pokemon-winds-waves

[potent aspen]

see i kinda like that one it's so goofy

[opal gull]

we have enough fire ghost types as is anyways

[normal zodiac]

I meant back in gen 1

[vast fossil]

I do agree with that. Honestly would love a mega one esp- we have 2 lines?

Fire ghost types

[opal gull]

skeldirge chandelure ceurledge

[normal zodiac]

Where there was only 3 ghost types period

[opal gull]

ghost type was a special deal back then

[vast fossil]

Thats not alot

[opal gull]

and was a ate addition I think

also hisuian typhlosion

[potent aspen]

okay mega Ninetales should be fire/dragon. i've seen japanese art of dragon-like kitsune before and i just think it's neat

[opal gull]

we got fire ghost starters back to back and a promient one in same region as one of em

dragonw as even more special type back then

[normal zodiac]

Mega Ninetails should be fire dragon if we get it

[vast fossil]

Yeah and now no type is particularly special. Besides maybe dragon type because legendaries but its still a naturally occurring thing

Which i prefer

Makes the world feel more lived in and natural

[robust wren]

Hasn't stopped Gamefreak before. *coughcoughEmboring

[vast fossil]

Emboar should have been ground type

[normal zodiac]

Then the Trinity would have been complete

[vast fossil]

I like its design but it shouldn't have been fighting type

[normal zodiac]

Of fire ground water ground and grass ground starters

[opal gull]

yeah but youd hope theyd learn from their mistakes

[vast fossil]

I wonder what the regional normal bird and bugs will be

[opal gull]

regional bird is wind exclusive /s

[vast fossil]

God could you imagine?

[finite totem]

I can definitely see 2 birds version exclusive

[vast fossil]

I do wonder if we'll get anything else besides pokepia this year?

[robust wren]

Imagine there's whole soaring through the sky and diving underwater mechanics that are version locked

[finite totem]

We had regional bug exclusives before no?

[finite totem]

Champions this year

[opal gull]

i'm still waiting for explorers of sky remake

[vast fossil]

None mobile game

Also thats abit more niche

[robust wren]

Mystery Dungeon is dead and buried at this point sadly

[vast fossil]

Id love a mystery dungeon game

[normal zodiac]

Primal dialga go brrt

[opal gull]

inb4 primal origin dialga

[finite totem]

That sw2 mouse thing gives hope in Ranger remakes

[potent aspen]

this is reminding me of a fan region idea i had set in a post apocalyptic mad max style region in which the only types from the pre-apocalypse to have survived were poison, ground, and ghost, all other types having been morphed into something else (like grass becoming "rot" type, steel becoming "rust" type and normal becoming "ghoul" type) so the surviving ones became the most highly valued types in-universe. i should brainstorm that again it was fun

[vast fossil]

I kinda want them to use origin dialga instead but at the same time I like primal diagla

[normal zodiac]

So torterra would be a rot ground type

[opal gull]

I mean itd still be orange

[potent aspen]

hehe yes

[vast fossil]

Mega darkrai would make the post game story go so much harder

[opal gull]

he doesnt look very intimidating though

[vast fossil]

I disagree

[robust wren]

Mega Darkrai is just a fish

[vast fossil]

Its a giant eye. Thats terrifying

[opal gull]

also that fight was hard enough with cresellia dragging you down

[normal zodiac]

So golurk would be highly sought after?

Because it would have been double immune

[vast fossil]

I imagine the ai would be improved in the remake

[potent aspen]

yes! maybe used as some kind of sentry for guarding settlements

[vast fossil]

I know dxs was

[robust wren]

Mega Darkrai only looks like an eye from one angle. From all others it is 🐟

[normal zodiac]

Well I'd use one because well it's my favorite pokemon

[finite totem]

Welcome back protectrons

[opal gull]

idk if improved ai would help terribly it's at a tye dosadvamtage and such its just kinda a liability

[normal zodiac]

I would love to see a rusted aggron or a mutated galvantula

[vast fossil]

Cressila really should've been made fairy type

[normal zodiac]

Agreed

[vast fossil]

Same with celebi

[potent aspen]

you have impeccable tastes.

the starters for the region would be poison, ground, and ghost type too. kept safe in a bunker somewhere until you the player come along wanting to bring peace to the wastelands.

[vast fossil]

I mean its called the onion fairy

[normal zodiac]

How would you adapt bug or electric

[vast fossil]

But seriously the origin forms would make a sky remake so interesting?

They are just so wrong looking on purpose so it'd add to the wrongness of the situation

[normal zodiac]

It would be cool if it was a non mutaded version of the starter at first and as it goes the more exposure they receive the more they adapt to it

[potent aspen]

hang on i think i had all the types written down a while ago, let me look through my notes

[vast fossil]

I will always hate the community immediately putting those forms for being "wrong looking" like.. yes thats the point. This form is not natural for them!

[potent aspen]

oh i think electricity became "irradiated"

[normal zodiac]

Like maybe mudkip Bulbasaur and fuecoco as the starters

[normal zodiac]

Water becomes pollution

Oh god galarian weezing would be highly sought after as a counter

[potent aspen]

we should bring this to #other-pokemon-games lol

[normal zodiac]

Fair enough

[potent aspen]

even though it's not a game

i guess

[normal zodiac]

It's a possible fan game for the future

Though I had a thought about traversal

A fully customizable buggy

[quiet finch]

i fully expect Copperaj in the region

[normal zodiac]

Perhaps a regional variant

[unborn cave]

i want the grass starter to keep its same build but be big in the final evo

and irs like a bush

wnd its got a big beak

[finite totem]

I could see it getting a-exxegutor'ed

(alolan exeggutor is original one)

[normal zodiac]

Yeah

[opal fiber]

New Steel types

[last prism]

https://x.com/oj_ota_/status/2028123617800675793?s=46

0jota (@OJ_ota_)

Vi esse vídeo agr tô MUITO assustado pq eu consigo pegar a visão

X · Mar 1, 2026, 3:02 PM

Unfortunately I believe he may have cracked it cause this is the first one with a rock solid theme across all 3 of them

[undone sky]

Thatd be really cool if the region was.. you know. In Japan

[lime compass]

I tried predicting the shinies of the starters because i was bored… so this is what i think the shinies are gonna be

[jade flare]

i mean im sure the area has some sort of big art focus THAT STILL KEEPS POMBON ON 4 LEGS some sort of sumo look for browt

giving pombon fire fairy could work with an art theme seen as they gave sun and moons fairy specialist an artist character

[odd tapir]

It kinda bugs me that starters' secondary types don't always have the same type triangle relation. Makes it hard to predict evos in a new gen.

Though I do like the idea of all 3 gen 10s getting dragon as a secondary type like some people were thinking might happen.

[novel scarab]

Browt

[latent owl]

the grass type is a garuda

same with meowscarada and the animal inspiration

the fire starter is barong

[robust wren]

Reading up on Barong makes me feel it would probably be more of a legendary Pokémon than an evo for a starter.

[latent owl]

is a dog

[lyric stratus]

Maybe is

[latent owl]

and we already got zamazenta

[latent owl]

starters are uncommon too

[forest sable]

Go tell that to blueberry academy😭

[atomic summit]

I've seen this and I don't really want the birb to turn into a sumo wrestler because that probably means another grass/fighting starter

[forest egret]

There aren't a lot of good type triangles

[robust wren]

Sure, but having a starter evolve into basically the Balinese avatar of goodness feels like quite an escalation

[atomic summit]

Also this took a good laugh out of me

[forest egret]

If you wanted pokemon starters to have consistent secondary type triangles we'd just get the same types each gen

[robust wren]

Pattern seeking brain has people say the craziest things sometimes

[latent owl]

we got that type of inspirations on non legendary pokemon

[robust wren]

Also some of those triangles just involve the classic starter types, like Poison<ground<grass

[jade ocean]

Rock/Flying/Fighting is another one

But a lot of people have voiced their frustrations around Fighting starters

Which is a bit annoying since we actually have never gotten that specific trio

Even though it's one of the only perfect trios

Where every type involved resists and is SE against the type it beats

No immunities and neutral hits

[robust wren]

Fighting is in a lot of trios. Comes with the territory of hitting a lot of things hard while having a decent number of weaknesses. Fighting/Fairy/Steel is one I've seen a lot

[jade ocean]

Fighting doesn't resist Steel though so like

Immediate L

I guess if you Slap Fighting on either Water or Fire it doesn't really matter though

[wet crag]

Browt looks like caramel popcorn omg

[vast fossil]

Honestly id love for them to break the trio tradition at this point. It would unlock alot more potential for starter secondary types

Like would it make it abit unbalanced? Sure but thats why we catch other pokemon. To cover weaknesses

[jade ocean]

I wouldn't mind either ways

[robust wren]

I feel like the starter type trio is the way it is because it's the easiest to intuit, along with being a perfectly balanced trio unlike all the others. Grass absorbs water, water douses fire, fire burns grass. It's probably the absolute best way to introduce the 5-10 year olds the franchise is marketed towards the basics of type matchups, so I doubt it's changing anytime soon

[lime void]

If we wanted a perfect type triangle to replace the Grass/Fire/Water starter triangle, (perfect type triangle meaning that every type has to resist the type it’s strong against) then the only option that doesn’t repeat either Grass, Fire or Water is Fighting/Flying/Rock

[robust wren]

And considering how sick of fighting type starters a big chunk of fans are...

[lime void]

I mean, what’s more overused: Fighting or Grass Fire and Water

Plus you could combine fighting with literally any type that isn’t in either of the 2 triangles

[robust wren]

I feel like that kinda depends on your definition of "overused." Like yeah, the classic type triangle will have been seeing use for 31 years by the time WiWa are out, but as I descibed beforehand, the type trio is the way it is because it's a very easy type triangle to intuit. It's very much a sensible gameplay decision, so IMO calling it overused would be like calling target reticles in FPS games overused.

[forest egret]

Jumping is an overused mario mechanic

[karmic escarp]

Captain toad speech bubble

[forest egret]

I think from a design perspective it also makes sense to use the standard trio too

Think about it, grass, fire, and water are all pretty striking in terms of their colour and aesthetics

I just don't think a rock/flying/fighting trio would appeal to kids in the same way

I also think generally the grass/water/fire trio is relatively even in function, where as with the other trio, Fighting type generally fares better than the other 2

[quiet finch]

my idea for Australia was Gound, Poison, Grass triangle

[robust wren]

TBF Flying would fare about as well as Fighting if it had more good moves than just Brave Bird and sometimes Air Slash if the Pokémon is properly built to use it

[daring finch]

My friend keeps talking about a psychic dark fighting trio

[forest egret]

Dark/Grass Fire/Fighting Water/Psychic for the perfect trio to piss people off

[jade flare]

what could be fun, make browt a grass fire type
make pombon a fire water type
make gecqua a water grass type

[livid bobcat]

Pombon’s final evo better be a fire/ohio type

[robust wren]

We haven't had a Water/Psychic type starter yet at least

[forest egret]

Oh ik, it's not as bad as the other 2, it's just that water/psychic isn't an uncommon combo

[spare roost]

potential idea:
Grass/Dragon- Fire/Fairy- Water/Poison

[cedar zephyr]

Browt

[lyric stratus]

I can only think of Starmie and Bruxish

[forest egret]

Starmie
Slowpoke, Slowbro (and mega), and Slowking
Bruxish
Veluza

Oh wait, Staryu is just mono

[tepid flame]

My concept is simple

Grass/Steel, Fire/Fairy, Water/Dragon

It's not a perfect RPS but at least it's actually a new dual-typing that can be exciting instead of yet another Dark/Fighting/Fairy/Psychic quartet traded around

[flint sequoia]

Water/Poison looks kinda likely

[forest egret]

Water/Bug

[flint sequoia]

carcinisation

[forest egret]

Hell yeah, it slowly becomes more crab each evo

[digital wadi]

As someone who's picking the fire starter

[lime void]

The only psychic type starter was Delphox and the only Fairy starter (not counting megas) was Primarina

[digital wadi]

I'd like fire/fairy for the pupper

[lime void]

And there wasn’t even a fighting type starter in Gen 7

[lime void]

That’s what I thought for Sobble and look how that turned out 😞

[tepid flame]

Tbf at least they're all mono-types instead of the Unova nonsense

[lime void]

We already had a region with all pure typed starters. We REALLY didn’t need another one, especially since pure grass and pure water had already been used on 3 other starters

[tepid flame]

Given the choice I'd rather if they're doing pure type they're doing it on all of them rather than being an uneven split

Disgraceful that Emboar gets to be dual type while Serperior and Samurott is stuck being pure typed

[indigo mango]

Browt should be the first flying type bird starter

its a game about the winds come on

[cunning sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[indigo mango]

yeah...cause he def stays flying

[lime void]

I assume he meant fully evolved

[cunning sierra]

fair

I can see that possibly

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/what-what-are-you-talking-about-what-is-it-gif-18108971

[indigo mango]

Browt def will not be flying type right away. could be grass/ground. but he def seems to wanna fly so that is probably its story. stqaying ground type for 2 stages and then finally growing wings big enough to gain flying

[lime void]

And where are you getting this information

[indigo mango]

leaks and shit

[lime void]

?tag rule9

[rotund edge]

Make sure to follow the #rules!

Rule 9:
Spoilers / Leaks. Any announced information about upcoming games and media (including sprites, art, memes, or any reference new Pokémon or character designs) must be hidden under a spoiler, unless posted in the specific channel for that game for a minimum of 2 months after their release. Leaked information relevant to current and future games is no longer allowed on this server to ensure Nintendo doesn't disappear us.

[indigo mango]

i did bruh

oh that

i dont know if its leaks myself btf but i will remove it

[forest egret]

Leaks aren't allowed to be discussed at all anymore, yeah

I'm not sure what direction I want Browt to go, to be honest

[indigo mango]

also yeah it def was leaks lul. it litterly came from a very trusted source..but they are know for leaking lul. should have picked up on that

[forest egret]

It could be cool getting some sort of big grass eagle, or a big flightless bird with large legs

Or whatever flavour of funny dancing creature

[lime void]

I feel like Grass/Flying is too obvious, so they’re probably going to go for something else

[indigo mango]

i just want it flying type cause like bird..come on let it finally be a flying type bird lul. also it seems to really wanna fly with its animation having him use his tiny wings flapping when jumping

[indigo mango]

we never had a flying starter bird, it doesnt scream obvious

what would be obvious is making it non flying at all

only bird starter that did fly in the end still had its flying type removed

[lime void]

A bird being flying type is pretty obvious

[indigo mango]

not if it never happend

would be a genuine suprise

the gecko is probanly gonna be psychic, they already talk about it being smart in its description

[robust wren]

Here's how I see the 3 most likely secondary types for each starter, from 1st to 3rd
Browt: Flying, Ground, Fighting
Pombon: Fairy, Steel, Fighting
Gecqua: Poison, Psychic, Dark

Yes I know I put Fighting twice but they've used it a ton already and I don't put it past them to resort to it again

[daring finch]

I think if they made Qecqua a ghost type it would be cool

[robust wren]

Browt is described as clumsy and high energy, for what that's worth

Which makes me think Fighting even more

[indigo mango]

i cant see it staying grounded

[daring finch]

I saw a meme of it becoming the big bird from angry birds

[indigo mango]

at all, its a seed and a flightless bird, fits perfect for it wanting to sprout into a beautiful flying plant

[daring finch]

https://tenor.com/view/alexuyutov-angry-birds-movie-gif-7707167142331247749

[indigo mango]

before its eyebrows grow out into wings

[atomic summit]

I personally hope it's grass/rock

We haven't gotten a grass starter with this combo yet

Skill Link + bullet seed + rock blast, welcome back breloom

[grim trench]

https://x.com/bulbapedia/status/2028242321234440435?s=46

Bulbapedia (@Bulbapedia)

Now here's some interesting data. Some new faces joined the top page rankings last month!

Looks like it took no time at all for our newfound friends to capture our hearts.

Oh and don't worry, we didn't miss anyone - check the replies!

X · Mar 1, 2026, 10:53 PM

[cunning sierra]

BROWT SQUAD!

[tepid flame]

Gecqua not Top 6 😔

Just kidding idc GO MY ANGRY BLORBO BROWT

I'm surprised Garchomp is anywhere in the Top 6

Mega Garchomp-Z discourse goes hard it seems

[robust wren]

People still can't decide if Megachomp Z is good or not, based on what I've seen

I'm on team "it's borderline OP," mostly because I don't see the lack of Ground type as being as huge an issue as some make it out to be

Even if you wanna argue it doesn't have the best special movepool, it's still got the same attack with way more speed.

[desert current]

Yeah, the brand new starters suddenly got a ton of attention, who could have guessed? XD

[forest egret]

He's doing the chad pose

[stiff fulcrum]

Look what I did 🤣

His pose was just so gentlemanly I had to give him a suit

[opaque osprey]

Lycanroc fire type cousin

[velvet forum]

gecqua gang

[forest egret]

Limzar

[vague cloud]

something tells me lps is gonna turn poison when it grows up, if not dark

[forest egret]

I'm thinking Gecqua's gonna go psychic, but we'll see

Water/Dark would be a little sad since that's been used twice now

[velvet forum]

definitely gonna be water poison

[flint sequoia]

I can't wait for the mono-water lizard 2

[velvet forum]

Wont happen

[latent owl]

fuecoco is the goat

[velvet forum]

its literally called the fire mouse pokemon

[humble meteor]

That's a mouse?

[finite totem]

So which one?

[velvet forum]

i guess

[velvet forum]

incineroar

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/lesser-dog-undertale-gif-4834820

[forest egret]

And Blastoise is the Shellfish pokemon it doesn't mean anything

They call Bidoof a mouse too

[modest cave]

Zangoose is the Cat Ferret Pokémon

[wet crag]

https://www.instagram.com/reel/DVWgWFfj45L/?igsh=MXF3MDBwangxMGRoYQ==
This guy says fighting 😭 I can see that being dark too tho I love that evo tbh

hoopsvgm

Here’s what Browt could evolve into in Pokémon Winds and Waves!

Big shout out to @rgreywind for drawing the artwork of these designs!

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[lyric stratus]

There is actually a Shrew with spikes on its back
And shrews are kinda mice

[finite totem]

What are the chances it is normal?

[lyric stratus]

What if Gecqua becomes a Water/Poison or Water/Psychic type thats also based on a Reef, Marine Iguana and Monitor Lizard?

[finite totem]

Ghost, Pure or Fighting trust

[velvet forum]

or komodo dragon

With water poison

so far its descriptions give it this personality of almost like royalty and the komodo dragon is called the king of lizards

so perhaps it goes that direction

[odd tapir]

The description leans more towards psychic though, and a komodo dragon would be poison more likely. Until you remember hakamo-o is dragon fighting.

[velvet forum]

My theory is we are getting fire/fairy, water poison, grass/fighting

[velvet forum]

Although it says its intelligent that does not mean it would relate to a psychic type

also komodo dragons are highly intelligent

[odd tapir]

Well also going off the giant head.

[velvet forum]

Which is associated with geckos in general

[odd tapir]

But we'll see. For all we know it's a freakin bug type.

[velvet forum]

I hope it isnt psychic

that would mean we get a grass dark starter twice in a row

Or something

[odd tapir]

Secondary types aren't always a perfect triangle though.

[finite totem]

I mean we didnt have a bug starter before so that wouldnt be bad

[odd tapir]

I'll be picking browt or pombon anyway. I can't get over the littlest petshop-ness of gecqua.

[finite totem]

we dont fw grass types pombon it is fr

[odd tapir]

I definitely feel like browt will be a terror bird or something though which sounds amazing.

The angry leaf reminds me of toucannon's perpetual scowl. Might literally become the angriest of birds.

[lyric stratus]

What if its psychic and its Venom allows it to controll a pokemon with its mind

[velvet forum]

so a reverse ripoff of pecharunt?

[mystic fern]

How can something be reverse and also a rip off

[potent aspen]

just yesterday i saw someone do a speculative water/psychic final evo design based on a traditional dancer with a dress made from water, it was so cool. the tail was like a little veil that it held for the dance. i need to find that again

[lyric stratus]

Nice but sadly many would hate it

[eager flower]

why would a gecko be a bug type though? Anyway, not saying it's impossible but there have never been a pokémon who would evolve into being a bug type (Unless you count Bug Silvally I suppose). There have been an example of loosing a bug type upon evolution (Skorupi) but not the other way around.

[potent aspen]

you're NEVER going to please all pokémon fans lmao, it's the largest franchise with the largest playerbase. while yes, the games have been shit lately, even if Game Freak did a full 180 and made the next Breath of the Wild, a large group of people would still vocally hate it.

some people will absolutely despise winds/waves and some people will tote them as the saviour of the franchise, no matter the actual quality of the games

[lyric stratus]

Fair

[lyric stratus]

Tbf most bad things in the games came from to less time which wasnt game freaks fault

[odd tapir]

I wouldn't mind more spinoffs to fill the gaps if it meant mainline titles looked this good.

Though the last time Pokemon looked this good was a spinoff in New Pokemon Snap so what do I know

[potent aspen]

i get that, i'm not blaming them for crunch time or the fact Nintendo has refused to let them hire on more devs with more experience in 3D RPGs/open world games, but still.

[potent aspen]

the graphics and personality in New Pokémon Snap is everything i want from a mainline game

[odd tapir]

I loved New Snap, but it loses its appeal really quick once you learn the patterns of everything. Makes things feel less alive.

[potent aspen]

i guess, the replay value isn't great, but i think the original had the same issue. it probably just comes with the concept, unfortunately. there's only so many random chance events they can cram in.

also fuck the Volcarona duo lmao

i can't aim, i'm gay 😔 /j

oops tangent in the winds/waves room

[velvet forum]

what

[potent aspen]

a tangent, as in veering off topic. i've been slapped on the wrist for it before lol

[drowsy veldt]

The dog becomes humanoid and is fire/fighting.
-# jk, but I wouldn't be surprised with game freak.

[modest cave]

Please stand up Pombon it would be the funniest shit ever

[humble meteor]

Actually Pombon, lose two of your legs and sprout wings

It'd be hilarious

[odd tapir]

Even if someone didn't know about Undertale, I think they'd still love pombon just becoming Greater Dog

It's the only acceptable biped

[finite totem]

Actually pombon don't even grow wings and become an orb

[velvet forum]

Cant wait for pombon to evolve into something ugly just so i can laugh

[finite totem]

buff furry, ugly, furry

[humble meteor]

Fourth option, different animal for some reason, you never know

[potent aspen]

i'd love for it to become a Barong, since the region is based on Indonesian culture

[modest cave]

BARONG MENTION

[potent aspen]

give that good boy a big grin with sharp teef please

[modest cave]

https://tenor.com/view/barong-smt-shin-megami-tensei-gif-25088647

ALSO GIVE ME A RANGDA POKÉMON

[velvet forum]

not confirmed btw

[modest cave]

I mean we can have an Indonesian starter regardless

Didn't stop us from getting a French starter in Japan or a Chinese starter in America

[potent aspen]

i was just taking the word of the Indonesian/Southeast Asian people who said they recognised it lol

[modest cave]

Absolutely Fire/Fairy if Pombon evolves into Barong

[velvet forum]

It could literally be like any tropical area in the world

[potent aspen]

or a penguin in Japan djfjdjg

[velvet forum]

except for hawaii ofc

[potent aspen]

my source since i'm obviously not from SEA but i believe the people who are when they say they recognise the architecture

[modest cave]

I just want another starter that my SMT loving ass can point and pog at

[velvet forum]

Yet again

this same architecture can be seen in south america

or literally any tropical area

[robust wren]

The Pomeranian starter points towards SEA, cause it's one of the most popular pets of that region

[velvet forum]

It points towards the sea?

huh?

oh yeah south east america

yea i said that

[robust wren]

Also saying that all tropical areas have the same architecture is just a stupid claim. It's like saying that Canada and Russia have the same architecture because they're both in colder areas.

[robust wren]

SEA is southeast Asia

[vast fossil]

Honestly theirs usually one starter that doesnt fit the region its based on. Snivy for example is much more French because when fully evolved its the fleur de lis

And it seems pombon will be that starter.

Sometimes 2

[modest cave]

God yea just Barong Pokémon please

[robust wren]

Who's to say that that starter won't be Browt, the starter do many are immediately calling a Kakapo?

[vast fossil]

Also if it has to stand up please god do it in the second stage. Don't be another litten situation and gets people's hopes up and make it not look natural at all

Im waiting for the final evo for browt before deciding what it is. Pombon is just currently the most notable outlier

Browt is very much just a green bird. Id like it to be a kakapo but intill we know more im not gonna call it one

[potent aspen]

southeast asia 😭

[potent aspen]

IF THEY BAMBOOZLE ME ON THIS ISTG

it would be the worst rugpull of my life

[vast fossil]

I dont mind 2 legged starters. I just want the transition to look natural

Thats all I want.

If it has to stand up make it look like how the meowscarda line did it. Second stage immediately standing up or being able to walk both ways

[potent aspen]

i wouldn't even mind a Typhlosion situation where it's a facultative biped

like a bear

[vast fossil]

Thats the WORD!

I could not for the life of me remember

[potent aspen]

big bear dog who can both get down on all fours for a charge and rear up to beat you to death with its shovel-paws would be so good

[vast fossil]

Yeah but pombon has one big thing going against it. Its a fire type. The only fire starter thats actually stays on all fours all the time? Is skeledirge. 9 gens of fire types. And only 2 one of which does both. Has been on all 4s

Honestly i wouldn't mind it standing up. Id love another on all 4s fire type starter but tbh the most important thing to me a natural looking transition

[velvet forum]

no its not a stupid claim bc its based on the similarity of plant life and natural resources around the world in tropical areas

[jade ocean]

This is top 10 craziest messages I've ever seen

[robust wren]

"Similar" doesn't mean it's the same, nor does it mean that different cultures will come up with the same solutions for their problems

[velvet forum]

Its happened plenty of times

wow these look very different dude!

[robust wren]

Different types of wood and thatching, yes they're distinctive

[velvet forum]

its almost like they don’t have the same roof and foundation 😳

[velvet forum]

“thatching”

so they are both made out of thatch yes?

and a type of wood?

using wood as a foundation at the bottom ?

Wow thats insane

its almost like they are similar

[robust wren]

Oh no guys both houses re wood that makes them the literal same thing, literally no distinctions between them at all

[velvet forum]

also the one on the right is based in the carribean which almost looks exactly like the ones in the gen 10 trailer

😳

woah!

mind blowing

[potent aspen]

OOOO I LOVE THIS THEORY

what a soulful gentleman

[robust wren]

Mind blowing indeed, how different cultures have similar yet still very clearly visually distinct styles. Those support structures are very clearly differently set up, the construction of both was clearly handled differently, and they're made with different types of wood.

[velvet forum]

the point is it could be based on either 😳

[brisk night]

the browt speculation is fascinating, i honestly thought it would go in the cassowary direction
i guess that kinda toes the line btwn southeast asia and australia but it's just the vibe i got

(also i thought there was a leak some time ago that this gen was indeed based in SEA? ofc leaks aren't always correct yada yada but still)

[potent aspen]

i mean, i saw the titles Winds and Waves floating around for a few weeks before the titles were announced, so i assume at least some of the leaks are true

[frail lion]

People are speculating the dual typings on the starters but i havent seen anyone say just straight up Fire/Normal for Pombon when it evolves, the only fire/normal type in the series is the pyroar line which doesnt even have good base stats, and no starters ever has had a normal typing

[odd tapir]

why is the eagle sad?

[wet crag]

Seems likely that's tuff

[potent aspen]

deforestation ):

[lyric stratus]

I mean it can be all sorts of bird stuff

[robust wren]

Normal on a starter just sounds wrong

[lyric stratus]

Im pretty sure it becomes fairy out of many reasons
Second most likely ground

[viral night]

Fighting

[jade flare]

i quite liked pokedex fillers fire ice pombon evolution, makes 0 sense for the region but it looked cool

[forest sable]

If it’s based in the tropics

Is spheal still an option

Or do I have to go find a freezer to put a spheal in

[jade ocean]

Maybe a regional form?

There are tropical species of pinniped

But base Spheal is quite obviously not based on these species

[jade ocean]

(Notably, none exist in SEA, which is the most likely place thst the region is based on)

[forest sable]

Australia fur seal

[jade ocean]

Australia is not SEA

And according to Wikipedia, they're not usually found in SEA

[forest sable]

I thought it was a tropical region

[jade ocean]

That said, we have elephants in the UK

So this isn't really a restriction

Tropical Regional Spheal is a possibility

Even if technically if it is SEA then it shouldn't be there

Sure as hell more likely than getting elephants in the UK and we got just that

Or zebras in the US

[forest sable]

What region was in the UK

[jade ocean]

Galar

[forest sable]

Oh

[jade ocean]

And Copperajah

[forest sable]

Oh

So I might be able to use a full team of shiny spheals

[robust wren]

Hoenn is arguably a tropical region, so there's that

[undone sky]

Hoenn is based on Kyushu so its subtropical

[robust wren]

Looking back at Hoenn it was clear Gamefreak had no idea how to implement Ice types into a warm region. All the Ice type lines (of which there were only 2) just shoved away in a cave 6 badges in

[forest egret]

Gamefreak's pretty bad at ice type implementation in general

[amber monolith]

they had an ice type in a region about hawaii

[forest egret]

It's still the rarest type in the series and most regions only have a tiny section for snow and ice, if that

[robust wren]

Crazy how Ice has been here since gen 1 and is outnumbered by a type introduced halfway into the series life

[wintry hearth]

I really like Pombon

His dumb ahh face is majestic

[cunning sierra]

I'm really curious to see the final evo types. I feel like Fire/Steel for Pombon could go nuts

[vast fossil]

Well copperajah was stated as being imported in its pokedex so that is explained

[forest egret]

https://x.com/Jojomama38/status/2028606771116552380?s=20

Jojodoodles (@Jojomama38)

Dude I love this bird

X · Mar 2, 2026, 11:01 PM

[vast fossil]

"They came over from another region long ago and worked together with humans. Their green skin is resistant to water." Here's the sword pokedex entry

Also just checked. Indonesia does have an elephant species so maybe they are from this region?

Regional form copperajah sounds fun...

[lime void]

Considering that we don’t know where the region is based on, it doesn’t really matter what animals Indonesia has

[wintry hearth]

I really want a fire/fairy type for Pombon just because I think his final Evo will be inspired by painters. But fire still is cool

[lime void]

You mean that steel would be cool

[wintry hearth]

Yes yes

[cunning sierra]

I have an idea for Gecqua being Water/Psychic and having the Titi tattoo traditions that originate from the Mentawai Tribe in Indonesia

or Water/Ghost since the markings and tattoos represent the afterlife and are sometimes referred to as "spiritual make-up"

[velvet forum]

its most likely gonna be water poison

komodo dragons are huge in SEA

[tepid flame]

If there's like a few things we really are proud about in our nation it's definitely Komodo Dragon up there

Big ass monitor lizard boy (did you know it's actually a dwarf monitor lizard because it's peers are like demonstrably more gigantic than it)

[vast fossil]

Just because it may become a komodo dragon doesnt mean it'll be posion type. We have plenty of irl animals that dont have types that make perfect matchs. Like sillicobra

[vast fossil]

I think its gonna be psychic because its been described as smart. Interestingly enough teardrops seem to have a connection to Hinduism and Buddhism. Which is interesting.

[lime void]

Pombon if it's Fire/Fairy, otherwise Browt

[vast fossil]

I was curious if the teardrop was connected to anything spiritual and got that as a result.

Plus I dont think they'll make it a komodo dragon. I think they'd use that for the pseudo legendary

[robust wren]

I'm most interested in using Pombon cause it's a dog and we haven't had a dog starter yet, but the evo designs are absolutely going to be the determinitive factor

[vast fossil]

These guys have such base animal that they can become anything

[lime void]

(The last water lizard starter was a massive disappointment, so I don't want to pick Gecqua)

[vast fossil]

Like pombon can become so many other dog breeds. Browt can become so many other birds. And gecqua could become any lizard or amphibian.

[tepid flame]

Either way there's definitely gonna be a komodo dragon or it'll be a totally missed opportunity

[vast fossil]

Yeah their needs to be one.

[tepid flame]

I could see them mixing real world SEA animals with typical fantasy stuff too

If the pseudo legendary is gonna be a komodo dragon it can easily be a shoe-in as a Fire/Dragon because salamanders and stuff

[robust wren]

Pseudo Legends are usually based off of some mythological beast, so I feel like it's less likely to be the Komodo Dragon and more like Barong or Rangda or something else

[vast fossil]

These starters have so many things they could become and I've very excited for it

[tepid flame]

If they're adding bekantan monkey it might definitely become a tengu like Shiftry is a tree tengu

[robust wren]

I also just don't want the pseudo to be a dragon for the eighth generation in a row

Do something new, Gamefreak

[vast fossil]

Tbh honest I can see any other type taking a pseudo spot beside maybe fairy.

[tepid flame]

It's crazy how unique Gen 2 remains in this conversation

Still the only gen that decides the pseudo-legendary isn't a Dragon

Gen 3 is also technically unique since it's the only one with two of them but one of em's a Dragon still

[lime void]

Metagross: am I a joke to you?

[vast fossil]

We already have psychic and dark. Which is the other 2 types i can see being that powerful

[tepid flame]

They still have Salamence so like eh 50/50

[vast fossil]

... I think it would be really funny for it to be bug type tho

[tepid flame]

The fabled Bug/Dragon?????

[vast fossil]

Lol im thinking bug fairy

[tepid flame]

Bug/Fairy would be really funny

[vast fossil]

Mostly because bug needs something to help it

[robust wren]

Any type can be a Pseudo as long as the creature that has it is grandiose enough. I've even seen concepts for Bug Pseudos.

[tepid flame]

But I can only see it as at best like a Volcarona-tier mon

Not exactly pseudo just really big late-game mon

Yeah it's gotta be strikingly unique design and flavorwise too

[vast fossil]

I mean more themeing?

[tepid flame]

Only Dragonite isn't that unique but also it's Gen 1 and it's the only Dragon-line rep

[vast fossil]

Pseudo legendaries should be special and alot of the other types are very bog standard and naturally occurring

[tepid flame]

One could argue the fact that it's a fat cuddly ass dragon boy with small wings makes it unique tho

[vast fossil]

The closest a somewhat lol normal type pseudo we've got is slaking.

[robust wren]

Rocks are standard and naturally occurring, and we got Godzilla as a Rock Pseudo. It's not that big a stretch to make other types work if you're clever enough.

[vast fossil]

Which is something else entirely

Yeah but its paired with dark type

[robust wren]

Sea serpents would work fine as a Pseudo, and they can be types like Dark and Poison in addition to the obvious Water

[vast fossil]

Which is what I mean. If a normally occurring type is added then the other type should be fairy dragon dark or psychic... maybe fighting as well?

Fighting is a weird type to define.

[tepid flame]

But everything after that is like:
Tyranitar - Straight up just Godzilla, or a kaiju in general
Salamence - The perfect rep of the typical European myth dragon
Metagross - Big living supercomputer tank
Garchomp - Genuine landshark
Hydreigon - Evil bastard ass dragon (also another kaiju reference)
Goodra - Pure Dragon, gooey slimey sea-serpent like creature that's really living it up in the rain
Kommo-o - Scrappy fighting dragon with some mad aura (my favorite of all the pseudos so definitely a bias)
Dragapult - Undead jet carrier dragon shooting its dead babies to its enemies
Baxcalibur - Glacier fast ass dinosaur dragon (oh look another kaiju too)

Every one of them (except Dragonite) brings a unique conceit to the table even if they're dragons imo

[vast fossil]

Honestly id love a mammal pseudo legend

[tepid flame]

I would also say even though Fire/Dragon may seem passe we really don't have like a true blue normal Fire/Dragon pokemon

[vast fossil]

They are all lizards. Except metagross which im not even gonna try and define

[tepid flame]

Like Turtonator just doesn't have that vibe

[vast fossil]

I think turtonator is neat

[tepid flame]

And then you're left with like a box art pokemon, a mega form?

It's neat it just doesn't hit that typical fantasy of Fire/Dragon

[vast fossil]

Its nice to have not scary looking dragons

Poor it tho. Drampa got a mega while it has nothing

... you know what pokemon i want to get an evolution tho?

Jinx.

She should have a third stage with her brothers

[lime void]

I wasn’t aware that snails were lizards

[tepid flame]

It's way too long since she's a part of them tbh she's just a duo with Mr. Mime now

[vast fossil]

Goodra is a snail lizard

Mr mime has gotten more than she has

A regional and an evolution

[tepid flame]

Got it regional Jynx form with its own region-exclusive evo

(God I hate region-exclusive evos)

[vast fossil]

Honestly give her something and I'll be happy

[tepid flame]

Yeah Gamefreak that's nice I'm so glad you guys are just giving mons this specific one strong form for only this region and nothing else that's fine yeah sure

I didn't need Farfetch'd to actually be good or anything

[vast fossil]

I dont mind them. I just wish the og version also got a evo of as well

[tepid flame]

Yeah but they never do

And then they stole the spot that could've been either new mons or actual new evos

[vast fossil]

I have a very big hatred of mega evolution for one big reason

Sableye and mawile deserve actual evos

[tepid flame]

I hope they're continuing actual cross evos like Gen 9 god dude they're so good

[robust wren]

I'm still upset that Ferfetch'd evo from the GSC leaks never became a thing

[vast fossil]

I dont mind pokemon like hawlucha and drampa getting them. Those already have good base stats.

But mawile and sableye do not have the stats to back their decent typing up

And I dont want mega evolution every game. Its a boring gimmick

[lime void]

I don’t mind when it’s one that replaces the normal evo, like Clodsire for example, but if the Pokémon is weak enough to evolve, then it should just evolve

[vast fossil]

And extremely exclusive for pokemon

[tepid flame]

Well yeah because Quagsire exists in conjunction with Clodsire that's fine

I don't mind Runerigus either on that department (I mean I do mind it's the stupidest Sierra-tier puzzle ass evo method they ever do but it's fine it's at least not stealing anyone's evo potential)

[vast fossil]

So did anyone else notice the clouds in the trailer

[robust wren]

We need more convergent lines and of some non-gen 1 mons

[robust wren]

The "Gyarados" cloud?

[vast fossil]

They usually use gen 1 as the tests for how people like the gimmick I've noticed

No the cloud at the end of the trailer

It had a slightly different shape on each version.

Waves was smoother and winds was jagged

This

And this

I didn't notice them intill watching yters

Of course these could be nothing but still

[grim trench]

https://tenor.com/syLxbRqDerg.gif

[robust wren]

Yeah that was the "Gyarados" cloud I was talking about

It's been a big source of speculation

[grim trench]

You know what that cloud reminds me of?

https://tenor.com/c5gj6kH5dju.gif

[vast fossil]

Its clearly not a gyarados I dont know why people call it that

Drampa!

It does look like him. Hmm maybe its the gimmick of the region?

[lime void]

I doubt it

[grim trench]

Someone ping me if there's more pombon art

[vast fossil]

Honestly as long as the gimmick continues the trend of everyone can use it. I'll be happy. Its why I dislike megas. They are too targeted for my taste

Speaking of the gimmick. We may have the symbol already. It was just only on the japanese logo for some reason

[strange remnant]

that's a handakuten to say it's "po" without dakuten it means "ho"

[vast fossil]

Which means what exactly?

[cunning sierra]

It might be a teaser for the Legendary. I made a comment that the Legendaries are the Tambanokano and the Bukanawa from Filipino mythology

Tambanokano for Waves, Bukanawa for Winds

[vast fossil]

Crab and snek

Neat

[strange remnant]

it's write "pokettomonsta-"

without handakuten it means hokettomonsta-

[vast fossil]

So it just says pokemon in a different way?

[strange remnant]

the handakuten here is just a design I think

ホ= ho

ポ= po

[indigo mango]

ye it changed form during it. first was when looking at the sky and second when we went into the water. my guess is this time there will be only 1 legendary and it can change between being a cloud and turning into water. and you get either form depending on the game and maybe unlock the other form postgame

[strange remnant]

but maybe the choice of design means something

[strange remnant]

yes

in japanese they say pocketmonster

[vast fossil]

I do mean the little pokeball symbol on top. Not the kanji.... thats called Kanji right?

[strange remnant]

it's katakana

hiragana or katakana = alphabet

kanji = hieroglyph (to stay simple)

[vast fossil]

Ive always seen it referred to as kanji before this. I mean i always assumed people from Japan called it something different. Nice to know the words they use

[strange remnant]

they use 3 of them

[vast fossil]

Languages are fun.

[strange remnant]

yeah

[vast fossil]

Especially written

[strange remnant]

ポケットモンスター

[robust wren]

This server is the only place I've seen more hype for Gequa than for Pombon

Browt is consistently last place though, which is unfortunate but I kinda see how it got that way

[drowsy veldt]

I am more of waiting to see final forms before I say which starter I like

[robust wren]

Regardless of how they end up, Pombon is probably a permanent resident of my top 10 favorite 1st stage starters. I can only hope the evos continue to be appealing

I'm honestly just pleasantly surprised the Browt fans haven't been pulling the Oshawott/Froakie/Popplio fan card of constantly making art of it crying about not having initial popularity

As much as I enjoy Oshawott and Popplio, that trend of art really annoyed me

[devout bough]

We're getting an electric type legendary trust

[main gyro]

[jade ocean]

Browt
1: 5
2: 6
3: 18
4: 7
5: 12
Total score: 159/240 (48 votes)
Mean score per vote: 3.3125
Pombon
1: 3
2: 1
3: 13
4: 14
5: 16
Total score: 180/235 (47 votes)
Mean score per vote: ~3.8298
Gecqua
1: 3
2: 5
3: 11
4: 9
5: 20
Total Score: 182/235 (47 votes)
Mean score per vote: ~3.8723

This is the main server that I had the polls in evidently

But another server I held it in had a major effect on Browt's score in particular, with it being by far the most popular starter there

[forest egret]

Limzar

[vernal anchor]

“Bean chick Pokémon” fits Browt so well

[velvet forum]

lizard

[forest egret]

Woaw. Lizard

[void plover]

that's a cool lizard

[velvet forum]

Gecqua has already turned into one of my favorite starters and i dont even care if it turns zesty like people say

https://tenor.com/view/gekko-gecko-jump-animal-jump-jumping-gif-16141170250854615488

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[royal dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/browt-browt-pokemon-pokemon-browt-gif-12995515282894893788

[amber monolith]

zamazenta better

[drowsy veldt]

Lugia spends most of its time underwater.
The game is pokemon waves.
Hmmmmm. 🤔
-# I doubt it is a Lugia for main legendary

[amber monolith]

it’s true tho

Lugia is the box legendary for Waves, Tornadus is the box legendary for Winds

trust my source

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[unborn kelp]

The real answer is that we're only getting 1 box legendary and that's mega pelipper

[velvet forum]

Hopefully they release mega torchic in this gen

[fickle birch]

Starting a rough WIP on the Smogon sprite for Browt. 😄

[cunning sierra]

Crazy theory time: the starters are represented through the brothers in the story Ibong Adarna and their dex entries fit pretty well to each brother:
The story of Ibong Adarna. Three brothers sent to catch a bird that can cure their terminally sick father.

Gecqua
"Gecqua is very intelligent and maneuvers shrewdly while putting on airs (a way of being prideful and pretentious)
Don Pedro - The first brother. Prideful bur clumsy and fell asleep due to the songs sung by Ibong Adarna.

Browt
"It’s lively, but it can also be a bit clumsy."
Don Diego - The second brother Tried to be more careful but failed the same as his brother.

Pombun
"This Pokémon is guileless and friendly."
Don Juan - The third brother. Successful and becomes king

[unborn cave]

i like browt

[lyric stratus]

Why that story?
Where is it from

[bitter adder]

pokemon becoming one of those greninja torture gane

game

[cunning sierra]

Filipino folktales. I only say that because the dex entries for the starters match the personality aspects of each brother

[lyric stratus]

They have dex entrys?

[cunning sierra]

Yep

[little nacelle]

HOLY SHIT...

[opaque osprey]

Browt:
This Pokémon runs about energetically while photosynthesising using the leaves on its brow. It’s lively, but it can also be a bit clumsy.

Pombon:
The area below its throat glows faintly from the heat-generating organ within its lungs. This Pokémon is guileless and friendly.

Gecqua
This Pokémon launches springy balls of water from its tail. Gecqua is very intelligent and maneuvers shrewdly while putting on airs?.

[lyric stratus]

Where did you guys find that?

[velvet forum]

I dont think the descriptions match

i think gecqua will become royalty somehow

if it goes the komodo dragon route the komodo dragon is called the king of lizards

and if we really are in SEA then its definitely goinf to go that route

[opaque osprey]

I find it on serebii

[lyric stratus]

I dont find shit

[forest egret]

They're not actual dex entries, but the site has descriptions of each pokemon

https://windswaves.pokemon.com/en-us/

Given how they're worded though I imagine these probably will be their entries once the game comes out

[cunning sierra]

Worth a shot I guess

[opaque osprey]

https://www.serebii.net/windswaves/pokemon.shtml

[lyric stratus]

oh good
Thought we got official stuff

[radiant pollen]

Adorable

[opal gull]

https://tenor.com/view/may-torchic-pokemon-buff-gains-gif-9412017531290124107

@unique karma

[velvet forum]

bok

[covert lantern]

what do you think the evil team will be

[amber monolith]

something with rocks?

[velvet forum]

What if its like

Team Storm

[covert lantern]

i think it will be team sky or something

[velvet forum]

we alr have that

[covert lantern]

where

there is a fan made team called team sky but not official

[cunning sierra]

Maybe a disaster relief team? It'd effect both the sky and sea depending on what's being dealt with

Winds could tackle air pollution and Waves could be something like water pollution or harmful chemicals in the wild

[noble ice]

All right, let’s be real for a second.

Once Gen Ten comes out, which starter are you guys choosing?

[hazy knot]

pombon the GOAT.

[robust wren]

I've wanted a dog starter since day one

[serene axle]

Gecqua

[noble ice]

As much as I wanna go Pombon I always go for the water type so I think I’m gonna go for Gecqua

[mystic fern]

Ok ladies, gents and the distinguished non-binary

What's your prediction on the dumb gimmick they are doing this gen

[tepid flame]

I can't play Gen 10 but if I could Browt

No other questions necessary

[modest cave]

What if the gimmick is that there is no gimmick

[tired drum]

Either Browt or Gecqua, still waffling between the two

Yea can't play it either probably, can't see myself getting a NS2 anytime soon

[lyric stratus]

Some people who want to make the region into a vacay resort destroying its fauna and natural beauty

[forest egret]

https://x.com/remonasour/status/2029023852097901050

Remon ✨Comms open✨ (@remonasour)

browts 🐣

X · Mar 4, 2026, 2:39 AM

[tepid flame]

Yeah boy

My Angry Browts

[forest egret]

Fanart has endeared me a little more to this guy than my first impression

I still like the gecko the most though

Not buying a Switch 2 rn though lol fuck that, just to play pokemon? My old one's already collecting dust

[tepid flame]

Nintendo and their neverending quest to stamp out emulators for their consoles, will it win

[finite totem]

Game freak if we get a sort of hm please let gecqua learn it

[autumn shore]

Browt = reference to angry birds
Pombon = that doge meme of it's face on a body builder or a reference to undertale when you fight this fat bulky Knight with a dog face
Gecqua = bootleg version of sobble/drizzile

[undone sky]

I always feel bad for choosing the most popular one but fuck that. Pombon my goat

[forest egret]

Dogy

[finite totem]

Please don't be an official collab browt 😭🙏

(because it managed to get attention from actual company too)

Art isn't official but acc is

[forest egret]

Collab with Rovio to make negative 1 million dollars

[fickle birch]

The Browt progress continues. 😄

[shrewd pawn]

Pokopia tomorrow

Splendid

[finite totem]

Was there pokopia for switch 1

[scenic finch]

Sadly no

[sweet sentinel]

I’m gonna wait to see their final evos, as of now I might choose pombon

[tepid flame]

Would you say

Your Browtgress continues?

[shrewd pawn]

That was fowl

[vast fossil]

Ok I gotta ask. Does anyone associate cassowarys with Australia? Because someone seems convinced that since this is likely an Indonesia based region then browt cant be a cassowary because its not based on Australia. But I've always associated Australia with emus because of the war they went to with the things

[robust wren]

We had elephants in Britian and koalas in Hawaii

And a panda in France

[vast fossil]

Lol true im mostly just wondering if anyone associated cassowarys with Australia because I sure dont. I didn't even know they were native. I just assumed tropical.

Its one of the bird species that I never had a set country i associated it with

[robust wren]

Cassowaries are regularly associated with Australia and are also native both there and New Guinea

Australia is most infamous for its dangerous wildlife, so a bird that can disembowl with a kick is pretty regularly in the conversation

New Guinea is pretty close to Indonesia too IIRC, so a cassowary in a region based on it isn't the absolute biggest stretch

[vast fossil]

True. I just never associated it with because well... Australia has one large bird it went to war with and loss. And it wasnt the cassowary.

[tepid flame]

Cassowaries are more associated with Australia yeah but they are generally found in the Pacific Islands and SEA

[normal zodiac]

Honestly even after the love golisopod got in za I want them in this

[robust wren]

I've seen a concept for a Cassowary Mon that's a regional variant of Espathra that's Dark type with Moxie and Power Trip as a more balanced version of what Espathra is in SV

[cosmic path]

What stat are we getting from each starter? Im thinking cute for pombon, Beauty with a little cute for qecaqua, and tough/cute for Browt

[lime void]

I don’t know what you mean by getting the stat, but considering contests are most likely not going to be in winds and waves the question is irrelevant to begin with

[cosmic path]

I mean how do you view them. Do you think they look cute,tough,cool,beautiful or clever?

More of what vibe do they give off

[finite totem]

Browt is definitely tough and Gecqua is beauty.

Pom is one of those that I didn't assign to other 2

[cosmic path]

Pombon is giving cute. The question is, do you think they will keep those when they evolve?

[violet pollen]

please pombon

for all that is holy

stay on those four legs

[finite totem]

Browt please stay on those 2 legs

I don't want that to fly

[maiden ocean]

I want Gecqua to stay on 4 legs too. I'm tired of pokemon having PocketFURRIES instead of PocketMONSTERS. though, I guess in Gecqua's case it would not be a furry but a scalie.

[robust wren]

Gequa is already on 2 legs, but at the very least I hope it isn't too anthropomorphized

[maiden ocean]

it seems to be roughly like Sceledirge... maybe. Like, stay on 4 most of the time and maybe rear up on the hind legs for certain attacks.

like sceledirge with it's signature move

[finite totem]

It is definitely going to be like a gen 9 starter

But will it be ugly furry, duck furry or skeledirge

[maiden ocean]

"ugly furry, duck furry" those are the same picture lol. Quacaval was an absolute affront. I'm usually a water type starter kind of guy but damn... I haven't picked a water starter since Gen 6. Past 3 gens of water starters have been dog shit (imho, all power to you if you think otherwise).

[shut marsh]

I mean Intentleon wasn't that bad. Still compared to the rest, it could have been better.

[robust wren]

The more I think about the Gen 8 starters, the less I like any of them

I saw a post on how the three 1st stage starters have basically the exact same body plan with little variation between them and that was pretty much the killing blow to any positivity I had left of them

[vernal anchor]

Got bored

[unborn cave]

make those emojis

those are so beautiful

i love thhem

Pelican

[forest egret]

They are still monsters

Why does being on two legs not make a pokemon a monster? It's arguably moreso than a quadruped

Spot the monster

[jade ocean]

Y'know it feels strange to me how many furry haters there are in the Pokemon fanbase

[forest egret]

I honestly don't care how many legs the starters stand on. I do think variety is nice, though - I think they could mix more quadrupeds in - but like, it doesn't inherently ruin the design of the pokemon itself, not how it walks

Quaquaval was my favourite of the 3 last gen even though we did get a quadruped out of the trio

If all 3 of these new starters end up on two legs, that's seriously not a big deal. There's more to judge a design on than just that aspect

[robust wren]

I for one don't hate furries. I just think that the starters being anthropomorphized into Zootopia characters each gen has gotten stale and they should mix things up

[cosmic path]

Maybe it's that they aern't "Wild" enough. While the new starters have been good, the final evolutions feel less like "beasts".

[summer flare]

agreed on wanting the dog to stay a quadruped for once instead of becoming yet another anthropomorphic humanoid, Incin grew on me from memes and the VGC nightmare it became but I recall the collective despair when that cat became yet another furrybait pokemon
there are very few circumstances where I might appreciate a bipedal Pombon final evo, but I have this sinking feeling it's going to be another guy-in-fursuit mon

now that I looked up a bit and realized my next point I wanted to worry about wasn't really as big of a problem as I expected, I pose another issue: please do not give us another Fire/Fighting

[robust wren]

I'm down for letting the Fighting type in general stay out of the starter trio for a bit. As far as I'm aware, it's the single most common secondary type on a starter

[lime void]

Starters without a secondary type are almost twice as common

[robust wren]

Even still, out of the 11 game groups with distinct starter trios, Fighting has been in 7 of them- Hoenn, Sinnoh, Unova, Kalos, Hisui, Paldea, ZA

And if we don't wanna count ZA, it's still 6 out of 10

There have been more games with Fighting starters than without

[summer flare]

even without either legends game, 5/9 is still proof of point

also apparently the only fire/fighting pokemon that isn't a starter is a tauros variant, which isn't even a thing on its own

also for a hot minute now, Dark has been thrown into the overused second typing pool
like I get that there aren't too many type triangles that can exist without interfering with fire/water/grass, but c'mon

[pallid lark]

we all agree browt the goat right

[summer flare]

Would prefer the dog to remain legible as an animal(not a humanoid), and to hopefully not have an overused second type
forgot to hit send

i like browt, my initial thought was owl but i don't think they'd use the same animal so soon

[robust wren]

Browt doesn't interest me that much RN but that can all change

[covert lantern]

i think Browt is a kiwi so the region will be based on New Zeland

[cunning sierra]

I still am pulling for Browt to be a proper Peacock Pokemon

[covert lantern]

maybe, if then where do you think the region is based apon

[cunning sierra]

a lot of people think it's Indonesia / Southeast Asia and I'm on that wagon 100% because of the multiple islands and overall island vibe and because of a theory I've talked about multiple times here about the possible legendaries

[maiden ocean]

The region is very clearly based the Indonesian ocean area. So, top most section of Australia, Indonesia, New Guinea... other countries in that area... the Philippines maybe?

[covert lantern]

i asked the same question yesterday but what do you think the evil team will be

[lime void]

I don’t think Browt has peacock vibes personally, but it’d be cool to see a peacock mon

[cunning sierra]

someone did draw a concept of it being a Cassowary which would go hard

I only say a Peacock because the design potential could be insanely creative

[covert lantern]

i do agree that a peacock pokemon would be cool and you could do many creative things with the design

[robust wren]

Browt as is just feels like too generic of a bird to pin it to any species exactly. It could be anything, but I do in general hope it leans towards being a ratite

[vast fossil]

I mean we just got a peacock esque starter in Quaquaval. Like its tail is pretty clearly peacock.

He's a peacock duck. Which is an interesting combination.

Id like browt to be a grumpy line. It feels like its been awhile since we got a grumpy starter

[robust wren]

In regards to Pombon, I actually feel a lot more secure about it keeping on 4 legs than most people do. We haven't had a 2 legged dog Pokémon since Granbull and in general I feel like there's more interesting directions the design can be taken if it remains quadrupedal

[vast fossil]

Slurpuff

Thats a dog

Granted it didn't even have legs before so I really wouldn't count it as standing up lol

[covert lantern]

i think pombon will become bipedal

[vast fossil]

This is the dog slurpuff is likely based on

[maiden ocean]

Maybe... but the Pokémon company never passes up a chance to furrybait. Like, i have no issues with people being furries... i just would rather pokemon to read as the pets/monsters they are supposed to be. I just find it weird to have Pokémon like inceneroar, which reads to me like a russian wrestler, as a pet... feels like I'm keeping slaves.

[vast fossil]

Bichon Frisés

[cunning sierra]

I really want a big St. Bernard for Pombon

[vast fossil]

I dont know if that breed would fit in the tropics. Much less a fire type. I see those more ice type coded

[maiden ocean]

Give me a Tibetan mastiff instead, matches the more asian region better.

[cunning sierra]

the little keg could heat berry juices or something and maybe its Fire/Ice since they're rescue dogs?

[vast fossil]

We just got a mastiff pokemon

[covert lantern]

true

i tihink it is a pomeranian so it will just become more fluffy over time

[maiden ocean]

Fair, but there are many breeds of mastiff.

[maiden ocean]

Tibetan mastiffs are ridiculously fluffy.

And they are huge.

[vast fossil]

This is the only Indonesia dog breed a search would bring up.

[covert lantern]

yes very fluffy

[vast fossil]

Which is cute

[maiden ocean]

Yeah, it also feels a little bland though.

[vast fossil]

Kintamani

They'll probably mix with something else tho if they used it

[maiden ocean]

They'll need to add a lot of elements to make it feel different from Lycanroc

[vast fossil]

Starters are usually a mix of animals

Lycanroc is a wolf

This very much is not

[maiden ocean]

And you're saying this thing isn't wolf-like? It's sleek. Built for speed. Same tall ears. The snout is what pulls away from wolf.

[vast fossil]

Wolf's are bulky.

Also the tail is short and curled

[maiden ocean]

wolves from asia are not.

[vast fossil]

This dog looks nothing like a wolf.

[maiden ocean]

Agree to disagree.

Central asian grey wolf.

It's obviously not exactly the same. But, with minor tweeks here and there, it's close.

[vast fossil]

For someone who's name has wolf in it your not very good at telling apart a domestic dog from a wolf.

Nothing looks remotely similar besides the basic canid build.

Which pretty much all canids have

Mostly some can be weird but every genis can have its outliers

[maiden ocean]

First off, my handle comes from 2 Metallica songs. Second, I already agreed to disagree. Third, all domestic dogs are the same scientific species (Canis Familiaris) which was selectively bred to be the way they are (so they aren't even technically a product of nature, they are a human-engineered species) and the closest natural thing they are related to is Canis Lupus, the wolf.

[undone sky]

This fella don't look even remotely like a wolf what r u guys talking abt

[verbal plaza]

Windy

[tender yew]

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[robust wren]

The whole "this dog looks like a wolf" conversation above just makes me think about that YouTube short comparing a wolfdog to a husky.

[slender mesa]

Where u guys think gen10 is based

?

[modest cave]

I've been seeing a lot of Indonesia

Which please please please let that be the case

Give me my Barong and Rangda Pokémon

[tepid flame]

Also if they load it with way more queer characters/queercoding than before that'd be great too

[modest cave]

Had typings in my head for a Barong and Rangda mon tbh

Pure Fairy for Barong and Poison/Dragon for Rangda

They're in an endless battle mythologically so I feel the Rangda mon having types that are both weak and resistant to Barong's would be fun symbolism

[lyric stratus]

Indonesia is likely looking at what we saw till now

[daring finch]

I saw speculation for gecqua being a fortune teller

[velvet forum]

literally any tropical area in the world

[daring finch]

I think it was Indonesia

[velvet forum]

Nothing is confirmed but yeah could be

[daring finch]

I hope we can throw torchic in the volcano

[velvet forum]

😡

I hope somehow its italy

[daring finch]

I hope every pokemon will get a cool gimmick except torchic

[velvet forum]

Why

[daring finch]

cuz

he dont deserve it

[velvet forum]

he does

[daring finch]

but what do you think of gecqua turning into fortune teller?

[velvet forum]

Definitely a stretch

[lyric stratus]

Italy deserves something more italy themed

[velvet forum]

Real

[daring finch]

it kinda has that vibe

[lyric stratus]

I can see it

[velvet forum]

I can see it turning into something to do with royalty

[daring finch]

its also known it can make balls of water

[lyric stratus]

But yeah considering tropical islands, the selected mons we saw in the trailer and the windmills I say def indonesia

[velvet forum]

I mean

that can literally be anywhere tho

[lyric stratus]

Yeah but Pokemon is actually good in theming stuff

Even if some dont want to admit it

[velvet forum]

Yeah but it could literally be anything from indonesia to the galapagos to new zealand to just some random islands

we dont know

could even be another japanese region and they went the okinawa route

[lyric stratus]

But again what we saw is pretty indonesia themed

[velvet forum]

and before anyone says “oh but the starters point to indonesia”

what about alola

i dont remember there being seals and tigers in hawaii?

[lyric stratus]

There are seals in hawaii

Litten is a lil out of place but just animal wise

[velvet forum]

still no tigers

So the best conclusion is that we just wait and see what pokemon says lol

bc you can make an arguement for any tropical region on the planet for those starters

[lyric stratus]

But Incineroar is Hawaii themed in all other aspects

Why are you so against it?

[velvet forum]

bc its illogical to assume

[velvet forum]

and hows that?

i didnt know hawaii was known for tiger wrestling

[lyric stratus]

Yeah but why?
So Kalos could have been africa cuz of Litleo?

[velvet forum]

Bc gen 10 could literally be anywhere

[lyric stratus]

Galar is Inda cuz of Copperaja

[velvet forum]

just like how people swore paldea was portugal

but really it was more spain esque

[lyric stratus]

People always said its spain and portugal

[daring finch]

whats the real difference anyways

[lyric stratus]

A good example is gen 10 having quiet some things related to the Netherlands but its also coming from the influence the Dutch had to Indonesia

[velvet forum]

How can we infer it’s indonesia from a 20 second trailer

when it has elements of any tropical area ever

[daring finch]

Nah as a Dutch person that is just how our country looks like

[lyric stratus]

Way more than 20 sec

[velvet forum]

my bad it was like 30

lol

[daring finch]

Pombon needs to be bipedal just to piss off people

[velvet forum]

I usually love fire starters but pombon is ugly to me idk why

[lyric stratus]

Cuz it doesnt have just tropical island stuff but all sorts of stuff pointing to indonesia like the connection to the dutch.
Even the pokemon they decided to show fitted indonesia like Vileplume line and Tropius

[velvet forum]

What stuff points to the connection of the dutch

[daring finch]

Colonisation

you being a white guy

[velvet forum]

huh?

[lyric stratus]

Windmills
A pomeranian starter
Etc

They dont put random stuff in a region and call it a day

[daring finch]

paldea has windmills

[lyric stratus]

Spain had stuff to do with the dutch too

[velvet forum]

Central america and the carribean use windmills

[daring finch]

I didnt see no pirates

[lyric stratus]

Are they known for windmills?

[velvet forum]

which pomeranians also are popular in

[daring finch]

Arent the carribean also ex dutch

[lyric stratus]

Pomeranians are a european breed

[lyric stratus]

Werent the Caribbean also dutch territory once

[velvet forum]

Yeah

[lyric stratus]

Hmmm I wonder where the amount windmills cone from then...

[velvet forum]

this could 100% be the carribean

[lyric stratus]

You know I would send a vid that explains why it has to be Indonesia but it shows stuff thats not allowed here

[velvet forum]

Like i said nothing is confirmed so the only thing we can do is speculate

[lyric stratus]

But you straight up dissagree on everything and say nuh uh cant be

[velvet forum]

Did i not say it could be indonesia?

[lyric stratus]

I rather mean every evidence you try to disprove

[fickle birch]

My sister has a Bichon/Pomeranian mix and I've never once thought of Slurpuff as a Bichon until now. 😮

[forest egret]

I never got the impression that Slurpuff was any one type of dog

He always seemed more like the abstract idea of what a dog is

[forest egret]

I'm seeing a lot of people both here and on twitter want him to just turn into Arcanine 2

[quiet minnow]

what's the starter theme this time

[forest egret]

People are still kinda trying to guess at it

We'll never know for sure until we see the final evos

Usually that's when it becomes clear for the others too

[quiet minnow]

I feel like they're just domestic animals lmao

[forest egret]

Ehhh. Geckos are popular pets, but the one commonly refered to as a "Domestic" isn't the species that Gecqua seemingly is. I also don't really know what Browt is supposed to be

He's a bird chick of course, but for what bird

[quiet minnow]

I feel it's a chicken

[forest egret]

He could be

[quiet minnow]

Or some grumpy eagle

[forest egret]

Eagle's what I'm thinking

Indonesia has an Eagle for it's coat of arms, and so if this region actually is indonesia based then I suppose that'd fit wouldn't it

It's a funky looking Eagle they got there too

[fickle birch]

Same here, though I guess the candy floss texture is actually somewhat close to a Bichon's fur. 😅

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[fickle birch]

Avocado-headed eagle, calling it now. 😛

[velvet forum]

its gonna be an owl i think

https://tenor.com/view/head-turn-mickey-mouse-funhouse-turn-around-staring-at-you-horned-owl-gif-25889843

the plant will turn into that

[fickle birch]

We already had a plant owl that then became a second plant owl in Legends... 😅

[velvet forum]

and we have 3 fire fighting starters so it isnt crazy to assume 💀

[tepid flame]

We do love ourselves some Garudas

If there's a few things we can still be proud of on this godforsaken nation it's our natural habitat and food

[fickle birch]

One is a chicken, one's a monkey, and the other's a pig. If they were all chickens, you'd have a point. 😂

[tepid flame]

Really can't recommend enough to people in general to take a trip here and visit the wilderness it's all very pretty

[velvet forum]

trip where

[fickle birch]

Indonesia was already number 1 on my list now I've crossed some of the other countries off, then I found out the new Pokémon game was based there. 😂

[velvet forum]

heavily implied yet no confirmation guys

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-pokemon-winds-and-waves-gen-10-starters-gecqua-gif-1590094039370155758

[fickle birch]

I mean the main suspicions were South East Asia or Greece, and none of the trailer really made me feel like Greece was the vibe. 😅

[velvet forum]

first rumor actually speculated indonesia or central america

[fickle birch]

We'd have seen some kind of Santorini-esque structure if it was Greece, I'd imagine. 😅

[tepid flame]

Either way it's archipelagic in shape and nature so at the very least it will incorporate a lot of Oceania, SEA or Southeast Europe in general

It's not like this region is gonna be fully Indonesian otherwise it'd be weird

Unova isn't exactly fully New York or even American

[velvet forum]

alola might exactly be hawaii

[finite totem]

yeah like why is it free to use pokecenters?

so unrealistic

[finite totem]

it kinda looks too islandish for greece/italy tbh

do they have a lot of islands, yes. Is that where most stuff there is? no.

(also they might want to avoid politics with aegean islands & dodecanese too)

[wet crag]

It's really not

It's most likely either going to be the national bird of Indonesia (look it up I don't remember name) or some rare chicken with strong black legs (making it grass fighting) that can also be found in Indonesia. The second one seems more likely.

[velvet forum]

i dont think it’ll be grass fighting

we already have a grass fighting bird

Yk honestly

id be happy if the starters were mono

[finite totem]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-inteleon-sword-and-shield-sword-%26-shield-swsh-gif-17448437914534396058

[velvet forum]

It pushes you to use other mons the region has to offer if you need coverage and i enjoy that

[tepid flame]

That's a party of one there buddy

But if they're really gonna do that they better do it like Gen 2 and 8 at least where everyone is mono typed

[velvet forum]

Thats what i mean

i wouldnt mind it that way

[finite totem]

I still expect normal type

[velvet forum]

also i have an arguement for gecqua

it isnt weak to either of the legendaries from these games

While the chick and the pup are

[finite totem]

it will be weak to main legendary but resist boxarts trust

[velvet forum]

Nahhh

Idk why people argue for a different type trio than grass water and fire every gen

its perfect and people who hate it just dont use those typings

while i probably use two of those typings on my team each region

[finite totem]

grass kind of is a weak link of the trio

[velvet forum]

Not necessarily

grass isnt bad at all tbh

i mean sure you dont got great defensive capabilities but grass coverage is nice

[tepid flame]

The coverage that gets too many types checking it you mean

[finite totem]

(7 types resist it)

[velvet forum]

Id like for the next gen after gen 10 to be a more snowy like region, where we get like a water and ice leopard or something

[tepid flame]

But I don't wanna argue about Grass being a weak type or else I'll slide into a "and this is why they should nerf Water"

[tepid flame]

Soviet Union region lets goooooo

[velvet forum]

Nahhhhhh

canada

[finite totem]

drake region hell yeah

https://tenor.com/view/nickiender-beygrnd-drake-bbl-affect-gif-22442621

[velvet forum]

a canadian region has so much potential

for cool new mons

Like imagine we get the first beaver pokemon

thats peak

[modest cave]

China would be fun too

[tepid flame]

I understand your feelings

Bidoof is too memed to be good

[finite totem]

lance and lance are typing...

[forest egret]

You uh, still do that with a dual type

[velvet forum]

Im saying like

its less repeat typings

[modest cave]

Give me Feng Shui legendaries

[finite totem]

simple was kinda useful no?

[velvet forum]

Give us china, canada, italy and a south american region

That would be peak

[forest egret]

We already got 2 whole sets of mono type starters, I think it'd be lame to get another 3

[modest cave]

Honestly a China region with heavy Feng Shui themes would be fun