pokemon-winds-waves

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/penguins-knife-rico-rico-penguin-rico-penguin-with-knife-gif-5221448709743999609

So you say Browt gets a knive

[hidden topaz]

Everyone thinks Pombon becomes Greater Dog, but no-one thinks that Browt becomes Frank

(That's a very deep cut reference if I say so myself)

[eager flower]

(damn, now I wish Glastrier and Spectrier could combine without Calyrex - just for this reference)

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/jungle-cruise-jungle-cruise-frank-gif-22570872

[hidden topaz]

What?

I was on about EarthBound

[lyric stratus]

nuh uh

[hidden topaz]

The leader of the Sharks?

Frank?

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/hazbin-hazbin-hotel-egg-oooh-suprised-gif-6196091022658114725

oooh it becomes a egg boy

[hidden topaz]

Oh hey it's the "bank accounts are a scam created by the shadow government" guy

Anyway, going back to topic, all I hope for Gen 10 is that it's good

And accurate to the country it represents

[lyric stratus]

I want a alien pokemon that can evolve into multiple diffrent alienmons with diff types and even a legendary and we call it something like Benlien

You know it would fit the gen being 10

[hidden topaz]

Because please explain why in Spain the Legendary Quartet are the Four Perils from Chinese Mythology, we go to Japan and America in the DLC instead of somewhere similar to Spain or elsewhere, like Portugal, no one really speaks Spanish, and if they do it's literally only one word or slang, there are barely any coastal towns, and there's an icy mountain in a Region based on a (decently) hot country

[hidden topaz]

Eh

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/heatblast-gif-20280376

[hidden topaz]

Probably legal issues

But an alien Pokemon would be cool

Like an Orbulon-esque one

Not like your Elgyems

Like a full on alien

[lyric stratus]

I like Elgyem

https://tenor.com/view/elgyem-pokemon-psychic-cute-hi-gif-27186815

https://tenor.com/view/beheeyem-pokemon-sturdy-dance-elgyem-gif-9788705451169514077

[pearl cape]

i love browt, hes so baby

[brazen aurora]

I want Gecqua to be a Water/Psychic Fortune Teller that has a Crystal Ball made out of water. If Game Freak meets this requirement maybe I’ll choose it over Pombon.

[royal wren]

BEEHEEYEM GONNA BE IN WIWA??? YAYYY I CAN BEAT THE CHAMPION WITH MY ALIEN AGAIN!!!

[jade ocean]

Hah lmao no

Hoping that the majority of Pokemon in any game is mostly based off animals in that region is kinda just

Not smart?

I mean we got elephants in Japan and zebras in America

And lions in France

Also Spain does in fact have icy mountains

[lyric stratus]

Acting like Lions have no connection with europe

[jade ocean]

Didn't they go extinct in France like a few thousand years ago

[lyric stratus]

I rather meant since they are everywhere in Europe in diffrent forms like on flags, shields etc

Pyroars mane is shaped like one of those old fancy shields they used for decoration

[jade ocean]

I mean they still aren't currently wild animals in Europe but I guess that's a better reason to have lions in France than like

Whatever the explanation for Zebstrika being in Unova is

[lyric stratus]

Im sure it has a good reason too

[jade ocean]

America also has durians

Apparently

Tbf I'm sure someone somewhere in America is trying to grow durians

Maybe

But I feel like they're very much more of a SEA thing

Speaking of that, if Ferrothorn doesn't appear in Gen 10 I'm rioting

Partially because of this and partially also because I fucking need this mf on my team competitively ASAP

Oh and Raijin and Fujin also ended up in America

And the Three Musketeers

Ngl yknow what's crazy?

I went to go research which regions have out of place legendaries

And like

I think the only SV Legendary native to anywhere in SV is Terapagos

Because didn't Ogerpon come from somewhere outside Kitakami?

And Pecharunt + the Loyal 3 did too

The Paradoxes including Koraidon and Miraidon aren't even from this time period

And the Treasures of Ruin were sealed in Paldea but originated from another region too

Anyways the answer is like, all of them except 4, 7 and 8

[forest egret]

And daoist dragons

[jade ocean]

I was gonna say maybe you could say Urshifu is out of place? At the same time you get given to it at a fighting dojo that just happened to teach those sorts of fighting styles and I'd imagine that there's probably some people teaching this sorta stuff in like, most countries

So like close enough really

[forest egret]

I vaguely recall seeing something in one of the later gen's leaked design docs about how they felt they didn't do a great job with Unova being america, and outline improving the concept

For future gens after

[jade ocean]

I doubt that's because of the legendaries though

[forest egret]

Nah I meant in general

[jade ocean]

Considering how many regions have out of place legendaries

Who invited Jormungandr to France

Anyways I don't really have issues with it personally

[forest egret]

I guess he's all over the world

[jade ocean]

I'm just pointing it out because someone else had issues with it for Paldea

When like

It ain't even a Paldea issue it's a Pokemon issue

[forest egret]

How many of the box legends are actually native to their particular region anyway

[jade ocean]

I don't think Rayquaza's really native to any region

Considering it kinda just chills in the atmosphere

And to be fair, it doesn't really have Japanese roots either

[forest egret]

He has his big tower but he presumably spends most of his time in space, yeah

[jade ocean]

Mewtwo was created in Kanto

Not really a box art legend

[velvet forum]

unova was great

[jade ocean]

But it has the stats of one

So close enough

I think we could probably assume Ho-Oh is native to Johto

Same with Lugia, we don't have any reason to assume they aren't native to Johto

Though tbf that's moreso because we barely know jack shit about them in terms of lore

Groudon and Kyogre predated regions

So it'd feel wrong to say they'd be native to any of them

Same applies to the Creation Trio

I'm pretty sure the Tao Trio are aliens

Tbf that is just legend

I don't think Kyurem being from space and being leftovers from the Original Dragon are mutually exclusive

For all we know the Original Dragon was from space

[forest egret]

Perhaps "native" is the wrong term. How many of the box legends live in their region, rather.

• Lugia and Ho-Oh live in Johto
• Kyogre and Groudon live in Hoenn, Rayquaza I guess just visits
• Dialga and Palkia don't live in Sinnoh they presumably don't even live in our dimension in their off time. Giratina absolutely doesn't.
• Zekrom and Reshiram do seem to live in Unova, though we don't know if the Original Dragon is from there, we just know he split in unova.
• Xerneas and Yveltal are implied to exist anywhere on the planet and just-so happened to be in Kalos at the time, rather than actually living there permanently. Zygarde is a hivemind creature who exists simultaniously around the globe.
• Solgaleo and Lunala are aliens
• Zacian and Zamazenta do seem to live in Galar
• Koraidon and Miraidon are paradox creatures so they're kinda Paldean but also not

[jade ocean]

Oh yeah in terms of living in their regions then it's like uhh

Lugia, Ho-Oh, Kyogre, Groudon, Zekrom, Reshiram, Kyurem, Zacian and Zamazenta

Eternatus is a fucking big space murder alien dragon

[robust wren]

In terms of non-box legends, The Treasures of Ruin only ended up in Paldea cause they were items traded to the king, so they could be from anywhere

[forest egret]

Maybe they're from the chinese region that we'll never see

[robust wren]

That does track with their names, and maybe with the extremely loose connection they have to some Chinese demons I don't remember

The Four Perils, apparently

[forest egret]

That's what Bulbapedia says, though the Four Perils don't match them in terms of animals or appearance or anything so it is a little tenuous

It kinda just starts and ends at them being "4 evil things"

[robust wren]

Yeah, definitely a bigger fan of where their theming comes from when ignoring that. Like Wo-Chien being the embodiment of an idiom essentially calling someone so sinful that all the parchment in the world wouldn't be enough to write down all their sins.

[forest egret]

He's my favourite

I usually don't use legendaries in my playthroughs but Wo-Chien had a spot on my SV team

[robust wren]

I will say that the Four Perils thing works well for Ting-Lu and a potential connection to the taotie, but that's really the only one that works super well

[normal zodiac]

I'm really hoping we got more fossil pokemon

[robust wren]

Going by the pattern of release they've seen, we probably will

[jade ocean]

Ngl a Pangolin Pokemon would be pretty cool

And this is probably a decent time to add one

And also considering that Pangolins are endangered at that Kabuto does seem to draw inspiration from an endangered species of horseshoe crab as well as the trilobite, maybe bits of the pangolin could be incorporated into a fossil Pokemon?

That'd be cool I think

[unborn cave]

pangolins are beautiful

we need a pangolinmon

[robust wren]

Isn't Sandslash kinda a Pangolin?

[unborn cave]

sort of

but i think its more of a hedgehog or smth like that

WAIT JM STUPID

nvm

i forgot what sandslash wad for a sec

isnt it an armadillo

[robust wren]

Sandshrew is more armadillo-y, but the spikiness of Sandslash says Pangolin more

Pangolins also spend a lot of time on 2 feet while armadillos are mostly on fours so that's another debatable point in favor of them being pangolins, but there's tons of bipeds in Pokémon based off of normally quadrupedal stuff. Kinda a big contentious point in the series.

[unborn cave]

another pangolin could be cool tho

like a

water pangolin

or snth

smth

[robust wren]

Have we had a proper tiger Pokémon yet? The closest I can think of RN is Landorus-T being based off of the Byakko, but that's it

[jade ocean]

Incineroar is bipedal but it is definitely also a tiger

Does that count?

[jade ocean]

Idk tbh

Maybe

Wouldn't be too surprised given Kangaskhan is supposedly a kangaroo

[forest egret]

Raikou probably

[jade ocean]

Ok but that one will have people debating that it's actually a dog or it's nothing at all

Even though it has been directly stated to be based on a tiger

[forest egret]

People can debate all they want lol he's definitely not a dog

[robust wren]

Genuinely no idea how the legendary dog thing even started when Suicune is the only one that even remotely (and even then barely) looks canine

Okidogi has more things pointing towards it being a cat (the stock tiger snarl used in its cry) than Raikou has pointing towards it being a dog

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/incineroar-default-dance-pokemon-fortnite-dance-emote-gif-2545029317203136789

[autumn shore]

I'm wondering who or what the main legendary Pokémon will be?
Something related to the sky and ocean I see?
Hopefully there will be a third to complete the trio?
And one more thing: NO MORE DLC EXCLUSIVES

[finite totem]

technically you need dlc to catch, not obtain pokemon

(well you could have traded dlc pokemon in but not sure if it got changed in za)

[lime void]

I don’t have the DLC and someone traded me a Feebas

[opal gull]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=at4GtfcRo_I

[opal gull]

they do dlc instead of 3rd versions, doubt that changes

[lyric stratus]

Guy since Pokopia talks about a Yellow Shellos do you think we get a new variant in gen 10?

[finite totem]

I feel rather more of an update but could be

[robust wren]

Banana slug time I guess

[finite totem]

To be fair do you want to buy the isle of mega teal breeze for 30 dollars or pokemon lands for 80?

[robust wren]

Something I would really like to see is a Tropius evolution, preferably one that still flies as opposed to all the fanmade ones that seem to ignore one of the most charming parts of its design

[lyric stratus]

I mean if its, as I expect, a indonesian region it would fit very well. Didnt Bananas originate there?
Kinda feels like either Tropius get something now or never

That makes me wonder

Would Evolite Tropius be any good?

BST 460
HP 99
ATK 68
Def 83
SPATK 72
SPDef 87
Speed 51

Just notice how Tropius has more SP atk

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-anime-love-love-you-i-love-you-gif-25494006

[robust wren]

According to Wikipedia, they were native to Australia and Indomalaya, and first domesticated in New Guinea. So in that general area.

[lyric stratus]

Googled again
Seems like they mainly get sold from Indonesia and India

Okay so maybe its not a has to get something now thing but it would be a good time

I am also excited to see gen 10s regional forms

Toucannon could get a convergent form

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-flying-gliding-our-planet-our-planet-forests-gif-17110963

OOOH WHAT IF we get a Clouded leopard Pokemon that has wind controll abilitys with smoke and clouds

https://tenor.com/view/lets-go-snow-leopard-day-indias-wild-leopards-together-walking-on-tree-trunk-gif-18796661

[tardy heath]

new evo meaby?

[jade flare]

That is if we get one seen as folk think kilowattrel doesn't count

[lyric stratus]

Sorry but idk what you try to say

[jade flare]

When we got scarlet and violet folk were saying that kilowattrel wasn't the regional bird because it wasn't available till later

[lyric stratus]

Tbf I think the reason for Kilowattrel being so late was open world

But I more meant like Alola form and so

[normal zodiac]

Kibby

[jade flare]

Fair but even still

[finite totem]

Their route 1 had like a single pokemon original 😭🙏

For comparison Galar Route 1 has like 4?

5 actually how tf is nickit a galarian pokemon

and only 3 off-region encounters (is this most crowded route 1 too?(No Alola is and it also has more original encounters))

[lyric stratus]

Iam still kinda sad how Nickit turned out so bad in its evo

https://tenor.com/view/nickit-playfully-cute-pokémon-gif-15776030853048908419

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-thievul-sunburst-gif-10476629700002909157

Okay well my main problem is its little villain beard

And the weird look it has

[finite totem]

I am glad it isn't salanzit 2.0

[lyric stratus]

I kinda like the Salandit line

[cunning sierra]

hear me out; a regional Vanillish line that's based off of Halo Halo

or just a Halo Halo Pokemon in general would be really creative considering it matches the region inspiration

and considering that its ice cream mixed in with sweetened beans and fruit, this could be the second ever Grass/Ice type ever

[severe pier]

I can almost garuntee that Sky Battles and Soaring are going to come back in Gen 10

[robust wren]

Please no Sky Battles. Some Pokémon still have had their animations ruined from that garbage mechanic

Soaring, sure. That would be awesome. But no Sky Battles

[severe pier]

Its called Pokemon winds waves for a reason

also Pokemon can have seperate flying animations as shown with Gen 9

[robust wren]

I would rather Gamefreaks implementation of "winds" doesn't include forcing half of the bird Pokémon into horizontal T-poses like what happened to Swellow and Xatu

[undone sky]

tropius will get a prevo this gen # trust

[indigo mango]

finally someone asking for that instead of an evo

it doesnt need an evo look wise, but its too big to really feel good as a baby

Turtonator especially

[lyric stratus]

I would say the opposite, its too big for a evo

[indigo mango]

said that

said it doesnt need an evo but its too big to be a baby (aka should get a pre evo)

[lyric stratus]

BUT a evo is possible if they go more into dino territory

[indigo mango]

evos are always possible (Duraladon) but a pre fits better

[unborn cave]

bro that is NOT human

[lyric stratus]

?

[cunning sierra]

yeah, its a fox

[viral tundra]

"That rabbit is not human bro"
-Abraham Lincoln

[severe pier]

Indonesia is also where bananas are native to

So a roselia treatment would fit really well too

[lyric stratus]

EVERYONE HEARS SOUND

[jade ocean]

You just gave me an evil idea

Ferrothorn Evolution

After all, durians are native to SEA

And Ferrothorn's BST is in the range of getting an evolution

I mean it doesn't need one but neither did Bisharp

[vast fossil]

So it was just pointed out to me. S/V was the first dragon box legends in 15 years. So they could go the dragon route and it wouldn't be weird

I never realized that but yeah thinking about it. The last time we had dragon box legends was gen 5

[robust wren]

I would argue Ultra Necrozma qualifies as a boxart Dragon legend

[vast fossil]

I would not.

Its still solgeleo and lunala. They are just possessed

[robust wren]

Put the Ultra Sun and Ultra Moon boxes together the right way and you see Ultra Necrozma.

[vast fossil]

It was never on the box itself

Yeah possessing solgeleo and lunala. Which were the actual main pokemon on the box

[robust wren]

1: they're still listed as Necrozma in the Dex
2:

[vast fossil]

It possessing them does not count.

[robust wren]

It does if the dex counts it

[vast fossil]

Im not gonna argue with someone who thinks ignoring the main pokemon in the art counts as box legends.

[robust wren]

You mean yourself? Cause the games literally describe Dusk Mane and Dawn Wings as Necrozma

It's Necrozma's entire body formed around Solgaleo and Lunala and has assumed full control of their movements. It absolutely counts as being Necrozma.

[jade ocean]

They're

They're called Dusk Mane NECROZMA

And Dawn Wings NECROZMA

But that's not even the relevant part

The relevant part is that Ultra Necrozma is clearly on the box art

Which is actually a Dragon type

Anyways, tbh, the Dragon type box art legendaries not being around hasn't felt that major

Considering the 3rd legendaries still continued to be Dragon types

Zygarde, Unec and Eternatus are all Dragon types

And I mean they sure as hell feel as legendary as the box arts

Heck, I'd argue that Ultra Necrozma and Eternatus felt more legendary

And Zygarde too as of ZA I guess idk

[severe pier]

the main pokemon on the box are Necrozma Dusk Mane form and Necrozma Dawn Wings form

[vast fossil]

Possession does not change what people would think

[robust wren]

If people are gonna consider Ogerpon, Urshifu, Calyrex, and Terapagos as essentially boxart legends for repping the DLC despite not being on the art of any box, I definitely feel like we should count Ultra Necrozma when it is on the boxart, even as a hidden-in-plain-sight detail

[jade ocean]

That said I don't feel any particular way about a box art legendary's type

I mean unless it's garbage

[vast fossil]

If you showed them the box art people would say lunala and solgeleo. Noone is gonna say its necrozma

[jade ocean]

Lunala got done dirty :(

[vast fossil]

Thats what makes a box legendary

[robust wren]

If anything, the Ultra Necrozma detail means there's more Necrozma on the boxart than Solgaleo or Lunala

[vast fossil]

Recognition

[jade ocean]

I sure as hell would say that's Necrozma on the box art

[robust wren]

Gamefreak themselves recognize the USUM boxarts as forms of Necrozma.

[jade ocean]

And the 2 other people that have said something about this in this conversation say that's Necrozma on the box att

Gamefreak also says that's Necrozma on the box art

So uhh I think that's Necrozma

[robust wren]

Put these 2 side by side and I would definitely assume most would recognize Ultra Necrozma

[jade ocean]

Man I forgot they didn't align this shit

That's so annoying to look at

[next charm]

Spriters of wind wave chat does this look like a box sprite

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[forest egret]

Goes hard

[desert current]

It is LITERALLY programmed in the code itself that they are classified as forms of Necrozma, not forms of Solgaleo and Lunala. And CANONICALLY Solgaleo and Lunala are not in control Necrozma is. When it transforms into Ultra Necrozma, it is not "Ultra Solgaleo possessed by Necrozma" its just "Ultra Necrozma." All aspects of the original legendaries dissappears, as they are completely absorbed as part of its body.

And after all of that, YOU CAN CLEARLY SEE NECROZMA'S ARMS AND BODY PARTS IN THE IMAGE. Necrozma is literally on the box art. Whether or not Solgaleo and Lunala are also there, whether or not they're possessed, "It was never on the box itself" is OBJECTIVELY false.

[desert current]

No they would call it Dusk-Mane Necrozma and Dawn-Wings Necrozma, because that's literally what they're called.

Nobody is over here looking at the box art of Black 2 and White 2 and saying "oh yeah that's Zekrom and Reshiram fused with Kyurem" they'd just say "White Kyurem and Black Kyurem."

[forest egret]

Tuff

[quiet minnow]

make it angry 😄

every water starter after greninja is legit toothpick wth

[fickle birch]

It's cute! I like it. 😄

[opaque osprey]

This is too cute to not share
Artist: pakkopako

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[finite totem]

Anyways any expectations for new evolutions of older pokemon?

[velvet forum]

Durant and heatmor

[forest egret]

That would be kinda sick

And potentially horrifying in terms of strength

Bisharp, Ursaring and Annihilape show what happens when you give evos to pokemon that had comparatively full-evo stats beforehand

I can't deny that it's rather humorous seeing underperforming pokemon evolve into vicious nightmares though

[unborn kelp]

ledian

pls

it needs it

[tame remnant]

I want a Mawile evolution so badly but already having a mega put it in purgatory.

I will find whoever gave Mawile its statspread and do heinous things to them.

[robust wren]

Tropius

[velvet forum]

Theres not much you can do with tropius i dont think

maybe a mega

[sweet sentinel]

Arbok and tropius not getting an evo or mega is a crime I think they finally will have a chance this gen

[indigo mango]

Prevo

[jade ocean]

Nah fuck it they gave Duraludon an evolution

If they can give one dogshit 1 stage Pokemon an evolution

They can give it to another

I do stand by my previous stance on Archaludon's existence being fine since Duraludon was such a fucking fraud

And for a similar reason I think Tropius should get an evolution

Helps that unlike Duraludon, Tropius is both an old Pokemon and doesn't even have a good BST

[humble meteor]

Duraladon was a fraud?

[velvet forum]

Woah woah woah?

dogshit?

[jade ocean]

Look at Tropius' stats for me real quick

[jade ocean]

Also, yes

[velvet forum]

Duruladon was never a fraud

[jade ocean]

Steel/Dragon and 535 BST and it still manages to be bad

[velvet forum]

u must have never used it correctly then

[humble meteor]

Duraladon on Roy's team was terrifying for me

[jade ocean]

I don't really care if it works in a playthrough or not because like what doesn't?

Uhh

Unown probably?

Idk

[lament spoke]

sunflora is a nice candidate, what the heck does it do

[robust wren]

If there were people here who could beat Infinite Fusion, a game I would say is about on par with the mainline series in terms of difficulty, with a Sunkern, I imagine Sunflora is still workable for a singleplayer playthrough

[sweet sentinel]

Ledian with its base 35 attack

[open grove]

i made my dog (very poorly) look like pombom

[grim saffron]

hi can someone help me

i need help downlouding the game

[open grove]

are you on mac or windows?

[jagged cedar]

They slandering my goat 😭

[jagged cedar]

Go to #downloads if you haven't already, the links have tutorials on how to install iirc

Oh I think they left

[wraith swan]

what are u going with or feel more with the starters

[indigo mango]

probably dog

i like the gecko but its def gonna be humanoid and the bird...like 70% humanoid. the dog i give 55% humanoid

nothing against people wanting em. they are great for uhh arts but i like playing with mons i could see as pets

[wraith swan]

yee same same

[indigo mango]

this time i will probably watch the trailers for the starters, didnt last time

kinda glad i didnt last time, Fucoco turning into an amazing looking Aligator was awesome blind. but this time i do wanna see my pics

[wraith swan]

but its funny af how the bird was first just a angry bird and now everbody is like he is gangsta

[indigo mango]

while its description has him as very energetic

[fluid spear]

I'm picking browt this time around. Grass birds just end up being sick

I stopped choosing water starters back in gen 7 because of rowlet. Then I chose fuecoco because who doesn't love a cute chili pepper crocodile

[desert current]

I read "I am dangerous" in the same tone as "ARMED AND DANGEROUS" from Marvel Rivals (for context I don't even play Marvel Rivals 💀).

[solar crown]

Yeahhh

[forest egret]

He's so green

[quiet minnow]

Imagine if he becomes a strategy for new F.E.A.R

[tepid flame]

F.E.A.R. The Browt

I love that song

[jagged cedar]

F.E.A.B will be the best strategy in the game

[slate loom]

Brout just doesnt even look like a pokemon x~x

[cunning sierra]

People tend to say that whenever new games come out usually

[jagged cedar]

I mean it looks more like a Pokémon than pombon

I'm not the biggest fan of the starters but I'm sure they'll grow on me more when the evolutions come out

[slate loom]

Brout is just... too simple? Something about it just hits the 'looks like a cheap knockoff' effect to me, I think honestly its the green is TOO bright, and the design is too lacking. Its got birdTM shape, and angry leaf eyebrows and thats it. It looks like a mockup model you throw together for a concept instead of a final pokemon

[jagged cedar]

Yeah that makes sense

All we can do is hope that they evolve into something cool ig

[slate loom]

Pombon looks pretty pokemon like to me, its hair tuff speaks fire type without being as overt as brout smacking leaves on his brows, and his floofy face is at least a good silhouette

Sobble- I mean Gecqua has some design to it, but those eyes scream littlest petshop and I cant unsee it now. Its one of those little toy creatures.

https://tenor.com/view/idle-armor-armour-spear-dog-gif-26256473

So far, Pombon is my favorite, and despite what people say, I REALLY need it to stand up- I need it to be buff and strong, but keep its adorable fluffy face. I need undertale dog.

[jagged cedar]

All I can see when I look at pombon is just
That's a normal dog

[slate loom]

Pokemon do be makin just 'a dog' alot. Furfrou, stoutland, Maschiff

[autumn shore]

I believe Winds and Waves uses an upgraded Switch 2 graphics engine so quite possibly Switch 2 Pro or OLED?

[jagged cedar]

Depending on how the games are when they come out I might consider actually getting a switch 2

But I can't say I have much hope

[fickle birch]

Duraludon, Ursaring and Bisharp have received evolutions recently. Not a single one of them would have been on my radar. 😂

It's crazy that Ursaring and Bisharp now belong in the same evolution category as Metapod, Skiploom and Trumbeak. 😅

[jade ocean]

Wasn't expecting them either but tbf the only one I think didnt make sense was Bisharp

Duraludon was a massive fraud and Ursaring was straight up bad competitively

[fickle birch]

I mean yeah, they were terrible, but how many other terrible Pokémon (Ledian) who are much, much worse (Ledian) could have done with evolutions first (Ledian)?

I love Ledian's design, but it is diabolically useless. 😭

[jade ocean]

You did NOT need to do Ledian like that

[fickle birch]

Ledian did itself like that by being so awful. 😂

[forest egret]

I think even if they're underpowered, a pokemon like Ursaring or Bisharp still have stats comparable to many final evos, so them getting evolutions was always going to end up with something overpowered

[jade ocean]

Bisharp isn't underpowered though

Duraludon is

Ursaring is

Bisharp isn't

All 3 have very strong evos though

[forest egret]

Bisharp was pretty good in his debut but slowly got powercrept as time went on. He's not bad and definitely stronger than someone like Ursaring, but he's not exceptional seeing as how he only had like 1 good stat

A very good stat, but 1 nonetheless

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[jagged cedar]

Bisharp can have eviolite now, so that definitely helps with the defense stats

[fickle birch]

I hope that we're fully back on the cross-gen evolution train now. 😄

And I hope that Ledian is finally made even slightly usable. 🙂

[jade ocean]

Was still OU in Gen 8 iirc

Though RU in Gen 9 does imply Gen 9 powercreep hit it like a megaton bomb

But really what didn't it hit like a megaton bomb Staraptor got sent straight to NU to be outclassed by Flamigo

It's certainly still a good Pokemon

And not one that needed an evolution

[forest egret]

From a design perspective I still prefer Bisharp to Kingambit too

I get what his design is and why it's like that, but I don't like how it looks too much

[jade ocean]

I prefer Kingambit but to each their own

That said I fucking hate fighting Kingambit oh my god

They sure made it stronger, all right

If I see anyone tryna go "haha eviolite goes brr bisharp better" I am going to systematically list down every example of an eviolite mon being "better" and state why it isn't

Except for Dusclops vs Dusknoir because they're so ass there's genuinely nothing to say

Genuine trash vs garbage type shit

[forest egret]

Eviolite Chansey also isn't too bad

Though it's more of a discard-and-draw than anything else

[jade ocean]

Idk though, those shoes are looking real nice right now

[daring finch]

I think kingambit wouldve been cooler if he would stand up more

[forest egret]

I think it's ok that he's on his weird hair stool, but I wish that he like, hopped when he moved

Instead of just floating

[daring finch]

I wish he would stand up when moving

like he would Aurafarm on his stool until he has to attack

[jagged cedar]

Buff ledian to 135 base attack

[forest egret]

Every single fan made evo of Ledian is like "Yeah we gave him 160 atk and Pure Power"

[fickle birch]

Only 160? Still useless. 😂

[finite totem]

Still salt cure ohko

Also I feel ledian would be better with a moderate bulk and high speed instead

[fickle birch]

It needs more Attack, Defence, Special Defence, Speed, and better moves. 😂

[velvet forum]

im excited for this next game

I dont even need to see the legendaries to know i want waves

[robust wren]

I would say Bisharp was kinda mid in its debut. Gen 5 was when a lot of Fighting types were at their best, Fairy types didn't exist yet so it's STAB wasn't the best, and it was the Steel type that was hurt the least from the type getting nerfed.

Gen 6 is definitely when it first hit its stride

[forest egret]

He was still OU in gen 5, no?

[robust wren]

UU

[forest egret]

Huh. Fair enough

[fickle birch]

But that was in no small part because of how dominating the Fighting type was at the time. The nerf to Fighting from's Fairy inroduction and being a Steel-type that could in turn deal with those Fairies probably helped it out in Gen VI. Mega powercreep may have pushed it back down, though. 😅

[vapid epoch]

i just hope pombon is a fire fairy type when it evolves

and stays on 4 legs

they should draw inspiration from the tibetan mastiff

[jagged cedar]

I think pombon should be another fire/dark with intimidate

[velvet forum]

Nothing about pombon eminates dark type vibes

[velvet forum]

its gonna be one of these

[modest cave]

Barong mention

https://tenor.com/view/barong-smt-shin-megami-tensei-gif-25088647

[fickle birch]

As long as that description doesn't mean it'll be another Fire/Ghost starter, I'm all for it. 😄

[modest cave]

Fire/Fairy maybe

[turbid ferry]

Maybe fire/dark

[opaque geyser]

fire dark would be cool but the type on a fire starter is always gonna make me think incineroar

[finite totem]

Yey fire/fighting 🥳

[lyric stratus]

That likely the legendary mon

[robust wren]

Barong would be cool as a Pseudo too, to get us out of this 24 year rut of constant Dragon Pseudos we've been in

[velvet forum]

Probably

not

that wouldnt relate to flying or water types

[lyric stratus]

Oh true Groudon was a Ruby, Ho-oh was gold or Reshiram and Zekrom could duplicate

[velvet forum]

I doubt they would do that for the legendary tho considering the trailer alludes to emphasis on water and the sky

with the turbines/clouds and obviously the water

[lyric stratus]

Also what happend with 3rd legends? Zygarde, Necrozma etc?

[velvet forum]

maybe its a secondary legendary tho maybe not the boxart who knows

[lyric stratus]

But it is def too important to be just the starter

[velvet forum]

not really

[robust wren]

Could still be part of a secondary legendary trio/quartet

[velvet forum]

i think thats what pombon most likely will evolve into

[sand onyx]

This would actually work out for my predictions regarding Gecqua becoming an Indonesian Dragon

Obv not the same style, but a lot line up if that's the path they go

[robust wren]

I still don't think we're going to ever get a starter that's Dragon type without going Mega

[sand onyx]

I'm not expecting it to be a dragon whatsoever

I'm presuming a "false dragon" similar to Charizard

Water/Psychic or Water/Poison is by far my prediction for the final evo

Works out for the Indonesian Dragon or just a Komodo Dragon in general

[robust wren]

Psychic and Poison seem to be the 2 popular choices for it

[sand onyx]

My question then, is what would Browt end up being if they follow the folklore/mythology line?

[robust wren]

Garuda?

[sand onyx]

That was my first thought, but I don't know if there is anything else

Basically Hisuian Decidueye 2.0 atp

[robust wren]

Could also be Fenghuang, as despite the Phoenix comparisons it usually sees isn't typically associated with fire

[sand onyx]

I'm hoping to see a Phoenix become the Winds Legendary, albeit Ho-Oh is already there

My ideal Gen 10 Trio is:

Winds = Ahool (Giant Grey Bat in Folklore)
Waves = Nyi Blorong (Sea Serpent)
Lands??? = Warak Ngendhog (Horned Rhino)

[robust wren]

Waves legendary being a merlion could work too. A merlion could also work as part of a secondary legendary group or a Pseudo

[sand onyx]

That would certainly be a really strange but unique path to go

Given there's always a minor legendary group as well, I wonder what that will end up being

As well as the mythicals

Definitely a heavy region for folklore and mythology, so the possibilities are borderline endless

[robust wren]

I really do hope Gamefreak capitalizes on all the folklore really well. Some of my favorite Pokémon are based on mythological creatures of one variety or another. The Yuki-onna Froslass, the Kamaitatchi Weavile, the potential connections between Volcarona and Seraphim...

[velvet forum]

I think gecqua will be a komodo dragon

[sand onyx]

They did pretty well with SV to an extent

The execution? Terrible

The idea? Exactly what we needed

[velvet forum]

They are big in indonesia and we’ve yet to get a water poison starter

it would work out well

[sand onyx]

Yeah, this is my thought process if it follows the native species route

I'd like to see the Folklore route happen, but I feel like the species one will make more sense to execute for non-legendaries

[velvet forum]

Plus the description of gecqua gives it almost like a royalty type of vibe and komodo dragons are called the king of the lizards

[sand onyx]

I could see Water/Psychic still happening, but I feel like it's more probably for it to be Poison

[velvet forum]

its one of the two for sure

i seen another person talk about gliding geckos or something and it being water flying

[sand onyx]

That would counter the potential Fire/Fairy for Pombon too

A perfect dual type triangle again

[velvet forum]

my thought process exactly

[sand onyx]

Albeit, what would Browt be?

[velvet forum]

which leads me to believe browt can only be either grass dark or grass fighting

Which is a duplicate either way

[sand onyx]

Fairy has to be strong against it, but that type has to be strong against Poison too

[robust wren]

I really hope we get to at least see the second stages of the starters this time around, to make a more informed decision as to the direction the starters will go in

[sand onyx]

I have a feeling we'll see the box art legends, then the starter evo lines

[velvet forum]

This actually cant apply to any typings

[sand onyx]

So Poison could possibly be ruled out, if that's the path they wanna follow

[velvet forum]

so either it isnt a perfect type triangle or pombon wont be fore fairy

fire fairy*

[sand onyx]

True

[robust wren]

We're absolutely seeing the boxarts sometime soon. Probably whenever Nintendo decides it's time for another Direct.

[velvet forum]

Definitely not anytime soon

probably in the fall

[sand onyx]

Doesn't that happen within 3 months of Pokemon Direct?

[velvet forum]

the game comes out later next year

[sand onyx]

They usually do one per season

Summer/Spring announced the Switch 2

Fall bumped up Legends Z-A

Winter was just a recap and build up for this year (Air Riders and such)

[velvet forum]

Im thinking either a summer official teaser then a fall trailer or just the fall trailer

[sand onyx]

I think they're gonna slowly bleed and do quite a few trailers

More and more to keep us busy until release

Definitely gonna see the release date within the next 2 directs

[velvet forum]

Im hoping za gets a 2nd dlc while we wait lowkey

[sand onyx]

That or Pokopia might get that ball

Given the immense popularity, I could honestly see both getting something

That would give us 2 DLCs and Pokemon Champions to keep us company until Gen 10

Just please for the love of God release WiWa in the first half of 2027

Send the kids on Summer break with a high note

[jagged cedar]

Knowing Pokémon releases it'll probably be in like November

Iirc most of the other releases have been around that time

[robust wren]

We've all been discussing mythology and animals, but what are some interesting plants that could serve as the Grass types of the region?

[jagged cedar]

I'm hoping tropius gets some kind of buff/regional form

[lime void]

If it gets anything, it should be an evolution so that it can actually have decent stats

[jagged cedar]

Fr

It's such a cool Pokémon but it's wasted with those stats

[sand onyx]

I could see Tropius, Trevenant, and Shiftry getting new forms/evos

Vileplume would be the most likely imo, given the Rafflesia is native to Indonesia

[lime void]

https://giphy.com/gifs/the-office-mrw-d10dMmzqCYqQ0

Also, we don't know if the new region is based on Indonesia yet

[jagged cedar]

It's based on southeast Asia right?

[sand onyx]

It's South East Asia at the minimum

[jagged cedar]

That's what I see most people talking about

[sand onyx]

Indonesia points to be the most prominent, where touches of Malaysia and the Philippines play a part too

Certainly a really nice change compared to the European areas we've been used to as of recent years

[jagged cedar]

7.8/10 too much water

[robust wren]

The lotus apparently grows in some parts of Southeast Asia, so that could make for a fun Grass/Water type, maybe Grass/Psychic or Grass/Fairy if they take it towards the more spiritual side of things

[velvet forum]

10/10 enough water

[jagged cedar]

A lotus grass/water type?

Are we forgetting lotad??

[velvet forum]

Dude WiWa is literally gonna just be a hoenn and alola child

[robust wren]

Lotad is more lily pads in general

[jagged cedar]

Oh my god I'm so stupid I forgot what a lotus was

[velvet forum]

its a flower

[jagged cedar]

I got lotus and lily pad mixed up

Cause lotad sounds like lotus

I need to start thinking before I speak

[lyric stratus]

Y you get so mad

[lime void]

Because Gen 1 already has waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more then enough special treatment

[lyric stratus]

And if it is Indonesia or south east asia Vileplume is completly obvious

[lyric stratus]

To who and why

[jade ocean]

FerroGOAT

[solar crown]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-funny-black-man-gif-3708949419905965398

[cunning sierra]

maybe a Corpse Flower? they're native to The Phillipines and could even be a branching evolution of Gloom

and there could be a Durian Fruit as well

[normal zodiac]

I would like that or a regional variant of gloom

[jade ocean]

Yeah, Ferrothorn

I need Ferrothorn to return so much rn

[cunning sierra]

I was not aware of the inspiration

I was thinking a completely different idea honestly but it seems that it's already been made

[robust wren]

Ferrothorn could be based on a lot of different things tbf. Durian is a popular one to cite, but there are plenty of plant species that have burred seeds

Horse chestnuts are cited as an inspiration for Ferrothorn too, as an example

Most of Ferrothorns names in other languages also point towards it being a nut of some variety

[jade ocean]

Eh, I'm sure there's still those in SEA somewhere

Tbh I just really want Ferrothorn back because it'd help Competitive so much

[jagged cedar]

They need to add a dark type hazard clearing move or something

PLEASE give us a move that can hit gholdengo

[jade ocean]

Simply use Cinderace

[jagged cedar]

I suppose that works too

What ability does cinderace even have?

I've only ever used it with blaze when I played shield

[jade ocean]

Libero is HA

Libero being a Protean clone

[livid bluff]

pombon is my goat

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-pokemon-winds-and-waves-meme-pombon-gif-17558686630251905163

[hazy knot]

So true

[modern ridge]

the only one im not interested in trying out is the parody of decidueye

rowlet*

[verbal plaza]

Windy

[finite totem]

Wavy

[robust wren]

Going back to this Durian idea, did you know that it's often referred to as "the king of fruit?" Cause we already have a Pokémon based off of the Queen of fruit (mangosteen), that being Tsareena. Maybe she'll be getting a spear counterpart?

[sand onyx]

I'd love to see some Alola pokemon get regional variants

Given Alolan forms were the first regionals, seeing Pokemon that originated from Alola finally get a step up (other than Decidueye ofc) would be amazing

I'd place money that we see at least one, as the tropical environment would benefit the idea

[normal zodiac]

Give me a regional variant of kommo-o

[sand onyx]

My PERSONAL idea would be Wishiwashi (Different Sardine) or Araquanid (Dolomedes or Desis Spider) to get variants

[tepid flame]

It'd be really fun if the Durian mon is just Poison-type

[robust wren]

Abilities would be Rough Skin and Stench

[tepid flame]

Knowing modern Pokemon

It's gonna have a sig ability that just combines both of them

Call it "Stink of the King" or smth

[vernal anchor]

Holy shit… I just realised.
Wishiwashi
Wishiwashi
Winds and Waves

This is revolutionary

Victory dance cus idk

I just woke up

[amber monolith]

maybe we’re getting a wishiwashi regional form and evolution

[robust wren]

Can't see Wishiwashi getting an evo when School form already has Boxart legendary BST

[opaque osprey]

WishiWashi getting two regional form
Wishiwishi for wind (Water+flying)
Washiwashi for Waves (Water)

Wishiwishi will be a flying fish type Pokémon while Washiwashi become even more tankier

[forest egret]

Finally, a water type wishiwashi regional

[tame remnant]

Make it steel type, then have the school form just be Metagross, then have base for just be Metagross too.

[amber monolith]

Wishiwashi regional form that doesn’t have Schooling, and instead gets an evolution

[lyric stratus]

What about a convergent Wishiwashi

A small mon that evolves into what Wishiwashi trys to mimic

[jagged cedar]

I think every Pokémon should get schooling in gen 10

[hazy knot]

I agree

[undone sky]

Wiwa

[forest egret]

I do wonder if they're gonna continue these types of Pokémon in this gen

They aren't super popular which makes me wonder if they'll keep it going or not. Personally I hope they do but I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't

[vernal anchor]

No one gonna be calling winds and waves „Pokémon ww“
It’s „Pokémon wiwa“ and that’s canon now

[forest egret]

WiWa is funnier so that's what I'm calling it

[fast beacon]

WiWa gaoted

[grim trench]

Wiwa

[undone sky]

wiwa wooooooooooo

[velvet forum]

pokemon ww

[vast fossil]

You know what would be neat? If the new region was the sevi Islands. We never saw what happened with them once we set up the pc network for them

Would be good timing with the frlg re-release as well

[undone sky]

no.

i do not want the sevii islands.

no more gen 1

[vast fossil]

We've never been back to the sevi islands since gen 3. Which the sevi islands is gen 3 not gen 1

Its an entirely different country

Its more akin to how johto and kanto are connected but still obviously different countries

[forest egret]

The sevii islands are hilariously small

[vast fossil]

I mean in gen 6 it was implied that resort gorgeous become a huge place akin to hotel Richissime. Hell the whole arc was us getting the pc system set up for them

Besides if they can make alola feel big than they can make the sevi islands feel big.

We never saw what changed after that and the characters made a big deal out of the fact that it will change the islands forever

[forest egret]

Alola's islands were just larger established places from the get go. I don't think the Sevii Islands have enough to carry an entire game on their back, and I think having the 10th generation, a milestone, be a rehashed older gen locale wouldn't sit right with most people

If they were to ever do a "sevii islands game" I think that would be more suited to a game in similar vein to say, a legends game

[vast fossil]

I think judging the size of a region based on the 2d games isnt fair to the region

Of course they feel small. They cant do much for an island based region in 2d

Also i think doing a legends game on a region that we never actually truly saw to its fullest potential would be the worst option for it

[forest egret]

I don't think doing anything with the sevii islands would be that compelling lol, but I would much rather the big milestone generation not just be some lame ass revist to a dead locale. I already know it won't, of course. For reasons I can't really get into here of course (nintembo don't kill us pls....)

[robust wren]

Japan has apparently been calling it WW, cause that's also their equivalent of "lol" so it's a fun coincidence

[forest egret]

Oh yeah, the japanese laugh with w's online

El wiwa

[velvet forum]

its ww

[noble ice]

What’s a Pokémon that you guys think needs a new evolution line or gets a regional form that gets a new evolution line?

[grim trench]

https://x.com/DTierTL/status/2031802592167116905/photo/1

D Tier Translator (JP to EN) (@DTierTL)

X · Mar 11, 2026, 6:41 PM

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/i-don't-get-it-dale-gribble-king-of-the-hill-revival-i-don't-understand-king-of-the-hill-gif-4741296097539338399

[grim trench]

I think its meant to be cute

Like subverting expectations around vaccines

[grim trench]

Normally dogs don't like vet appointments

but Pombon is just so derpy

[ornate jacinth]

https://tenor.com/view/doubutsu-sentai-zyuohger-zyuohger-episode2-super-sentai-sentai-gif-22120468

[tepid flame]

Should've been called Wunds and Waves

So we can have WuWa and Pokemon WuWa

[forest egret]

Going to the store to buy Pokemon Wunds

[amber monolith]

what's zyuoh eagle doing here

[subtle tulip]

cool

browt MIGHT be the best gen 10 starter 👀👀👀

[vernal anchor]

Oh we posting Browt memes?

I have a whole folder with funny browt images

[jagged cedar]

Browt = best

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

gecqua>

[forest egret]

Step off bro

[velvet forum]

lizar

[tepid flame]

It's fun to get in the ground floor of Browt memes

I bet this is what it feels like too when Snivy and Rowlet was revealed early on

[jagged cedar]

Browt is such a wonderful creature

[velvet forum]

gecko

[jagged cedar]

Owl

[velvet forum]

browt isnt an owl

[jagged cedar]

Eh it's close enough

[velvet forum]

nah it could never live up to the goat rowlet

[jagged cedar]

We'll see how it measures when the final evolution comes out

[velvet forum]

[jagged cedar]

Rowlet > browt for sure but the evolutions might be able to catch up

[velvet forum]

we’ll see

i think design wise off first glance gecqua has the best design so it might cook the hardest

[lime void]

Can’t we just agree that both Rowlet and Browt are the goat

[velvet forum]

No

limzar

[lime void]

Can’t we just agree that Rowlet, Browt and Gecqua are the goat

[velvet forum]

no

torchic

[jagged cedar]

And mudkip

[velvet forum]

and froakie

[jagged cedar]

We can all agree that most starters are goated

[velvet forum]

Idk about most

[jagged cedar]

I can think of more that are goated than ones that aren't

[velvet forum]

goated implies that its the best

theres only 2 options at most per region that could be goated

[lime void]

They can all be the best

[jagged cedar]

They're all the best at being the specific type of starter in their individual game

Tepig is the best fire starter in black and white

[velvet forum]

Probably bc its the only fire starter in black and white

[jagged cedar]

Exactly

[lime void]

And why would you want another fire starter in black and white

https://tenor.com/view/tepig-gif-24187777

[lyric stratus]

Tepig is great

[jagged cedar]

I have a tepig plushie

Somewhere

[opal gull]

https://www.reddit.com/r/pokememes/comments/1rqykfi/new_gen_10_starter_evolutions_just_leaked/

[opal gull]

not shocking pokemon have high pain tolerance

[grim trench]

Real

[normal zodiac]

I just like that houndoom and Arcanine are scared of needles

[azure gazelle]

wouldn't the cheese melt a bit

[finite totem]

So Garchomp' arms were wings?

[robust wren]

The more these Browt memes get spammed, the more likely I am to pick it as my starter just to release it out of spite

[finite totem]

anyways when we get an italian region with le milieu

Since we got italian mafia in japan and yakuza in france

[jagged cedar]

You'll love browt eventually

[forest egret]

Yeah. He's also always been able to fly, the mega's just always doing it

[robust wren]

The heat death of the universe will happen before that at this rate

[velvet forum]

yes

[fickle birch]

https://tenor.com/view/garchompglide-garchomp-garchompfly-gif-12418432042061794083

[high yacht]

https://tenor.com/view/dratini-cute-dratini-pokemon-dragonair-pokemon-cute-gif-1634580605146939448

[velvet forum]

Garchomp cant fly

it can glide

the mega can fly

[robust wren]

It's always been able to fly. It just couldn't learn the HM.

[normal zodiac]

And that's why golurk is better than garchomp

[forest egret]

It's quite literally all its dex entries talk about, they never stfu about how awesome he is at flying

https://tenor.com/view/garchomp-flies-takes-off-fast-gif-17895177545771630572

So idk why they don't just give him the HM. Maybe the implication is that you can't ride him in the air or smth

As opposed to all the tiny pigeons and sparrows that CAN take you across the country

[robust wren]

The distribution of Fly has always been complete nonsense

[forest egret]

https://tenor.com/view/mods-online-post-garchomp-garchomp-pokemon-gif-26743011

[forest egret]

Dodrio flight

[robust wren]

The giant Meganeura that is explicitly stated to be able to pick up and carry adults in flight? No Fly.
The two headed flightless bird? Guess it uses its heads as propellers os something

Vibrava is stated to have awful flight stamina but is still somehow able to carry people across a country

[forest egret]

Archeops who's whole thing is that he sucks at flying can learn it

https://tenor.com/view/archeops-pokemon-pokeplush-pokemon-plush-plush-gif-6766593941031228586

[robust wren]

Flapple gets fly. If it was in a game where HMs still functioned as normal, you could be flown across a region by a 2 pound wyrm that uses the skin of an apple for flight.

[forest egret]

I wonder if Mega Garchomp can still fly or if he loses out on that

He looks like he can't but then again, normal Garchomp also looks like he shouldn't be able to fly too so who knows

[unborn trellis]

the implication here is obviously that pikipek is actually stronger than garchomp, and garchomp is simply too weak to hold a human and fly

[velvet forum]

Probably considering his arms become scythes

[fickle birch]

Ash used a Garchomp to fly around Alola. 😅

[somber galleon]

Waiting for angry birds creators to sue Nintendo for their one for one character of an angry bird

[finite totem]

The official AB2 account posted a bunch of Browt memes

[somber galleon]

Also named the jet pokemon

[storm bone]

I can’t wait for gen 10 to reveal a mon that is going to be popular for a few months and as soon as it drops it is becoming irrelevant

[somber galleon]

Really?

[finite totem]

Yeah

[somber galleon]

That funny

[storm bone]

Like how lechonk got popular before the release but then it just dipped

[finite totem]

GF probably just didn't want Garchomp to have stronger coverage for bug and grass types

[somber galleon]

I have a shiny one

[storm bone]

Oh cool

[finite totem]

Paldea's 'route 1' was clearly worst

[somber galleon]

Oh yeah I did get lost

[finite totem]

Has only 3 new Pokemon (same as Hoenn and Sinnoh, Less than Kanto-with-a-J)

Does not even have a regional bird.

And largest 'Route' 1 ever by size.

(size as in literal size, by amount of pokemon Alola and Galar had more)

[lyric stratus]

Tbf its open world so you can always catch the regional bird

[finite totem]

Entire point of regional birds are that they are early

Like there a reason why Kanto's bird isn't doduo

[lyric stratus]

But there are other requirements that fit
And I see why they decided to put in that late in open world

[velvet forum]

wtf

i never knew this???

i thought it was like

a land shark

ur telling me garchomp can actually fly

[normal zodiac]

And then there's alolas route 3

[jagged cedar]

It's Pokédex entry from diamond says
"When it folds up its body and extends its wings, it looks like a jet plane. It flies at sonic speed."

So it's always been able to fly, its just not brought up very often

[forest egret]

It's bought up a lot actually

Nearly every dex mentions it, he flies all the time in the anime, including during the Oak segment, and he even hovers around in the 3D games

[indigo mango]

its litterly a jet

it has been able to fly since it was introduced

[normal zodiac]

Now I'm questioning who flies faster golurk or garchomp

[indigo mango]

pretty sure garchomp

again its a jet

[normal zodiac]

And I'm not using their stats for that

[normal zodiac]

And golurk can be a rocket

[indigo mango]

thats more its design, i dunno if its implied he can reach that speed

[normal zodiac]

I'm gonna say garchomp is faster but not by much and call it good

[indigo mango]

..also i mean i might be wrong but i think a jets still faster

[normal zodiac]

Now if one slams into you at top speed regardless you're dead but with golurk I don't think there would even be a body

[indigo mango]

accodring to the game Garchomp reaches a speed of 1,236 km/h

[normal zodiac]

Ok so they are in the same ballpark in regards to speed

[indigo mango]

interesting

tbf i was aware its a rocket and can fly fast but i did not expect its first ever entry to talk about it

seemed more like an extra detail then a main one

[normal zodiac]

I mean yeah it's one of if not the only non flying/dragon/levitating pokemon that can learn fly

Yes I count flying in their in battle animations too

[robust wren]

How low of a benchmark is mach speed in the Pokémon world if stuff with the speed stats of Golurk and Pidgey can cross that threshold?

[normal zodiac]

Pidgey can fly at mach speeds?

[normal zodiac]

Golurk kinda makes sense because it's rarely in the rocket mode but Pidgey

[robust wren]

Just double checked and that's Pidgeot
Still ridiculous to fly at Mach 2 when its original Speed was 91

[normal zodiac]

I mean golurks is 55 but that's probably for game balance

Kinda like how regigigas is bad in every game it's in in normal battles

[fading briar]

We are ALL picking browt

[normal zodiac]

I'm picking pombon for my first playthrough but for any following ones yeah

[jade ocean]

Which still makes no sense to me

Would it really be that hard to just make it on par with the box art legendaries?

Given the fucking ordeal you go through to get it

[normal zodiac]

My unofficial title for it is the god of strength

Because going off of manga scaling it's stronger than dialga and palkia

[jade ocean]

Not even the only Gen 4 Pokemon that you go through an ordeal to get that ends up being dogshit btw

• No weaknesses
• No stats

[normal zodiac]

Tbf I think spititombs stats being ass is to counter its zero weakness at the time

[jade ocean]

That's a testament as to how bad Gamefreak is at balancing I suppose

Because Spiritomb is ASS

[normal zodiac]

Honestly I've had an idea on how to fix regigigas's ability for a while now

[jade ocean]

I'm not much of a powerscaler since I only really play the games

And the games have like

Barely any material to go off

[normal zodiac]

Tbf the manga is wild

[jade ocean]

Sure, there's the Pokedex, but the Pokedex claims Lanturn wields universe destroying powers

So it isn't the most reliable thing to go off

[normal zodiac]

For example uh the crucification of the unova gym leaders

No I'm not joking that actually happened in the manga

[jade ocean]

It's notable that the Anime, Games and Manga are very seperate when it comes to powerscaling

[normal zodiac]

True but i feel like legendaries should be on about the average of all 3 iterations

[jade ocean]

Idk Arceus is just God in the games and a whiny bitch in the anime who needs its plates

[normal zodiac]

Which would make regigigas ridiculously strong but eh theve been ass for long enough let them go ape shit

Hell my proposal for an updated version of regigigas's ability is to make the changes neutral after 3 turns and inverted after 5

[jade ocean]

Also, Hoopa being implied to be able to 1v3 Palkia, Dialga and Giratina is wack

And at the very least it can 1v1 them

[normal zodiac]

Imma be real I was mainly watching that movie to see regigigas as and hoping they acknowledge their manga strength because they deserved their own movie

[jade ocean]

Space, Time and Satan < evil genie apparently

[normal zodiac]

I feel like giratina is more of antimatter and gravity but I understand where you're coming from

[indigo mango]

Hoopa is still based on a God

[normal zodiac]

I mean yeah but I feel like they did a bit too much

[robust wren]

Hoopa is all about traveling through wormholes and messing with hyperspace, so I can understand it being able to keep up with them to a certain extent. Not to 1v3 clutch levels tho

[normal zodiac]

I feel like manga regigigas and unbound hoopa would be a very interesting fight

Would it go down the same as the movie probably but I think it would be a significantly closer fight

[indigo mango]

tbf tho none of the trio are in peak condition

Giratina got split and the other 2 lost most their power

Hoopa once Unbound is lorewise at his peak he always was at

[forest egret]

It's been a long ass time since I've seen that movie, but does Hoopa actually fight and defeat those pokemon

I thought he just brings them in and they start beating the shit out of each other

[indigo mango]

dont recall but i could see a scene where it gets Unbound and aggresive and they then fight it to try and calm it

[fading briar]

High key I don't understand how people think Light and Fairy type could be the same

Totally different things

I don't think Grass feeds off fairies

[indigo mango]

https://klipy.com/gifs/breaking-bad-funny-2

[robust wren]

Light would probably be a subtype like Sound or Slicing if it was implemented

[fading briar]

I wish they tried for Light type in gen 7

Dark type still needs the nerf idc!

[indigo mango]

dark type also doesnt exist

[fading briar]

They could make Dark and Light super effective against each other

[indigo mango]

so light would be weird

[robust wren]

Dark isn't actually a darkness type. It's about dirty fighting more than manipulating darkness

[indigo mango]

Fighting is already the opposite to dark

sicne its Just vs Evil

[robust wren]

Sucker Punch, Feint Attack, False Surrender, Throat Chop, Power Trip... Definitely more of a fighting dirty type than actual darkness

[fading briar]

Dark pulse

[indigo mango]

well its the evil type lul

[fading briar]

NIGHT slash

[indigo mango]

dark is just the english translation

[robust wren]

"The user releases a horrible aura imbued with dark thoughts."

[fading briar]

I mean, we can't honestly about types making sense when ground and rock exist

[indigo mango]

[fading briar]

Broken pieces of ground or The ground

[robust wren]

In Japan, this move is called "crossroad killing," and is associated with a practice some samurai would do where they murdered a random person with a new sword to test its sharpness

[fading briar]

Oh well

That makes sense

I wonder what new type could even be introduced, I wouldn't mind 1 or 2 the type system could use a shake up especially competitive

[indigo mango]

i cant see any

[robust wren]

Crossroad killing might just be one of the most fucked up things Pokémon has ever taken any inspiration from

[indigo mango]

they would either need to create enough mons for that type to work or redo old mons again

[fading briar]

Sound kind of makes the most sense but at the same time like

It seems pointless

[indigo mango]

at most we get gimmik typings specially for battle like stella or they make a legendary Mon with a new type that only it gets

[fading briar]

I don't think they can make a new type now that would have to retcon 30 years worth of pokemon lore

[robust wren]

I had a concept for a Plastic type and even thought of some matchups for it, but I can't think of many moves and it would probably not be a popular concept

[fading briar]

But fairy type didn't stop that

If they ever take Greek inspiration maybe some kind of Aether type?

Aether is considered the 5th element in Greek texts

[indigo mango]

sound moves are normal

[fading briar]

But what could even be done with that

[robust wren]

Rotom Stereo being confirmed for being a Normal type kinda shot the Sound type concept dead if you ask me

[indigo mango]

so like for a sun and moon sequel?

[indigo mango]

was gonna mention that too

[fading briar]

Aether seems too complex for pokemon

[indigo mango]

its the only mon in pokopia to get a new typing

[indigo mango]

?

[robust wren]

I like my Plastic type concept cause it would tie into the environmentalist angle a lot of Pokémon take these days but I accept that I'm a weirdo and would probably be the only person who would like it

[fading briar]

Oh yeah

Cosmic/Space type would be cool

[fading briar]

Plastic hmmm

[robust wren]

It would serve as a nerf to Water and Fairy types and a buff to Bug if that sells the concept more

[fading briar]

Another thing fire is super effective against

[robust wren]

Defensively, it would resist Grass, Water, Electric, Ground, Fighting, and Fairy while being weak to Fire, Bug, and Psychic
Offensively, it would be strong against Water, Electric, and Fairy, while being resisted by Fire, Ground, Psychic, Rock, and Steel

[fading briar]

This is a dumb idea, but Magic

Maybe fairy and psychic already cover it

But I mean Arcane type

Type could be focused heavily on Status effect inducement moves and Stat changes, being Low-Mid power with special atk focused moves

Finding it's strength and weaknesses though hmm

[solar oriole]

Yes, largely intellectualized magic (tricks / psionics) are the realm of psychic types (as well as generalized magic of many legendaries, delphox, hatterene, and rabsca). While nature magic is within the realm of the fairies and grass types. Ghost type also comes in with their almost strictly supernatural nature, like Mismagius. They have curses, chants, and rituals like Perish Song.

And of course, that's not to forget that all pokemon are effectively magical, with even physical mons being supernaturally physical. But that's a bit off topic.

[forest egret]

I'm not a new-type truther myself

People always point to Sound type but I think it's kind of lame to make into a type. I like that moves have subclasses and I wish that was expanded upon, rather than adding new typings

[desert current]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceedghSTHIA
fr... Moxie Boosted made a whole video listing all the reasons why lol

[finite totem]

Fairy types were mostly a normal type once

But if we were to get a sonic type we would get a optic type as well and that basically is fairy

[desert current]

Yeah... But Fairy never had a sub-category centered around it. 😅

Sound moves are a whole thing already.

[forest egret]

They should make Ball type

There's a lot of ball moves and ball pokemon so there should be a ball type for them

[finite totem]

Bomb type*

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-infinite-fusion-pokemon-electrode-explode-kaboom-gif-13124258821276956740

Why this gif has #fusion-bot shout out 😭

[forest egret]

There is someone in this server who made a bunch of IF-server related tenor gifs that you can find but I forget who it is

[robust wren]

If Sound was ever made its own type, there would need to be a lot of explanation for moves like Overdrive, Psychic Noise, Alluring Voice, Sparkling Aria, etc.

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/bellsprout-dance-happy-silly-pokemon-gif-16072088607669131845

[robust wren]

The sheer number of sound based moves that are of a variety of types is evidence to me that Gamefreak has already made its decision in regards to the possibility of a Sound type

As an additional point, Normal types are already kinda in the trenches right now with only a handful of good reps. Getting rid of the Normal Special attackers' most reliable option in Hyper Voice and most powerful option in Boomburst would be horrible for them

What would Normal type even be able to thematically have as Special moves without STAB on shouting at things? All that would be left is Tri Attack and I'm at a loss at what else could work for that purpose

[velvet forum]

you could argue for like a cosmic type or something

the amount of space like moves and pokemon

[robust wren]

Why would they make it Normal type with Gen 10 on the horizon if they wanted to introduce the Sound type in it? If they wanted it to be a new type, it would have probably been kept a mystery like Sylveon's type was

[velvet forum]

its already confirmed to be normal type

[robust wren]

Exactly

[half knoll]

Love the lil dog :D

[finite totem]

Anyways do any of you expect any new forms from pokopia in ww

Or same bin with other recolours forms from colleseum and explorers

[forest egret]

I imagine they're going to stay in Pokeopia

The only one I can see becoming a thing outside of that game is the Rotom

[lyric stratus]

Pokopia talked about a yellow Shalleos

so yeah

also isnt it WiWa

[finite totem]

Idk

[lyric stratus]

Since WW is kinda related to something in the early 1900s

[finite totem]

That would be ww + i (or double ii)

[amber monolith]

if it's SwSh, then it's probably WiWa

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[grim trench]

https://x.com/YRZ_oou/status/2032748576699461701

萬(よろず) (@YRZ_oou)

抱っこ待ちのポムケン

X · Mar 14, 2026, 9:20 AM

[opal gull]

wawa

[fresh radish]

https://tenor.com/view/garythesnail-garyandgirlfriend-spongebob-gif-3748071103253175410

[grim trench]

https://x.com/meruru_gu/status/2032652948380037386

めるるぐ (@meruru_gu)

3 dogs... ?

X · Mar 14, 2026, 3:00 AM

[mystic fern]

Ima be so real if they made useless moves better or more interesting then I'd be happy

Hyper beam being special double edge, for example

[opal gull]

think they want to keep some distinguishing fators between the styles of phys and special moves not just add recoil to special moves

[mystic fern]

I'd rather they add distinguishing styles between types

A lot of moves feel like the same thing but better/worse type most of the time

[jade ocean]

They should readd in Gen 1 glitch for all recharging moves

Where landing a KO with them cancels the recharge (though tbf at the time this was only Hyper Beam)

It'd be so cool

[mystic fern]

Nah

We don't need more instawin snowballing after set up

[lime void]

Hyper beam makes you recharge after 1 turn and double edge does recoil damage

[mystic fern]

Yes I know

Read the message about that

[opal gull]

quality reading comprehension

[quiet finch]

Give me a Sea Snake

[fading briar]

Mega Absol Z is gonna be such a problem in Champions

Immune to prankster and fake out, 151 speed so it outspeeds pretty much the whole format 154 atk, Shadow sneak, Knock off, close combat, swords dance, protect, 3 immunities and only 1 weakness

But nothing now is gonna outspeed it, faster than dragapult by 10

All gonna depend on its ability but even if it doesn't get something that crazy I think Absol Z is gonna be a huge problem

[finite totem]

Isnt fake out dark type?

[fading briar]

No

Though I'm surprised it isn't because it would seem like a dark type move

[bitter adder]

guys gallade x lucario is firwe

one of the best fusions

ever

[livid bobcat]

Yall think pokemon winds & waves went 3/3 with starters? (I think they went 2/3)

[robust wren]

I'll withhold my judgment on them until I see at least the 2nd stage to see what direction they'll be taken

[livid bobcat]

Well i mean js the 1st stages for now

[wooden lion]

Honestly I like all 3 starters, in my opinion it’s the hardest 3 to pick from since the Hoenn trio, however I do think Browt is my least favorite and Gecqua is my favorite currently, but I’m still holding out for the final evo designs to decide

[livid bobcat]

Oh…

Alr

At least Pombon not getting no hate thankfully

[wooden lion]

Pombon might get hate if the final form stands up

[livid bobcat]

I don’t see what the problem is… incinearoar, meowscarada, blaziken, infernape, and the rest of them are all good starters…

[wooden lion]

Thing is with Blaziken & Infernape is they start bipedal and stay bipedal

Since Fennekin, most four legged starters start as quadrupeds, but then become bipedal (Examples are Fennekin, Litten, Sobble and Sprigatito)

Ppl are just tired of seeing it

[livid bobcat]

Yeah but they never have been bad starters have they?

[livid bobcat]

Makes sense

[wooden lion]

Never said they were bad but people just want more animalistic pokemon

Or at least starters who start on all 4’s to remain on all 4’s

[livid bobcat]

Well judging from goatedirge, I think It’ll stay on four legs

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-bird-crocodile-fuecoco-fire-starter-gif-12812610284360724984

[wooden lion]

Eh Fuecoco started on two legs then went to 4

Ppl were hoping Sprigatito stayed on all 4’s and it didn’t

Browt & Gecqua are probably going to be bipedal or in the case of Gecqua, it’ll be like Swampert where it uses its arms as legs

[indigo mango]

weird thing to say considering it was never on 4 legs till the very end

[livid bobcat]

I’m talking about final evolutions tho

“Judging from skeledirge”

[indigo mango]

you also said stay on four legs, it never stayed on 4 legs, it got 2 more

so you cant use skeledirge to judge

im guessing Browt will be 100% 2 legs, 60% humanoid. Gauqua will be 80% 2 legs and if so 100% humanoid and Pombon will be 30% 2 legs but if so also 100% humanoid

[livid bobcat]

Hopefully gecaqua doesn’t end out like the past water types

[lime void]

I just don’t want a repeat of Sobble. The little dude deserved so much better

[normal zodiac]

I liked skeledirge but pop off

[livid bobcat]

Same I have him as my sv starter

[robust wren]

Skeledirge is one of the best starters we've had in a long while

[lyric stratus]

Inteleon is atleast sometimes cool
Not like Donalds sassy cousin

[mental patio]

Shiny concepts 🙂

[robust wren]

I like Quaquaval's flamboyant coloring and it has really fun animations

Its idle animation being a dance that syncs up to a good amount of the battle themes (especially the Treasures of Ruin) was genius and I can't hate a Pokémon that does something like that

Moxie and Aqua Step making it a potential runaway sweeper is also fun. Not as competitively powerful as it seems on the surface, but still fun

[jade ocean]

Saw someone joke about Pombon evolving to have 0 legs

And now I'm imagining a biblically accurate dog seraphim

[unborn cave]

that would b peak

like a floating ball of fluff

[tepid flame]

Arceus but doggo(ne)

[forest egret]

What is dog spelt backwards......

gulps

[hazy knot]

Ogd

[forest egret]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-chattering-teeth-hatsandcats-gif-22848421

[finite totem]

Anyways what do y'all think for mega evolution in WiWa

1. Part of Main Game
2. Part of Post Game
3. Locked to Transfer
4. Not in game at all

[forest egret]

I'm thinking either 2 or 3

[velvet forum]

Definitely wont happen