pokemon-winds-waves

[forest egret]

I'm curious if this gen's gonna have a twist villain like the last 2

[fierce shell]

You mean a obvious evil business person?

[forest egret]

I'm not saying they're good but that's what they are

[smoky bison]

Twist villain is a bit far fetched in Gen 8s case

[fierce shell]

Probably

[white jungle]

Giovanni is also on team abusive parent but he was just like absent so :/

[fierce shell]

I wonder how multiplayer will work

[lament glen]

Probably with connecting to rooms via passwords or something

[fierce shell]

Imagine you're shiny hunting and someone just kills it

[forest egret]

All that stuff might be local, idk

[white jungle]

Multiplayer seems to be just go anywhere you like in the same region as the people you're playing as so I think we all know what's coming next.

Pokémon Servers

That's right welcome to Hypixel Pokémon

[lament glen]

90% sure, yeah

As if gamefreak would be able to have everything be connected in real time

[fierce shell]

I highly doubt the game will be optimized for four player battles

Two people will have to sit out each time

[smoky bison]

That would be so typical

[forest egret]

I could see it working like PokeMMO, which yeah would be typical

[limpid depot]

I doubt it's local honestly
How would that even work?

[smoky bison]

Connect 2 switches together or smth

[fierce shell]

You can only go so far from your other players

Since there was no split screen

[smoky bison]

wdym, we have had local multiplayer since the 70s

[white jungle]

I want more ride options

Pixelmon lets you ride most things

[fierce shell]

I hope they improve the follow Pokémon mechanic

The gen 8 one sucks

[limpid depot]

So
Online but without online
They would not be stupid enough to advertise multiplayer so much and end up with that

[smoky bison]

You sure?

[forest egret]

I think I might be using the wrong sorta word. What would be the term you'd describe a game where you can see other players playing but you can't really interact with their instance of the game

[fierce shell]

Did they say it would be online?

[white jungle]

Oh and also given that gen 5 remakes are coming up

Gimme in-game Genesect sometime soon

[smoky bison]

Like Sw/Sh?

[forest egret]

Is that how it works in Sw/Sh because I wouldn't know

[limpid depot]

True
This combined with Legends Arceus' "stay out of the ball and stand here" thing would be so cool and immersive if they could pull it off

[white jungle]

We need more "Mewtwo in a cave" shit like we had in Kalos

[smoky bison]

Yeah it's basically like in Fromsoft games

You just see them running around a bit

[fierce shell]

I bet in battle even if a Pokémon is following you you will still throw their poke all out

And it will break immersion

I have no idea why they didn't take battle mechanics from Arceus and just add on the normal stuff

[limpid depot]

True
I love when legendaries have unique dungeons and stuff
Last few gens just had this more simplistic hunt where you basically get all of them by just, looking at the one place made to get all of them

It was like this with the latios sky in oras, with the ultraspace in sm, with the isle of armor in swsh

[fierce shell]

This open world region is probably gonna be a circle

[smoky bison]

I want the legends to be like the Regis in gen 3, hidden away and you have to find them

[fierce shell]

I can't image a good open world without a jump button

[fierce shell]

Gen 3 Regis were unexplained puzzles

Like evolving Galarian Yamask

[smoky bison]

I'm not saying to use the same convoluted puzzles

[limpid depot]

I think the big problem with legendaries is that they seemingly want a way for all of them to be catchable
And since there are more and more as the years go by they start to have to make more "general" ways to get everything instead of having a thought out experience for each

[smoky bison]

I was talking about you having to go on a safari to find them. Instead of the gen 8 approach of "hey, just go do the main story and you get them all for free"

[fierce shell]

With calyrex, the birds, and the new Regis they had that

The caves were just for the old legends

The urshifus also had a quest line to get them

[limpid depot]

One of the big upsides I saw in cutting the dex is allowing old legendaries to just not have to appear somewhere so they can feel special
But then literally all of them came back in the dlc so congrats ya did nothing with it

[smoky bison]

They didn't. The regis especially. A clearly marked stone monument with a grade school-level puzzle isn't exactly what I would call a safari

[fierce shell]

No one was going to bring a dreadnaw at level 27 holding a focus band at 3PM unless the dataminers said so

A grade school level puzzle is the level for their targeted audience

[smoky bison]

Their audience is 50% adults and even calling it a grade school-level puzzle is giving it too much credit. You literally just step on the floor and you are done

[limpid depot]

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

[smoky bison]

Also I am not talking about making the puzzle a completely impossible-to-figure-out chain of events.

[limpid depot]

Don't kid yourself, 99% of pokemon's audience is 5 years old
We only want to believe otherwise to feel less lame about liking kid stuff

[forest egret]

You must enter a lab and leave your switch running for 9 real months so Mewtwo can form in the vat and you can catch him

[smoky bison]

The average Pokemon Go player age is 25

[limpid depot]

Also tbh
The original regi puzzles were far from impossible
Ya just had to do real research, as in, translate the messages to braile

[smoky bison]

78% of PoGO players are above the age of 18

HOLY SHIT

[limpid depot]

Do you think kids use their real age in phone games?

No, they use their parent's acount

[smoky bison]

I think you overestimate the amount of children playing Pkmn games.

[limpid depot]

I only got my own google account at like 15 and everything before that was in my mom's

I'm 100% sure the pokemon go statistics are just that

[smoky bison]

The vast majority of players were kids at one point surely, but I think that has changed drastically. People grew up on the franchise and a lot of them are still playing

[fierce shell]

Also Pokémon go doesn't reflect mainline games

Of course adults are more likely to have phones and go out into the world to get Pokémon

Kids wouldn't have much option other than school and home

[smoky bison]

Eh. Just seeing the demographic shows the interest of the adult world in the franchise. It doesn't fully translate but you can extrapolate trends from it

[fierce shell]

Also yeah, I've been 37 according to nintendo and Google since I was 10

[fierce shell]

Go is targeted towards and older audience

[forest egret]

I was born in 1991 on Steam

[fierce shell]

The characters are older and most trailers include people in their teen years and up

[smoky bison]

I am not saying anything about the target audience of the games. I am talking about the actual audience

[fierce shell]

Adults play PokeGo more because it's for them

The mainline games are mostly played by children

So using Go data doesn't really help for mainline

[limpid depot]

The adults is not where the money comes in
If it really was, then SwSh would not be a switch best seller
It's a kids game. Kids and families are all that matters. Not a bunch of losers on the internet like us.

[smoky bison]

You assume that without any data to back it up. Whatever, I concede whatever argument we had

[limpid depot]

The data is the fact the games are successful at all

[fierce shell]

I also assume that Sesame Street Monster Music has a child audience, guess that's illogical too

[limpid depot]

Half of the adult fanbase has hated the franchise lately

[smoky bison]

and the buy, and buy, and buy anyway

[limpid depot]

Most of the people who played the old games as kids grew out of them

[fierce shell]

Cause it's Pokémon

[smoky bison]

Same with those idiots pumping money into Diablo. They say they hate it but do everything in their power to support it

[fierce shell]

Cause they know it will go away if they don't

And if it's gone it can't get any better

[smoky bison]

....???

"Let's support bad practices because SURELY that will make them never use them again!"

[limpid depot]

Yes that is true
That happens
It has happened with nintendo like 3 times over

[smoky bison]

when has it happened

[fierce shell]

1. Makes game
2. No one buys game
3. Doesn't make the game again

[fierce shell]

This isn't nintendo but it happens a lot with Sonic

[forest egret]

Can we talk about the funny olive and le pig instead, or anything else that's probably not this

[smoky bison]

yeah

[fierce shell]

I saw some people talking about Lechonk's dex

[forest egret]

Muscle pig

[fierce shell]

It would be cool if abilities had effects in the overworld

Like bug types stay away if you have lechonk out

[limpid depot]

Chibi Robo Ziplash
Starfox Zero
Literally all the pile of single game franchises nobody cares about

[fierce shell]

Or Magcargo leaves a fire trail

[forest egret]

Some of them have done so before, so it's not out of the realm of possibility atleast

[fierce shell]

Yeah but those were player activated

I mean like automatic things

So abilities seem less like something that only exists in battle

[limpid depot]

I doubt any of that will ever happen outside of Snap

[fierce shell]

Right now abilities seem less like a feature of the world and more like a gameplay mechanic

While moves and stuff have slowly been integrated

Also I have a hood idea for replacing HMs

[forest egret]

It would be neat in general if pokemon had dynamic effects in how they move in the world, not even from a gameplay perspective either - If magcargo left a little trail of scorched grass wherever it went that'd be awesome

[fierce shell]

Instead of moves you just have a list of Pokémon that can break rocks, or cut trees, or swim etc

Then if you have a Pokémon, they can just do it in the overworld

But that's probably too much thought for game freak

[patent rivet]

That still means you have to have certain Pokémon on your team

[fierce shell]

The lists would be pretty big

[patent rivet]

I think having items to do those things would be better

[fierce shell]

Like 400 Pokémon or so could do each thing

[lament glen]

Okay thats maybe a bit too big lol

[fierce shell]

Over 800 Pokémon and not even all are garunteed to be in game

With dex cuts it would probably be closer to 200 per game, and within those 200 different lines are included

[lament glen]

That doesnt change the percentage

If 400 mons can cut trees, thats pretty much 50% of all mons. At that point its barely even a roadblock at all anymore. Just a pointless thing stoping you and forcing you to spam a for a bit

But I like the idea of you just needing to have a mon that can technically learn an Hm without it actually needing the move

[patent rivet]

I just think forcing you to have certain Pokémon on your team isn’t good

[forest egret]

Because they've been phasing those sorts of roadblocks more and more, i wonder if they'll even have them at all in this game with it's non-linear stuff

[smoky bison]

I would like that

[fierce shell]

Needing certain items and stuff is a staple of open world games

Like botw

[patent rivet]

Items are different from Pokémon

[smoky bison]

In BOTW, you get all your tools in the beginning

And bam

Nothing more, you are done

That comparison doesn't really fly at all here

[fierce shell]

Nah, you gotta come back with ancient arrows and the runes for some parts unless you use glitches

[patent rivet]

Also BotW only requires you to get the runes and paraglider and then you can do whatever you want

[fierce shell]

And there are special items to go to certain areas

Like the thunder helm

[patent rivet]

OK, but those things aren’t required to beat the game

[smoky bison]

You get all the runes in the beginning and ancient arrows aren't really needed for anything. Stuff like the thunder helmet are just story items.

[forest egret]

Botw also doesn't have team building stuff right

[fierce shell]

And the Pokémon stuff wouldn't be either

[fierce shell]

There is a inventory system

[patent rivet]

And your weapons break

[fierce shell]

The quest items for the divine beasts are

[patent rivet]

Nope

You can go straight to Ganon

[smoky bison]

The thunder helmet is the same thing as the silph scope in gen 1, not like the HMs

[patent rivet]

You just have to beat each Ganon blight in the castle before Calamity Ganon

[fierce shell]

You're telling me I didn't have to spend hours clipping in?

[smoky bison]

lmao no, you can literally beat the game in the first half an hour or so glitchless

[patent rivet]

Well, you might need glitches to do it that fast

Since the great plateau takes a while

[fierce shell]

You definitely do

[smoky bison]

Yeah, travelling time would put you near the 1 hour mark

[forest egret]

I forget, did gen 7 have cut trees

[patent rivet]

Also the fastest speedrun is like 24 minutes

[patent rivet]

No

It has rocks to smash and boulders to push though

[smoky bison]

the boulder push one was always a bit weird imo

[forest egret]

Ye, so like I feel like those trees wouldn't even work that well in the design of something open

[patent rivet]

Gen 6 made them into large thorny bushes

[forest egret]

Huh

I guess that's about the only way you could do it, that makes sense. I still imagine those won't return here

If they do include roadblocks like that in SV then they'll probably not be things you need certain pokemon to get past them with

It'd be tools like the SwSh bike or Ride pokemon. Not neccesarily those exact things but in terms of function that's what I'd imagine

[lapis linden]

I am hoping for a less linear story in SV tbh it being open world gives me some hopes, or perhaps even just a story lined up more like Legends cause i liked how the story progressed in Legends felt less linear even though it still was just hidden

[smoky bison]

I think it felt like that because the story was a byproduct of you just doing your job in the survey corps

[lapis linden]

Yeah, i want a natural feeling story lmao go figure

[fierce shell]

||apparently you can do gyms in any order||

[lament glen]

I am hoping for a less linear story in SV tbh it being open world gives me some hopes, or perhaps even just a story lined up more like Legends cause i liked how the story progressed in Legends felt less linear even though it still was just hidden

[lapis linden]

Lol

[fierce shell]

||So it will probably be like BOTW where there's a main objective and then a bunch of stuff on the side you can do towards that. I imagine a legendary would be Ganon, but idk if Pokémon can fill out a world like the BOTW creators did||

[lament glen]

I don't think if will be quite that similar

[lapis linden]

ShSw had a story it was just shit even by Pokémon standards

[fierce shell]

It was basic but it wasn't bad

Just contrived and old

[lapis linden]

A energy problem waaaay off in the future is not a good reason to possibly destroy your home

[fierce shell]

He thought he would be able to control it

[lament glen]

That game did not have a story and you cannot convince me otherwise

[lapis linden]

The evidence that it was a bad idea was literally everywhere

[lament glen]

Its just a random cutscene here and there where the other characters repeat the same Sun/Moon animations and rotate around

[lapis linden]

Sonya didn’t do a whole lot to figure it all out

[patent rivet]

The story was you gotta beat the gym leaders

[lament glen]

My favorite moment was when Hop caught a legendary by throwing air at it

[fierce shell]

Hop got a max luck stay

*stat

But everything else sucks

He's Pants at life

[lament glen]

Truly one of the moments of all time

[fierce shell]

My favorite part was when Hop said it's Hoppin time and turned into scorbunny

[lapis linden]

I liked Hop as a concept for a rival but he missed a lot for me lol

[limpid depot]

I hate that I laughed at that

[lament glen]

Made me tear up deep inside

[patent rivet]

Especially the dialogue when you OHKO all his Pokémon and he says it’s a close one

Or when he says type advantages

[lament glen]

Pokemon had enough rivals, they should try a new setting and concept that requires new archetypes for once

[lapis linden]

Like what? Friends? Like XY? 😂

[lament glen]

No, just play in a setting where there are no gyms and no rivals and no professor etc

[fierce shell]

The friends were still your rivals in some sense

[fierce shell]

Pokepark

[smoky bison]

They could start by turning them into actual characters and not just fodder for the player

[forest egret]

Reoccuring characters that want to kill you horribly

[fierce shell]

That's what the spinoff games are for

The mainline games are games be doing this stuff till the end of time

[lapis linden]

That would basically break mainline Pokémons things lol people got mad at them for the trials and then later liked it but still lol

[smoky bison]

People said the same about BotW though and that did extremely well

But I guess big ventures like that are better for spinoffs. Like PLA was

[fierce shell]

Zelda broke the program many times

It was known for all the innovation and stuff

[lapis linden]

But zelda i feel has a less fickle fanbase lol not saying it couldn’t work for Pokémon i am saying I don’t see it working

[fierce shell]

Zelda also doesn't really have side games other than warriors and the rhythm games

Most of the titles are just different timelines in main continuity

[smoky bison]

Zelda didn't break the program at all ever since Ocarina of Time

[lament glen]

Trials are still waaaaaay better than the gyms in any gen

[fierce shell]

I believe links awakening was pretty different

[lapis linden]

The biggest issue with changing anything in Pokémon is how small of a company Gamefreak is

[fierce shell]

Trials were wack and wasted honestly

[lament glen]

just no

[fierce shell]

I really liked gen 6 gyms

Rock climbing, roller skating, a spiderweb

Cool ideas

It even had a ride for one gym

[lapis linden]

Gen6 had good stuff

[fierce shell]

Only gen 8 gym that for something that cool was the wooloo one

[lament glen]

Ah yes, rooms with 4 teleporters in them, how inovative

[lapis linden]

I liked most Gen8 gyms even if the puzzles were simple

[fierce shell]

Wasn't that only the fairy/psychic one?

[lament glen]

~only~

[lapis linden]

Sabrina flash backs

[fierce shell]

I wish they were more than flip switch or step on rock

[lament glen]

Gen 6 gyms had nothing special about them imo

Complestly interchangable to gen 1 2 3 4 5 and 8 gyms

[fierce shell]

In what other gym do you climb?

Or do parkour with vines?

[lament glen]

its not just about the puzzle for me

as a whole

only gen 7 had cool gyms, especially the 2 v 1 totem fights

[lapis linden]

I think tomate is just bored with the Pokémon formula lol

[fierce shell]

The leaders themselves were quite fun too

[fierce shell]

Trials were literally just walking to the boss and fighting them

[lapis linden]

Lol

[fierce shell]

Fighting means using confuse ray and then winning

[limpid depot]

I'm pretty sure gen 5 had very similar swing mechanics

[lapis linden]

I liked what trials were attempting to do if you added more interesting puzzles i might have been more interested in them lol

[fierce shell]

I couldn't get past the ice puzzle in bw

[limpid depot]

The trials were only really different by name and number of them

[smoky bison]

That's just a remaster of an old game though

[lament glen]

Thank you for summing up every single pokemon battle in every single pokemon game

Totem 2 v 1 fights could actually be hard and made you think differently

Better than spamming a single super effective move against every gym leader ever

[lapis linden]

Idk i never struggled with totems fight either and still basically spammed super effective moves, i can see your point i just don’t think it was executed as well as you believe it was lol

[limpid depot]

Nobody likes pokemon for the gameplay anyways

It's just conceptually good and that's all that kinda matters in the end

Trying to argue which game plays better outside of competitive is kinda useless

[lapis linden]

Lol

Lets just hope the gimmick doesn’t break competitive again

[lament glen]

Maybe I'm biased because I've only played gen 7 with crap teams and without z moves, which actually made it really fun and challenging

[fierce shell]

I didn't even have a level 20 till like trial 2

And it was easy

Just used leafage until it died

Then when I got razor leaf I used that

[lapis linden]

The issue was the support Pokémon were often the same element meaning if you could deal with the totem you could deal with the support

[fierce shell]

At least raihan had strategy

[lament glen]

Some of them had coll support mons

Don't remember any of the top of my head tho

[lapis linden]

Some I don’t remember any that made a difference lol

[lament glen]

other than scizor with the dragon guy

[fierce shell]

The support mons also didn't do much

If they used helping hand then it would be hard

But they just did tackle and stuff

[lapis linden]

I think the electric totem brought in a drizzle mon lol

[lament glen]

The grass one had a Castoform, which was

[lapis linden]

Castform needs a buff

[lament glen]

some did have helping hand for sure

[fierce shell]

Never used it in my playthrough

[lament glen]

castform is perfect as it is 😤

[fierce shell]

Mostly because they didn't heal much so they died fast

[fierce shell]

True

It should have been Raihan's ace

Since he uses whether

[lapis linden]

But it’s trash in battle lol

[lapis linden]

Raihan disappointed me his strategy dies in the championship matches lol

[fierce shell]

They weren't committed enough

Game freak rarely is

[lapis linden]

Fair

[lament glen]

not every mon needs to be competitively viable

I wanna use the weak guys

[lapis linden]

Lol

[fierce shell]

PU exists for something

[lapis linden]

😂

[fierce shell]

Although I wish there were some official lower tier tournaments

[lapis linden]

True

[lament glen]

Playing through a pokemon game with lucario, tyranitar and snorlax just sounds miserable to me

I much prefer using spinda, comfey and furfrou

[fierce shell]

I think my winning team was my starter and the route one marsupial

I don't catch many Pokémon on my playthrough

Only really do so if I need a type advantage

Or if it's dwebble

[lapis linden]

I just use what looks cool

[patent rivet]

And also Raichu

[lapis linden]

Raichu is cool lmao

[lament glen]

well of course youre not gonna ever run into a challenge with your overleveled starter then

[lapis linden]

I used alolan raichu in my Moon and ultra moon play throughs while it died a lot it was fun to use lol it has no bulk

[fierce shell]

I skip all the trainers and Pokémon

I'm always under level

The only Pokémon I put work into leveling up was Yamask cause I learned his evo method was funny

[lapis linden]

I am always under levelled as well lmfao

Minus SwSh in which I purposely over levelled and had a level 100 G rapidash cause lol

[fickle birch]

@stray terrace Post it here with spoilers please, if that's okay. 🙂

[fierce shell]

Oof

[little whale]

Rip

[compact sequoia]

poor dude

[smoky bison]

LMAO

[fickle birch]

Finished the Koraidon sprite from Smogon, so it'll be getting QC now. Gave it some alternate palettes for fun as well. 🙂

[forest egret]

Looking good

[smoky bison]

You know that instead of going for alt palletes like that for the shiny version, it will only be smth like the tip of its dick a slightly lighter skintone and nothing else

[late tendon]

Dick

sure pepsiman sure

[smoky bison]

So many missed opportunities with the shinies already, I have zero faith in gamefreak

[late tendon]

The only thing I hope for is that Smoliv's shiny should be black

I like pretty much all shinies in gen 8 exxcept galarian Farfetch'd

The only thing's that Corvinight's shiny could be even whiter but it's not that important

[smoky bison]

Morpeko should have had the switch colours

[late tendon]

I find people disliking shiny galarian Mime and Rime but I like them

Eh, maybe not switched, just more obvious change

[smoky bison]

No, I mean the colours of the Switch game console

[late tendon]

I personally don't quite like when colors are just switched with galarian birbs being one exception

LMFAO

Ok that quickly became genius

I want more variety for some shinies, like

Blue or black shinies for fire types and autumn shinies for grasses are too popular

Black olive Smoliv instead of just making it orange would be amazing

[smoky bison]

I wouldn't mind it if shinies deviated a little more than just colours either

A different type of bulb on ivysaur or smth

But now that we have regionals, that might be too much

[late tendon]

I can see some mons having more cosmetic forms, Arbok for example

They said that there's more than 20 patterns for Arbok but the only thing we can see is that how they're slightly different from gen to gen

While anime and manga has different patterns like happy, angry, crying, etc

Would be fun if your old Arboks got different patterns depending on which old game they were transfered from + some other patterns found in a new game

[fickle birch]

I know right, new Shinies are depressing. 😦

[limpid depot]

Man, true, I really love stuff like that

If every pokemon with spots or stripes could have a spinda-like algorithm to make em all realistically unique it'd be so awesome
Even if it was just like, 10 variations each mon instead of almost infinite

[white jungle]

I mean honestly I don't see why they can't do that

Especially if it was only on Pokémon with a very apparent pattern

Because it would just be the Spinda algorithm

[lament glen]

That would instantly make so many meh mons so much better in my eyes

[white jungle]

I think that uniqueness is exactly what Pokémon lacks currently

Because at the end of the day you can't look at your perfect EV shiny Aegislash or whatever the fuck and go "that's mine" because the only indicator of that is the fact your username is in its description

Which brings us to the Crux of the matter

Folks I've gathered you here today to tell you your Pokémon are NFTs

This may come as a shock to many but it's true it's all true

[lament glen]

Not the conclusion i wanted to reach

[white jungle]

That's Why they're called NFTs

It's a typo

They're actually Mon Freakable Ts

The T just stands for T like when people just have the middle name J

[patent rivet]

Not Fully evolvTed

[fierce shell]

I like in arceus that there are size differences

And the wurmples have horns and stuff

I wish mons were just slightly different every region

Would also make regional dexes more valid

[forest egret]

It'd be cool yeah. I think the anime has moments like that too

[fierce shell]

Yeah, Misty and Brock say stuff about the Pokémon being different here or something

If Pokémon cared about game freak as much as they do to the animation studios the games would be so good

[patent rivet]

What are you talking about

[forest egret]

I think in the PLA trailer the wurmple had a yellow horn on the back of its head rather than the usual pink, but it seems the ones on the game's release have the usual horn, unless there's some sort of unique wurmple in the game that has one? idk

[patent rivet]

Ah right, that was a mess up like how one Ponyta didn’t have a tail in that 24 hour livestream revealing Galarian Ponyta

[fierce shell]

In the trailer it was during the section that talked about variants in Pokémon

And missions for gathering different samples

[stray terrace]

i dont like them bc they're british

[fierce shell]

||seems like quackxly will be more humanoid than decidueye||

[white jungle]

Galarian Mr Mime makes me wish Alolan Sandslash had gotten an evolution too

Because being able to use eviolite might make it half decent

Steel and ice is NOT a good typing but I suppose nothing with ice is

[smoky bison]

AlolanSandslash had to be banned because it was so good

wait

There is no Galarian sandslash

[lapis linden]

Lol

[lapis linden]

Slush rush is a good ability tbh

[opal gull]

they didnt do those back then I think?

[patent rivet]

They didn’t

[lyric hedge]

Slush Rush Alolan Slash is a monster

Could you imagine it with stall walrien

[quiet frost]

Any ability and Pokémon combo would be toxic if used right

[hexed tusk]

I..
don't think I like pokemon anymore

[late tendon]

bad for u, they're cuties

[hexed tusk]

my body is not bready for this level of punnage

[late tendon]

Small olive and chunky lechon, I don't see the problem

[forest egret]

Smoliv does sorta teeter on the edge for me but I do like Lechonk's name wordplay

[hexed tusk]

Wait, is a lechon something?
after a google, I'm forced to accept lechonk as a good pun

[icy forge]

Lechon is a baby Pig in Spanish

Is funny Pokémon for me, like Slowpoke by example,not cool, not cute but funny and lovable

[fierce shell]

Le chonk also sounds French

[patent rivet]

https://youtu.be/L-zN0pYY-ak

[clear crest]

paw mee

smole liv

LLLEEEH CHOONK

WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[meager oasis]

onk in lechonk is also close to the word oink

Which is yknow what pigs do

Also i always forget pawme exists or whatever it’s name is lol

nobody talks about it

[icy forge]

Well. If you follow the Leaks Pawmi is a popular topic now

[tall meadow]

pawmi is just charizard pikachu

[icy forge]

Yes. And talking about how many times evolve or not

[meager oasis]

pawmi will have an evo?

i thought it was just pikachu clone

[fierce shell]

||Spoilers for pawmi evo stuff. And I heard it will be three stage. I hope so, the leaked second stage looks worse than the first||

[late tendon]

If it's an unofficial leak and not your personal speculation, please don't forget to hind it behind spoilers

[thin wolf]

https://twitter.com/Riddler_Khu/status/1550004751332282373

Zodiac Khuller (@Riddler_Khu)

We find it not fun anymore and we will stop sharing.

Likes

1371

Twitter · Jul 21, 2022, 6:28 AM

an end of an era

[patent rivet]

OK

[smoky bison]

Wasn't particularly fond of these leaks anyway

[thin wolf]

I mean I preffered them over getting told everything

it was more interessting en when someone cracked the code it was hype

[smoky bison]

The riddles were bad imo

[thin wolf]

The goodness of the riddle didn't really matter to me atleast , more the fact that he put time in it and that people were creatting discourse of of them

[smoky bison]

I guess so. It got people together. I just wanted cool riddles tho

[thin wolf]

instead of: here is a 20 page leak with story spoiler, every mon in the game and 50% of the staff's credit cards

[thin wolf]

would be cool if some actual codemaker/breaker made a riddle leak thing

there is a vacuum now

[fickle birch]

Khu's a vile person too, he's just throwing his toys out of the pram because the new leaker is getting all the attention because they... actually leak stuff. 😂

[thin wolf]

yeah khu wasn't a nice guy, he did the riddles for the wrong reason I suppose, more for his own fame and glory than to help create a community....

[patent rivet]

And he just gets angry and ragequits when someone solves and posts the riddle answers as if that wasn’t obviously going to happen

[patent rivet]

What does pram mean?

[thin wolf]

british I would assume? for what no clue

He called khu a baby

[fierce shell]

This new leaker really about to release the game early

[late tendon]

I had to stop following Riddler Khu cuz that way I had too many actual leaks in my feed instead of just fun riddles

[fierce shell]

The riddles this year were mostly just language checks

[forest egret]

Yeah idk if I'd call his riddles "fun" to begin with

Was following this account just because it was the most reliable source of pokemon leak stuff, never actually liked the person running it

Half of their tweets were just them bashing Centro and posting screenshots of redditors being mean to them

[fickle birch]

And the riddles were really obnoxious. I say this as someone who designed puzzles for a student newspaper. 😂

Although I've never been good at solving riddles.

[fierce shell]

I just absorbed his stuff through a third party youtuber so I didn't see most of his non relavant posts

I refuse to go on Twitter

[forest egret]

Well the riddles themselves never really revealled anything that good to me. Like, most of the info we actually know from Khu about this gen are from confirmations and him answering stuff, not the riddles

[fierce shell]

He posts cryptic images that no one will get and then he's forced to give out info to prove he has a source

The only riddle I've seen from him that goes past knowing another lanagauge is the computer bug one

But I guess that just needed a coding language knowledge

[fickle birch]

Which normally comes from him being flattered (because he's an egomaniac and that works easily) or pressured by people more willing to just be normal and give the info outright. 🙂

Also, Khu backtracked when he was likely wrong about something, leading to the term ||Regional Fakes||, which I still don't entirely understand but people are latching onto it. 😦

[fierce shell]

||the regional fakes term is so dumb, and I really hope that vampire jiggly puff isn't real. It's barely a pallet change||

[fickle birch]

||Regional Fakes I think are just Khu getting confused, because people are saying now that the Diglett one isn't even a 'Regional Fake', and is its own thing based on a garden eel. 😮||

||As for Jigglypuff, that's rumoured to be based on the Past/Future Variant mechanic. That definitely makes sense, though I'm with you on it being far too plain. I'd give it tribal marks like the one from the anime, at least. 😅||

[fierce shell]

||the ammongus looks quite cool, though if it really is based on convergent evolution, I would expect it to be a bit more different.||

[icy forge]

||Don,t remember where I watch them but I like thing that regional fakes are Pokémon similar but unrelated like Poliwrath and Seismitoad or Tauros and Bouffalant||

[fierce shell]

||Something like meowth but it's a dog or staraptor as a different kind of bird would be xool||

[icy forge]

||Ammongous and Jigglypuff are the Past/Future variant, nor regional fakes. But all is very confusing||

[fickle birch]

||I think Khu called these regional variants at first, but had to backtrack when he realised he was wrong. So he made the term up, even though it's something that's never had a term before because it doesn't need one. Timburr isn't Fake Machop and Bouffalant isn't Fake Tauros in the same way that Mimikyu is a literal fake Pikachu. 😂||

[icy forge]

||And Corphish isnt’ a fake Krabby 😅. But is a good way to know what we can expect||

[fickle birch]

Speaking of Corphish, we've still not seen the region it's said to originally come from. Same with Yungoos. 😅

And Cufant. 😮

[icy forge]

I doubt that one day we can see it…But Maybe in a Legends of Kyurem game could find an Unovan Yungoos 😅