pokemon-winds-waves

[modest jasper]

[late tendon]

all I'm trying to say is that you shouldn't be rude to other people and say that you hate them because they use their imagination and try to imagine different design outcomes

it made me sad

it's such a nonsense reason to be rude with someone

[knotty path]

Honestly thats why 4chan exists

[late tendon]

haha fair

[icy forge]

What relation have Snakes with Spanish Flag?

[late tendon]

the saint george snake if I remember correctly

I don't know much about spain but I heard people talking about it

[icy forge]

Ah. Its a Dragon if I remember

[late tendon]

that's why I tell everyone that saint george's horse is the reason why croc will be a horse

it's a serpent to be exact

[knotty path]

I liked the theory that the 3 starters would become things that were/are on Spanish flags

[late tendon]

we have it on our money

[knotty path]

Sprigagito being a Lion, Quaxly becoming an Eagle, and Fuecoco becoming a dragon (maybe with castle inspiration)

[icy forge]

I can see easily Springatito became a Lion.

[late tendon]

and, well, a serpent can resemble a snake as much as typhlosion resembles a rat

but still, even if it end up not being zodiac-related, I'm still very curious to see the result

[knotty path]

I feel like a flower/grass lion is predictable though

I hope they go something more interesting

would love to see some Lynx inspiration

[late tendon]

I wonder if humanoids are a new fire starters theme

[knotty path]

Iberian Lynx and all that

[icy forge]

Maybe a Lion-Hercules…muscle thing…

[limpid depot]

Humanoids have been the theme for all starters since gen 6 lol

[modest jasper]

humanoids are a theme for all starters

[late tendon]

I'd love to see a saber tooth tiger in Sprigatito, and if they fuse it with lion that'd be so neat

[knotty path]

Cave Lion maybe?

👀

[late tendon]

perhaps

[limpid depot]

I think gen 8 kinda
Convinced me that all starters will be way more humanoid some way by the end
The fact it's been consistent for 3 gens gives the impression some kinda research made them decide that's the best option to go with

[knotty path]

probably but that doesn't prevent me from hoping

I still think gen 6 did the best with making them humanoid without being overtly so

[late tendon]

I still think that they realise that humanoid starters are selling better somehow

and they also understand that furries exist

[limpid depot]

Also
Sprigatito will probably not be bulky
We've had a bulky cat starter 2 gens ago already, I don't think they'd make incin 2

[late tendon]

and this is a BIG community

[limpid depot]

Yeah, basically
It's just humanoids and also charizard lol

[late tendon]

you tell that about people who made 3 fire/fighting starters in a row

so who knows

[limpid depot]

Pfff
True

[knotty path]

I find the funny part of that being those are the only fire/fighting lines out of 900+ mons

yet still feels like too many

[late tendon]

ye, because of this exact reason

starters are important

I'd love to see a fire/fighting non-starter

[limpid depot]

We need more variety for fighting types double types

[late tendon]

I personally felt like there's too many flying/poison mons before for a similar reason

but actually zubat line is the only poison/flying mons

[limpid depot]

There are so many pure fighting types compared to every other type except normal for obvious reasons
At least it feels like that

[small shoal]

I think having more water/elec types would be cool

or elec/grass

[late tendon]

elecric/grass is a neat type, I hope they'll bring electrodes in gen 9

[small shoal]

I think Fuecoco seems like it'll evolve into a fake dragon type (where it looks like a dragon but isn't dragon type like charizard)

[late tendon]

I wonder if they'll make another psychic/fairy, they introduced at least one every gen starting from gen 6

[small shoal]

maybe

[late tendon]

now there's just so many of them and I don't really understand why

I wish to see Ground/Fairy one day

[limpid depot]

I wonder why some types are seemingly almost never used despite having many obvious possibilities
Most notably, any combination of the starter types

[late tendon]

Grimmsnarl was a neat Dark/Fairy addition, even tho it's appearance isn't my fav

[limpid depot]

We have one water/grass line, one fire/water legendary, and still no grass/fire at all

[late tendon]

onle one water grass? oh damn

[limpid depot]

Yeah just the Ludicolo line
Talk about underused, yeah?

[modest jasper]

grass/fire one seems quite ridiculous
just
pepper

it's all it needs

[late tendon]

or a torchwood

or a burned tree

[small shoal]

pvz refrence

[limpid depot]

Or any red flower that looks fiery

[late tendon]

if paper is grass type why charcoal can't be it?

[limpid depot]

I mean to be fair the coal pokemon we have is clearly more about mineral coal than charcoal

[knotty path]

yeah it wasn't my favorite either tbh, but the typing is cool

Impidimp grew on me as a design though

funky lil lad

[late tendon]

and the concept fits the type

magical evil goblin looking like it's from fairytales

[limpid depot]

Yeah

It's cool

[late tendon]

I mostly don't like it's pre-evo colors, they're too saturated for me, and how the g-max looks

[small shoal]

impidimp has a fun name to say

[icy forge]

I like see Bug/Dragon

[late tendon]

but the concept of using hair as muscles is neat

and a cool counterpart to hatterene who also uses it's hair

[icy forge]

And maybe a more “traditional” Dragon/Grass

[late tendon]

I'd like to see hmm...

[knotty path]

I'd like to see a steel/dragon type that isn't Dialga or a fucking inhaler

[late tendon]

Zeraora could be neat with fighting type

[limpid depot]

Yeah
It's the bara bait fairy vs the waifu bait fairy

[knotty path]

I dont even remember its name it just

looks weird

[late tendon]

so I'd like to see electric/fighting

[knotty path]

Electric/Fighting would be cool

Ice/Fighting... do we have that yet? I think that'd be cool if it was fast and offensive

[late tendon]

and poison/steel, maybe something related to liquid metal poisons like Mercury

[limpid depot]

Only the
Crab I think

[knotty path]

oh right

[limpid depot]

So makes sense you forgot lol

[knotty path]

that stupid thing

[late tendon]

Crabominable, yea

[modest jasper]

that one time GF wanted to replace Gardevoir

[knotty path]

the complete opposite of fast and offensive

😭

[late tendon]

I'd love to see more fire/electric mons besides just Rotom

[knotty path]

Alola was so slow

in general

[limpid depot]

They do that every region with a grass type anyways lol

[late tendon]

it's two the most dangerous types that can kill you instantly

and the only mon that has such combo is an oven

[knotty path]

only fast mons that come to mind are like,,, some of the ultra beasts and myths/legends

[late tendon]

alolan Raichu is fast

[modest jasper]

Hawaiians are lazy mfs

[late tendon]

and even faster in electric terrain

[knotty path]

how could I forget my precious pancake child

[late tendon]

but yea the region itself is just so chill haha

[knotty path]

speaking of which

[late tendon]

which is cool tho

[knotty path]

electric/psychic is an awesome typing

[late tendon]

it is

[knotty path]

gib more

would also like to see electric/fairy that isn't Dedenne

or koko

[late tendon]

I'd also LOVE to see another dragon/fairy

[modest jasper]

a shame both suck defensively
I swear they have trauma from gen1 psychic and refuse to make it anywhere near good

[late tendon]

alolan raichu is a nice glass cannon tho

not the best one but nice

[icy forge]

Electric is not bad defensive type

[modest jasper]

what does it even resist?

[knotty path]

It resists itself

[modest jasper]

flying?

[late tendon]

it doesn't resist much

[knotty path]

and flying yeah

[late tendon]

and steel

...I guess

[icy forge]

But just one weakness

[modest jasper]

i can only remember it dying to any and all earthquakes

[knotty path]

I barely count steel, its not an offensive typing

[icy forge]

And Water?

[knotty path]

no

[late tendon]

doesn't make it a good switch-in tho

[modest jasper]

a shame that typing is the definition of offensive

[knotty path]

although

the mon with the most resistances in the game is electric type

electric/steel to be exact

[late tendon]

lots of mons can 2-shot you with neutral attacks if you're not bulky

[knotty path]

excluding abilities anyways

[modest jasper]

steel is just cheating tbf

[knotty path]

11 resistances and 1 immunity

[modest jasper]

it resists so much

[late tendon]

it's like a bug type is very weak defensively but bug/steel is a strong combo

[knotty path]

yee

[late tendon]

steel type is meta

[icy forge]

I also would like see a Ghost/Rock

Maybe a gargoyle

[late tendon]

spiritomb could be ghost/rock

[icy forge]

Or Sableye

[late tendon]

but I guess it's more about being ghost than being a rock with ghosts

[modest jasper]

plz no it already sucks and outclassed by sab

I just want it to have reliable recovery man 😭

[knotty path]

theoretically though, I think steel/normal would be better? 10 resistances and 2 immunities. I'm not sure if there's any theoretical type combos that beat that in terms of resistance/immunity count.

[modest jasper]

fighting is a very common offensive typing tho

[late tendon]

idk about resistance/immunity but if you also count stab offence then steel/fairy is on top

not even counting zacian's existence

[knotty path]

steel/ghost is also very good, with 9 resists and 3 immunities

and no 4x weaknesses like magnezone or steel/norml

[modest jasper]

they killed mega mawile to give us a bs legend

[knotty path]

does have 4 general weaknesses tho

[late tendon]

I'd love to see more special fighting and rock mons tho, and moves especially

and physical electric moves

[knotty path]

yeah..

[late tendon]

meteor beam was a really need addition

[knotty path]

and physical fairies tbh

both moves and mons

[late tendon]

I really hoped it'll be a special rock type attack when I first saw it's name in leaks

[knotty path]

we have literally 2 physical fairy moves and one is exclusive to Impidimp line iirc

[modest jasper]

play rough and grimm signature

[late tendon]

yea

[icy forge]

Poor Tapu Bulu xD

[limpid depot]

Fighting type also is
Almost completely physical centered

[modest jasper]

play rough can miss as well

[late tendon]

fighting type has literally 3 special moves

decent aura sphere, weak vacuum wave and focus miss

[modest jasper]

focus miss/vacuum wave/sacred sword(?)

[knotty path]

Focus Blast, Aura Sphere, Secret Sword, Vaccuum Wave

uhh

[late tendon]

ah right 4

[modest jasper]

oh yeah aura sphere

[late tendon]

forgot about secret sword

[knotty path]

and Sacred Sword yeah so 5

wait no sacred is physical but deals special

right

[late tendon]

sacred sword is physical

[limpid depot]

I'm pretty sure the only fighting type with a decently usable special attack is lucario
And even then it's still a mixed attacker with a bit more physical than special

[knotty path]

wait no secret sword is special and deals physical, like psyshock? sacred sword is just physical?

idr

[late tendon]

yes

their names are so similar haha

sacred sword is physical and ignores defence stat changes afaik

[knotty path]

yeah they could use more attacks too, but the recent move additions seem to be less generally spread and more mon-specific

sometimes they get spread a little more the gen after ig, like Mystical FIre

hope to see that with Spirit Break at least

[modest jasper]

they are loving to give out signatures like it's candy

[late tendon]

electric type has a very poor physical movepoll

[knotty path]

yeah

Thunder Punch, Wild Charge, Volt Tackle

Thunder Fang ig

[late tendon]

there are some good physical moves but they all are signatures

also spark

[knotty path]

Zing Zap would be nice spread to other mons

[modest jasper]

freaking pyro ball is physical fire blast
you know how many mons would love that?

[late tendon]

but Spark, Thunder Punch and Thunder Fang are weak and Wild Charge takes recoil

[knotty path]

abilities too

[late tendon]

Volt Tackle has recoil too but it's also signature

[modest jasper]

wild charge can be fixed by simply removing it's recoil damage tho
would love to see bolt break/fishy rent being given to more hail abusers too

[knotty path]

a ton of the abilities added in gen 8 are so theme/mon specific I can't see them spreading to others

[limpid depot]

I think dark might be the best type when it comes to balancing physical and special moves
Tho there is a bit more physical
Despite it being considered a special stat type in gen 2 lol

[late tendon]

ah and Nuzzle

but it's not even an attack, it's thunder wave that breaks sash

[modest jasper]

knock off PTSD kicks in

[late tendon]

there's Bolt Strike, it's like a physical Focus Blast and it fits lots of mons but it's signature

[knotty path]

honestly dark should've been physical in gen 2, and ghost should've been special

or at least changed to such until the split

[limpid depot]

Yeah tbh it's funny that dark was special in those games

They clearly weren't even designing pokemon with that in mind lol

[late tendon]

still waiting for a Dragon type eeveelution cuz they cover all the special types besides dragon

[modest jasper]

maybe an unpopular opinion but I don't want to see more eevees

[limpid depot]

Ok honestly
Eeveelutions are locked
I can't see them ever doing any more after these few gens

[modest jasper]

it has like 9 evos at this point

[limpid depot]

I'd like if there were more but

It's not happening

[meager oasis]

I want bug eeveelution

[modest jasper]

even if very annoyed, I'd prefer they keep going with Meowth being the new eevee

[knotty path]

I wouldn't hate there being more but it seems very unlikely

[late tendon]

I liked new Meowth's possible feature to resemble different cat breeds

[limpid depot]

Consider this about the eeveelutions:

• Last one happened when they introduced a new type
• Gen 6 had ONLY that eevelution as a new evo, gen 7 had NONE and gen 8 had ONLY regional-form-exclusive evos
• Eevee became pikachu 2

[late tendon]

but looks like we have a regular Meowth in gen 9

[modest jasper]

I also feel like if they have a new eevee they be advertising that like there is no tomorrow

[late tendon]

yea, I more hope for a dragon eevee than wait

[limpid depot]

Tbh I think non-regional-form evos in general are like
Gone forever

[late tendon]

although, Pikachu got a new evolution in gen 7

which is still raichu but a regional one

[modest jasper]

"new"

it's kinda calling Alola maro a new Pokemon
which in competitive
yes

but design wise not as the same as obstagoon

[late tendon]

sorry, I may be confusing with the words I choose

I try to not use google translator too much

[limpid depot]

Pffff

[knotty path]

honestly I wouldn't be surprised if you're right about non-regional evos being done with

especially since dexit

[modest jasper]

can I also say how negative I feel towards obstagoon as a design
why did you need to drag down the cute and useful zigzagoon with you to make a new furbait
I don't hate it, but it doesn't give me a sour taste in my mouth

[limpid depot]

I mean, do you really think that new evolutions not locked to regional forms will ever happen again?
We literally had 2 gens with basically no evos, followed by one where all evos are regional form only

[late tendon]

I personally really thought that it'll stay the gen 7 feature because Alola is 4 whole separate islands, and Alolan forms resemble the evolution branches that the real life animals had

but with gen 8 they made it clear that some mons could be original to that region and therefore different

or be just different breeds of domestic mons like Meowth

[knotty path]

now that they don't have to worry about future-proofing mon concepts and are focusing more on the region, it'd make sense for them to be pushing regional forms and evos a lot more

[late tendon]

or be an invasive species who adapted to the region like hisuian starters and zoroark

[modest jasper]

regionals as a whole are very flawed tbf
they just kinda kill the pokemon they are being based off on, just look at muk, Alolan Muk is just Muk but better

[knotty path]

But again who cares if the original doesn't even appear natively?

[late tendon]

well, I won't tell that remaking old boring mons is something bad

[knotty path]

Previously introduced mons have little to no relevance unless they want them to

so if a regional form is just "this but better" but the original doesn't even show up in the game, is there any reason to compare?

[late tendon]

that's what I'm telling

Linoone is only remarkable for belly drum e-speed

now it's interesting in lore

[limpid depot]

It's a bit displeasing
Specially with gen 8s no-evo-unless-regional thing
Why not have normal evos as well? Those are also buffs and redesigns.

[modest jasper]

it's a incredible niche tho

give it scrappy and everything dies

stomping tantrum for steel types as well

[limpid depot]

I feel like "forget everything before this gen, it doesn't matter" is the problem not the solution lol

[knotty path]

I think their thought process is something along the lines of "if this species that everyone's known like this has existed for years, why would it suddenly evolve now?" and thus, it's a regional thing

I mean they could come up with other reasons sure

[limpid depot]

But why did they not think about that in gens before 5?

[late tendon]

it has stomping tantrum

[knotty path]

but why do that when you can tie it into the region itself

[limpid depot]

Why think about it at all

[knotty path]

besides it kinda is a way of futureproofing ig

[late tendon]

I meant to say that Linoone is remarkable only sometimes and only in competitive but not lore-wise

[limpid depot]

Literally all gen 4 evos are super apreciated

[knotty path]

if my Linoone can suddenly evolve into a Lingod, why can't it evolve in my Emerald game?

why can it only evolve in this game, and not previous games, even if I meet the right conditions for it?

[limpid depot]

If Togetic can become Togekiss why not in gen 2 or 3?

[knotty path]

they didn't ask that question then I guess

[limpid depot]

Why even ask now then?

[knotty path]

I don't know

I'm not Gamefreak

ask them

I'm just saying its a potential thought they might consider

[limpid depot]

They already set the expectation that that doesn't matter, it's silly it's suddenly important now

[knotty path]

Could be a difference in directors, could be a difference in devs

we dont know, we likely never will

[late tendon]

I mean, it's not bad to give old mons something new, like they gave the fairy type to old mons

if they can, why not?

[knotty path]

It isn't, no, but I don't envision them doing it in the future. Maybe they'll surprise me though.

[late tendon]

they couldn't have it before purely because of the game mechanics, not because of lore

[limpid depot]

Yeah
It just kinda sucks for me
Cuz now we may get obstagoon but og linoone will probably never get anything like that
Etcetera

[knotty path]

honestly I'll take regional forms though, even if it sometimes feels like a new mon entirely

[late tendon]

in remakes, togetic can evolve into togekiss if you find a stone in the postgame

[knotty path]

or if its regional exclusive. At least it's somethin

[late tendon]

so they tell us that it's possible in johto, it's just not possible in the old games cuz they're old

[fickle birch]

It also seems weird that they'd use that justification for not giving normal evolutions, yet they retconned Leafeon, Glaceon, Magnezone, Probopass and Vikavolt to use the stones that were previously accessible in prior games. 😅

[late tendon]

but actually

I know why

pokemon is a multiverse that's why

[knotty path]

true

[modest jasper]

oh god

[limpid depot]

Yeah lol they literally gave that excuse gen 6 already

[modest jasper]

the multiverse theory which by now is a fact

I hate it so much

[late tendon]

why?

[limpid depot]

Every cartridge of every game

[knotty path]

I like that it opens up so many possibilities

[modest jasper]

they can just
do whatever they want with no rules whatsoever and just say "whoops that's on another timeline guys, forget about it!"

[limpid depot]

I don't mind it that much
Cuz it's just a meta way to handwave inconsistencies that are inevitable

[late tendon]

it excuses why you can battle with your arceus against your friend's arceus so you don't have to argue which arceus is a true god

[late tendon]

so what's bad about it?

[echo dawn]

I mean, if it means trying out new things that'll be good for the series... why not?

[knotty path]

the answer to that is neither

the only true god is Bidoof

[limpid depot]

Heh

[modest jasper]

looks at gmax

[echo dawn]

Exactly a good point

People didn't like it
So they removed it

[late tendon]

gmax is a cool feature presenting in galar only and nowhere else

[echo dawn]

People liked megas, so the kept it for a while

[late tendon]

it's not even a multiverse thing, it's a specific place related thing

[limpid depot]

Tbh
I'll get flamed for this
Megas should've been kept and people who say they shouldn't wouldn't be saying they shouldn't if they did keep it

[late tendon]

but even if it was, still don't see any reason why it'd be bad

[modest jasper]

still I dislike it just because they don't need to follow rules with this excuse

but I feel like I'm expecting a bit too much sense coming from a franchise where a dog with a sword is stronger than god itself

[late tendon]

restrictions in a sake of keeping something through all the games because you just need to isn't good, having freedom to make better games without old mechanics is good

rules shmules

[knotty path]

Honestly I think Megas and even Z-Moves in general were much better executed than dmax and gmax were

[late tendon]

eh, they try new things and don't mix them with old things

[limpid depot]

Things would be better with megas still around

[echo dawn]

Again, lore, especially in a pokemon game, shouldn't be above gameplay

[modest jasper]

I would be happier if they gave some better gameplay then if they aren't focused on lore and rules but I digress, uni classes are starting

[limpid depot]

The only reason people defend megas not being kept is cuz they didn't keep it so better content with what we have
I'm 100% sure if megas were still a thing nobody would be complaining about them any more than people complain about everything anyways lol

[late tendon]

I really like what Wolfey said in one of his last vids
everyone was mad about removing 500 mons from the game, but the gameplay with such less options was one of the most interesting in a whole Pokemon battling history because you could use, let's say, Toxtricity and still perform good with it when now it sucks against things like Regieleki and you'll probably fail with such team

if they didn't remove megas and z-moves, there's no need to include other mechanics cuz they'll be outshadowed by megas and z-moves

[limpid depot]

I don't agree with this sentiment

[late tendon]

sometimes removing stuff makes the game more fun and, well, fresh

they can return old stuff if they feel that it'll make the game interesting

or they can remove old stuff if they wanna try something new

it's natural

[knotty path]

That makes sense to me

[late tendon]

gen 8 natdex anything goes is SUCH a mess because there's everything

megas, z-moves, dynamax, primal forms

[knotty path]

as much as I loved Megas as a feature, and how I'd love for them to return, I can't really envision them beng a permanent feture every gen

[late tendon]

and you can't even say "just don't use it lol" because using it gives you too much of advantage but still makes the game messy as hell

[limpid depot]

The problem with saying "getting rid of the old means you can use new things" is that
Well, you're not getting something better, just something different.
It takes control away from your choice, it forces you to do something instead of naturally inviting you to it
If you like the new thing, congrats, if you dislike it, then you lost what you had before and you might never see it progress again
It assumes you will like what is new cuz it's new not cuz it's actually better

[late tendon]

don't use it, you'll just probably loose like with Toxtricity in Wolfey's example

is different means worse than before tho?

[limpid depot]

No
It means it'll be better for some and worse for others
Rather than everyone keeping what they already liked

[late tendon]

I'd prefer trying different stuff than having everything the same over and over. That's why the old Pokemon pattern feels so annoying novadays

[fickle birch]

Megas to me are a natural evolution of the normal formula, I'd really have liked to see more of them. 😦

[echo dawn]

That's assuming everyone likes megas

Which not everyone does

[limpid depot]

Yeah, I agree

[fickle birch]

The only thing I don't like is that strong Pokémon got them, and some inexplicably got two for obnoxious fanservice reasons. 😦

[limpid depot]

As I said
Better for some (you)
Worse for others (me)

[echo dawn]

So it's the same in the end

There's no winning

[fickle birch]

Mega Beedrill and Lopunny showcased what Megas should be. Mega Rayquaza and Metagross very much did not. 😅

[late tendon]

then there's no compromise

[echo dawn]

So it's best to do what's best for the series

[late tendon]

it'll always be better or worse for everyone not depending on their actions

[limpid depot]

Yeah
It had so much potential
I wanna see more of it now that they got the bad fanservice out of the way

[fickle birch]

I actually think Z-Moves were a fantastic addition, despite initially being hesitant. They opened up a lot. I just hated the "look at this wacky pose" part of them. 😂

[echo dawn]

(Also new special forms and the such means money)

[limpid depot]

But can't keeping as much stuff as possible for options saque be better than ONLY having new things, no exeption?

[fickle birch]

More importantly, it means more designs without needlessly buffing the roster. Regional variants work for the same reason. 😄

[late tendon]

I personally prefer mons having new forms/evos over megas because that's how you can highlight forgetable mons without giving them too much of advantage

AND you can combine it with different mechanics

[limpid depot]

But why is it one or the other?

[fickle birch]

I agree, I prefer actual evolutions to Megas. Mega Mawile could have easily been an evolution. 😄

[limpid depot]

Can we never have both?

[echo dawn]

This

[limpid depot]

Feels like you are the ones who can't compromise this

[late tendon]

as I said, if they feel like it'll bring something fresh, they can return old stuff with something new

[fickle birch]

Three-stage Pokémon, or ones that are at a natural end to their lines (like Beedrill) could have Megas, things that feel incomplete could get permanent evolutions. 🙂

[knotty path]

think a game with megas AND zmoves AND dmax would just be mechanic bloat at this point

esp for the competitive meta

and WAY too hard to balance for that gen

[late tendon]

if they don't, just having something new is neat

[worn cobalt]

I like the retroactive changes, because it addresses issues that come up in games. For example, I really hated them shoehorning a magnetic area into every region for Magnezone.

[fickle birch]

Completely agree. D-Max is by far the worst of these mechanics though, and is generally unpopular. 😅

[fickle birch]

Agreed, also makes Glaceon much more accessible, as the icy areas often come late into the game. 😢

[limpid depot]

I just feel like expanding old mechanics would be better than immediately replacing them with something that may be better or may be worse

[knotty path]

I mean if you think about it, dmax and gmax were expansions of z-moves and megas. Not very well executed, mind you, but you can see the progression between them.

Were they exact clones? no

[fickle birch]

Yeah, they attempt to combine the two into one mechanic, but haphazardly. 😦

[worn cobalt]

Also, personal opinion, but I want them to do a pair of regions where the regions are both reached in one game, have distinct identities or culture (maybe like Kanto/Johto), but have different climates. Why does everywhere, even tropical islands, have icy regions?

[fickle birch]

It'd be interesting if they did a paired version that played on this, like White Forest and Black City, but on a bigger scale. 🙂

[knotty path]

At least that'd be a reason to buy both rather than "hurr its literally the same game with 2 dif mons and this gym instead of that"

[limpid depot]

That's kinda what I mean
It feels like "Hey wanna see me make it BETTER"
Except it's not better it's mostly just different and in this case kinda worse
What would be better would be megas and z moves for stuff that needed it

[knotty path]

never liked the two-version business model honestly

[worn cobalt]

Ooh, like Tropic white and Black Winter, where one was in a warmer climate and the other a colder climate?

[fickle birch]

Exactly, yeah. Sort of what Fire Emblem did. 😄

[knotty path]

I still can't imagine Galar with ALL of those features at once

[fickle birch]

Legends basically confirmed that it's completely unnecessary. Same with trade evolutions. 😦

[knotty path]

there'd be way too much going on for my 1 braincell to handle lmao

[limpid depot]

Gen 7 had the 2 at once

[knotty path]

Yes, but one was locked to postgame.

[fickle birch]

I have to say, Megas and Z-Moves were a fun combo together in competitive. 😄

[limpid depot]

We didn't need 3 that serve such a similar purpose in the first place

[worn cobalt]

Personally, I want most of the mechanics of Legends Arceus brought to mainline games.

[fickle birch]

Me too, Naka. 😃

[knotty path]

Besides there wasn't as much overlap

z-moves and megas were distinctive enough from one another to be able to balance in a competitive meta

z-moves, megas, AND dmax?

fuck no

[limpid depot]

Again, no need to replace megas, when you can expand them

[fickle birch]

Mega Gyarados and Z-Conversion Porygon-Z were staples of my Gen VII Showdown team. 🙂

[knotty path]

there's a reason I avoid gen 8 natdex

[limpid depot]

We could just
Not have Gmax

[fickle birch]

Isn't D-Max banned in a lot of formats? 😮

[limpid depot]

Is what I'm saying

[knotty path]

We could also just
Not have Megas

why deprive people of one but not the other

that was your point from the beginning, no?

[worn cobalt]

We could... Forget complexity, return to Hisui.

[fickle birch]

Megas are a lot more popular. G-Max forms could be retconned to be Megas. 😅

[knotty path]

TRUE

[limpid depot]

We could have megas instead of gmax
Pluz Z moves for a quick burst all mon can use

[knotty path]

Naka with the pog take

[fickle birch]

I think that, after Legends' popularity and widespread acclaim, they're gonna draw more from it in future titles. 😄

[knotty path]

I'm going to take that advice and go bac to searching for the smallest possible mons to trade for alphas I need because fuck I want to finish this Alpha Dex

have fun debating yall

[limpid depot]

Yeah, definitively

[worn cobalt]

I love how in legends, the battle system is kinda feral.

"Yes, I don't enslave my Pokemon in Pokeballs, but I think I'll just send them all out to fight you and see what they decide to do. Maybe they'll attack, maybe they won't."

[worn cobalt]

What alphas do you need ? I too am hunting for an Alpha Dex, but I might be able to help look for some for you. We can chat in DMs more on this.

[knotty path]

I'm literally just down to the annoying ass Distortion exclusives and some Unowns, I'll DM you lmao

[fickle birch]

#pokemon-legends-arceus has taken over. 😉

[worn cobalt]

Either way, probably still buying Violet to achieve childhood dream of Pokemon Purple.

[echo dawn]

Pokemon Scarlet, another gen 1 remake

[fickle birch]

Years ago there were trademarks of Purple and Brown, Scarlet and Violet come surprisingly close to that old set of names. 😄

[limpid depot]

Imagine a pokemon game called brown
Too many bad jokes would be made, too many lol

[fickle birch]

Yeah, that was a really odd choice on their part. Especially when there are a bunch of colours that exist other than brown. 😅

I kind of want them to do more games that deviate from the reddish/bluish duo though, GS and BW are the only two examples of that in Western countries (SM is still close enough to reddish and bluish). 😂

[remote pelican]

https://youtu.be/dufnEZ9ma0E

I found this to be funny

[knotty path]

heh

[knotty path]

There's some irony behind it too. Pokemon Brown was one of, if not the actual, first Pokemon Romhacks to ever come out.

[rare cloak]

i laughed

a lot

[knotty path]

Was made in 2004 and kinda spearheaded the romhack community

I guess I should use the term romhack loosely though; It was the first romhack by today's standards. There were some before but they were pretty sloppy and mostly just text edits and funny sprite changes. Brown was the first one that actually do something interesting and made an entirely new region and such. Sometimes I wonder if they trademarked the name just to try and discourage the romhacking community, or if it was just a coincidence lmao

[uneven badger]

Please be the fossil of the game

[rare cloak]

Yeah no

Besides you misspelled fossil lol

[uneven badger]

I don't see another

Something like a spinosaurus

[modest jasper]

rock/poison velociraptor with merciless and a signature that is poison extreme speed

[uneven badger]

I want pepito in the game

[uneven badger]

Steel

[remote pelican]

isn’t that a clover mon?

[modest jasper]

exactly

its perfection

[spare roost]

can we have a trike and a plesiosaur this time

[rare cloak]

no

[late tendon]

I wish to see more fossil dinos with feathers

So far we only have Archeops and Tyrantrum's dex entry mentioning it having feathers in ancient times

Maybe having the original galar fossils someday would be epic too

[rare cloak]

yo what if they did a pokemon legends game based in galar

and that was how you got to see their actual forms

[rare cloak]

or one in kalos where you got to see tyrantrum with feathers

or one in kanto where omanyte is in his god form cause lord helix-

[late tendon]

I wish to see pokemon legends based on unova someday

the region map is great and I need the original dragon story

• I like the theory that, since now we have a 4th kami, the original dragon was the golden emperor

[forest egret]

That one feels like the most likely they'd do next, it'd probably be called Legends Kyurem or something

[meager oasis]

They’ve added a lot of gen 5 themed things in arceus so yea there’s probably some kind of unovan themed thing coming up

Especially ingo

[late tendon]

cuz this is the fact that:
Landorus with white gem = white tiger of the west
Tornadus with red gem = vermilion bird of the south
Tundurus with blue gem = azure dragon of the east
Enamorus with uhh for some reason green gem instead of black = black tortoise of the north that is also wrapped by a snake

and they all had a 5th "golden emperor" in the center, who looks like a dragon, and kyurem has a big yellow gem on it's head, so maybe the original dragon could be this golden emperor

of course it's just a theory but I really like it

[forest egret]

Yeah it is cool, I saw the gnoggin video about it, it's pretty believable and I hope they go that route

[late tendon]

I like his Enamorus vid, it design kinda grew up for me a bit after watching it

it's still very stereotypically feminine looking but many of it's design features now makes sence

[meager oasis]

What about the long neck

[late tendon]

what's wrong with it?

these long nose turtles have some very long necks

[meager oasis]

I meant on the incarnate form

[meager oasis]

wait were you talking about therian form

[forest egret]

Ugajin also has a snake body with an upright posture that gives off the impression of a long neck

[late tendon]

and yea that too

[meager oasis]

Is ugajin what emanorus is based on?

Cuz idk what that is

[late tendon]

enamorus is based on several things at once as far as I can tell from that vid

it's very cool actually https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=500VicX0DGk

[meager oasis]

I should probably go watch it

[forest egret]

But yes, it's mostly ugajin. All 4 are based on existing Kamis

[late tendon]

...somehow this channel is about legends arceus now

[meager oasis]

oh right

How did that happen lol

[worn cobalt]

Soon, my takeover of every channel will be complete. -Arceus

[south trellis]

yeah enamorus is has many inspirations and is a decent concept but it still looks trash

[fickle birch]

Although I think this is also bolstered by James Turner, the current art director, starting his work at GameFreak for BW. There's been a bit of Gen V bias in Gen VIII on a general scale, like Garbodor being the only Pokémon not from Gens I or VIII to get a G-Max form. 😅

[late tendon]

I really like this sudden garbodor lmao

[junior raptor]

as someone who likes gen 5 quite a bit, i dont mind the sudden bias, but yeah no doubt about it def some bias, kinda felt that change of art director in swsh by some of the humans being more american cartoonish rather than japanese, like the guy mascot of that grill place, the police trainer class, and the names have become more punny to me as well ''coallossol'' ''flapple''

oh right scarlet chat... uh... spanish named croc ammiright

[fickle birch]

Punny names I absolutely don't mind one bit, they've been there since the earlier games (Squirtle, Lanturn, Swellow, etc.), but the human designs have been iffy to me. I strongly dislike a lot of the NPC designs from SwSh (I don't like the Doctor, Nurse, Police Officer, Postman, Male Worker, Black Belt, Office Workers, Pokémon Breeder, Artist, Male Musician, Hiker, or obviously Team Yell's designs, as well as Milo's design). 😂

I kinda miss the days when everyone looked really angry and angular, and I say that as someone who didn't grow up with Gens I and II. 😅

[hardy totem]

I grow up with Gen 1 and I enjoyed Gen 5 characters designs. 😄

[fickle birch]

Gen V's are great. Gen VIII's...

[hardy totem]

Milo
Isn’t that the guy who has a child’s face with skin-colored sclera and no nose?

[fickle birch]

Yes. It's a bad design. 😦

[hardy totem]

Man, I really dislike when Pokémon gives it human characters those types of sclera as it unintentionally implies it really is skin-colored or covered up by skin since almost every single human design shows the white of the eyes.

[patent rivet]

I thought it just meant they don’t have sclera in their design and their eyes are just the iris and pupil

You know, it’s just a way some cartoon characters are designed

[hardy totem]

Yeah, that’s why I said “unintentionally”. 😄

[opal gull]

I want more non feathered carnivores

[mental kraken]

I think it would be real interesting if we could get a spine fossil pokemon, which is based on the first recorded animal in natural history to actually have a spine

Or maybe even a literal fossil pokemon (Ghost/Rock?)

[junior raptor]

do you happen to know what animal that would be? the first with a spine? cuz it do sound interesting

[knotty path]

Wikipedia says its likely one of these

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haikouichthys
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myllokunmingia
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zhongjianichthys

At least, they're listed among the earliest known vertebrates

[forest egret]

Essentially just Jawless Fish

[junior raptor]

yeah, not a whole lot to work with lol

[rare cloak]

Isn't that just runerigus lol

Also why tf is runerigus ground type

It's literally made of stone

[echo dawn]

Better question, why were they ever different in the first place

Ground and stone are so similar anyways, it just kinda matters which is better for balance in that situation

[rare cloak]

Stone is literally just rock

Not ground

[mental kraken]

Sand is ground

Mud is ground

Flatness is ground

Stone is rock

Rock is rock

Earth is basically both lol

[echo dawn]

You still call masses of hardened minerals underneath the ground rocks, even if they’re in the ground

And rocks are part of the ground, the earth

[final crater]

rock is sharp hard ground

ground is soft blunt rock

i.e. stone edge vs earthquake

theyre different

[echo dawn]

Just cause something is different consistency doesn't mean its a new concept

Wet sand and sand are still sand, soft rock and hard rock are still rock

[knotty path]

I guess we gotta get rid of ice and water too then

They're just the same thing with different consistency after all

[vestal aurora]

i guess we should get rid of typings they all are related somehow

[knotty path]

And steel is just refined minerals which are rocks :^)

[wanton idol]

water is just a liquid thats named water

[junior raptor]

water and poison are also pretty much the same, just one is good liquid the other is bad liquid ;p

[spiral tree]

imo Gen 8 had the best character designs of any gen

[rare cloak]

Bitch what

Hell no

Inteleon is the worst water starter

And rillaboom and cinderace are mid

[spiral tree]

youre saying that when Feraligatr exists

[final crater]

basically my take

if water and ice are different

so can rock and ground

[rare cloak]

Yes

I am

[final crater]

[plus, you dont exactly call, say, sand a rock]

[well, usually]

[rare cloak]

Cause feraligatr is dope

[spiral tree]

Feraligatr is literally just a blue croccodile on it's hind legs

[final crater]

[sandstorms cause abrasions so]

[spiral tree]

Gen 2 is cool, but imo it has the weakest starter designs

[final crater]

[and you dont call a sharp mineral out of the floor a ground]

[rare cloak]

The best starters are gen 3 and gen 7

[final crater]

idk ground to me is like sand and clay and such

[knotty path]

Welcome to opinions

[rare cloak]

Easily

[final crater]

whereas rock is hitting people with a real sharp guy

[spiral tree]

but Im not just meaning pokemon, I'm also meaning the trainer designs are cool for Gen 8

[knotty path]

Today we have two pokemon fans fighting over whose opinions are right. More at 11

[rare cloak]

OHHH

[rare cloak]

Old joke

Not funny

[final crater]

hey im not arguing im just clarifying

[spiral tree]

I've seen a lot of people agree that the trainer designs for Gen 8 were really good

[knotty path]

Nah not you bee

[spiral tree]

I hope Gen 9 has that same level of quality for trainer designs, despite the new style

[rare cloak]

And I reread your thing and yeah gen 8 has the best character designs

[knotty path]

Just find "ree no ur wrong in my opinion this is better" arguments funny

[final crater]

lol

[spiral tree]

Howls Im gonna kiss your mother

[rare cloak]

Obviously everything before gen 6 doesn't have very good character designs

[knotty path]

Honestly that'd be more action she's had in years

[rare cloak]

Even then, gen 6 is bland

[spiral tree]

ehh gen 7 imo is when it got good

[rare cloak]

Gen 7 has too much basic stuff

And then marnie

[spiral tree]

Viola and Grant don't even look like gym leaders, they just look like trainer classes

[final crater]

... what

why would you choose those two as your example

of all the gy mleaders in kalos

[rare cloak]

Honestly kalos just sucks

[spiral tree]

because most of the others do look like Gym Leaders

[final crater]

mate you chose the fairyest mf

[rare cloak]

We can all agree everything concerning kalos gym leaders sucks

[final crater]

and mr rock hair

lol

[spiral tree]

Viola is bug not fairy

[final crater]

like idk if i had to choose id say

oh

oops

okay fair

[rare cloak]

Lmao

[spiral tree]

Valerie is fairy spamton gjinka

[final crater]

but grant is still wrong

i think korrina is a bit better on that front

because shes just a skater idk

[spiral tree]

but doesn't Valerie look like a spamton gjinka????

[final crater]

whereas grants got literal rocks in there

[final crater]

ehhhhh

[spiral tree]

spamton neo, should be specific

[final crater]

she just looks like a fairy enjoyer

[rare cloak]

Viola is a good examplw

[final crater]

but yeah viola is certifiably the Camerawoman trainer class

[rare cloak]

She looks like a basic photographer

[echo dawn]

is*

[spiral tree]

Can't wait for Gen 12 to finally remake Gen 6

[rare cloak]

grant just looks a dancer trainer class

korrina is just a skater trainer class

clemont is just a nerd

[echo dawn]

I mean
Brock is just a guy

[rare cloak]

ramos is just an old man with green clothes

yeah thats why he's a gym leader

[final crater]

define

mans got rocks in there

also clemonts got all the arms

super nerds just have robo pikachus

[echo dawn]

Clemont is great

[spiral tree]

I don't see rocks I see more of them being M&Ms

[rare cloak]

anyways

every kalos gym leader sucks

kalos in general sucks

[spiral tree]

yeah, they had 3 pokemon each

[knotty path]

I mean you can use these excuses for any gym leader. Blaine is just a scientist. Bugsy is just a bugcatcher trainer class. Roxanne is just a teacher.

[spiral tree]

also Valerie should have gotten a gen 2 fairy pokemon (Granbull, Azumarill, or Togekiss) because she's from Johto

[rare cloak]

wait

why doesnt she have one then wtf

[echo dawn]

Whats her name from gen 8 is just an old lady, fire guy is just an old man, ect

You can do this with everyone

[rare cloak]

you really cant

[final crater]

kalos is... mildly unfinished

in that it kinda missed the third game train

[knotty path]

Crasher Wake is just a wrestler. Allister is just an emo kid.

[final crater]

for some reason or other

[rare cloak]

you can do it without the people having defining features

[final crater]

and thus doesnt have all its content

like lets start bitching about diamond and pearl huh

ooooh its so slow ooooh no fire types

and then plat fixed that

[rare cloak]

ok

[final crater]

if there was a plat for xy nobody would care

psa over

[spiral tree]

I think with DP and XY you can make excuses, DP was the first on the DS and XY was the first 3d, but yeah Z def should have been a thing

[rare cloak]

i want a giant pokemon

like a literal giant

not 'oh its a big pokemon' i want a GIANT pokemon with arms and legs and a bald head and shit

[spiral tree]

imagine that for a Don Quixote inspired parallel pokemon

[echo dawn]

golurk

[rare cloak]

Flying fighting

Cause windmills

Lmao

Imagine you look up and there's a 50 foot tall giant flying at you with windmill blades on its back lmao

e

[icy forge]

Sounds like regional Wailord (?)

[rare cloak]

sounds like regular wailord lmao

wailord light as hell

if they were to do a regional form for wailord

they should make it rock flying type

make it just as light as before

but rocks

so now theres a rock whale flying in the sky

[barren schooner]

Could even have lore such as it beeing mistaken for a flying island

[warm egret]

I saw a leak on YouTube where Sprigatito's final form is literally called Bipetal

And there was a theory that said it was going to be based on Spanish dancers

and dancing on four paws is kind of tough

So I have many reasons to believe it will be bipedal

Unless they change its design to satisfy fans, which is unlikely

[final crater]

mmh

[icy forge]

The name Bipetal…is very direct 😅

[final crater]

1. probably bull

if youre talking about flamenco dancers

i have. doubts

as in i saw someone try that and they straight up stuck flame in the Grassstarters name

they arent that stupid

[warm egret]

but that is possible

Talonflame

[final crater]

the grass starter

shit sorry my error

i uh

muscle memory?

i mean

they made sprig's final evo

have

flame

in the name

and be just

[warm egret]

Maybe a dual?

[final crater]

an flamenco dancer

nope

even besides that

honest opinion

fuck starters whose whole gimmick and basis is just

"guys look i made him have the two starter types ecks dee!!!!

[warm egret]

They have the power to change designs though

Do you remember the Johto starters?

[icy forge]

Flamenco name dont have nothing with Flame but with a name that have gypsie people

[warm egret]

look at that not-bayleef

[icy forge]

Also I hope they reserved the Flamenco Dancer for a Flamingo…or a regional Gardevoir

[warm egret]

Flaminco, I like that pun

It could be fire/water

[final crater]

it doesnt matter if in flamenco its not flame

but in the name of a grass starter putting flame in there

like theres not really a way to get away from that

[warm egret]

Yeah, it's a little misleading

[final crater]

"little"

[icy forge]

Yes…But he say the name is Bipetal

[warm egret]

Could we get Legendary Beast variants?

Poison Suicune, Ghost Entei and Steel Raikou

[surreal shell]

reminds of oricorio baile style

[final crater]

honestly i think thats bull too

tbh if i was handed five fake leaks for gen 9 i think id at least look for one with spanish roots in the name first

[icy forge]

Exactly. I would love a regional evolution of that Oricorio

[knotty path]

The funny thing is the word Flamingo does have relevance to flame- it literally means "flame colored." but Flamenco has different etymology.

Apparently stems from something akin to "like a gypsy"

[icy forge]

Also is funny that the scientific name of Flamingo is Phoeni/coptera

[knotty path]

And something to do with a place called Flanders

[final crater]

i mean theyre very pink

i could see that being redlikeflame in the right light

[this makes "flameingo" fakemons even more on the nose]

[read: the ones where its just a flamingo but hes on fire]

[echo dawn]

Why do flamingo when you can do Faemingo

[final crater]

lack of creativity

presumably when you make "flamingo but orange" into "flamingo but orange but i made him pink" iits just a bit too much

[echo dawn]

I really just meant the pun being better but ok

[small shoal]

Denied of the funny

[final crater]

i was denied the funnny as a child, and ever since i have moonlighted as the UNFUNNIER

[small shoal]

NOOOOOOOOO

[final crater]

in my costume of a monochromatic clown suit, i villainously destroy ANY chance of laughing, chuckling, or giggling at comedic events!

[instantly shot by a not-joker expy]

[small shoal]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO WHY

[final crater]

[as my corpse bleeds out on the floor, my essence makes your entire life... tragically unfunny]

[patent rivet]

I now realize my life is not a comedy… it’s a tragedy

[south trellis]

it's both

[worn cobalt]

Fun fact, the history of the words/play types of comedy and tragedy meant having a character who behaved beyond societal standards. For example, in a comedy, the character behaved worse than would be considered normal, and we find humor in the dichotomy. Conversely, the character in a tragedy behaved better than societal norms, so you mourned their heartbreaks and trials.

Also, to make it relevant, something something Fuecoco's final will likely be quadrapedal to prevent direct comparisons to Feraligatr, but yet will have key similarities that not comparing them would be impossible.

TLDR: I'm a nerd, and I don't have useful things to contribute.

[patent rivet]

Society

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/joker-gif-15292392

[icy forge]

We can share here “Leaks”?

[gusty lynx]

final evolution of sprigatito confirmed

they got tired of people debating if it should be bipedal or not so they just gave it stilts

they chose "All of the above"

[echo dawn]

Okay but what if Sprigatito was actually a ringmaster circus leader on stilts and everything

[warm egret]

There is another leak saying Sprigatito will have a bipedal evolution

I'm ready to accept it, but please, do it well

Find a way to make Sprigatito bipedal without it looking too human

[late tendon]

I don't believe any leaks right now, it's too early

I remember people leaking a lot about armor evos when gen 8 was announced

[echo dawn]

sword evos and armor evos

copy and past a sword into their hands or mouths

[vestal aurora]

Lmao the doggos but literally any other mon

[icy forge]

Something like this could be cool

[hardy totem]

Yeah, it is way to early for those kinds of leaks, wait about two months. 😄

[warm egret]

But there is a theory about the trailer footage that hints to Sprigatito evolving into a dancer

And it's hard to unbelieve it

[final crater]

guys look at this official sprigatito evo art i found [my dad works at nintendo as the class pet]

[warm egret]

Coincidence, my cousin's best friend's brother also works at Nintendo as the other class pet, and he found this Jynx regional form

[modest jasper]

oh shoot

GF remembers jynx exists

[warm egret]

(In case that looks racist, that's not the intention, I can delete it if it looks like a stereotype or something)

(I don't want to be involved in controversies)

[final crater]

nah they just look sunburnt

[hardy totem]

Ooo, could you tell me about it? And what of the other starters?

[final crater]

like the whole "redskin" football thing wasnt talking about lobster red

[warm egret]

Quaxly is Don Quixote and Fuecoco is a dragon, I think

[warm egret]

They remembered this one too, which is probably going to be featured in Pokémon Legends Mew, coming in 2024

[echo dawn]

chocolate bunny porygon

[warm egret]

It's a rock type

[modest jasper]

oh no more kanto games :notlikethis:

[final crater]

rocks fall, everyone dies

[hardy totem]

Neat! 😄

[warm egret]

Don't worry, Legends Mew will not be just Kanto, it will be Kanto and Johto, because in the past, they were one region

[late tendon]

grass type Zeraora

[echo dawn]

I could see Sprigatito becoming a bandit of sorts, or even a robinhood thing

[final crater]

honestly they might as well be one [estranged] region in canon

yknow, east KANTOOOOO and west KANTOOOOO

[worn cobalt]

East and west Shizoro or something random, because apparently having the same name as modern region name isn't a thing (looking at you, Hisui).

[final crater]

that might be nice honestly

like all jokes aside

id take it over legends unova

[mainly because it seems... mildly sus]

[worn cobalt]

Legends Kalos would be interesting if set during/before/just after the great war.

[final crater]

yeah maybe

idk something about mucking around in not-america's poke-past feels like itd go badly to me

[worn cobalt]

I'd love one set just before the great war, where the great war breaks out and you have to battle to defend a village or two and work to end the war.

[final crater]

yeah that seems legit

maybe not quite in the middle of the war itself

but more the tension and skirmishes that time before a given war has

they dont just pop out of nowhere, usually

[worn cobalt]

granted, with current world affairs, it may be like a century until Game Freak would even dare approach putting the war actually in a game

[worn cobalt]

I imagine it as more tangential to the main conflicts, where you are involved in defending against raids and you are sent as emissary between the factions to negotiate peace.

[final crater]

thats why im so sus about a legends unova

[forest egret]

A unova one would probably be about the conflict between the 2 princes, and the splitting of the original dragon. It'd tie into the whole theme of Truth vs Ideals that BW had going

[final crater]

... fair

[fickle birch]

And day/night branched starter evolutions in Gen VII (which would have been really cool). 🙂

[fickle birch]

The only problem is it was 3000 years ago, so Poké Balls in any form wouldn't be a thing (though Legends Retconned the whole "Poké Balls are 50 years old" thing, so who cares anymore). 😅

[forest egret]

It seems that they have ways of taming pokemon though, so if the franchise wanted to deviate from the pokeball system a little they totally could

[fickle birch]

I'd be more than happy for them to do that. 😄

[worn cobalt]

They have shown various versions of PokeBalls in the games and anime representing different eras of mankind. I'd personally love seeing Pokeballs made of a crystal or something. I'd also be intrigued by the "They were more advanced than we thought" line of thinking, similar to how we view the ancient Egyptians.

Also, Fuecoco, because this isn't the Legends channel. Goodness, that game takes over everything.

[worn cobalt]

I just had a thought (and it would have to be for a spinoff game like Legends or Let's Go or something), but a game where you have a single starter that has branched evolutions would be cool. Something between Wurmple and Eevee. So, ultimately 3 stage, and lets say it starts out pure normal. At level 8 or so, learns Leafage, Ember, and Bubble. At level 16, it evolves into one of 4 Pokemon, depending on which of the elemental moves you used most (or, if you used them all equally, the fourth one). Stage 2 would be Normal/Element type, and then the continue and evolve into stage three Element/Dual type.

As an example, here are some lines:
A. Normal > Normal/Grass > Grass/Dark
B. Normal > Normal/Fire > Fire/Ghost
C. Normal > Normal/Water > Water/Steel
D. Normal > Normal/Dragon > Dragon/Electric

I don't know, something along those lines would be cool. (Typings were arbitrarily selected; and, if it was a game after they introduce a new type, they could replace my Dragon line in option D with that type).

[hardy totem]

Egypt you say~? 0w0

[icy forge]

Branched evolution for starter would be amazing. Something like Dartrix evolving into Decidueye or Hisuian Decidueye, same Pokemon but different gameplay

Oh, Egypt

I could have my beloved grass crocodile starter

[final crater]

i get the idea here but i feel like that might lead to... issues

for example, the whole of the region needing to be balanced around "but if too many of x type then starter will be forced to use y a bunch

[viral fable]

the game is based on where im from (Iberic Peninsula) AND I CANT PLAY THE DAMN GAME CAUSE I DONT OWN A SWITCH

[final crater]

"or to spam leafage on rattatatatatatas"

like im kinda envisioning tyrogue but even more whining on your local social medias

... itd just be easier to straight up hadn you an eevee, because then you can choose without needing to go

"aw gosh, gotta use baby doll eyes 100 times

[worn cobalt]

Still would be easier than Tyrogue, but I see what you mean.

[final crater]

"because im gonna have to use the moves that actually work on the next leader"

[final crater]

tyrogues pretty easy tho

buy vitamin

use vitamin

dont beat up wild golems or something

"easier" in postgame for this starter theory, maybe

but the game built around it just seems unfun in a theoretical

like you cant have a big area with loads of waters or something because then your starter is basically forced to either not gain much exp from any fights by not participating or they have to evolve to the grass

or a forest like viridian because then the fire is overly prioritized

you creat ea bunch of samey areas and trainers with that starter idea

is what im saying

because you cant afford to have "variety" in the way of having less variety

if that makes senes

[worn cobalt]

First area could have more neutral mons, such as Rattata, Poochyena, and what have you. The challenge would be in making sure you get the rare 4th form.

[final crater]

ehhh

so your only options as a dev then are

normal type spam

or like

every trainers gotta have things for all four moves to be used on

idk it just seems unreasonable for everyone

... hell, gale of darkness literally gives you an eevee to evolve as you see fit

that works

because they let you choose its evolution

without any obfuscation

its not like they go "oh you caught entei first, guess your eevees a flareon now <3"

or even

"oh your eevee used bite a lot, guess its umbreon now <3]

they just give you the stone

[worn cobalt]

Well, there are only 3 moves, and we have hundreds of beginner type mons that don't have weakness or resistance to those types.

[final crater]

there is a reason why all the gimmick evo styles

are not starters

so you just spam generic begginer mons

sounds real fun

then you dont have a reason to use those moves

beyond "because i have to in order to evolve"

the opposite issue from before

[worn cobalt]

Also, hence why it would be a spinoff. Not mainline material

[final crater]

because that design means

you cant use any of your starter moves super effectively

which is not fun for the more obvious reaosn

in that hitting an opponent hard with your knowledge... is nice

[fickle birch]

Alternatives primarily came from the anime. Apricorn Balls were said to be the original balls, with Drayden (now that Legends exists, wrongly) saying that Poké Balls didn't exist when he was a kid. 😅

[fickle birch]

For a spin-off, it'd be a decent idea. 🙂

Anything to alter the core gameplay formula a little more. Colosseum having Espeon and Umbreon as your starters was similarly cool. 😄

[echo dawn]

Maybe he’s just that old

He was the mighty sinnoh the whole time

[fickle birch]

I mean, if Kyoshi from Avatar can live to be 230, Drayden could be like 200 and we wouldn't know. 😂

[echo dawn]

With how blasted he is, he has to be at least 100

Spent his entire life to get that Jojo part 3 physique

[worn cobalt]

Drayden is secretly an aspect of Arceus in human form. Which would then make the whole PokeBall thing make sense...

[limpid depot]

Drayden's my god, but a literal god he probably isn't lol

[tough cove]

Wait

What?

She was 230 years old?

[fickle birch]

She is, yeah. Mostly due to a maths error from the creators. 😅

[knotty path]

eh yeah but they did write it into canon and alluded to possible in-story reasons for it

so it's fine

[fickle birch]

Oh yeah it's 100% canon, but the in-story reasons are them writing themselves out of the hole their maths error put them into. 😂

[white jungle]

Holy fuck I thought no one had considered immortal Drayden except me

I'll throw in this, because I went crazy on this guy a month or so ago:

Despite being a really old guy (even disregarding the supposedly impossible century he must have lived already), he doesn't look old, he just has white hair

Which would mean nothing, but our canon knowledge of what immortality looks like in Pokémon is King AZ

A guy who doesn't look ancient

And has completely white hair, despite having previously been a brunette

This is especially interesting given that Gen 5 and 6 were right next to eachother, and both have pasts based in medieval-themed kingdoms

Am I saying Drayden is immortal, or that it's even plausible? No, it's 100% just Nintendo forgetting stuff

But I am saying that it's the good ending, and it's the only thing I'll choose to believe

[rare cloak]

but what if they did it on purpose and now we're getting POKEMON LEGENDS GENESECT/VICTINI/IDFC WHICH POKEMON

actually nah kyurem

that would make more sense

but still we could just straight up meet the actual drayden

just hundreds of years before

[south trellis]

Leaks: ||this is the new persian form they’re doing this gen, dunno how to feel||

[rare cloak]

no

[meager oasis]

omg

bingus espeon

[ripe thunder]

No, this is this gen Persian

[rare cloak]

tf are you talking about

that isnt the new persian

thats sprigatito's final evo

you can tell because its bipedal

[ripe thunder]

No, this Persian pre-evo is just the boots

[late tendon]

I hope Meowth gets a new evo or Persian gets a new form/evo, I like how Meowth started representing different breeds of cats

Unlike dogs, some cats are so similar that having forms of one mon can be better than having new mons for each breed

[white jungle]

I was so desperately hoping Meowth would get a new regional every generation

Then Legends had to screw up

[slim tartan]

nah nah meowth has a regional variant in legends

its a ghost type one

which is always invisible so u just cant see it

[wanton idol]

loving the new meowth form

[flint sequoia]

its a catfish

[surreal shell]

no youre wrong it's still a new meowth

[late tendon]

Legends is a spin off so I think it's ok

Especially when cat-like Sneasel got a cat-like regional evo

I hope for a regional Meowth evo in gen 9 tho

[fickle birch]

They showed Kantonian Meowth in the trailer, didn't they? 😮

[late tendon]

Yea but not Persian

It's possible to have regional Persian, Persian's regional evo, both of these, or not Persian at all

[echo dawn]

I was thinking what if we had multiple regionals?

Like is PLA with both Kantonian and Alolan Vulpix

[fickle birch]

That could be possible, yeah. 🙂

[echo dawn]

Or Sneasel

[fickle birch]

Though Space-Time Distortions were responsible for those, weren't they? 😮

[late tendon]

Well, you can get both regular and alolan versions in SwSh too

In kinda same way as in PLA

Npcs give them to you

[fickle birch]

That's different, I reckon. 😅

[echo dawn]

Afterwards A-vulpix van be found in the wild

[fickle birch]

You can't catch both of them. 😢

[late tendon]

Wait really?

[echo dawn]

I think? I havent actually done the quest

[late tendon]

Damn they multiply so fast

Uh

[echo dawn]

But I remember hearing that they did

[late tendon]

Idk, I didn't complete it either

But I never heard about it

[echo dawn]

I guess not? I must be going crazy

[late tendon]

Then I personally don't see much difference between completing a quest to get a Pokemon or trading a Pokemon to get it's regional version

In both cases NPCs give you one Pokemon

[knotty path]

yeah they don't appear in the wild, you just get the one as a gift.

they're pretty popular to trade for on reddit due to only getting one per save file

[rare cloak]

Literally no lmao

Meowth had a g max form

An alolan form

A galatians form

[modest jasper]

and galarian with a special evo

[rare cloak]

Galarian*

And a galarian evo

[modest jasper]

its the new eevee

[rare cloak]

And literally over half of those new meowth forms suck

The alolan meowth line looks stupid

[modest jasper]

all of them suck

[rare cloak]

And g max meowth is also stupid

The galarian ones are decent

[modest jasper]

legit only used persserker on early game steel mono

falls off so hard

[rare cloak]

Man I just want a ghost type eeveelution lmao

[knotty path]

let eevee die please

[white jungle]

The Alolan Meowth line looks like an actual existing cat? And all non-final-evo special forms like Gmax Meowth are a dumb idea spurred on by Fucking Pikachu. Plus Purserker looks fine there's literally nothing wrong with it

[modest jasper]

smash your eevee with a brick then

[knotty path]

it has 8 evolutions we dont need more

[rare cloak]

Dude

The whole point of eevee

Is evolutions

It's the evolution pokemon

You can't have too many evolutions for the literal evolution pokemon

[knotty path]

yes 8 is fucking plenty though

we dont need one for every type lmfao

[rare cloak]

Isn't that the whole point of eevee tho

To have a ton of evolutions

By adapting to different types

[white jungle]

Tbh we probably will get a new Eevee but I really don't care about it anymore. I don't think I've ever used an eeveelution in a main story. I'm completely neutral towards getting new eevees or not because I probably won't want to use them anyway

[knotty path]

having 8 is already special

more is just bloat

and fanservice

which is meh

[flint sequoia]

We haven't gotten a new eevee since a new type was introduced, I doubt we'll get another

[white jungle]

??????

That's backwards thinking

[modest jasper]

pretty sure people only use slyveon/vaporeon by now

[white jungle]

"appealing to fans is meh"

[rare cloak]

So your telling me you don't think any of the eeveelutions look cool @knotty path

[knotty path]

I think they look cool, I think 8 is plenty though

[flint sequoia]

Gen1 appearing over and over again

[knotty path]

I don't thhink it needs more because "hurrdurr what about x type!!!"

[white jungle]

I'd like the eeveelutions more if they had more to them, like megas or even third evolutions for all of them

[rare cloak]

If they look cool, than there's no reason not to make more lol

[white jungle]

Genwunners aren't fans, they're slime

[rare cloak]

The whole point of having new pokemon is to look cool or cute

[knotty path]

not the whole point but sure buddy

[rare cloak]

-_-

[knotty path]

literally any mon can look cute or cool

why does it have to be more eeveelutions lmfao

[rare cloak]

It literally is the whole point

[knotty path]

guys sudowoodo looks cool give me 5 more evos for that!

[modest jasper]

based

[knotty path]

:D

[rare cloak]

The point of a pokemon design

Is to make it appealing