the problem is that bug/fire and bug/grass are horrible types
#pokemon-winds-waves
flint sequoia
signal dagger
bug/water? 
worn cobalt
Surskit and Araquanid poke their heads up.
I once thought of a starter trio final typing that would start 2x then end 4x, but keeping same relative advantages. Grass/Dragon, Fire/Ice, Water/Rock.
flint sequoia
Early game dragon though
opal gull
final crater
idk if team skull or yell are really meant to truly be "misunderstood good guys" per se
ones made by their circumstances and the other is overhyping their idealized challenger
not terribly evil or anything
but maybe not built to rule galar/alola or anythingh
flint sequoia
Team Skull was great, they were a joke but the game treated them as such
Team Yell was... not handled overly well (same with rose)
fickle birch
Yeah, Team Skull was a breath of fresh air. Team Yell was like when you breathe in a fart. 😦
late tendon
I'd say that the new evil team could be an Italian mafia but 1) it was already a thing in Kanto, and 2) it's Spain 
damn, I checked the SwSh trailers date out of curiosity, and the next trailer after the February reveal was in June
sooo long 
fickle birch
There is a Spanish mafia counterpart called Galician clans apparently, could maybe draw inspiration from that. 😅
Could even do something about villains originally from Galar who fled to the new region to avoid punishment (similar to how British criminals flee to Spain). 😂
late tendon
huh
that'd be curious to see
although, we don't even know the theme of these games, so gonna sit and wait for any more news
forest egret
They don't typically theme the teams around the country anyway do they
late tendon
not around the country but by "theme" I mean the plot and what it build around and stuff
late tendon
usually evil teams are directly related to all this
yep
I don't think Hawaii is somehow related to the aliens invasion 
except for lilo and stitch
...HMM
forest egret
America had knights who turn into pirates and have ninjas as their elites
fickle birch
except for lilo and stitch
You know too much. 
stray terrace
idk if team skull or yell are really meant to truly be "misunderstood good guys"...
team skull is still bad
not good guys
just kind of a joke
fickle birch
They're yobs as opposed to an organisation that wants to commit genocide though, so there's that at least. 🙂
fickle birch
Bart Simpson did that and he became a Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, so it can't be all that bad. 😛
final crater
i mean i did say they weren't evil evil
wild lodge
Yeah, Team Skull was a breath of fresh air. Team Yell was like when you breathe ...
haha blaq said the fart word 
south trellis
haha gnose said the fart word 
quiet frost
haha will said the fart word 
tawny willow
what if ,hear me out, there is no evil team this time and no world ending event
barren schooner
So, then the games main story is to... Beat the gyms and be the champion? Hmm yes, a new refreshing story
Although better then saving the world every game
worn cobalt
#KantoStoryline
What if, there is an invasive species of Pokemon (like Rattata in Alola) but instead of hoping it all works out, you are tasked with their extermination?
forest egret
Pokemon SV is just a game where you set rat traps and spray pokemon in the face with repels
worn cobalt
Yes... Repels. That's what they want... (shoves poisons and spears back into bag)
forest egret
Kanto, Johto and arguably the original Sun and Moon didn't have world ending threats, so they can pull stuff off like that
knotty path
It'd have been cool if they went a more full reference with Yungoos's dex entry and implied they were imported to deal with the surge in thieving Rattatas, but due to Yungoos being diurnal and Rattata being nocturnal, it didn't help at all and instead they just became invasive as well lmao. Basically what happened with mongooses in Hawaii itself.
worn cobalt
Yup. Though I suspect Yungoos is from the same region as Copperajah.
south trellis
what if ,hear me out, there is no evil team this time and no world ending event
the last two games’ evil teams were just thugs and a group of guys that obsessed over an underage girl
we got evil organisations now
wanton idol
lets go
forest egret
Diego
forest egret
Boof cat
icy forge
inland bobcat
I like the second one better
the first one like like flamenco dancer cat ready to shred ya
smoky bison
Honestly whenever gamefreak comes up with new Pokemon, they should only ever make the first evos and then release those.
After that, just yoink the fanmade evolutions because whatever the fans come up with is 10x better than the real deal anyway
fickle birch
Yup. Though I suspect Yungoos is from the same region as Copperajah.
Corphish is said to be from another region as well I think, so it'd be nice to see the place it's originally from. 🙂
forest egret
I did not expect a bunch of his dex entries to talk about how badass they are at living
fickle birch
I did not expect a bunch of his dex entries to talk about how badass they are at...
Makes it prime for a regional form too, if it's able to adapt to any environment. 😄
forest egret
I'd love to see more crawdaunt
fickle birch
Me too, it's such a great design. 🙂
stray terrace
What if, there is an invasive species of Pokemon (like Rattata in Alola) but ins...
wow
i get to do my job and then once i'm home i kick back, take off my boots, and do the same job
forest egret
This is how simulator fans live their lives
stray terrace
most simulator players dont do their actual job tho
its okay i love my job and its part of why i like monster hunter
icy forge
I could see a regional and invasive regional form of Drednaw
inland bobcat
After that, just yoink the fanmade evolutions because whatever the fans come up ...
and the fans would happily accept pennies for their design. IF THEY decide to pay
modest jasper
well if they don't pay they are getting into some nasty stuff
inland bobcat
they could chenge it JUUUUST enough not to be a steal
modest jasper
more elaborate tracing?
languid cliff
After that, just yoink the fanmade evolutions because whatever the fans come up ...
nah that’s pretty much always false
south trellis
south trellis
the eye wonk is so much more noticeable
flint sequoia
That's really unsettling
meager oasis
poor sprig has wonky eye
forest egret
I did see a gif of someone making a fix for that. It's honestly not too bad but they could solve it really easily by rotating the eye
uneven badger
forest egret
late tendon
I feel like weed sprigatito memes are the next generation amogus memes
unfunni and annoying 
south trellis
sprigatito has my eyes
wary dragon
https://www.furaffinity.net/view/46173076/ or https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FNQbb-...
This us really cool, but I think this whole line will suck at the end. I hope I am wrong
wary dragon
Makes it prime for a regional form too, if it's able to adapt to any environment...
I mean most species are invasive but dont change. I dont think it was ever ment to look different, but theyd make a regional nowadays. ( Thats also cool tho)
fickle birch
It wasn't ever meant to look different, but the fact that it's able to adapt to any environment makes perfect sense for wacky regional types. 😄
worn cobalt
I'd love to see Corphish as a dual water type and Crawdaunt as dual dark type for regional forms.
fickle birch
Like a Skorupi -> Drapion situation where it's like say Steel/Water but then becomes Steel/Dark? 🙂
modest jasper
but water/steel is such a cool yet criminally underused typing
modest jasper
I always forget crustle isn't bug/ground
meager oasis
this exists
happiness
and no i dont use twitter my friend just showed this to me
fickle birch
Aw, adorable green cat friends. ❤️
modest jasper
knock off espeon rq
knotty path
mocked up some shiny concepts out of boredom, my favorite is honestly the red one
lapis linden
I like the yellow tbh
languid cliff
i prefer the grey
indigo sable
Red one seems best for a Shiny leaf cat. Gives big autumn vibes, strictly the optimal season.
frigid spindle
I think green one is the best shiny
meager oasis
I think green one is the best shiny
good choice
fickle birch
mocked up some shiny concepts out of boredom, my favorite is honestly the red on...
Last one seems the most likely because most Shinies don't change much these days, but the yellow and black and white ones are lovely. Red one's cool too. 😄
patent rivet
It will likely be pretty underwhelming
modest jasper
same can be said about their final forms
knotty path
Yeah I don't think most of them are really likely but I like them anyways
Gold leaf would be funny
late tendon
gold one looks like a real life lion color
fits the possible inspiration
ducky can be colored in black sailor colors
which is basically white and dark blue being swapped
and I'd love to see Fuecoco green cuz it's a croc and a pepper
halapenjo shiny
knotty path
Yeah I was thinking either yellow or green Fuecoco like different peppers
Green will probably look a lot like the croc from the uh
Cut the rope or whatever game
This little dummy
late tendon
I went crazy with this last one
but maybe something like that or a mix of them would be neat
I won't mind something else tho
fickle birch
I love that one on the left. 😄
modest jasper
is the last one chespin colored
late tendon
I wanted to make a black skull but it looks so bad
fickle birch
I want Fuecoco to evolve into Croc. 🙂
Who is pretty much an intentional rip-off of Yoshi.
icy forge
The left Fuecoco reminds me a Mario enemy
south trellis
shat?
knotty path
made some shiny concepts for this as well
I do love the idea of the green one
but bottom left seems most likely, and was also my laziest lmao
spare roost
what him be ursaring green
knotty path
green apples/peppers
south trellis
I don’t like how his tongue changes too
late tendon
I kinda like when tongue's changing
south trellis
but bottom left seems most likely, and was also my laziest lmao
i mean it doesn’t look bad
knotty path
it doesn't but its still kinda boring
funny fire type shifts hue just slightly woo
but that happens a lot with starters so eh
late tendon
although, giving how Pokemon change colors, I feel like teeth will always be the face colored and eyes colors will match claws
cuz usually they don't add more colors, and if some different details have one color, both will change to another same color
I can't think of any exceptions
maybe I'm wrong but that's how I always saw it
knotty path
grimmsnarl uses the same red for its mouth, inner ears, and a marking on its belly, but only the marking on its belly changes color
I'm sure there's other gen 6/7/8 exceptions since they started making shinies by hand rather than mostly through formulas around then
late tendon
actually, the belly marking's color is different
it's pink, while other details are red
I remember cuz I drew it
late tendon
cuz usually they don't add more colors, and if some different details have one c...
they started designing shinies but they still keep up with this formula
now I'm curious and checking the shiny natdex to see if there's any exceptions
so far I only found the case when they reduced the number of colors
Tapus can count too since they give up the shell colors for the body colors
modest jasper
so far I only found the case when they reduced the number of colors <:lie:348223...
I can see it's charm
but eh
knotty path
at least it finally got a shiny
even when hacked into gen 7 it didn't change, though ig that's a smart way to discourage people hacking it in to begin with
small shoal
made some shiny concepts for this as well
the green one reminds me of the bubble dragon
from that one bubble popping game
late tendon
I wanted to say that primal groundon reduces the colors number too but it's body color is sliiightly different from it's belly color
body being totally dark gray and belly being dark brown
buuut anyways, I checked all the gen 6-8 shinies and couldn't found any case when they added more colors
now I can sleep
knotty path
tbh I could just shift the teeth as well it wouldn't change that much about them
same with the eyes
anyways in terms of inspirations we have:
-granny smith/green pepper/om nom from cut the rope
-yellow pepper/golden boi
-"black shinies are so cool!"
-the expected gamefreak hue shift
-chocodile
-red delicious
late tendon
the last one wouldn't look good with dark red claws but gray eyes would be ok
knotty path
I would be happy if fuecoco wasn't just fuego + cocodilla but also a double meaning with cocoa and the line ends up based on cacao pods/hot cocoa/etc
late tendon
damn, I hope they won't make too many black shinies, they always look so cheap if they don't have an inspiration behind them
cuz anything would look good being black or white
knotty path
Chochodile whatever close enough still that'd be a great double meaning
south trellis
chocolate
fickle birch
I miss shinies changing the mouth/tongue color on some mons
Me too, I like it when every hue changes, which usually includes and shades of white like on your Shinies here. I love the black and blue one, if it does become a Ghost-type to play off ghost peppers, I hope this is the Shiny they go with. 😄
I always make a couple of custom Shinies when working on sprites for Smogon, I did a black and blue Shiny for Cinderace. 🙂
knotty path
I did shiny concepts of the gen 8 starters when they first leaked too:
I do shiny concepts every time new mons drop
well most of the time
flint sequoia
blue shinies are always cool
knotty path
oh I did a second batch of sobbles too lmao
idk I still have to do shiny ideas for the uh
water duck dude
but water type shinies are what I struggle with the most honestly
little whale
How about a green and brown colored duck
Like the Mallard Duck that's the same colors
echo dawn
Purple sewage duck.
late tendon
I'd still like to see a black sailor duck
icy forge
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocollona Posible origin of Fuecoco
Blue and Black Scorebunny are amazing
fickle birch
I did shiny concepts of the gen 8 starters when they first leaked too:
Nice! I like your third Scorbunny, last Grookey and purple Sobble duo. These were my Shinies for the trio. 😄
twin trail
made some shiny concepts for this as well
that black one is perfection
twin trail
anyways in terms of inspirations we have:
-granny smith/green pepper/om nom fro...
damn fell right into that one-
rare cloak
so im bored so im just gonna put a list of kanto pokemon that haven't gotten any special treatment that could get new regional forms for sv
Beedrill
Pidgeot
Fearow
Arbok
Nidoqueen/king (though it's unlikely since they're a pair)
Clefable
Wigglytuff
Crobat
Vileplume (also unlikely since its kind of a pair with Bellossom)
Parasect (unlikely cause parasect sucks lmao)
Venomoth
Golduck
Primeape (unlikely cause Pokemon has just completely forgotten about Primeape both in game and in the anime. F's for Ash's Primeape)
Poliwrath
Alakazam
Victreebell
Tentacruel
Dodrio
Dewgong
Cloyster (though unlikely cause I'm sure Pokemon doesn't want to be reminded of their pour design choices)
Onix
Hypno (make it a dark type holy crap it literally abducts children)
The Hitmon's (unlikely because there's three of them)
Kangaskhan
Seaking
Starmie
Jynx (unlikely)
Pinsir
Tauros (minotauros lol)
Gyarados
Lapras
Ditto (the most unlikely here)
New Eeveelution (i personally want a dragon type)
Kabutops/Omastar/Aerodactyl (fossil pokemon so really really unlikely)
Dragonite
cause sv is gonna have regional forms from kanto
like 100%
the one i want most is a regional form for Arbok
cause i like arbok
final crater
honestly i feel like hypno is probably the end result of one [1] hypno kidnapping kids and then extrapolating
like sharks
rare cloak
yeah lmao
rare cloak
they could also pull a meowth on us
i swear if they give another regional form to fucking meowth im gonna cry
final crater
plus kidnapping or no kidnapping i imagine dream eating is mildly awkward pose-wise
like you try and eat dreams with your nose without lookin creepy
modest jasper
i swear if they give another regional form to fucking meowth im gonna cry
didnt you know? meowth is the new eevee
modest jasper
meowth is on anime
rare cloak
ok and
rare cloak
its had 2 regional forms
south trellis
if they give meowth another regional I'm honestly there for it
modest jasper
yes but they can keep milking it lmao
south trellis
next thing we know we're gonna get meowther
final crater
although clearly the thing getting 20 regionals should be a bird instead
like have you seen fancy chickens or pigeons
rare cloak
yes but they can keep milking it lmao
then why not milk eevee its eevee they can just keep giving more eeveelutions till their out of types
then they can just start making more types
'sound type' or some shit
final crater
you see
unlike most fangames
gamefreak isnt that stupid
[yes, this includes sound type]
rare cloak
sound should be a type ;-;
modest jasper
hell no
final crater
mate
rare cloak
that would immediately fit sound type
final crater
its a category
are contact types the new hot thing
maybe bullet types
or ball types
rare cloak
-_-
modest jasper
then why not milk eevee its eevee they can just keep giving more eeveelutions ti...
because eevee isnt on the anime
so you cant make team rocket meowth meet regional meowth
final crater
[every time i hear sound type suggested it hurts]
knotty path
Baller type let's go?
final crater
[esp when normal type is sound type]
[its the catchall]
[alongside being code type, etc]
rare cloak
normal type is for NORMAL pokemon
knotty path
Something something "light type" something something "cosmic type"
final crater
normal type is for NORMAL pokemon
like porygon
rare cloak
pokemon entirely based on normal animals or things
modest jasper
sound type should never exist so boomburst can be used for -ate mons
rare cloak
like ursaring
final crater
like porygon
rare cloak
like porygon
make a data or cyber type or whatever
rare cloak
and besides, computer data is normal stuff
final crater
that "oh its for normal thingsONLY"
rare cloak
therefore porygon is normal
knotty path
Every time I hear any type ideas it's just generally bad lmao
final crater
Every time I hear any type ideas it's just generally bad lmao
yes
rare cloak
god is a normal thing for people to believe in
rare cloak
therefore arceus is normal type
rare cloak
but sound is
how lmao
final crater
and sound ISNT a normal thing???
modest jasper
Every time I hear any type ideas it's just generally bad lmao
factual
tired drum
Lol
final crater
like hells bells
rare cloak
is fire a normal thing?
final crater
it tears out
final crater
quite a few important stabs
rare cloak
yes it is
final crater
like fuck bug types
final crater
they dont get bug buzz
rare cloak
yes it is
final crater
yeah you know what fuck this
rare cloak
are bugs a normal thing?
final crater
you clearly dont give a shit
rare cloak
YES
final crater
bye
modest jasper
i assume you are bellow the age of 13 now
modest jasper
hi 12 now
knotty path
Just become Pokemon Wack and add a hundred new types and everyone is happy because their crappy idea became Canon
rare cloak
and im now assuming your 5
knotty path
Ez
tired drum
Hi now assuming your 5
meager oasis
🐆
tired drum
Cheeto
final crater
cheeto
meager oasis
what’s happening here
final crater
what’s happening here
sounds
rare cloak
a bunch of 5 year olds making 5 year old jokes
tired drum
Sound type is bad
knotty path
Gotta have my "wood" type because reee grass isn't enough, and muh "magic" type because psychic isn't enough, and "cyber" type because "there's like a dozen things that could fit that!"
final crater
aka eclipse mad that normal is sound type
modest jasper
and apparently im the young one
hi the young one
tired drum
Dude I want Crab Type
final crater
Dude I want Crab Type
craaaaaaab
rare cloak
aka eclipse mad that normal is sound type
there isnt a sound type
modest jasper
crab type sounds incredible tbh
knotty path
Crab people
rare cloak
no
final crater
but i get that reading is hard
tired drum
Yes
rare cloak
it isnt
final crater
< 3
knotty path
tired drum
And sound
knotty path
Let's get back on the crab type hype train
rare cloak
sound type doesnt exist
final crater
god forbid a type define multiple things
tired drum
Let's get back on the crab type hype train
Yooo
final crater
quick, lets add solar type
modest jasper
its a sound based move
knotty path
rare cloak
quick, lets add solar type
fairy
modest jasper
Let's get back on the crab type hype train
agreed
rare cloak
its a sound based move
but its still normal type
tired drum
Kingler buff for crab type
tired drum
Why have you flipped your argument
modest jasper
you know hyper voice is blocked by soundproof right
final crater
lesson learned
rare cloak
you know hyper voice is blocked by soundproof right
that doesnt make it sound type
final crater
you know hyper voice is blocked by soundproof right
thats because move categories exist but shhh
meager oasis
Maybe we should calm down and talk about something else
final crater
Maybe we should calm down and talk about something else
but how will he be contrary without an argument to whine about
he will starve in the cold winte
tired drum
Me when move categories
final crater
r]
modest jasper
~~thats because move categories exist but shhh~~
exactly but this 12 year old cant understand that
rare cloak
alright 5 year old
tired drum
Alright now assuming your 5
final crater
guy thinks he wins argument by being more exaggerated than the other guy, more news at 11
tired drum
Guy thinks he wins by aggressively agreeing with the opposition
rare cloak
he has the mind of a 5 year old
knotty path
I don't think a new type would add anything to the meta anyways. Fairy was a good addition to balance out Dragon as well as give a small buff to types that were almost solely defensive. I don't see what any new additions would give in terms of balance.
tired drum
True
rare cloak
a new type doesnt have to be included just to make the gameplay more fair
final crater
I don't think a new type would add anything to the meta anyways. Fairy was a goo...
plus the fae have enough substance and variation to split off into their own thing without repeating 20 times
modest jasper
just changing the already existing ones is more than enough tbh
knotty path
No, but it should be a factor
rare cloak
thats like saying mega evolution was shit
modest jasper
if needed
knotty path
Not just because hurrdurr type woo
rare cloak
No, but it should be a factor
it was def a factor in mega evolutions lmao
tired drum
thats like saying mega evolution was shit
How
final crater
guy who misunderstands mega evolutions, more news at 11
[im not going to try to explain now for obvious reasons, but trust me they do make some sense]
knotty path
Mega Evolution was by far the most balanced gimmick we've had since gimmicks became a thing, I don't see the comparison though.
rare cloak
do you guys not know what sarcasm is
final crater
do you guys not know what sarcasm is
no
tired drum
no
final crater
because you just keep going on about but sound good
so youve poes lawed yourself into a corner
rare cloak
didnt we change subject
rare cloak
please just stop insulting me just to be a asshole
because thats all you've been doing
rare cloak
as well as just being blatantly rude for no reason
tired drum
Bye beespoob
rare cloak
i put my opinion out there and BOOM i have 5 people insulting me for saying sound type could be interesting
knotty path
I mean I never got my question answered so there's not much for me to continue with
But eh
Anyways I'd like to see new Eeveelutions maybe, always thought Sylveon should've gotten at least a counterpart like past additions but it seems unlikely. Can't wait to see brand new evo lines though
I'm sure Spain and the likes have a lot of potential inspiration for concepts
meager oasis
Bug type eeveelutionnnnnnnn
knotty path
Would honestly like to see more new branch evo lines, like Ralts line and such
Always thought they were cool
final crater
also i feel like by this point the eeveelutions kinda do follow the "all eeveelution types = special in earlier gens"
so dragons the only really plausible one
modest jasper
like solrock/lunatone and claydol
knotty path
True
final crater
eh
i feel like an evo requires... expansion of an idea
solrock/lunatone and claydol are done on their ideas
knotty path
A dragon one would've been cool for Sylveon counterpart
final crater
theyre fit more for maybe a mega [exaggeration of an idea]
or for a gmax [thing but he real big]
gmaxes also fit pokemon like wormadam or rotom best imo
because of things like appletun/flapple or all the alcremies going into one big guy
while megas never had that
knotty path
I.. Really dislike the gmax and dmax concept
modest jasper
solrock/lunatone and claydol are done on their ideas
could get something like obstagoon i guess
final crater
im not saying its good
im saying
in terms of Things
that they fit best
for that type of thing
knotty path
It just feels way less balanced than pervious gimmicks 
final crater
... and also megas rn are kinda broken for regionals lol
you can theoretically mega a galar slowbro into slowbro-mega
modest jasper
balance? gmax/dmax? those 2 dont fit together
final crater
because the code only checks dex number
rare cloak
dragon, steel, poison, fighting, bug, flying, ghost, ground, rock are all the ones left for eevee evolutions, the only 'special types' i can see would be dragon and ghost
knotty path
They'd have to edit the code or just not have regional forms show up in the game
meager oasis
I love z moves
final crater
could get something like obstagoon i guess
this requires a regional lunatone
obstagoon only gets away with it by adding a new theme to expand
meager oasis
cuz of all the cool buffs when you use status z moves
knotty path
Ghost was originally physical
modest jasper
halloween lunatone :hyper:
rare cloak
Ghost was originally physical
yupppp
final crater
but yeah personally i do feel like quite a few mons just. dont need evolutions
and that adding them is forcing it
like the ideas over. you just get a gesbiga or an unattached mon
modest jasper
understandable
knotty path
I remember this fake gen 7 leak that had regional Solrock and Lunatone forms that had similar concepts to Minior
Hold on
final crater
and at the same time you need to be able to exaggerate an idea properly for megas
modest jasper
i just wanted to see some older mons still being usable today
final crater
i.e. charizard megas emphasizing sides of his nature
like lets say
kecleon
id go for a gmax
because both tongue joke
and his idea doesnt work with the other two
Bigger Chameleon is a bad idea for an evo
and a mega... any exaaggeration of his chameleonism feels like itd wind up like one of those really bad fan mgas
you know the ones
with all the extra frills to hide the innate flaws of the idea
so just making him real big and exaggerating surface level things works best
if that makes sense
knotty path
modest jasper
and a mega... any exaaggeration of his chameleonism feels like itd wind up like ...
"justaddspikes" megas?
knotty path
That was the fake leak concept and I liked it a lot tbh
final crater
"justaddspikes" megas?
garchomps a bad mega
for many reasons
including that he technically is in a worse tier than his base form
most megas beyond some of the frills do follow what i said
even if what theyre exaggerating maybe isnt immediately obvious
knotty path
Yeah that makes sense tbh. It's like how a lot of fan designed evos for newly revealed things end up as like
"just bigger"
knotty path
They don't really exaggerate a theme or push a concept
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and i think beyond a in company guide im pretty damn close to the ideas behind each
which is why seeing bad fan megas / evos and all that is so annoying lmao
and to make the evo thing clear, lets use a mon which has both
blipbug
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I love the ones that bring forward an interesting concept and give it personality and interest
final crater
antenna > signals > ufo
knotty path
There was one I saw earlier hold on
meager oasis
I feel like it looks too similar to feraligatr
knotty path
Yeah, but he has a lot of personality and a fun theme which made it catch my eye
Solidarity's concepts were pretty good too
knotty path
Er not Solidarity, uhh
Subjectively
They had some interesting ideas, even if they aren't likely
final crater
99 bottles of "making the crocodile not a crocodile" on the wall
flint sequoia
https://imgur.com/inZjIhK
the bottom two look a lot like minior's forms
knotty path
That was the concept yes
I mean there's no guarantee it stays solely croc inspiration, we've seen things evolve and go different directions before, but it'll probably stick with some resemblance
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https://youtu.be/7k-8EZV2VOQ
hEy gUyS lOoK iTs a hOrSe tHe zOdIaC tHeOrY iS sTiLl rEaL
modest jasper
shut
modest jasper
people that belive on the zodiac theory are much less annoying than people that dunk on it
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omfg
i genuinely hate you
i say one sentence
as a obvious joke
and your immediately insulting me
can you for once NOT be passive aggressive and take a joke?
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people that belive on the zodiac theory are much less annoying than people that ...
once again, the only point in you saying this was to be an asshole
meager oasis
A snake crocodile thing would be pretty cool
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but if it were to be a snake, it'd probably have to be dragon which wouldn't work with the type matchups unless all the starters end up as dragon types
which honestly who is gonna be like 'hey i want a dragon water quaxly'
forest egret
A snake doesn't inherently have to be a dragon, there's plenty of non-dragon snakes
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yeah but yknow serpents and all
forest egret
It'd all depend on what the starter actually is
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but honestly i either want entirely dragon starters are fuecoco to become ghost fire
and sprigatito to become a saber toothed tiger
on four feet
forest egret
Ghost pepper fuecoco seems cool, that's sorta the direction I'm assuming they'll take but we'll see
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especially with the 'mask' it has on
ghost pepper fuecoco with day of the dead mask
also fuecoco is adorable
modest jasper
just hoping we get a grass/fire that is not fuecoco
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i made a grass fire beedrill randomly a year ago i think it turned out alright here i think i have a picture of it
Didn't base it off anything I just kinda went for it
icy forge
pastel lark
People would hate, but love this sprigatito
icy forge
I am very excited with these new trio of Starter: Many possibilities
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People would hate, but love this sprigatito
nope
we would all hate it
i want a saber toothed tiger
aka a QUADRAPED
pastel lark
But i don't mind it ring bipedal
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we dont want another incineroar
pastel lark
What a friend for my cinderace
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-_-
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honestly the last few generations are making the starters look more humanoid then they should
i want starters like gen 1 where they have humanoid-esque features, but they mainly look like animals
inteleon
cinderace
rillaboom
they all have pretty defining human characteristics
modest jasper
nono they are humans with suits
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and then incineroar
and decidueye
even primarina has humanoid characteristics
greninja
chesnaught even
and fucking DELPHOX-
the last starter that wasnt on two legs was samurott
modest jasper
and its a bad one at that
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which one is that-
bruh
its an otter
like before kalos half the starters were quadraped and the other half was two legged
which is what it should be
forest egret
I would argue Rillaboom wasn't as human as Cinderace or Inteleon
modest jasper
well even if monke is an excuse
gen4 fire monke still felt more animal than rilla
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like pokemon started out as sorta mixs between humanoid and animal, mostly animal
and then slowly got rid of all that animal till everything is a furry
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yeah but they dont need to make the STARTERS furries
just add like a furry or two per gen
thats fine
i dont want my starter to be a furry
pastel lark
Inteleon is not that bad
pastel lark
Nah
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inteleon isnt the worst but its easily the second worst
meager oasis
Rillaboom is my favourite starter of all starters
modest jasper
who is worse than inteleon?
meager oasis
I like monkey pokemon for some reason idk why
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delphox
modest jasper
ehh
pastel lark
Delphox is weird but not horrible
modest jasper
at least delphox isnt that skinny
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it literally has clothes made of its own hair
modest jasper
inteleon on the other hand is nothing but
a person on a skin suit
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it has ear hair jutting out of its ears
pastel lark
Thwackey
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inteleon
pastel lark
Since big grookey
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im kinda convinced you've only played sword and shield
pastel lark
i only played to bw
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bruh
meager oasis
I love grookey and Rillaboom but thwackey just looks so weird lol
lapis linden
I enjoyed most starters lol
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anyways the only fully evolved starters i dont like are delphox, inteleon, emboar, and empoleon
meager oasis
Emboars my 2nd fav starter
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your weird
lapis linden
I liked Inteleon lol
meager oasis
of course I am I love green shinies
lapis linden
of course I am I love green shinies
Some green shines look good though lol
pastel lark
I think my top 3 is
meager oasis
Some green shines look good though lol
Except I love ALL of them
All the vibrant eyesore ones
lapis linden
Huh
meager oasis
Brionne is cute
lapis linden
I liked the popplio line
pastel lark
I love the entire of popplio line
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and then the ones that i dont dislike but i dont really like are meganium, chesnaught, and serperior
pastel lark
Meganium and serperior are close tops for me
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oh and primarina and rillaboom
modest jasper
i really hate the popplio line
meager oasis
My least favourite starters are probably like charizard and blaziken
modest jasper
only gen7 starter im neutral agaisnt is deci
meager oasis
and no I don’t hate charizard because overrated I just don’t like it’s design
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only gen7 starter im neutral agaisnt is deci
how are you only neutral
its amazing honestly
pastel lark
I think maybe emboar and sceptile are the ones i dislike
meager oasis
Infernape is probably the only monkey pokemon I dislike
lapis linden
The lowest one for me is the mudkip line lol
pastel lark
Treecko was my favorite, but it's soo bad
modest jasper
infernape>>>>>>rillaboom any day
rare cloak
bro all your favorite starters are wack
pastel lark
Infernape is probably the only monkey pokemon I dislike
Me
modest jasper
The lowest one for me is the mudkip line lol
this some fighting words
rare cloak
how can you dislike infernape
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The lowest one for me is the mudkip line lol
i will shoot you
pastel lark
No wait i only like the first evo monkeys
pastel lark
Weird gartor
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you are purposefully trying to get me mad arent you
lapis linden
i will shoot you
They kinda pull down the Gen 3 starters imo
modest jasper
this some based stuff ngl
only ones i dislike is the eternatus but not/marshmallow
pastel lark
you are purposefully trying to get me mad arent you
Nope
meager oasis
fuecoco is prob my least favourite gen 9 starter mainly cuz of the eyes
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fuecoco is prob my least favourite gen 9 starter mainly cuz of the eyes
fuecoco is adorable
im picking it
lapis linden
You complain about fur bait but like the fur bait mythical interesting 🤔
meager oasis
I know but not to me
pastel lark
Sprigatito is cute, and duck
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You complain about fur bait but like the fur bait mythical interesting 🤔
i think it looks dope as fuck
lapis linden
I am not at all judging it does look sweet I was just pointing out how strange it looks 😂
modest jasper
They kinda pull down the Gen 3 starters imo
all gen3 starters are incredible, no exception
if you want to nitpick, sceptile kinda lacking on the power department
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gen 3 is easily the best starter trio
meager oasis
One of my very unpopular opinions but I don’t like any of the gen 3 starters
lapis linden
I mean design wise idk never like mudkip or it’s evos
modest jasper
gen 3 is easily the best starter trio
humuhumu
pastel lark
all gen3 starters are incredible, no exception
if you want to nitpick, sceptile ...
This is just facts
rare cloak
One of my very unpopular opinions but I don’t like any of the gen 3 starters
your opinions are dust
pastel lark
Me complains about sceptile being weak, always use Meganium
lapis linden
One of my very unpopular opinions but I don’t like any of the gen 3 starters
I can see it
meager oasis
I’ve never played any gen 3 games so that’s prob why
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the only sorta bad pokemon in the gen 3 starters are combusken and marshtomp
and the only really bad one is mega swampert
pastel lark
Combusken is a d
modest jasper
swol
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never skip leg day
modest jasper
i swear just swap special attack and speed on mega swampert please for the love of god
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modest jasper
huh
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definitive tier list
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delphox should be in f tier btw
pastel lark
I’ve never played any gen 3 games so that’s prob why
I played a run with every starter and started liking most of them
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idk why its in d
pastel lark
Excpt for sceptile, was on the team only for easy heal
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honestly the best generations of starters are gen 3 and gen 7
modest jasper
sceptile lacking on power hurts so much 
it could have gotten tinted lens or smth to make up for its lacking movepool
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gen 3 is a bit better than gen 7 but still
modest jasper
incineroar haters unite
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incineroar is a good pokemon
modest jasper
weird how normal the middle evo looks
on the inci line
normally thats the one everybody hates
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i like incineroar more than torracat
and a lot of people dont like torracat
like
a LOT
modest jasper
eh?
it looks very fitting for the first stage
a natural progression, nothing too fancy
add some big tooth on the mouth, make the tail big and scale the model
boom
better inci in every way
pastel lark
Torracat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>incineroar
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Torracat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>incineroar
lies
modest jasper
Torracat>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>incineroar
factual
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opinion based
pastel lark
I would use a torracat with everstone
modest jasper
inci being on 2 legs just comes out of nowhere
at least with emboar we where already disapointed at the second stage
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tepig sucks as well
pastel lark
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anyone ever notice it wears a diaper?
thats pokemons imitation of a wrestler leotard for a baby
also since its essentially confirmed that gen 9 is going to be based on the iberian peninsula
modest jasper
he is a pretty cool lad
pastel lark
Chespin and chesnaught are really cool
modest jasper
chesty is my favorite starter out of gen6
meager oasis
I love tepig line
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if they ever do dlc for gen 9 they could make it over the Balearic Islands or smthn
meager oasis
They cute and cool
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since its basically confirmed that its the iberian peninsula
pastel lark
They cute and cool
Yeah like charizard
modest jasper
where is serena delphox or Clemont chesty
pastel lark
Oops wrong reply
modest jasper
They cute and cool
tepig? i can see it being cute-esk
emboar
just
ugly
and useless to boot
pastel lark
Here a really unpopular opinion, only turtwig line is good in sinooh
modest jasper
torterra is based
pastel lark
Chimchar and piplup are still cute, but aren't able to save the line
modest jasper
i dont really like infernape but i can see its worth
im neutral on empoleon
still salty about it being the exclusive holder of water/steel
pastel lark
I still feel weird for a penguin not being ice
modest jasper
we could have gotten it on octilerry and made the line make sense if it wasnt due to pg
pastel lark
Like bruh it's a penguin in a cold region
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oh and also random thing to say, the islands on the map of the gen 9 region are probably the azores
their a part of portugal although their further away in real life then on the map
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I just realized something how fuecoco works
Crocodiles aren't in Spain kinda obvious
But Africa does
And there's very little water between the Iberian peninsula and africa
Soooo
Fuecoco could be from an African region
That was smuggled into the Spanish region or just brought in
knotty path
I mean
tigers aren't in Hawaii
the animal a mon's based off doesn't have to be native to the real life inspiration for a region
knotty path
Not every mon has a reason for being in a region other than "mon is in region" lmfao
actually very few do
its a video game, not the real world, they don't have to make 100% perfect sense to be from x region
icy forge
Somedays ago I put the link of a possible origin of Fuecoco: A strange evil Cocodrile Fairy
Anyway
knotty path
besides I still like the theory that the starters will evolve into things that were/are on Spanish flags. Lion for Sprigagito, Eagle for Quaxly and a Dragon and/or castle for Fuecoco. Doesn't seem likely but would be cool.
icy forge
Fuecoco could be a link between Europe(Spain) and America(Alligators)
knotty path
or just could end up being a cool caiman/croc/ghost pepper/whatever
ripe thunder
Plot twist is actually a coconut not a crocodile 🙃
late tendon
Plot twist it's a pre evolution of applin
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O could be a strange crocobull (?)
Based zodiac theory enjoyer
icy forge
Would be weird but with a Carnotaurus we have bull and Dinosaur, Its a win-win situation
late tendon
I actually like a bull or a snake possibility
my horse concept is still the best tho
male crocodiles are bulls, corrida is a thing, both animals are bulky and super strong
on the other hand, crocodiles and snakes are both reptiles and easy to transit from one to another or even fuse
after all, Typhlosion isn't a rat, only Cyndaquil kinda is, and Delphox isn't quite a dog
so even if they stick up to the zodiac logic, they don't have to 100% follow it
icy forge
In defense of Delphox, Fennekin is basically a Poomerania
late tendon
I don't blame Delphox, I'm saying that foxes aren't quite the domestic dogs And it's all right, they have a right to do anything
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male crocodiles are bulls, corrida is a thing, both animals are bulky and super ...
I hate that whole 'mAlE cRoCoDiLeS are bUlLs' like it's still not a bull
limpid depot
And the sign name isn't even bull, it's ox lol
Tbh I just think people are putting too much weight in something very inconsequential
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And the sign name isn't even bull, it's ox lol
The Chinese zodiac is sometimes perceived differently
Especially for that
I've seen countless Chinese zodiacs with bull instead of oxen
limpid depot
Now people will be mad no matter what the final evos become cuz it's become a whole discussion, so people will feel like they "lost" the argument that shouldn't happen in the first place cuz it doesn't matter lol
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Ngl all 3 starters have just demolished one other pokemon
Fuecoco demolished totodile into oblivion
Sprigatito curb stomped litten
And quaxly straight up murdered ducklett
Also I want a giant pokemon
Like straight up a giant
late tendon
I hate that whole 'mAlE cRoCoDiLeS are bUlLs' like it's still not a bull
it's ok you can hate whatever you want
late tendon
lots of people hate each other, just don't be rude on the server or it'll break the rule
I find this "males are bulls and females are cows" a cool connection that can create a fun fusion
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Fusion
late tendon
yea, Pokemon are oftenly fusions between different real life animals
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Alroght name a pokemon that is a mix of two animals
late tendon
or sometimes even objects
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One that's obvious
late tendon
you mean, you don't know this is a thing and want me to proof it?
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Just give me an example
late tendon
ok gimme a moment to remember some cool example
besides, like, Alakazam being a humanoid cat fox squirrel because gen 1 is eh
or Eevee because it's too obvious
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Squirrel?
late tendon
yea, some people see a squirrel in Alakazam line
rare cloak
Alakazam is not a squirrel lmao
late tendon
if you say so, sure
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It's a humanoid pokemon based on fantasy old men with slight cat features
late tendon
and fox and squirrel featues for lots of people
if you see it being only a cat, it's your thing
modest jasper
It's a humanoid pokemon based on fantasy old men with slight cat features
Alakazam is a cat girl confirmed
late tendon
oh also
rare cloak
By fantasy old men I mean the stereotypical 'wise old man with a lot of facial hair'
AKA any wizard ever
late tendon
Venusaur is a fusion between a common toad, a Pareiasaur (thanks Google), and rafflesia
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-_-
late tendon
another cool example is Chesnaught line being a fusion between hendegog, chestnut, pangolins/armodillos, and glyptodonts (thanks Google x2)
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Your literally just saying grass starters
Their all based on multiple animals because one of those animals is extinct
late tendon
I mean, is there a problem with that?
late tendon
as another random example I just came up with, Garchomp is a hammerhead shark on some theropod's body (basically fish + reptile) that makes a whole wyvern as the result
this is what I found without searching so I can look for something else as well
another random is Luxray being a lion in appearence but lynx in everything else (habitats, lifestyle, mystical powers)
oh and eyes because, well, lynxes mystical powers are all about their eyes
late tendon
with a long mane, round ears and long tail with tuft on it, sure
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Lynxs can have a lot of neck fur
late tendon
all lynxes look like that
yes but not a whole mane
they have a long fur all over their body without a distinct mane
late tendon
come on, you know what I'm talking about, don't pretend you don't see it
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They literally have spiky sonic hair
late tendon
and even if you actually don't, what about everything else I mentioned?
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Garchomp you literally just 'some theropod'
late tendon
yea, it's not clear which one because there's many of then
as well as there's many of other animals with the same name
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Chesnaught and venasaur are based on literal extinct animals
late tendon
like "cat + fox"
modest jasper
catox sounds like a fakemon
late tendon
also, Cradily is an sea anemone + ghostfish on a dinosaur-like body with legs and long neck
zangoose is a clear fusion between cat, ferret, and mongoose
because it's a "cat ferret" pokemon that looks like cat but everything about it is mongoose
mOngoose* sorry it spells with "a" in Russian
spinda is a red panda with some rabbit features
flygon is a reptile looking dragon that's also a dragonfly
kangaskhan is a dino-looking kangaroo
knotty path
the point is, Pokemon aren't literally 1:1 real life animals. They can have a lot more than "literally just this hurrdurr" inspirations.
late tendon
another starter but mudkip is an axolotl + mud fish with reptile features
knotty path
I've been telling people that for years and still get "NO UR WRONG ITS ONLY THIS REEE"
late tendon
the point is, Pokemon aren't literally 1:1 real life animals. They can have a lo...
that's literally what I'm trying to explain 
modest jasper
just ignore how most fighting types are just humans
final crater
the hell is going on here
knotty path
no idea honestly
knotty path
just saw a lot of examples of mons having multiple inspiration sources
final crater
i mean the real answer is that pokemon arent real animals
late tendon
the hell is going on here
the dude said he hates me because I think that crocodile with bull features is possible because lots of mons are fusions between different animals
knotty path
exactly
final crater
... but i feel like starters generally mix similar animals
so if it got horns maybe itd get those from one of these dudes [horned lizard]
knotty path
Yeah I can see that to some degree, but could go an interesting direction
final crater
horned lizards... neato
late tendon
I mean, yea, it doesn't have to look like an equal fusion between a bull and a croc, it can just have horns and, let's say as an example, a nose ring
and, like, a bulky appearance
final crater
eh
honestly it just seems to me
like if they wanted those traits
that maybe it wouldve just... been a bull
late tendon
or, like, being used in a local pokemon corrida
final crater
if anything, id imagine that a spanish bull would be a tauros regional or something gogoatish
late tendon
just horns and insiration would be enough to tell that it's part bull without making it looking totally like a bull
late tendon
I said that in theory, it can also end up looking like a snake because of the spanish flag thing
late tendon
I said that if they go with a bull route by any reasons, I don't understand why people should hate that
modest jasper
my only expectation is that it keeps looking like a dumbass and will not turn into furbait
and I already know it will become one but I like my copium
late tendon
they can go away from the zodiac route as well and have a moon rabbit croc because of a random reason and people shouldn't have aggression towards each other because of a non-real animal in a videogame
knotty path
my only expectation is that it keeps looking like a dumbass and will not turn in...
scalebait instead 