pokemon-winds-waves

[jade ocean]

Exactly my reasoning

This also extends to other Non 3 stage Pokemon with Megas to varying degrees

For example, it isn't as bad for Skarm since Skarmory is a pretty strong Pokemon already

Despite the lower end BST

Though, it could prevent Mantine from getting an evo

Which I'd hate

[lime void]

Why would Skarmory getting a mega evolution prevent Mantine from getting an evolution?

[jade ocean]

They're typically seen as counterparts

Though you could argue that Mantine getting Mantyke would mean that you could still give Mantine an evolution within reason

[lime void]

This is the first I’ve heard of them being counterparts

[jade ocean]

Well, they were, in Gen 2 at least

As were Cloyster and Starmie to my knowledge

These 2 are probably the counterparts I see realised by others the least

[lime void]

Considering that Mantine got Mantyke in Gen 4 while Skarmory got nothing, and Skarmory got a mega in ZA while Mantine got nothing, I think that parings out the window, at least when it comes to special treatment

[jade ocean]

Which is strange because I though most people knew Mantine was a counterpart to Skarmory before ZA

But I kept yapping about it and people were like "wait fr?" a ton

[lime void]

It probably also doesn’t help that a lot of people think Skarmory is a Gen 3 Mon

Or at least did at one point

[jade ocean]

Also me learning Cloyster is a Starnie counterpart literally happened because of ZA lmao, I wanted to research which counterparts got only 1 Mega for 1 of the 2 Pokemon

I would've never known otherwise

Apart from that though, I did generally know

Vileplume vs Victreebel, Turtonator vs Drampa and Clawitzer vs Dragalge are, to my knowledge, the only other situations in ZA specifically where a Pokemon got a Mega while its counterpart did not

Though most probably don't see the first one as such anymore

[lime void]

I agree with not giving Vileplume a mega, since Gen 1 has already gotten WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY too much special treatment, and it already got 8 megas too many in ZA, and Turtonator needs a regular evolution anyway (so did Drampa for that matter).

Clawitzer was a good candidate for a mega though

What’s more egregious to me is the fact that Slowking and Klevor didn’t get megas, since their lines alternate evolutions have them

[jade ocean]

That isn't new to ZA so I didn't mention it

But yes, it would've been nice to see them get Megas

At least Froslass did, though

And I'd say did a decent job with Froslass' stats

[lime void]

I mean, Klevor didn’t exist when Scizor got a mega, so this was its first opportunity to get one

[jade ocean]

Not flawless, but not many Megas are

There's like, what?

Mega Beedrill getting the best changes it could've got?

And uhh

Meowstic too I suppose?

They did cook very hard with the 3 Kalos Megas too actually

[lime void]

Meowstic really should’ve gotten a regular evolution though

[jade ocean]

And Absol and Lucario Z have very few wasted stats too

[jade ocean]

True, but at least you can tell that they tried

Can't say the same for Malamar, can I?

Well, I could actually

"Didn't try'" refers to Pyroar

They actively tried to make Malamar worse

And succeeded

Someone at Gamefreak HATES Malamar

[lime void]

Which is ironic considering the whole “my friend Malamar” thing

[jade ocean]

It really is

[robust wren]

Malamars whole thing is being an inversion of what you would expect. You would think from looking at it that it's a special attacker, but it has better physical attack. You would think a Mega would make it stronger, but it does basically nothing.

[lime void]

Just goes to show that sometimes inverting expectations isn’t a good thing

[jade ocean]

You would think that Contrary would save it from being hot garbage

But alas!

[hearty bison]

We don't know any abilities aside from Starmie probably getting Huge Power currently so they could get insane abilities

[jade ocean]

I genuinely can't think of an ability that'd save Mega Malamar

At least not one within reason

They aren't giving it As One (Huge Power + Simple + Contrary)

[lime void]

Wouldn’t it be funny if they did though

[jade ocean]

Even in VGC why run Mega Malamar when you can run Farigiraf and a better Mega?

Or any other Trick Room setter that does its job perfectly well?

Like even assuming the TR on entry theory

And in Singles?

Yeah, no. TR isn't common here and even with TR on Entry there's probably better setters

At least when you have other Mega options like Camerupt

Or like uhh

Idk some out-of-Trick Room sweeper

Most TR teams have that so that they don't just instalose when Trick Room goes down

Fuck it run Mega Crab or something

[opaque geyser]

i mean i think it's a given that for all the amazing megas that exist there's bound to be some stinkers that don't really do much

like hypothetically if malamar got trick room on entry then it'd have a niche nothing else has so there could be a format where it's exclusive job is useful

[jade ocean]

I can't think of an existing one where that's a case

So I'd have to see it work with my own eyes to believe it

And this is almost certainly NOT an ability Mega Malamar will be getting

[opaque geyser]

yeah neither the vague point is if it got anything specific to itself then it could be useful eventually based on that but that also goes for any of the new megas

[robust wren]

Contrary is definitely an ability that Gamefreak is terrified of giving to Pokémon that could abuse it too harshly ever since Serperior jumped several tiers since obtaining it

The only Pokémon with usable stats that's gotten it since then is Enamorus, and it has 1.5 moves it can exploit with it

.5 cause Stellar Tera Blast

[jade ocean]

Screw .5, .25

Because 50% of the time you aren't even running Tera Stellar anyways

Fraud Tera Type istg

Even on Contrary mons it isn't used that often

[left flower]

i to this day dont understand the steller tera type anyway

I got a shiny steller lapras...and thats all ive ever thought about the type

[robust wren]

It's not really something worth thinking about too much. It's a really badly designed gimmick.

Pretty much the only Tera Stellar Pokémon worth thinking about is Terapagos, and that's because it gets an Ultra Necrozma style form change from it

[left flower]

yeaah

i like that it looks like the world turlte

[cedar creek]

Does anyone have a shiny Porygon-2? I cant find anyone trading the shiny with the link code.

[forest sable]

i used a master ball on a shiny mudkip

[velvet forum]

[desert current]

I mean what else are you gonna use a masterball on lol?

[storm bone]

any of the legendaries from the special scans

[jade ocean]

Tbf it's also more colour matching for Shiny Mudkip line than the legendaries I think

[jade thorn]

Got a shiny gholdengoat. But it looks like just a normal gholdengo. Sad times.

[unborn pewter]

yeah the difference in Gholdengo's shiny is irritatingly subtle

the lines between the coins are now a more copper patina bluish-green instead of gold

[forest sable]

ALR had plans for them

Virizion in a dream or love ball

Coballion in a beast

Latios also in a beast

Idk for latias

Maybe luxury

Or friend

Terrakion in premier

[indigo mango]

i dunno why they didnt make ther shiny just ghimmighoul colors

[velvet forum]

Latios or latias

[velvet forum]

the shiny should have turned silver with the blue accents

[opaque osprey]

Thank god, accidentally used my master ball on an alpha clobbopus. managed to soft reset and get the masterball back 😮‍💨

[odd tapir]

It doesn't make sense for the body to change, it's literally made of gold. I would have been satisfied with just a blue chest.

[robust wren]

Rose gold is a thing and would make for a good enough excuse for substantial changes

[odd tapir]

Maybe, but certainly not a downgrade to silver.

[viscid adder]

so is white gold

A while back, I did make concepts for a redone shiny

Both of them were based on pure gold and antique gold

#other-pokemon-games message

and they were primarily based on the shiny of gimmieghoul

[viscid adder]

replying to this now that we have more megas
Mega Clefable: A unique ability that gives everyone the flying type (as a reference to Peter Pan and pixie dust) or turns normal type moves into flying type moves
Mega Starmie: A copy of Multiscale, maybe? idk
Mega Meganium: Pixilate
Mega Emboar: Warrior Spirit: Special Attacks inflict Physical Attack damage
Mega Feralgatr: Mega Bite: All biting moves are stronger, and they will bypass fairy type immunities
Mega Skarmory: A unique ability that gives every move a chance to make the opponent flinch.
Mega Froslass: Either Refrigerate again or a unique ability: Below Zero (Fire and water type moves will inflict ice type damage instead, for both the user and the opponent)
Mega Excadrill: Hyper Drill (All charging/drilling moves are stronger)
Mega Eelektross: A unique ability that combines its levitate ability with Electric Terrain and Surge Surfer. Or would that be too op?
Mega Scolipede: Is there an ability that makes the pokemon stronger if its inflicted with a status effect? If not, there should be.
Mega Scrafty: Tough Skin (Physical Damage is halved)
Mega Chandelure: Vigor Sap (Any physical attack from the opponent will turn into a special attack boost for this pokemon. The opponent's attack stat will decrease also.)
Mega Pyroar: Ignite (Normal type moves become fire type moves)
Mega Floette: Stronger version of Flower Veil, but now applies to all types
Mega Barbaracle: An ability where water type moves can also inflict fighting type damage
Mega Dragalge: Berserk Cells (Poison touch/Poison point, but now the opponent can also get debuffed randomly)
Mega Zygarde: Aura Null (Now fairy and dark type moves don't effect this pokemon at all)
Mega Drampa: Electrify
Mega Falinks: Stronger Together (Multi-hit attacks are now one attack, and they have the damage of a combined total of a multi-hit attack at the highest number of hits)

[viscid adder]

Mega Chimecho: Fortify (normal type moves are now steel type moves)
Mega Absol Z: Probably magic bounce again or an ability that strengthens claw-based moves
Mega Staraptor: Invigorate (normal type moves are now fighting type moves)
Mega Garchomp Z: Levitate
Mega Lucario Z: Adaptability again, or an ability where supereffective damage is halved
Mega Heatran: Molten Metal (Metal type moves can also afflict fire type damage)
Mega Darkrai: A stronger Bad Dreams that adds a terrain called "Nightmare Realm", where light-based moves and fighting type moves do nothing and sleep lasts much longer.
Mega Golurk: Unstable Core (If it faints, the pokemon will explode). ...or perhaps Aftermath.
Mega Meowstic: Unity (Attacks can inflict both physical and special damage)
Mega Crabominable: An ability where fighting type moves can also inflict ice type damage/freezing
Mega Golisopod: Heatproof, Fortify, or a unique ability where water type moves can also inflict steel type damage)
Mega Magearna: A stronger version of Soul-Heart
Mega Zeraora: Plasma Charged (All fighting type moves can also inflict electric type damage/static)
Mega Scovillain: Spicy Kick (Grass type moves can inflict fire type damage and vice versa)
Mega Glimmora: A stronger version of Toxic Debri where even rock type moves can cause poison type damage/poisoning
Mega Tatsugiri: Ability where it gets the stat boosts of Commander without the need of Dondozo
Mega Baxcalibur: Thermal Exchange, but you don't get damaged by the fire type move

[jade ocean]

Watching MandJTV's ZA playthrough

And good god you can tell why he only plays Pokemon games

Bro is so ass 💔

And complains so much about the slightest amounts of difficulty

Which fits as a Pokemon youtuber since Pokemon's an easy game series

[woven prairie]

I actuslly didnt know that lmao. I never watch him might give it a shot during lunch

He just seemed like an apple from an orchard xD i didnt know he raged like dat

[runic hill]

i am having such a hard time getting part the 1st Trio Mega rouge pokemon espically ater and fire

[robust wren]

"How are my Pokémon supposed to avoid these attacks?"
The "recall Pokémon" button in the corner:

[woven prairie]

Thats savage af lol

[robust wren]

Mega Clefable will probably get some ability that works like a one-sided Gravity based off of its description

[unborn elm]

The game was not even that difficult tbh the only fight I really lost was like to the main game final boss but even then I beat the petals out of it right after (I have yet to finish the dlc)

[velvet forum]

Im so sad they scrapped the dodge idea

at first ZA was meant to have a dodge mechanic

they settled with a walk slowly in a different direction to dodge

[daring finch]

For your pokemon?

It would be frustrating if the AI's pokemon could dodge

[jaunty comet]

Anyone down to trade? Ive got plenty of extra shinies/apriballs/caps for trade. Im looking for certain dlc mons
Dm me if interested

[indigo mango]

in what way? cause you can dodge in the game

you get told how to do it in the very beginning

[odd tapir]

i pain for anyone who played through the whole game not realizing they could dodge roll.

[daring finch]

I mean in mega raids its like 90% just running around

[robust wren]

Honestly it would be their fault for not reading

It's a mandatory tutorial

[velvet forum]

Yeah

You can dodge but it was meant to be a more full on dodge for ur pokemon

like ur in some anime battle

if you look at one of the first za trailers the UI includes a dodge button

[odd tapir]

We still sorta got that with recalling. Though it's not really the same.

[viscid adder]

ngl the recall mechanic works really well when it came to attacks that could really kick your pokemon's ass

[viscid adder]

dodge roll is the best
would love to see someone try to complete the game without dodge roll though

[indigo mango]

i dont, the game tells you

[indigo mango]

tbf mandjtv played alot of the game forgetting it exists, he didnt get most colorful screws till he got the phone glide

[daring finch]

I didnt even bother to go for them

[finite totem]

Frlg out on switch 2. Same game you can emulate on nearly every single device

Near all of phones, PCs and consoles in last 2 decades minus j2me phones

[opal gull]

casual masses dont emulate, and it does allow transferring which they dont (oc new games dont have home compatability for ages anyways)

[opal gull]

mega bite is just strong jaw

issue is theres no stab moves with it

[viscid adder]

Then let's make every biting move also do dragon type damage

[opal gull]

so it has no coverage?

[robust wren]

The evil and intimidating fairies:

[viscid adder]

And they bypass fairy type's immunity

[novel atlas]

It already has sheer force right

That’s basically as good as it gets

Just making Sheer Force the ability would be fantastic

[rustic salmon]

idea:
remove crunch from existence

[jade ocean]

Sounds like someone's team is Dark-Weak

[rustic salmon]

no, i just think it's redundant

in fact, 4 of my 6 mons hard counter dark types

[jade ocean]

In what way is it redundant?

I mean sure it's worse than Knock Off, but every Dark move is

[rustic salmon]

i mean, we have another version of it with LOWER base power that causes flinching

AND IT'S STILL BETTER

[jade ocean]

There is no chance in hell Bite is better than Crunch

[rustic salmon]

trust me bro

with my luck it is

[jade ocean]

By that logic, every move is redundant

Just use Ice Punch

Because Freeze is an instant win whenever you proc it

[rustic salmon]

i mean

realistically most flying and dragon type mons aren't a problem with fairy types running around

[jade ocean]

Realistically, 0 Pokemon are problems when they cannot select any moves

Also Flying doesn't interact with Fairy at all

And both Flying and Dragon are still A tier types

[rustic salmon]

the shiny rock in the corner:

[jade ocean]

Not to mention Ice also covering Ground, an S tier type

[rustic salmon]

ground counters ice

idk what u talkin about

[jade ocean]

Ground is literally weak to Ice

And does neutral damage vs it

[rustic salmon]

my fault i've only been up against aurorus

[jade ocean]

Hitting Grass for SE is nice I suppose but like Grass/Steel is the most relevant type combo for Grass and Ice only hits it for neutral

[velvet forum]

mega golurk the goat

As a matter of fact ima keep soft resetting for a shiny ghost donut n hunt for a shalpha golem

[jade ocean]

SE vs Grass/Poison is cool though

[velvet forum]

Golurk that is

[robust wren]

I just realized that Pokémon has several golems in it, but the Pokémon named Golem is definitionally not a golem

[jade ocean]

That's because Golem is a fraud

[opaque geyser]

the coolest fissure user this side of hyperspace lumiose 💪💪

[velvet forum]

This fella gets it

[opaque geyser]

i used to run a team for ranked with mr. rime / lucario z / golurk so i have experienced the wonders first hand

[nocturne lava]

The geodude line should have been in legends za

[vast lantern]

Yeah the line would been good

[lime void]

Why?

[velvet forum]

Geodude has been in the last like 7 games

give it a break bro

[rustic salmon]

https://tenor.com/view/grandpa-keep-digging-holes-you-keep-digging-holes-movie-holes-holes-thats-too-damn-bad-gif-7703428889870729988

[nocturne lava]

It feels like it would be in it

[hallow stirrup]

ive been shiny hunting drampa for a week

this is torture

[hallow stirrup]

some sweet people just up and gave me a shalpha drampa and a shiny dratini

[crude barn]

Oh wow…

[forest sable]

Giant pink noodle

You eating good today

[crude barn]

The haul:
(Alphas are top 3 Dratini and Swablu)
I can’t believe the first shinies that spawned were all alphas.

[velvet forum]

Finally

SHALPHA blaziken

my goat!

[somber galleon]

Anyone got a shiny lavitar?

[chilly olive]

I do

Nvm I got a tyranitar

[somber galleon]

Damn 🙁

[chilly olive]

If u want it I could give it to u

[somber galleon]

Was hoping for first stage so I can level it up with sp atk

Weird i know

[opal gull]

level it up with special attack? dk why you wanna do that but also dk whatcha mean your final stats can be changed at any point

[odd tapir]

you can reset a pokemon's evs entirely for just a few mega shards at the desk lady at Rust Syndicate. then it's just a matter of being rich for the stat medicine.

[finite totem]

Anyways Lokix for Gen 10 because I know

[odd tapir]

can't wait for pokemon day to show 1-2 things i care about, then be nothing but mobile crap.

[finite totem]

I mean what else could happen?

A game maybe, side game, mobile shit, tcg, merch

[viscid adder]

giant pink murder noodle

[somber galleon]

I mean i want to have an attack and sp attack tyranitars

[opal gull]

but whether you do that has nothing to do with what form you started trainign them in or how much theyve been trained

[somber galleon]

Well my normal tyranitar is a normal attacker so I was hoping for help finding a shiny larvitar for training it in special attack stats

It a weird thing I know

[finite totem]

11 hours until aceullar life, prion, bacteria, fungi, plant, animal, household items and buildings that all fit in your pocket day!

[jade ocean]

Garchomp Z has officially been revealed

No need to avoid talking about it anymore

[finite totem]

Watching the video rn

[olive panther]

I was expecting it to be the next season mega reward. Not a new quest.

[finite totem]

İdk what quest it is but it was know it would be some sort of boss battle

(well kinda a leak but also on Bulbapedia which has a strict leak policy so idk)

[mild pagoda]

Hey, this channel is now about the newly announced Pokemon Winds and Waves!

Please keep all discussion about these games in this channel until they come out to avoid spoilers for those who don't want to see them.

[shrewd pawn]

Yippee

[nimble basin]

winds*

[lyric stratus]

Anyone having a idea what type of bird Browt is?

[velvet forum]

gecqua is the coolest for sure

[nimble basin]

its a bird

[velvet forum]

an angry bird

[lyric stratus]

I mean the region is likely indonesia

[velvet forum]

Nah

its south american

[lyric stratus]

Wow you 2 are helpfull

[nimble basin]

thank you

[mild pagoda]

Fixed

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-daring-today-spongebob-spongebob-meme-daring-today-arent-we-gif-23808696

[velvet forum]

people say indonesia but it looks a lot more like south america to me

[fickle birch]

It's based on beans, apparently. I suspect that'll be the direction it ends up taking when it evolves. 😅

[velvet forum]

frogzilla gonna be the only person on earth who picks browt

[lyric stratus]

I mean bean can also just talk about the body shape 🤔
But a bean poke could be funny

I mean Browt is cute

[shrewd pawn]

Greece I think

[lyric stratus]

I see more potential than the Hot dog

[velvet forum]

absolutely not

[lyric stratus]

Greece isnt tropical

[jade ocean]

No clue personally.

[velvet forum]

since when was greece all islands

[robust wren]

Gequa is getting way more positive reception than I expected. It just looks like a flat Drizzile to me

[jade ocean]

If you believe the people saying it's Indonesia, then you could probably say some indonesian bird

Most likely is like

[velvet forum]

Gecqua is the only starter that at first glance is visually pleasing

[jade ocean]

Junglefowl

[lyric stratus]

It does look way diffrent to drizzile imo

[jade ocean]

But I'm gonna cope and pray that it's a peafowl

We need one of those

[velvet forum]

Im calling it rn gecqua will be water poison type

[lyric stratus]

I expect Gecqua to become some sort of monitor lizard

[shrewd pawn]

Make it just another owl called jungowl

[shrewd pawn]

Same

[velvet forum]

100% will become a komodo dragon

and be water poison

[opaque geyser]

gamefreak make a gen of only owls please 🙏🙏

[lyric stratus]

I hope, Komodos are my fav animal and they deserve a good poke

[jade ocean]

Water/Poison is probably the most likely but it won't stop me from pushing the Water/Flying agenda purely because there's a species of flying gecko in Indonesia (that frankly nobody knows about)

Well, gliding

[velvet forum]

The dog isnt bad but like cmon man the thing just looks stupid imo

[jade ocean]

But close enough

[velvet forum]

If they waste fairy fire on it ill be mad

[lyric stratus]

Wouldnt that be close to Intelleon?

[velvet forum]

a pom out of anything

[lyric stratus]

I saw the Dogs final already

[shrewd pawn]

Please gamefreak, keep it a quadraped

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/lesser-dog-undertale-gif-4834820

[jade ocean]

I have not seen Inteleon glide at all so it's a fraud

[velvet forum]

Is it good

[jade ocean]

It also isn't a Flying type

[lyric stratus]

It can glide tho

[jade ocean]

Also you could probably still just make it quadrapedal

I mean geckos are quadrapeds

[wraith sage]

this guy is pretty cool

[shrewd pawn]

Didn’t save the cats

[lyric stratus]

I expect the dog to stand up and the lizard to be a semi quadruped

[jade ocean]

But yeah Water/Poison Komodo Dragon is probably most likely

[lucid leaf]

woah how'd you already get a shiny gecqua

[lyric stratus]

I mean it wouldnt need to be a Komodo and can also just be a Water monitor

[lyric stratus]

Nah thats the super shiny
The new gimmik

[jade ocean]

Still probably like Water/Poison I imagine

[lyric stratus]

1 in a gazillion chance to encounter

[shrewd pawn]

I wonder what the gimmick will be

[lyric stratus]

Oh absolutly
You see it in its eyes

[potent pelican]

Idk, these games do not interest me for some reason. I guess it all feels so corporate and bland. And the artstyle isn't that interesting. I guess the new starters are kinda neat

[velvet forum]

Yeah im 100000% gonna pick gecqua

[velvet forum]

i hope there isnt one

i hope its just a normal pokemon game

[lyric stratus]

good graphics

[shrewd pawn]

Real

[fickle birch]

It can, but I think it'll go down the coffee route. 😃

[velvet forum]

the graphics gonna end up being another scvi moment i already know it

[potent pelican]

There was a credible leak a while ago, talking about some new mechanic for i forgor what it was

[lucid leaf]

anyways my ride or die is browt i love that thang to death already

[lyric stratus]

YOOOO A P*ssed off bird starter

[opaque geyser]

i want to grab browl and squeeze it like a stress ball i love it so much

[lyric stratus]

like we say in germany "der frühe vogel kann mich mal" (kinda translated to: the early bird can p* ss/ f*ck off) coming from the saying "der frühe vogel fängt den wurm" (translating to: the early bird gets the worm)

[shrewd pawn]

That is a brilliant saying

[slender cradle]

[velvet forum]

gecqua my beloved

[finite totem]

We're spoilers required for ww?

[velvet forum]

might be one of my favorite water starters already

[vast fossil]

Does Indonesia have any big legends that they could use?

[tepid flame]

About time

[velvet forum]

im sorry but its not indonesia bruh

[tepid flame]

That depends on what you want by Legend

[vast fossil]

Its not?

[velvet forum]

idk why ppl are thinking that

looks nothing like indonesia

I think its south american

[finite totem]

Well I guess I should hop off the channel

[vast fossil]

Mythical usually are based on the legends

[lyric stratus]

I mean its island ppl so yeah many myths and legends

[tepid flame]

I fucking hope not but if you saw the leaks they're basically just rearranged Indonesian islands

[vast fossil]

I avoid the leaks

[slender cradle]

that being said

[tepid flame]

There's a lot of legends in general

[slender cradle]

any speculation on the box legendaries?

[tepid flame]

Idk how it'll translate to the mons itswlf

But if you guys want you can start with the Wayangs

[jade ocean]

Probably something to do with winds and waves

[full hatch]

I avoid leaks as well. Just saw the leaked designs for the starters and they were so wrong.

[lyric stratus]

South america isnt a island

[shrewd pawn]

Yeah the leaks were off a bit

[tepid flame]

They're not specifically about a legend they're like a puppet play style that's very much ours

[shrewd pawn]

I know some of them were saying release this year

[finite totem]

Dude what are these starters 😭

[tepid flame]

And there's a lot of famous mythologies often associated with the Wayangs

[vast fossil]

But we just had a mixed region with south american aspects. Paldea was mostly Spain but had some south american stuff i believe right?

[shrewd pawn]

Peak, Peak and Browt

[lyric stratus]

I heard people crying about the release date

[full hatch]

Owl, Pomerannian and Gecko.

[slender cradle]

make them bug water ghost flying legendaries

[shrewd pawn]

I’m sorry, I do not like Browt

[finite totem]

They don't feel pokemon

[vast fossil]

Browt is not an owl

[lyric stratus]

be happy they finaly take time to make a game

[vast fossil]

People say that every generation

[lyric stratus]

ppl say that since gen 2...

[jade ocean]

The ow is Browt can very easily just stand for fowl

[finite totem]

Yeah we already have an owl starter grass too

[tepid flame]

If you guys want like a baseline look up Wayang Purwa

[jade ocean]

Which doesn't narrow shit down much

We still got multiple fowls to look through

[last stag]

||Merlion|| legendary please.

[tepid flame]

A lot of iconic characters are from that specific play

[vast fossil]

Its called the bean chick pokemon but that really doesnt say much

[jade ocean]

Junglefowl? Peafowl? Who the fuck knows but I'm betting on the former if I'm being realistic and the latter if I'm being idealistic

[lyric stratus]

Would be funny if the grass starter becomes some sort of prehistoric bird like a Moa or Terror bird

[tepid flame]

Spoilers: Because they're our own localized Mahabharata epics

[jade ocean]

||Indonesia is not Singapore last I checked||

[full hatch]

Browt ould be an owlet-nightjar if it isn't an owl.

[vast fossil]

Could be a partridge as well

We also just had a peacock duck so I don't think peafowl

[jade ocean]

Anyways I sure do wonder what types the legendaries will be!

[tepid flame]

If you guys are looking for Indonesian animals there's the obvious ones like bekantan, komodo dragons, etc

[vast fossil]

Water and flying definitely

[robust wren]

Considering we already have Kyogre and Rayquaza, I'm hoping it's something more abstract than those literally. Maybe something like the winds of change and however waves would contrast that?

Maybe ebb and flow?

[vast fossil]

Question is what's the secondary types

[tepid flame]

If they wanna be really cool they could cover like our own extinct faunas like Javanese Tigers and Sumatran Rhinos

[storm tinsel]

I am surprised by Browt because it seems so close to Rowlet design wise at the moment but it could still differ a lot

[finite totem]

Pure dragon, Pure Dragon, Psychic/Fairy I'm welcome

[lyric stratus]

I HOPE we get fossils again...

[jade ocean]

Who tf is this supposed to be

[vast fossil]

Eh browt doesnt really scream owl to me

[finite totem]

Are these new or existing pokemon?

[last stag]

Sorry, my mistake. I don't want to wait for a region based on ||Singapore|| to get one though. :c

[vast fossil]

Brow and tweet is really what it sounds like to me

[robust wren]

Frillish and wailord

[storm tinsel]

Existing

[lyric stratus]

Btw any birds that have any connections with Eyebrows? since Browt Brows...

[vast fossil]

And it sure as brows

[lyric stratus]

Yeah nothing new

[robust wren]

Owls...

[shrewd pawn]

Frillish Lumineon Tynamo Krabby Wailord

[jade ocean]

I see Frillish, Lumineon, Wailord, Krabby and what seems to be Tynamo?

[lyric stratus]

Nah

[storm tinsel]

They never show anything new but starters in the first reveals

[tepid flame]

A lot of our animals in general can surprisingly be traced back to like

[finite totem]

Frillish was one I wondered

[tepid flame]

Ancient megafaunas

Komodo dragons are often called dwarf monitor lizards

[lyric stratus]

We need more prehistoric Pokemon

[tepid flame]

Because the monitor lizards of old are like literal giant beasts lol

[vast fossil]

Ok but what was up with the pikachus?

[robust wren]

There's tons of owls that have eyebrow like markings, and I'm not sure of any other birds that do

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/komodo-dragon-roaring-tiger-fighting-gif-17282343

[vast fossil]

Are they like our parents or something?

[velvet forum]

unfortunately gecqua is definitely gonna be bipedal

[shrewd pawn]

Tanned pikachu with possible plot involvement

[lyric stratus]

His mom and dad returned after 30 years from buying milk

[tepid flame]

If you wanna see a wicked cool lizard look up Megalania

[vast fossil]

Its already quadralpedal

[velvet forum]

its already on its hind legs

[tepid flame]

They're basically the ancestor to the komodos

[vast fossil]

It does both

[full hatch]

Floofiest doggo.

[jade ocean]

I don't need to because I already know

I mean I still can

[shrewd pawn]

If they make the dog a biped

[jade ocean]

And I mean this is a pretty good excuse to do so actually

[lyric stratus]

The gif is from a Megalania documentation
I love those over grown monitor lizards, why do they have to be extinct...

[velvet forum]

Gecqua ftw bro

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/lesser-dog-undertale-gif-4834820

[shrewd pawn]

So hell me

[velvet forum]

that dog ugly

[vast fossil]

When was the last time we had a pokemon that does both 2 legged walk and 4 legged walked

Starter wise

[full hatch]

Much energy, Head empty.

[finite totem]

Can it be just some offshoot turkey, chicken or a different kind of land bird

[shrewd pawn]

Thats right, Hell me

[vast fossil]

Its just straight up a pomeranian

[velvet forum]

very boring

[shrewd pawn]

Good question

[jade ocean]

Does H-Typhlosion count?

[vast fossil]

I guess?

[jade ocean]

I know base Typhlosion can walk on both 2 legs and all 4s

[lyric stratus]

Im unsure Swampert... maybe infernape?
Does Rillaboom count?

[jade ocean]

But idk if H-Typh does that, and also don't know if it counts

[vast fossil]

I know treecko did both in mystery dungeon

[jade ocean]

Does Rillaboom walk on 2 limbs ever?

[velvet forum]

Meowscarada

[vast fossil]

But lost that ability when they evolved

[lyric stratus]

I mean its a Ape so yeah?

[shrewd pawn]

Typhlosion maybe?

[jade ocean]

I can't say I can think of a time where Meowscarada goes on all fours

[vast fossil]

Honestly alot of the bipeds have been shown doing both.

[storm tinsel]

Someone please let the pomeranian stay on fours and be a cute super fluffy big fairy fire dog or something

[jade ocean]

I mean yeah probably

But I can't think of any direct evidence because my brain is smooth

[velvet forum]

its prevoe

prevos

[vast fossil]

Because inceraroar has the right body plan to run on all 4s

[velvet forum]

Well just the one

[shrewd pawn]

Yeah typhlosion does both

[velvet forum]

Who else picking gecqua?

[jade ocean]

We're talking about specifically just the Pokemon itself

[velvet forum]

https://tenor.com/view/gekko-gif-27330220

[jade ocean]

And not any of the prevos

[vast fossil]

Probably me

Not sure yet.

[shrewd pawn]

I will be

[jade ocean]

Idk what I'd pick yet either

[velvet forum]

I need to see their evolutions

i like gecqua the most rn tho

[jade ocean]

But I'd need to first worry about even getting a Switch 2

[vast fossil]

I like dogs and if its fairy type I'll probably be going for it

[jade ocean]

Is it even worth it?

[vast fossil]

Yes.

[shrewd pawn]

Pombon is neat but I prefer cats

[velvet forum]

yes

pombon is alright but its ugly

[vast fossil]

For the native upgrades that games come with out the gate

[full hatch]

Floofiest doggo is my choice right now, but I need to see their final evos.

[storm tinsel]

I'd say no to be honest

[shrewd pawn]

I mean I get the thought of bonbons thinking about the dog

[robust wren]

We've had plenty of cat starters. This is our first dog.

[lyric stratus]

Gen 10 if pokemon would release as often as some fans want

[vast fossil]

You don't need to spend 10 dollars for scarlet and violet to run with no problems

[jade ocean]

Is this Spore

[shrewd pawn]

That is 100% spore

[lyric stratus]

I think

[jade ocean]

And how the fuck are people already speedrunning making the new starters in it

[storm tinsel]

I can assure you I want nothing but for them to take a really long time developing, the recent games are all rushed (although they might've always been a little rushed)

[lyric stratus]

Its kinda like that specific rule on the internet

[storm tinsel]

Yeah lol

[vast fossil]

But yeah if you save up. I was saving up originally but then got my high school diploma and my father got it for me as a congrats gift

[full hatch]

2027 release, so it's not being rushed.

[lyric stratus]

When they showed gen 10 I saw so many people crying about them being late and it not releasing this year

[vast fossil]

And its probably be in the works for awhile before that

[shrewd pawn]

Pokopia gonna last me from next week to next year

[vast fossil]

Maybe around the dlc for scarlet and violet if I had to guess

[lyric stratus]

Im real I hope this time not too many hate cuz Gamefreak did a good bunch of things people wanted right

[storm tinsel]

Those people do not know how game development or any project works and I hope they can it

[lyric stratus]

The more I look at them the more I like all of them

[shrewd pawn]

THE DAMNED BIRD

[storm tinsel]

Water one is so littlest pet shop coded (positive)

[lyric stratus]

Also look at Browts art, its actually cute in it

[vast fossil]

People compared gecqua to an lps and I love that for her

[vast fossil]

Yeah thats not an owl

[lyric stratus]

Maybe a Kakapo

[vast fossil]

I don't know what it is. But its not an owl

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/kakapo-bird-green-bird-gif-8293429981429417974

[storm tinsel]

Birb!

[robust wren]

Given how tepid the response to Browt has been, how long do you think it will be before it gets the Oshawott/Froakie/popplio treatment of a bunch of artists drawing it as a sad boy constantly crying?

[lyric stratus]

Actually it could go in a Parot direction

tropical region and all

[storm tinsel]

What

[vast fossil]

Nah its gonna be drawn being angry at its haters

[lyric stratus]

Also dont some parots have brow like patterns

[shrewd pawn]

I’ve already seen art of the three

(Flork of cows)

[storm tinsel]

Aw Browt would be so silly and funny with a little angry face with its eyebrows

[lyric stratus]

Also many Parrots eat fruit so its grass coded

[shrewd pawn]

People keep turning red from angry birds green

[storm tinsel]

Lolololol

[lyric stratus]

Btw any thoughts what the starter theme could be?

[vast fossil]

I really like the line up this go round. I mean I liked the gen 9 starters as well but I think its a good showing

[robust wren]

Too early to say

[vast fossil]

Hmm... different ways of travel?

[lyric stratus]

I ask for speculations

[vast fossil]

We seem to have a hoverboard on our character

Or skateboard

[shrewd pawn]

I mean if Browt ends up being a bean and Pombon has some correlation between sweets (bonbon) maybe food?

[lyric stratus]

Could be 🤔

[shrewd pawn]

Idk what Gecqua would be though

[jade ocean]

I'm kinda just assuming Pombon is like

Pomeranian Bonfire

[lyric stratus]

https://tenor.com/view/parrot-party-gif-22113017

[robust wren]

Paldea starters were based on entertainment, so many they could be attached to certain forms of Indonesian culture

[lyric stratus]

Browt final evo

[storm tinsel]

Fairy dog fairy dog fairy dog

[shrewd pawn]

I do think it might be a fairy dog

To add to the collection of fairy dogs

[vast fossil]

Like what are those boards?

[lyric stratus]

Yeah I expect the dog becoming Fairy
Or even Steel but that one is cuz of lesser dog

[shrewd pawn]

Zacian, Zamazenta, Fidough, Pombon

[jade ocean]

Would also be the first Fire/Fairy

[lyric stratus]

Also first Fire/Fairy mon

[jade ocean]

Zamazenta is Fighting

[vast fossil]

I liked the idea of fire electric because of static electricity

[shrewd pawn]

Curses

[vast fossil]

But I want a fire fairy starter lol

[lyric stratus]

I mean lets say doggo is Fire/Fairy, Lizard Water/Poison then the bord has something to double counter the water?

[robust wren]

Would also be the last unique type combo for Fire

[jade ocean]

You're also missing Granbull and Slurpuff

[vast fossil]

Oh those are dogs

[jade ocean]

Though ig Slurpuff being a dog would be arguable maybe

[shrewd pawn]

I forget theyre dogs

[vast fossil]

Slurpuff looks much more doglike than swirlix does

[lyric stratus]

What types would fit that idea?

[vast fossil]

Grass... ground?

[shrewd pawn]

I mean if its to counter the second type then it would be ground/psychic

[vast fossil]

If its a kakapo that means it cant fly

[shrewd pawn]

True it could be a flightless bird

[jade ocean]

You can't make a triangle with Fairy and Poison

And also, Grass/Ground would be good vs both other starters

[lyric stratus]

I mean ground could fit if it is a Kakapo
Psychic fits parrots which are likely

[vast fossil]

Tbh the triangle doesnt always need to exist for the secondary types

[jade ocean]

But tbf Fire/Fairy and Water/Poison are both infinitely better types overall than Grass/Ground

So that makes up for it I guess

[lyric stratus]

Also I ignore the "starters have a theme thing" cuz idk what prehistoric birds indonesia had

[robust wren]

Grass is a hard type to make good combos out of

[vast fossil]

That got disproven with gen 9

[jade ocean]

I mean there's Grass/Steel

[jade ocean]

No it didn't, Meowscarada's literal defining ability is to change its type

[vast fossil]

Grass rock is a pretty decent typing surprisingly

[lyric stratus]

I mean Swampert exists so Grass/Steel isnt too farfetched

[vast fossil]

No the prehistoric thing

Also hidden abilities do not count so its still true

[full hatch]

Hidden ability is not a defining ability.

[jade ocean]

Grass/Dark is a bad typing

[vast fossil]

You don't get those in normal gameplay

[jade ocean]

It is competitively

[vast fossil]

No its really not

We aren't talking competition play

[jade ocean]

Well Grass/Dark is still not a great type either ways

[vast fossil]

We're talking story play and yes it is

Its an offensive type.

[jade ocean]

Just that Meowscarada has great stats, a good movepool and a great signature move

[vast fossil]

Yeah and a decent typing

Just don't throw it out against bugs

[full hatch]

7 weaknesses, 6 resistances, and an immunity. So a bit mixed.

[vast fossil]

Grass and dark make an excellent attacker

[jade ocean]

You should probably avoid any type Meowscarada is weak to

Whether it's 4× or not

[vast fossil]

Its not meant to be hit

[jade ocean]

In general avoiding types you're weak to is good actually

So idk why you singled out Bug

[vast fossil]

True lol

Because bugs will kill. While sometimes you can live a super effective attack

[jade ocean]

Meows is not living an SE attack

Like you said, Meows isn't meant to be hit

It's a glass cannon

[robust wren]

Funny how Bug is such a bad type but also it sucks to be weak to Bug purely because of U-Turn

[vast fossil]

You'd be surprised what low damage rolls will happen

[full hatch]

U-Turn, X Scissor, Leech Life

[robust wren]

X-Scissor is meh

[vast fossil]

Bug need a legendary for it

It only has... what genesect?

[jade ocean]

Casually speaking, any weakness is a bad one

Competitively speaking though yeah no the only Bug moves you're gonna get hit by in a higher tier are U-Turn and First Impression

[full hatch]

I don't give a (Censored) about Competitive.

[jade ocean]

Or old gen Volcarona I guess

I love clicking Quiver Dance

[full hatch]

Be like Karen. Strong Pokémon, Weak Pokémon. True trainers win with their favorites.

[jade ocean]

Idk Karen sure as hell didn't win with hers

Anyways uhh

What other good Grass combos are there?

[vast fossil]

Grass rock is surprisingly good.

[robust wren]

Grass Fire is amazing

[vast fossil]

Some of the worst types in terms of super effectiveness.

When combined. Only 4 weaknesses

[jade ocean]

Grass/Water, Grass/Rock, Grass/Fire, Grass/Poison aren't too terrible I suppose

[robust wren]

It is kinda endearing how well the starter types work with each other

[vast fossil]

Yeah it kinda is. Water fire is also pretty good as well

[jade ocean]

Tbf when one is an S tier Type and the other is an A tier and they're mad to counter each other and their weaknesses it's not that shocking

[full hatch]

Poison, Ghost, Steel and Fire.

[jade ocean]

But yeah it's pretty sweet

Grass/Steel is easily the Grass type combo that stands out the most

Because it's unironically an easy Top 3 defensive type

[vast fossil]

Bug types need a massive buff tbh

[jade ocean]

True

Most types simply need to be given to the right Pokemon to work well

[vast fossil]

I do think them resisting... fairy? Maybe would help them

[jade ocean]

Bug is NOT one of them

[robust wren]

I'm seeing so many people call Pombon deformed. And it's like...

[jade ocean]

I guess some Bug combos aren't horrible though

[vast fossil]

Its just a pomeranian

[robust wren]

Have they seen a pomeranian before

[jade ocean]

But the ones that aren't horrible are usually outclassed

[full hatch]

FLOOF!

[buoyant epoch]

its toby fox

[vast fossil]

They got abit of a glow up with the 2 that got megas

But those were already good pokemon

[jade ocean]

There's really only 1 other Type that's as miserable in terms of the type chart and type combos and it's Psychic

World's greatest falloff

[vast fossil]

And thats made up for in terms of. Hits like a truck

[jade ocean]

Psychic's kinda mid offensively tbh

But if by hits like a truck you mean the Psychic type Pokemon have absolutely cracked stats

Then uhh

Yeah that's true

[slender cradle]

whats your top 3 offensive types

[jade ocean]

Very true

[vast fossil]

YeH thats what I mean

[jade ocean]

Hard to say, there's a lot of great ones

[vast fossil]

Honestly fairy is probably up their right?

[jade ocean]

Ghost, Fighting, Ice, Ground are the 4 that come to my mind the quickest

[jade ocean]

Fairy's good offensively but IMO it isn't Top 3 good

[vast fossil]

God ice needs help as well tbu

[compact hare]

the grass starter lowkey looks like its from a roblox game

[vast fossil]

Ice and bug needs some sort of help. Mostly bug but ice needs something

[full hatch]

Poison, Steel, Fire, Water and Electric are good with it.

[jade ocean]

I don't think Ice needs much apart from Gamefreak to like

[robust wren]

Ground is a weird one cause I consider it one of the best types ever but I don't see it as unfair like I see Ghost

[jade ocean]

Fucking give it to offensive Pokemon

[slender cradle]

realistically what would Ice need to be more reinforced

[jade ocean]

Instead of slow bulky walls

[vast fossil]

Honestly my only thing is. Let it resist water type moves

[storm bone]

Yay

[jade ocean]

Ice is a good type in a vacuum is the issue

[robust wren]

Ice types that are offensively inclined tend to be game breakingly good. Look at Bax.

[storm bone]

I’m naming the fire one tobyfox

[jade ocean]

But in the way Gamefreak uses it? Definitely not

[vast fossil]

That is really the only thing i think it really needs

Mostly because i think it makes sense.

[jade ocean]

Similar case to Rock

[slender cradle]

is this for ice?

[jade ocean]

Great in a vacuum

[vast fossil]

Yes

[full hatch]

Water melts Ice, Ice freezes Water.

[slender cradle]

ok then I agree

[jade ocean]

But then you realise it's the 2nd glass cannon type that they gave to specifically slow bulky walls

[slender cradle]

cuz water freezes in contact to like really cold ice

[vast fossil]

If water can resist ice than ice can resist water

[robust wren]

Water melts ice even at lukewarm or cold temperatures

[full hatch]

I'd be fine with Ice resisting Dragon and Flying.

[vast fossil]

Yeah and than it freezes before it can melt it any further

[slender cradle]

yeah

[robust wren]

Hold an ice cube under a tap pouring cold water. Ice will still melt.

[vast fossil]

Thats more errosion

[robust wren]

Running water also can't be frozen

[jade ocean]

Poison, Steel and Water are cases where the base types are already top tier defensively and Psychic kinda just sidegrades them

[vast fossil]

Yes it can

Its hard to do it but it ca

[jade ocean]

Electric and Fire with Psychic are genuinely nice offensive combos though

[vast fossil]

Its why pipes even when turned on during snow freeze

[jade ocean]

What's funny is that you know what I said about Bug being constantly outclassed by other types in its best type combos?

[slender cradle]

is dragon considered more on the defensive side?

[jade ocean]

The same applies to Psychic

[vast fossil]

Yeah water can freeze even when its running i just checked

[jade ocean]

Because Ghost does anything Psychic can but better in 95% of cases

Which is also why Ghost/Psychic is ass, Psychic does jack shit there

I sure do love hitting the Poison types I already resisted for SE as if it mattered

Bug and Psychic kinda mirror each other

The former is like

Unironically kinda decent defensively in the right combos?

[vast fossil]

Well some type combos aren't put together for defense. They're put together for offensive.

[jade ocean]

But then those combos are replaceable by other types

[vast fossil]

Which is the case for that

[jade ocean]

And Bug is horrid offensively

Meanwhile Psychic is horrid defensively

[vast fossil]

Yeah but someone may like the ghost psychic more than the other option

[jade ocean]

But kinda decent in the right offensive combos, yet constantly just outdone by other types

[vast fossil]

Its all about what a person likes at the end of the day

[full hatch]

I mean, good against Grass, Psychic and Dark.

[vast fossil]

I respect people who use what they like in competitive than just the bog standard pokemon

[jade ocean]

I mean if it's all about making a type work then sure fuck it I can make a Scyther work so Bug/Flying is good

[vast fossil]

Because you have to make it work and have to think harder for it

[jade ocean]

But at the end of the day, some types have to be the worst and some have to be the best

Unfortunately, Bug and Psychic are the worst in this scenario

[vast fossil]

Balance is a hell of a thing sadly

[jade ocean]

Which sucks because a lot of my favourite Pokemon are either Bug or Psychic type

Lunala? Psychic type

[slender cradle]

yeah not so achievable

[jade ocean]

Volcarona? Bug type

Latios? Psychic type

Shoutouts to Latios' Psychic Type serving the primary purpose of making Ttar hard-counter it

[vast fossil]

Latios was used alot back in gen.. 5 right?

[jade ocean]

Yup

[spare roost]

I cannot wait for the water starter to become the furry-bait for Gen 10

[vast fossil]

Oh i realize why it got booted. Fairys

[jade ocean]

And Gen 6, and Gen 7

[vast fossil]

Oh it didn't get booted

[jade ocean]

And then it worked well in Gen 8 and 9 UU

It's currently the number 1 Pokemon in Gen 9 UU last I checked

Also was a top tier Ubers mon in Gens 3, 4, 5 and 6

And then they nerfed Soul Dew

So now life sucks

[nimble basin]

durr six seven

[vast fossil]

Right the soul dew got nerfed.

I forgot about that

I never really payed much attention to that scene but I've watched videos

[jade ocean]

Fairy wasn't quite the "autokill every Dragon ever" that some think it is

Nor was it directly targeted towards Hydreigon

Hydreigon was most certainly not even close to the best Dragon Type in Gen 5

It merely just happened to be the one with 2 types weak to Fairy

[vast fossil]

Lol I never really believed that either but often times if a dragon fell off it was not helped by fairy types existing

[spare roost]

I'll laugh if we get the evil team and they're Earth/Fire based

Dual evil teams returning in gen 10 /spec

[jade ocean]

Oh right Winds and Waves

Anyways

The evil team being Earth/Fire based would be so fucking funny

They should do it

[vast fossil]

I looked into Indonesia gods and stuff. They seem to have quite a few cultures that have different legends

They do have a couple of sea goddesses

But we will see how they handle this

[spare roost]

it would be so funny if the wind god was a giant squirrel

[robust wren]

I just hope the Legends are different types than Dragon or Psychic

[vast fossil]

They gotta be flying and water tho

Because winds and waves? What else could the box legends be

[robust wren]

I also hope that winds and waves aren't the Legends only theme and they get something else to define them separate from Rayquaza and Kyogre

[viscid adder]

my brain when I first saw Browt:

[spare roost]

I just hope the Pseudo is not another dragon type

[vast fossil]

Tho pombon may be hard mode because islands

But we saw alot of grass types in the trailer so maybe it won't be too bad

[robust wren]

Real. Give us a Fairy Pseudo or something new

[vast fossil]

One starter is always gonna be abit more difficult to use against the gym challenge or whatever it'll be this time round

[robust wren]

My first thought when I saw Browt was "Angry Birds movie designs."

[vast fossil]

I wonder if they'll go the alola route with them having something else instead

[vast fossil]

Not even gonna acknowledge that

[spare roost]

Pokemon found in Wind-Waves.
Oddish-Gloom
Tropius
Lumineon
Wailmer-Wailord
Wingull
Slugma
Duskull
Tailow
Nymble
Tangela
Ledyba-Ledian
Sizzlipede
Pikachu
Krabby
Sandygast
Corsola
Mareanie
Tympole
Carnivine
Frillish
Tynamo

[robust wren]

Just completely ignoring the genuinely good graphics the trailer showed

[vast fossil]

Or the fact that Nintendo would be a better company in regards of time put into development

[spare roost]

i for one am going to ignore the graphics because

ScarVio looked "good" and then it ran like molasses when it came out

[kindred fiber]

After a little bit of time I think the bird is good

[vast fossil]

Eh I only really struggled in the water and that single town that was slow as hell for somereason

[untold hawk]

ScarVio never looked good to me, this looks more promising though! Especially the underwater from the trailer.

[vast fossil]

I blame the windmills

I don't know what about them made that single town cursed but it made it cursed

We will be able to dive again it seems

[spare roost]

also, we know the trailers come from in-house dev engines, insead of camera shots from actual hardware

[robust wren]

More deep sea Pokémon would be hype. Such an incredible breadth of inspiration to be had from deep sea creatures

[vast fossil]

This was pointed out to me but I think its important. Pokemon trailers are always surprisingly accurate despite the disclaimer.

[lime void]

Friendly reminder that the box art legendary for Pokémon Sun isn’t a fire type

[velvet forum]

Why are people yapping about the graphics already when scvi looked amazing at reveal and look what we got now

[vast fossil]

Scvi did not look good.

[velvet forum]

It did in the trailer

[vast fossil]

I love them too deaf but I will not deny it did not look very pretty

[lime void]

Cause people are stupid and care more about graphics then gameplay

[vast fossil]

Only the pokemon looked good

[spare roost]

it looked "good" compared to what we saw from SwSh

like how WiWa looks "amazing" compared to ScaVio

[velvet forum]

The best graphics we’ve seen overall are from PLA

PLZA has the best textures/graphics for pokemon so far tho

Like thw actual models

[vast fossil]

I prefer gameplay. Its why I liked scvi.

[velvet forum]

Im excited to see what will happen with the underwater portion of this game

[vast fossil]

I just can acknowledge the surroundings weren't very well done. But I was happy with the pokemons texture update

[vocal charm]

🫵

[vast fossil]

They showed a live murder attempt there lol

[jade ocean]

Why is Mareanie upside-down

[velvet forum]

Obviously in every trailer graphics are upscaled

[vocal charm]

that's what i was asking
that how she walks, then?

[vast fossil]

attempted of murder of a corsola

[velvet forum]

no

[jade ocean]

I'm pretty sure it just walks right side up

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-wynaut-happy-jump-gif-17071241

[velvet forum]

It walks right side u

it must just be a animation

[vast fossil]

It was trying to kill a corsola

[velvet forum]

Maybe we get a mareanie evolution?!

[jade ocean]

How do we tell 'em?

[lime void]

Mareanie already has an evolution

[vast fossil]

Ooh imagine if pokemon attack other pokemon in the game.

[lime void]

https://tenor.com/view/pokemon-toxapex-sun-and-moon-gif-1304421876848265826

[velvet forum]

i mean the other thing

[lime void]

What other thing?

[vast fossil]

Actually no that sounds like hell for shiny hunting

[velvet forum]

i didnt even think about the fact we are gettinf a whole new gen of mons, new bird new bug, new regional variants and convergent evolutions

[velvet forum]

that thing

maybe it gets a evo

[lime void]

It already has an evo

[brazen jetty]

mareanie is back again

but this time i dont think its as big a deal they already nerfed toxapex into the ground

[velvet forum]

PLEASE LET US GET DURANT AND HEATMOR EVOS

[vocal charm]

you mean regional?
🤔 i also noticed no new pokemon reveals save for the starters

[velvet forum]

A THIRD EVO BRUH

[velvet forum]

or convergent evolution

[little nacelle]

GAMEFREAK when they don't have to reference a previous artstyle
GAMEFREAK when they have to adhere to a artstyle

[vast fossil]

I wonder on how often we'll get updates on the game?

[lime void]

So you want Toxapex to evolve

[jade ocean]

Would be very funny

[velvet forum]

Yeah why not

[brazen jetty]

EVIOLITE TOXAPEX

[little nacelle]

like be VERY serious with me

[vast fossil]

Oh god

[jade ocean]

We boutta get into more Eviolite vs HDB debates with this one

[vast fossil]

That sounds horrible. How about a split evo for mareanie instead

[velvet forum]

Bro this new group of starters makes gen 8’s group look good 🥀

[jade ocean]

All I'm gonna say is

[spare roost]

let me double check ScaVio's 1st trailer

[brazen jetty]

anyways as for the starters

I dont like them

[jade ocean]

If Eviolite Chansey is worse than HDB Blissey

[vocal charm]

🤔 my first reaction to the starters is aren't rowlet and sobble already browt and gecqua?

[spare roost]

and see if any pokemon that show up there gets regionals/convergants/etc

[velvet forum]

i like only the lizard already

[jade ocean]

Eviolite Toxapex would be worse than its evo with HDB

[vast fossil]

Browt is not an owl

[vocal charm]

same here

[brazen jetty]

yeah the lizard is the best one imo

[velvet forum]

The dog is so ugly dude why do people like it

[vast fossil]

And gequa is not a salamder

[spare roost]

Its cute

[vocal charm]

pomeranian

[lime void]

Why are we throwing shade on the starters

[velvet forum]

it isnt

[lime void]

They’re great

[brazen jetty]

gequa is a bad name tho but like whatever

[little nacelle]

like. this looks very out of place, doesn't it?

[velvet forum]

no they arent

[velvet forum]

no

[coarse drift]

https://tenor.com/view/its-so-fluffy-gif-5749188

[vocal charm]

gecqua is better than browt

[velvet forum]

gecko+aqua

[little nacelle]

very realistic place and then you have this smooth guy

[velvet forum]

Gecqua

[brazen jetty]

what even is the pun in that name

[velvet forum]

read what i said

is brow like

[spare roost]

imagine if this is what Pombom evolves into

[vocal charm]

browt, not gecqua

[velvet forum]

brown somethin?

[velvet forum]

it wont

[vast fossil]

Brow like the top of your eyes?

And I think tweet

[brazen jetty]

all 3 starter names have already been registered on pokemon showdown 😔

[jade ocean]

Brow probably stands for eyebrow, it has pretty prominent ones

[spare roost]

Browt = Bird Sprout

[velvet forum]

yeah but its a coffee chick

so maybe brown

[vocal charm]

coffee?

[velvet forum]

thats what it says on the website

[vast fossil]

Bean doesnt mean coffee

It can mean alot of different plants

[jade ocean]

The -ow could stand for owl, or fowl

[velvet forum]

its a coffee bean

its tropical

[spare roost]

Someone pointed out its eyebrows looks like it could be used for painting... so it could become a painting/caligrapher

[velvet forum]

what other beans grow in tropical areas

[brazen jetty]

but it isnt brown

[jade ocean]

T as multiple have pointed out could stand for tweet or sprout

[vocal charm]

sprout i can see

[vast fossil]

Alot of beans can be tropical

[brazen jetty]

bulbapedia is too fast

[velvet forum]

Its definitely south american they got new pikachus with flower designed clothing and they just added brazillian and portuguese as language options for the game

[jade ocean]

Pombon I interpreted as Pomeranian + Bonfire

[velvet forum]

it isnt indonesia like people say

[vast fossil]

I forgot chickpeas exist!

[vocal charm]

that art is way cuter than the model???

[vast fossil]

Its Indonesia.

[velvet forum]

no it isn

[spare roost]

apparently greece inspo

[velvet forum]

Looks nothing like indonesia

[brazen jetty]

so whos spriting the starters first

[vast fossil]

The leaks as much as I hate them have been correct so far so its clear that its Indonesia

[lime void]

Y’all just wait for the region to be announced

[velvet forum]

oh that person blocked me lol

[jade ocean]

I feel like flower designed clothing is more of a tropical thing

[supple bone]

Unless the final evos change my mind this will be the 2nd generation ever I pick the fire starter for my first playthrough

[velvet forum]

which is in south america

[rotund edge]

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[lime void]

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[rotund edge]

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[indigo mango]

i dunno why another ||water lizard tho. could have completed it with lizard starters by doing grass, water and fire..not grass, water, water||

[velvet forum]

ouuu someone broke a rulleee

[lime void]

Ignore this I fat fingered the 8

[vast fossil]

I was so confused

[vocal charm]

i just wanted to check the new starters' official art

[velvet forum]

Anyways south america ftw

its definitely the galapagos!

[vast fossil]

I still think its Indonesia even so.

[finite totem]

I feel like this is not a new region

[velvet forum]

it is

[finite totem]

I think it can be a new gen alola

[velvet forum]

No

[vast fossil]

Mostly because I don't want a another region similar to paldea and Spain has alot of influence still in south american lingering if I recall correctly

[vocal charm]

oh wait didn't someone say it was the 10th anniversary of-
ah okay i see 🤦

[velvet forum]

Asia has had more than enough representation in pokemon

[vast fossil]

I really don't think its alola again

[jade ocean]

Hm fair enough, though tbf a lot of Asia including Indo are also tropical and you could probably associate floral patterned clothing with

[velvet forum]

Its south america dude

[finite totem]

Just Japan do

[velvet forum]

No?

[jade ocean]

Also the volcanic area also reminds me of Indo

[finite totem]

Literally all regions are based of US, Europe and Japan.

[jade ocean]

Indonesia's pretty well known for those, no?

[brazen jetty]

south america, africa and oceania dont have any regions right?

[velvet forum]

every island area in the world has a volcano…?

[jade ocean]

Also, Japan is the only country in Asia with Pokemon representation

[velvet forum]

yup

[vast fossil]

Yeah we don't really have Asian stuff besides based on Japan huh?

[velvet forum]

NOW THEY DO

wooohooo

[spare roost]

believe it or not, that is how most islands are formed

[jade ocean]

Yeah but Indonesia's probably the one that people think of the most when thinking volcanos

[velvet forum]

No

hawaii is

[jade ocean]

I mean it's probably the country I associate most with volcanos

[velvet forum]

or sicily

[finite totem]

Same tbh

[jade ocean]

Maybe that's because I live in Asia though idk

[velvet forum]

When i think volcanoes i think hawaii

[vast fossil]

It has 101 holocene volacanos apparently

[vocal charm]

why not Vesuvius?
one of the most famous volcanoes in the world

[velvet forum]

Never heard of it

[vast fossil]

I don't think haiwaii besides being formed by volacanos has alot of volacanos

[velvet forum]

Its definitely more associated with volcanoes

u think hawaii instantly when volcanoes comes to mind

[vocal charm]

the one that buried Pompeii?

[velvet forum]

Maybe its bc im american but

[jade ocean]

Well I think Indonesia so like no

[velvet forum]

I dont think indonesia instantly

[lime void]

All right, let’s settle this

[vast fossil]

Im also American. When I think volcanoes i think Pompeii and greece

[jade ocean]

Hawaii is probably the 2nd place I'd think of though

[jade ocean]

Pompeii makes a lot of sense too

[velvet forum]

It wouldnt be greece

pompeii maybe

[finite totem]

How do y'all not think of Italy indeed 😭

[velvet forum]

i think of italy

it would be cool if somebow it was sicily

[jade ocean]

I mean Indo has a metric fuckload of volcanoes though tbf

[vast fossil]

Volacanos are more just islands in general rather than haiwaii and Indonesia

[vocal charm]

Vesuvius

[velvet forum]

wait hold up.

IT COULD 100% be sicily

[vast fossil]

I only know that name because of azurehowl

[velvet forum]

and the surrounding islands

[vast fossil]

We just had a Italy adjacent region

Paldea had a few Italian references

Fidough im looking at you

[jade ocean]

But yeah the trailer gives a lot of Indonesia vibes to me

[vast fossil]

Its gonna be some sort of island stuff. Which is why I don't think south america. Thats a continent

[coarse drift]

We already HAD a Hawaiian influence in Alola

[finite totem]

I still think it just is Alola 2

[vast fossil]

Yeah and the area is too lush to be Australia. So its gotta be a more tropical island

[brazen jetty]

I'm betting the water starter will become part ghost type

[jade ocean]

Is it because we already have a Fire/Ghost and Grass/Ghost?

[finite totem]

Buildings we seen (windmill) feel both European and tropic

[vast fossil]

Tho pomeranians are polish/German apparently so no clues there