#[0.14.4.9][🛑] Ostranauts Autoloader (Ostra.Autoloader)

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sleek shuttle
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I got distracted.

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My workflow is .. insane. 😛

hollow valley
# sleek shuttle https://github.com/bitMuse-Ostranauts/LaunchControl/actions/runs/19209271105/job...

That is pretty complicated. I know you can cut back a few steps by using the BepInEx nuget package. They don't have the absolute newest version available for reference but the latest one is perfectly compatible, I've been told. There's also a UnityEngine nuget that has stripped assemblies although I don't know if that has a version as old as the one Ostra is using and it may lack some of the other libraries anyway.

If you want to make your TS dependencies portable Aaron provides nuget access to the the Thunderstore via a feed, which I can find for you, as well.

I also know the guy in charge of the Dehumidifier project, LordFireSpeed (he's one of my staff at LC Modding) and while I can't make any promises I can always ask him to add new games to his stripped gamelibs nuget workflow he maintains

sleek shuttle
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Nuget is kind of garbo.

hollow valley
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The benefit of nuget is that it restores in the CI and also for anyone else that wants to contribute to your project

sleek shuttle
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That's what my resolver does.

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I don't know how closely you looked.

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It's quite clever!

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Like my projects rely on each other, contributing is quite easy for dependencies. ^_^

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It looks at what's in your manifest and then hits the TS manual download to grab the zip and extract it before compile time.

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So as long as your mod is on TS it will work.

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Stripped gamelibs is also legally questionable. You'd have to get permission from dan.

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Which is why I fetch my own shims and download them via encrypted archive and decrypt using a CI secret.

hollow valley
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Stripping explicitly removes all content that qualifies as any expression

sleek shuttle
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Incorrect.

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Method signatures are intellectual property.

hollow valley
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I'm not going to entertain that argument

sleek shuttle
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You don't have to. It's literally been proven in court.

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So both of our opinions are irrelevant.

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But if dan greenlights some shims, I will happily consume them!

hollow valley
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I think you should just do whatever it is you want to do then

sleek shuttle
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Ye! I wasn't asking for help.

hollow valley
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Clearly

hollow valley
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https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/LSB10597
I don't know where you got your info from but in 2021 the Supreme Court of the United States found that copying "declaring code" or "interface" was fair use and declined to comment on if it was something that could be copyrighted at all

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Examining the nature of Java's API, Justice Breyer's opinion relied on the highly functional nature of declaring code as weighing in favor of fair use. The opinion found that declaring code, as part of a user interface, is "inherently bound together with uncopyrightable ideas" such as "general task division and organization." As a result, it is "further than are most computer programs (such as the implementing code) from the core of copyright." In other words, assuming that declaring code is copyrightable at all, the Court found that the scope of its copyright protection is narrower (and the scope of fair use accordingly broader).
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Further, the dissent's opinion was that the majority's interpretation via fair use made it "difficult to imagine any circumstance in which declaring code will remain protected by copyright"

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I'm situated in the US so this law and precedent applies to me but the EU has a similar "function vs use" stance and I can't find anything indicating my stance that stripped assemblies are legal in the two major regions that concern copyright is wrong

sleek shuttle
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copying the shape/organization of an API can be treated as copying protectable expression.

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They didn't decide in that case but they did delay the decision on copyrightable APIs

hollow valley
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Yea we're linking the same case

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They held that Google's use was fair use in the majority and the dissent complained that its unlikely declaring code can be upheld as copyrightable if that's the case

sleek shuttle
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And they didn't make a decision on the API's structure being copyrightable, and sided with Google

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But it did go to court.

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so it's at least probative

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I don't have the money, personally, to go to court over this, and while I doubt BBG would, who knows what their publisher would do, etc. Would rather just not risk it.

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Ultimately it's every individual's prerogative to decide where that line is for them. I don't have an opinion or the morality or ethicality of it, just that it contains an amount of risk I don't like.

hollow valley
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That's a stance that doesn't invite any challenge and a much better lead than telling me its a settled thing in court when the case seems to hold that declaring code isn't likely to stand up as copyrightable

sleek shuttle
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I wasn't aware there was a challenge at all.

hollow valley
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I just don't understand you at all

sleek shuttle
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I'm a cryptid. Vibing in my lane. Thriving.

hollow valley
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Telling me I'm wrong so confidently when the ruling has the majority say declaring code is inherently bound with uncopyrightable ideas and the dissent says that if that's true then its not even copyrightable

hollow valley
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In the short time we've interacted you've done nothing but frustrate me and I'm starting to think we should stop

sleek shuttle
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I'm sorry that you feel that way.

hollow valley
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I went and looked into how the chainloader works after this because I believed you and this isn't even close to how it works

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Like you just say things, do you just "vibe talk" too?

sleek shuttle
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I think you should stop.

hollow valley
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I think we should both stop

sleek shuttle
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Honestly, wish you the best with your projects. You know your stuff well.

hollow valley
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I'd be happier if we just didn't talk anymore

hasty basin
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Hay @hollow valley, so what if I made another thunderstore group were I put current mods on thunderstore until the modders request them removed to add manually?

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Is it breach of thunderstore tos to upload their mods w/out direct permission?

hollow valley
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Uh, official policy is don't upload things you don't have explicit permission to