pokemon-winds-waves

[lapis linden]

And galar as a region I enjoy but the story and shit felt rushed lol

[limpid depot]

Besides, a mechanic being in multiple regions won't steal the charm that the first games with that mechanic do have

[lapis linden]

I like to imagine Kalos won’t sell the patent to the mega bracelet to any other region

[limpid depot]

Pffff
Would be funny if the hoenn remakes weren't right there

[lapis linden]

Shhhhh steven stole the patent and now there is a secret war to get patents only in kalos 😂

Idk i know there’s a flaw there, still fun to think that the regions now a days are witholding the gimmick from other regions

[limpid depot]

Heh
I dunno, making up lore reasons for meta stuff I don't like gives a bad taste in my mouth
Feels like something an annoying kid who likes to defend companies for everything would do

"guys its ok that its a bad decision my headcanon says its lore accurate"
I've seem way too much of that shit

[forest egret]

The reason SwSh has ps2 trees is because Porygon can do that, it was intentional

[limpid depot]

Kskskksskksk

[white jungle]

I mean from a lore standpoint, a lack of megas in Galar could be because they have dynamax. Of course from an out-of-universe perspective we know megas are 100% better than dynamax, but cultural stuff like that isn't implausible

Of course I think removing megas is bullshit, they're the best non-regional gimmick

[smoky bison]

If lore is added at the cost of gameplay or fun, then it has no place getting added

[icy forge]

I dont understand why people love so much Megas and hate Dymanax. IMO Dynamax are more funny and all Pokemon are capable of using, Megas are restricted and mostly feel with boring/unappealing desing. But Just my opinion

[smoky bison]

people don't like dynamax because of gameplay reasons I believe

[white jungle]

Megas are an actual different gameplay mechanic

Dynamax just feels cheap and unoriginal in battle

Gigantamax is cool, but very limited and frankly aren't actually worth shit

Megas maybe aren't perfectly implemented, but their designs are good and they did buff some underused Pokémon

[icy forge]

Yes, but mostly buff well-known Pokemon, Sableye, Mawile or Glalie are the exception not the rule

And every Pokemon can use Dynamax

[forest egret]

Which means the op pokemon get it too. It doesn't even the playing field

[limpid depot]

In the end dynamax still favors stronger pokemon more than weaker ones too tho

For megas, there was at least a possibility it could make bad mon better

[forest egret]

And it's one of the reasons why it would be cool to see it back, because there's plenty of opportunity with it

[snow glade]

And then there’s mega rayquaza

[forest egret]

Mega Rayquaza functions differently since it doesn't need a mega stone, which makes it broken. Something that it honestly shares a problem with in Dynamaxed mons

[limpid depot]

Yeah
Megas could be done incredibly with a more thought-out execution if they didn't discard it too soon
Dynamax kinda screwed itself by being accessible to everyone, so it will inherently help already strong mons more anyways

Sadly all the problems with all of them seem to stem from trying to do something flashy and marketable over a good thought out mechanic

[snow glade]

A company would rather make another dollar than making everything ”fair to play against” and ”balanced for the metagame”

[white jungle]

I think at the very least

If they were gonna make Pseudos mega

They should have done every Pseudo for the cool factor

If you're gonna break shit, commit

I'd say same with starters but obv the are more of them

[forest egret]

I wonder if the actual gimmick they introduce in this region will be busted

I suppose only time will tell. If nothing else, I hope it looks cool

[smoky bison]

The biggest disappointment about dynamax was that more often than not, the gigantamax variants were worse than the normal dynamax ones

[white jungle]

Plus megas coming back gives so much potential for more clothing items too

We've seen people who don't use bands/charms/bracelets for their keystone

Give us that capability

[icy forge]

Talking about Megas and Dynamax hope they keep the League Card. For people who like write Fan Fics have a bit more of information always is welcome

[smoky bison]

Oh man, I didnt even think about that

How will the league play out?

[icy forge]

If I have to bet something I’d say that like Galar

[opal gull]

primals shouldn'vec ounted for mega slot too, lore be danged

[white jungle]

I think in an ideal world mega and primal could be used on the same team

But said ideal world needs there to be a degree of balance and a hell of a lot stronger Pokémon over all

[opal gull]

nah just too much to have both, effectively means everythings gonna have both

[patent rivet]

The primal reversions are basically just mega evolutions, but a bit better since they transform upon being sent out instead of needing to select a move

[molten chasm]

Oh wait huh, so the primal stuffs are real?

[opal gull]

no, primal groudon and kyogre

@molten chasm

[molten chasm]

Oh. lol

[white jungle]

Okay but what I will say about the leaked types is ||THIS IS WHAT I'VE FUCKING WANTED FOR AGES. THE SUB-TYPES COUNTER THEIR PRIMARY-TYPE'S COUNTER. This is literally what I've wanted for fucking ages, the closest we got was gen 4. It's not perfect, because ghost is immune to fighting, so that's not quite a type triangle, but it works well enough. Guess I just have to hope Quaxly ends up with a higher speed stat than Sprigatito, but I don't think it's likely.||

[smoky bison]

What are the types

[late tendon]

My pinned message has all the current Riddler's leaks

The starters types is the first spoiler line

[smoky bison]

||Dunsparce|| my child

[late tendon]

spoilers

[smoky bison]

This is the scarlet/violet channel, aren't we expected to talk about this stuff?

[late tendon]

We expected to talk about official stuff

[smoky bison]

fair

[late tendon]

Some people prefer to not know about unofficial spoilers, yea

I can't wait for youtube previews to spoil me all the new mons when the game comes out

[snow glade]

Well atleast i guessed the subtypes before i saw the leak

cool

[vast marsh]

smolivs evo might beat lilligant as my favorite pokemon ever if its good but

||i remember seeing khu liking someones comment on his riddle where they saId the pokemon hinted might be a coin pokemon, and that sounds sick af||

Another tweet by khu

it was 16mins ago but apparently he said that one of his riddles is something we've already seen in the second trailer somehow

||okay to me its pretty obvious its the gym like look at the grass gym it's got red and green on it like its fire and grass. no pokemon game has had a gym that had two typings so theres gotta be some gimmick with it, which could lead into either triple typing or switch typing||

[snow glade]

||Or it can be a dual type gym tate and lisa style with one grass side and one fire side but i’d dont think there’d be a double battle at the end since its the first gym||

[vast marsh]

||hmm well you never know if its gonna be the first gym or not, and to be honest with you everything looks grassy, theres like no references to fire except color so i doubt it'd be dual||

[snow glade]

||imagine the gimmick is that you gotta escape the gym after she sets the gym on fire after she loses out of sheer sore loserness and then you gotta battle her again with a fire team to escape||

[vast marsh]

||that would be a pretty sick idea but wouldn't really work sadly in a story standpoint, though i could see the gym setting on fire with no repercussions when she switches to fire pokemon or smth||

[smoky bison]

new gimmick revealed: || You fight the trainer while your Pokemon give you orders||

[late tendon]

That's gen 5 thing

[molten chasm]

So it's Digimon Data Squad. lol

[vast marsh]

legends arceus basically

[patent rivet]

So it's the Peta game

[spare roost]

it could be the thing like in SwSh where in one game its a ghost gym and the other a fighting gym

[snow glade]

pokemon disobeying you now have a chance of hitting you with the move you told them to use

[flint sequoia]

pokemon can now permanently leave the party if you don't have enough gym badges

[forest egret]

Pokemon are now impossible to catch because "They don't want to"

[white jungle]

Pokémon now sleep with your mother if you piss them off it's a real Ash Ketchum situation

[smoky bison]

Was about to say Pokemon rights activists are now a thing but that was gen 5 already

[white jungle]

I do find it funny that PETA decided to make a parody game about the generation where there is a group that wants to save Pokémon from people, but they're secretly horribly abusive and steal and hit Pokémon

The only thing more ironic would be if they stole some little girl's lilipup and put it down

[smoky bison]

Man, I cannot believe Peta still has supporters

[patent rivet]

Lots of people who don’t actually know anything they do and only go off their statement that they help animals

[meager oasis]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/955133596354617394/986118576542994512/espoon.gif

🟢

[halcyon notch]

sponsored by green gang.

[patent rivet]

That’s a giant Espeon

[little whale]

Alpha Espeon

[opal gull]

or a smol gatito

https://twitter.com/u804k/status/1498053873436889088 leaked sprigatito evo

ドド@意識他界系 (@U804k)

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[snow glade]

Regional garbodor??? Wow

[ruby light]

lmao

[white jungle]

Pokémon Violet players

[sterile garnet]

yes, but i wanna get scarlet

[white jungle]

Scarlet Superior

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/cap-doctor-meme-gif-23263243

[white jungle]

Violet players going to dinner:

[thin wolf]

scarlet players when their legend gets one shot by a fairy move (it has a quad weakness to fairy) (they are british) (they do not care for their dental health)

[white jungle]

Violet players when they look like they're riding on a cock and balls (a large amount of Redditor's will choose it for the Elon Musk Chad but don't want to look like they're gay)

ofc /j for all of this, this is the first time in a while that both games actually seem pretty equally cool

[inner swan]

Scarlet and Violet players waiting for the mythical well knowing it's just gonna be an elemental animal

[thin wolf]

scarlet players when the hot woman does not wan't to mary them (they are 5'9" she is 6'11")

[white jungle]

I hate to invoke The Cool Mythical but tbh they could have expanded on the Genesect stuff if they wanted to and produced a bunch of really cool mythical Pokémon

Because what do people do when one group makes better tech than them? They compete

[inner swan]

Yeah but lately the mythicals have kinda been stinkers

[thin wolf]

They do the mythicals dirty every time

[white jungle]

You're telling me Lysandre wouldn't try and one-up the Genesect project? That Plasma wouldn't go back to it?

Hell what's Silph Co doing nowadays?

[thin wolf]

making 'unique' master balls for the 285487th time

[inner swan]

I wanted cool new mythicals and they instead gave me a grass monkey and a metal blob that you can't even get without doing some crazy shit

And don't even get me started with Magearna

[thin wolf]

I like melmetal and Magearna

[white jungle]

I'm just saying the idea of upgrading ancient Pokémon could have been a whole line of mythicals. At the very least they could have gone through all the like Standard Extinct Creatures

Gen 5: Genesect
Gen 6: ancient upgraded mammal

And so on

[inner swan]

i love Magearna, it's one of my favorite Mythicals, but the way you get some of them is bs

Like at least with the other Mythicals it was cool to get them but now it's just kinda weird

[thin wolf]

true, now it's codes and such

[white jungle]

I love gen 5 but tbh as much as I like the mythicals, even back then their events were ass

[thin wolf]

they started this trend in gen 5 and never looked back. And the world is worse because of it

[white jungle]

Mythical/legendary events have always been dogshit

[inner swan]

But at least they poured effort into them instead of just.. giving codes

[thin wolf]

yeah but there was something

[white jungle]

I mean at least they got Victini right by making it base game in B2W2

[inner swan]

And then there's PokeBall Magearna.

Jesus fuck

[white jungle]

But YOU'RE TELLING ME THEY COULDN'T WRING POST GAME CONTENT OUT OF GENESECT, KELDEO, MELOETTA?

Most people don't even remember Meloetta

And for good reason

And XY was inexcusable, did they have a single mythical that could be gotten in game?

[inner swan]

I remember when PokeBall Magearna had you collect every single pokemon (including Mythicals, where some are unob), I'm so glad they changed it

[thin wolf]

there was,uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. Zygarde, no wait nvm legendary. UHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

[white jungle]

I think what's worse is how many games like... Allude to legendaries or mythicals, whether that be for the hell of it or because that's how you get their Special Item

[thin wolf]

Did that gen even have a mythic?

HOOOPA

[white jungle]

Magearna and Diancie I believe

And Volcanion???

[inner swan]

I think like all of the Mythicals we're mystery gifts sksks

[molten chasm]

Couldn't you get the main mons?

Main legendary mons, that is.

[thin wolf]

wasn't magearna gen 7?

[white jungle]

Could have sworn it was the back end of gen 6

[inner swan]

Yeah it's gen 7

[white jungle]

It's vibe doesn't fit Hawaii

Oh shit was it one of those "we have Gen 7 now, but the XY anime is popular and still going" Pokémon?

[inner swan]

I think you're thinking that because magearna was a main premise in the volcanion movie

[thin wolf]

I think it was supposed to be for the gen 6 sequel but got moved to 7 because they scraped that entire thing

[inner swan]

And volcanion is gen 6

[white jungle]

I would have loved a gen 6 sequel tbh

Kalos has a lot of potential

It felt so unfinished, even when I was little

[inner swan]

oras

[white jungle]

Zygrade being the prime example obv

[thin wolf]

Xy came out 9 years ago

[white jungle]

They need to stop baiting shit though is what I was talking about. Like the big crystal structure in gen 6. You'd think surely you'd be able to get Diancie somehow in relation to that

But nah

It's like...

[thin wolf]

the closed powerplant door

[white jungle]

If an old man tells you about Boobleshit the mythical Pokémon

That event should lead you to Boobleshit

[inner swan]

I think the funny part is I honest to god cannot think of a single mythical that doesn't fit an area in any of their respective pokemon games

[white jungle]

Not Boobleshit's exclusive item which turns it into Boobleshit Prime

[inner swan]

like you can't tell me Shay wouldn't be in the white forest
Or diance wasn't in the crystal cave area

[white jungle]

Maybe gen 8? With uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Uhhhhhhhhh

I wanna say

Zonkey

Evil Grookey

[thin wolf]

wich broke the metagame for 12 months because it gained wonder guard, haxorus and other mold breaker user became super viable

[inner swan]

Well Zarude can fit in like any forest

It could be in the mist forest hell

[white jungle]

ZARUDE

That was it

[white jungle]

Yeah but they were sort of small areas, ideally it would have a larger area more akin to the movie

Totally get your point though, you're right

[inner swan]

Dude the leaks for SV is scaring me because it seems like it's gonna fucking annihilate competitive play

[thin wolf]

in S&v they have the perfect oppertunity to readd events with mythicals

[inner swan]

But they won't

[white jungle]

Tbh I'm not a competitive player so I don't really care. I've always been more rule of cool.

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/spider-man-spider-man-web-of-shadows-depressed-sad-gif-16524395

[white jungle]

In my eyes, the comp scene is already broken, and at least breaking it more will shake things up?

It's like a devastating housefire

There's no harm in throwing some fireworks on the pile

[thin wolf]

They should make legends broken,all of them in AG. Because when everyone is super.........no one is

[inner swan]

Here's piss fart Windiklo the wind spider that sits on top of a rock with jordans you can get him by watching the movie Windiklo and the Underwater House exclusive to Japan and redeeming the code you get in mystery gift

[white jungle]

Honestly my toxic trait is that I agree

At least then you'd have a badass Gods tier

[thin wolf]

arceus gets protean when holding legend plate

[white jungle]

Instead of a bunch of legendaries not being playable anywhere because they're too op but not op enough for AG

[inner swan]

Zekrom gets speed boost

[white jungle]

Genesect once again comes to mind

[thin wolf]

tenchno blast gets stab and also has plus1 priority

[white jungle]

Techno Blast has priority????

Since when????

[thin wolf]

no but it should because it would be funny

[inner swan]

Groudon gets Levitate and Water Absorb

Also his typing is now ground/fire/ghost

[white jungle]

I probably would give Techno Blast STAB to be fair, it's weird that it doesn't get STAB with its signature

[thin wolf]

also make octozooka do 150 bp just cause

no drawbacks

[white jungle]

AG: all legendaries

And octillery

Okay but they could actually frame a legendary only tier in-game in a really cool way if they made all legendaries op

Can you imagine some sort of like fractured dimension where you test god-like titans against one another?

[inner swan]

Rayquaza gets Beast Boost and his typing is now ghost/dark with it's stats so high it gains complete immunity to fairy type

[thin wolf]

oh yeah makes sense.... sableye..........wait sableye

[white jungle]

Instead of just WELCOME TO CYBER ARENA, ALL YOUR BATTLES HAPPEN HERE

[white jungle]

Th fact that sableye is there but not Smeargle is the best part

[inner swan]

Still waiting for FEAR Rattata to be a Mythical

https://tenor.com/view/rat-rattata-pokemon-go-funny-gif-5828153

[thin wolf]

pokemon with one HP sturdy and endeavor

[white jungle]

Joey's Right Hand

[snow glade]

Double-slap

[inner swan]

Shedinja now has Sturdy instead of Wonder Guard

[thin wolf]

that's because the only move the site counts are natuarlly learned moves. So smeargle only shows up when you search sketch

[inner swan]

[thin wolf]

what is that

[white jungle]

Apparently the Sableye thing was from an event, which answers no questions

[inner swan]

Meat Work

*Worm

[white jungle]

Ur ma

[inner swan]

https://tenor.com/view/vinesauce-meat-earthworm-msn-earthworm-msn-gif-21409484

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-bateman-american-psycho-its-hip-to-be-square-explaining-american-psycho-guy-explaining-gif-24814453

[white jungle]

Me when I find the meat worm

[inner swan]

I want Smoliv to turn into a waifumon

If it does

It will replace Lilligant if it's good enough

[white jungle]

Fun fact, I had to edit that image because Discord labeled it as explicit

I don't know if it thought Dwight eating mincemeat was gore or genitalia

Frankly I'm more worried about the latter

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/the-rock-gif-23501265

[inner swan]

lmao

[inner swan]

I'm just saying bro

[white jungle]

I don't

Don't get me wrong, I've accepted waifumon as nature

But it's literally called SMOLive

Reddit will have a field day

[inner swan]

Because it's supposed to be a seed?

[white jungle]

Doesn't change the fact people will do weird loli shit with it

It's the next Kirlia

[inner swan]

People are intimate about Tsareena not Bounsweet

[inner swan]

OH WAIT DID YOU THINK-
No i meant i hope Smoliv evolves into a waifumon

Like how petilil -> lilligant or budew -> roserade

[white jungle]

No I wasn't misunderstanding, I'm just saying the idea of the line being small and cute worries me in regards to its waifumon status

[thin wolf]

The pkm company giving an olive the biggest booba's in the industry

[inner swan]

Aah yeah i suppose that makes sense

[white jungle]

Because if that's a persistent theme throughout it'll end badly

If it's just a first stage thing it could be better

But until we know... I fear.

[inner swan]

Kinda weird cause like, there's really not a lot of good waifumon that dont evolve from funny small mon

Except for like-
Audino

Or Meloetta I guess

[white jungle]

Audino Supremacy

[inner swan]

Audino Supremacy

Best pokemon

[thin wolf]

only gen 5 mega

[inner swan]

[white jungle]

Druddigon was so hard done by

[limpid depot]

Since when is audino a waifu mon what

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-slam-gif-24277663

[inner swan]

She's my waifu

[thin wolf]

(i am dead inside)

[inner swan]

Also yeah she's a waifumon

[white jungle]

You know I actually had an idea earlier speaking of Druddigon. I think it should have gotten Simple. Alongside dragon dance and bulk up.

[limpid depot]

Really?
Chansey 2? A waifumon?
Never heard of that

[inner swan]

Isn't Druddigon that forgetful shitty dragon pokemon with the rugged scales

[thin wolf]

ok
smogon: * bans simple *

[white jungle]

No, it wouldn't be great still. But Simple fits it's theme as a Very Basic Dragon design, and a X2 speed with dragon dance would slightly make up for its crappy speed.

[thin wolf]

Hey, he's my forgetful shitty dragon pokemon with the rugged scales

[limpid depot]

I think he's pretty neat

[inner swan]

It's shiny is a carrot 😭

[limpid depot]

It's unique at least

[white jungle]

Support Druddigon, all my homies love Druddigon.

[inner swan]

He beat my ass one time so i never liked him since

[white jungle]

It just suffers from a persistent theme of gen 5 with high attack, average defenses and bad speed

[white jungle]

If you lose to a Druddigon you've fucked up and it's your own fault I'm sorry

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/skillissue-skill-issue-gif-22125481

[limpid depot]

I like that he's based on those english flags
And then he was cut from the england region :]

[inner swan]

I tried using a fire type starter for the first time and experienced what pain feels like

[white jungle]

Though I did get a good battle with a monotype Dragon team based on Drayden's team where the guy said "you know Druddigon is bad right?" And I proceeded to set up stealth rock then one-shot his Pokémon with a z move from it.

[inner swan]

It had fucking Sheer Force Earthquake

[white jungle]

Swept him from there, Haxorus

[thin wolf]

Fuck the fire starters, all my homies hate the fire starters

[white jungle]

Good shit

[inner swan]

Exactly bro

First time i used fire starter last time i used fire starter

[thin wolf]

not a single one that isn't mid at the best(exept cyndaquil he is my child)

[inner swan]

Switched back to only using grass starters

[white jungle]

I love Emboar but once again, bad speed, high attack, average defenses. I don't know what game Freak was thinking with that stat design.

Beeheeyem is basically the special attack version of that

[inner swan]

fuck people who say Emboar isn't cool his design is sick af

[white jungle]

And Reuniclus

[inner swan]

i still have those adorable pokemon cards with tepig growing up

[white jungle]

But they get trick room

[inner swan]

Dude so many bw pokemon are weird stat wise

[thin wolf]

🧐 not to be a gen wunner but like the other two are wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy better

[limpid depot]

I like a lot of the fire starters but I do admit I have bad taste in mons' lol

[white jungle]

Emboar has the worst middle stage but Emboar itself is pretty badass

It also has the best shiny of the gen 5 starters

But why the hell did they make a Pokémon based around Reckless slow?

[thin wolf]

maybe i'm still salty that my brother named his emboar after me

[inner swan]

I fucking hate oshawakdiur TN or whatever the fuck that samurais name is and nobody can change my mind i will drop kick his ass until his bones are grinded to dust

[limpid depot]

What about chespin tho lol

[thin wolf]

"I fucking hate oshawakdiur TN or whatever the fuck that samurais name is and nobody can change my mind i will drop kick his ass until his bones are grinded to dust"🤓
rekt

[white jungle]

Samurott is too good for you, you got your ass kicked by a Druddigon

[inner swan]

IT HAD SHEER FORCE EQ

[white jungle]

Quiladin and Pignite are the same creature

[thin wolf]

flying type

[white jungle]

EARTHQUAKE DOESN'T BENEFIT FROM SHEER FORCE

[limpid depot]

Round fucks

[inner swan]

WHAT HOW IT DOUBLES WITH DIG

[white jungle]

EARTHQUAKE HAS NO SECONDARY EFFECT

[inner swan]

I didn't have any flying types because I didn't like any of them and at that time i never knew of tynamo

[thin wolf]

only secondary effect like flinch, burn, and stat drops

[inner swan]

CAL CAP CAP

[thin wolf]

only secondary effect like flinch, burn, and stat drops

[white jungle]

IT DOESN'T EFFECT IT

[inner swan]

THAT SHULD BE A SECODNARY

[thin wolf]

NOT A SECONDARY EFFECT THAT SHEER FORCE MULTIPLIES

[inner swan]

That's terrible

[white jungle]

YOU GOT YOUR ASS KICKED BY A BASE DRUDDIGON ACCEPT IT

It's simply built different

Built slow

[thin wolf]

LIFE ORB RECOIL GETS IGNORED HOW IS THAT TERRIBLE

[inner swan]

it was funny because the first time i fought it

When I used grass starter

I kicked it's ass

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/seethe-mega-man-mega-man-zero-mega-man-zero3-omega-gif-21277710

[white jungle]

Earth power is 110+ power with sheer force with no life orb penalty

No matter what shape Landorus is it's a fucking menace

[thin wolf]

gamefreak but sheer force on sceptile please I beg you

it would make him so much better

[inner swan]

now you see

It's not that he's bad

It's that i don't like them

[white jungle]

Also give Feraligatr more to benefit from sheer force maybe?

[inner swan]

Real chads make parties of pokemon they think look cool

[white jungle]

You're wrong, Samurott is bad, it's stats are easily the worst of the three

What you fail to account for is that it also has the coolest design

[inner swan]

now that is what we call an opinion

We have different tastes

[white jungle]

A correct opinion

Like so many other Pokémon it simply suffers from bad animations

[inner swan]

There's no correct opinion in a starter debate tbh

[thin wolf]

strong Pokémon. Weak Pokémon. That is only the selfish perception of people. Truly skilled Trainers should try to win with the Pokémon they love best.

[white jungle]

Samurott's animations should have it standing up when unleashing devastating attacks, like it's expending it's effort in a big burst and going on all fours when resting

But instead it just occasionally swings one arm

[thin wolf]

it has crunch and liquadation wich are pretty good

ice punch

[white jungle]

My hot take is give Golurk Speed Boost

It's a fucking rocket

Let it charge up and rocket forward

[limpid depot]

Or parties of pokemon they find hot

[white jungle]

Klinklang 🥴

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/gigachad-chad-gif-20773266

[limpid depot]

Poor golurk
What the hell went wrong

[thin wolf]

nothing he is the best

[inner swan]

or no guard

[white jungle]

Can you say it with me kids??

Strong attack!!
Average defenses!!
Bad Speed!!

The Unovan trifecta

[thin wolf]

rock polish

[white jungle]

Honestly even then, Golurk's attack stat is nothing spectacular

[thin wolf]

no guard tho

[inner swan]

You don't need any of that if you just baton pass speed into golem and somehow hit all okho

[white jungle]

As far as Pokémon based around hitting really hard go it isn't great

[white jungle]

Baton pass makes everyone viable

[thin wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/minor-spelling-mistake-gif-21179057

[limpid depot]

Yeah like in this case it's specially bad
I tried once and it felt unusable

[white jungle]

I got a little use out of it in ou? Ice punch is surprisingly potent with iron fist, but most of the faints it got were dark types surprised by the berry to resist them

[inner swan]

It's only good with iron fist tbh

it's good for stealth rock i guess

[limpid depot]

And like, I say that as someone who loves using a team where 5/6 mons have bad speed and great attack lol

[white jungle]

It's another Pokémon that could have been made good with a mega, but personally I think it's cool enough and the anime gives it enough like... Mightiness

[inner swan]

Lmao I'm only competitive in little cup

[white jungle]

I think it should have gotten an alternate form ability

After doing something, or losing a certain amount of health, it's seal should break

And it should get a boost to stats

[limpid depot]

I'm a machamp conckeldurr monofighting connoisseur
Everything is better with assault vest

[inner swan]

Weak Armor with extra steps

[white jungle]

If said boost is particularly good, maybe the overflowing power also makes it lose health over time, but that's not a necessary addition if it's a basic stat boost

From there, if it was given a bit more padding

It could even make a good weakness policy mon

[limpid depot]

There are a million ways to make it better that make sense
They just gotta pick one lol

[white jungle]

This has been said here before too but Gigalith

Special attacker, should have been

They could even have introduced a move like hurricane, thunder, blizzard which is guaranteed to hit in sandstorm

[limpid depot]

Sadly they seem to be mostly uninterested in balancing more than changing 10 or so points from a single stat

[white jungle]

A rock type move btw, not a ground one

Ground and steel don't need any more benefit from sandstorm

[thin wolf]

would have made him OU in gen 5 cause of how weather based gen 5 was

[white jungle]

Maybe. A good special attacking rock type would have been especially rare too.

[limpid depot]

That or completely replacing them with a regional form that's just better in every way and makes me feel bad for the og forms which will now never be good ever

[white jungle]

God I miss Darmanitan 🥹

Nowadays you can barely Google Darmanitan without getting it's Galarian form

And I love G Darmanitan, I do

But Darmanitan was one of my two main Mons in my first ever run

Alongside Stoutland

[limpid depot]

I honestly don't mind that one but
Literally nobody will ever think about og zigzagoon again once the gen 3 nostalgia people die out

[white jungle]

Oh definitely

Plain Darmanitan isn't awful

Just overshadowed

I don't think many sheer force Mons are awful

Aside from...

The Boy.

[limpid depot]

I dunno who ya mean

[white jungle]

Druddigon, it's Druddigon

[limpid depot]

Ah lol

Should've figured

[white jungle]

You're right though

Honestly I wouldn't mind seeing a Johtian variant of Obstagoon, or rather a different evolution which may be similar

Even if another stage on top of belly drum/extreme speed could range into scary territory

[limpid depot]

Yeah tbh
I just don't like feeling like stuff's been fully replaced

[white jungle]

I get that

I feel that way about a lot of games

Minecraft is a good example, I hate it when they remove shit for no good reason, but nerfs in games in general tend to annoy me sometimes

I'm of the opinion that if you can, stuff should always be upgraded/buffed to account for the current standard instead of being replaced or cut

[limpid depot]

Like I don't even have any nostalgia for zigzagoon, I started in gen 6, but the fact there's just an objectively better version of the line makes me feel bad

It's kinda why I preferred the gen 7 regionals

Even when technically better they felt more like alternatives than replacements that are actually up to standard

[inner swan]

Gen 5 will still be my favorite game tho

specifically BW2

If i had to pick my top 3 favorite games it's prob be

1. Black and White 2
2. Poke Park 2
3. Explorers of Time

[limpid depot]

My contrarian instinct makes me like gen 5 less now
Now that the gen 4 remakes passed, it's the nostalgia gen that everyone thinks is the best

It's always like this

You can literally measure how popular a gen is by how recent it is and how close and before/after their remakes they are

As the remakes approach, more and more people come out saying that those games were the best ever
Then a bit after the remakes, a billion videos about how that one was actually not that great come out and the next remake's gen is up as the glorified one again until the cycle continues

Meanwhile, the most recent one is the functionally most popular for obvious reasons

And gen 1 will always be the most popular outside the fandom until everyone born in the 80s and 90s are in their death beds

[lament glen]

Don't really agree

Most people didnt like gen 5 at first but turned around on it quite a while ago. Not just after the gen 4 remakes

And also, I don't think this huge praise for a gen will ever return for games from gen 6 onward.

gen 5 is just well designed, polished and charming and lively with its sprites. Not something you can say of any of the gens following it

[lapis linden]

The games gen 6+ will become praised when the kids who grew up with them are older and more prominent

[lament glen]

sure, I get that

But I don't think the love for gen 6 will ever be as high as it is for gen 4 or 5

[limpid depot]

I grew up with gen 6 but I'm contrarian pilled so I think it's the worst

[lapis linden]

Can’t say for sure but they will gain traction at the very least

[limpid depot]

Nah lol there are already videos that think gen 6 is actually better than people thought, and those will explode after gen 5 remakes, just watch

[lament glen]

Gen 6 has already aged way worse than gen 5, which is an imortant difference that the 3d games have imo

[smoky bison]

I like Sw/Sh a lot even though it has so many flaws. I think despite of all its flaws its the best mainline game

[lament glen]

shut

[limpid depot]

SwSh is good
My rule of thumb with pokemon is that the odd numbers are better

1,3,5,7 > 2,4,6,8

[lapis linden]

SwSh wasn’t perfect but it was still good i agree

[lament glen]

Oh god people are actually defending/liking gen 8 already

[lapis linden]

I have sat by Gen 8 since its release lol

[limpid depot]

People defended/liked gen 8 since it launched cuz it's the latest one lol

[lapis linden]

The games were fun the mons had cool designs and inspirations just wasn’t perfect 😂

[lament glen]

I havent seen any of them yet but they'll be a fun watch once I run across one of them xD

[inner swan]

I love how everyone hated gen 5

Then people thought it was alright

And now everyone loves it

Like bro be a true og like me and like it day 1

[limpid depot]

Lemme guess, you were a kid when it came out lol

[smoky bison]

I have never had so much fun with a pkmn game before. Especially because competitive was so easy to get into

also PvE was fun as well with other players

[inner swan]

Yesn't? I'm 17 so I'm still technically a kid, but i got into pokemon when I was like 14

[lament glen]

I just cant defend a game where there is barely a story and the little bit of story that actually exists is just told and not even shown (dynamax attacks on that one city)

Not to mention the lack of animations and the terrible "postgame" as well as the wild area that really just wasnt goof at all imo

[inner swan]

My first game was black and white, and then i played emerald and then poke Park and then eventually black and white I'm not too sure at this point

all i know is I've always loved black and white 2

[limpid depot]

Generally any age younger than 17 works as long as it was your first game heh

[smoky bison]

story is shit but gameplay was the best in the series

[lament glen]

no, gen 5 is waaaay smoother and better too look at

[lapis linden]

I feel like the story could have been better but there’s very few Pokémon games that shine in story i mean what was team rockets actual goal in Red and blue lmao

[inner swan]

I loved the animation in gen 5 and the artstyle was the best imo

[lament glen]

gen 7 has a good story. it just lacks a skip cutscene button

[limpid depot]

Here we see the common argument between newest bias and nostalgia bias, watch as nobody gets anywhere 🙂

[lapis linden]

Gen 5 and 7 I would say are some of the best stories lol

[lament glen]

gonna get back go work now anyway

[lapis linden]

Lol

[inner swan]

i mean i say it's my favorite it's not like there ain't no issues with bw

[limpid depot]

I know lol, but it's still what's happening

[lapis linden]

Anyway i grew up on Gen 4 it was my first game in fact I still have the cartage i just don’t get why there so many who hate the new games lol Minus BDSP feel free to hate that one

[inner swan]

Yeah i mean

My first games was like gen 5 then gen 3 then gen 4

Yet my second favorite generation was still usum

i didn't like gen 3 at all and gen 4 was fine

I just really liked bw and sun and moon, hell i didn't really like XY until i replayed it last year

[smoky bison]

gen 3 has that weird rainy are which always makes me kinda apathetic to the game

[lapis linden]

Lol

[limpid depot]

I don't really have many opinions on anything

It feels kinda pointless when I know I'm probably wrong lol

[lapis linden]

But your opinion isn’t wrong

Its just your opinion

Lol

It takes a lot for opinions to be “wrong”

[inner swan]

There 👏 are 👏 no 👏 such 👏 thing 👏 as 👏 wrong 👏 opinions 👏

[limpid depot]

Nah
Every opinion is wrong if you try hard enough

[inner swan]

that's just a pessimist mindset

There's a reason why it's called an opinion, because none of it is completely factual
Everyone has their own opinion and none of it is right

Charizard is the coolest pokemon is an opinion, Charizard is a fire type is a fact

[limpid depot]

Eh}

But what's the fun in that

[inner swan]

what's the fun in calling all your opinions wrong

[lapis linden]

The co-op play in scarlet and violet us a fun feature and i am stoked to use it lol

[inner swan]

Dude yess

I'm super stoked for it

[limpid depot]

Pffff I dunno where I'm going with this I feel like I'm actually having a breakdown since yesterday
My brain is trembling like a woodchipper

[lapis linden]

Relax it happens to the best of us lol

[inner swan]

SK just note that if not everyone i will respect your opinion

And yea

We all feel that way in the modern days tbh

With all the shit going on with opinions and facts

[lapis linden]

Very much so

[inner swan]

It seems like literally no one in most social medias like opinions

[limpid depot]

I kinda understand them

[lapis linden]

Naw opinions are the root of all evil 😂

[limpid depot]

There's this weird joy I get from being a nihilistic asshole even when I don't mean it

[inner swan]

i say this all the time

[limpid depot]

It's just that I tend to direct it at myself instead of other people

[inner swan]

But uh

Booger

WAIT

HOLD ON

WHY IS NOONE TALKING ABOUT HOW

now that there's co op for scarlet

We can get trade evolutions without going online

Also you could prob get every starter by just trading them away in co op lmao

[lapis linden]

Yeah though the trade cable from Legends will probably make a comeback as well

[inner swan]

Oooo yeah maybe

[lapis linden]

Perfect

[inner swan]

Dude

Shiny Hunters are having a wet dream rn

Shiny Hunting 4 times faster

[lapis linden]

Yas shiny hunting with friends

[inner swan]

Or by yourself

[limpid depot]

I've always wanted like
An item that simulates trading for trading evolutions
Sorta expensive but very useful kinda thing

[lapis linden]

I wonder what the shiny hunting method will be for this gen and will we understand it this time 😂

[lapis linden]

Honestly that could be epic

[inner swan]

it's prob gonna be Masuda again

Imagine using four controllers at once

And hatching 4 eggs at the same time

[lapis linden]

Sheesh

Well SwSh had the gleaming or whatever method that no one understood until waaaaaay later regional shiny hunting methods are cool

[forest egret]

Honestly I wonder if some psychopath out there's gonna play through this game with 4 consoles or whatever

[inner swan]

There's 100 gonna be playthroughs like that

[lapis linden]

Definitely

[patent rivet]

Can’t wait for the YouTube videos with some bearded guy holding up 4 Switches with the game on each of them and text saying “4 AT ONCE?!?!?!?!”

[forest egret]

(IMPOSSIBLE)

[patent rivet]

And the video is just them playing the game individually on four consoles and then trading after beating the game

[forest egret]

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[lapis linden]

XD

[patent rivet]

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[opal gull]

the sakurai method

[fierce shell]

There are gonna be some wild glitches

And this game will either have way to big areas made for multiplayer or not accommodate multiplayer at all

[flint sequoia]

Kind of like how SWSH had wild area multiplayer... That didn't do anything

[lapis linden]

I doubt the wild will do nothing probably won’t be perfect but I doubt it will be terrible

[late tendon]

New pieces of unofficially leaked info from Riddler Khu (I'll update the pinned message with these). Again, everything marked with * is fans speculation based on riddles but not confirmed by Khu directly:

||-* new objectmon can be based on coin and evolve into chest||
||- Khu was asked if megas will be back, he doesn't want to comment this yet and only said that there's a "new concept of that" that he'll hint in August or September||

[patent rivet]

Oh good, another new gimmick to be abandoned next game

[smoky bison]

I want the gimmicks to stick :(

[lament glen]

They'd need to have good gimmicks to do that

[sharp stag]

Z-Moves were the best gimmick and I want those to return but it’s much less likely

[lament glen]

Not really seen as a gimmick by most people, but Totem pokemon and 2v1 fights were by faaaaaar the best gimmick they've ever added

[sharp stag]

Those are only really gimmicks that work in the main game, which I do love but usually people mean battle gimmicks between two people

[lament glen]

Yeah, I know

But I think a gimmick can't solve the problem that the battles system has. At its core, we've been using the exact same battle system for over 20 years. Of course it will get stale. And no simple gimmick can solve that

Arceus went in the right direction, but they simplyfied stuff way too much. And the system there was so unballanced that pvp probably wouldnt work at all

[snow glade]

i know the next gimmick
digivolve

[sharp stag]

No that’s shitty mega evolution

Mega evolution is just worse dynamax btw

[snow glade]

well atleast those gimmicks arent completely terrible

if the enemy uses it it doesnt feel like complete bullshit when you lose

[sharp stag]

What are you talking about

[white jungle]

Dynamax is boring as fuck. They didn't even incorporate Gigantamax in a way which made it fun. It's just a glorified stat boost implemented in a worse way. At least with op Z moves like Z happy day, they were super predictable.

[sharp stag]

Agreed, but at least Dynamax didn’t exist to make only 3 Pokémon viable

[white jungle]

And at least Z Happy Day and stuff like that made Z moves interesting. Most of them were just Hit Them Really Hard One Time.

Nothing makes dynamax interesting, it just gives everyone a free get out of jail free card

Like a crappy game of chicken

[sharp stag]

But at least it’s not mega

[white jungle]

Megas are fun, and have potential that wasn't explored. The potential of Z moves and Dynamax was explored, and wasn't all that good.

As poorly executed as it was in some cases, megas are the best gimmick outside of regionals because it essentially added new Pokémon.

Had megas transcended the very small scale they were filtered through, they'd have been better. We got Hoenn remakes, so we got a lot of Hoenn megas. It made it feel like tunnel vision.

[limpid depot]

Mega evolution could be great if they didn't use it in a dumb way and actually picked pokemon that needed it
Dynamax is just dumb and there was no other way they could have done it better since it's inherently based in being universal and the special picks are basically just aesthetic

Also, tbh, megas had a better selection

At least it wasn't only gen 1 and 8 +garbodor cuz an important character had it

[icy forge]

I still prefer Dynamax, but obviously Megas had more importance as they still have presence in anime and games like Lets Go or Mystery Dungeon

[limpid depot]

I mean, yeah
A big reason I prefer megas is that they were seemingly made to last
Gen 6 really really wanted to make megas a staple but then they just didn't when the concept had a lot of potential to evolve (hehe)
Z-moves and specially dynamax very clearly had a due date of one generation so they feel more like discardable versions of what megas tried to be

[white jungle]

Z moves just lacked so much variety

I honestly wouldn't have minded them being more stat-boost based, which is almost my entire problem with dynamax

But with Z moves at least it would have been a single guaranteed Pokémon, not any that wants to

And Z moves based on stat boosting are good for the reason megas was a good concept. They could have attached stat boosts to not-great Pokémon to make them viable through using z moves

[patent rivet]

Pretty sure I heard the guy who took over for gen 7 hated megas so he did everything to get them removed

[limpid depot]

Tbh that does make sense even from a lore perspective

[patent rivet]

What does?

[limpid depot]

Gen 6 is all like "Megas are from the bond of a trainer and pokemon" and then gen 7 dex is all like "AND THEYRE CONSTANTLY IN PAIN"

[limpid depot]

Someone making gen 7 hating megas

[white jungle]

Fuck that guy

All my homies hate That Guy

[late tendon]

I like that some Pokemon love their trainers so much that they're ready to experience huge pain to become stronger for them

but I'm not a total fan of megas as a gimmick just cuz it's too selective

even if they give megas to 200 mons, there still will be my favs without one and they'll probably be automatically even less used and more forgetable

Z-Moves and Dynamax gives opportunity to weaker mons to shine but they also buff already strong mons so something of big variety but not as powerful for op mons would be perfect to have

it's like when some mons were actually capable to do stuff in early gen 8 VGC and it was fun but then they returned non-banned legendaries and added some more and these mons becabe useless compared to them again

[white jungle]

I understand the idea, really, but honestly my standpoint is no gimmick will ever be a clean fix for weak Pokémon. They simply need to be buffed.

Because the worst cases of weak Pokémon aren't that they're outclassed, the worst ones are just unusable

Do what you like with Ledian. At the end of the day it's Ledian

Golurk is just made not to function. It found some footing with Poltergeist but that didn't last long.

In fact the closest a gimmick has come to balancing stuff for weaker Pokémon in some cases would be if you counted Dex cuts as a gimmick, because some Pokémon do the job of a Pokémon that was slightly better but is no longer available.

[late tendon]

ah, I never meant to interupt your comvo (partly cuz I didn't read it lmao), I just expressed my opinion about megas

[late tendon]

that's kinda what they did once when they banned top 10 mons from each competitive format for one season, it was actually fun to watch for a change

I hope they'll do more stuff like that cuz it doesn't cut the dex but also allows you to use other mons

[white jungle]

You didn't interrupt anything, I think you're right enough. I just also believe that, as no gimmick is the solution, megas are still the best due to rule of cool

At the end of the day, z moves and Dynamax don't make many new designs or abilities

[late tendon]

eh, they're cool as a concept but I found Z-Moves and Dynamax way more fun to use

yea, that's the thing, there's always these design part and usability part

[white jungle]

I just don't enjoy dynamax at all. It feels too much like something where you slip up once and you screwed up, either because you set up perfectly then they dynamax and one shot

[late tendon]

megas look neat but not as fun to use as Zs and Max

I like Dynamax the most so far, not a popular opinion I know

[white jungle]

Or the opposit, they set up and any attempt at a shut down is impossible because they dynamax and are suddenly invulnerable and also get extra stat boosts

[late tendon]

I feel like it's the case for single battles for most of the time

and yea I actually enjoyed singles more in gen 7, but gen 8 is where I was really interested in doubles for a change

[white jungle]

Z-moves I don't hate but as I've said before, they just don't do enough with the concept. 90% just Hit A Thing Hard

[snow glade]

best mechanic: strategy

[late tendon]

Z-Snatch was funny

I used it for haha moment

on Heatmor I believe

[snow glade]

i remember using z-healblock one time and screwed over a baton pass chain

[late tendon]

[white jungle]

But like Z moves are just so much more predictable than dynamax, it feels like something you're actually playing against, not gambling against

[late tendon]

I feel the opposite actually

[white jungle]

And the challenge then becomes not being predictable with your team and who has the z move

[late tendon]

one thing is when you play against something that doesn't have much to do against you and you plan to win this battle but turns out that some Heatran has a slot for Solar Beam just to use it as a Z-Grass and you're screwed, and it's just the most obvious example and the same reason why I like Hidden Power being removed, it's like a stronger 1-time use version of it

and another thing is when you can actually predict what/when your opponent can dynamax and what/when you can dynamax to counter it/to use your opponent's mistake and take the lead

it's how it is for me personally at least

[snow glade]

z-moves were way better for strategy and gameplay than dynamax tbh

[white jungle]

Dynamax makes it harder than it needs to be to stop a game from snowballing.

[late tendon]

idk, I enjoyed Dynamax for strategies way more than Z-Moves

VGC doubles format was really fun for me this gen

[white jungle]

Outside of like, prankster, it just feels like you can't do much if you slip up

[late tendon]

eh, Dynamax is easier to counter in doubles

sometimes you can nulify it completely or just make it so weak that it won't change much

which is another thing I enjoyed - making sick plays to counter Dynamax and use it by yourself

it was mostly for fun on my side but watching actually competitive players do that was really fun too

[snow glade]

when you can beat dynamax in a fair way: I think this mechanic is fair and balanced
when you lose to dynamax: this mechanic is total bullshit whoever thought this was a good idea should have been fired we should ban dynamax since it's so bad

every single time

[late tendon]

anyways, I think that's not the place to talk about it so much, so I'll leave it here

[snow glade]

i hope they don't screw up the new mechanic more than dynamax

[smoky bison]

I more-so saw megas as an opportunity to make weak mons viable

But then garchomp got one

[snow glade]

https://tenor.com/view/rayquaza-pokémon-sprite-floating-gif-16257258

[smoky bison]

Ray got it because of story reasons, I wouldnt count it

[late tendon]

mewtwo got two megas

[snow glade]

rayquaza didnt really need it

[snow glade]

i'm shocked they didnt give pikachu a mega

[late tendon]

so they gave charizard two megas instead

[smoky bison]

story reasons because they needed to slap a mega on it since that was the whole gimmick of ORAS

[snow glade]

well if they're gonna give two other legendaries "mega but not actually a mega" why not give it to rayquaza and make the most busted mega

[smoky bison]

ask the numbskulls at gamefreak

[snow glade]

rayquaza was ||able to deal with BOTH PRIMALS in it's base form|| but that mega was super necessary

[native thistle]

I keep getting the idea planted in my head that smoliv will be the first of (possibly a couple) regional prevolutions. Specifically replacing budew.

I don't think it is true, but I've already seen some olive based Roselia arts, and they are so cool

[snow glade]

regional smeargle evolution to nod off to the great spanish artists

[lapis linden]

That’d be epic

[snow glade]

90 in all stats

totally not busted at all

dont worry about it

[lapis linden]

Totally not

[patent rivet]

I fail to see the issue

[meager oasis]

unpopular opinion but i dont like megas lo

but ive never played oras or xy so maybe thats why

[lapis linden]

XD

[flint sequoia]

Megas are interesting as they are essentially new pokemon, so its hard to say whether they are balanced or not as a whole. It's great how mons such as Manectric and Mawile get new chances of being great, but then theres the mega pseudo-legendaries with 700 BST running around in OU

Even mons like Mega-Kangaskhan becoming absolutely broken

[native thistle]

Lopunny and sableye we're also menaces, not only having strong points, but also multiple gimmicky movesets that did unprecedented work if you just plan for the normal versions.

[white jungle]

My go to is monotype Nat Dex so mega Lopunny still fucking terrifies me

You don't know true fear until you're a monotype dark team Vs a monotype normal team

Though tbf I'd deal with them well enough if I wasn't upholding the team inspo

[limpid depot]

I'm also a natdex monotyper tho I mostly use fighting type so I don't notice it that much lol

[flint sequoia]

Mega Lopunny wasn't designed to have Triple Axel, U-Turn and Close Combat. Same with Mega Blastoise and shell smash

[patent rivet]

GameFreak doesn’t know how to make a balanced Pokémon

[flint sequoia]

The only non-legendaries (and psuedos and mythicals) banned from OU are from gen5+

How does something like Dracovish slip through???

[meager oasis]

more op moves and abilities being made

because powercreep

[opal gull]

they really seemed to have some intentonal powercreep in gen 8 yeah, with stuff like that, super optimized stat distirbutions among stuff like starters and legendaries, the idiocy that is zacian

[snow glade]

it feels like gamefreak gets drunk when they attempt "balance"

this legendary that moved the earth? they're super strong? lets give it half strength and speed for 5 turns straight

this legendary roams the skies and is a boxart? lets give it a mega and ALSO not need it to hold an item for mega

this legendary is a dog? lets give it a move that COUNTERS THE MAIN GIMMICK MADE FOR THE GENERATION

[limpid depot]

Yeah the franchise's reached a point where to be impressive you might as well make something completely broken
Regieleki for example feels like it was made with the soul intent to be the objectively best at what it does, balance be damned.
It's just inevitable with stuff that introduces new content over time, I guess

[lapis linden]

Regieleki is pretty balanced yes it out speeds just about everything but it has a very limited movepool and all you need to do is live 1 hit to kill it lmao however Zacian was busted and powercreep is happening lol

[fierce shell]

Regieleki when ground type

https://tenor.com/view/magikarp-jumping-pokemon-out-of-water-cant-breathe-gif-9113494

Regidrago is broken tho

[lapis linden]

Regidrago feels like it should see more competitive play then it does lol

[fierce shell]

Fairy is really good so it isn't as much as a threat

Bug type should be super effective on fairy

[lapis linden]

Fairy could honestly use a little bit of a nerf, and bug being super effective i feel would be a nice way to do it

[limpid depot]

Yeah'

Also ice being effective against water could work well as a balance change

[lapis linden]

Water resisting ice made no sense to me lol shouldn’t ice freeze the water therefore be super effective

[limpid depot]

Yeah
Maybe if they both resisted each other I'd understand since they're technically the same thing
But no, it's only water resisting ice

Which feels like it makes the least sense possible

[lapis linden]

Idk man ice got the short end of the stick

Its a good offensive typing but so few mons can capitalize on it

[limpid depot]

I think they don't realize that
Since any mon can use moves of any type
Being great offensively doesn't make up for a total lack of defenses and really hurts the pokemon of the type itself
Like, every water type can use ice moves better than ice mon cuz just having stab in some strong moves isn't worth having no resistances most of the time

[lapis linden]

True

[limpid depot]

The whole only resisting itself thing feels like a dumb gimmick that shackles it
Like, would it really hurt to also resist any of the types it's offensively strong against? Not even a single one?

[lapis linden]

I agree ice could use a defensive buff

[forest egret]

It'd need to be a small one, otherwise the already good ice types would become too good

[fierce shell]

I feel like every pokemon should get a movepool rework

And a lot of them need stat reworks

[limpid depot]

Yeah it's kinda the dumb thing
The way ice is now, it's basically a hinderance to anything that's not as offensive or at least fast as possible
It could be worked around by having crazy stats or some gimmick, but a lot of the time they just do slow, defensive pokemon that plain don't work cuz of the typing
A few ice types are balanced around this hinderance and others just aren't
imo it should be changed to accommodate the more diverse set of mons it has

[forest egret]

Just go with minimum changes and some retooling. A couple ideas I have:
Make Ice resist normal and ground
Make it super effective to water, but make it neutral towards grass

[limpid depot]

I feel making it super effective against water and resist at least one or two of the types it's already strong against works better
No need for a nerf, just make it actually more viable where it's supposed to be, like how most types do it

[forest egret]

The problem with making it strong against water too is that water's the most common pokemon type, and Ice is already strong against over half the dex, it'd be a little too strong if you don't even it out

I'd say trading it for grass would be nice since grass has like tons of other weaknesses already

[limpid depot]

Hm, I guess I understand ya even if in the elemental "logic" side of it, it makes too much sense to change

Tho I really do think it should resist some of the stuff it's strong against

Being super effective but not resisting really holds the slower ice types back since it basically means the ones fast enough to strike first get way more value

[forest egret]

Not all of its types, but yeah it could work. Ground would be a nice resistence, and perhaps one other

I think a little bit of defensive footing would be nice while not changing its glass cannon identity too hard

[limpid depot]

Yeah

Steel gets to resist everything and still has a few attacking strengths I dunno why ice can't have a couple resists that actually matter

[forest egret]

To bring this back to the actual channel topic though, it'll be interesting to see what the competitive scene for this game looks like. New pokemon + dexit at the very least shifts that sorta thing. I'm sure they'll bring in some AG monster in this gen

Maybe it'll be like Zacian and Zamazenta again where one of the box legendaries is useless and one is op

[limpid depot]

I mean one is probably 4x weak to fairy so it can't be that good

[forest egret]

Yeah, unless red man has a good ability idk if he'll do as well as purple dude

[limpid depot]

Is the blue legendary always the broken one in the red-blue duos?
Xernias, Zacian, Kyogre

[forest egret]

Groudon was atleast broken too, they both were with their primal stuff

[limpid depot]

Yeah
Tho, I feel Ky was always the more defining one

[forest egret]

Kyogre was a little stronger yeah

[white jungle]

Fingers crossed that it's super fast because it's a bike

With poison jab

Or gunk shot

(lizards shoot nasty shit all the time it wouldn't be uncharacteristic)

I definitely think Koraidon with a wide moveset would make sense given that it's whole thing is like the past and nature

[fierce shell]

If Zamazenta just had body press it would be very good

But koraidon is gonna be better

Gonna have some wack 200 bp signature move

That is ground and dragon type

And gains priority in the motorcycle form

[smoky bison]

It's not that Zamazenta is bad

It's that Zacian is so broken, that no one even looks at Zamazenta

[flint sequoia]

The only good ice types are super fast and frail, it would certainly be a buff but it wouldn't make them broken

[fierce shell]

I mean Zamazenta gets usage

[uneven badger]

Normal poison

[flint sequoia]

What's the type of Fueco evo? Fire/Rock?

[white jungle]

That looks fire steel to me

Cool concepts

[patent rivet]

Real

I wonder why people never make design sheets like this for middle stages

[vestal aurora]

people only care for the bebes and the big boys

[white jungle]

I'm fucking biding my time for the day we get a starter who's middle Evo is better than its final Evo when given an eviolite

Because frankly that as a concept is the funniest shit

As soon as we get a purely tanky starter istg

[meager oasis]

are those real

[patent rivet]

Look in the bottom right corner

[meager oasis]

idk what that thing means in the bottom right

[patent rivet]

You don’t know what social media is?

And deviantart?

[meager oasis]

i do

i just dont know what you mean by how looking at that would explain it

[patent rivet]

It means it’s not real

[meager oasis]

Oh

[limpid depot]

They're all kinda dumb anyways lol
At most, they're just a step from one to the other

There's no point in them without the other 2

[patent rivet]

None of that answered my question

[meager oasis]

if those were real i would actually pick quaxly instead of sprigatito

the quaxly evo is super cool

[white jungle]

Honestly Sprigatito has the weakest design and that's evident through the memes

"hehe weed cat" EVERY GRASS TYPE IS WEED

EVERY POKEMON SMOKES WEED

UNOVA HAS THREE MONKEYS WHICH ARE JUST DIFFERENT BRANDS OF STONER

The leaks say it'll ||stand up|| and honestly thank god

[white jungle]

Because the fandom couldn't create a genuinely good quadrupedal Sprigatito Evo

Some people really tried, and I'm not saying they're awful

But they just feel so off

[patent rivet]

They just look like gen 1 Pokémon

[white jungle]

None of them are anything special

[patent rivet]

Green animals with leaves

[white jungle]

Especially the sabertooth ones

The Iberian Lynx ones I like a little better because I just think it's a better concept for the region

But even the ones of those on all fours are meh

Incineroar was a different case, Incineroar could have been made quadrupedal quite well

Sprigatito just doesn't work

[little whale]

Honestly I wouldn't care either way

But I do highly agree on Incineroar

[fierce shell]

Have you seen middle stages?

Almost always the worst part of the line, somewhat intentionally

https://tenor.com/view/drizzile-pokemon-gif-22478486

Nevermind, that's just been the last two gens

But this speculation has only really occurred for the last two gens

[late tendon]

I like Drizzile, Raboot and Torracat designs way more than their final evos

and I like other 3 as much as their evolutions

they have their exuberant teenagers charm

[fierce shell]

I like drizzile and raboot more

Incineroar is amazing tho

[limpid depot]

Cinderace and Inteleon make me mad cuz
They're so close to being good designs
But something they're just... off?
Tho Drizzile ain't much better

[fierce shell]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-jerb-q-gif-24304326

[late tendon]

I personally don't feel good or bad towards it, just neutral

[fierce shell]

Grooky kinda lame tho

He should have been a dorky theater kid

[late tendon]

grookey line is my fav starter in gen 8

[meager oasis]

Monke

[fierce shell]

Grooky is funny, Thea key is lame, rillaboom is fun

[limpid depot]

I feel I'd like Cinderace if it like
Had a different hair and better pose in the promo art
The little details kill it for me

[fierce shell]

But should have actual drum noises

How you gonna have a end credits band with no noise

That was the worst part about swsh, lack of voice acting

[late tendon]

the only two details I don't quite like in Cinderace is how it's too humanoid and how wacky it's hands are

[fierce shell]

Pokémon should copy the yokai watch engine

Much better series

[limpid depot]

Meanwhile Inteleon just has really weird proportions
Those arms and legs are way too twiggy and long, it looks like dangly toy thing

[late tendon]

I don't get how these proportions can look better than idk... anything else

[limpid depot]

Kinda sucks cuz the general concept was pretty good
A lot of fanart fixes my problems with it without the artists even realizing lol

[fierce shell]

Gotta get falic jokes made somehow

[late tendon]

ok it's not about scarlet/violet again no idea why it's so easy to get off topic in this channel

so I'll leave now

[limpid depot]

It's weird cuz
A lotta problems I end up having with some of em' is also that they don't translate to 3D well
You'd think by that point they'd be taking that more into account

[fierce shell]

Based on the other revealed Pokémon, I fear for these gen nine finals

They will either be the best or the worst

[late tendon]

I have no hopes so I won't be disappointed

ok no I lied
I hope I'll like Fuecoco cuz I want it

[fierce shell]

This is the first fire starter I like the most

[late tendon]

but it's generally hard for me to dislike Pokemon's design

[fierce shell]

Other than cyndaquil, but he's tied with totodile

[fierce shell]

I just really hate pawmi

https://tenor.com/view/pawmi-nemona-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-pokemon-gif-25836997

[late tendon]

I really like it and hope it evolves

[fierce shell]

It most likely will evolve

[late tendon]

I just find funny how it's a pikachu with charizard's colors

[fierce shell]

But as of now it's the worst pika clone

[limpid depot]

It feels like it should be like
Fire or fighting

[late tendon]

but I'll pick it even if I don't like it cuz I didn't pick a fire starter in years (besides playing with Fire/Psychic Incineroar in my randomizer nuclocke but it wasn't my starter)

I'll just keep the second stage if I really dislike the final design, but I probably won't

[flint sequoia]

I'm going to pick grass (most likely) for the first time in a while

[late tendon]

last games for me were Popplio in Moon, Rowlet in UltraSun (but it wasn't a part of my team), Grookey in Sword and Oshawott in Legends

my last fire starter was Fennekin and I didn't use it in my team either, and XY are my least fav Pokemon games

oh and in ORAS it was Mudkip

[flint sequoia]

Blaziken, Infernape, Rowlet x2

Never got XY lol

[limpid depot]

I wonder if we'll ever have a popplio again
Like
A starter that just does a sudden 180 turn when it comes to the themes of the evos

Nobody could possibly have seem primarina coming

[flint sequoia]

Incineroar?

[late tendon]

no, I lied
in Alpha Sapphire it was Treecko and it was a nuzlocke so it died pretty fast, and I picked it cuz I always picked Mudkip in gen 3 Hoenn games

[flint sequoia]

Litten doesn't have a wrestling theme

[limpid depot]

Incineroar at least was a possibility
Like, Litten had basically no theming, it was more of a blank slate till torracat

[flint sequoia]

Sobble also doesn't have a spy theme

[late tendon]

I was laughting so hard when Primarina was revealed cuz looots of people seemed to hate how Popplio turns into a siren, and I loved the final design

Sobble doesn't have a theme either, like Litten

[flint sequoia]

It's theme is sad

[late tendon]

it's not really a theme imo

[limpid depot]

Yeah lol

[late tendon]

it went from sad kid to a cool grown up cuz people are changing

from a clown boy to a really feminine opera singer on the other hand is pretty drastic

[limpid depot]

Yeah heh

[late tendon]

still love it although it's fun to think about how clown themed evo would look like

I'd love to see it in some kind of a Gardevoir and Gallade manner but without gender locks, and it won't ever happen cuz starters don't do that

[limpid depot]

I hope some day we have a gimmicky starter trio

[late tendon]

well, legends gave regional forms to starters for the first time

[limpid depot]

Oh yeah that's true

[late tendon]

I honestly thought they won't do that cuz they aren't native to Hisui and don't have much time to adapt and get a regional form

but they made it work so it's fine for me

[flint sequoia]

You think logic stops game freak from doing what they want?

[late tendon]

I mean, nothing can stop imagination

if you can explain it then why not

[limpid depot]

I wish it stopped them less often lol
At least according to the people that decided megas returning doesn't make sense

[late tendon]

eh, I won't mind them returning, I just like them less than other gimmicks they did

and ||Khu said that there's some kind of a "new concept" of megas in ScVi but he'll reveal the details later||

[limpid depot]

I dunno, I don't think it's comparable to the gimmicks?
Like, it didn't need to be a gimmick while the other 2 definitively did

[late tendon]

that's not what I meant but I agree with that

[flint sequoia]

Megas were good overall, essentially being new pokemon and nerfing knock off, but a lot were too good

Z moves are haha I'm getting a ko now

[late tendon]

I just mean that I like megas less than Z-Moves and Dynamax as a gimmick to use in battles

[snow glade]

everything was fine until the Z-Moves invaded

[late tendon]

so I'm curious to see what the new gimmick's about

[snow glade]

why have a dragon gem when you can boost your move to hit BOTH OPPONENTS AND GIVE OMNI BOOST

[flint sequoia]

It would be interesting to see the LA turn style in a main series game

[late tendon]

I'd like it to stay in future Legends-like games

[snow glade]

strong style z Twinkle tackle from mega zacian-crowned sounds fair

[late tendon]

main games are all right how they are, for me at least

[limpid depot]

LA combat just sounds broken in a pvp setting lol

[late tendon]

complicated enough to not implement more

LA combat suits regular gameplay more, not PvPs

and it simplified a looot of things to make it work

[snow glade]

strong and swift would be a cool addition if there was also normal style from regular mechanics

[limpid depot]

Tho I wish they kept the, like, not needing to enter a "battle room" thing that makes fights feel more organic
At least for less important battles

[late tendon]

belly drum + agile style spam would be busted

[late tendon]

that's how they seem to do that in ScVi judging by trailers if you mean how there's no battle box in battles against trainers in LA

[snow glade]

agile style with moves that have increased priority now gives more increased priority

[limpid depot]

I dunno, I don't think that's what I mean

[late tendon]

[snow glade]

cant wait for new sword and shield

[late tendon]

SwSh remake when

[snow glade]

pokemon sharpened sword

pokemon strong shield

[limpid depot]

Man
Just realized how hard it'll be to come up with remake names for some games

[late tendon]

pokemon swsh 2 with twice more black screens in cutscenes to hide the lack of animations

[snow glade]

lets go toxtricity lets go urshifu

[snow glade]

and they havent even fixed the trees

[late tendon]

just remove trees

[snow glade]

oxygen is bad, stop breathing

everyone who breathes in oxygen will die

[late tendon]

we just need a legendary that creates oxygen, that's all

[limpid depot]

I hate how it's considered funny to make fun of people who complained about trees when it was honestly very valid criticism and I still stand by that they look unfinished and bad

[late tendon]

pokemon O2 and pokemon CO2

[snow glade]

pokemon h20

[late tendon]

not h2o

just h20

I don't know chemistry but that soulds explosive

I'd play it

[limpid depot]

Ksksks

[flint sequoia]

Linoone...

[late tendon]

agile style extreme speed so the opponent never moves

[snow glade]

super strong style and super swift style

[late tendon]

ohko the whole team in one hit or never let your opponent to move

[snow glade]

why do pokemon even have turns

[late tendon]

yea just make a win button

[snow glade]

why should a regileki just wait around for a rock to get its hit in

why wouldn't it just stomp it out

[lapis linden]

XD

[snow glade]

Electrode, Speed-Deoxys, and Regeleki all waiting for a dumb stupid rat to take its turn because it had an item

silly "rules" stop me from obliterating trainers with hyperbeam from lvl 100 porygon-z because they got in my way and wanted to challenge me for 1 microsecond

[fierce shell]

Sobble and litten had themes but it was personality based

Noble beast turns into a heel fighter

And a wimpy kid becomes the cool spy

Each gen has a starter theme of sorts

[late tendon]

that's not quite what we were talking about tho

but ok

[flint sequoia]

Defensive pokemon all just die because the opponent gets to attack twice

[white jungle]

Guys we can't just call PLA LA

We cannot refer to Los Angeles combat

[twin trail]

LA Combat is just Mario Kart

[forest egret]

https://twitter.com/tontaro_/status/1539014909618319362

たろー (@tontaro_)

お遊び

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[meager oasis]

hehe laser

[uneven badger]

Meganium

It exists

Bayleef is better with eviolite

[forest egret]

I don't think that's true

It has higher defences but what good is that when it can't do anything else, Meganium atleast gets better moves and stuff

[flint sequoia]

Meganium is decent as a fusion because it provides good bulk. The problem is, like in the main games, it gets outclassed by so many things

[forest egret]

Lol, well I was only referring to it's function in the mainline games. A bayleef with eviolite is not gonna be any better than a Meganium

I imagine those johto dudes will show up in this gen now too, because of Hisuian Typhlosion and the fact they weren't in the last game

[fickle birch]

Riddler Leak: ||Apparently not all the Pokémon that were absent from SwSh will be in SV. 😭||

||Also, it seems like we're getting Charizard without Venusaur and Blastoise again, because we all loved that last time, didn't we? 😅||

[vestal aurora]

||we always love not having a full national dex||

[fickle birch]

||"Dexit means Dexit, and we intend to make a success of it." 😭||

[icy forge]

I would be very happy if we have a new “tradition” of put new trios of starter with regional form just like Husui did. Like a Regional Meganiun Regional Incineroar and Regional Swampert in Pokespain by example

[icy forge]

||Charizard is one of my favourite Pokemon, surely the second one, but this feel dirty||

[flint sequoia]

||If charizard gets a regional form then i'm going to lose it||

[fickle birch]

||The oversaturation of Charizard made it my least favourite Pokémon for a long time, but now Enamorus exists so it's my second least favourite. 😅||

[fickle birch]

I expect that this will be reserved for Legends games, because they're definitely going to be their own sub-series now. 🙂

[forest egret]

Getting a new batch of starter regionals for each of those will be cool

[vestal aurora]

totally

[icy forge]

I wish that, Johto need a Legends Game

[fickle birch]

I could imagine Unova getting something like Chespin, Torchic and Totodile, for example. 🙂

[vestal aurora]

i can imagine unova getting totodile for sure, torchic as well and turtwig tho

[icy forge]

I can imagine Johto getting Treecko, Chimchar and Squirtle/Froakie

Talking about Unovan Starters https://mobile.twitter.com/ReomaArt/status/1503367716945776641

ReomaArt (@ReomaArt)

Introducing Unovan Venusaur, one of the starters of Pokemon Legends Taorum! #Pokemon

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[sly nova]

||I'm not bothered by the new flavor of Charizard, so I'll be looking forward to the massive amount of salt when it becomes public knowledge||

[fickle birch]

||Who said there was a new form? 😮||

[vestal aurora]

||there'll probably be a gimmick charizard form||

[fickle birch]

||If there is I'll be a sad, sad little man. More so than usual. 😦||

[forest egret]

||Mega Z-Max Charizard incoming||

[fickle birch]

||Primal Hisuian Mega G-Max Charizardinite-Z incoming.||

[forest egret]

||Just got off the phone with Mr Gamefreak, get this: All 3 starters evolve into Pikachu and Charizard gets 6 new forms, and is the secret 3rd pokemon of the past/future trio. Personally I'm excited||

[molten chasm]

||It's going to be a motorbike, calling it.||

[snow glade]

||torterra second coming!!! No way!!!||

[white jungle]

||Torterra's doing what?||

[late tendon]

Yea he mentioned before that ||after ScVi there still will be mons that were never on Switch||

I mentioned this in the big message that Xillo pinned

[icy forge]

||Hope we have more Pokémon Games in Switch||

[lapis linden]

I don’t think the switch will be going anywhere anytime soon tbh

[late tendon]

This is the best console they made so far tho

[snow glade]

Will they switch it up again?

To the 4ds or wii u and me

[late tendon]

So I can't think how abandoning it can be a win situation for them

Only maybe improving like oled

[snow glade]

Or

They can make old games compatible with the switch

Instead of needing to sell your liver to get it for a few months

[late tendon]

That's what they do right now, just not with Pokemen

They did it on 3ds tho

[snow glade]

This is the switch tho

[lapis linden]

They have plans to bring more to the visual console and are always expanding the digital game library for the switch lol

[snow glade]

But do you really wanna pay hundreds per month for it

Its only at 75 rn but no way they wont increase it later

[lapis linden]

The visual console comes free with switch online which is only a few bucks every month lol

[snow glade]

It adds up

[lapis linden]

Yeah in Canada us around $4 its only $48 yearly i pay more for xbox live then i do switch online

[late tendon]

Centro Leaks said that Nintendo Direct's date is June 29th and this is 100% true

[fierce shell]

Hmmmm

People have been pretty good with direct predictions

But I low key hope Pokémon isn't in it

When are we getting Pokémon Presents if the direct includes it?