limpid spire
It was perfect in .14
Idk why it was removed from the map screen and made objectively more clunky and worse to use taking up precious space that could be used for something else
it was PERFECTLY fine the way it was.
A lot of the stuff in .15 I like but there's some quite boneheaded choices being made to artificially pad out and limit the player.
Just put the stats back on the map.
just put it back please there was no need to change this it is objectively awful
chrome river
It'd be cool if we can mod our own nav stations when we get them installed so we can swap out or in the newer tech released by the devs!
limpid spire
yeah that'd be really cool
polar rune
I must say the new data pane is very cramped, the data that fitted in a full size strip is now squeezed into half sized, and that isn't a good change mainly because the target data is the primary view you use to navigate to destinations.
It does need to reflect that importance, possibly splitting the point of reference into its own pane, or the text info into the sensors pane.
limpid spire
it's a shame that its currently not the case and instead things are made actively worse and calling it progress
its just so baffling how the new map was made effectivley twice as big
while showing practically nothing
then the stuff it did show is now its own thing, which takes up so much more space than it used to in total
the map could be half it size
bitter grotto
The old module should be a rare drop.
limpid spire
Would love something, anything, to show the devs at least acknowledge this hideous issue
Why is the map and data separated into something practically double the footprint
Having the data on the map was perfect
Or make the map half its size
scenic badger
I disagree; a bigger map screen is a good thing, especially when it comes to combat. I love the modularity of the new nav, it lets me rip out modules I just don't need. Map control toggle? Gone, sitting in the inventory. Diagnostics module? Also gone. Aerodynamics module? Same, unless I happen to be in atmo and actually need it. You're not meant to have every module mounted at the same time, tailor your nav for what you need right now, which is also why I want a standalone accelerometer or for one to be incorporated into the manuever drive module; there's even a nice spot for it below the RCS/Rotors toggle switch.
limpid spire
So why would you ever need to choose between having target data and no map or a map and no target data
You always need both
I like the new system a lot
Just not this specific part it makes no sense
scenic badger
Which is a fair point, but I like being able to choose where things are. Maybe someone else likes the target data on the left of the map, personally that would drive me nuts
limpid spire
The best place it ever was was directly on the map
.14 was great I just don't get how they can make it worse and think it's better
scenic badger
I could see a case for including the old style map as a module for those that want it; more choice is almost never a bad thing
limpid spire
You know what. I said on previous manic rants, if it was something you could find, akin to a Hydra holy grail item, that'd be great i would understand that
If that was the case I wouldn't be so bewildered and upset I'd be praising it
The fact this is the only option, a severely more gimped and worse to use option, that's the issue
scenic badger
Then perhaps that's what the suggestion should be, rather that just a straight regression to the old style. An old style map module, make it rare; though with the random nature of loot that rarity is going to vary from person to person
limpid spire
Yeah that's fair
I just hope the devs listen
This is almost as baffling as the first attempt at changing the time controls which was so awful. Makes you wonder what's going on in the background. But that's not the point if this post entirely
scenic badger
They have a pretty good track record of including things that are wanted, with the caveat that it may not be soon as dev time may be focused on other priorities
limpid spire
I understand yeah, you're right
Still, I hope one of them sees the functionality objectively and sees it makes no sense
Just take the .14 screen and make it drop in place
limpid spire
Can't believe people actually want half of the function over double the space
Mind blowing
Make it make sense
delicate rover
Then perhaps that's what the suggestion should be, rather that just a straight r...
I second this, but I see no reason it should be rare. it doesn't offer any objective advantages over the new version, so it should probably be quite common, maybe even available to purchase somewhere on k-leg so that people who prefer the old layout don't need to put up with the new one until they find the right module
delicate rover
Can't believe people actually want half of the function over double the space
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just preferance, I guess. I like the flexability of reserves, target data, and map being seperate. I see no reason all that info should be crammed into a tiny space, when there's plenty of free room on the nav colsole gained by ripping out the largely useless "controls" module
of course, this is just my preference and use case, and I see why one would possibly use the controls module (perhaps as an accessibility feature)
drifting vale
Can't believe people actually want half of the function over double the space
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The Devs are roleplaying the part of Evil Capitalists, making things worse and calling it BETTER.
limpid spire
The Devs are roleplaying the part of Evil Capitalists, making things worse and c...
Finally someone sees it how it is lol
Roleplay or not, its awful
drifting vale
(Forgive the redundancy of using the word Evil twice in a row above)
drifting vale
Roleplay or not, its awful
The entire game is awful.
It's inspiring me to write a story linked into the universe about an uprising that leads to a Revolution, one could do a great deal of damage with a ship that OOPS just happened to smash into the exact area the "police 🚨" keep their ships 🤯
polar rune
The Devs are roleplaying the part of Evil Capitalists, making things worse and c...
Giving us Microslop update for the nav terminal. Didn't think the devs were that evil 😀
drifting vale
That's helpful in development of a revolutionary consciousness, did you ever wonder why everything is so damaged and decayed?
Why is the maximum quality we see below 👇 minimum for real ships?!
placid oyster
The old module should be a rare drop.
I feel like there should be at least 3 'maps' of different sizes. Small, Medium, and Delux. You want old layout? Get a smaller map and place target data besides it.
Same for Target data, multiple sizes: the current one, slightly expanded one to match old behavior and a detailed one to show target like it's done in combat.
robust garnet
I agree that the old version of combined map/target data should be made into a "V2 Map Module" giving players the choice between the two.
hollow prawn
I dont know if we technically can do a V2 like the old one any more due to how the offscreen rendering is done to achieve all the lines.
But different map sizes, and a change of nav info panel layout to be more like the old one are both things i like the sound of.
The current state of configurable nav mods is a baseline set that we hope to build on top of. Like with the weapons firing buttons mod, we can and hope to make alternate sized versions of the same things.
limpid spire
That's a real shame
I can understand how the tech works but in terms of user experience, it's one of the much more baffling changes
there is no possible reason to ever choose to not have the map, target data, or fuel loads without the others
or like, not have them at all
fringe kelp
It would be nice if those were just always there, it can be a real pain in the ass to get all the modules to fly sometimes
robust garnet
More MFDs, multi-function displays, maybe?
limpid spire
yeah... that could work
polar rune
I've played a while with the new console and TBH it's fine.
The orange text part can be annoying as it scrolls almost everything that isn't "?", and some ship names are so long you just can't read them as they scroll back and forwards, but the display is good. I don't think it really needs to be changed.
Unless, the orange text is put with the sensor target display as its longer or the panel is changed to be a square, orange text across the full width and the other numbers in 2 columns underneath.