pokemon-winds-waves

[tepid flame]

Would be really cool to have a big boy attacker that actually used Earth Power instead of Earthquake too

Also if it wasn't clear obviously it's balanced with the fact that it has inherently dog ass defenses

And presuming what I think about Pombon or the speculations I think it could go that route

[robust wren]

I would argue that a Defensive fire/ground type could work too. It's not horrible defensively, only having 2 weaknesses. Sure, one of them is 4x to Water, but being 4x weak to Fighting hasn't slowed Kingambit down too much

[jovial marlin]

Tbh Camerupt having Solid Rock is probably the best thing one can do defensively for its type

[jade ocean]

Except surely it won't have stats only a mother could love this time

[jade ocean]

Any single Water immunity ability

cough cough Primal Groudon

[jovial marlin]

Dry Skin

[jade ocean]

Camerupt's type was never its problem tbh

It was always the fact that it has the same BST as Basculin and far worse stat distribution

You could make it like, Steel/Fairy or Ghost/Fighting or something and it'd still be hot garbage

Just that this time, the hot would be figurative instead of literal

Heck, I'd go as far as to say that Fire/Ground is extremely underrated

And the sole reason is how bad Camerupt is, which is the fault of Camerupt itself

[tepid flame]

Honestly talking Camerupt made me so hyped that I can do like a PiF Camerupt run

Redeem that boy with just using its Fire type and pair it with so much more better bodies

Solid Rock on a Fire type too that's basically very bueno

[jovial marlin]

I once made a speed demon Magcargo just mess with people.

[acoustic igloo]

Gen 3 had a weird number of slow, frail mons with Attack and/or Special Attack as their only good stats (Seviper, Cacturne, Banette, and Absol send their regards).

[jade ocean]

I'd argue that neither Camerupt nor Seviper have even that

Their Attack/SpA is alright... on a mon with 142 Speed and superior bulk

And if Dragapult has superior bulk when compared to you, you know something has gone wrong

[acoustic igloo]

I mean, 100 isn't bad

[normal zodiac]

Honestly gen 3 was a weird generation because I feel like that was the end of the no power creep era of pokemon

[jade ocean]

There was always powercreep in Pokemon. It just wasn't as noticeable back in these early gens, and wasn't a bad thing back then

I'd argue the powercreep wasn't a bad thing until like

Gen 6

And even then you could argue it wasn't really negative yet at that point

There is no arguing that in Gen 9, the powercreep has just gotten completely out of hand

[fickle birch]

BST averages are surprisingly consistent across Gens I-III, then they jump up (though Gens IV and VII especially have a lot of evolutions or legendaries/powerful non-legendary Pokémon that inflate their averages). 😅

[jade ocean]

That doesn't mean that powercreep is completely absent. Something like Blissey powercreeps its prevo, Chansey. Pokemon like Suicune and Milotic powercreep Vaporeon. It's just at a far lower and more healthy and natural level at this point in time

Which I'd argue is the case even with some of the later gens with their massive BST increases

But by the time you get to Gen 9, this powercreep has gotten rather out of hand

[tacit charm]

Guys....

Browt is browting

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-gecqua-gecqua-meme-gif-14840330710079169581

[fickle birch]

True, but for every Suicune and Milotic there's a Delcatty, Seviper, Volbeat, Spinda or Masquerain. 😅

[jade ocean]

True, I'd say Hoenn and Johto have a higher ceiling for strong Pokemon, but a lower floor than Kanto

I'm looking at the 50 different Johto mons that were so pathetic they got an evolution in a later gen as well as mf Camerupt in particular

[velvet forum]

Isnt this chat about winds and waves

[jade ocean]

We don't have anything to talk about lmao

Camerupt is not only a Pokemon with the same BST as the likes of Jumpluff and Basculin but you can make an argument it's in the lower half of Pokemon with this BST

Lower than both examples I gave for Pokemon with that BST for example

This is supposed to be the ace of an evil team leader btw

[velvet forum]

its mega makes up for it

[jade ocean]

I disagree

Because the Mega is still on the weaker end of Megas

And like

The Mega won't always be there to make Camerupt more than absolutely miserable

And because of the Mega, they can't give Camerupt an evolution despite its stats kinda calling for one

[velvet forum]

Well in retrospect its kinda balanced considering archie uses a goofy ass sharpedo

[jade ocean]

Sharpedo is probably the 2nd best of the 460 BST Pokemon

[velvet forum]

speaking of the weaker end of megas sharpedo is definitely one of them

[jade ocean]

It's not exactly a fair comparison vs Camerupt

[velvet forum]

i mean it kinda is

They have a similar bst

[jade ocean]

Except one happens to have bad abilities, mediocre Attack/SpA, poor bulk and low speed

While the other has Speed Boost

[velvet forum]

camerupt has great bulk

[jade ocean]

Perhaps it looks like it should

But no, it's literally frailer than Dragapult

70/70/75

In fact, not only is it frailer, but it has overall poorer offences with only slightly higher SpA with far lower Attack

And one of these has 142 Speed

What having 460 BST does to a mf

This stat spread could've worked if Camerupt's BST wasn't so pathetically low

[robust wren]

I'm genuinely curious how well an actually tanky Fire/Ground type could be.

Only 2 weaknesses (admittedly really common ones, but Heatran does just fine) and a great offensive profile makes me think it could really work out

[fickle birch]

Sure, but we can talk about Pokémon we think deserve an evolution and stuff like that. There's literally no news right now. 😂

A lot of popular evolution candidates (Stantler, Girafarig, Dunsparce, etc.) have actually received evolutions recently, so I hope they continue that trend with the likes of Ledian, Delcatty and Spinda. 😄

[nimble basin]

give toxapex an evo

[fickle birch]

They've also had some crazy out of pocket ones nobody expected like Ursaluna, Kingambit and Duraludon, so I'm curious to see what they come up with. 🙂

[robust wren]

I really hope we get more convergent lines. It's an interesting new classification to work with

[tepid flame]

I was gonna ask if it's really an evo if it's limited to just one variant instead of the entire line

But I was thinking of Sirfetch'd and Mr. Rime instead mb y'all

[velvet forum]

i think delcatty should never EVER get a evolution

it cant get uglier than what its already at

[forest egret]

If it can't get uglier, then we can only go up, no?

[normal zodiac]

Heatran is fire steel tho

[robust wren]

Sure, but let's not pretend that Fire on its own isn't already the type with the second highest number of resistances. It's a solid defensive type on its own, it's just not common knowledge due to how few defensive Fire types there are. And Ground doesn't do too bad defensively either.

[normal zodiac]

Oh no I just meant when you are talking about types my brain just wanted to correct it I'm not trying to dispute your point

[jade ocean]

It's the same 2 weaknesses as Water/Ground tbf

I meant to say as Fire/Ground and of Water and Ground

You can see how that went

But you get what I mean

Fire/Steel is additionally weak to Fighting

And is worse offensively

[normal zodiac]

I was about to mention that

[jade ocean]

But has far more resistances

Because it's a Steel type so of course it does

[normal zodiac]

Plus heatran is really strong as is

[jade ocean]

Yup, and Camerupt has the same BST as Basculin

That is to say, it is pathetically weak

[normal zodiac]

Honestly I thought cammerupt and sharpedo would have been in the 500s in regards to bst

[jade ocean]

Nope, 460

[robust wren]

Hoenn is weird like that with bsts and statlines

[normal zodiac]

Honestly they should have gotten permanent evolutions instead of megas

[jade ocean]

Too late, unfortunately

[normal zodiac]

Yeah

[robust wren]

Same with Chimecho

[normal zodiac]

Honestly that's part of why I don't like megas

[robust wren]

Still so disappointed that they didn't do anything major with Mega Chimecho but turn it into a somewhat more badass Bronzong with opportunity cost

So many things they could have done to make it distinct, and they chose the bare minimum

[normal zodiac]

I kinda wish they gave it the special attack equivalent of pure power

Would it be kinda nuts yes would it be cool as hell also yes

[robust wren]

Would have been a bit much. I liked all the sound based suggestions people had, like giving it a reskinned Punk Rock or psychic type Refrigerate

[normal zodiac]

I like the idea of a fusion of 2 abilities for it of soundproof and punk rock

[jade ocean]

Well, I don't think it has a confirmed ability yet

Unless I'm delulu

[normal zodiac]

It has levitate

[jade ocean]

Is it in Champions? I don't think I've seen anyone talk about it if it is

[normal zodiac]

Ye

[jade ocean]

Which I guess would make sense

Since it is Mega Chimecho

[jade ocean]

Ah, ok then

... Did it keep Boomburst?

[normal zodiac]

No idea I'll look into that

It does

[jade ocean]

Well it has that going for it at least

[robust wren]

Can't see it being too much higher up on the tier list than Bronzong either way

[jade ocean]

I think this is the Boomburst user with the highest SpA

If only it got like, a Psychic or Steel type Aerilate

It'd have been so fucking funny

[robust wren]

Punk Rock with a more thematically appropriate name would have been great on it to set itself apart. Can't even really say it would be broken cause nobody really has any issues with Toxitricity

[normal zodiac]

Honestly I'm kinda hoping that mega staraptor gets aerilate

[jade ocean]

I mean, it's a lot bulkier than Toxtricity and has reliable recovery

[lime void]

It’s almost like giving a mega to a Pokémon that really needed a regular evolution was a bad idea

[jade ocean]

So it'd probably have been, at the very least, the best Pokemon at abusing Boomburst

[jade ocean]

Seems redundant

[normal zodiac]

Yeah but it would be cool

[jade ocean]

It already has good Flying STAB after all, in Brave Bird

Would be cool for STAB Quick Attack though

I love Aerilate Quick Attack

[normal zodiac]

Also I have no idea how Intimidate works with mega evolution

If both forms have it

[jade ocean]

It would proc twice I imagine

[normal zodiac]

Probably and it honestly would be pretty good

[jade ocean]

Which would be very funny

[robust wren]

Incineroar Stocks go slightly down with that

[jade ocean]

So they should give it to Staraptor

[normal zodiac]

It would be hilarious

But also I think that contrary would be really cool

[jade ocean]

Defiant and Competitive stocks rising

[jade ocean]

I doubt it'll happen

[normal zodiac]

Probably but it would be cool

[jade ocean]

For reasons I cannot elaborate on due to server rules

[normal zodiac]

Alright then moving on what abilities do you think the remaining new megas will have

[nimble basin]

mega goli gonna have tactical retreat

[jade ocean]

I remember theorising on this once

But tbh I'd be lying if I said I was confident

[robust wren]

This time it activates at the end of the turn for actual usefulness

[jade ocean]

The range of abilities we have are "Literally carries otherwise worthless dogshit" and "May as well not exist"

I theorise that Mega Absol Z is getting Sharpness

It getting changed to work on claw moves feels way too coincidental

Since otherwise, Absol Z just doesnt have a good, high-powered Ghost STAB move

[normal zodiac]

Honestly I feel like absol should just have that by default

[robust wren]

I have some confidence in MegaCario Z getting Mega Launcher due to getting all the Pulse moves added to its moveset

[jade ocean]

What did it even get that it didn't already have

It already had like, any pulse move you'd give a shit about

Other than Origin Pulse

But, uhh

Something tells me Lucario didn't get Origin Pulse

[normal zodiac]

I feel like mega launcher should just boost everything that bulletproof protects against

[jade ocean]

180 BP Focus Blast

I love gambling!

[robust wren]

Either way I can't see them dedicating that much into its Special attacking nature without having actually usable STAB.

[normal zodiac]

Nah 180 base power zap cannon for gambling

[jade ocean]

I don't know if Lucario gets that

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if it did in the past, a lot of stuff randomly got Zap Cannon in older gens

[normal zodiac]

Probably not but it would be fun

[robust wren]

Mega Bax getting Skill Link would be hilarious

Doubt it, but it would be funny

[normal zodiac]

Also I feel like flash cannon being included in the moves bulletproof protects against makes sense

[jade ocean]

My 3 ideas for Mega Darkrai are No Guard (Least thematic, most funny), Dark Aura (I mean, Mega Floette got it) and Shadow Tag (Fits the whole "No escape" thing in the dex and I mean, seems fitting enough)

[jade ocean]

I'd disagree, but you know what I do think should be blocked by Bulletproof?

Moonblast

It is literally always depicted as spherical in move animations

[normal zodiac]

Honestly yeah that makes sense

[jade ocean]

And a lot of moves that have that shape are blocked by Bulletproof

[robust wren]

Probably will just keep Bad Dreams to coincide with it becoming a tank

[jade ocean]

Maybe

But like

It'd be so fucking funny if it got No Guard

I feel like there's a 50% chance Mega Scolipede keeps Speed Boost

[normal zodiac]

I think it should change dark void to do what it does in za so that way no guard isn't necessary

[jade ocean]

Not 100, they could pull a Mega Sharpedo

But they could also pull a Mega Blaziken

[normal zodiac]

Granted that was only done because 0 abilities but I just find life steal moves interesting

[robust wren]

Stamina seems to be tue ability I've seen most expecting from Mega Scoli

Especially considering the statline is slashing its speed

[normal zodiac]

That or an ability like filter

[jade ocean]

I mean, with Speed Boost, the lower Speed won't really matter all that much after like, 2 or 3 turns

Maybe that's the idea they have

Mega Scrafty's another mon it'd be funny to slap the Double Intimidate on

And honestly I can think of less abilities for it than for Staraptor

[robust wren]

Imagine they give Mega Scrafty Wonder Skin

The absolute lamest thematically appropriate option possible

I'm really hoping for Mega Barbaracle to just keep Tough Claws

[normal zodiac]

Honestly I'd take that over another huge power Mon any day

[jade ocean]

That'd be good, I'd like that

Tough Claws is a great ability as is

And Mega Barbaracle's stats with Shell Smash already make it a threat anyways

You've seen what similar stats and Shell Smash did for Mega Blastoise

Another funny thing could be No Guard to ensure it isn't missing Stone Edge

And if it doesn't keep CC, it'll also help with Cross Chop

I see 0 outcome for Eelektross that isn't Levitate ngl

[robust wren]

I understand it would be unbalanced as hell, but it would be really funny if Mega Heatran got an ability that burned all Pokémon on the field the first time it Mega Evolves to evoke its 1.8 million degree heat

[jade ocean]

Probably still more balanced than Earth Eater

-# What was ZAOU thinking...

[lime void]

Hear me out: why not both

[jade ocean]

Mega Pyroar getting Drought probably secures a spot for it in a lower tier

Like idk NU or something

If it doesn't get Drought, uhh

GGs, I guess

Still gonna be more functional than Mega Malamar at least...

[robust wren]

Gamefreak clearly gives no fucks about Pyroar so I can see them just slapping Flame Body or Flash Fire on it

[jade ocean]

If Gamefreak gives no fucks about Pyroar, they straight up DESPISE Malamar and all of its fans

Like first they give it whatever the fuck those stats are with that type back in XY

And then they make an entire campaign about how the only people who like Malamar were people who Mega Malamar hypnotised into liking it

[robust wren]

Still can't get over how Mega Malamars stats are literally set up as a joke

[jade ocean]

Not to mention making it responsible for wars

And then they give Mega Malamar THAT stat spread

[robust wren]

"It's funny cause it looks like its stats have just been flipped!"

[lime void]

Not to mention the fact that Malamar needed a regular evolution, not a mega

[jade ocean]

Anyways, Mega Dragalge feels like it's getting Regenerator

I could see something funny with the adverse effects of its cancer beams on anything that isn't itself

[robust wren]

Heal Block as an ability but instead it reverses the healing (albeit it does less damage than it would heal fr balance reasons)

Leftovers are now exactly as healthy as eating literal garbage actually is

Anyway, Mega Magearna is absolutely just keeping Soul Heart.

[jade ocean]

If Mega Golisopod gets anything that isn't a drawback ability, it's a cause for celebration ngl

Even if it's worthless garbage like Frisk

[robust wren]

Emergency Exit but it activates at the end of the turn. Goes from detrimental to a solid pivot strat

[normal zodiac]

Honestly I feel like the simple answer is give it tough claws

[cloud shale]

it’s okay 🤧 my… my friend Malamar 😔

[rustic salmon]

<@&306953740651462656>

they're getting clever again

[opal gull]

isnt this for wind and waves not champions talk

[lime void]

What’re we supposed to talk about regarding Winds and Waves?

[amber monolith]

wind is air, waves is water

💨🌊

[royal dagger]

About how Pombon will be Incinroar 2, Browt will be the best starter, and Gequa will be Inteleon but fabulous

[indigo mango]

2 of the 3 will def stand up

there is a chance for all 3 but i still have some hope for Ponbon

Browt and Gequa are already on 2s

[robust wren]

We could have a Swampert situation where one of them goes between 2 and 4 based on the circumstances

[jade ocean]

There is no way the bird is getting on all 4s

That is a BIRD

I can see it for Gecqua since it does already have a stance that suggest it probably does spend some time on all fours

[near trellis]

What we thinking the region for this one is ? I'm torn between Greece and Indonesia

[tepid flame]

I hope it's Greece my nation doesn't deserve good things

[cunning sierra]

Southeast Asia honestly. A lot of water, the region seems to have a ton of islands and it gives an "islander" theme. Greece would be more dynamic towns, ruins and less ocean

[velvet forum]

Neither

could be literally anywhere tropical

except hawaii

[cloud shale]

I’m so ready for Femininteleon

[velvet forum]

I actually hope gecqua goes the opposite direction and becomes a komodo dragon

[cloud shale]

an obvious komodo dragon pokemon would probably be the first pokemon directly inspired by one of my three favorite animals - no red panda pokemon, no Komodo dragon (yet), and no mantis shrimp (Clauncher is pretty close though)

[rustic salmon]

what if browt evolved into mighty eagle

[cunning sierra]

I've already speculated a Browt evo, but I want this to be Browt's evolution: The Superb Bird of Paradise

[lime void]

What secondary typings do we think the final form starters are going to have

[rustic salmon]

pombon 100% gonna be fairy

[velvet forum]

yes

[opal gull]

is that related to the superb owl 😛

[royal dagger]

Ngl part of me hopes Browt will become a Thunder Bird (I know it likely won't but itd be so cool)

[lime void]

What about Browt and Gecqua?

[lyric stratus]

Could also be ground

[robust wren]

Not sure what I expect or want Gecqua to be aside from wanting a break from all the Dark and Fighting starters. Maybe Poison or Psychic

[velvet forum]

Poison would be super cool honestly

[acoustic igloo]

What if we got a ||Water/Bug-type dragonfly gecko||?

[velvet forum]

No

[robust wren]

I don't think Bug is a type you can really justify a Pokémon evolving into. It's just kinda... what something is from the outset.

[amber monolith]

just look at skorupi

[robust wren]

Skorupi doesn't turn into a bug. It starts as a bug, then turns Dark. Totally different.

[amber monolith]

skorupi loses the bug type when it evolves

my silly thought process for “bug isn’t a type you can justify a Pokémon evolving into”

Drapion ain’t a bug type no more

[jade ocean]

Well, Skorupi sure as hell didn't evolve into a Bug type, then

Tbf Skorupi losing the Bug type is stupid from a logic standpoint

But it's completely based from the gameplay standpoint so who gives a shit

And tbh, if any of the starters were to gain the Bug type, Water would probably be the one who hates its life least about it

[normal zodiac]

Id make the argument for steel caring about as much

[robust wren]

Water/Bug is debatably the 2nd best Bug type combo. Pretty sure it's not even top 5 for Water

[jade ocean]

Last I checked, Steel wasn't a Starter type

[normal zodiac]

It isn't I just meant overall

[jade ocean]

Anyways to be fair to Water/Bug, it is unironically a good type combo

And doesn't have any glaring drawbacks

You could argue Fire/Bug is also a good type combo

[normal zodiac]

My brain kinda saw types that care about it and my brain forgot that that this was about starters

[jade ocean]

But it does have a glaring drawback

Being it basically forcing you to wear a nice pair of shoes

[normal zodiac]

And proper safety gear on caves

In

[jade ocean]

Hey, it's a far better state than before Gen 8, at least

Because when you aren't worrying about losing half your HP or more instantly, Bug/Fire has a lot of defensive merit

[normal zodiac]

True

[jade ocean]

Similar to Flying/Fire

Though it's definitely not as good as that

Which is Bug's main issue in general, defensively it's good but worse than Flying

And offensively?

Lol

[normal zodiac]

Regardless I'm honestly surprised that Pokemon actually made leech life a viable move

[jade ocean]

Lmfao, even

[robust wren]

If I had to rank Bugs best type combos it would probably be:
1:Steel 2: Water 3:Rock 4:Fire

[normal zodiac]

So golisopod went from second best to best

[robust wren]

Not sure what I would have as number 5 considering it kinda sucks with most other types

[jade ocean]

I agree with that Top 2 for sure

[normal zodiac]

Bug grass is definitely the worst

[jade ocean]

Though for Golisopod in particular, losing the Water typing for Steel kinda stings because Water/Bug is more well-rounded in both offence and defence

And that's the type of Pokemon both Golisopods are

[normal zodiac]

True perhaps it would get something like steelworker but for water moves

[jade ocean]

A Pokemon that hits extremely hard while boasting great bulk

[robust wren]

I would argue Bug/Ice is worse

[normal zodiac]

Both?

[jade ocean]

Idk at least Ice is a good offensive type

It'd prefer a secondary type that actually helps with that

But it's more than Grass/Bug at least

Which is both awful offensively and awful defensively

[normal zodiac]

Like as in a tie for last place

Because both are god awful

[jade ocean]

I'd argue Bug/Grass is more god awful

Though it's lowkey just Shit vs Garbage

[normal zodiac]

Have em be interchangeable

[jade ocean]

Me when I'm in a bad type competition and my opponent is Psychic: (I'm Bug, so I lowkey have a chance)

[cloud shale]

hey bug/grass is immune to spore at least

[robust wren]

I actually have theorycrafted a Bug/Grass starter in my head and the only thing I could think of to make it actually usable would be a hidden ability that works like an inverse Supreme Overlord

[normal zodiac]

So the more that are up in your party the stronger it is

[robust wren]

Yup

Also thematically appropriate with it being a locust

[indigo mango]

with bug/grass is it gonna be a lotus locust

[robust wren]

The plan was to design it around a combination of a locust and the Kudzu vine, one of the most invasive and destructive plants in North America, also known as "the vine that ate the south."

Part of a planned starter trio all about how humans have impacted the natural world as represented by an invasive species, an endangered species, and a domesticated species

[fading briar]

Tbh

I think they won't

But this new gimmick will give them their secondary typing

Just a theory though

Also oo hint of a WiWa pokemon?

Kinda looks like a corn cob 🌽

[autumn shore]

Who will the version exclusive legendaries be (if they are box art exclusives)?
Pure Flying serpent with puffy clouds over it's body for Winds and a large whale or under water found much deeper that reminds us of Kyogre but better?

[lime void]

Literally the only time the box art legendarys haven’t been exclusive is the Johto games

And if you’re counting non legendary box arts, then you can add the Kanto starters. But that’s it

[fading briar]

Exclusivity is lame because the whole moto is you got to catch them all

Purposely reducing the Pokedex for "exclusives" is dumb

[robust wren]

Not gonna be changed though

Makes Gamefreak and Nintendo too much money for that to happen

[indigo mango]

that was the motto for gen 1-3..infact it was even removed from gen 3, gen 4 and 6 had refrences to it in ads but thats it.

and techncially thats the american slogan, the real one is just "Get Pokemon" lul

[amber monolith]

but the “got to catch them all” makes a lot of sense, cuz you gotta buy all the games

https://tenor.com/view/tom-and-jerry-money-tom-and-jerry-movie-gif-21059368

[runic pecan]

<@&306953740651462656>

[mystic fern]

I can't believe wind and waves is gonna introduce fighting game inputs and 6 new stats

And 2 new types

||this is misinformation||

[royal dagger]

So winds and waves is Pokken 2 got it

[mystic fern]

Nah we're introducing 360s and raging storm inputs

[amber monolith]

it’s gonna be mortal kombat type fights and catching mechanics similar to PLA

[jagged cedar]

I hope we get to see a heavenly Potkemon buster in this game

[fiery geode]

That input is pretty heinous, not the worst Ive seen though.

[late tendon]

[vestal aurora]

[wanton idol]

les go

GUYS

donald duck

thats all ill say

[vestal aurora]

And croc

[lament glen]

green litten

[patent rivet]

Too bad it’s still 2 versions

They’re still obsessed with scamming kids who think they have to get both versions

[lament glen]

yeah, fuck that 2 versions crap

[vestal aurora]

1 version is cooler imo

[remote pelican]

I don’t think it’s that bad. Gives you incentive to play with a friend

[lament glen]

?

[fickle birch]

I only like the cat. 😢

[spark belfry]

it should be a version for every new mon
151 gen 1 games

[late tendon]

I love the croc omfg

[wanton idol]

how can you not like duck

[lament glen]

then why does literally no other game have to do this

[fickle birch]

It's Ducklett with stupid hair. 😦

[patent rivet]

That’s just the excuse they give to make 2 versions with different exclusives that are otherwise the same game since they know a lot of people will buy both versions

[spark belfry]

the croc is a fuckin fakemon and thats what makes it the best
cause its far from whatever pokemon does

[wanton idol]

also yes i am spriting the ducklett with stupid hair

leave me alone 🚎

[remote pelican]

Sorry if you don’t like my opinion, I wasn’t trying to hurt anyone

[patent rivet]

Besides them being ducks, I don’t see it

Donald doesn’t have Ducklett’s underside foam even

[olive forge]

Lets go stupid hair Donald ducklet

[forest egret]

I wonder what area this region's gonna be based on

[olive forge]

I really like 'em 3

Australia ? 🤔

[patent rivet]

Someone in another server said it looks like some European country like Italy

[olive forge]

Oh yes

[sour surge]

yeah something central europe is what I imagined

[wanton idol]

it will just be based

[lament glen]

they use the same shitty city architecture/style that they used in sw/sh

looks exactly the same

[wanton idol]

🚎

[hardy totem]

The duck does feel underdesigned to me in comparison to the others.

[late tendon]

is this the first fire starter out of the chinese zodiac?

or will it evolve into a snake?

ok hear me out

horse crocodile

[abstract linden]

CHILI CROC CHILI CROC

[late tendon]

applin

[olive forge]

LOVE IT

[late tendon]

this one's my fav out of 3

[dense olive]

i'm picking the duck.

i love the duck.

must hug the duck.

[abstract linden]

I'm picking the cat though it's soo cute

[wanton idol]

YEs

the dug

duick

duck

yes

[forest egret]

Doug

[late tendon]

dduck

[dense olive]

duick

[late tendon]

chili croc tho

[wanton idol]

where did you find the official art btw lmao

[knotty path]

rip the fire starter zodiac LOL

grass cat is big pog though

[abstract linden]

Serebii twitter

[patent rivet]

https://mobile.twitter.com/MrFrischi/status/1497941319104278528?t=FLBD_nWJlV_Y9JHcWmU9TA&s=19

LegendärerFrischi🌈 (@MrFrischi)

@SerebiiNet https://t.co/guYYjuJmQM

Twitter · Feb 27, 2022, 2:26 PM

[knotty path]

super cute

[olive forge]

I can't decide wich one I'll pick

[lament glen]

fun facr about green litten: ||it looks like a green litten||

[knotty path]

true

but its

CUTE

so

[patent rivet]

https://mobile.twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1497940856892010499

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Picture: Official artwork for the new Starter Pokémon https://t.co/gDbXkHSvkT https://t.co/FRgWYIgZNM

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Twitter · Feb 27, 2022, 2:25 PM

[dense olive]

i wish i had a switch

[tall meadow]

and then it evolves into a snake

[olive forge]

Teeth

The cat has teeth

[dense olive]

sailor duck

[patent rivet]

Litten looks better, it at least has some neat patterns

[olive forge]

So sabertooth incoming

[late tendon]

that one single middle tooth on the croc

I fuckin love it

[dense olive]

the croc snake thing looks so stupid

i love em

still picking the duck tho

[hardy totem]

Okay, the duck looks a lot better with the official dark. 😄

[abstract linden]

What's on the ducks head tho

[patent rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-duck-dance-subaru-duck-hey-ya-gif-21556666

[abstract linden]

Is that a smile or smth

I mean mouth

[wanton idol]

lol that makes me spriting le funny duck easier

[dense olive]

SAME

[forest egret]

To me it looks like how children draw sea gulls

[fickle birch]

They're the same picture meme. 😛

[dense olive]

what's the difference between them ?

[late tendon]

is that a water hair btw?

[dense olive]

they look the same

[late tendon]

if so, that's cute

I want it to evolve into a sailor

[south trellis]

fuck.

[dense olive]

OH HELL YEAH

sailor duck

[patent rivet]

So is the fire starter gonna become a dragon?

[late tendon]

no

fighting

[dense olive]

i think the fire starter will be a snake

[late tendon]

[dense olive]

crocodile snake thing

[vestal aurora]

Croc.snek

[forest egret]

Duck has blue feet, maybe it's supposed to be a Blue Footed Booby

[late tendon]

wait fuck it's real

[vestal aurora]

Blue boobies

[patent rivet]

Oh right, Charizard is the dragon

[late tendon]

I totally forgot about this birb

[dense olive]

OOOOOOOOH HELL YEAH

[vestal aurora]

Maybe croc will become bull

[dense olive]

blue footed booby sailor duck

[late tendon]

a bull croc pog

[abstract linden]

Hopefully it's not a fire/fighting

[late tendon]

still horse croc

[dense olive]

yeah

[forest egret]

I'm hoping they aren't monotypes if anything

[abstract linden]

Probably not actually it looks more like fire/grass cuz chili

That still isn't it

[lament glen]

based in japan again maybe?

nothing else seems to make sense to me

[abstract linden]

It looks like Europe to me

Spain even

[hardy totem]

Japan? Looks Spanish to me.

[dense olive]

brazil ?

[tall meadow]

no

[lament glen]

Do people in spain wear school uniforms? dont think so

[knotty path]

its spain yeah

the starter names are

[knotty path]

Sprigatito, Fuecoco and Quaxly

definitely spain

[dense olive]

is Quaxly the duck ?

[knotty path]

ye

Sprigatito is the cat

[dense olive]

I LOVE IT

[abstract linden]

Cuutee

[lament glen]

Tito

[late tendon]

FUECOCO

amazing name I lov it

[hardy totem]

https://twitter.com/Bulbagarden/status/1497941136979206151

Bulbagarden (@Bulbagarden)

The translated names for these cuties appears to be Nyaoha, Hogator and Kwass.

Twitter · Feb 27, 2022, 2:26 PM

[knotty path]

thats the japanense names translated.

[dense olive]

Kwass

i don't know what name i love the most

[knotty path]

English names already dropped on the website iirc

[dense olive]

Quaxly or Kwass

[late tendon]

hot gator

[abstract linden]

Gen 9 in 2022 already I can't believe it

[dense olive]

the Pokémons even has details

the Seviper in the trailer has SCALES

[patent rivet]

@late tendon You said grass starters are based on extinct animals, but how are a snake, owl, gorilla, and whatever the fuck Chestnaught is extinct animals?

[hardy totem]

Quaxly
I wonder if it has anything to do with Don Quixote?

[dense olive]

and the Magnemite actually looks like metal

[hardy totem]

Imagine what Mawile and Diancie will look like~

[forest egret]

If the water starter actually is a blue footed booby that might also fit since they're found in Mexico

[lament glen]

hopefully we can discover and colonise america in this game

[dense olive]

what Pokémons are y'all hoping for to have regional variants in these games ?

[patent rivet]

It’s pretty pathetic that this is considered a big step for them with how every other game has done this for so long

[lament glen]

ludicollo but with a mexican hat

[patent rivet]

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1497944762468511748?t=iOj8DgL4Pt9X5OQ9qvwi2w&s=09

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Update: The English names for the new starters are Sprigatito, Fuecoco and Quaxly https://t.co/gDbXkHSvkT https://t.co/WYsb2BGn8G

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Twitter · Feb 27, 2022, 2:40 PM

[knotty path]

Dartrix is based on an extinct species of owl in Hawaii called the stilt owl

[patent rivet]

Sprigatito, Fuecoco and Quaxly seem like such nonsense names

[knotty path]

They're very spanish

mostly

[dense olive]

to be honest, not for me

yeah, these names sounds very spanish

[patent rivet]

I thought the new region looked Spanish

[knotty path]

Sprigatito - sprig + gato + -ito indicating small or young I think? my spanish is bad

it is

[forest egret]

I think they sound cool

[knotty path]

Fuecoco - fire coconut?

Quaxly - lol

[dense olive]

gato is quite literally cat in spanish

[patent rivet]

Coco chocolate

El gato

[late tendon]

snake shows how snakes lost their legs due to an evolution
owl's based on the extinct hawaian owl with LONG legs
gorilla is Gigantopithecus, an extinct monke
chesnaught is some kind of an extinct armored mammal I don't remember the name

[dense olive]

and also in other latin american lenguages like portuguese

[frail fox]

lmao if that trailer isn't emblematic of modern pokemon idk what is. The intense build up, the beautiful live action set, and then the game is shown and it's just a bunch of stiff and awkward camera pans over some gamecube era scenery.

[late tendon]

chesnaught may also be based on knights which are kinda extinct now too lmao

[strong trail]

those starters look fake lol

[patent rivet]

According to Bulbapedia, it’s possibly based on many armored animals, one of the ones they list is the extinct glyptodont

[late tendon]

that's what people say every time the new starters are revealed

[late tendon]

yep, perhaps

[final crater]

also, gigantoboa?

[frail fox]

the starters are neat. grass one is the only one that isn't ugly, but the fire one has me intrigued on what it might become

[hardy totem]

Looks like Portugal to me.

[final crater]

yeah that was about how i felt

[patent rivet]

To be fair, Sobble still looks like a bad fanmade design

[knotty path]

idk it feels like they finally broke the patterns for the startrs but we'll see what the final evos look like

[final crater]

theyre not like terrible

[late tendon]

I bet the cat will turn into a sabletooth tiger cuz that's pretty much the only extinct cat I know

[final crater]

but im reserving judgement til the evos

[knotty path]

TRUE

I'D LOVE THAT

[late tendon]

me too

[hardy totem]

What do yo mean exactly?

[knotty path]

I just hope the cat stays quadruped????

[late tendon]

sobble looked mega cute and turned into whatever intelleon is

[dense olive]

i would love that

[hardy totem]

I can't wait for the cat to go bipedal~! ❤️

[late tendon]

I don't hate intelleon but I was disappointed when I first saw it

[knotty path]

oh y'know the fanmade trope of the fire starters being based off the chinese zodiac, grass starters being extinct animals, and water starters... existing

[hardy totem]

It turned into a stick. 😄

[knotty path]

I dont think the little ghost pepper dino thing is a zodiac animal anyways

but we'll see when final evos drop

[patent rivet]

Even when he was first revealed I thought Sobble looked pretty ugly even though I tried to say I liked him since water type

[frail fox]

the duck is kind of shit though. there's already like 5 duck pokemon, one of which already looks exactly like that one

[knotty path]

its not a duck its a blue footed booby ya boob

[hardy totem]

Boober.

[frail fox]

whatever it is, its basically a duck

[dense olive]

i still love the blue footed booby sailor duck

[knotty path]

that mostly looks like a duck but whatever

[late tendon]

but for now I lov all 3 designs, croc especially

my fuckin lord it looks so cute

[knotty path]

little croc dino pepper lmao

[patent rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/holo-live-subaru-oozora-subaru-v-tuber-virtual-youtuber-gif-17381506

[dense olive]

i hope that the sailor duck will actually turn into a sailor in it's final evo

[knotty path]

yo what if it goes ghost/fire and fully leans into ghost pepper theming that'd be funny

[dense olive]

that would be so goddamn cool

[final crater]

SPRIGORDO REVEAL

[late tendon]

imagine if croc becomes fire grass because chilli

[knotty path]

I just want the grass cat to stay quadruped though I dont want another Incineroar or Delphox situation 😭 😭

[dense olive]

i love that idea

[strong trail]

we just got a fire/ghost starter, no?

[late tendon]

amazing, we're collecting our fan made evos now lmfao

[brisk meteor]

SPRIGATITOOOOOOOOO

[final crater]

sprigordo

[late tendon]

I'm a bit afraid if the duck becomes flying then croc becomes fighting

or grass

[final crater]

please give me

at least

[brisk meteor]

that duck’s evos better be rocking sick pompadours

[final crater]

one

[dense olive]

imagine if Springatito would evolve into a Grass/Rock sabertooth

[modest jasper]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825084845628588063/947506538300457050/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/825084845628588063/947506538539524136/unknown.png
guess we going for (s)pain

[final crater]

flying starter

that stays flying

please

[brisk meteor]

yep it’s spain, my spanish mutual is losing their mind lol

[modest jasper]

i swear if the duck final evo is flying/water

[dense olive]

ooooooooooooh

neat

[late tendon]

OR maybe the duck will become a part fighting type sailor

[brisk meteor]

that would be dope

[late tendon]

we didn't have a water fighting starter yet

[modest jasper]

would be boring as shit

[dense olive]

https://tenor.com/view/jojo-anime-yes-yes-yes-yeah-its-a-yes-gif-17161748

[knotty path]

[brisk meteor]

absolutely love the shape of that little croc beast

[modest jasper]

just duck but big

[strong trail]

that looks kinda radioactive ngl

[brisk meteor]

i’m worried about quality considering the short development time but for now i will allow myself to get lost on the hype

[dense olive]

Sprigatito's final evo's has been revealed !??!?!?!?!?!?! (real) (gone wrong)

[forest egret]

I'm just in this to see new pokemon, don't even own a switch lol

[final crater]

they dont reveal any of the mons

just like pla only revealed

uh

the "good ones"

lol

[wanton idol]

well lmfao for a rough start its decent lol

[modest jasper]

please no please let it stay quadrupal

[brisk meteor]

ducky :]

[dense olive]

ducker

[wanton idol]

its eyes were so hard to sprite

idk if im pleased with them yet

[brisk meteor]

i like it, looks determined

[final crater]

lil guy

[late tendon]

windows activation moment

[dense olive]

sailor duck my beloved

[late tendon]

fire grass, water fighting, green

[dense olive]

mmm green my favorite type

must be a new type for Scarlet and Violet

[knotty path]

[final crater]

idk

[spark belfry]

oh no fire one became bad

[knotty path]

cuties tho

the fire croc is growing on me already

[brisk meteor]

yeah it’s very cute

they’re all charming to me, not sure which one i’ll pick

[late tendon]

is there an official website already?

[dense olive]

kinda weird that Quaxly isn't Water/Flying

[knotty path]

ye

https://scarletviolet.pokemon.com/en-us/

pin it maybe if someone can

[dense olive]

but hey, a pure water type duck is neat

[modest jasper]

like usual pick whatever and drop when something cooler shows up

[south trellis]

well shit man

they showed gameplay

[brisk meteor]

i’m very excited for the possible pokemon a spain based region could bring

[south trellis]

or game footage

at least

[dense olive]

same

[hardy totem]

I wonder who is gonna be the 1000th Pokémon? Is it gonna be in Gen 9?

[knotty path]

spain region has a lot to offer so I hope they do some interesting things yeah

[abstract linden]

The trainer clothes are different based on version

[strong trail]

bah, stripes

[final crater]

rse mode

[brisk meteor]

huh, that’s new but i like it

[vestal aurora]

They could have made it the entire Iberic peninsula

[knotty path]

ok the violet ones look better but the guy still looks uncomfy as fuck

[wanton idol]

look

duck

[south trellis]

but it doesn’t actually look too bad but I hope it gets some visual updates

[dense olive]

Pokémon Violet trainers's clothes looks cool

[vestal aurora]

Portugal and Spain have a lot of history together

[knotty path]

DUCK

[late tendon]

I don't care about how the main characters look that much because I'll customize mine anyway

[frail fox]

I didnt play SwSh, but is the pokemon walking around in the wild a thing that was in that game too? or is this likely to be more like Arceus?

[dense olive]

HOLY SHIT

DUCK

[brisk meteor]

we love duck

[dense olive]

praise the duck

[south trellis]

starter designs are great tho

[wanton idol]

(now we pray that smogon lets me in)

[modest jasper]

that is one way to force the player into customizing

[abstract linden]

Why are they same for both characters it bothers me

[strong trail]

what I'm wondering is if they're gonna restrict as many mons as they did in swsh

[south trellis]

honestly for once I’m interested in the fire starter

he looks stupid I love it

[late tendon]

perhaps they're from one school or whatever

[frail fox]

I think it will become a snake

[wanton idol]

im wondering if we'll ever get the "classic" styled pokemon games back lmfao

[strong trail]

because the quick gameplay footage looked basically exactly the same as swsh as far as I could tell

[frail fox]

if we go by chinese zodiac

[wanton idol]

or its full on arceus

[modest jasper]

https://twitter.com/SerebiiNet/status/1497950021177815041?t=Ft9N7ul2i0X2R9QDsazIKg&s=19

Serebii.net (@SerebiiNet)

Serebii Note: It is listed that you can only put the specific Pokémon available within Pokémon Scarlet & Violet into it through Pokémon HOME indicating not all Pokémon may be coded within
https://t.co/gDbXkHSvkT https://t.co/iOM5Z31Wtd

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Twitter · Feb 27, 2022, 3:01 PM

nat dex is dead forever

[abstract linden]

It's a chili croc I want it to be fire/grass so bad

[strong trail]

well shit

[tall meadow]

snake croc

or goat?

[late tendon]

makes sence, they promised to do that for every next game cuz there's too many mons

[final crater]

murder

[abstract linden]

Natdex is probably not coming back

[dense olive]

[final crater]

i dont even know why honestly

like

dont get me wrong

i get they dont want to need to include them

but they dont even have to

just have them available via transfer

[wanton idol]

duck

[dense olive]

duck

[wanton idol]

now to make the other bois

ye

[south trellis]

speedrunner katten

[wanton idol]

im trying to get into smogon i gotta speedrun

[faint ingot]

What is this channel

[modest jasper]

nat dex was fine until they re added cancer like garchomp/blissey
only took a single dlc to ruin what could be somewhat interesting

[south trellis]

fuecoco my beloved

[late tendon]

why discord doesn't allow me to share pics lmfao

[strong trail]

fuecoco is gonna join totodile and sandile on the bitey bois list

[south trellis]

already better than totodile imo 😳

[forest egret]

You get 3 days in the crocodile pit for this one

[south trellis]

I’ll be fine

it’s in my blood

[late tendon]

bull crocodile is a thing btw

and spane has corrida

[hazy cobalt]

I don't care if nat dex doesn't come back if they give me a way to use snivy on the switch

[late tendon]

bull croc

big boi

now give it horns and it's ready to kick ass

[dense olive]

they chillin'

look at em go

[modest jasper]

i dont think a "gen3 starters on swsh" situation will happen again

[dense olive]

such a powerful yet chill guy

[abstract linden]

The starters are probably coming back

Charizard definitely lol

They're in every gen right?

[late tendon]

I like how they went like
combining fire starter, water creature, and a plant

[hazy cobalt]

Snivy hasn't been usable since USUM so

[modest jasper]

pirate ducky please not a generic water/flying bigger duck

[abstract linden]

I wonder what they'll do to the evolutionary line to differentiate them

[vestal aurora]

I think duck will become water/fight

[tall meadow]

water/ice

[forest egret]

It'll have big arms and an anchor tattoo

[abstract linden]

I'm feeling water/ice too

[hardy totem]

THEM.

[vestal aurora]

Big flabebes

[hardy totem]

The more I think about it, I wonder if the duck is based off greasers?

[hazy cobalt]

Aren't those tiny flabebes

[copper cliff]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue-footed_booby

[vestal aurora]

I was thinking aboht that too

[copper cliff]

booby

[tall meadow]

booba

[abstract linden]

Stop

[hardy totem]

I know, I'm talking about the hair, Kiwi. 😄

[vestal aurora]

Lmao

[vast scroll]

Since the region looks like it’s based on Spain I hope they connect it to the kalos region which is based on France kinda like Kanto and johto

[abstract linden]

The protagonist looks less anime kinda

[wanton idol]

holy shit i thought that was sonic

you know

the rings

[forest egret]

This is Sonic Frontiers

[hardy totem]

Kinda, looks westernized. Reminds me a bit of Metaverse.

[abstract linden]

Yeah that definitely

The models look improved at least

[modest jasper]

the pokemon models you mean

scaly seviper is the best thing out of the trailer

[vestal aurora]

I noticed that and was like

Holy shit

[abstract linden]

The trees look nice too

[patent rivet]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/mario-sonic-and-sora/images/b/b0/Spagonia.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20131020034815

[hardy totem]

Finally, we have entered the GameCube era of trees~!

[wanton idol]

this is what happens when you use ember on the grass starter

[vast scroll]

I also think the Quaxly will be water/steel, the hat gives off a captain of a ship vibe

[gusty mulch]

True lol

[worn flare]

so I have a quick thought how is the Firestarter going to fit in with the Chinese Zodiac because we are still missing horse snake ox and sheep what are yalls thoughts

[gusty mulch]

Looks like a dragon tho

[strong trail]

it'll be a snake, is what people think

[tall meadow]

snake croc

[patent rivet]

Charizard is the dragon

[worn flare]

That was Charizard

[vestal aurora]

I think croc will be bull

[hardy totem]

I fixed Quaxly. :3

[gusty mulch]

Idk, the fire starter reminds me of a dinosaur/dragon

[late tendon]

:3

[abstract linden]

:3

[brisk meteor]

it’s too early to tell obvs but it would be so cool if it was a bull gator. not necessarily a hybrid but just a gator large enough to be classified as a bull gator

[tall meadow]

snake croc

[modest jasper]

a dragon-type that soon ingame? 🤔 it would be pretty broken tbh

[abstract linden]

Why are we ignoring the chili aspect in the design tho

[vestal aurora]

Lmao all starters dragon type

[vestal aurora]

What chili?

[forest egret]

All starters are actually dragon/ghost don't let the colours fool you

[abstract linden]

Yeah the shape of the croc

It's a chili

[brisk meteor]

ignoring my concerns this is my favorite part of a new generation: the endless hype and speculation is so fun

yeah it’s a little chili pepper :]

[tall meadow]

chili, croc, fire
bull or snake

[vestal aurora]

Chili pepper ok

[abstract linden]

Yeah

[vestal aurora]

I was thinking about the recipe lmao

[abstract linden]

I want it to evolve into fire/grass

[modest jasper]

its physically impossible for gf to do a fire/grass mon

[brisk meteor]

that’d be new and unusual for a starter

[abstract linden]

Ofc that would upset the balance but still

[vestal aurora]

Grass/water Fire/grass and Water/fire lmao

[abstract linden]

Nice

[patent rivet]

This is from Sonic Unleashed by the way

[forest egret]

So for the zodiacs, did everyone just kinda accept that Fennekin's supposed to be the dog even though it isn't a dog or what

[tall meadow]

water tiger/lion/feline
chili snake/bull croc
duck phoenix

[abstract linden]

Or it could be like idk, fire/grass for the chili, water/flying cuz fuck to counter the grass typing and idk what else

[tall meadow]

dog = canine
fennekin = fennec = fox = canine

[brisk meteor]

mexican mutual brought this legend up for potentials in fuecoco’s line

[vestal aurora]

Fennek

[abstract linden]

duck I mean duck

[brisk meteor]

fire skull gator dragon would be cool

[patent rivet]

Fennec fox

[abstract linden]

Fire/ghost?

[hardy totem]

Feminine alligator you say~? :3c

[abstract linden]

OH GHOST PEPPER

[vestal aurora]

[brisk meteor]

YES

[wanton idol]

more work on lil' grass thingy

[modest jasper]

bootleg chandelure lets gooo

[vestal aurora]

Another fire/ghost starter

[strong trail]

so, what'll be this gen's gimmick?

[vestal aurora]

[modest jasper]

gmax v2

[copper cliff]

g-min

[abstract linden]

Pleasebemegaspleasebemegaspleasebemegas

[copper cliff]

they get smol

[brisk meteor]

man but i feel terrible for the devs, poor bastards having to churn out so many games in such a short time. push the release date a year or so so it can be polished. don’t want another swsh

[strong trail]

personally I feel like gmax was megas v2, so now we'll get z-moves v2

[abstract linden]

Yeah I feel like it's so soon

[modest jasper]

gmin makes your mon 3x more likely to evade an attack kekw

[final crater]

legends like

just released i feel\

[brisk meteor]

ain’t getting paid enough for this shit

[final crater]

why is gen 9 already needed

[modest jasper]

money

[brisk meteor]

yeah it’s ridiculous, and a 2022 release date is insane

[abstract linden]

Was really surprised when I saw that

Expected 2022 at least

[patent rivet]

https://youtu.be/8CTeLy3Ujxc

[abstract linden]

2023*

[strong trail]

meanwhile today they announced Digimon Survive is delayed

again

[vestal aurora]

I expected 2022

Cause it's usually 3 years after the other gen

[abstract linden]

Yeah I suppose

And the remakes seem to happen every other gen

Or something like that

[modest jasper]

sm dlc:

i really doubt we are getting gen5 remakes on this gen

prob a dlc for poke spain then gen10

[patent rivet]

Before XY it was 4

[brisk meteor]

i just worry for the folks making it and how this kind of crunch is gonna affect them and the game itself

[wanton idol]

andd

[fickle birch]

Gens III and IV were 4 years, I and II were 3, as is everything from V onward. 🙂

[abstract linden]

TPC at least could hire more staff

[fickle birch]

Looks great! 😄

[hazy cobalt]

This isn't the same team as PLA you have to remember

[hardy totem]

Makes me wish Game Freak finally becomes a part of Nintendo, Nintendo has a no crunch policy.

[wanton idol]

only one remains

and then ill post them all over the world

trole

[vestal aurora]

Coco

[brisk meteor]

sprigatito is such a funny name i love it i love saying it

[wide mica]

Everyone seems to be in love with fire or grass starter so water it is for me

[hazy cobalt]

This team likely started development before the gen 8 dlc released

[wide mica]

Which is worrying.

Since gen 8 needed the DLC.

And then they did Arceus.

So

[hazy cobalt]

They didn't do Arceus

[patent rivet]

OK, it was 4 years from 3 to 4 and 4 to 5

[hazy cobalt]

It's not the same dev team, that's my point

[wide mica]

....yes it was? Another team did BDSP

[brisk meteor]

still stupid how fast they’re churning this out, those poor devs

[patent rivet]

But the DLC was just unfinished base game content they then “finished” and released as paid DLC since they’re greedy assholes

[wide mica]

I know.

[abstract linden]

They have two dev teams right?

[hazy cobalt]

Game companies have more than one dev team

[strong trail]

smart game companies do

[wide mica]

With how small GF is?

[hazy cobalt]

Another company entirely did BDSP

[strong trail]

not sure GF does

[fickle birch]

I'm fine with the IX announcement, the games looked a lot better visually. 🙂

[abstract linden]

Except for the one that did home and bdsp

[fickle birch]

Seviper has scales, Magnemite is clearly metallic, and such. 😄

[hardy totem]

If I recall correctly, GF does have at least two teams.

[patent rivet]

And again, it’s so unfortunate that that is a big accomplishment

[gusty mulch]

GF, doing 3 games in 2.5 years

[hazy cobalt]

GF has two dev teams now. They announced that with the PLA announcement

[gusty mulch]

The crunch is real

[patent rivet]

They can’t slow down or they might not get their trillions of dollars as fast as possible

[hardy totem]

Happy camper that Creatures is stepping up their game but I wish they did that a lot sooner for Gen 8.

[abstract linden]

Don't they make more from merchandise?

[hardy totem]

I wonder how much GF even gets from the game sales? TPC gets all of the merch sales if I recall correctly.

[gusty mulch]

Reminds me of this

[patent rivet]

Going from SM to SV is a more reasonable upgrade than from SM to SwSh, which was really a downgrade in most ways

[fickle birch]

I wish that they did it sooner too, but at least it shows they weren't lying when they said they were trying to improve how Pokémon looked. It just took them a long while. 😂

[gusty mulch]

"Realistic" gaming

[abstract linden]

SwSh looks like a handheld game while this one does look like a console game yep

[forest egret]

Minecraft realism texture packs

[copper cliff]

what do yall think of the pla dlc btw 🤔 🤔

[abstract linden]

Wait is that Minecraft? I wouldn't be surprised -

[hardy totem]

I still wonder how nice Mawile and Diancie will look~ :3c

[hazy cobalt]

Still hundreds of millions. Probably they project the games to add to merchandise sales as well

[forest egret]

It's gonna be a free update

[brisk meteor]

the hardcore pokemon fan i am i really want to be excited but the implications of them already thrusting out a new generation not even a month after legends arceus’ release are. concerning to say the least. like they really could’ve just settled on giving us like, i don’t know – dlc for legends arceus or even bdsp, a new spin-off title, something to hold us down until at least next year…… at least next year…… but now i’m fully convinced that these poor developers aren’t sleeping

[copper cliff]

still dlc tho

im just kinda cuz i evolved all the hisui mons just yesterday and now theres wild wyrdeer

[fickle birch]

Legends stuff goes in the Legends channel. 😛

[copper cliff]

there's a different channel

[hazy cobalt]

I still don't know why you guys think that the PLA team and the gen 9 team are the same team.

[fickle birch]

One above this. 😅

I didn't realise we'd do both at the same time, but here we are. 😂

[patent rivet]

That doesn’t matter, it’s still the same company releasing the games super close together

[copper cliff]

i just woke up my eyes dont work

[wanton idol]

otline

outlo

yes

[abstract linden]

Hmm so, so far we have red, blue, green, yellow, gold, silver, black, white and now scarlet and violet as the colors

[forest egret]

Funny pepper croc

[hazy cobalt]

There are other games companies that have even higher game output

[fickle birch]

Just a warning, Smogon folks have already reserved the starters there. 😛

[wanton idol]

i dont care

i sprite

[fickle birch]

I found that out the hard way during Gen VIII. 😂

I'm probably gonna take my own stab at them too. 🙂

[hardy totem]

I won't even be surprised if they don't get any sleep. Reminds me of how company like Sega would lock programmers in rooms with just a PC and won't let them out until they're done with it, Sega's Sonic Team lost nearly all of their good talent to Nintendo because of that.

[wanton idol]

hell ye

have fun with that

[patent rivet]

The gen 3 and 4 games are technically colors too

[abstract linden]

Technically ig

[patent rivet]

That is what I said

[abstract linden]

Yeah in a loose sense maybe

Hm so the only secondary type I'm very sure about is fire/ghost

Water/flying seems so generic

Water/ice too

[forest egret]

I'm hoping for the Water/Fighting sailor personally

[fickle birch]

I'm hoping that they stole my Fakemon concept and we get a Grass/Rock sabretooth tiger for the cat. 🙂

[hardy totem]

They will also make it bipedal~! 😍

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/8ftZPMZcX67sKAl6qJ1jkiQKdvXPxpVg46Vz14MlYyQ/%3Fformat%3Dpng%26name%3D900x900/https/pbs.twimg.com/media/FMnJbMLVIAQh2SY

[forest egret]

My friend was talking about how they could go the route of making it some sort of zorro-style fencer because of it's mask-like pattern. I could see it. The cat could be anything at this point since it's just a cat, the other 2 have additional aesthetic features

[abstract linden]

Grass/rock is an underrated typing imo

Shame only fossils have it

[wanton idol]

the eyes

why

[fickle birch]

I have no idea what Quaxly is going to become. Maybe a Water/Steel bejewelled king or something? 😮

[fickle birch]

They look really good so far! 😄

[abstract linden]

It could be cuz anchors ig

[forest egret]

I'm still thinking sailor, hopefully not water/steel due to that being Empoleon's thing but ig they could

[limpid depot]

Empoleon already has a king thing going on

[fickle birch]

Oh I forgot about Empoleon for a second. 😂

[abstract linden]

Well we've had like 3 fire/fighting so yeah

[fickle birch]

It's seemingly based on this. 😅

[forest egret]

And look at how happy that makes people

[copper cliff]

booby

boobies arent ducks tho are they

[hazy cobalt]

Fire/steel, water/fighting, grass/fairy

[fickle birch]

No, but they can be based on multiple things. 😅

[forest egret]

A booby isn't a duck but they can mix it up a bit, Bulbasaur is a frog dinosaur thing

[manic fable]

hehe, boobies

[fickle birch]

I've seen a lot of people saying that Fuecoco looks like a pepper. 🙂

[forest egret]

And then there's Magmar who's a weird booby dinosaur man creature

[abstract linden]

Me included hehe

[forest egret]

Yeah, the body is pepper-shaped

[abstract linden]

I'm 100% sure it's a ghost pepper now

No one can convince me otherwise

[fickle birch]

I've seen people suggesting that it might become more snake-like and then resemble a chili more, which could be cool considering crocodile snakes are a thing. 😄

[fickle birch]

Though a lot of people are just using that to cling to the Chinese Zodiac thing, which was never a real thing. 😛

[late tendon]

the upper tooth on croc must be white tho

like the lower ones

spritework moment

[wanton idol]

nope lol

[forest egret]

Cyndaquil and Fennekin are still a stretch to me for the Zodiacs

[wanton idol]

the official artwork doesnt do it like that

WAIT shit

it only has one tooth

[late tendon]

but it does

ye

[fickle birch]

I agree, it's literally not a real thing. 😂

[abstract linden]

The official artwork has all teeth yellowish

[fickle birch]

It does look the same colour as the skin there though, oddly. 😮

[abstract linden]

Same color as skin yeah

[fickle birch]

Maybe just use a slightly yellower shade of grey for the shadow. 🙂

[late tendon]

yep, all 3

[late tendon]

it still has this line that distinguishes the mouth and the tooth