pokemon-winds-waves

[tepid flame]

In the sense that it's just a reputationally bad mon

I maintain that Bibarel is GOATed but yknow

Everyone either cared too much about Bidoof or they just hate Bidoof too much to care

[velvet forum]

give us a mexico region and have some sort of aztec legendaries

[tepid flame]

It's the Raichu of normal early game mons

[velvet forum]

not everything needs to be dual typed

[modest cave]

Also

[velvet forum]

Id like for another american region whether thats north central or south

[modest cave]

If we did get a China region

[forest egret]

They don't all HAVE to be dual typed, but why do you just want the same thing again? It just feels contrarian at this point

[modest cave]

Cramped city based on the (now-demolished) Kowloon Walled City in Hong Kong maybe

[velvet forum]

We already have the same thing again all the time

[forest egret]

Two wrongs don't make a right

[finite totem]

yeah like why I cant use a spell to trap pokemon in spoons and forks like old times

[velvet forum]

Legends alola or legends unova when

[finite totem]

hopefully nowhere soon

[velvet forum]

Legends unova could be cool cuz they could explore the original dragon

[forest egret]

Legends Hisui where we go a few years foward in time would be pretty sick

[velvet forum]

Nah

hisui dosent exist in the futute

thats just sinnoh

[forest egret]

Nothing gets past you

[velvet forum]

i am kratos after all

[lyric stratus]

Maybe a extinct bird cuz all grass starters fit that to a extent

[forest egret]

I never much bought into that

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/bidoof-pokemon-normal-type-4th-generation-run-gif-17125534

[forest egret]

It feels like you can point at most animals on our planet, find an extinct version of said animal, and then just say it's that

[fickle birch]

Kratos? I thought you were Lance.

[forest egret]

"No Torterra isn't a tortoise he's the Tortoisosaurus which existed 5 million years ago"

[lyric stratus]

Yes and no

[lyric stratus]

I understand that thought but quiet some designe elements point away from tortoises and towards ankylosaurs (its still a tortoise tho)

[modest cave]

I'm also Lance

[forest egret]

They will make Browt evolve into the Birdosaurus Rex

[modest cave]

Make Browt evolve into a cube

[fickle birch]

Yeah I also thought Torterra was part ankylosaur, but that might just be because I love ankylosaurs and want good representation (which Torterra is because it's so cool). 😄

[severe pier]

Browt is most likely based off of a chicken and kakapo

if i remember my history correcty indonesia is where chickens are orginally from

[visual fable]

that region yeah

I hope it is a chicken too

[severe pier]

Pombon is most definitely based off of a Pomeranian and I suspect it will evolve into a local/bali dog which are usually gaurd dogs iirc. Correction theyre used as watch dogs.

[daring finch]

water lizard

browt looks like he hates green pigs

[severe pier]

Easy transition, gets bigger and stays just as fluffy

[finite totem]

actually are starters mono at first stage?

[daring finch]

usually yeah

except bulbasaur and rowlet for some reason

[modest cave]

The only ones that aren't are Bulbasaur and Rowlet

[forest egret]

It's usually done that way so that the first fight isn't muddled up with other typings

[fickle birch]

That's just a slightly bigger Rockruff. 😂

[lyric stratus]

Nah it is partly a ankylosaurid

[forest egret]

It's a turtlesaurus

Which existed 40 million years ago

[lyric stratus]

Would fit while yeah Dogs are haram for Muslims which most indonesian are there is one dog thats seen as good and it is said to be the best guard dog iirc

[lyric stratus]

Funny enough Meiolania platyceps kinda fits

[forest egret]

Boswer

[lyric stratus]

Man a cool Meiolania poke would be sick

I hope we get fossil mons

[forest egret]

I hope so too. It's been a little while

I guess it makes sense that SV didn't have them since they were already doing the paradox thing, but eh, they could've still fit them in there somewhere

[jade ocean]

I mean

Gen 8

[forest egret]

What about gen 8

[jade ocean]

It has fossils

So it's only been 1 game

[forest egret]

I didn't say the contrary

[jade ocean]

Or 1 gen I should say

But yeah I don't think we've gone for more than 1 gen without new fossils

So there probably will be some

And maybe they won't be hot garbage like a majority of them

Like uhh

Aerodactyl's decent for competitive (and Mega Aero is good)

But you usually get it way too late

Uhh

Omastar probably suffices for playthroughs

Archeops is like great for playthroughs unironically

[forest egret]

They're all fine for playthroughs

[jade ocean]

And like a top 5 fossil competitively

[forest egret]

I've ran many playthroughs with a Kabutops and he's ass. It's almost like these games are for children or something

[jade ocean]

I mean I can't say I've heard any praise for either Rampardos or Bastiodon ever even for playthroughs but you could probably make them work

Back to listing fossils that aren't wack

Uhh

Tyrantrum's solid I suppose

And then there's 3 of the 4 Galar fossils

(Arctovish is a fraud L bozo)

And then everything else is either mid as hell or bad

So uhh Gamefreak pls give good fossils thx

[forest egret]

Spinosaurus fossil could be cool

It's kind of an obvious dinosaur to make a pokemon out of, and yet we don't really have one. Unless idk, you count Arctibax? To me he's more like a Concavenator though

And even if he was one it's not like it lasts

[jade ocean]

I mean tbf there's a few of those

Y'know I just realised Bastiodon is meant to be a ceratopsian

I kinda just saw it as an indescript mf with a fucking wall on its face

I mean usually when someone imagines a ceratopsian they think of the triceratops which does more than sit around like a bum and do nothing to ward attackers off

[forest egret]

There are ceratopsians with square heads

[jade ocean]

I don't think we have ankylosaurids or stegosaurids though

[forest egret]

Well as much as I joke earlier, I agree that Torterra kinda is an Ankylosaur

Stegosaur could be fun. I drew a stegosaurus fakemon a few months ago

[jade ocean]

I can kinda see it but it's like 12% ankylosaur and 88% turtle with a tree on it

[forest egret]

I'd like to see a Carnotaurus pokemon, my favourite Dinosaur

[velvet forum]

gecqua gang

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[forest egret]

Lizar

[velvet forum]

limzar

[jade ocean]

I remember analysing what the individual Galar fossils are based off with friends

I mean vish is obviously a Dunkleosteus

And zolt is obviously some kind of dromaeosaur

We ended up tracing Arcto to a Pliosaur and Draco to an ankylosaur

But Draco is like

Really, really vague

Tbh so is Arcto

Most of the guesses were based on the Crystal Palace Dinosaurs iirc

But seriously they took like, the least memorable part of the pliosaur

You could probably mistake it for a mosasaur or a plesiosaur

[velvet forum]

i just realizedwe didnt get fossils in paldea

[forest egret]

It's funny to think about and very obviously not something thought about by Gamefreak, but I do wonder if the original pokemon for each were good standalone designs or not

[velvet forum]

did alola have fossils?

[forest egret]

It didn't

[jade ocean]

I think they probably could've been based on what we got

Gens 2, 7 and 9 do not have new fossils

Every other generation does

Then again who the FUCK is using Bastiodon or Rampardos?

[forest egret]

I will admit, 7 missing fossils, then 8 having weird ones, then 9 missing them again, it does make the gap feel large

[jade ocean]

Tbh Archeops gets too much hate for its ability

At the end of the day it's probably the best fossil for a playthrough

And like a top 5 fossil competitively

[forest egret]

High bar

[jade ocean]

Yeah tbf it's more of a roast to the fossils than anything else

But like

Some people really think Archeops is a weak fossil

It just isn't

[lyric stratus]

Draco kinda reminds me of Kentrosaurus

[lyric stratus]

I like rampa...

Something Something fossil mons
Something fangame me and others work on
Something credit to @meager lynx and @tawny prism

[robust wren]

To be fair Alola not having fossils makes sense. Hawaii is really young, geologically speaking

[velvet forum]

Paldea not having any makes zero sense

considering its literally like a time anomaly

[robust wren]

Guess they figured the past Paradoxes were sufficient?

[velvet forum]

i mean

i guess the past paradox mons are living fossils

[robust wren]

I would love to see more Cambrian species represented in fossil mons. Imagine the crazy designs that could be made out of these guys

[velvet forum]

pyukumuku is technically that last one

[robust wren]

That's Wiwaxia. Pyukumuku is a sea cucumber. Wiwaxia is speculated to be a mollusk, so it would be closer to Shellder than Pyuk

[lyric stratus]

We likely would have gotten Marine reptiles if they decided to have fossils

[cunning sierra]

🎵It's the Cambrian Explosion🎵

(Bill Wurtz to those who don't get it)

[faint canyon]

Hi

[opal gull]

even builds on the brow

[vernal anchor]

Oh god. I can see it

[finite totem]

I want it to just be a big bird

Espartha but grass

[little nacelle]

plot twist

browt becomes flying

[daring finch]

Idc about anything but my pokemon being able to surf

I want to ACTUALLY surf on my fucking chansey

[velvet forum]

dont ever

diss my goat like that

[opal gull]

didnt even mention gogoat

[velvet forum]

you mentioned THEgoat

[high spoke]

Found out wailord in this game I’m seated

Bit underwhelmed by the starters in some regards tho. Like the are fine but their coloring seems so basic :/ maybe it’s just cause of the graphics in the game tho I might have liked them better in gen 4 or gen 5 style

Still definitely eager to learn more about the game

[velvet forum]

im excited to see if gecqua goes down the komodo dragon path

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[wispy path]

water poison ^

[velvet forum]

i pray

it is

[wispy path]

i pray the fire starter is like proper and not another fighting

[velvet forum]

I think its stupid looking

it will probably be our first fire fairy and be bipedal

which im not excited for

[wispy path]

lol not wrong

[amber monolith]

speaking of which, i saw a video of the three starters all getting bipedal evolutions, in the sense that's what the person drew, not in the sense that it's confirmed that they're all bipedal in the game why am i even explaining?

and the grass starter bipedal evolution was pretty cool

[vernal anchor]

Birb

[velvet forum]

No

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[wispy star]

but what if, dog

https://tenor.com/view/pombon-pokemon-winds-waves-cute-gif-17872277492748694841

[lyric stratus]

What if all 3 and your trade with a friend on day one

[lime void]

What if I don’t want to pay a subscription fee for online functionality that should be free

[lyric stratus]

Who talked about online

Also can you guys stop being so damn negative all the time
Its the worst with the pkmn community

[lime void]

Well what if I don’t have any IRL friends that play Pokémon

[lyric stratus]

Meet with a friend of yours
Damn touch grass and I dont mean the type

[amber monolith]

you can just buy three different games and trade with yourself, smh

which is easier than having friends trade with you

[unique karma]

https://tenor.com/view/browt-pokémon-winds-and-waves-pokémon-day-angry-bird-gif-14660576355177336106

[tranquil ginkgo]

I like the trailer

[normal zodiac]

But what if Toby Fox

[wispy star]

yes yes yes

[cunning sierra]

Made this yesterday. You've got the bird, the dog, and a reptile (I couldn't find a good gecko VTuber ok) lol

[wispy star]

i forgot her name but i used to watch her ! (the vtuber you chose for gecqua)

[cunning sierra]

Kairyu Crocodile (fka Jaiden Animations)

[indigo mango]

used to watch her? shes like a month old or something

[tepid flame]

I think they meant her as Jaiden Animations herself

[royal dagger]

Nah, everyone knows its Jschlatt

Also I cant wait for more official news

[muted aurora]

Birb is goat

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/browt-pokémon-winds-and-waves-pokémon-day-angry-bird-gif-14660576355177336106

[lyric stratus]

No gogoat is goat

[muted aurora]

And im a fish >:)

[lyric stratus]

Yooooo

[muted aurora]

Nah kidding im a cat trust

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/fish-spin-sha-gif-15625975929373029988

Wait

https://tenor.com/view/fish-cat-tank-lots-group-gif-17631686898485614619

This you?

You Catfish?

[muted aurora]

Remove the fish

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/catfish-fishing-walking-gold-cat-gold-fish-gif-17141550

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-pufferfish-pufferfish-cat-fish-catfish-gif-9997139051265883971

Is it cat enough

[muted aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/meowscarada-pokémon-pokemon-phone-reaction-meme-gif-397633267914004947

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/sprigatito-floragato-pokemon-scarlet-and-violet-gif-10838388437526335603

[muted aurora]

Its 2 am

:)

[lyric stratus]

Nah its 9.23am

[muted aurora]

You live across the world then

[lyric stratus]

Maybe

[muted aurora]

Nah but you live far

[lyric stratus]

Maybe your clock is wrong

[muted aurora]

No its right

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/knuckles-gif-26722749

[muted aurora]

Oh dang you live in korea japan or Indonesia my wife lives in japan
-# not my actual wife wish she was tho

[lyric stratus]

Im european

[muted aurora]

Hmm

Google is stupid then

:|

[muted aurora]

U like Sonic also

:0

Also Google said its 8 am for you are you sure your clocks not wrong

[lyric stratus]

Kinda not active but its fun to see

[lyric stratus]

Try areas like germany, Austria and Italy

[muted aurora]

Wanna see a funny fusion i found

[muted aurora]

Also cool

[muted aurora]

Okay

Your chill i like you wanna be friends

:)

[lyric stratus]

Yes

[lyric stratus]

Sure ig

[muted aurora]

My bad was watching YouTube

[lyric stratus]

Lol

[mystic fern]

Impossible..!

That'd be a good decision

[forest egret]

Lizar supremacy

That is interesting that gecqua seems to win most of the polls in this channel. Smaller sample size obviously, compared to the rest of the fanbase - but it seems overall the dog is the most popular everywhere else

[modest cave]

I like lizar

[jade ocean]

Funniest thing is, in all 3 servers I held polls in, Pombon was never 1st

I believe 2 servers (including this one) had Gecqua rated the highest and the other had Browt

[forest egret]

Lizar supremacy

Please don't evolve into something shitty looking

[finite totem]

It asks to look shitty

Like sorry it is going to be either humanoid or skeledirge

[forest egret]

I don't care if it's humanoid, that's not inherently bad

[velvet forum]

Lizar

on top

[maiden ocean]

agreed. there are shades of humanoid. Electivire is humanoid but still reads as a monster, while Cinderace (and others like it) just come off as people walking around in their fur-suits.

I just pray that, if the starters do go humanoid, they go more monstrous than the furrybait we have been getting recently. Note: I have no issues with Furries... you guys do you and more power to you... just stating my opinion

[fickle birch]

I've been seeing Browt gain a lot of traction due to the memes, ironically similar to Rowlet itself. 😂

[finite totem]

Football pokemon and angry bird pokemon

[muted aurora]

Browt is still better

[daring finch]

I heard lizard might become fortune teller

[finite totem]

Hello guys it's me John pokemon and I heard that lizard is gonna be recoloured salazzle

(would John pokemon be Red or Ash who is technically a counterpart of Red but also every main character that came after red minus ones that appeared and sv one)

[somber pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/pombon-pokemon-gif-14293756147377883805

[muted aurora]

Bleh dog i like cats better

https://tenor.com/view/sprigatito-pokemon-horizons-gif-6832100508081509041

[somber pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/fuecoco-pokemon-pokemon-day-fuecoco-pokemon-pokemon-fuecoco-gif-16752525841281364355

[robust wren]

Kinda fun how Winds and Waves are the first Pokémon games that don't have the usual red vs blue contrast of pretty much every other game pair

Black and White, despite their names, are still examples of red vs blue contrast with how Reshiram and Zekrom light up

[plain valley]

Just wait until legend reveal

[grim trench]

https://tenor.com/o2mOEV0MLk.gif

https://x.com/Sugahri/status/2027408675988525356

Sugar🍓 (@Sugahri)

Choose your Pombon wisely #PokemonWindsWaves

X · Feb 27, 2026, 3:41 PM

[normal zodiac]

Peak

[lyric stratus]

I really want flying type pokes that cant essentially fly or are flying creatures

[last parrot]

looks at doduo

[lyric stratus]

Like this Fire/Flying type Carnotaurus who can control his smoke and stuff

[last parrot]

i refuse to believe it can fly

[lime void]

So you don’t want a flying type

[lyric stratus]

eh still a bird
I can also see its wings just being hidden ostritch and emu style

[robust wren]

Flying being renamed to Wind and treated accordingly would be great

[lyric stratus]

I want a flying type thats about the air controll part of the type

[lyric stratus]

Imo we dont even need to rename it

[last parrot]

arceus flying plate

[lyric stratus]

Can Mantine officially fly?

[last parrot]

lemme check

[lyric stratus]

Like not the move

but some mons can fly and not learn the move

[lime void]

I’m pretty sure it glides rather then flys

[last parrot]

Silver Swimming freely in open seas, it may fly out of the water and over the waves if it builds up enough speed.

[lyric stratus]

Yeah it prob can glide a lil

[last parrot]

Black 2
White 2 If it builds up enough speed swimming, it can fly over 300 feet out of the water from the surface of the ocean.
X If it builds up enough speed swimming, it can fly over 300 feet out of the water from the surface of the ocean.

im guessing fly here is just being used a synonym for glide or launch

[lyric stratus]

sounds like gliding but I let that count for my cause

[last parrot]

delibird has no dex entries saying anything about flight

but it probably does

[lyric stratus]

Games have shown it flying

[last parrot]

does levitation count

[robust wren]

Considering Levitate, probably not

[last parrot]

flying type that is purely air control

also vullaby can't fly

[lyric stratus]

Vullaby is a bird that learns flying when adult

[lyric stratus]

I think rotom counts yeah
Even tho it levitates

[last parrot]

alright well that's 3 that i can think of and all 3 are forms

arceus,silvally,rotom

but no actual base mon

the closest we have is

Tornadus

[lyric stratus]

Tornadus flys tho

[last parrot]

that's why i said closest

[lyric stratus]

yeah

I think closest mon to what I want is Mantine

[last parrot]

i mean if the therian forces of nature didn't exist you could argue they fly via their weather control

but therian Tornadus is a bird

[robust wren]

Enamorus is a turtle and Landorus is a big cat, so I would say it's still valid

Thundrus doesn't seem to use its arms to fly either. They seem to be used more as claws IIRC

[last parrot]

all of them could count except tornadus tho

and he's the pure flying one

[lyric stratus]

Idk as I said I would like flying types not flying
They prob fly with theyr clouds or so idk

[last parrot]

but that's the thing they could be conjuring the clouds with control over the weather

any creature which controls wind itself can fly as it can force correct drag and drafts

but tornadus doesn't count as he's a birs

bird*

[robust wren]

Do you think Drifloon and Drifblim control wind to fly around, or are the souls they've kidnapped like Helium

[last parrot]

helium souls

||in pokopia drifloon says humans grant it energy|| sooooo

[rustic rapids]

honestly extremely impressed with the game for now

really might consider buying it one day

definitely think this is making pokemon head in a good direction

[wet crag]

Any starter sprites yet?

[forest egret]

I think @fickle birch is making the Browt one for Smogon

[quiet minnow]

what's the gen gimmick

any clues?

[velvet forum]

i hope nothing

[trail rover]

could be diving

[velvet forum]

Id like for them to go back to just a regular pokemon game

i think the gimmick idea is so overused

it would be relieving to be able to just play the game without having some stupid gimmick

[forest egret]

Even the old pokemon games introduced new game-changing mechanics with each gen - the only difference being that those ones tended to stick around

[velvet forum]

What i mean is id like to go back to simplicity, we dont need megas or gmax forms or something like it every generation its kinda starting to get annoying.

[forest egret]

I wouldn't want there to be nothing new in this game

Tera was pretty cool in how it changed certain pokemon's viability. If they were to do something like that in a similar vein that'd be cool

[velvet forum]

Yeah sure it was cool but i remember a time where pokemon didnt need to rely on gimmicks to stay relevant

[forest egret]

Again, most older pokemon games did indeed introduce new game-changing battle mechanics. They absolutely DID employ gimmicks, they just happened to be things that stuck around

Like, say, abilities

I don't want them to just make megas with a new coat of paint, of course. That sorta thing felt kinda cheap when we got gmax so I don't want something like that again

[velvet forum]

It gets to a point tho and really theres not much else you can do gimmick wise

[forest egret]

I suppose we will see. I've already seen some stuff eluded to in the leaks, but I won't discuss those here. It's not too clear yet anyway even with them

A gimmick is very, very likely coming. What it will be? Anyone's guess

[lyric stratus]

I kinda wonder if they do something like in Alola and add megas to the post game

Not that we need it but they know people love megas

[forest egret]

It would be a little weird to make all those ZA megas and just not bring them back. I would hope they do so

It does make me wonder if gmax pokemon will ever return in any other game. I don't love it as a mechanic so I won't really miss it, but because that form, lorewise, needs to be in Galar, idk if we'll ever see it again in a non-galar game lol

[velvet forum]

Most likely wont happen in the game RIGHT after za

[forest egret]

Why not? They introduced the new PLA pokemon into the game directly after it

[velvet forum]

bc they are coming to champions

[forest egret]

I don't see how that affects this, though

I think it would be funny if he was this giant ball with small legs

[cunning sierra]

I've had a few drawings of final evos, but they're mostly just colored sketches and the one I have for Pombon is probably the worst one but the idea is there

[forest egret]

Oh yeah?

[cunning sierra]

One sec

A peacock with a plumage formed by a stinking flower, a St. Bernard who heats up berry juices, and narcissist lizard with a mirror built into the tail

They're not the best but if they were better drawn out, they'd probably have more depth

[forest egret]

Nice

I like the bird

[cunning sierra]

Thank you!

[quiet minnow]

Pombon into chow chow

[cunning sierra]

If the tongue was blue, yes

[lyric stratus]

I can see Pombon have to do with sweets

Mainly cuz it reminds me of the word Bonbon which is candy

[latent owl]

serperior

emboar

[forest egret]

That's pretty sick

[humble meteor]

New Food type

[lyric stratus]

Why? Fairy is kinda the food type

[humble meteor]

Ohhh, fair

See Slurpuff

And Alcremie

And Daschbun (or however you say their name)

And I think I'm not forgetting about anyone else

[jade ocean]

Kinda but not exactly considering we have stuff like Dipplin or Pecharunt

[humble meteor]

I think

Therefore I AM

[humble meteor]

And sinistea

[lyric stratus]

Okay so its the sweets type

Grass ist Veggi, fungy and Fruit

[humble meteor]

And a anchor for some reason

[lyric stratus]

I mean Dhelmise isnt the Anchor

Its the seagrass holding the stuff together

[jade ocean]

Appletun is also definitely food related

Flapple kinda isn't though

And Appletun does probably taste sweet since yknow

Sweet Apple

[humble meteor]

What is Snover and Abomasnow?

[lyric stratus]

They are Coniverous trees

[jade ocean]

Tree

[humble meteor]

Ahhhh

[lyric stratus]

Coniferous

[humble meteor]

Checks out

[jade ocean]

Grass type is just plant and fungi

And seaweed

Which isn't technically a plant

[humble meteor]

I'm trying to think of any weird grass types

[jade ocean]

I mean it's really just Dhelmise

[lyric stratus]

Grass is living organisms that are not Animalistic
Yes some grass types are also Animals while doing it

[jade ocean]

Because even when you know it's the seaweed, seaweed isn't a plant

And it's the only one of its kind here

[lyric stratus]

coniferous

oops

wrong copy

[humble meteor]

Gogoat maybe

[lyric stratus]

thats what I wanted to ping

[jade ocean]

Idk, paper is made from trees

[lyric stratus]

I mean it has foliage as part of its body

[humble meteor]

Oop-... That's a grass type?

[jade ocean]

So close enough really

[jade ocean]

Grass/Steel

[lyric stratus]

Yeah but its a stretch kinda so yeah

[jade ocean]

It also has 131 Defence

Which is funny to me

[humble meteor]

Once again, I have cut, a worthless object

Again, I cut, again, I cut!

[jade ocean]

Because that's the exact same Defence as the other fully evolved Grass/Steel type

[humble meteor]

Ferrothorn?

[jade ocean]

Yup

[forest egret]

Ehhhh. The thing about the UBs is they're all aliens with strange biology. Him being a plant makes sense if you think of it like that

[humble meteor]

Why is Mawile a Steel Type?

[jade ocean]

Defence on par with Ferrothorn and SpD on par with Spearow

[lyric stratus]

Prob something about steel hair

[jade ocean]

That's just how it is with Kartana

[forest egret]

Because it's jaws were metal horns, but I think they might have retcon them into being actual functional mouths

[robust wren]

That's UBs for ya

Minmaxed AF

[humble meteor]

And Guzlord's eternal screams

[jade ocean]

I do like that their minmaxes do give them flaws though and don't just make all of them Ubers bullshit

[humble meteor]

Also did UltraBeasts really represent deadly sins?

[jade ocean]

Kartana's Speed isn't THAT high, and its overall bulk is poor due to low HP and SpD

So it isn't the hardest to outoffence it

[robust wren]

I mean, Pheromosa and Naganadel are pretty definitively Ubers BS

[jade ocean]

True

Also Kartana's type, while it is a top 3 Defensive type, is also garbage offensively

[forest egret]

I don't think so. The UBs might be based on irl invasive species though, atleast the original ones were

Bricks and clowns aren't an invasive species sadly they are endemic wildlife

[robust wren]

Kartana with STAB on Sacred Sword would probably make a valid argument for going to Ubers

[jade ocean]

Neither are paper and wires

But the idea of invasive species is present in all of the UBs

And there is the theory that the original UBs were indeed based on the 7 deadly sins

[lyric stratus]

I mean building walls can stop invasions
And Clowns remind me of the Bad Clown times 10ish years ago

[humble meteor]

Buzzwole and Kartana both represent Pride though

[robust wren]

Celesteela is probably my favorite UB in terms of their inspiration for the Kaguya Hime reference

[forest egret]

I assume they're more abstract. Like, powerlines being invasive to nature. Idk what the paper thing is though, are paper trees invasive? Idk.

[robust wren]

Paper means deforestation maybe?

[lyric stratus]

I once heard UBS represent deadly sins

[jade ocean]

That was a theory

[forest egret]

The invasive thing isn't a theory though, that is confirmed by the Sun and Moon director, though he didn't say what each specifically were

[jade ocean]

I've always felt like they represent invasive species as an idea and not necessarily as invasive species that mirror real life invasive species

Though some of them definitely do mirror invasive species

[robust wren]

Quite a few of them do mirror real invasive species, but it could be a situation like how people think all Grass starters are extinct fauna when all living things have extinct ancestors

[jade ocean]

I mean I'm sure there's at least 1 invasive jellyfish

[lyric stratus]

I still think Grass starters are extinct fauna, till now it fits too good

[jade ocean]

But if they wanted to get things straight up based on invasive species

Then like

Why wouldn't Nihilego be a lionfish or something?

[humble meteor]

Kartana is so cool regardless

I love them

[jade ocean]

Lionfish are like, THE invasive species in the water

[forest egret]

Rillaboom is based on the monkeysaurus

[humble meteor]

One thing I will never understand though...

[jade ocean]

So yeah I think it's invasive species as a concept rather than straight up

[humble meteor]

https://tenor.com/view/grapploct-pokemon-anime-pokemon-anime-grappler-gif-8596693259443253583

[humble meteor]

You

[robust wren]

I did theory craft a completion of a hypothetical Ultra Starter trio where there was a Dandelion Grass starter and Hammerhead Flatworm Ground starter to go with Naganadel supposedly being a Poison wasp

[forest egret]

I like that he's not a water type and they should make more non-water aquatic pokemon

[jade ocean]

Because last I checked, paper, wires and black holes aren't invasive species

Off the basis that they aren't living species at all

[forest egret]

Xurkitree is still a tree, even if in the context of pokemon he's made of wires

[robust wren]

I think Lockistin tried tying Guzzlord to some crab species when he talked about that theory

[lyric stratus]

Why does everyone who hears extinct come up with stuff like "Monkeysaurus" qwq

[forest egret]

Monkeysaurus

[lyric stratus]

yeah sure

[jade ocean]

I don't like the grass starter extinct theory because like

[humble meteor]

Mmmmm, monke

[jade ocean]

What, we gonna make a fire starter extinct theory now?

Or a Water starter extinct theory?

Because if you try, you can

[humble meteor]

What is Chestnaught?

[forest egret]

There's nothing about the gigantopithecus that isn't already covered by him being a Gorilla

[robust wren]

I mean, like I said, every species alive can be tied to an extinct species cause that's how Darwinian evolution works

[lyric stratus]

idk

[forest egret]

Cinderace is based on the bunnysaurus

Nice one

[jade ocean]

Because frogs, snakes, monkeys and cats are famously extinct

Sure there's extinct species of those

But there extinct species of salamanders, badgers, galliformes, monkeys, pigs, foxes, tigers, rabbits and crocodiles too

[forest egret]

Monkeys will be famously extinct

[humble meteor]

Meowscarada is very likely a lince ibérico

[humble meteor]

can't remember the name is english

But it is in danger of extinction

[robust wren]

What exactly does Meowscarada have that would tie it to anything but your standard housecat

[humble meteor]

Reminds me of a lynx

[jade ocean]

But is it extinct?

[forest egret]

I like moneky

[latent owl]

there's no theory or correlation between starters of a certain type from all generations, there's a correlation between the 3 starters of each region

[jade ocean]

Well guess what, it isn't, and it isn't even endangered currently

[latent owl]

every starter trio has a theme

[forest egret]

(For the most part)

[lyric stratus]

Okay gimme another starter group that has explicit extinct animals Like (the most obv for grass) a Sauropod

[humble meteor]

No, but close. I am not defending the extinct theory btw

[robust wren]

Also Meowscarada just does not have that spotted patterning at all

[jade ocean]

And if you want to say "Oh it's vulnerable" then like we're just gonna do the 90% Pokemon extinct theory or some shit now

[forest egret]

Some don't, particularly the early ones didn't have much of a theme beyond just being 3 monsters to pick from

[latent owl]

could be kings, could be carnaval, could be circus, could be jrpg based

[lyric stratus]

Okay Bastiodon isnt a Ceraopsian since it has no beak

[jade ocean]

There is no link between the starters from different generations

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/bastiodon-pokemon-rock-steel-running-gif-26494729

[jade ocean]

Well apart from Zard and Typhlosion

[lyric stratus]

Acting like not all warter starters are semi aquatic animals

[humble meteor]

Oh I'd swear it was. Guess it has been rescued

[latent owl]

the only thing in there could be the fire theory but that is the only thing

the zodiac

animals can repeat

[jade ocean]

My favourite mouse, the hedgehog

[latent owl]

still

[forest egret]

His nose is kind of a beak

[lyric stratus]

Cynda is a shrew...

[jade ocean]

And before you say "But it's the fire mouse Pokemon!"

Well guess what?

[latent owl]

is a fire mouse

[humble meteor]

Not a mouse

[jade ocean]

Blastoise isn't a fucking shellfish

So like

[latent owl]

fennekin is a fox

[humble meteor]

Duh

[latent owl]

but considered as dog

[jade ocean]

The theory died at Gen 2

[robust wren]

Bastiodon is clearly a ceratopsid based on its general body plan, but cat species are so varied that you can't say that one Pokémon is so definitively based on another when there's no connecting tissue beyond "it's a feline" and "it's in the Iberian Peninsula region"

[latent owl]

charizard is not a dragon

[jade ocean]

Cyndaquil isn't a mouse, the best it could be is some kind of rodent

[forest egret]

Charizard is a dragon

[latent owl]

is more snake than dragon

[jade ocean]

Zard is definitely a dragon

[humble meteor]

Charizard is a dragon

[lyric stratus]

Oh and Lynx features are just random right?

[robust wren]

If Fennekin is the dog then what is Pombon

[latent owl]

if it was a dragon charizard name would be chargon instead

[jade ocean]

I do not care if it's not a Dragon type, it's a dragon

[latent owl]

a dog again

[humble meteor]

Why would it be?

[humble meteor]

Salamance is not a dragon then?

[jade ocean]

What is this, some kind of shrew?

[forest egret]

This part is interesting to me, for the people who think Fennekin is the dog of the zodiac, how are they work it for this gen

[latent owl]

gamefreak considers cyndaquil as a mouse

[jade ocean]

Once again, I need to ask

[lyric stratus]

Tenrec
And it would fit in the group of animals gamefreak would slide under mouse

[jade ocean]

Do you think Blastoise is a shellfish?

[latent owl]

if gamefreak considers it

[humble meteor]

Then Charizard is a dragon

[forest egret]

Fishe

[jade ocean]

Still not a mouse, and not even a rodent apparently

[lyric stratus]

Tbh depending how far one can stretch

[jade ocean]

I guess Clawitzer is pointless then

[latent owl]

lizardon

[jade ocean]

Can't believe they added another cannon shellfish, running out of ideas smh

[humble meteor]

Lizards don't have wings last I checked

And breath fire

[latent owl]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-winds-and-waves-browt-grass-starter-browt-the-bean-chick-pokemon-winds-and-waves-starters-gif-5933741107353915907

rowlet

[lyric stratus]

Oh sure cuz putting the word rodent in a kids game isnt confusing for those gremlins

[humble meteor]

Then Florges is a flower right?

[latent owl]

browlet

[humble meteor]

From Dragon, lol

[latent owl]

yeah

[humble meteor]

If Gamefreak says it

Charizard is a dragon

[latent owl]

then is a dragon

[jade ocean]

But yeah uh TLDR I don't like the theories of all the starters linking to each other across generations

[humble meteor]

That's what I've been saying

[lyric stratus]

Btw why do we discuss about the English categorys from pokes? Wouldnt the japanese make more sense?

[forest egret]

I'm surprised how underutilized the fire/dragon combo is in pokemon

[jade ocean]

Because all of them can be pretty easily debunked even with earlier members

Don't even get me started on the water starter weapon theory

[lyric stratus]

I still love how everyone skipped about all water starters being semi aquatic animals

[robust wren]

Chameleon

[jade ocean]

I think you'd struggle to find a Water type that isn't either semi aquatic or fully aquatic

[latent owl]

chalemeon

[jade ocean]

So that's more so a trend with all the water types in general

[latent owl]

salamander

[forest egret]

Ironically this gen's water pokemon isn't based on a semi-aquatic animal

[lyric stratus]

I mean if there wasnt a reason why not make a water dog

[humble meteor]

But then you compare it to Grass being extinct animals and Fire being Symbols and think... Wouldn't it be more original?

[jade ocean]

Y'know that is funny

[lyric stratus]

we dont even know the final
Sobble looked more like a chameleon until it went fully into Basilisk

[latent owl]

fire is fire

[humble meteor]

Yes

[lyric stratus]

AND I count the jesus lizard as semi aquatic

[latent owl]

water is water

[jade ocean]

Original? Not really

[latent owl]

grass is grass

[jade ocean]

Technically correct? I mean yeah

[humble meteor]

It's not

[latent owl]

that's the only thing in common

[humble meteor]

It just runs over it

[latent owl]

[jade ocean]

But yeah the weapon theory is wack

[humble meteor]

Oh God who chopped it up?

[jade ocean]

"Brass knuckles" 💔

[latent owl]

what is primarina

[humble meteor]

Plastic wand

[lyric stratus]

I will wait till you like something and I start with "nuh uh"

[robust wren]

Swampert representing a battle fan has to be the biggest stretch I've ever seen for it

[latent owl]

what do you mean

[humble meteor]

Awww

[latent owl]

he's always like this

[jade ocean]

And then there's Quaquaval where like

[humble meteor]

The head is at the back

[jade ocean]

Ah yes

My favourite weapon

The foot

[humble meteor]

Capoeira

But yeah not a weapon

[latent owl]

pombon is the goat

obviously

[humble meteor]

That's Fuecoco apparently

[jade ocean]

There's both early and late outliers

[humble meteor]

Or was it the horse?

[latent owl]

he's the horse

[jade ocean]

I think I've seen it as both

[humble meteor]

Which doesn't make sense

[robust wren]

I think I saw one argument that it was a Chakram cause it has all its little peacock things form a circle around itself when using Aqua Step. Which IMO proves how desperate these theories get

[jade ocean]

But tbf the goat thing was probably a joke on how Skeledirge is the GOAT

[lyric stratus]

Since we discuss about theorys here is the most recent list of them

[robust wren]

Skeledirge as a snake is insane

[jade ocean]

Crocodiles are more closely related to birds than snakes

[forest egret]

The basilisk lizard is semi-aquatic. The running is to escape from predators but outside of that they do spend a lot of time in water

[jade ocean]

I just want to point that out

But tbf the fire starter and weapon theory were doomed anyways

[lyric stratus]

Yeah tbh I dont see the snake part either but for me the Zodiac thing was the biggest stretch till now

[humble meteor]

Where's the mace is Primarina?

[forest egret]

Skeledirge is The Goat

[jade ocean]

Decidueye as a land owl is actually not the most out there actually

Since there's a lot of species of more terrestrial owls on islands that get wiped out due to invasive species

[lyric stratus]

Actually Hawaii has a famous extinct owl with very long leggs

[jade ocean]

Also Decidueye is a Ghost type

[robust wren]

Fire Zodiac theorists are so crazy about trying to make the theory work with Pombon making Fennekin redundant that I've seen people call Pombon the sheep cause of Sheepdogs. Really.

[jade ocean]

But yeah no extinct animal theory I don't like

You could technically make it work

But you could make it work for Fire starters

Or Water starters

Or most other groups of Pokemon

[lyric stratus]

To be fair if other mons didnt break it first I wouldnt bat a eye, why not have 2 fire canines

[latent owl]

he got nice hair

[humble meteor]

And?

[latent owl]

too bad he's gonna be like ampharos

he will become bald and bipedal

[jade ocean]

Makes it a lot less of a leap in logic than assuming Venusaur is actually Beelzebufo or something like that

[humble meteor]

Is Sceptile a ghost type?

[latent owl]

sceptile is a grass grass type

[forest egret]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BALD

[lyric stratus]

I think Blastoise is the reason for the weapon theory, It would have been enough to say Semi aquatic animals
Even tho I have to say till now only Water starters used weapons iirc

[jade ocean]

It's mainly just the fact that islands are known for terrestrial owls that go extinct

[humble meteor]

At least Ampharos regains their hair when megaevolving

[jade ocean]

That's like a very common occurrence

[humble meteor]

Just to clarify, are you with or against the Extinct animal theory?

[jade ocean]

Against for sure

[humble meteor]

Me too

[jade ocean]

But Decidueye isn't the biggest deal breaker

[humble meteor]

I don't think they have theories at all

Just... Cool pokemon

[jade ocean]

The extinct theory kinda just died with Venusaur I'm gonna be fr

Everything you could say for it is a massive stretch

[humble meteor]

Inspired by what's popular in those places

[lyric stratus]

I say I do expect pokemon to have some sort of theme between the starters but not all theorys are right

[humble meteor]

Or not

[robust wren]

Has anyone tried attaching Gecqua to the weapon thing yet? Cause I swear if people call its tail a cannon

[lyric stratus]

One of the most prehistoric looking ones broke it?

[jade ocean]

It's a frog

[humble meteor]

I like the Psychic-Fighting-Dark thing that Delphox-Chestnaught-Greninja have going on

[lyric stratus]

Nah mostly cuz the weapon part is theory wise coming in finals

[jade ocean]

Sure it's a big frog and big frogs are more common in the past but Venusaur dwarves Beelzebufo and Pokemon do generally grow bigger than their inspirations anyways

[lyric stratus]

I mean isnt saying it cant be extinct cuz it has living relatives exactly a stretch as the other way around

[jade ocean]

Then why don't we make fire starter extinct theory?

Or Water starter extinct theory?

[humble meteor]

I'll make you a better one...

[lyric stratus]

What I have to give the water and the grass theorys is that Grass is the only one with atleast one 100% extinct animal and Water is the only ones with actual weapons

[humble meteor]

All bug types are bugs theory

[jade ocean]

Let's just start tracing every Pokemon ever to extinct animals

[humble meteor]

Hear me out

[jade ocean]

Crustle is a hermit crab

So the funniest part is

[robust wren]

Every single Pokémon not based off of an inanimate object is based off of LUCA

[lyric stratus]

You trying to not understand where I am coming from?
Atleast I try to understand you guys

[humble meteor]

Counterpoint, Ultrabeasts come from different dimensions

And Staryu, Starmie and a few others are aliens, not evolved here

So no relation to LUCA

[jade ocean]

No I mean yeah you can trace the to extinct animals but I can't get over the fact that you can do that for most animals

That's how it works

[humble meteor]

Also Arceus

[lyric stratus]

Tell me one fully extinct animal on the Fire and Watertypes and one Poke with a actual weapon on Grass and fire (even tho I dont believe the weapon theory 2 pokes def have a weapon theme only in water)

[lyric stratus]

Ofc you can do that to everything but if a group has to do with one another like the starters do its not just a random bs thing imo

[robust wren]

Decidueye the bowman

[lyric stratus]

Okay give you that
But also I say I dont believe water

Does Meowscaradas trick count too?

[jade ocean]

Also I'm gonna be real I think stuff like Dinosaur Sceptile, Ankylosaur Torterra, and Chesnaught whatever-the-extinct-group-of-armadillo-is-called-i-kinda-forgot are stretches

[forest egret]

Ankylosaur Torterra makes sense to me

[jade ocean]

And Titanaboa Serperior is definitely just

[humble meteor]

Weird

[jade ocean]

Why are we assuming this is titanaboa again?

[lyric stratus]

Gimme living Tortoises with spike also including face

[forest egret]

Lol yeah titanoboa doesn't really mean that much

All the snake pokemon are big snakes

[lyric stratus]

But isnt that exactly what I said one can go 2 ways with it fits or doesnt

[jade ocean]

Same with Rillaboom or Meows but they're newer so they get a pass for now

[jade ocean]

True

[jade ocean]

Y'know what? That is fair, but the mata mata does kinda have spikes on its face

[lyric stratus]

You dont have a absolut proof that grass starters arent meant to represent a extinct animal and I dont have to say they are

I may have the likes of Meganium and not one other starter group having a fully extinct animal but you also think starters have nothing to do with one another

So since we wont get further just say its a tie

[jade ocean]

Sure

[forest egret]

I am curious, you said before you believe the zodiac theory is kind of a stretch right

[lyric stratus]

Who knows maybe gen 10 finals continue to fit or go fully out of the way with them not fitting

[lyric stratus]

Yeah

[humble meteor]

Gimme cat dinosaur

[daring finch]

No

[jade ocean]

I'm gonna continue shittalking the weapon theory though lmaoooo why tf do we have motherfucking Primarina as a mace

[forest egret]

What do you think the fire theme is, then

[jade ocean]

Bro is a SPECIAL ATTACKER

[lyric stratus]

There cant be cat dinosaurs... biology

[daring finch]

Does there have to be a theme with all starters

[humble meteor]

Please Browt turn into a JPG of a regular bird, it'd be so funny

[robust wren]

Why do the starters need an overarching theme

[lyric stratus]

Okay not to support it but grabbing it on the tail and hit around feels fuuny

[daring finch]

I think all fire starters are made in a vacuum based on the region

[forest egret]

I don't believe they do, I'm asking him the question

[jade ocean]

Y'know what that would be funny

[lyric stratus]

Imo why shouldnt those special mons not have one

[jade ocean]

Y'know what?

Here's the theme for the Fire starters

[humble meteor]

Because most Pokemon that don't have a very specific theme don't have a theme?

[jade ocean]

They're all Fire types

Yeah, that's it

[daring finch]

People are always looking for patterns in everything. Its our nature

[lyric stratus]

Yeah but most pokemon dont have to do with others at all
Them being starters is a connection
Like fossils being a group
Or Rival pokes

[humble meteor]

But those are clear, in game explained themes

[jade ocean]

Honestly Cinderace fits the weapon theory more than half the water types

[lyric stratus]

Or do you want to say every 3 stage mon could be a starter?

[humble meteor]

No?

[jade ocean]

I mean I'd say kicking a rock at someone's face counts as weapon usage

[daring finch]

Weapon theory died with feraligtr

[humble meteor]

I'm just saying, starter Pokemon already have a theme... They're starter Pokemon

[jade ocean]

It did

And Swampert helped dig its grave

[humble meteor]

In universe, that's their connection

[lyric stratus]

So making one thing a group is automatically a theme for you?

[humble meteor]

Nothing else, they are starter Pokemon

[humble meteor]

No? I'm just saying, that's their thing

[vast fossil]

They have themes at the end of their evolution line.

[daring finch]

They have themes that match the region

[humble meteor]

Yeah, they're bigger

[lyric stratus]

So you say Starter pokemon are like any other pokemon if they werent labeld starters

[daring finch]

The french region has french inspired starters

[vast fossil]

For kalos it was fantasy classes.

[daring finch]

Shocking I know

[forest egret]

That's not always true, tbh

[jade ocean]

That's moreso in newer gens though

[daring finch]

Those gens dont exist

[jade ocean]

Older gens didn't really have that I think

[vast fossil]

Mage. Ninja. And knight

[daring finch]

Well I am gonna go, too tired to really talk

[forest egret]

I am still curious about what gen 7's starter theme is

Not that I don't believe they have one, I just don't know what it is

[vast fossil]

I like the new way they connect the final evos. I liked the old gen designs but it feels more connected now

[lyric stratus]

Wasnt it kinda Circus themed or something

[jade ocean]

The theme is that they're slow as fuck frfr

[vast fossil]

Preforming arts

[daring finch]

Different performances, singing, wrestling and Robin hood

[lyric stratus]

True

wait was there a circus theme?

[forest egret]

Performing arts seems more likely than circus

[daring finch]

I think its just primarina

[lyric stratus]

I rememberd some sort of that?

[vast fossil]

Gen 8 was entertainment in general

[lyric stratus]

Yeah I switched something up in general

[forest egret]

Gen 8 was british pop culture entertainment

[vast fossil]

While gen 9 continued that theme as well

[lyric stratus]

Gen 9 feels like street entertainment
Magic
Dance
Sing

[forest egret]

Gen 9's are based off of south american festivities

[lyric stratus]

Gen 5 felt like leaders or something along the line

[vast fossil]

Yeah they feel different but its the same core concept just excuted differently

[forest egret]

Gen 5 is the three kingdoms

[vast fossil]

Yeah gen 5 was kingdoms

[daring finch]

I feel like I wouldve liked quagquaval more if that was the singing one

[forest egret]

I don't think gens 1-4 had one

[vast fossil]

Emboars flame neck design was a reference to a general being beheaded i believe

[daring finch]

Imagine getting clowned like that by pokemon

[lyric stratus]

Gen 4 were myths
World Turtle
Sun Wu kong
Poseidon

[vast fossil]

Nope. They are based on mythology apparently

[jade ocean]

Given how Meowscarada's name is a pun on mascarada I don't think it's hard to guess what one of its inspirations are

[forest egret]

I guess that makes sense

[vast fossil]

I think it started in gen 4

[lyric stratus]

gen 1 was said by pokemon comp iirc to be animals you find in your garden
Turtle, Frog and Lizard

[forest egret]

Gen 4 being myth themed sure I can dig it

[daring finch]

Isnt that just gen 1

[jade ocean]

Y'all find turtles in your garden?

[vast fossil]

Which isnt that surprising considering gen 4 is when pokemon really hit its stride with stuff like that

[lyric stratus]

Where do you find a Monkey in your garden

Or a raflensia

[lyric stratus]

You dont?

[vast fossil]

I could find turtles in my yard yeah

Snapping ones

[daring finch]

In countries where monkeys live in the wild

[jade ocean]

Yeah I don't :/

I do get frogs and lizards though

[forest egret]

That's more because gen 1 is just Satoshi Tajiri's bug-collecting passion inspired the creature collection aspect of pokemon - it's more of a common thing for the gen than just a starter theme

[jade ocean]

It'd honestly be more likely for me to find a monkey in my garden

[forest egret]

Moneky

Oooh aah

[vast fossil]

Also it was probably safer to base fantasy animals on irl animals for a new series like pokemon was at the time

[daring finch]

Wow lets catch this one for my dex completion

[lyric stratus]

But I say gen 4 gave every group a obvious connecting theme

[forest egret]

Yeah, I think so too

1-3's are just critter collections

[jade ocean]

Also I didn't say anything but this theory is kinda fire

[vast fossil]

I do hope its not entertainment based again. While gen 8 and 9 had pretty different ways to approach the theme i do think it'd be nice to have a new one

[daring finch]

Gen 2 is the marketable gen

[lyric stratus]

I mean its a obv one looking at them

[forest egret]

Same

Gen 7 too, ig

[daring finch]

Lets do a music pokemon again

Browt is a singer

[lyric stratus]

Yeah lets go with "not legal jobs"
Stuff like a Pirat or so

[daring finch]

And if you dont agree I will send in the big bird from angry birds

[vast fossil]

We have enough music starters

[forest egret]

The three gen 10 starters are going to be a battle of brows, hair, and eyelashes

[lyric stratus]

Man poor Browt

[vast fossil]

We have entire starter trio of them in fact I just realized

[daring finch]

Fortune teller theory

[lyric stratus]

I hate how facial hair doesnt sound too abstract atm...

Let Pombon go bald

[vast fossil]

Poplio fuecoco and grokey make their own starter trio lol

[forest egret]

Hell yeah

[daring finch]

I wish skeliderge was a full on mariachi singer

[vast fossil]

Thats... abit insensitive

[forest egret]

Legends game with the three music starters

[vast fossil]

Also Spain isnt where mariachi is from

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-review-dog-naked-dog-gif-26179816

Pombons evo

[vast fossil]

Your thinking of mexico

Oh that dog. Thats the breed with the super long name

[daring finch]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-anime-pokemon-horizons-hogator-achigator-gif-13207507672291987448

[vast fossil]

X something

[daring finch]

They were lowkey going for it

[vast fossil]

No. They really werent?

Its just dancing

[forest egret]

The Day of the Dead is mexican too, though

[daring finch]

Its literally wearing a sombrero

Or smt that is representative

Of one

[vast fossil]

Thats not a sombrero

Its a nest.

[forest egret]

I don't agree that Skeledirge should've been a mariachi singer but I do think he's definitely mexican in his origin

[forest egret]

It's both

[vast fossil]

Also Spain has something similar to the day of the dead so its not that weird to use as inspi

[lyric stratus]

We ignore colonization

[vast fossil]

I think all saints day probably is from colonization actually

But all souls day maybe something that is Spain in origin

[lyric stratus]

Nah but its taking a good part for why some pokemon are in regions theyr theme or looks dont fully fit
It got even more obvious gen 5 onward when they themed it more to the region

[vast fossil]

True.

I just think using marachi in a Spain starter would be well insensitive especially since im sure Spain is tired of being compared to Mexico and vice versa

[lyric stratus]

I just wait for someone with "BUT PKMN XY DOESNT FIT OUT OF THE 100 OTHER MONS IN THE REGION"

[lyric stratus]

I mean they can still make a Marachi poke or even form

[vast fossil]

The thing is alot of those odd looking pokemon are stated in their pokedex not to be native to the region

[forest egret]

The gen 9 starters aren't specifically spanish

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/i-told-you-guys-cartman-south-park-i-knew-it-told-you-so-gif-20334243

[daring finch]

English or spanish

[vast fossil]

Yeah I just think using a Mexico based thing in a Spain inspired region is just abit not good

[forest egret]

And to be honest, I think trying to downplay a pokemon with a mexican identity is the actual insensitive move

[vast fossil]

Again since those two countries are very different and are always being compared

[lyric stratus]

I mean they use a Dutch/European dog breed in gen 10
And some speculated areas for the region were colonized by the dutch

[vast fossil]

Thats the only reason why I think its not a good idea. Like if fuecoco was in any other region it'd be fine

[daring finch]

This is true they asked me to do that

[lyric stratus]

But it wouldnt fit as good

[vast fossil]

Thats what I mean

The 2 countries are always being compared and thats not fair to them

[lyric stratus]

Would it be bad to base stuff around nowadays America cuz its what America became after colonization

[vast fossil]

They are different countries that dont want to be continually compared to each other

[lyric stratus]

But they still have deep connections

Its the same as we cant evolve out of a clade
You can cry about not wanting to be a primate as much as you want but you will always be a Primate

[vast fossil]

... thats... not remotely similar dude

If anything you thinking it is is really messed up

They are different countries.

[lyric stratus]

Kinda is, we have to live with the fact that spain is the reason for Mexico being what it is today
Same as the earliest Human species came from africa

[vast fossil]

Yeah im not even gonna keep talking to someone who thinks like that

[daring finch]

I think youre overthinking it

[finite totem]

I AM GOOD FROM STATE TO STATE 🗣️

[lyric stratus]

These days many just try to close away everything that can be slightly uncomfy. We gotta face it, colonization was a bloody time and often bad but most mexicans originate from somewhere else same as the culture.
Thats the same for every culture around the world.
I hate that it sounds that bad but thats just how it is.

[forest egret]

Let's just, let this conversation go

[lyric stratus]

Can I say something important about it as a last thing?

[forest egret]

Nope

[lyric stratus]

kk

[forest egret]

I wonder what the box legends are gonna be this gen

I assume flying and water for their respective games, but beyond that I'm curious

[finite totem]

Dragon steel and dragon dark

[robust wren]

I can't imagine they would just be themed around the wind and waves, considering that's already Kyogre and Rayquaza stuff

There's gotta be some other theming to them besides that, but I don't know what it could be

Maybe something like ebb and flow?

[forest egret]

Well they don't gotta be Gods of those respective things lol. But sure, I wouldn't be against them NOT being those types

[lyric stratus]

Prob a legend from a mythology again

[finite totem]

I mean even if it is the theme it don't mean much. Reshiram and Zekrom don't exist to make your photos and tv lose colour

[lyric stratus]

And since its the first time we are likely in a mainly Muslim region I would like to see some cryptids and legends from there

[forest egret]

I hope they aren't dragons

[finite totem]

Sure we get Arceus but he can't get eggs or be contained in a pokeball

[lyric stratus]

Also i hope Hoopa returns

[forest egret]

Somehow, Hoopa returned

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[lyric stratus]

Yeah in ZA so I can see it being there in WIWA too

[finite totem]

They kept mega in Alola games as a trade gimmick no?

[forest egret]

I wouldn't be surprised if he's in the dex, but idk if he'll be a plot thing

[lyric stratus]

Maybe post game

[finite totem]

After eating food or going to a cave

[lyric stratus]

But yeah I hope to see stuff from Muslim and Hindu mythology (Hindu cuz that was the biggest one before Colo iirc)

Also just as Info I think its in Indonesia

so it makes more sense

[forest egret]

This is probably what the theme will be, it's very on-brand with the other box legendaries doing the whole dual contrasting concepts thing

[finite totem]

Well Islam don't have much stuff and sees it a sin to depict everything they have

[lyric stratus]

I mean they do have some things
But I gotta say I wont expect pokemon to lean fully into them but partially.

But since someone seems to already feel unsure with talking about it uuuuh new topic

You guys think we get fossil mons and what animals do you expect

I expect a Marine Reptile and a Pterosaur

Just to fit the theme

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-coasts-2022-bbc-nature-documentary-tuarangisaurus-keyesi-gif-13708915210303033019

https://tenor.com/view/prehistoric-planet-pterosaur-pterodactyl-phosphatodraco-walking-gif-27624443

[finite totem]

Yeah makes sense mostly

Part I wonder is would they return to rock types or keep them without rock like in swsh

[lyric stratus]

I hope they dont add the rock type

but also I think many would start screaming that Fossil mons are just random pokes if they do

[robust wren]

Tropical regions don't tend to have the most extensive fossil records due to a bunch of them being relatively young from a geological sense. If we do get fossils I could see them being Cambrian stuff as those were all sea creatures

[lyric stratus]

I know that
But I wouldnt expect 2 Aquatic prehistoric animals so I went with what would fit the area
And what doesnt fit more than Flying and Marine reptiles

[lime void]

Hoenn has fossils and it’s a tropical region

[lyric stratus]

Also the fossil enjoyers need some new things

[robust wren]

And they're an Anomalocaris and Crinoid, Cambrian stuff

[lyric stratus]

And?

[robust wren]

And... the fossils he cited as examples of Fossil mons in a tropical region are if anything supporting my thesis on Cambrian fossils being the fossils that make the most sense for a tropical region

[lyric stratus]

Random side question
T rex is European?

Archeopteryx American?

[jade ocean]

Oh I see what you mean

I was gonna say "No it's American" but then I remembered Tyrantrum lived in Kalos

That and you adding Archeopteryx in America

[lyric stratus]

Exactly
Fossil mons seem to rather fit the region than the rl place where they were found

Thats why if we get fossils I can see a Marine reptile and Flying reptile cuz looking at gen 10 it would fit to what we think many well known species would have lived

[finite totem]

I think fossils would be bald dudes that argue where is origins of regional foods that cure status is from

[lyric stratus]

A diffrent part Winds and Waves just screams for those type of fossil mons

[jade ocean]

I mean to my memory, Mosasaurs were just very widespread

So they could really be justified in most regions

[lyric stratus]

Yeah but it fits most in a water based region like that

[jade ocean]

And technically we already have like a representative of the plesiosaurs in Arctozolt and Arctovish

Even though they literally took like

[lyric stratus]

Like yeah we find Marine reptile fossils in the Alps too but does that fit? to revive a Mosa fossil

[jade ocean]

The least recognisable part of the body

[lyric stratus]

Lets be real do you REALLY count the mixed forms?

[forest egret]

Lapras is kind of a plesiosaur too even if he's not a fossil

[jade ocean]

I could see myself counting the Vish fossil

Since it is extremely recognisable as Dunkelosteus

[lyric stratus]

Also dont we have 2 Theropod dinosaurs too?

[jade ocean]

But the others?

Yeah no not really

But yeah I think Mosasaur fossil would be cool

Mfw they have a job of making a Pliosaur fossil and they take literally the part where you could confuse it for any plesiosaur

Good job Gamefreak

[reef pulsar]

I'm so gonna guess that alot of water types would get introduced considering the theme of the new region

7.8 too much water

[shell lake]

Have yall seen the theory that this games new mechanic will be fusions of some sort?

[lyric stratus]

It wont be

[robust wren]

I feel like if Fusion was even a twinkle in Gamefreaks eye at this point the server wouldn't be a thing

[lime void]

I feel like fusion has been a twinkle in game freaks eye since Gen 1

Venustoise anyone?

[eager flower]

I mean, we already had fusion in Pokémon, like, three times actually in games? (Plus a bunch of times in lore, like with Shelder and Slowpoke) - Kyurem, Necrozma, Calyrex. It's something they've been doing for a while now.

[lyric stratus]

I wouldnt count Calyrex

[eager flower]

I mean, it works the same way as the other fusions

[lyric stratus]

Im not a new thing if I sit on my horse

Talking about him

[eager flower]

in a way that you have two Pokémon, you do a thing and now you have one Pokémon that are the two original Pokémon combined. Yeah, it is just one of the two Pokémon sitting on the other one but mechanically, it works the same way