Plus being able to throw stuff made the game so much more interactive than sword and shield
#pokemon-winds-waves
white jungle
Felt like you were actually playing as your character instead of just pushing them around
fickle birch
Aesthetically, I'd say they're more comparable with New Pokémon Snap. 🙂
In terms of character design, I mean. 😄
quiet frost
In terms of character design, I mean. 😄
But it feels like they took the style and cranked it up a notch
forest egret
I think it was pretty clear that the stuff from PLA was gonna stay in PLA yeah, like it's cool that we'll probably get to transfer Hisuian pokemon over but yeah, it seems like it was already made in mind as its own thing
fickle birch
I think it was pretty clear that the stuff from PLA was gonna stay in PLA yeah, ...
We will, they showed Hisuian Zoroark in promotional material. 🙂
quiet frost
But it feels like they took the style and cranked it up a notch
Into a fusion of Pokémon swsh
forest egret
We will, they showed Hisuian Zoroark in promotional material. 🙂
Ye, I think I saw that on Serebii a while ago, so that's cool
The website description of the game seems somewhat promising, it seems that the game's not gonna be as linear as the usual pokemon game
fickle birch
Maybe not all of them, though. And the evolutions like Ursaluna could be up in the air. 😮
forest egret
"You can experience a new style of adventure, with a world that you’re free to explore at your leisure and not in an order dictated by the story"
fickle birch
But the logic seems to be that Legends was about reintroducing old species, which appeared to have happened come Scarlet and Violet. 🙂
forest egret
Ye, they'll probably include most of them since they're still new I imagine
fickle birch
You'd think that, but most Gen VIII Pokémon have only appeared in their original games thus far. 😦
forest egret
We'll probably see a bit of them in this game
white jungle
Clawitzer should get an evolution
Come to think of it, it would probably be my top pick for a mega from the gen 6 Pokémon. Especially if it had just turned into a massive cannon that dwarfed the body completely
Clarailgun
limpid depot
You'd think that, but most Gen VIII Pokémon have only appeared in their original...
And the one gen 8 one that appeared in the first trailer was freaking stonjourner
forest egret
Stonjourner seems like a pokemon that would be very much contained to just Galar, odd choice to include him of all the ones they could've picked
limpid depot
Also, bets placed, the olive will become a waifumon by the final evo
Perhaps not the main one this gen but I know how lil plant things tend to end up
sly nova
Three olives in the design, one of them is the head
forest egret
Well I mean, if wherever Blaq's getting his info from is true, apparently it's gonna be Lechonk as the waifu
I want it to be a lie
sly nova
Lethique
forest egret
sly nova
Gen 13: oops all waifumon
quartz elm
now would also be a good time for nintendo to port colosseum and gale of darkness to the switch
PLEASE
forest egret
I mentioned this before, but the thing Riddler Khu posted yesterday seems to suggest that the types we'll be getting are Grass/Dark, Fire/Ghost, and Water/Fighting for the starter evos
sly nova
Neat
limpid depot
PLEASE
lol no
Pokemon spin offs are never getting ports or any recognition
It's all about free to play mobile stuff now
quartz elm
Mystery Dungeon did
limpid depot
I mentioned this before, but the thing Riddler Khu posted yesterday seems to sug...
Hehe
Ghost pepper
limpid depot
Mystery Dungeon did
Oh yeah I always forget about that
quartz elm
theres a chance
uneven badger
The name
limpid depot
I mean, I feel that series is different
Cuz it was continuing even into the wiiu era
uneven badger
Lechon
limpid depot
That name is kinda dumb, it feels like it's trying to be a meme too hard and will get tiring fast imo lol
opal gull
I mentioned this before, but the thing Riddler Khu posted yesterday seems to sug...
would def prefer no type repeates form las time, whys it always fire that gets those
forest egret
~~That name is kinda dumb, it feels like it's trying to be a meme too hard and w...
It does have it's basis atleast, Lechón is the spanish word for a dish where they like cook a baby pig
quartz elm
cook a pig on bamboo stick
opal gull
I think it was pretty clear that the stuff from PLA was gonna stay in PLA yeah, ...
it COULD get integrated mroe by gen 10 but wasnt gonna be in a game developed at same time
or they could end up parallel lines
limpid depot
It does have it's basis atleast, Lechón is the spanish word for a dish where the...
I know
I'm just afraid that reddit will ruin it for me
forest egret
Heckin Chonker give gold fine sir
opal gull
evo name is more relevant in long term no?
quartz elm
people so focused on not understanding where Lechonk comes from
meanwhile:
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/517031656909963277/981580494963613746/1654091673206.png?width=705&height=609
forest egret
Lol, I saw a post like this on twitter a few minutes ago
opal gull
paSADO and fuTURO
quartz elm
the legendaries names also involve the past and future as well
we time travel boys now
vestal aurora
paSADO and fuTURO
Yeah i said that before
limpid depot
I guess it was an obvious enough duo theme to be inevitable
Definitively not salty that my hack ideas also somewhat involved that/j
forest egret
Sue
vestal aurora
well you said it in the pasado I said it in the (relative) futuro
I said Sada comes from passada which means past and Turo comes from futuro which means future
forest egret
Dialga is fuming rn
quartz elm
Dialga is fuming rn
people mucking about with time again
hes gonna murder some fools
wanton idol
do we know the types for the new mons
forest egret
Ye, they're on the site
Pawmi is electric, Lechonk is normal, and Smolive is Grass/Normal
vestal aurora
Is grass/normal a new type combo?
forest egret
Is grass/normal a new type combo?
Nah, Deerling line
vestal aurora
Oh yeah
vestal aurora
Nah, Deerling line
Forgot them since they're kinda limited to the seasons gimmic
forest egret
Yeah, which is sad
vestal aurora
Cause the idea and designs are awesome
forest egret
Yeah the seasons stuff was so good, wish it stuck around
meager vortex
the olive guy is so cute
forest egret
indeed, it's pretty cool
opal gull
I didnt like the implimentation of seasons even if idea was cool
forest egret
Love the little wavy mouth
late tendon
I like how Lechonk has Aroma Veil cuz it's a truffle
uneven badger
Yeah
small shoal
Lechonk
late tendon
Lechonk
wanton idol
pain
limpid depot
Somethin' about the yellow tears makes me uncomfortable for some reason
copper cliff
i found leaked concept art of the legendaries 
limpid depot
lol
copper cliff
sergal and protogen moment
wanton idol
furry bait box legends lets gooo
forest egret
Le pige
sterile garnet
I hope that the whole dex
limpid depot
its not tears lol-
I know it just
Looks like that when I look at it
twin trail
i found leaked concept art of the legendaries <:huehue:742100381911482479>
i open this server
sighe
strong trail
forest egret
El Chonko Supremo
little whale
I'm in love with Smoliv
forest egret
Yeah, Redditors 
little whale
They better be black when it's shiny because I love black olives
forest egret
They better be black when it's shiny because I love black olives
Perhaps it could turn black as it evolves as well, as thats what olives do as they ripen
patent rivet
Too bad the box art is back to being boring, just the legendary with a colored background
The Legends Arceus boxart was much better
patent rivet
Also they’re really still gonna have physical attacks not actually make physical contact in the animation
I thought they kinda fixed that in Legends, why go back again
I do think the game looks pretty good from these trailers, but GameFreak really doesn’t deserve any benefit of the doubt after what they’ve been doing for the past 9 years
lament glen
I can't believe they added green blob thing
lament glen
Also they’re really still gonna have physical attacks not actually make physical...
wdym, I was so hyped when I saw 2013 move animations in the trailer
lament glen
I do think the game looks pretty good from these trailers, but GameFreak really ...
I honestly don't even think it looks good at all
I looks just as janky as sword and shield and legends. They could take their time and make a good looking game. But no 🤷♂️
patent rivet
They gotta get that holiday release
Because screw you, it will sell well because it’s called Pokémon
lament glen
But we already had an open world pokemon game this year 
patent rivet
Yeah but that was past Christmas
wanton idol
I can't believe they added green blob thing
you made it cry
patent rivet
factually wrong
January 28 is past Christmas
lament glen
And before christmas
lament glen
you made it cry
sometimes blob gotta be sad, its okay
limpid depot
Looks like my linework
patent rivet
i put my lechonk sprite though a filter lmfao
Looks like Xoto made it now
gusty lynx
smoliv my beloved
wanton idol
snas
gusty lynx
it became thunderstorming outside as soon as i said megalovania
i think some higher power got very upset at me
patent rivet
i think some higher power got very upset at me
He’s referring to Sans
echo dawn
i woke up to the announcement, once again
patent rivet
I woke up hours after it, so I know you’re incorrect
echo dawn
What?
patent rivet
The legendaries look pretty ugly
uneven badger
The legendaries look pretty ugly
limpid depot
The legendaries are fine tho they feel a bit too cutesy
They faces are so rounded and toy-like that it fails to be grand or imposing
lament glen
They look better than the dogs
That's all I will ever have to say about the gen 9 legis
wanton idol
that professor looks like he was made in switch sports lol
limpid depot
Oh shit he does have that one hair lol
opal gull
lapis linden
I like both legends tbh dunno why red boy has a wheel chest but aight lol
lapis linden
You know what even the professors have that vibe…..I wonder how that will play into the story
I am intrigued
lament glen
The wheel is the oldest form of invented transportation
No way wheels came before boats
smoky bison
I wonder if there will be time travel
lament glen
You know what even the professors have that vibe…..I wonder how that will play i...
probably all just a coincidence
limpid depot
No way wheels came before boats
Depends on what you consider a boat ig
lapis linden
probably all just a coincidence
i mean maybe we did get legends arceus though so maybe there’s a tie in with past and future vibes cause of that
smoky bison
Did anyone invent the boat tho? I feel like nature did that since you could just sit on a tree trunk floating on the water and call it a boat
lapis linden
Lmfao
limpid depot
lol
lapis linden
Either way imma preorder both and play the one with my favourite exclusives like i did with SwSh 😂
smoky bison
Anyway I will wait for the leak and play it 2 weeks before the guys that preordered
lapis linden
Anyway I will wait for the leak and play it 2 weeks before the guys that preorde...
And stream it legally here?
smoky bison
of course
lament glen
There was nothing in the trailer that made me interested in this game aside from green blob guy and maybe cute ponytail girl but that's not enough so still not getting it 
lapis linden
I mean more info will come so lots of time to make your mind up
smoky bison
I might even stream it on Twitch. Idgaf if I get banned there
lapis linden
The dreaded final evos for starters are coming so that’ll be a selling point for most
lament glen
I mean more info will come so lots of time to make your mind up
Already made up my mind about this game the second I played poopy pearl for the first time
lapis linden
Lets see if the cat keeps its paws on the ground
The diamond and pearl remakes were disappointing i’ll admit, I still enjoyed them though so win for me lmao plus legends arceus was bloody amazing so my hope is they don’t drop the ball this time
limpid depot
Pokemon is a series better to watch content of than play anyways
smoky bison
I wish people would stop preordering games 
lapis linden
XD
smoky bison
Because it shows gamefreak that no matter what shit they push out, people will still flock to their games anyway
lament glen
🙏
smoky bison
Everyone preorder the game even though barely any gameplay is shown -> "heh, guess we can get away with anything"
Barely preorders and people wait to see if the game is actually good -> "oh shit, we have to actually put in effort so people buy the game"
wanton idol
oh yeah i usually wait until december when they release a game like this
lament glen
The diamond and pearl remakes were disappointing i’ll admit, I still enjoyed the...
The new concepts were good and finally a nice - though unpolished - mix up
But it looks like ass and gamefreak seems to have no intention of actually making a game that looks not terrible
smoky bison
The new concepts were good and finally a nice - though unpolished - mix up
But ...
bold opinion: I don't care that the graphics look bad as long as I can see that there was effort put in
No more Sw/Sh-like animations
lapis linden
gamefreak would be doing better if they hired more people tbh that’s the biggest thing holding them back not enough staff to dedicate to small things lol
smoky bison
I am fine with low quality textures. I just want them to at least think about how to make good games
lament glen
bold opinion: I don't care that the graphics look bad as long as I can see that ...
Bolder opinion: If a game actually has effort put into it, it doesnt look like shit by default
lament glen
reject 3d go back to sprites <:huehue:742100381911482479>
🙏 
limpid depot
bold opinion: I don't care that the graphics look bad as long as I can see that ...
I feel you mean you don't care about it being cheap as long as it's good not the opposite lol
smoky bison
Yeah
Give me PS 1 graphics but give me something to have fun with and pleasing to look at within the artstyle
lapis linden
Pokémon is a relatively easy formula lol as long as they don’t change it too much we should be fine.
wanton idol
lol tbh im just happy with the new pokemon so far
the ones ive done have been fun to sprite
so im not complaining
lapis linden
Fair enough lol
smoky bison
Pokémon is a relatively easy formula lol as long as they don’t change it too muc...
Yeah. The reason why I hated BDSP so much is that they basically had their work cut out for them but chose to use the original Pkmn Diamond/Pearl instead of Platinum
*as a base
limpid depot
I'll be honest
I don't like that pig
The others are ok even if not my thing
But the pig makes me weirdly uncomfortable and annoyed
smoky bison
Smolive is my fav Pokemon so far for this and last gen
I wonder if it will turn into a diglett situation where the final evo is just a jar of olives
lapis linden
Yeah. The reason why I hated BDSP so much is that they basically had their work ...
Yeah i agree with you there, i feel like they could have chose platinum instead and it would have been better received. However on that same line if they changed it too much i feel fans would have ended up angry lol so it was definitely a thin line they were walking.
lament glen
I wonder if it will turn into a diglett situation where the final evo is just a ...
How is that a "diglett situation"? 👀
lapis linden
The new Pokémon so far are interesting even if the pigs a bit plain
limpid depot
Yeah i agree with you there, i feel like they could have chose platinum instead ...
I don't believe that at all
All the other remakes changed a lot and everyone loved them for it
Literally never heard anyone complain about ORAS redesigns
lament glen
Yeah i agree with you there, i feel like they could have chose platinum instead ...
Was it though?
I'm sure most people would have been happy if they had changed a ton.And if they finally stopped ruining every remaining bit of difficulty with unballanced exp shares
smoky bison
How is that a "diglett situation"? 👀
Just more of the first evo smooshed together 
lament glen
Is that the pikachu clone?
wanton idol
yeah
lament glen
I'm not even sure what this is
lament glen
but it looks boring as hell so its gotta be a post gen 5 pikachu clone for sure
lapis linden
Pokémon DPP were fan favourites you can’t tell me if they rehauled the story fans wouldn’t have been angry, there were people disappointed in how much ORAS was changed and wished it was closer to the originals they were a minority in this case but they could end a majority real quickly lol
smoky bison
but it looks boring as hell so its gotta be a post gen 5 pikachu clone for sure
Mimikyu? 
lament glen
Mimikyu? <:Thonking:750466447339421716>
Isnt spiky guy the gen 7 clone? At least for me
lament glen
Pokémon DPP were fan favourites you can’t tell me if they rehauled the story fan...
I don't agree with this one bit
limpid depot
Pokémon DPP were fan favourites you can’t tell me if they rehauled the story fan...
I don't believe that at all
DP is honestly way more divisive than RS
It only feels like it's more popular cuz now people who were kids when they played it have (kinda) grown up and are now common on the internet lol
But that happens around the time of all remakes
~~This is also the same reason gen 5 is the most popular it's ever been but let's not get into that ~~
lament glen
And the story was not the reason why people like gen 4. Or any pokemon game that isnt mystery dungeon
smoky bison
The spinoff games always have pretty good stories
Why do the main line games never do
limpid depot
Why do the main line games never do <:Thonking:750466447339421716>
I feel the series is afraid of taking itself too seriously and making it's world look imperfect in any unfixable way
It's the main problem with the story in BW and the whole reason gen 6's fell flat
Everything is kinda made to be clean and polished and accessible to the point it lacks a bit of an edge to it
It tries to be just a basic kid friendly anime story, if that makes any sense
The spin offs are free of that sometimes, being more niche and thus exploring more niche ideas that don't have to be as clean and appealing as possible
limpid depot
I mean it's an olive lol
limpid depot
The spin offs are free of that sometimes, being more niche and thus exploring mo...
There's this one really good video about this uh
This
wanton idol
small shoal
Banger
late tendon
It's ACTUALLY as tall as an olive <:heehee:945800365457149992>
I thought it's head olive will have the size of olive hahahaha
it's
so
smoooooooooooooooool
aaaaaaaaaa
I want it's 1:1 figurine
twin trail
I wonder if it will turn into a diglett situation where the final evo is just a ...
10/10 pokemon
limpid depot
Nah it'll probably be humanoid by the end
Lil bulbous dot eyed plant thingies tend to do that
uneven badger
The legendaries are fine tho they feel a bit too cutesy
Just wait until the legendary camels
Imagine camels pokemon
white jungle
So what are we thinking for the types? Twin dragons with fighting/steel as well? Electric/steel with fighting/dragon?
white jungle
I could see fairy/fighting for the past one
Maybe a stretch for what fairy types typically are but I think it's frilly enough
white jungle
Plus I'd like to see more fairies that are mystical instead of just cute
uneven badger
Represent both sides
sterile garnet
I actually hope they aren't dragon types
white jungle
I wouldn't mind either way, I just like that they look like dragon types
The dragon legendaries are always so good, it's when you stray away from them that the designs get worse
I don't hate any box legendary's design personally but like
Zacian in comparison to Zekrom or Giratina? No contest
Hell even zygrade glowed up
uneven badger
Both being Motorcycle
Steel type
👍
I'm sure is going to be like zacian and zamazenta
The designs going hard
white jungle
Honestly it's kind of a goofy concept but I actually really like it
I feel like right off the bat these legends have more character than the last few ever did
uneven badger
A past where in Spain there were people who thought like cavemen who just wanted to fight and the other side where people wanted to leave wars and evolve like the rest of the world did
white jungle
I mean I know there are a lot of jokes about Zacian and Zamazenta having the same design but like damn you couldn't even give them some differing personality?
uneven badger
Time traveling with motorcycle
white jungle
I wonder if they'll be the only ride Pokémon though
It'll be interesting to see how they're implemented
Ideally? Just make em like the master cycle
uneven badger
A past where in Spain there were people who thought like cavemen who just wanted...
The Republic
white jungle
But better preferably
lament glen
opal gull
I don't believe that at all
All the other remakes changed a lot and everyone lov...
I dislike the teleporting that madeja miss the backtrackignthrough areas with new skills that shwocased the regions amazing design
opal gull
Yeah i agree with you there, i feel like they could have chose platinum instead ...
lack of platinum improvements is why I didn't getit, If I'm getting a remake that doesnt change much it better be as definitive as possible
white jungle
The spin offs are free of that sometimes, being more niche and thus exploring mo...
Pokepark is basically under tyrannical rule
Not what you were getting at but it's true
lament glen
Oh, I think we haven't talked about the UI yet: It looks pretty bad imo
Even the poopy pearl one looked better to me
meager oasis
Is the grass thing a regional budew
icy forge
No. Is cuter
late tendon
Oh, I think we haven't talked about the UI yet: It looks pretty bad imo
Even th...
The game footage is not final ©
Usually it means exactly that
Or I get you wrong?
lament glen
I dont think there is a single instance of the UI changing between trailer and final release in any pokemon game
icy forge
The difference between model and Artwork is abyssal
lament glen
But that phrase means nothing anyway, aside from the possibility of there being slight technical improvements
late tendon
The difference between model and Artwork is abyssal
What's the difference?
Looks pretty much the same for me
icy forge
How I say?
lament glen
I think its the same old "the 3d model looks lifeless compared to the sprite/artwork" thing
And I agree
icy forge
Maybe…
pastel lark
gonna see if i get one of those right:
Lechonk will evolve into a normal / fighthing
Pawmi into a Electric / Fire
Smoliv into the same typing or grass / poison
flint sequoia
The Hisuian pokemon had odd artwork, some proportions were off
lament glen
I think its the same old "the 3d model looks lifeless compared to the sprite/art...
Though its not as bad with mons that never had sprites for me
Some of my old favorites got compeatly murdered by their shitty 3d models sadly: Sneasel (weird proportions and stupidly big claws), Hippowdon (just stands there naked without sand), Meditite (lamest pose imaginable), Blaziken (lame pose and no fire), Nuzleaf (big stupid hands) and many more that I can't think of right now
twin trail
gonna see if i get one of those right:
Lechonk will evolve into a normal / fight...
Im holding you to this
honestly i think Lechonk could go Normal/Ground
or heck even Ground/Fighting
lament glen
I hope olive guy turns into oil type
pastel lark
Oil / plant
twin trail
Smoliv leaked evolution
pastel lark
Genius
lament glen
rip gen 7 plant thingy
pastel lark
at least they didnt somehow sexualise it
Yet
lament glen
Oh and its so weird that we never had a (real) female rival before
I feel stupid for never thinking that thats kinda stupid
limpid depot
Technically there's the tan girl in gen 6
And Marnie
But yeah it's maybe questionable if those count
limpid depot
Oh yeah her too
white jungle
People count N as a rival and I wouldn't say he fits the typical description of one
So if he counts then I think Bianca would?
limpid depot
Bianca def. counts I feel
limpid depot
Yeah Cheren and Bianca are absolutely closer to the rival role
white jungle
Also yes gen 6 had Shauna
And her odd one-scene romantic notions
Also May exists
And wouldn't Dawn count too?
AND SERENA
limpid depot
Yeah that's what I mean by tan girl in gen 6
Tho I don't count any of the XY rivals as "real rivals" expect maybe the player model one lol
I think he isn't counting the genderbent player ones
white jungle
Also Lillie
pastel lark
Do we even fight lillie?
icy forge
No if I remember correctly
white jungle
I could have sworn you do but I'm probably wrong, didn't really enjoy sun/moon
limpid depot
Lilie only decides to be a trainer post credits lol
icy forge
I like the new girl with green hair…but, and I know sound strange, she had villain vibes to me
white jungle
Oh I never played the Sword/Shield dlc but isn't there a rival in there too?
Pink hair?
late tendon
Oh I never played the Sword/Shield dlc but isn't there a rival in there too?
two rivals, in fact
limpid depot
Yeah, the gaslight gatekeep girlboss one
late tendon
one for each version
white jungle
two rivals, in fact
Man, the sword and shield dlc sounds cool, wish it had been part of the game from the beginning or a free update instead of that BS
late tendon
Klara's for Sword and Avery's for Shield
white jungle
Still, I suppose it at least added some genuine new content. I remember waiting for the BOTW DLCs
Did I get both? Yes. Was it worth it??
Next question.
Also, does the Sword and Shield DLC work for both or do you have to buy it for both games? Because if so having version exclusive content is scummy as fuck
white jungle
That's bullshit
late tendon
but if you play one version with several accounts, 1 is enough
limpid depot
The SwSh dlc is one of those things I hate talking about cuz
It's technically better than a third version but also isn't a good situation still
white jungle
Game Freak better fix that shit if they ever release Scarlet and Violet DLC because it's looking like the different versions will actually have a significant impact
late tendon
buuut you're also getting both isle of armor and crown tundra with one dlc pass
both are neat, I absolutely love dynamax adventures in crown tundra
white jungle
buuut you're also getting both isle of armor and crown tundra with one dlc pass
This means nothing, it all amounts to the content of one big free update anyway
late tendon
spent a crazy ammount of time hunting shiny legendaries in there
white jungle
They just gave it a needless price tag
late tendon
well, yea, buying two passes for each version is very stupid
white jungle
And this is coming from a guy who was into Skylanders as a kid, those things fucking ate money
late tendon
I'm just glad they didn't make a third version
white jungle
But they were still more worthwhile than that shit
You could get like 5 in some packs
Also Bowser and Donkey Kong were there
But I fell out of love with the series before that game
Probably because of Trap Team's gimmick. Capturing enemies is so cool!! Let's put a fucking time limit on how long you can use it.
But I digress.
I will admit I can see what people are getting at about the art Vs the models
But as has already been said I mean
It's to be expected, right?
This shit's been going on forever
I was just saying the other day that the 3D artists and the 2D artists need to mix better because just look at Landorus and it's Therian form
late tendon
eh, I always found 2d art more expressive, not just in pokemon but in looots of game as well
because, well
white jungle
Official art? Badass genie with a cool tiger form that looks menacing
late tendon
art is more expressive 
late tendon
there's 3d that is amazingly expressive like in Tartakovsky's animations
but in the games it's usually waaay less expressive
limpid depot
At least the colors look kinda better
We've been in pastel gray land for 3 gens
late tendon
at least that's what I tend to see
white jungle
All I'm saying is I'd kill for a Pokémon series with a similar style to Arcane
Maybe it's overrated by now idk, but I fucking love the art style
late tendon
anyways, pokemon games were never about the graphics for me personally, I just don't want them to be too realistic
limpid depot
I don't think they'd put in the effort
Like, with their schedule restrictions, simpler will always be the only way
white jungle
At least the colors look kinda better
We've been in pastel gray land for 3 gens
The colours of everything look brighter, this region is super bright
limpid depot
Yeah
That's what I mean
white jungle
I'm still seeing hate for the human designs but honestly I don't really see the issue?
The PLA models worked for how that game looked, which wasn't spectacular, even if people are in denial about that
But this game has better textures. I'm not on team Everything Must Be Super Realistic
But the game is already more realistic looking
These models fit better
limpid depot
The humans are very different so I understand the resentment but they aren't bad at all
white jungle
Just like how the Pokémon have better textures. They'd look out of place if they were still just weird pastel flesh
white jungle
The humans are very different so I understand the resentment but they aren't bad...
Not to mention the customisation! I'm seeing some locs and stuff as far as hair goes in the trailer that (as far as I'm aware) don't look bad
Which is pretty big considering poc hair customisation in many games including Nintendo games is limited to an afro and corn rows
late tendon
I just noticed
that these legendaries literally have seats and handlebars to ride them
(I absolutely love their designs btw)
white jungle
that these legendaries literally have seats and handlebars to ride them <:thiscl...
But no back wheel which is odd
For the future one it makes sense, it has boosters
But what about the past one? Is that back black patch like a... Tank tread?
Or will it's back half just slither?
fickle birch
that these legendaries literally have seats and handlebars to ride them <:thiscl...
Yeah, I expect they're going to be mountable in some way. 🙂
late tendon
But no back wheel which is odd
we don't even know how they work, I feel it'stoo early to say that
late tendon
Yeah, I expect they're going to be mountable in some way. 🙂
I think they'll probably have some bike mode or smth
- riddler leaked that ||they'll be ridable||
fickle birch
I wonder if they'll work differently to each other, because with its turbines I could see Miraidon having a Soar-like feature. 😄
late tendon
btw, yea, he's probably right about their typing
||fighting dragon and electric dragon||
at least that's what his riddle contained, and he definately knows a lot
fickle birch
Oh yeah, I mean at least one of them makes a lot of sense to me. 😄
||Koraidon could have easily been Dragon/Rock, though. 😅||
late tendon
I can see him as part ||fighting|| but the design isn't that straightforward (which isn't bad by any means!)
also, I love the professors design
I'm gonna take Scarlet and hang out with a cave woman 
and gf's gonna take Violet with futuristic gigachad
fickle birch
I genuinely want to pick Violet for Miraidon, but that means I'll not have Sada... 😢
white jungle
Not only is this the first game where I've struggled on which starter to pick (though inevitably, Quaxly is the right choice)
It's the first time I've genuinely struggled to decide which game I want
late tendon
I'm gonna be in Scarlet Fuecoco gang
gf wants Quaxly and Violet, and we both don't care about Sprigatito that much
white jungle
Honestly overrated
I don't hate it but like
It's just a cat, and everyone saying it'll have a super cool final evolution always shows concept art of
Just a bigger cat
I think it'll probably be cool, Quaxly is just more promising right now
late tendon
eh, I feel kinda same, it's just a green kitten for me, which is cute but not that special
Fuecoco won my heart right away
and I think it'll be hard to ruin it for me even if it becomes a furry bait
cuz crocs are badass
and I didn't pick a fire starter in a looong time
white jungle
Uh huh? Well I saw Fuecoco vent did you think about that
fickle birch
gf wants Quaxly and Violet, and we both don't care about Sprigatito that much
Depending on what Quaxly evolves into, I'm likely making the same choice. 😄
white jungle
Honestly another thing about Sprigatito? Weakest memes I'm sorry
Fuecoco has among us, which isn't big, but at least it's relevant
late tendon
it was Popplio => no starter run for Ultra Sun => Grookey => Piplup => Oshawott for my last Pokemon games
white jungle
Sprigatito has outdated weed memes from 2012
Quaxly has fucking everything from JoJo's to Donald Duck
fickle birch
it was Popplio => no starter run for Ultra Sun => Grookey => Piplup => Oshawott ...
Rowlet -> Popplio -> Scorbunny -> Turtwig -> Rowlet II for me. 🙂
late tendon
I love hisuian Typhlosion but like
I picked it all the times I played Johto
white jungle
Honestly Hisuian Samurott is the best solely because it brought more to a criminally underappreciated Pokémon
Typhlosion hadn't been touched since it was created, which I sympathise with, but also it's literally the fan favourite Johto starter
late tendon
Samurott was neat to play with, the only issue's that most of his attacks missed a lot
but I like all 3 hisuian starters
Typh is just my fav one
white jungle
Decidueye didn't need a new form, but I guess I can appreciate the diversity? Though Primarina needed it more
Samurott needed the win, it has everything against it
late tendon
eh, I don't feel the same
I really like Primarina as it is, it's my fav Alolan starter, and it was fun using and watching other people using it in gen 8 VGC before double legendaries format
white jungle
Worst starter (to use) in its generation, untouched for 10 years, honestly still decently hated even post-bw-hate
late tendon
I liked Decidueye way less ( I picked Rowlet for my no starter run cuz, well, you have to pick one before you change your team) and evolved it into Dartrix, and it was pretty meh
white jungle
I really like Primarina as it is, it's my fav Alolan starter, and it was fun usi...
Honestly I'm not disagreeing, Primarina is cool, I just think out of the three it's had the least love from Game Freak
white jungle
I think we can all agree Incineroar didn't need it
late tendon
Lmao yea
patent rivet
I wish Primarina had a better hidden ability
white jungle
It's like a busted fire weilding Scrafty
Honestly I think special attack needs more to go against it (like I think frostbite should be carried forward) but kinda hope there will never be a Special equivalent to intimidate
Because you could have Incineroar, Landorus T and that on a team and just have nothing touch you ever
patent rivet
What about Pokémon with clear body or contrary
white jungle
What about Pokémon with clear body or contrary
Malamar suddenly becomes God
Malamar and Tentacruel, the squids of peace
patent rivet
Serperior
white jungle
Uber
snow glade
Porygon did nothing wrong give em another chance
white jungle
Another reason megas need to return, Mega Porygon would be perfect for a game with Futuristic pokemon
late tendon
Honestly I think special attack needs more to go against it (like I think frostb...
I hope they'll change freeze to frostbite for this reason (and mostly cuz freeze isn't that fun)
white jungle
I hope they'll change freeze to frostbite for this reason (and mostly cuz freeze...
I don't think they should scrap freeze? I don't like existing gameplay mechanics being obliterated
But I think they should replace freeze with frostbite on common ice moves
Move freeze to more niche ones like Freeze Dry (duh)
I think frostbite would be better for the common ones for everyone involved, and could actually have an equivalent to moves like Will O Wisp
late tendon
For me damage rolls, sleep turns and crit chances is enough RNG, freeze is just so rare and inconsistant
white jungle
Yeah but ice types are also weak, so keeping freeze around for special occasions shouldn't be off the table
late tendon
I don't see it much, and when I see it, it feels kiiinda unfair
Yea maybe, like infatuation
white jungle
For example an ice type box legend wouldn't get shat on so bad if it's signature had a good freeze chance
late tendon
Good freeze chance would be hella broken
white jungle
Kyurem's closest equivalent is I believe glaciate lowers speed?
white jungle
Good freeze chance would be hella broken
Totally, which is why it would be saved for a box legend. Preferably something slow, which is a major negative for an ice type, to allow for it to still be risky
late tendon
Still too broken even for a legendary, I wouldn't want another Zacian
Maybe better for a mythical
They don't get used in VGC at all
white jungle
I'm not saying like 50% chance, just something more than rare ass ice beam
late tendon
I feel like frostbite would buff ice types, especially if they get a will-o-wisp equivalent that will be rare for non-ice mons
Like how will-o-wisp is mainly for fires and ghosts
mainly, not completely
white jungle
I feel like frostbite would buff ice types, especially if they get a will-o-wisp...
I agree, having a way to shut down good special picks would be pretty damn strong.
They could even keep with the ghostly element theme if they wanted
Like Ghostly Chill or some dumb shit like that
Slap it on Frosslass and it's all thematical, everyone's happy
opal gull
Move freeze to more niche ones like Freeze Dry (duh)
is freeze dry niche?
randoms in showdown have ita lot
opal gull
Slap it on Frosslass and it's all thematical, everyone's happy
until it inspires them to make a new super ghost ice horse
white jungle
is freeze dry niche?
Eh, maybe not. But it's in a weirder position than strong hitting moves like ice beam and blizzard, which could easily be better move picks if ice was a better type overall
But because ice is bad, freeze dry is a great move despite it, not because of it
After all, you aren't shutting down Pokémon that are weak to ice with it, at least not as the main intention
It's good because water types have two fucking weaknesses and that's ridiculous
opal gull
laughs in electric
white jungle
And because water/ground is only gonna get its ass kicked by grass
Another NOT GREAT type
Don't get me wrong, there are a lot more good grass picks than ice picks
white jungle
But one move is a smaller slot waste than a party slot so if you don't already have a grass type, and freeze dry is available, it's obviously the better choice
So yeah, maybe not niche, but a more unique move I guess
opal gull
wish ice burn and shcok werent stupid charge moves
white jungle
I'll be honest I'd love to see charge/recharge moves receive a buff, especially the normal type ones
We aren't in gen 1 anymore
opal gull
pla they kind do
white jungle
Giga impact could be raised to 180 and it would still probably be weak
opal gull
then ya prob need to buff explosion
white jungle
I was just about to say that actually
I mean I get that something exploding and decimating one of your Mons could get annoying but like
It's not exactly hard to see coming from most things
opal gull
eh might be moreso if it was run more
white jungle
And a whole Pokémon feels like a bigger loss than it used to be
So an explosion buff could very easily be in order
All the Supposed To Be Strong moves could probably do with it
Like the elemental hyper beams
When's the last time you taught one of those to a Pokémon
Hell, the pledge moves have seen more use than them, and they're supposed to be the worse versions
But then they added The Swamp
And yes, I will admit, strong moves designed to be used by button-mashing children to test through NPC's? They're the laziest way of playing the game.
But we all came from the same place
Those of us who are cultured never left
Outside of competitive it's no status changes, only hit thing hard and watch thing die
So if I want to hit something with a giant laser which leaves my Pokémon exhausted? Make it count, Game Freak.
That or like
Maybe make it a chance to recharge?
But I could see that being more annoying than it being guaranteed
People would gamble and people would lose
fickle birch
Honestly Hisuian Samurott is the best solely because it brought more to a crimin...
Hard disagree unfortunately, it's just Samurott if it was designed by a 12-year-old in 2006, edgy flame decals and all. 😅
opal gull
Honestly Hisuian Samurott is the best solely because it brought more to a crimin...
It didnt hange enough to bring more to it
it felt like just a bit of a reolro compared to rest
flint sequoia
Sneasel is in the same boat
snow glade
funny change would be to revert the recharge moves back to gen1 property
it prob wont happen because of the ensuing sweeps because nobody packed a normal resist and porygon just got +1 and is choice specs
opal gull
opal gull
they did forget the atenna on scarlet tbf
lapis linden
I think I’ll enjoy these game tbh am hopeful about it all though for sure
opal gull
lapis linden
It looks more bear like, its not obvious rodent looking
Even togedemaru felt rodent like even though it was more armadillo
limpid depot
I hope it actually evolves for once
Pika clones kinda suffer to me cuz they can never have evo lines
stray terrace
Azumarill did
lapis linden
I hope it actually evolves for once
Pika clones kinda suffer to me cuz they can ...
It looks very first stage if that helps it doesn’t look like a standalone mon
limpid depot
Azumarill did
Marill kinda doesn't count for me
It came before all the others and follows none of the pikaclone patterns
limpid depot
It looks very first stage if that helps it doesn’t look like a standalone mon
Yeah I have a feeling it just looks way too tiny and simple
lapis linden
electric bear could be cool
limpid depot
Like, to me, if it's not eletric type it's not a pika clone
Marill and Mimykyu are completely different from what the idea usually means
Mimykyu is practically a parody of pikaclones lol
lapis linden
which was fun af
limpid depot
Yeah
The lack of limitations makes it the best one by default
Which is why I don't count it, it just isn't fair
lapis linden
agreed, personally i like emolga the best or gen4 squirrel lol
limpid depot
I feel it says a lot that you forgot the name lol
limpid depot
Pffff
Imo that's kinda the worst one
It just has nothing special
Actually, scratch that, the gen 6 one is worse
lapis linden
Which is gen sixes? XD
forest egret
Small raichu
limpid depot
The unique type feels like a band aid to it's total lack of interestingness
forest egret
Pawmi kinda looks like a chinchilla to me a little
lapis linden
I liked plusle and minun, Hangry hampster is fun as a gimmick if nothing more, togedemaru is okay
lapis linden
Pawmi kinda looks like a chinchilla to me a little
Ohhhh i see that lol i hope it evos could be fun
Dedenne was boring so much so i had to google its name XD
lapis linden
fair, it's a decent design
south trellis
morpeko was mine
lapis linden
I liked the unique gimmick of morepeko, hangry mode is fun AND he was big in story if you count what swsh had as story so its memorable
lament glen
That game had a story? 👀
wanton idol
vestal aurora
I'm gonna be in Scarlet Fuecoco gang
Omg same
little whale
Violet Sprigatito for me
wanton idol
also the type icons are by kuroblanc
idk which version im getting
but i think im going quaxly
uneven badger
south trellis
scarlet lechonk
lament glen
I like olive most so far
wanton idol
I like olive most so far
🤝
flint sequoia
Snom 2
vestal aurora
I love this new era of name origins ngl
Kinda meme like
And the legends name origin is epic
Ride on the past and ride on the future
frigid spindle
Do you guys think gamefreak will upgrade the graphics a bit?
Because the ground in the game looks shit
like PS2 graphics
flint sequoia
Legends Arceus' graphics was its main issue
frigid spindle
Legends Arceus' graphics was its main issue
It's quite ironic because legends arceus actually looks better than sv
flint sequoia
Disagree
frigid spindle
The graphics look so different
I compared the pokemon from legends to sv, and the noticed that the sv mons are more shinier and glossier
and the overall detail compared to the design is worse
they've downgraded a bit in the graphics imo
But everything else is alright, I just hope we'll be able to catch mons like we did in legends
frigid spindle
I mean it would be dumb to just remove it from the game
That's one of the aspects of pokemon, just being able to catch one in the overworld
Makes it more fun and "realistic" to a sense
icy forge
The new girl with green hair, un her information says: She is not very good throwing Pokeballs
Maybe hint something
frigid spindle
forest egret
Well throwing pokeballs has been a thing since the beginning, so idk if that's something we can really read into
frigid spindle
The new girl with green hair, un her information says: She is not very good thro...
In one of her lines she says "are you these three's trainer?"
So we might have all the three starters
icy forge
Thats to
But
I refer this
Is in Spanish
But I guess it will be the same un other languages
forest egret
Again, characters throw pokeballs reguardless of the PLA mechanic, it's how catching pokemon has always worked
I think that's meant to imply that she's not adept at catching pokemon
forest egret
I don't quite see it
uneven badger
forest egret
Wombats have short ears and are bottom-heavy rather than top-heavy
forest egret
A chinchilla is what I think it might be too
I've heard some people say it might be a dormouse too
forest egret
I'm confused, what animal do you think Minccino is
uneven badger
It's obviously an exaggeration of a chinchilla
uneven badger
I can see a legendary trio like zapdos moltres articuno in this game
Maybe fairy type
Based on the wise men
But it's just speculation
white jungle
It's quite ironic because legends arceus actually looks better than sv
This is just objectively wrong. You can maybe say you prefer PLA style but the SV graphics are just a flat upgrade to everything.
frigid spindle
This is just objectively wrong. You can maybe say you prefer PLA style but the S...
Thats an opinion :/
I mean come on bruh-
it looks so much worse
You can see the pixels in the shadow
LMAO
God awful
white jungle
Okay sure let's take single shots of empty ground as an example
Beautiful, stunning
So full of life
frigid spindle
It honestly looks better
white jungle
I particularly like the water texture which is just the same patch over and over again
frigid spindle
The main difference is that one is finished the other isnt
I hope it's better
when it's complete
white jungle
Like some sort of mirror dimension pool
vestal aurora
I hope it's better
Same, but it looks like it will
white jungle
Besides when is your head ever even that close to a Pokémon? I'm not saying the graphics are great but they're 100% an improvement on PLA even in their unfinished state, the Pokémon textures alone are proof of that
frigid spindle
Okay just comparing these
Scarlet violet is waaayyy to vibrant.
I know it's an artistic approach but it looks faker than LA
frigid spindle
Besides when is your head ever even that close to a Pokémon? I'm not saying the ...
The cutscenes are nice aswell as the animation
forest egret
I think I prefer the vibrant look. But look, Pokemon as a franchise is years behind everything else, they both don't look great and I wouldn't get my hopes up for improvement
frigid spindle
the designs are just odd
white jungle
Game Freak love to disappoint us with graphics, and judging by Legends Arceus people will defend that for some reason
Because I'm sure I really hurt the multibillion dollar company's feewings when I said it's grass looks shit
frigid spindle
I mean come on bruh-
Like the pokemon looks alright here, I'm just pissed about the dirt/ground
it looks horrible
white jungle
It's an improvement, I don't think that should be denied, but that doesn't mean it's on par with good looking games yet
That being said, I am excited for the Pokémon textures, I think the idea that they went through each one that's in game and gave them proper detail is pretty big
forest egret
Because I'm sure I really hurt the multibillion dollar company's feewings when I...
If they just stopped churning these out so fast we could be golden
I adore looking at whenever they make new pokemon and stuff but it'd be nice if the games they were in had the same love
frigid spindle
Game Freak love to disappoint us with graphics, and judging by Legends Arceus pe...
Well yeah they're just so fixed on keeping they're 3 year release date of a pokemon game
They either need to lengthen their deadline, or hire more employees
My friend said that they're deribretily making it bad for some reason
white jungle
I'm not even sure that's the problem, because frankly PLA's graphics are skimped on enough that they should have had loads of time and resources to work on SV graphics. Again, this is a multibillion dollar company, if they wanted to make it look good they would use the necessary money to do so.
They aren't deliberately making poor graphic decisions to sabotage the game, they just know Pokémon fans will eat up whatever they're given
forest egret
I think it's less they're making them bad on purpose, and more that they're putting less effort on purpose to save time and money, which are both things this company still has
white jungle
Because they've created a community that deliberately sticks to old games with worse graphics
So the average player doesn't give a fuck
frigid spindle
They aren't deliberately making poor graphic decisions to sabotage the game, the...
True, but they could get more support from the buyers (money) if they just spent a little more time on their games
But nah.
white jungle
But we see this in everything, I mean are we really expected to believe that Pokémon couldn't get a good looking anime if it wanted to?
But it's taken them this long to improve in that regard
uneven badger
Nintendo switch fault
white jungle
And that's with the animation falling on and off a lot anyway
Remember the Black and White anime?
Love the generation but god it's hard to watch
forest egret
BW's anime is the worst yeah, but most of them aren't animated well, it's nothing new
white jungle
This is what I'm saying
Their Quantity Over Graphical Quality standpoint doesn't just extend to the games
It's all over the place
frigid spindle
I hate companies that do the most laziest shit they can do but still get income
Of course pokemon/gamefreak is one of these companies
frigid spindle
But we see this in everything, I mean are we really expected to believe that *Po...
Honestly, quality over quantity how do these idiots at the board meetings not understand it
They'd get more income and praise
white jungle
It's kind of a weird antithesis to Bethesda. Bethesda makes games with pretty good graphics, but often skimp majorly on gameplay
Pokémon usually has pretty decent gameplay then drops the ball on graphics
frigid spindle
Their Quantity Over Graphical Quality standpoint doesn't just extend to the game...
Yeah their main income is merchandise
white jungle
And it probably sounds weird to people that fans are complaining when the graphics are the best they've ever been but frankly it's not unfair to point at BOTW
For god's sake it's still a beautiful game
And it was one of the first fucking things released on the Switch
"you can't compare everything to BOTW!!" YES YOU CAN
IT'S LITERALLY WHAT SET THE BAR
YOU'RE MEANT TO MEET THAT EXPECTATION
white jungle
If I cook you a gourmet steak on a date and the next week I promise to cook again and give you a bowl of cereal
forest egret
In this case yeah, I think when people compare the concept of the open-world to BOTW it definitely comes off as "games journalist-y" but yeah, both that and Odyssey are examples that the switch isn't the problem at all
white jungle
I have set an expectation for myself that I'm not meeting
white jungle
In this case yeah, I think when people compare the concept of the open-world to ...
That's just it, I think the Don't Compare To BOTW gameplay works when people are comparing open world gameplay to it
But if the subject is graphics, on the switch, in an open world game
It's kind of THE THING that sets that precedent
forest egret
Ye
frigid spindle
I dont know if it's just me but sv trailer 1 and trailer 2 graphics looked different
Trailer 1 looked better
white jungle
It could just be that certain things are finished and not finished, and that they had to include more of the latter in trailer 2 to diversify what they were showing
frigid spindle
Probably
white jungle
Because like some of the best shots in trailer 1 are specifically night time in one specific area with very specific closeups of the new Pokémon textures
Like that Seviper shot, or the Lucario and H-Zoroark battle
I think the worst part is like
I still adore Pokémon games, and I don't think overall they are lazy games
As I said, gameplay still stays pretty solid
frigid spindle
Yeah the gameplay is good
white jungle
And honestly even the story it pretty decent for how Perfect the world seems to be
frigid spindle
I think they've gotten a bit lazier with the stories
although gen 7 was good
nvm
white jungle
But they've just routinely screwed us with the graphics since gen 6
frigid spindle
Maybe they should've stuck to 2d, lol
white jungle
And it's like maybe it's easy to say they got lazier past gen 5 but I don't think that's necessarily accurate?
Because realistically, 2D is gonna be cheaper than 3D. No matter what.
I don't think the company GOT cheap or lazier or anything
I think they just didn't match the increase in how demanding the transition to 3D is
If Gen 5 had been a 3D game, I think it would have had exactly the same treatment is what I'm getting at
frigid spindle
I don't think the company GOT cheap or lazier or anything
Yeah not cheaper, but I really do feel they got lazier. it's a combination of overworked employees and greedy multi-million company(ies).
Cause they know poke-fans will buy anything.
white jungle
What sucks is that both of the main sides in this debate are full of assholes too
It's like you've gotta be with the people defending corporate greed or the people who never moved past gen 3
frigid spindle
Lol
white jungle
Like I said, I do still think Scarlet and Violet is an improvement, I think they're gonna be the best games in a while
frigid spindle
I do defend the people that work on it, but not gamefreak and nintendo. Fuck them.
forest egret
It's like you've gotta be with the people defending corporate greed or the peopl...
Yeah, going onto the twitter replies of any pokemon post is about as bad as it gets
white jungle
I do defend the people that work on it, but not gamefreak and nintendo. Fuck the...
Ofc ofc
frigid spindle
Yeah I'm still gonna give in any buy the game
white jungle
I especially like Koraidon and Miraidon, I know I'm a sucker for the dragon legends but they look fucking awesome
frigid spindle
I feel like Smoliv is gonna get the bounsweet, petlil, fomantis, budew and sewadle treatment.
frigid spindle
I especially like Koraidon and Miraidon, I know I'm a sucker for the dragon lege...
I really like Koraidon
And miraidon
But yeah I'm gonna go scarlet pr sure
uneven badger
Dragon
white jungle
Here's hoping for the Petilil treatment specifically because Liligant is the best design out of all of those
Roserade is pretty cool I guess
uneven badger
frigid spindle
Here's hoping for the Petilil treatment specifically because Liligant is the bes...
yeah I guess lilligant would be good
uneven badger
Textures looking 4k
frigid spindle
Although a branch evo would be nice
I'm getting tired of the cute small grass mon
They'll kinda all the same now
uneven badger
They'll kinda all the same now
Amogus
frigid spindle
lil beans
white jungle
I do think it's an odd choice for them both to be dragon? I know I just said I love the dragon legends, but I didn't necessarily mean they have to have the typing?
I just think they do their best work when they're designing a dragon legend
frigid spindle
I suspect they maaayy have a sound type.
uneven badger
The first pikachu clone I actually like
frigid spindle
because theres music and stuff in the background when they appears
their own music
forest egret
The SwSh legendaries had a motif too though
uneven badger
I don't like the rest ones
white jungle
I think their typing are confirmed Dragon/Fighting and Dragon/Electric
uneven badger
Better deddene
frigid spindle
they might not even be dragon types
meager oasis
i hope its not dragon/electric or dragon/steel because zekrom and dialga already have those types
uneven badger
Or full metal body dragon electric
forest egret
I think there was a khu leak thing a while ago that did confirm them as fighting/dragon and electric/dragon
frigid spindle
Man I hope not
white jungle
Yeah
white jungle
Honestly I would have liked Fairy/Fighting for Koraidon, I feel like that's not a stretch for its design
forest egret
I think Dragon/Fighting works well but Electric/Steel for the other would've been nice
white jungle
Well fairy/fighting and steel/electric could have worked well
Because then they'd have typings which actually contend decently with eachother
Instead of another Kyogre and Groudon
forest egret
The thing is, because of the old vs new theme, Dragon seems the most fitting for Koraidon because, with like Regidrago and stuff, they seem to be leaning into dragon being the "Ancient" type
forest egret
But now it's weird because, like Miraidon is made of metal right, what does that do
smoky bison
Adding another type seems moot at this point
frigid spindle
Adding another type seems moot at this point
I mean what do they have to lose
white jungle
I think maybe that's part of the appeal of dragons, they're effective against themselves, so unless you're stupid and make one, say, a dragon/steel type, ruining that point entirely, your legendary dragons are gonna be balanced against one another
forest egret
They only add types for balancing and there's been no reason for them to do so
smoky bison
I mean what do they have to lose
what do they have to gain?
white jungle
But who would ever ruin their dragon balance by making one neutral to dragon?
I mean come on
frigid spindle
what do they have to gain?
Another type, cool pokemon
forest egret
And subjectively I think sound type is kinda silly, but I guess that depends on person to person
frigid spindle
Yeah
smoky bison
Another type, cool pokemon
I don't think another type would add anything gameplay-wise, that's why I don't think (or at least hope) there won't be new ones.
white jungle
I think in defense of sound type Pokémon, I personally would prefer they had a way to unify sound moves without making Pokémon normal type
smoky bison
I would like to see some balance changes though. Making steel/Fairy a bit weaker and Ice stronger
white jungle
It makes no sense that Noivern doesn't get Stab with Boomburst
forest egret
Dark, Steel and Fairy were all added for specific reasons yeah, not just because "They're cool"
frigid spindle
I don't think another type would add anything gameplay-wise, that's why I don't ...
Gameplay wise, it would at another type.
white jungle
But it's not normal/dragon so here we are
smoky bison
Gameplay wise, it would at another type.
More types does not equal more fun
white jungle
Same goes with Toxtricity
frigid spindle
More types does not equal more fun
yes it does
smoky bison
lmao alright man
forest egret
I don't think so, if it's just arbitrarily tacked-on then no
white jungle
I also had an idea for mega Seismitoad which would require it to learn Boomburst. Basically pixilate for ground types. Boosted ground Boomburst, perfect for what Seismitoad is. Can you imagine how scary it would be?
frigid spindle
I don't think so, if it's just arbitrarily tacked-on then no
It just seems so obvious to add a sound type because we have some sound related pokemon and moves
and making them normal is boring as
white jungle
Of course Hyper Voice works too but frankly that wouldn't be much of an improvement on earth power, which it already has, aside from hitting through substitute and protect. Still a fairly strong thing but Boomburst would make it really special.
smoky bison
Just because you have more types, doesn't mean you will have more fun in battles. It will get bloated very quickly. I hope gamefreak don't pull another type out of their ass just to sell the game
forest egret
I really don't think they will
also, the 1st trailer has that plaza with all the types and there's no new ones
smoky bison
Fairy was understandable due to Dragon being a bitch for the balancing. Also helped a lot in making poison stronger which was pretty weak
white jungle
I think my standpoint is that I don't want a new type, but I'd like sound moves/Pokémon to be unified in some way as a flat buff to them all
frigid spindle
Just because you have more types, doesn't mean you will have more fun in battles...
Maybe in the competitive aspect of pokemon it would be a whole new problem
But the adventure aspect of pokemon and figuring out new strategies, thats fun.
white jungle
Because realistically there aren't many sound Pokémon which stand out as super powerful
But if they all had boosted sound moves without being normal type, you'd maybe get somewhere
smoky bison
Maybe in the competitive aspect of pokemon it would be a whole new problem
But t...
the adventure part is plenty fleshed out already. A new type won't add anything to that
frigid spindle
the adventure part is plenty fleshed out already. A new type won't add anything ...
Bruh what do you mean it wont add anything 💀
it adds a new type
new moves
new mons
new strats
white jungle
For example, Toxtricity would be a poison/electric sound Pokémon, and would get a boost with sound moves. Sylveon wouldn't get the same boost with hyper voice, because it wouldn't be a sound Pokémon.
It doesn't have to be a type, but it could be a good buff as a designation for certain mons
forest egret
I do like the idea of having "traits" on pokemon and that's kinda what sound-based moves do now, leaning into that aspect would be cooler than making a new type
white jungle
Yeah!
forest egret
But I also don't see it happening
white jungle
And traits would open up more possibilities than a sound type, frankly
Because it could extend to more than just sound
frigid spindle
It doesn't have to be a type, but it could be a good buff as a designation for c...
yeah like a sub-type
Ooh, thats a good idea
sub types.
white jungle
Kinda, I wouldn't necessarily say a sub-type, but more of a sub-stab
white jungle
It wouldn't even necessarily have to be as powerful as STAB, but just a bit of a buff to showcase that these Sound Based Pokémon are particularly good at what they're supposed to be good at
forest egret
We already have the basis of that stuff too, like the ability that makes bite moves stronger, or Iron Fist for punch stuff
frigid spindle
We already have the basis of that stuff too, like the ability that makes bite mo...
I guess so yeah
white jungle
Well yeah, but I think the main buff here would be that this wouldn't apply to an ability
frigid spindle
Well yeah, but I think the main buff here would be that this wouldn't apply to a...
so it's like, 2 abilities.
white jungle
so it's like, 2 abilities.
A passive, if you will.
white jungle
The stuff's there so they could totally expand on it
I mean look no further than a Pokémon like Machamp tbh. I know it has iron fist already but like
This thing punches apart mountains
Or at least it supposedly can
You're telling me it's not gonna get something akin to Stab on a bullet punch?
white jungle
And it's evidently not enough. Most of the Pokémon that would benefit from this idea aren't good. As I said, most sound based Pokémon aren't running around in higher tiers.
But if Noivern got to keep its ability and typing whilst receiving a little boost to its Boomburst, that could be a good buff, especially for something with a decent speed stat
smoky bison
Bruh what do you mean it wont add anything 💀
bruh you have over 1000 Pokemon and 18 or so different types to explore already with a new battle gimmick every generation. A new type won't add shit 💀
uneven badger
I'm getting tired of the cute small grass mon
"I'm tired of 1st stage starters being small and big headed"
white jungle
I wonder if the starters will reflect the games themes?
I mean gen 8 kinda did outside of Rillaboom maybe
Secret agent, footballer
frigid spindle
bruh you have over 1000 Pokemon and 18 or so different types to explore already ...
Did you not read my comment bellow
white jungle
Fits the main theme of the game: Bri'ish
frigid spindle
new mons, new strats, new moves
uneven badger
The theory that starters are animals in extinction
frigid spindle
and you could add the type to already existing mons
uneven badger
And that's why you can't catch them
forest egret
Gen 8's starter theme was British Pop Culture yeah
smoky bison
new mons, new strats, new moves? You can have that without a new typing too
forest egret
Soccer, Spy Films, and Rock Music
frigid spindle
I mean gen 8 kinda did outside of Rillaboom maybe
rillaboom was based on drums, britsh people like metal and rock
alot
frigid spindle
new mons, new strats, new moves? You can have that without a new typing too <:he...
Oh my god
🤣
uneven badger
And that's why you can't catch them
Now it makes more sense
white jungle
I liked how the gen 5 starters represented the game's themes. The ideal Serperior, blessed with a strong ability. Emboar, who showed the truth of another fire/fighting type.
And Samurott.
Referenced in N's famous line "to beat my father we will need to be True, Ideal and Samurott."
white jungle
Honestly though I do prefer when starters have a matching theme. As fucked over as Delphox and Chestnaught are, the JRPG classes theme was pretty cool.
uneven badger
The designs
smoky bison
Oh my god
I think you vastly overestimate the impact of a new type beyond just gameplay creep
But hey - if they add a new typing, I won't stand in your way to enjoy it
forest egret
The gen 5 theme is neat too, I like the warring kingdom aspect
frigid spindle
I think you vastly overestimate the impact of a new type beyond just gameplay cr...
I get that it will impact the whole advantages, disadvantages, comptetitive play; but I feel like its time for another type, especially sound.
forest egret
The gen 9 starters could be anything rn, I hope they do have a theme and aren't just random
uneven badger
I'm not sure about sprigatito being
smoky bison
What will a new type bring to the table that new Pokemon/moves/abilities don't already?
frigid spindle
What will a new type bring to the table that new Pokemon/moves/abilities don't a...
It's a new type. Think about what types in pokemon have done.
uneven badger
But uglier
frigid spindle
It can give older pokemon the sound type; e.g exploud
forest egret
It's a new type. Think about what types in pokemon have done.
New types bought balance to an unbalanced type chart, the current type chart is not unbalanced
uneven badger
Sound type makes sense on spain?
frigid spindle
it can change some normal moves like hyper voice
smoky bison
It's a new type. Think about what types in pokemon have done.
They change the balance. There is currently no type that is so vastly overpowered that it needs a counter
uneven badger
The "sound type" has any logic on there?
white jungle
I think my favourite part about gen 5 is that the police are there but do nothing (which isn't necessarily unusual for Pokémon, but two things make it particularly apparent that, for one reason or another, the police just aren't a big thing in Unova?)
For one, the only one who does anything is Looker, who works with you, the champion to apprehend the seven sages. Meaning they literally had to CALL IN SOMEONE ELSE to get any police work done.
And also in place of the police, the gen 5 gym leaders are more willing to fucking throw down with the villains than any other gym leaders in any games. This all leads to the impression that the police we see around Unova are fucking useless and the gym leaders have formed some sort of Vigilante group in absence of their help.
The Justice League of Unova
frigid spindle
Sound type makes sense on spain?
The iberian peninsuala are heavy on music festivals
and I said before, there was music playing in the background of the legendary reveal. not background music, their own music.
seemed like forshadowing
or just drmatic effect
smoky bison
There was music playing, sound type confirmed?
uneven badger
The iberian peninsuala are heavy on music festivals
and I said before, there was...
Que
white jungle
Sound type, brought to you by Toby Fox
uneven badger
Toby fox is sound type
frigid spindle
There was music playing, sound type confirmed? <:heehee:945800365457149992>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ruBLEEqw_c skip to 2:20
theres music on the lgendaries
uneven badger
Eternatus eternamax is just the representation of toby fox bc the legendary are dogs
frigid spindle
You can hear drums and techno music
uneven badger
And eternatus eternamax has like more than 1000 bst
forest egret
That's just the music playing in the background, again SwSh's trailer did this too with regal-sounding music, and the wolves had their own in-game motif, as most legendaries do, it doesn't mean anything that theere's music
frigid spindle
That's just the music playing in the background, again SwSh's trailer did this t...
no but you can hear the three different musics, right?
smoky bison
Could just as well say there is going to be a new crystal-type because of the weird out-of-nowhere scene at the very end with the Pokeball
frigid spindle
Theres the cinematic music
forest egret
Those are instruments
frigid spindle
then the drums for kiraidon