pokemon-winds-waves

[knotty path]

ok and?

any mon can be appealing

lol

[white jungle]

I mean it basically is the whole point. Cool factor comes before anything else, because the stats are completely irrelevant to the Pokémon creation itself aside from maybe "this guy should be Chumby cuz he's defensive"

[knotty path]

we dont need more eeveelutions for appeal

[flint sequoia]

Pokemon legacy evolutions are designed to either upgrade on a design/concept (half of gen4 to gen2), or highlight a new feature (new types, physical/special split)

[rare cloak]

But we do

Lol

[knotty path]

But we dont

????

[rare cloak]

But we do

[knotty path]

ok

[rare cloak]

Why would we not want more cool/cute pokemon

[knotty path]

but wahhh my crudely drawn steel type eeveelution

[modest jasper]

what about new cool/cute pokemon

[knotty path]

why no 18 evolutions???

:((((

[modest jasper]

rather than reusing the same thing over and over again

[rare cloak]

I don't see anyone in here complaining about charizard 😐

[knotty path]

you must live under a rock

Charizard is universally loved for being cool and hated for being shoved down everybody's throats lmao

[rare cloak]

Yeah that's precisely why I said that

[modest jasper]

what the heck

[knotty path]

wOw UnDefEAteD ChAMpiOn lEoN aNd hIs UndEfEAteD ChARiZarD!

[modest jasper]

you are being ironic right

[rare cloak]

If your going to get mad for a pokemon getting milked for new forms

[white jungle]

I'm very conflicted. One of you is arguably overly hostile over the opinion that more eeveelutions should exist, and judging by the bio, the other is kinda transphobic.

Like I said, I am almost entirely neutral on eevee

[rare cloak]

Than stop loving charizard lmao

[white jungle]

It's a dog

I'm probably not gonna give up a spot on a team for a dog which only evolves once

(especially when I could fill that spot with Stoutland if I want a dog)

[rare cloak]

So apparently my bio relates to this chat

[knotty path]

valid, it's just a thing I see brought up constantly because "gasp eevee so cool why doesn't it get an <x> type evolution??" and its just worn me out 😔

[white jungle]

It is a feature on discord that we can view yes

[rare cloak]

It doesn't relate to pokemon

[knotty path]

like 8 options isn't enough for people fsr

[rare cloak]

Lmao

[knotty path]

they need MoRe

[rare cloak]

You changed the subject purely to get everyone to dislike me over a false statement

[white jungle]

No I get why you're tired of that sort of stuff, it's an understandable viewpoint

[rare cloak]

That's the only point of you even bringing up my bio

[white jungle]

It was actually a throwaway comment, you're the one who keeps talking about it

I don't know you from a hole in the ground.

[rare cloak]

There was no point in bringing it up other than to be a jerk

[knotty path]

Anyways I can't wait for Mega Super Gigantamax Ultra Complete Charizard Form Z

[rare cloak]

You just randomly said 'hey guys this dudes bio is transphobic have fun talking about it'

[white jungle]

Don't advertise opinions like that in the section of your profile which is essentially a Get To Know You paragraph then? You didn't seriously type that and think "no one will ever dislike me for this"

I don't like you, but that doesn't effect the Eevee situation

It is a bit of an overhyped Pokémon

[rare cloak]

You shouldn't dislike me for it based off of my own opinions, but yeah I expected a hell of a lot idiots like you to bring it up and say I'm transphobic

[white jungle]

Counterpoint:

[rare cloak]

Just don't talk to me if you don't like one of my major opinions

[white jungle]

Eeveez nuts in your mouth

[rare cloak]

Precisely why I'm blocking you - I dislike people who change the subject so blatantly

[white jungle]

I'm not interested in debating your wrong opinion, I'm interested in talking about your opinion which doesn't matter to me, that Eevee deserves another form

[rare cloak]

An opinion can't be wrong btw.

Look up how an opinion works

[white jungle]

I thought you were gonna block me?

[rare cloak]

Who says you aren't blocked?

[white jungle]

Well that's a tad sad isn't it? Block someone but not actually make good on it by pretending they don't exist?

Here, I'll show you how to do it

[modest jasper]

this convo derailed rather quickly :sip:

[rare cloak]

Lmao

I mean tf did you expect we were talking about eevee and he brought up transphobia

[white jungle]

Honestly I didn't think pointing out something which was publicly displayed would be this big a Thing. That's like getting mad over someone's opinion of your pfp

That being said if anyone hates my Herdier pfp I will find them.

[echo dawn]

Herdier is a funny dog with a mustache

[modest jasper]

oh people did

[rare cloak]

I'm mad because your purposefully being a jerk and changing the subject just to be a jerk

[modest jasper]

in fact my non april fools pfp caused like

5 people to go mad

[echo dawn]

Did we see a lilipup in the SV trailer?

[modest jasper]

it was funni

[rare cloak]

Jesus christ I hate people like you

[white jungle]

I actually didn't I don't think! But regardless I am excited about that

[knotty path]

mustache dog bad

[white jungle]

I warned you, prepare yourself

I'm about to blow you up with my brain.

[knotty path]

oh shit

I-I mean mustache doggo best doggo, better than Stoutland-

[modest jasper]

public exection lets goo

[echo dawn]

holy shit
homocide!

[white jungle]

I'm a little rusty so this might take a while

Please stay still

[knotty path]

I have a cat on my lap, you wouldn't make my cat sad now would you?

[echo dawn]

Battle of the titans

[white jungle]

You can't trick me

Cats aren't saddened by death, they're excited by rapidly available food

Though I would suggest putting it down, it will be in The Splash Zone

[knotty path]

but I'm currently acting as her bed though, she'd be angy if her bed was suddenly less comfy

[echo dawn]

The Splash Zone™️

[white jungle]

Human mush is comfy

Imagine lying in meatloaf

[knotty path]

sounds uncomfy

[white jungle]

Nice warm meatloaf

[white jungle]

That's what I call my bed

Sometimes I pee.

[knotty path]

You know what would be a pog move for Scarlet/Violet?

if Eevee wasn't even in the game

think about it, it takes up 9 wholeass dex entries

[echo dawn]

Epic moment:
Only eevee no eeveelutions

[knotty path]

you could have three 3-mon evolution lines instead

or 4 2-mon evo lines and a standalone

What would you rather have: Eevee, or Larvitar and Lillipup and Shinx lines?

[modest jasper]

remove larvitar

and we have a deal

[knotty path]

fair

hmm what about like... Spheal

round bab

[modest jasper]

[white jungle]

Mmmmm

[modest jasper]

the good stuff

[white jungle]

Nah, I respect the Tyranitar line quite a lot actually

It's always felt like the ugly little brother to Garchomp and Salamence

Poor weird rock type

Not quite bad, not quite good

[knotty path]

he's a funky lil dude but I like im

[modest jasper]

wut

ttar is a cancerous staple

on every sand team

every since sand waas a thing

[flint sequoia]

It's honestly not overly good anymore, typing is trash but it has great bull with no recovery

[knotty path]

Hmm we did see a sandy area in the trailer didn't we?

with the uh

weird ass gen 8 rock thing

stonehenge guy

[white jungle]

Yeah on a team designed for sand and buffing rock types

[echo dawn]

Spiky rock lad

[flint sequoia]

Stonjourner

[echo dawn]

Stonejourner

[knotty path]

yeah that weirdo

[echo dawn]

Yeah that

[white jungle]

Dont get me wrong, I wish sand teams were better

[modest jasper]

i dont

[knotty path]

the one with funny minmaxed stats

[modest jasper]

hail should be buffed

[echo dawn]

Massive thighs

[white jungle]

I want to be able to use sand rush Stoutland without looking like a joke...

[flint sequoia]

Hippowdon is a better sand setter, most sand teams use both

[knotty path]

he

so maybe we'll get a sand setter there

[echo dawn]

LAD

[knotty path]

but I hope its Hippo tbh

[echo dawn]

A few in the back too

[knotty path]

fat sand hippo is funny

[echo dawn]

Also rock texture on Stonjourner too

[modest jasper]

if that thing gets sand stream

that would be cool

[white jungle]

I really hope the Legends Arceus system of catching Pokémon stays...

[knotty path]

god rewatching these they really need to work on their environment textures

[flint sequoia]

I love abilites that only work in doubles

[modest jasper]

a useless and unoriginal pokemon would remove its useless bit

[knotty path]

this still feels like, PS2 af

[white jungle]

I don't wanna enter battles to catch Pokémon

[echo dawn]

Hopefully we see some more interesting abilities in this game

Or abilities at all

[white jungle]

If we must then like... Maybe have us battle to catch pseudos and legendaries

Legends Catching felt good, it feels dumb to ditch that

[flint sequoia]

Legends catching > let's go catching

[white jungle]

In main series games I usually catch like 20 Pokémon in a playthrough max?

I get the ones I want, some legendaries, then the system gets boring

[echo dawn]

Exactly how it feels

[knotty path]

I liked Legends catching mechanics too ngl

[flint sequoia]

I honestly didn't mind the removal of abilites in LA because the focus wasn't on battling

Which surprised me

[echo dawn]

Yeah

[knotty path]

the battle system was really different and interesting, I don't think it'll stick around for the long term but it was kinda refreshing

[echo dawn]

Just realized im still nicked as BTA

[knotty path]

the higher damage outputs and faster-paced fights were p neat

[echo dawn]

[modest jasper]

i would be happy with it

if fucking regigigas didnt have slow start

hard coded onto it

[knotty path]

that was very stupid

[flint sequoia]

Time for Shedinja with no wonder guard

[echo dawn]

It was refreshing but hopefully we get some more push on the battle front now that catching mechanics are epic

[flint sequoia]

Did anyone ever use the cake lures?

[white jungle]

I enjoyed legends not having abilities

Don't get me wrong, I missed them

But ever since I got even the slightest bit strategic, I hate using anything that has the wrong ability

Which basically prevents me from having any Pokémon that has a good hidden ability in casual play

[knotty path]

I use the cakes occasionally, since they're better than berries

depends on the mon though

usually I just run in and chuck balls like a madman lmao

[white jungle]

Like do I wanna use Scolipede in a playthrough? Absolutely

Do I want to wait till I can get a speed boost one?

:/

[echo dawn]

I think abilities should be reworked some honestly

[knotty path]

that'sx what drew me to romhacks ngl

[echo dawn]

It’s neat and all, but needs an overhaul like catching did

[flint sequoia]

I hate how hard it is to get hidden abilites in playthroughs

[modest jasper]

thats why a hidden ability changer should be around the midgame :polite:

[knotty path]

hacks like Inclement Emerald or Radical Red where you can change mons natures, ivs and abilities, even to HA, just make it funner to me

its like "well this mon is ass for now but later on it can become a beast ayy"

[flint sequoia]

Or just have something like Sword/Shields lucky pokemon, but they have hidden abilities instead of dropping 10 watts

[white jungle]

Absolutely they should be. Abilities aren't a luxury, they're a big part of a lot of older player's enjoyment. They shouldn't be such a chore to get.

It's the same way HM's ruined team composition but on a smaller scale

The HM slave can't pull all the wait, so eventually some unlucky bastard gets Fly

And then you've lost a good move spot

[flint sequoia]

I sure do love HMs

[white jungle]

I'm just lucky I always chose the water starter

[flint sequoia]

I love using rock smash

[white jungle]

Always had someone to dump surf on

[knotty path]

if they simply made

[flint sequoia]

I love mandating a water type

[knotty path]

it so that HM's could be overwritten,,,

ig opens the possibilities for softlocks by idiots and smol children

but like

[white jungle]

Actually a big thing in Scarlet and Violet I need:

[flint sequoia]

But you still have the HM

Teach it back

[knotty path]

but if you release the mons that can learn the HM

[white jungle]

All TM's/HM moves back (not HM functionality though)

[knotty path]

then you're fucked

[flint sequoia]

That still applies

[white jungle]

There was no reason to cut MOVES from the game?mmm

[knotty path]

since HM's also had a fuction of not being releasable if they know an HM

at least from your party

they also weren't tradeable iirc

[white jungle]

What the hell HAPPENED for Gamefreak to be like

[flint sequoia]

Yes there was, who the hell uses barrage

[white jungle]

"you know what is gonna break the game? Return."

[flint sequoia]

But Hidden Power? No.

[flint sequoia]

Don't worry, we made Mega Punch and Mega Kick TMs to fix it

[white jungle]

Don't speak of them.

[flint sequoia]

What good moves.

I love how we still don't have a 100% accurate physical rock move

[white jungle]

I mean I don't wanna go back to the Stoutland line, but I played through Volt White 2 and they proved how good Return is as a move. It lost its potential later on (because hey maybe Stoutland isn't /great/) but early to mid game, most things went down in one hit

[echo dawn]

What if you could release pokemon and get an item corresponding to the ability it had, and you can use it on a pokemon to switch their ability to it if it has that ability naturally

[flint sequoia]

That's a lot of new items

[echo dawn]

So it incentives catching pokemon, and allows you to keep em

[white jungle]

I don't think the ability specific thing makes much sense, but I get your angle

If they keep the Arceus catching, ability pills can be a Big Release reward, akin to Grit Stones

[flint sequoia]

You know what they could do? Just renove hidden abilities but make all Pokemon have 3 regular ability slots

[white jungle]

I'd much rather that but it's not likely

I hope Hisuian Samurott is good brought to a main line battle system

I pray to Arceus that it doesn't have fucking shell armour as an ability again

If anything, flip the script

Have it's hidden ability boost crit chance or something

Jagged Armour or that sort of thing

Basically please Nintendo please make gen 5 Pokémon stronger PLEASE Nintendo I'm BEGGING ON MY KNEES HERE

You had a great pseudo legendary and then you added FAIRY

[modest jasper]

good

hydra being dead is my living dream

[white jungle]

Haxorus could have been dragon/steel and also pseudo legendary to balance it out but NOOOOO

[white jungle]

Honestly I love Hydreigon but it's concept sounds like it might have been cooler and less infuriating

Tank-based Hydra would have been cool as hell

But then they had a WHOLE ISLAND AREA DEDICATED TO AXEW IN SWORD AND SHIELD, JUST TO HAVE HAXORUS SPAWN THERE, IN A GENERATION BASED AROUND WEAPONRY

Did it get a regional form? HELL NO

An obvious regional would be Dragon/Steel but I like the idea of a Dragon/Bug type Haxorus

[knotty path]

I adore Hydreigon

[white jungle]

I talk about how much I love megas, but even that is a classic example of early gen favouritism

Oh yaaaay, two first gen Pokémon got two megas...

Gen 5 got mega-

Audino???

Which isn't the worst option but it kind of is when it's the only one

[late tendon]

I really like all of them but Kantonian (I don't dislike it, just don't care that much.) Because not all mons need cOoL dEsIgN. So it's ok if they make one more form, people who like the idea would, well, like it, and it won't hurt people who don't like them

[white jungle]

For some reason the box legendaries for Gen 6 never got mega evolutions

Which power wise makes sense

But feels weird as hell

Neither did the gen 6 starters, for that matter

Then the gen 3 starters did

That being said, the only early gen starters that get too much favouritism are gen 1 in my opinion

Because damn we only JUST got Hisuian Typhlosion

Emphasis on Just

Because only Typhlosion made the cut

[echo dawn]

The gen 6 starters not even getting megas aways confused me

[white jungle]

It's not even like it wouldn't make sense for their concepts

They're based on roleplaying game classes

Why would they not have megas based on an end-game Tank, Wizard and Rogue?

Instead they just chose to make Greninja the objectively correct but as a result kinda lame choice

[flint sequoia]

Ash Greninja is kind of like a mega, but that's because of the anime

[rare cloak]

yeah but like

ash greninja wasnt even in the x and y games

'oh hey we got this really cool new form for this kalos starter'

'but you can only get it in alola'

[modest jasper]

If ash gren exists
where is Serena Delphox
or Clemont Chesty

[vestal aurora]

They don't have bond evos

Like greninja did

No idea why could cool af

[rare cloak]

cause greninja is the only cool starter lmao

delphox is the worst final evo

and chesnaught is kinda cool

but not as cool as like 3/4 of all the starters

[vestal aurora]

I like delphox more than greninja

[knotty path]

same

it grew on me in a romhack playthrough I did

funnily enough that romhack had protean froakie available from the get go and I still didn't end up liking it lol

it just kinda,,, disappointed me, in the longrun

meanwhile they gave Delphox shit like aura sphere, thunderbolt and nasty plot, and Magic Guard, and that thing absolutely slapped

[icy forge]

At first Chesnaugth was the ugliest starter of all for me but after choosing it in Pokemon Y it grew on me

Still I dont like he is bald 😅

[modest jasper]

Chesty is my gen6 boi

[echo dawn]

Delphox is way cooler to me

Fire mage

And also a fox

[modest jasper]

I prefer it's pre Evo over it but it's understandable

[white jungle]

Speaking of Delphox

Fuck Pokenn Tournament for having Braixen instead

I hate that weak shit where the company itself obviously favours a prevo design more

It got boring with Pikachu and that was literally the first one you did it with

There's nothing wrong with liking or even preferring a pre-evolution

But in games like Pokenn and Unite, they should always reach or be AT their final form

It's an unreasonable thing to be mad about but fuck it because I am

[flint sequoia]

It's the same with jigglypuff and croagunk, they were more prevalent in the anime than their evolutions

[white jungle]

In the anime I don't care so much I suppose but I think my issue is like

They wouldn't DREAM of just slapping Gabite in a game

So why just have Braixen?

I don't like having prevos jammed into Pokenn or similar games amongst full grown pseudo legendaries for the sake of marketability

Especially since it's not even anything in particular special?

Like if they put Croagunk but not Toxicroak in I'd be like wtf

But if they were like BROCK'S CROAGUNK

Then I'd be hype because Brock's Croagunk is proven to be hot shit

[patent rivet]

I do like it not all being fully evolved Pokémon in some cases

And besides, Pikachu is typically always playable and he’s extremely weak in mainline games

[flint sequoia]

Thats because Pikachu is literally the mascot of the franchise

[white jungle]

I can only justify that because he's typically a glass canon and that's exactly what electro ball makes him in the main line games

[flint sequoia]

You should never run electro ball over thunderbolt

[white jungle]

I meant light ball sorry

Like the held item

[frigid spindle]

Hey guys, gamefreak's graphic designs have improved!!

April fools

[fickle birch]

Same here, it adds more variety in terms of character shapes and sizes when you throw some unevolved Pokémon in there. 😃

If only Pokkén had more quadrupeds, amorphous Pokémon and insects. 😢

[white jungle]

I'd at least like it to be prevos that make sense

Like if they had a speedy Scyther it would make a lot of sense

Or a tanky Dusclops

[patent rivet]

That’s why I like Ivysaur in Smash, he’s the only quadruped besides the Duck Hunt dog

[fickle birch]

@patent rivet What did you think of your debut on the silver screen? 😄

Thought this was #spriter-general, ping me there to reply.

[uneven badger]

This is from pokemon iberia

And pokemon iberia is based on Spain

[white jungle]

Jesus fucking Christ

[echo dawn]

a h

[icy forge]

A gypsy Alakazam

I must say that Iberia is a Fangame ambiented in Spain, but in a very parodical one

[uneven badger]

Legendary trio

[rocky halo]

I would expect to see that alakazam edit on a shirt or something

[uneven badger]

I'm pretty sure we are going to get a new pokemon teaser soon

In like 2-3 weeks i think

[icy forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokeLeaks/comments/twgf0i/postcode_number_possible_legendary_pseudo/

[meager oasis]

sprig

This art looks so good

[uneven badger]

If Nintendo adds this

As the regional dog

They're assuming Spain is Mexico

And then they complain when people call them Chinese instead of Japanese

[placid bridge]

at least that's on the same continent

[uneven badger]

Which one

[placid bridge]

.....

wow

[uneven badger]

What

I didn't understand

[placid bridge]

spain and mexico are on a different continent

china and japan are not, theyre on the same

[uneven badger]

A

[modest jasper]

"they both speak Spanish, same thing tbh"

[uneven badger]

In an supposed leak they said that the regional dog is a chihuahua

[modest jasper]

want some pizza then

[white jungle]

So you're mad at a leak

And your response to that

Is calling out all Japanese people

For not liking racism??

[lament glen]

who is gonna tell him about the indian elephant in the england region?

[white jungle]

Or that America HAS NO PYRAMIDS

Like obviously a fucking dog leak isn't comparable to calling Japanese people Chinese what are you smoking?

Wild, man

Ludicolo has a sombrero

[jagged yoke]

Yeah game freak likes to take liberties with that sort of thing

They do too much research imo to purposely assume chihuahua = Spanish rather than them just taking liberties

[white jungle]

UNOVA HAS A MEDIEVAL EUROPEAN PAST???

And like

A Scottish terrier

If we're talking dogs specifically

Pokémon can be criticised for a lot, and I'm not saying all their inspiration is implemented well or anything

But they do know vaguely where animals are

[opal gull]

unova was presented as more "the west" instead of us with stuff drawing from europe and north america

wish tehy had been more focused but alas

[vestal aurora]

i'd just like a normal/water doggo for this region based on the portuguese water dog

with the final form being water/fairy or something

[uneven badger]

Water dogs are literally Spanish and Portuguese

[vestal aurora]

but i want the portuguese one

[uneven badger]

What

[knotty path]

Portuguese water dog would be really cool

[icy forge]

A Regional Furfrou could be a cool idea

[white jungle]

They should re-introduce that furfrou variant that everyone puts as a request on GTS because it's impossible to get

Then watch as people catch it and start getting free shiny legendaries and shit

[icy forge]

Lol

I have no idea

[frigid spindle]

I think a evo of jynx could fit in the game

With the umm spanish castanets

like a flamenco dancer

That would be cool

Or maybe a regional variant of a cactus pokemon

[patent rivet]

I’m guessing Oricorio will be in the game in flamenco form

[frigid spindle]

Oh yeah

That would make sense

[barren bridge]

Bellossom being in Sun and Moon would have “made sense.”

[knotty path]

So would Solrock and Lunatone and yet here we are

[frigid spindle]

Yes it would

[vestal aurora]

at least they were obtainable via transfer

[patent rivet]

National dex erasure should never be excused

[white jungle]

I'm still adamant sword and shield could have had every Pokémon from the get go

I can understand Scarlet and Violet not

But Sword and Shield isn't good enough for that to make sense

[lapis linden]

we were above 800 for SwSh can't say blame em for trying to shrink the dex lol

[flint sequoia]

The dex cut was fine if they actually made a good game

[modest jasper]

and/or if they removed the toxic pokes
like blissey line and ttar

but they didn't do either of those

[white jungle]

Would have been fine if they cut Charizard

Just Charizard.

What good is it without its megas anyway? Some lame special attacker?

Air slash!!

Get a Togekiss.

[modest jasper]

sweet old paraflinch

[flint sequoia]

Having the ace of the gen8 champion be... Charizard.... is one of the worst decisions game freak has made

[white jungle]

Frankly XY wasn't much better but at least that was mega Gardevoir

Stop giving new champions old ass Pokémon as their aces

[modest jasper]

at least diantha has style

and doesn't annoy you with "I'm the best trainer" every single time you meet her

[flint sequoia]

Gardevoir is fine imo since it became the new fairy type and got a mega

[patent rivet]

It was just weird that Diancie was the only gen 6 Pokémon to get a mega, and it was only in ORAS

[meager oasis]

"ironic. kalos could make other pokemon mega evolve, but not itself"

[fickle birch]

All of their data was ported over, just not optimised. If they didn't change the numbers of returning TMs and such, would have made their work a lot easier than it was. 😅

[flint sequoia]

Numbers were changed because of TRs

[fickle birch]

That's not a valid reason for why Protect couldn't stay as TM17 for example, moving it to TM07 was arbitrary. 😛

[white jungle]

Coulda just been

TM17

TR17

Surely

[modest jasper]

TRs are dumb anyway

why reimplement pre gen5 TMs

[white jungle]

I'd much rather just have all moves be available as TMs

Outside of maybe the semi-exclusive stuff

Like

Gamefreak wants you to spend time making your team good, crafting it to perfection

[modest jasper]

said semi exclusive stuff could be a move tutor kek

[white jungle]

And they don't want to streamline it at all

[fickle birch]

Let's be honest, they did it to give us a reason to bother doing raids more than once. 😦

[modest jasper]

yet they made raids and the game incredibly easy

[fickle birch]

"These moves you like are now locked behind this feature, enjoy". 😢

[white jungle]

Well honestly I don't mind TRs that much for the sheer fact you can actually get the moves you want

I'd just RATHER they were re-usable TMs

[fickle birch]

I agree. I also hate how they barely ever include move tutors in the first titles of a generation. 😦

[white jungle]

Moves should just be re-usable TMs with the rarer or most powerful ones given to tutors

That would be so simple and fine

And frankly event exclusive moves should be available from tutors as well

Legendary events suck. They've always sucked, but they especially suck now

Just, like...

Let us teach shift gear to Genesect, why is that an event thing?

God forbid mortal people who have lives get a boost to attack as well as speed

And you can be all

"but what about making event Pokémon unique and collectible!!"

Just make them look different ffs

They do it with Pikachu and it's stupid caps

Just add more colour palettes

Or like some extra markings

Put it this way

Would you want an event Pokémon which is like

Shiny Zekrom

With the move Fart Tunnel which it can't usually learn

Or would you want crystal onix

Because I know what I'd prefer

Hell, do something fun like uhhh

Lapras

It has it's whole bred out of endangerment thing

Make a lapras that looks a little different, make it an exclusive event

But have that different appearance transfer through breeding

And see how far the Pokémon community spreads them from an original set of like 50 or something

[lament glen]

Event Pokemon are cringe in general

[white jungle]

They're fucking annoying

[fickle birch]

Any events that aren't done online are stupid and outdated. 😦

In fact if anything, in-person events are worse for the kids who the games are aimed at, because they can't freely walk around a city and go to their nearest game store on a whim. 😅

[white jungle]

They're completely city-kid focused too

[white jungle]

I wonder if fishing will have a more involved system

Or if we'll just have to dive straight in like PLA

[late tendon]

If anyone's intereated in leaks, Riddler who leaked almost everything from Legends Arceus and another dude who was first to leak Eternatus has some interesting stuff, watch from ~4:30 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8pKC2ZMWJE

[wanton idol]

lol i hope that soon they reveal some more pokemon

but prolly not anytime this month

[knotty path]

They usually don't drop more info until e3 but that was canceled so

[wanton idol]

i just want to sprite more shit for smogon lmfao

[echo dawn]

Still haven’t gotten back from the lord himself

[echo dawn]

I just hope for new UBs, they don’t deserve to be locked away in Hawaii

[lapis linden]

UBs have cool designs ngl

[lament glen]

I absolutely love some of them, but I also really dislike some of them, as I think that those ones do a really bad job at being alien creatures. Looking at you, buff bug dude

[lapis linden]

Fair, but i think they were making them "alien" just by making them unpokemon like

[white jungle]

I'm sorry but your opinion is simply false

I know people have an issue with them but I don't think there's a single humanoid Pokémon I don't like

I just find it so fucking funny to have like

A big dragon, a majestic fish, an alien

And then a whole fucking man

Just a burly dude

Plus seeing how Buzzwole moves in the anime instantly makes me appreciate its design

[lament glen]

Don't get me wrong, its a decent and funny design. But it just has 0% to do with being an alien from a different dimension where nothing is like it is in our world

Nihilego did it really good. So did the christmas tree and the head explode guy. Not having faces especially helps in giving them the "other worldly" vibes. But Buzzwhole and the long leg bug are just regular pokemon

[white jungle]

I think Buzzwole looks alien enough because it's like it's full of some weird plasma energy

It's like a mosquito gorged on laser beams

But Pheremosa kinda just looks like she'd be Lusamine's ace Pokémon

[lament glen]

The 2nd lusamine fight in regular sun and moon is really dissapointing. The fact that she doesnt use nihilego there is really stupid and lame

[late tendon]

I half like half meh Ultra Beasts

[white jungle]

The 2nd lusamine fight in regular sun and moon is really dissapointing. The fact that she doesnt use nihilego there is really stupid and lame george

[late tendon]

The designs are cool but the usage is boring

They all have the same ability

And this ability is a pretty drastic part of their build so you have to count it every time and it gets too repetitive

For me personally

[white jungle]

Beast boost is weird because does it imply that like

Every Pokémon in this alternate universe has beast boost

Or are we just super unlucky with the ones that come across?

[late tendon]

I mean, there are also regular mons in ultra wormholes

Maybe UBs are some perfect life forms of their respective worlds and that's the reason they have beast boost, idk

[white jungle]

See that annoys me

Because the cool part about ultra Beasts is thinking that they're just normal Pokémon where they're from

I don't like it when Game Freak jams random normal Pokémon into a new and interesting concept like that

[late tendon]

I can see that, tho I don't have anything against it

[white jungle]

I think if they didn't want to fill every one of them with ultrabeasts

They should have made it like

Alternate Pokémon

[late tendon]

Eh, I personally find it too much

[white jungle]

I guess realistically the wormholes don't all go to the same place

I mean we know other alternate timelines exist

Such as original Hoenn

[late tendon]

I wanna care about the main game more than about some random alternate worlds

That's my point of view

And I care much more about the main game Ultra Wormhole worlds is just a secondary gimmick

[white jungle]

Well if that's the case they shouldn't keep alluding to wormholes and a multiverse without further exploring it

Frankly I think that's the natural progression here

Starting from gen 6 with ORAS

[lament glen]

I actually think sun and moon (not including ultra) are the only good mainline 3d pokemon games

[white jungle]

Scarlet and Violet may further explore the wormhole stuff because tbh the stone/gem in the Japanese titles kinda reminds me of the space rift stuff we saw in PLA

[lament glen]

True, but at least that ability does different things for each one. I actually like that concept

[white jungle]

I just found them exhausting to the point that I didn't finish USUM

Which is a shame because I know the plot has multiverse stuff and I am interested

But the gameplay itself really drained me

That tutorial section is too long to justify doing it twice

[lament glen]

yeah, very fair

Its kinda funny to see how much these games suffer from not having a simple skip cutscene button

[white jungle]

I kinda liked the starters

Even Incineroar grew on me

But to be fair I did just say I love humanoid Pokémon

Even the ones that look like fursuits

[lament glen]

I still need to figure out which one is the worst pokemon to me. Incineroar or Cinderrace

[white jungle]

Frankly that adds to the joy of them for me

I must honour N by enjoying all the anthropomorphic animals

[lament glen]

Why N?

[white jungle]

Because N's a furry

[lament glen]

🤨

[white jungle]

And as always because of the stigma surrounding them I have to re-iterate

Have absolutely nothing against furries, love N, one of my favourite characters

He just is one.

[lament glen]

Fair enough

🤝

[white jungle]

He has a dark type wolf fursona and everything

And he talks to animals

[lament glen]

And a klingklang

[white jungle]

What is it with awkward green haired rivals

There's two

Which isn't a lot

But it's weird it happened twice

[lament glen]

Is Wally the other one?

[white jungle]

N talks too fast and Wally is...

Wally's...

Well

We know about Wally.

[modest jasper]

wally has a very nice small arc

• mega gallade is also very nice, just a shame it doesn't have an actual ability

[white jungle]

He's also very sickly

He's like a little Victorian boy

[lament glen]

That Wally fight in ORAS was unespectedly sick in ORAS. And zinnias battle theme is the best one in all of pokemon

Oras is kinda meh to play imo, but it does have some great moments whenever the developers said "fuck the source material, lets just do something cool"

Imagine they said that in poopy pearl too 🥲

[white jungle]

It's all my favourite games left to be revisited now

Heart gold/Soul silver are next

Then BW

[lament glen]

Time to ruin the last good games left untained 😎

[white jungle]

BDSP doesn't seem awful it's just kinda wasted potential

I think it was more a remake for the people that wanted a remake specifically

When realistically those people wanted something like ORAS,

But that effort was put into PLA

I'd personally rather they just put all their eggs in one basket

[lament glen]

You know, gamefreak could make decent games. But instead they have to make 3 games at the same time because appearently there is a need for 2 open world pokemon games within 12 months of each other

[white jungle]

PLA is a good game with concepts that could be made into a great game, which is hopefully how Scarlet and Violet will go

But it is horribly overdefended

I get that the genwunners taint any good criticism but it's not unfair to say that the graphics are bad

Especially since Pokémon and bad graphics has been an issue since the 3D transition

[lament glen]

The graphics are terrible. That's the problem. They could have looked decent

[white jungle]

Not Gen 6 necessarily, but then the next games also looked like gen 6, and the next, with only very minor improvements

[late tendon]

"N is a furry"

I think we all kinda are for loving pokemen

[modest jasper]

oh no

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/939005079577567292.gif

[late tendon]

Don't tell nofurryandomegamartisnice

But anyways, I'm curious what the theme will be behind SV

By theme I mean space-time in Sinnoh, Pokemon freedom in Unova, life and death in Kalos, all that stuff

[lament glen]

only one way to find out

1 sec

got it

The first word was AIDS, which would have been even funnier, but I accidentaly klicked it away instantly

[white jungle]

You're right, and you should say it.

[little whale]

I mean...yes

[ruby light]

https://tenor.com/view/fuecoco-pokemon-gif-25014912

croc is love
croc is life
all shall hail Fuecoco

[wanton idol]

dm him on discord already lmfao

[echo dawn]

He also hasn’t accepted the thing

Starting to think he went through a spring hibernation

[ruby light]

no gender specific lines plz Scarlet/Violet

thank

[forest egret]

There's other pokemon I feel like this chart could've picked that would've been better examples

[modest jasper]

I won't buy the game either way
but yes it's not the best example

[ruby light]

tru but I was looking at Tauros so Tauros & Miltank

either way, no thanks

[ruby light]

lol

[modest jasper]

tha hell happened with Tauros head

[ruby light]

xD

centaur happened

[white jungle]

I wouldn't mind Tauros and Miltank being two separate Pokémon based on gender if they looked somewhat alike, and maybe shared a common pre-evolution

I mean cows and bulls are quite different in real life

But Miltank is very humanoid

[lament glen]

Okay, now I'm genuenly curious why this is a dealbreaker? 👀

[ruby light]

idk I'm just tired of it
been done like 10 times by now

plus if they are redoing that trope, there's gonna be all humanoid starters and a rodent/bird along with a rock type for caves

eyeroll

[lament glen]

I mean, I get that you are tired of them releasing the same game for the 9th time.

But I just dont get why gender specific mons specifially are the dealbreaker here. Or thats at least what you made it look like at first, but now it sounds like you are just also growing out of the franchise, so 🤷‍♂️

[opal gull]

oras was a letdown for me in some key areas imo

[white jungle]

Tbh I do NOT remember it well enough to swing one way or the other

But I never played the original Ruby/Sapphire/Emerald

[opal gull]

it lacked alotta the difficulty, it gave you mega latis waaay to early,it forcibly warped you back to place so you didnt get to explore the map as intended finding new shortcuts and repassing through areas you have new tools for, it lacked frontier in a very insulting manner, it just handed you a bunch of legendaries in sky without any dungeon or exploration or anything and kinda started that repeating pattern

and a lotta the megas didnt really build upon the aspects that made people liked the base forms, particularly the starters

some had useless abilities even with typings that were getting to be very redundant among megas like gallade

and ray not needing a mega stone as well as primals not using up your mega slot was just stupid design mechanically

[modest jasper]

are you ok there

with how you typing

[opal gull]

mega sharpedo and camerupt having a lot larger gap vs othermegas than base forms did of other pokemon hurt team aqua and magma leaders meaningfulness and there only being one for each team (aqua ands magma) made it so they couldn't have other admins have different bosses like crawdaunt as much, and lack of mega flygon over artist block was kinda annoying to hear when there are a lotta potentital directions to go with it.

some stuff was hurt by seeming not thinking ahead in which stuff got megas before and types were given, zygarde and garchomp meant flygon prob couldnt be just the dragong round guy, gyarados being water dark mega (shoulda jut been dragon) hurt sharpedos uniqueness

[fickle birch]

I agree with this bit, less so some of the Mega stuff. ORAS was the beginning of them making dungeons linear (like Granite cave turning from a dungeon into a literal straight line), the Eon Duo were obviously much too OP for mid-game, especially with Megas, and the warping - though I think some instances were optional - removed that exploration element. The Battle Frontier is an obvious example too, with the 'under construction' thing being unacceptable. 😦

I like ORAS, I deem them fine, but they're definitely where the negative trends we see now started. 😢

[opal gull]

the oras interview is definitely insulting

kid and their pohone these day stuff, at a time when pokemon ceo expected switch to fail cause of phones

[fickle birch]

Yeah that's an infamous interview for a reason, such a patronising comment. 😦

[patent rivet]

Someone is still salty at Whitney

[ruby light]

Oh I adore pokemon, and all the fan games
but they actually try to make something new

Gamefreak just knows what works, so they do that over and over again

which sucks

I mean no matter what I'm buying the game, we all know this xD

[white jungle]

POKE
PARK
3

[ruby light]

but I can still ask for it

lol

[white jungle]

YOU WANT SOMETHING DIFFERENT, I'LL GIVE YOU DIFFERENT

I WANT POKEPARK 3

[ruby light]

I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT IS

[white jungle]

I MISS HOW COMFORTING THE POKEPARK GAMES WERE

[white jungle]

OPEN WORLD MYSTERY DUNGEON KINDA

[ruby light]

I MISS THIS BEING THE POKEMON SCARLET-VIOLET CHANNEL

LOL

[white jungle]

YOU PLAY AS POKEMON

THEY'RE ALREADY DOING OPEN WORLD SO WHY NOT POKEPARK

[ruby light]

cute

[white jungle]

I never played pikachu's adventure, only the second one

You got to be Pikachu and the first stage gen 5 starters

And you explored multiple areas doing quests and stuff

[white jungle]

That's the one

[ruby light]

e

[modest jasper]

man im getting some weird flashbacks

[white jungle]

Pretty sure the plot was about Darkrai being a widdle stinker

[ruby light]

some people seem to have the same opinion

[white jungle]

Yeah that person did a bunch of concepts for a gen 8 pokepark

But personally I'd prefer pokepark for the SV starters

Quaxly has so much character

[modest jasper]

geez i wonder what are this person fav starter of gen6-8

[white jungle]

I'd love to run around as Quaxly

Plus each Pokémon has to have a personality and shit, and the gen 9 starters already seem to have personalities

[ruby light]

oh cuuutee, it's like a sort of adventure game of the likes of mario but each character has it's own ability

fan made Scorbunny

[fickle birch]

The PokéPark battle system is one of the best in the series, a game that fleshes it out would be incredible. 🙂

[white jungle]

Yeah there was a mix of Platforming, fighting and other sorts of quests

[ruby light]

bruh we could totally make a fan-made one in Unity

I'm looking at gameplay rn

[white jungle]

And I think the style of game for its time was good, so now with open world games being one of the best genres out there would make it amazing

[modest jasper]

just look at the C&D letter coming in

[white jungle]

IF QUAXLY WAS PLAYABLE HE COULD DO THE DISNEY GOOSE WADDLE

[ruby light]

we wont sell it

lol

[white jungle]

The lil helicopter leg movements

[ruby light]

it falls under fair use as long as no one can purchase it

:P

[white jungle]

Hasn't stopped them before

[ruby light]

Uranium

;-;

https://tenor.com/view/yes-sir-yes-boss-military-salute-giving-honor-rip-gif-23161689

[modest jasper]

remember the shit show that was uranium? a random project unity 3D?

[white jungle]

Uranium isn't a payed game. I suppose they made money from the patreon but that doesn't seem right.

[modest jasper]

if thats the reason they took it down why are they taking their sweet time with rewborn

[ruby light]

lol because games are hard to make you impatient B-

xD

[modest jasper]

i meant to take it down

[ruby light]

I know it's hard to believe but good games take around 5 years to be finished

[modest jasper]

i really dont give a shit if rewborn is complete or not

there is a reason i put "ew" in rewborn yakno

[ruby light]

people like you are why Early Access exists

lol

[white jungle]

Good gamers also take 5 years to finish.

Ladies, strive for quality

[ruby light]

yes

this game is actually really cute though

a billion fetch quests

but cute

[white jungle]

I remember it being so fun and that was for a WII open world game

Game Freak may be tickling our collective balls a bit giving us a fully open world game by giving us a semi open one first

But we KNOW what the Nintendo switch can do with open world

[ruby light]

Zelda BOTW 🤤

plz

Gamefreak

[white jungle]

I don't care if BOTW is a tired comparison, it's five years old, it should be the standard at least

[ruby light]

I know half of your coders are probably fuckin dead from dehydration in your sweatshops, but plz

[white jungle]

Plus pokepark wouldn't be limited by the strain of a hundreds upon hundreds of different Pokémon, stats, abilities, etc, because they'd all be coded in as more simplistic open world enemies

[ruby light]

lol

[modest jasper]

mmm yes lets have hope for a game that will be launched this year
and ignore that the game had to share development hell with other 3 at minimum

you people even said it, it takes time

[ruby light]

I mean they were in quarantine

nothing you can do about that

everything got paused

[white jungle]

Chad move: put Ingo in pokepark 3

Have all the Pokémon be super uncomfortable because this freaky looking humanoid thing just showed up and no one knows what it is

[ruby light]

Ultra Chad move: release pokepark 3 first and tease a new pokemon

[white jungle]

It's fucking Ingo

[modest jasper]

so like magearna

and melmetan

[ruby light]

ah yes pokemon that people... Remember...

forgot magearna existed

[modest jasper]

i only remember melmetan because people keep debating over it being a gen7 or gen8 mon

[ruby light]

pft

[white jungle]

Gen 5 wins again having the last batch of truly memorable mythicals 😎

[modest jasper]

what?

pony?

[white jungle]

I won't say last relevant ones because like

[modest jasper]

and genesect

[white jungle]

I guess Diancie was connected

[modest jasper]

volcanion over there with better scald with shit acc

[white jungle]

But it's not exactly memorable outside of it being as far as I'm aware the only gen 6 to get a mega evolution

Keldeo was probably the least relevant gen 5 mythical but at least it connected to existing mythicals that were in since launch

Genesect's movie wasn't a masterpiece but it's a cool fucking Pokémon so who cares

[modest jasper]

basically that yeah

and only thing i remember from the pony

is the kyurem movie

because kyurem is the only good gen5 legend dont @ me

[white jungle]

I do think it's funny that Keldeo looks like an MLP character

That's probably what a lot of people don't like about it but I eat that shit up

Me and twilight sparkle on our way to bring down a tyrannical dictator

Feed it to me slowly like grapes

[ruby light]

I liked MLP

but uh

[small shoal]

Brug

[ruby light]

anyway time to post my propaganda and leave

https://tenor.com/view/fuecoco-pokemon-gif-25014912

croc is love
croc is life
all shall hail Fuecoco

[white jungle]

Iris: Keldeo! You really did prove that friendship IS magic!

Keldeo: thanks miss Unova!

[white jungle]

Quaxly better

But can we at least agree Sprigatito fans are the weakest link?

[small shoal]

I pick Pikachu

[white jungle]

It's not bad but it is just a cat.

[ruby light]

weed cat

k bye

[small shoal]

the cat that shall not be allowed to stand

[white jungle]

Quaxly, Duckaneer, Phuckaduck

The ultimate evolution line

[flint sequoia]

Incineroar has permanently ruined any quadrupedal starter reveals and I think that's hilarious

[white jungle]

I've simply decided to ascend past Incineroar hate

By accepting what was once an enemy, I have gained a powerful ally

Me, evil Tony the Tiger and mermaid twilight sparkle

We're in it together

[modest jasper]

intimidate fake out sunofabitch

[white jungle]

Scrafty tripped on its pants so Incineroar could run

Or

At least, walk slowly forward

[tired drum]

Lol

[white jungle]

I actually had a doubles team I think which used Incineroar and Scrafty

Wasn't always great

But when you were up against a team of mostly physical attackers it was so satisfying

[flint sequoia]

I don't hate Incineroar because I've seen it too much between VGC and Smash Ultimate, I've gotten used to the design

[opal gull]

legends arceus isn't open world

[opal gull]

depends what ya mean, i its the catching stuff thats already kinda deconfirmed

[barren bridge]

Someone said the name! Time to share Incineroar's story again: http://thelegendofincineroar.thecomicseries.com/ (black and white webcomic with a lot of action, emotion, and greatness)

What do we think, folks? Will this generation have a decent Ice pokemon?

[modest jasper]

it will be a bulky

slow

ice pokemon

with ice body

[flint sequoia]

With great defensive stats

And it will be ice/normal

[modest jasper]

we are thinking exactly like a GF employee

brilliant.

[flint sequoia]

Let's make a new electric type with 130 base speed, and it's learnset is entirely electric and normal moves

[barren bridge]

Or. We could make an Ice/Flying like Articuno. It has some evasion-themed ability which also lets it avoid Stealth Rock.

sobs hopelessly

[tired drum]

I love that Dragapult is a physical attacker with a mostly special moveset, and Duraludon is a special attacker with a mostly physical moveset

Dumdums

[barren bridge]

I hug my randomizer every night for including features like "remove TM restrictions."

[tired drum]

Lol

[barren bridge]

Can we get a Bug pseudolegendary pokemon this time? Maybe?

[tired drum]

Ooooo

Bug is my favourite

[barren bridge]

No more dragons. NO MORE DRAGONS. PLEASE.

[tired drum]

I like dragons but make a different pseudo please

[flint sequoia]

Ice type pseudo legend, base 40 speed but every other stat is 120

[opal gull]

dragapult is a physical attacker?

[opal gull]

more dragons, needn't be the legend though

[opal gull]

nonsense, the speed would be lower than that

inb4 ice type gyro ball

[opal gull]

I like when its like hoenn and theres a non dragon one too

[flint sequoia]

I like how non pseudo dragons are normal now

[flint sequoia]

Ice Rider Calyrex ;_;

[opal gull]

same

except turtonator and duraludon, hate their designs

[opal gull]

well there is eiscue... whos gonna drop in utility lot without max moves and prob wont return anyways

[tired drum]

Yea

[tired drum]

😔

I love ice cube

[opal gull]

alolan ninetails?

[opal gull]

weavile

[flint sequoia]

I forgot the speed was that high

[opal gull]

frosslass

[tired drum]

Yea

[opal gull]

speeds its whole thing

its based on those super fast planes

[flint sequoia]

Eiscue, Glastrier, Avalugg, Glaceon, Glalie

[opal gull]

glastrier isnt fast

[flint sequoia]

Exactly

[opal gull]

eiscue can be thogh

though

[tired drum]

Slowest horse this side of the molasses lands

[opal gull]

how fast was the heavy ground horse

[tired drum]

Uhh

[flint sequoia]

35

But with a much lower bst

[opal gull]

still technically faster I guess

ice rider is faster though

[tired drum]

Gaming

[flint sequoia]

Ice is the worst type, which makes me sad

[tired drum]

Bug too

😔

[flint sequoia]

Ice is worse

Bug gets u turn and actual resistances

[tired drum]

Yea

[flint sequoia]

Ice resists ice

[opal gull]

wonder if some people not paying attention or kids are gonna get really upset when one of their fave gen 8 mons arent usable in s/v

water has uturn now too

[tired drum]

Lol

Flip turn haha

[flint sequoia]

Flip Turn costs $30 to unlock

[opal gull]

until s/v maybe

(where it costs 60 technically)

watch them scrap some gen 8 moves in gen 9

[tired drum]

Hum

[flint sequoia]

Why is skitter smack so bad? dual wingbeat also is kinda bad, but we need more flying moves

[modest jasper]

skitter smack is a physical bug buzz 🤔

[flint sequoia]

No, it has less power and accuracy

[opal gull]

and isnt sound based

and lowers special attack instead of defense

[flint sequoia]

It's a worse lunge. Lunge.

[opal gull]

soon botw 2 will be

ntm we'll see xenoblade 3 to see what it can do without open world

[barren bridge]

Any guess on the gimmick mechanic for the new generation?

how about an effect that happens when you switch pokemon? like a field effect or terrain, or a one-round pokemon stat buff.

Will there be.... a new type?

[forest egret]

I imagine we won't be seeing new pokemon types, steel, dark and fairy were added for balance stuff

[flint sequoia]

They still need to balance steel and ice

[forest egret]

I think that's more of an issue with the pokemon than the type

[flint sequoia]

No, the types themselves aren't well balanced. Steel is the best defensive type by a landslide and ice resists nothing but ice...

That's why the only good ice types are fast, because they are unusable defensively

[forest egret]

Mhm, but Steel is balanced by the fact it's not a very offensive typing, and even with its strong defence, it's not like, infallable. Conversely, Ice type is super effective against 28% of all pokemon - the highest percentage, even beating out Ground, Fire and Fighting. It's a great offensive typing and it's biggest problem is that most Ice types don't utilize that to their advantage

It's a type designed around hitting fast and hitting hard, but most of its pokemon are tanks that can't tank

[knotty path]

The type itself is less of a problem than the mons built with the type imo

[forest egret]

Ye

[knotty path]

it's weird too because like

look at steel types

gamefreak knows steel is a good defensive typing

and they've made a lot of defensive steel types

but its like they look at ice type and just,,, ignore the fact that it's one of the worst defensive typings lmao

[flint sequoia]

Steel isn't too bad of an offensive typing, all things considered.

[opal gull]

I dont think so they've pointed to the fountain witht ypes around it having just the eiting

I hope they dont release more broken stuff like zacian

[opal gull]

https://mynintendonews.com/2022/04/17/japan-pokemon-variety-show-sharing-latest-pokemon-games-information-next-week/

not confirmed to be scarlet violet specifically mind you

[south trellis]

they will

[flint sequoia]

Worse stuff is Dracovish and Darmanitan-G, completely normal mons that become absolutely broken due to horrible balancing

[modest jasper]

hey at least vish is on the realm of so-dumb-its-funny that complements well with it's dumb design

seeing that thing 1v1 eternatus will never stop amusing me

[flint sequoia]

If you explained Dracovish to me 5 years ago, I would not believe you

[modest jasper]

I wouldn't either 🤝

[white jungle]

Part of me is happy Darmanitan got Uber

The other part is annoyed that base Darmanitan's zen form is worthless

[flint sequoia]

I can't wait for a pokemon to get a signature move that is pursuit but with higher base power

[white jungle]

Just make pursuit an ability so all its moves hit before switch-out 🙄

[modest jasper]

fishy rent already punishes switching out pretty sure

[icy forge]

Like Stake Out ability?

[flint sequoia]

Stakeout has 1.5x move power if the opponent switches, but it hits the pokemon switching in

[late tendon]

Pursuit ability would be broken as hell

Pursuit wasn't a strong attack and it was the only way to hit a Pokemon that switches out, and yet it was removed

I can't tell if it's a good or a bad change but I saw some local showdown tournaments banning Pursuit

[south trellis]

p sure that was a joke

[late tendon]

Ah

[flint sequoia]

Pursuit is the one used move that I was glad got removed

[meager oasis]

same with hidden power for me

[flint sequoia]

Hidden Power makes poor learnset mons worse

ie every special electric type

[meager oasis]

Shrug

[late tendon]

HP is crappy to predict

[final crater]

when you say higher power pursuit

define that

do you mean more powerful utility or do you mean new stab

[the mental image of something minun-tier pulling out a base 90 stab pursuit... 2! is incredible, but perhaps imbalanced]

also honestly hidden power is predictable

its whatever attack the guy wants but doesnt have

or failing that, whatever hits you supereffectively

[flint sequoia]

Even adding a differently typed pursuit would be broken

[final crater]

yeah

[meager oasis]

oh

[wanton idol]

I cant unsee the nose as a mouth on espeon lol

[meager oasis]

oh god

now i cant unsee it

[icy forge]

https://www.reddit.com/r/PokeLeaks/comments/ua5ml9/found_on_4chan_really_hope_its_not_real_but_you/ Surely is fake. And is not my personal taste but IMO is not bad

Also seems more realistic that all of these Flame Spinosaurs 😅

[knotty path]

onestly not the worst design I've seen but I always assume fake until proven otherwise

[white jungle]

I don't like it's face

Honestly I like the idea of it taking on a spinosaurus design but it's not likely

[fickle birch]

Remember though, the Gen VII ones leaked months in advance and everyone assumed they were fake. 😅

But a lot of them deliberately imitate the style of those leaks to seem more legit. 😦

[patent rivet]

But also a billion other “leaks” happened before that and after that and were all fake

[knotty path]

this one's the first that's actually genuinely being considered to be possibly real

though not sure why

we'll see if it pans out though

[fickle birch]

Very true, but the point is that a leak being early doesn't disprove it. Though apparently, the reason it leaked so early is because the art was sent to Sakurai to decide which Pokémon to use in Smash. Apparently. 😮

Which makes early leaks this time seem unlikely. 😄

[patent rivet]

Besides the other ones that were

[knotty path]

I haven't seen any gain actual traction like this one so far

there was some other info from the original post for it too about info dropping soon and something about 'pictures from a package' being shown so we'll see if anything comes of it

[fickle birch]

Riddler Khu is supposedly giving some more details soon, so if those turn out to be true (which, based on Legends, they likely will), we could have more info. 😄

I always hate the period between the game being announced and the dry spell before they start announcing stuff in the summer. 😢

[vestal aurora]

True

[signal dagger]

Wait, this leak is coming from Reddit which came from 4Chan which came from 2Chan.

definitely real leak 👍

Also, Fairy doesn't really fit well into a secondary type wheel for starters

Although Infernape's Fighting typing wasn't really impacted by Torterra's Ground typing

[patent rivet]

Secondary typings don’t really have any special connections

[late tendon]

I like how Riddler hides all the info behind, well, riddles and doesn't tell everything right away

But the guy who was first to leak Enamorus said that the starters will be Grass/||Fairy||, Water/||Fighting|| and Fire/||Ghost||

I don't believe him 100% cuz who knows but he seems to also leak some info that Riddler hid in his riddle pic

[patent rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/nygmobblepot-riddlebird-the-batman-gotham-the-riddler-is-coming-gif-18367419

[final crater]

"actually, this was all an elaborate april fool's prank from nintendo! nyeheheh"

[or some riddle-ish noise]

[white jungle]

I don't want Fuecoco to turn out fire ghost, we just got Hisuian Typhlosion

[final crater]

yeah that seems a bit

overshadowing

[small shoal]

Fire/Ghost makes sense

Since fire dino boi is based off of peppers

He can be a "ghost pepper"

[knotty path]

plus his face mask looks like a skull

I would not be mad at two fire/ghost starters in a row tbh,,, the only other one besides them that exists is all the way back in Unova

besides there's no guarantee in the slightest that Hisuian Typhlosion will be available in scvi, or future installments

[white jungle]

I'd imagine all Hisuian forms are getting in, at least for gen 9

Just for the sake of everyone being able to use their latest teams (maybe aside from some base Sinnoh Mons)

[knotty path]

that's a lot of dex slots taken up by mons that barely make any sense for the game/time period tho

I'd honestly rather them,,, not

they didn't do that with gen 7 to 8 anyways so

[white jungle]

We've seen Zoroark, and it would be weirder to just have some in my opinion

[modest jasper]

get in the pile of "outclassed by a clown"

poor chadelure 😔

[small shoal]

But the perfect pun

Waiting to happen

[white jungle]

I know, and it'll probably be cool either way

But fire types already have a history of being repeats

[small shoal]

But Fire Ghost is a cool repeat

[white jungle]

Also if the Quaxly one is true I'll probably still pick it but damn to they need to stop giving us fighting type starters

Give us a bug or something

[small shoal]

We aren't getting bug this gen

None of them would make sense to have the bug typing since they look nothing like a bug type

[white jungle]

Well obv

But it would have been nice to have finally put fighting behind us for a while longer

[flint sequoia]

Dark seems to be the new trend

[white jungle]

It just feels like a very basic attempt at making the secondary types match too?

And that's kinda played out

I'd rather they drop that idea entirely or go the opposite way

Like fire/poison, grass/psychic

[late tendon]

I'd like to play with a possible Fire/Ghost Fuecoco, love the typing and didn't pick Typhlosion in PLA

Even tho I love hisuian Typhlosion

[late tendon]

Tbh the only time they made another type trio was in gen 6 so it's not like they're even trying to match all 3 secondary types perfectly

Or else we'd already get something like Rock Ground Ice, Ice Flying Fighting, Rock Flying Fighting, and so on

Btw I'm kinda hyped to get another Water/Fighting since other two existing are mythical and pretty boring gen 1 mon

[little whale]

I think it will be cool if there will be dual type moves

Like Fire Punch becomes a Fire and Fighting type move

And something like Ice Fang is Ice and Dark type

[late tendon]

And this is the only fighting starter we never got yet

[late tendon]

This would bring too much inbalance imo. Maybe having a few more rare moves with such gimmick would be ok but not so popular moves

I think stuff like Freeze Dry is more balanced in that sence, and they shouldn't make too many of such moves with extra coverages

[little whale]

Yeah

[flint sequoia]

Flying Press, which is horrible because every type that fighting hits super effectively resists flying

[little whale]

That is true

But you got to admit that the idea of dual type moves is interesting