you mean by the core changes, the movement is same, TTK is similar, we had some broken weapons like kriss vector which they were placed correctly, what else?

[marble sparrow]

when you take votes you eventually start to lose the players who vote no on things and that just continues until there are no players left

[scarlet fiber]

well its clearly not worked maybe you should run new votes for changes implemented to see how they were recived by community

[modern viper]

It is a base idea on current core problems. I am happy to go into details if I actually get listened to

[modern viper]

I never said core changes that was @dusty frigate

[dull elm]

That's why I started the the testers and haven't implemented the TTK nor movement, nor the collision ones.

[sharp wave]

I’ll have a read and if I need any clarification on things i’ll ask and we can go into this further

[proud berry]

the problem here is a lot of people vote based on what number is higher rather than what they actually feel

[dull elm]

I used to believe that, but not anymore (for a while).

[vale wyvern]

what holy cope

[proper jay]

glint has been a point of contention since launch. glint has been stupid, and there have been PLENTY of suggestions in feedback to rework it so it's more fair to the sniper
the solution was not to give med scopes glint, it was to make mid and long scopes competitive; give them downsides and upsides, rather than med scopes being objectively better (WHICH THEY STILL FUCKING ARE)

[sharp wave]

Happens in most games, unfortunately (main source for myself is Runescape and their polling system)

[scarlet fiber]

I know, and its a good step. but you should run votes for stuff that is already in the game from suggestions to see if people actually like it

[proud berry]

I got 4 replies barely any agreed, discord be crazy

[marble sparrow]

weapons needs a rework and armor needs a rework

[modern viper]

Gunplay is a massive core of this game and currently feels out of place with how strong armour is. When all guns have the same ttk and feel slow it is not enjoyable to dink someone's armour 15 times. I'm not saying increase ttk even though it would be nice but more rework how strong armour is or remove it and make it cosmetic to avoid that part

[dull elm]

That's why I mentioned we will run in game pools instead of limited discord, see the reality and avoid any bias etc.

[modern viper]

All attachments currently serve no purpose apart from min maxing out a gun for the best stats.

[proud berry]

On exo specifically, it sucks to use and fight to the point that I think it should go the way of squad leader until theres a good solution

[marble sparrow]

yeah i only use a small handful of weapons because the others just suck

[dull elm]

They were same or worse on during playtest and during launch, how that affected the player count?

[tiny briar]

Because it took 500 kills to get a decent attachment

[dusty frigate]

this is related to retention

[tiny briar]

People were like cba fuck that

[hollow steeple]

i have nothing aginst when all guns are kinda same in terms of ttk, but the slow part could have been improved idk

[vocal plaza]

u dont think there being no variety in how guns are set up is an issue that can make people get tired of the game?

[dull elm]

according the Steam, the general playtime was 6 hours, which is not enough to get 500 kills for an average player

[modern viper]

I never mentioned player count that was Tyler... But it's retentionm when gunplay is fun people stay longer I used to play for 7hrs straight now I can barely play half a game before I get bored

[dusty frigate]

you guys suck at player retention, the only retention for the game right now are just the people that are hyperfixated on grinding numbers / leaderboard spots

[vocal plaza]

yes, thats exactly the issue, thanks for agreeing

[dusty frigate]

changing the core of the game is only going to make that worse

[modern viper]

This change was needed idk who said it wasn't but it was. Whenever u prestige 1.2k kills to get max gun attachments

[tiny briar]

[sharp wave]

Do we have a thread on retention ideas as well someone could point me to?

[modern viper]

That is my thread as well haha

[dusty frigate]

because those players that are hyperfixated will get pissed off and stop playing

[sharp wave]

Ah, brill thanks again.

[dusty frigate]

such as all of cateat and friends

[proud berry]

It's weird because personally I love the gunplay in this game, stats are something I've only come to count after I started doing well

[dull elm]

I agree we lacked and still lacking the player retention, and I am trying to find it how to make it better without making OP players more OP, making it not content based but actually fun.

[dusty frigate]

which im sure you're happy to hear, you've made it quite clear you dont like cateat

[loud flame]

u cant

[woven isle]

roflmao. throws jab, no solution, just "u suck" so constructive xD

[proud berry]

Few people do

[dusty frigate]

this message comes from a fucking time traveller

[vocal plaza]

ur idea of fun is very clearly not the communities idea of fun, at the end of the day do u want ur game to have a consistent playerbase or are u just making a game for urself?

[proper jay]

as opposed to dickriding the devs and starting shit, which is the most constructive thing in the universe

[tiny briar]

Increasing ttk to people with better aim win against average ones don't seem like its going to help

[oblique granite]

@ashen jasper and terminal our are only hope ✊

[sharp wave]

This doesn’t necessarily help either, people are passionate about the game they play and reasonably so they’re raising valid concerns. Sure some comments have been frustrative but not massively aggressive

[ashen jasper]

❤️

[trail hatch]

tbh I am harsh at the devs ( specially Vilaskis ) but its because I like the game. I wouldn't be around if I wasn't playing.

[modern viper]

Ok, first things first forget about inertia in anyway shape or form. It will only lose players who play daily to make it smaller. Move that focus to making gun play fun. As right now it's stale and boring. Armour makes the game so unenjoyable and taking away any skill celling of the game for players to improve. Maps are a whole separate issue like stop removing old maps before the rework and keep them as more and additional content

[tiny briar]

He needs to stop with the sniper maps

[modern viper]

This is just a base level idea that I can assume many will agree on

[sharp wave]

@modern viper can you send me the link to my dms to the thread? I’m on mobile atm and it’s a pain to find it (for when i have a look at home on pc)

Sorry to be a pain

[trail hatch]

only if his maps were smaller

[modern viper]

Yup one sec

[sharp wave]

Life saver, thanks 🙏🏻

[dull elm]

The idea is, polish what you have before adding new one (the weapon skins, some of the features we have being reworked, maps)

[hollow steeple]

For this it's actually easy to answer, you can't, look at bf4, there we will always ppl who are "op" than others, its a learning process, some ppl will get it, the others don't

[marble sparrow]

imagine how many kills people lose out on because someone else has stronger armor or a gun that breaks armor faster

[tiny briar]

I get frustrated when half my shots show blue and I die next second tbh

[dull elm]

True, however, the way how it is 100% killing the game and it is destroying me to see that.

[proud berry]

This game has people with 200 hours and a sub 1 k/d and people with 50 who have a 5+ kd, its very do or die

[modern viper]

Yes but those maps were fun and are additional content to be had instead of playing the same 5 over and over

[wanton quartz]

Please Oki you need to remember that the players who are sticking around have a reason for that. Changing the game at its core is only going to drive those players away because they already like the game at its core. It's not gonna attract any players to come back.

[dull elm]

Talking about District?

[tiny stag]

How does this make sense? By upping the TTK the gunfights will take longer which will in turn make it so more people can react to it and shoot. If anything it will help the average player more and leads to better players dying more often since they cannot kill a guy quickly anymore.

[vocal plaza]

u continuing this nonsense of "good players are the reason the game is dying" is whats actually going to lead to the game dying, ur on a crusade against something u can never change

[sour tangle]

this makes no sense cause people are only OP due to the time and effort they put into getting good at the game, regardless of changes there will always be people who are "OP"

[loud flame]

none of the changes will bring people back or get new people into the game , if the core gameplay is enjoyable only content will bring back people and new people , these kind of games will always have ups and downs in the playerbase. can not expect people to play this game every day cause its kinda the same each time altho content can bring them back

[proud berry]

Old district and namak are very popular on the community servers despite not being "balanced" maps

[sudden field]

I think one of the main issues of gunplay besides armor is how unninteractive and simple shooting the weapons is, just a pair of weapon have identity and require skill to be used effectively. You just I am and full auto spray until the other guy´s armor is gone and he´s dead

[dull elm]

Honestly we have to experiment, right now, the issue is, map is open, too much people, no time to react to any bullet, the first thing comes to mind is, increase TTK so you have time to react being fired at.

[hollow steeple]

yeah again it's a learning process, playing aginst better ppl actually helps me getting better. That's how u learn, play against better players

[scarlet fiber]

if you want player retention you need stuff to actually work on right now challanges sucks, i would recommend adding daily and monthly challanges, with rewards like skins, camos, and maybe some other stuff, stuff like charms could go a long way to get something in the game that wouldnt be super hard to add but would be easy to reward players

[proud berry]

I only got better after playing on Bob's because of all the sweats there

[modern viper]

District and Basra both fan favourite maps that were enjoyed with no reason for a rework apart from perfection. But they were the additional content that people enjoyed. So when the map reworks are so vast from eachother it could be a whole new map and keep them both

[fickle steeple]

I hate fomo

[proud berry]

For player retention, perhaps a completely free battlepass such as in Deep Rock Galactic would be fun and keep people for extended periods

[tiny briar]

This 'll imo, make meta weapons a must for most people, right now every gun is very strong (maybe not pp19) but the weapon pool is huge

[dull elm]

That is my problem, I agree adding more challenges, content, 100% would help, but I want to make it into a point where people play it because it's just fun and replayable, not because we added bunch of new guns and couple of new maps.

[wanton quartz]

This seems like a map issue, not a ttk issue. Too little cover in areas that players want to go.

[copper shore]

why not an actual challenge system like older call of duty games had?

[tiny briar]

And most new maps are huge wastelands with no cover

[dull elm]

That's why maps are being reworked over and over again.

[loud flame]

i agree content doesnt have to be new maps or new modes simple things like skins and rewards are content too

[vale wyvern]

instead of calling that a basra rework i would have just released the NEW basra as a whole new map with a new name and rework the negative aspects of old basra, keeping the middle of the map and the tunnel system the way it is but rework the areas close to both spawns

[modern viper]

Which is then more maps for people to play with more ideas of different gun fight situations for changes of environment

[wanton quartz]

How many people do you think that is? Cause right now I strongly believe there are a good 10k concurrent who like the game, not because of new content, but because of how it feels at its base.

[oblique granite]

having 20 different game modes surely makes map making with that in mind hard

[hollow steeple]

U need to accept it, you can't make a game which is good for everybody

[scarlet fiber]

i am sorry to tell you but this type of game does not have good player retention, you need other types of content to keep players around

[dull elm]

I sort dislike the idea of, instead of having 5 golden apple, having 20 rotten apple.

[unborn lodge]

wishing all the best to the devs. i'd hate to be in your shoes and deal with PR shitshow because of immature content creators

[dull elm]

100%.

[trail hatch]

when vila mentions rework it only makes his work look lazy even if he puts in effort. It could be released as a new map completely.

[vocal plaza]

at that point its the fault of the tree if u have that many rotting apples surely.....

[tiny briar]

[dull elm]

That is what it sort of destroying me, it's not the exact game I imagined, I never played none of the Squad, Battlefield games for content, it was always because it was fun.

[modern viper]

That is the thing they were not rotten apples they were fan favourite I would agree if it was dusty dew and others where no one likes them but they are not

[jagged chasm]

I cannot fathom the amount of stress reading all of these comments cause 😅

keep up the good work @dull elm ❤️

[dull elm]

You guys literally called each map shit the moment we released on early access.

[proud berry]

New dusty makes me miss old dusty

[tiny briar]

Idk I play battlebit because its fun and I enjoy the gunfights I don't need skins to login in the game

[spark field]

There's no way to keep players for fighting for the best it's a FPS after all. you cant knock down the people at the top to please the ones at the bottom as often times the people at the top are the ones that bring in the ones to fill the bottom. What has to happen is just a way to help alleviate the constant deaths the lower % is referring to. While messing with the spawn on player in combat detection can help I dont think over all is going to be a way to fix it. in short, theres often a choke point that tends to create this spiral of spawn death which can be frustrating. there needs to be ways to disperse that choke point or those at the top will just continue to feed on and out gun anyone from there.

[scarlet fiber]

this is hurting you since you are not keeping the old maps around, So it feels like i am playing the same maps over and over.

[tired field]

because the map designer still designs it like its a survival game and follows the EXACT SAME formula for all of them?

[rustic jackal]

this would imply something im not sure qwhat though?

[dusty frigate]

ok then well have a think as to why that might be

[dull elm]

Trying to find the point wher maps, gameplay, all together it's a fun game, so trying and trying until we find it.

[modern viper]

Because most of them are because vilaskis is not a good map maker. They have dead spots random buildings from every map copy and pasted. But instead of new maps being made they just get reworked so we have the same map pool of 5 that are played and removing maps that were good. District as a perfect example

[proud berry]

A proper tutorial would go a long way for bringing new players into the game and preforming well (and playing longer) rather than getting dumpstered for 20 hours and quitting forever

[wanton quartz]

They're all just shit needles in the shit haystack, Rand

[proper jay]

then where is the polish? cuz there doesn't seem to be any

[dull elm]

#dev-wip ?

[dusty frigate]

battlebit is a faced paced arcade shooter and most maps are milsim as fuck

like come on

[spark field]

aye but what kind of tutorial is needed in a fps? movement and shooting. the rest is really up to the player to get used to. aside from maybe a quick loadout walk through I cant think of much

[modern viper]

So when you don't want to add modding ability for custom maps which have been offered by both Jkidd and dannyphatom they were denied

[loud flame]

skill issue

[dull elm]

May I ask, could you guys send a picture of a map that you think it would fit to battlebit with 254 players?

any game

[dull nexus]

Check dms when you get a chance. I messaged you something you might want to consider.

[marble sparrow]

its not rlly super fun having to worry about a thousand angles

[midnight tusk]

Impementing that in current state of game takes in BEST possible way at least HALF of YEAR, only doing that

Not enough manpower for that

[vale wyvern]

tensatown is a good example from your game in my opinion, the 127v127 on tensa feels good

[jagged chasm]

agreed

[proud berry]

Frugis is a really fun map, boring to look at, but fun

[jagged chasm]

tensatown = good

[modern viper]

And this was asked for 7 months ago btw

[tiny briar]

Tensa, frugis and azar are very good lots of cover every class is decent

[wanton quartz]

I agree but taht is a very hot take lmao

[fickle steeple]

I hate frugis

[tiny briar]

People hate frugis because the tunnels but I never get into them ever

[proud berry]

I like the verticality rather than the horizontal bullshit of valley, new dusty, and half the other maps

[midnight tusk]

And, just drop working on everything else? These should be decided before developing actual game

[vale wyvern]

frugis with a tweaked underground can be a pretty good map too

[proud berry]

The tunnels shouldnt have a point in them they should be a massive flanking route

[jagged chasm]

people will hate/love a map for the same exact reason

[dull nexus]

Honestly, this game has not lost its potential.

[dusty frigate]

frugis is great apart from the tunnel system, waki bridge fights are fun and playing between sites is fun, namak is great

[hollow steeple]

more cqc maps balanced for 254 would be cool to see

[proud berry]

Though someone driving a btr into C on frugis will never not be funny

[modern viper]

This was in playtests when they offered to help with the maps so oki could focus on actual mechanics and they were denied. Same with @agile moth

[river bane]

zavod 311 👍

[dusty frigate]

not yet, theres still a chance

[dull elm]

that's the thing, I personally hate frugis, I can't stand it's design, but you like it, there is a lot of people who likes different things for different reasons.

[proud berry]

Urban combat maps would be way more condusive to what the playerbase seems to enjoy outside of snipers

[dusty frigate]

okay but this is what i've been saying, what you want doesnt matter, what the community wants is what matters

swallow your pride and just listen to what the community says

[tiny briar]

Nothing wrong with frugis besides tunnels

[unborn lodge]

that's not what he's saying

[modern viper]

@dull elm I hope you listened to my points that the most important thing currently is gun play and armour system focus on them and make it fun again instead of all being pea shooters against armour

[jagged chasm]

is that not what he just did @dusty frigate ?

[sudden field]

and Honestly i think the player base drop since launch was because multiple reasons

0.- Weapon balance was horrible at launch, Vector and SMGs were beyond broken and using any other weapons generally got you in a big disadvantage
1.- Non existant class identity, medic was the best class by far
2.- players had no way to sustain themselves if they werent medics
3.- Hype train died and there was too much emphasis in giving big content creators skins instead of giving that dev time to making earnable in-game cosmetics
4.- Progression was dull and slow, and even after the xp boost fixed this, there werent much stuff to grind for
6- As part of reason 3, people mostly hopped on for the "battlefield killer" trend and after not liking previous stuff they just left to other games
7.- As people has said Maps have become encreasingly sniper biased and a lot of times you just can push forward with a wall of snipers and other things waiting for you in the other side
8.- Spawn zone (red-blue) campers who dont move from there and are almost impossible to counter
9.- Rampant server issues, with lag-spikes, packet loss, etc.
10.- No 24/7 H LATAM servers, LATAM should always have a 32v32, 64v64, 127v127 as the community works differently to other regions and there isnt always people in queue to open servers
11.- confusing UI and loadout system, lets face it guys most people dont even customize their soldiers and a lot were upset for not being able to customize it and loadouts from the main menu

those are the things i recall atm, feel free to add more.

[dull nexus]

Yeah, love the game. Would do a lot to see it succeed.

[vale wyvern]

oh also salhan is pretty fun even for 200+ players but the moment the majority of buildings are completly gone it turns into a shitfest

[dusty frigate]

the message was edited after what i sent

misunderstanding

[jagged chasm]

mmm

[midnight tusk]

First of all, there only two ways. Or getting modders entire game as it is with SDK (that equals open source game with every possible asset), or implement safe way to mods. You seemingly dont understand, how that should work

[wanton quartz]

I think you just listed the things you didnt like about the game at launch

[hollow steeple]

what about maps like bf4 metro or locker ?, they aren't as compact as fugris tunnel systems

[loud flame]

its so crazy to me you guys did not hire some more people like PR atleast

[modern viper]

Because I don't mod that is why I pinged muj lol

[scarlet fiber]

Vilaskis dont take suggestions

[sudden field]

maybe, but that is what I recall, I dont think vector was balanced at launch idk

[modern viper]

Who has been asking for this a better part of a year

[long depot]

muttrah city

[raw onyx]

how do you get the christmas skin for the m110

[hollow steeple]

right i forgot that one

[dull elm]

Honestly that's not exactly true, I am making this game because I wanted to have a game that I can enjoy, anyway who shares the idea behind it, be my guest and I am listening you completely, if you want it to shift something else, that's the point I would say, play on community servers.

[dusty frigate]

of course, that will always be the case. so surely the best plan would be to get a consensus based on what maps are most commonly voted for and played, factor in any player number drop off on a map switch and figure out what maps are popular and try and compare all of them and find out why that is, then improve based on that

[vocal plaza]

id love to, have u fixed them yet? :)

[wanton quartz]

@dull elm If you want to figure out which maps are good I honestly think you can just look at the maps with the most cover. I honestly cant think of a map that has a bunch of cover that I dont like.

[dull elm]

254 doesn't work in doors....

[dusty frigate]

i only play on community servers bc official servers are ass

[dull elm]

Vilaskis have statistics, most popular, least popular etc.

[raw onyx]

how do you get the christmas skin for the m110

[river bane]

grand bazaar

[fiery warren]

I play on official servers and I have a blast

[sand hollow]

less open fields and bushes for campers, that's all imo